A good woman

Feminism has nearly destroyed the historical concept of what a woman should be for her benefit and her societies.  It has lied to women and told them that sexual gratification, and becoming like men is the end they should be pursuing  It lies and tells them their bodies are their own and that they have the right to murder babies they carelessly and haphazardly conceive.  It lies and tells them that they need to become worker drones and that their financial security and not having children is their main priority.  Society and flawed men then lie to women and tell them their bodies are what is to be worshipped and that their value lies in their physical beauty.  Intellectual pursuits by women are discouraged and are considered by many men to be threatening and unimportant.  So, unsurprisingly, women are more depressed in America today than ever before in our history.  So what should a woman be like?


In America, we have freedom, so every human can be what they wish.  But there are moral laws that rule us all,and we all bear the consequences, whether we choose to learn and follow them, whether we are ignorant of them, or whether we know them and deliberately disobey them.  Women were created to be men's help mates.  No amount of sniffing and scorning by the pagans and heathens on here is going to change this fact.  Many heathen men try to use this law and pervert it.  They take a women's desire to please and her need for security, and they recommend her to become a prostitute.  When a woman is financially and emotionally vulnerable, she is susceptible to this.  The less a woman knows of history and of true love and God, the more likely she is to end up in an abusive relationship.  A woman who truly knows God's love rarely ever subjects herself to an abusive situation.  A true woman realizes her worth is not in her beauty, but rather in her obedience to God.   Her worth is in loving and caring for a husband, it is for caring for her children, and it is for being a virtuous woman.  


A true woman is a hard worker.  She strives to support herself if she is not married, and she strives to help the helpless in society as well, a la Mother Teresa, Florence Nightingale, and the millions of other selfless women who realized true joy is not in obtaining material things, not in taking vacation, not in having countless sexual liaisons, but rather, it is in serving the unfortunate.  


Little girls are fed lies all through their childhoods.  Television teaches the little 7 year old girl that if she only wears risque clothing, and if she flirts and sleeps with powerful men, she will have all the attention, affection, and money she will ever want.  That is a huge lie, and with this lie the women in our society are sexualized.  This lie leads to many women being unhappy and miserable.  They don't understand why they are so unhappy, not realizing that every time you sleep with someone you are not married to, your heart is torn apart.  The same applies to men.   Many, instead of finding the cause of their misery, and remedying it by not engaging in the destructive behavior that led to it, simply resort to feeling worthless and fall deeper into the liaisons that led to the misery in the first place, in a vicious cycle that never ends well.


A woman who is married should try to please her husband.  Of course, the man should be worthy of respect and pleasing as well.  When a woman reveres and respects her husband and treats him like her King, he generally responds by treating her as a Queen and showering her with the love and attention women crave and adore.   I've found it to be true that women give sex to get love and men give love to get sex.  This is perfectly designed to keep a marriage ever exciting and never dull.  Of course, a married couple should always strive to keep learning so as never to be dull and static.  Since the mind is the most powerful sex organ in the body, when the mind wastes away and becomes stagnant through lack of use, the marriage will grow loveless.  When there is no love in the marriage, there will be love outside the marriage.


If she has children, she should love them first by loving her spouse, but second by giving herself selflessly for them.  A child's view of the world is shaped by their interactions with their parents.  A child who is neglected or abused in childhood is much more likely to have a bad life later on, because they begin to view the world as the parents who mistreated them.  They become bitter and hurt, and hurt people  hurt people.  They don't realize their negative view of people is shaped by their own negative experiences that they needed to forgive.  A woman should not look to a man, to the world, to her children, or anyone else for her joy.  It should come only from God.  A woman who looks for joy in any other place is always going to be disappointed.  The reader can note the behavior of the women on WB and it tells a story.  The women who are Christian and positive and upbeat are a a lot more agreeable and joyful to be around than the women who are not Christian.  Notice the behavior of the women who are not Christian and see how they are crabby, cantankerous, and like the woman that Solomon mentioned in Proverbs, where he said, "it's better to live in the corner of a housetop than around a brawling woman".  Writers Beat has it's share of brawling women, and it's no fun to be around them.  If America is not careful, we are going to elect a brawling woman to our Presidency.   No woman can be harmed by asking herself, "Am I a brawling woman"?


A good woman realizes, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world".  A good woman adores and desires to have children.  A mediocre woman thinks of children as a burden and as interruptions to her pursuit of pleasure.  Mediocre men think of children as burdens as well.  A good woman makes her children realize that they mean the world to her and they are treasures.  Yet, she disciplines them when they misbehave for their own good.   She is in control of herself and her home.  When her husband leaves, she rules according to his will, and she ensures her children respect their father.  She shows her children how to love their father by loving him herself.  Just as her husband honors her in their presence, she honors him.  


A good woman has courage.  She does not shrink from conflict when her principles are at stake.  She has principles that are wise and sound, and she upholds them at whatever cost to herself she has to endure.  A good woman is virtuous, intelligent, and maintains herself.  A good woman does not just let her body go and then snort that her husband has problems because they can't accept her as she is.   A good woman realizes the body is a temple, and since it houses her beautiful soul, she wants the house to be beautiful too.  


A good woman does not stray in a marriage, nor does she sleep around before it.  She realizes that love, when confined to marriage is like a fire in a fireplace, bringing joy and comfort to all who see it, but when love is outside of a marriage, it is like a wildfire, spreading devastation to all who come in contact with it.  She also realizes good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement.  She realizes whatever her past faults were, they were only to give her right values today.  


A good woman realizes her thoughts are things, and so every day she strives to fill the paradise of her mind with beautiful thoughts, and to weed out the bad thoughts that occur to all of us effortlessly.  She realizes her mind is a garden, and it is up to her to allow weeds to grow by neglect, or to create the loveliest heaven by carefully tending to her mind.  A good woman does not watch television or movies, nor does she use the female version of pornography, romance novels.  A good woman devotes herself to God and to serving her husband, children, or her job if she is not married.  


Women often get their guidance from their fathers. America has had generation of unfit fathers, and so many women have received patterns of men from their fathers that were faulty.  By going back to what women made this country, and examining their patterns, we can MAGA.  Make America Great Again.


Thank you, Ciao,





Billy Roper Added Oct 30, 2016 - 3:20pm
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Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 3:31pm
Thank you Billy, I'm dismayed to see Judy Blume on the list.  Really loved her Ramona Quimby Age 8 books, and her books about Henry and Ralph T. Mouse, and her sister Beezus.  
Are these the Jewish Feminists?  There are feminists of all races.  I'm not surprised to see a white supremacist is so well acquainted with the Jewish feminists.
Billy Roper Added Oct 30, 2016 - 3:37pm
Ryan, I don't believe I listed anything about their race. It's just a list of feminists. Wow. I can't  believe you went there. Anyway....SMH.....Can you think of any prominent feminists you know of whom I didn't mention? I might have missed some. Here's an article about Judy Blume's feminism:
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 3:43pm
I scanned the names and I saw a huge majority were Jewish, but if this was not your aim or intention, I apologize.  I'm sure you can understand how I might suspect something like that.  However, I have been wrong before, and am not ashamed to admit when I am. Thank you for the link on Judy Blume.
Billy Roper Added Oct 30, 2016 - 3:52pm
I'll have to go back and look at the list of names of the most prominent feminists above again, and see if they are all Jewish, or not. If they are, then it may be that you were right, after all.
Billy Roper Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:21pm
Jeff, are you saying that all of the prominent feminists which I listed above are Jewish? I'd have to do some more research before I could confirm that. How do you feel about feminism, in general?
Billy Roper Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:31pm
LOL @ Michael, that was a funny story.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:36pm
I feel like I am reading Twain again after I read your descriptions of humans Michael. LOL.  You really do use Rudyard Kiplings Six Honest Serving Men.   
James E. Unekis Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:37pm
You are a brave soul treading on feminism and supporting the biblical role of the woman.  Still I agree with you.  Radical feminists have hurt many innocent women by redefining what feminism is.
The shame is that the good, honest, caring, gentle and loving men are fleeing relationships because they crave true femininity and can no longer find it.
Billy Roper Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:43pm
I will say this, in defense of women in general. It's something that I tell guys all of the time when they complain about women. If men want women to behave in a natural, healthy, traditional, psychologically sound manner, and be honorable and respectful and monogamous and loyal, then we men bear the responsibility of behaving like natural, healthy, traditional, psychologically sound men should act. Women are attracted to Alpha males, to winners. If we step off the sidewalk for others, like we're defeated and conquered, if we look down at the ground and smile nervously, and act pleased to be cucked, then we can't be surprised that women don't respect us.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:46pm
Thank you James. Women have been too badly harmed by feminism to stay silent any longer.  I'm sick of seeing women torn apart by unrealistic expectations and then they turn out miserable and hateful like some of the women on here.  
Very true, James about men fleeing.  I think if men practice celibacy outside of marriage, and continency within it, and refuse to view porn, while building themselves up to be able to financially take care of a woman, we'll return to the stable society America used to be.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:47pm
I agree, Billy. My next article will be on a good man.  Women have a much more difficult time fitting into her God given role, when the man is not the powerful figure God designed him to be.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:59pm
That is a special gift.  Many great writers take ordinary circumstances and great extraordinary stories.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 4:59pm
Thomas Sutrina Added Oct 30, 2016 - 6:09pm
Most of the good women I Know have ignored feminism at least not talked about it to there husbands.  I am sure they do talk about it but it is in the doing that things count.  I do not see much doing beyond the desire to better their lives and the ones they love.  So the feminist have support for equal pay and the right to vote and free choice of the people they love and marry or choose not to marry.  The things that agree with the bodies natural signals are winning feminist issues.  Those that are not will likely not win.
We keep forgetting that the DNA and the chemicals released by our body is  program that has taken thousands of years to reach this point and our brains can not change the signals that are created by this biological machine we call our bodies.  We can over ride the body signals only with conscious thinking.  Stop for one second and the body natural program kicks in.  So the feminist are fighting a loosing battle when they go against the biological directives. 
So yes women can consciously get an abortion.  But it take a lot of thinking against the biologic signals being sent to do it.    Medical science have shown that our biologic signals are not perfect and we find people going against the majority of human responses but if you look at the numbers we are talking of a small percent.  The farther off the median the lower the numbers until we get to the long tail responses. 
One of our biological signals is that man is a social being and survival requires acting in combination with others. so ISIS and other groups like the feminist can use this to achieve success but they need sufficient numbers or fraction of society to be in the human mind "society."    This is why totalitarian government survive as long as they do.  They become society.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 6:23pm
Scary thought Thomas, they have to keep brainwashing themselves to get rid of their natures.  
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 8:09pm
If you persevered in finding the truth and practicing it, Jeff, as you do on making a nuisance of yourself on my thread, you'd be invincible.
Dawn Foss Added Oct 30, 2016 - 8:48pm
Great article, Ryan!  I do wish women would see their value through God's eyes, and not the world's.  Women are beautiful, and have that God-given instinct to care for others, multi-task, and basically make the world go round! I'm so glad God made me a woman.  I like to embrace my femininity, and yet have strength and intelligence to make a difference in this world.
One thing I have to disagree with tho, is that abuse can come to even a God-fearing woman.  But you're right; she will know her worth and not fall under that oppression of low self esteem, but will be hurt nonetheless.  You can't make someone be nice to you, but you can cope through it.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 8:55pm
Thank you Dawn!!  The woman was created last, and she is the greatest of all God's creations.  Matthew Henry said it so beautifully in his commentaries, "
The woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved"
It can, you are right.  I bet Abigail's husband Nabal was abusive to her before he passed away and married David.  
Patrick Writes Added Oct 30, 2016 - 9:42pm
I understand 80% of divorces in the U.S. are initiated by women. Is it fair to say a woman's expectations of marriage and it's realities are not aligned in many cases? Why is this?
(Useful to note: while half of marriages are projected to end in divorce, something like less than 20% of FIRST marriages do, the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th marriers skew the data to appear more depressing than it really is.)
Even still, going with the same point, what's wrong with married women wanting to get out of their marriages? There is the obvious (and real) factor that a man is not naturally inclined to do a lot of housework or jump into childcare duties. So with the societal expectation for a woman to work fulltime these days. She also has to be the primary housekeeper and childgiver. So marriage for her can be an exhausting choice. 
Finally, in my own experience, I hear that a complaint of a wife is that her husband "is not meeting her emotional needs" or even more silly a husband "it not making her happy".
Ryan Messano Added Oct 30, 2016 - 9:54pm
Amen, Patrick.  
Not really a man's job to make his wife happy.  She ought to be a whole woman before marriage.  I was on dating websites and the women are insistent they want a man who can make them laugh.  Guess they want a court jester.  It's pathetic what men have been reduced to these days.  Women have often had such terrible father figures a lot of them have no idea what to look for. 
The way it worked 100 years ago was you got married, and it was for life.  The only way out was via adultery, in which case the offending spouse was never free to remarry, or death.  
Dawn Foss Added Oct 30, 2016 - 10:22pm
Ryan, I have heard that quote by Matthew Henry, and I like it.  It's so true.  Patrick, that's interesting about the skewed data; I didn't realize that.  But it makes sense.  If you divorce because you are dissatisfied with your spouse's ability to make you happy, the problem is probably with you and not the other person so much.  Problems have a way of following a person into other relationships.
I agree; we each have to find our own happiness.  But we will want to make the other one happy when we love each other. But it can't be demanded.  Emotional health begins by seeking God for true contentment.  Then we'll have peace and joy in any circumstance.  When we are healthy ourselves, we are in a much better place to serve others.  A husband and a wife who look out for the other's best interests will be happy indeed because true joy comes from giving, not receiving.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 1:01am
So true about contentment Dawn.  Marriage is for two whole,not two halves trying to become whole.
Patrick Writes Added Oct 31, 2016 - 3:50am
Dawn Foss Added Oct 31, 2016 - 8:29am
Michael, that link doesn't come up.  It comes to a Frontier site and generic youtube.com links.  Is it just me having trouble, or could the code be off?
Dawn Foss Added Oct 31, 2016 - 8:33am
The problem is that many people start out whole and healthy, and over time they get sick, mentally and/or physically, external and internal factors play a role, but the key is stick-to-itiveness, i.e. commitment.  I hear what you are saying, Jeanne, and Patrick, if that's true, that is truly a change.  People like to run when things get tough or that fairy tale romance is gone and now you're dealing with real problems, which will inevitably come.  But the key is to be committed to that person until death do us part, with rare exceptions, but if both people put themselves aside and work on the marriage, work on the problems, and work hard to make the best life you can have under the circumstances, there would be a lot more joy and stable marriages. I see the elderly just shake their heads at this generation when I talk to patients celebrating their 50th anniversary or longer. 
Billy Roper Added Oct 31, 2016 - 11:40am
I have to apologize, I was feeling a little guilty being distracted like so many other people are with the election and some of my friends dropping off the grid in preparation that I hadn't done my due diligence to look into Ryan's assertion that all of the prominent feminists listed in the beginning comments of this discussion are Jewish. Or, were Jewish, as some of them have passed away. As it turns out, I looked into it this morning, and Ryan was right.
Dale Murrish Added Oct 31, 2016 - 1:06pm
Most of your article is right on the money, Ryan!, However,
"A good woman does not watch TOO MUCH television or INAPPROPRIATE movies, nor does she use the female version of pornography, romance novels.  (TOO MANY BETTER THINGS TO READ). A good woman devotes herself to God and to PRIMARILY serving her husband, children, or her job if she is not married.  "
My comments in bold to make them stand out, not to shout. 
The Proverbs 31 woman worked outside the home. Other married women in the Bible also set the standard for modern women. Women today have the freedom to decide what's best for themselves and their families. There is much freedom regarding careers, especially when there are no longer small children to care for. 
You might want to read my article "Should Christians Vote?" and comment on it. Especially on whether theological training is OK, since I think you were disparaged in the comments. 
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 1:42pm
I appreciate all those who believe in free speech.  Unfortunately, it wasn't designed for serial liars.  Jeff Michka is a serial liar and has no intention of changing,and so his views are not welcome on my thread.  Once he admits his many lies, he is welcome to comment. Until then, he can find a playground where people appreciate his lies, because this is not that playground.  
Billy Roper Added Oct 31, 2016 - 1:49pm
Jeanne...LOL. Shall a leopard change his spots?
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 1:50pm
Jeanne, what is wrong with you.  Not sure why you don't realize your subjective experience is not even close to the truth, and truth is often found without experiencing it. 
I did say men were at fault for much as well, and that the next article is going to be on men.  The above article was a standard on what women ought to be, and if she is close to God, nothing that happens to her will bother her.  It's not the states jobs to provide for women and children, it is societies and churches, not our government.  
You attack men who aren't responsible, but you won't attack the underlying problem of porn which is responsible for 58% of divorces.  Wonder why that is.  
That's good you raised 2 kids on your own, but does that mean you have more authority to talk with your one person experience than someone who has learned of literally thousands of single mothers raising their children?  Do you not understand knowledge and wisdom can be obtained vicariously?  You seem to think its a virtue to learn things by doing them, but "a wise man learns from others mistakes, a foolish man has to learn from his own".  But you despise those who don't have their own experience to rely upon, and totally forget that wise people don't learn from their own experiences.  They don't need to.  None of us has enough time in our lives to learn from all our own mistakes.  We need to learn from others at some point.
Feminism is a cancer, but men have their own issues too, and that is going to be addressed.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 2:04pm
I agree with Dawn and Patrick.
Jeanne, I'm sorry to hear of your husbands drug abuse.  But the thing about marriage that is not done today, is both parties should get to know who they are marrying.   A person who is devoted to God at marriage, rarely leaves that path afterwards.  Going on feelings about a person often leads to disaster.  That said, women's intuition is amazing, and I think it's better than men's.  
Thank you Jeanne, you are so so so so so right!!  It is frustrating, because younger women look for the guys in the clubs and think they are going to reform them, and it rarely works, though it does sometimes.  To find a young woman who is not hard to look at, in church, and not at the club or partying is quite a rare occasion these days.  The young (men and women) think they can party their lives away when young and then get right with God when they grow old.  They can learn a lot from Pinnocchio's trip to Pleasure Island,but they rarely do, and many spend their lives trying to live on Pleasure Island, and don't realize they are beasts.  We have quite a few on here, and I'm not going to mention names.  
I don't want her to be my servant.  I want her to be my partner.  I don't want her to bend her will to mine, but to bend her will to God, who commands a woman to submit to her husband, and for a man to love and take care of his wife.  The happiest women find men who are worth submitting to, and then  they submit to them.  Submitting to a man is a decision a woman makes.   A woman will always fight for control, but a wise man who is worthy of respect demands respect, and never has to fight for it.  He finds a woman who loves God and acknowledges her place, and they have happy marriages, because they aren't constantly fighting over who is in charge.  Men are to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.  Women are to obey and respect their husbands.  
I am not getting a pre nup.  Reminds me of a general who landed his men on a foreign countries shores, and told them to burn their boats.  "But", they said, "If we do we will have no way back home"?  "You are right", he said, "That means you must win", and they did win.  
Marriage is a supreme commitment.  If both parties are not submitted to God it is far less enjoyable than if they were.
I just went on a date Friday night and on Saturday morning.  I'm pretty sure I met my match on Saturday Morning.  She has beauty, brains, and virtue.  
Also, she is genuinely happy without a man, and doesn't rely on a man to make her happy.  She is the definition of Proverbs 31, and she is beautiful to top it off.  A wise man looks through Gods words when he views a woman.  A foolish man just looks to see if she says nice things and looks beautiful.  A great woman is not just beautiful and does not just say nice things to build a man up.
When I saw and listened to her for two hours, I asked her to marry me, and she asked me to kiss her.  So I did.  I'm going to John Muir Woods to watch the sunrise with her on Saturday, and I'm pretty sure I will be married to her, God willing, within 2 months.  
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 2:05pm
LOL, why am I not shocked Billy.
Billy Roper Added Oct 31, 2016 - 2:12pm
Ryan, I hope that it works out for you, but no matter what the future holds, remember the good feelings of this time, they will carry you through times of frustration in the future. If you want some unsolicited free advice from someone who has a LOT of experience with marriage(s), try forbearance. If you don't feel the need to respond to or defend against every crazy thing a woman says, five minutes later they will have miraculously changed their tune and forgotten all about it.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 2:16pm
Thank you Dale, the Proverbs 31 woman was industrious while raising children, but her job did not come before her family, as is the case with many women today.  The vast majority of women in America don't realize their priority should be to have and love children, not to work a job.  So while American men and women are dithering on that topic, Muslim Women know their roles and have the highest birthrates of any religion, and so Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth because they produce men who are trained to be men, and women who know their roles.  They follow the Bibles command to "be fruitful and multiply" better than Christians do.  Michael Savage wrote a great article the other day on the emasculation of the American male and how women are not having kids and how that is destroying our nation.  That is what happens when people look to their own concerns and forget "no man is an island".  
As for Jeff, he is up to his customary discord sowing.  He attacked me earlier as not being fit to talk of religious matters because I did not have a theological degree.  So I shot back that neither did Jesus or the apostles, and that many Christians in America with theological degrees are far afield from where the Church was in the time of Christ.  So Jeff turns around, like Iago, and tries to pit us against each other.  He is a clever snake, you have to watch him carefully.  He has decades of creating mischief under his belt.
He already showed he is a liar, so I don't let him comment on my threads.  He follows me all over WB, for what purpose, God alone knows.  He is my Shimei.  
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 5:37pm
That is good Jeanne, but young women today are a little different.
I don't worry about money.  Matter of fact, I'm pretty sure she is worth more than me.  But my decision would be no different than if she had less.  
You already know what I think of relations outside of marriage.  
Love is superior to money, and when a man and a woman love God, money takes its rightful place.  When both parties have priorities of God, family, job, things work out well.  It's when those priorities are out of whack that problems develop.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 6:36pm
Thank you Jeanne:).
Dawn Foss Added Oct 31, 2016 - 6:45pm
Ryan, what you say is true and biblical.  I think it's hard for people who haven't spent years in church alongside Christian couples who have good, strong, loving marital relationships according to the model Jesus taught, to imagine how it is even possible.  I know where Jeanne is coming from, tho, because I've seen that in my family, too.  My parents are divorced, as are my husband's parents, both initiated by the wives, but for reasons they believed were justified when nothing else was working because the men mistreated them.  My mother later in life regretted it, and in her case, her mental illness and medications she was on played a role.  Life can be very rough at times. Keeping God in the center of our universe is a reference point that we can focus on during any trials we go through, and we can find our strength in Him.  He is who has sustained me through all my years so far on this earth, and I'm so grateful for that.
With so much moral corruption all around us, we can't move the line of the ideal.  I see so much compromise occurring in Christians' lives that they become deceived and no longer see the line they are so far from it.  You keep your eye on the truth, and allow those principles God has set forth in His word to govern you.
Congratulations on your date!  She sounds wonderful!   However, remember all the things you have said, and how big a commitment this is.  Please don't rush into marriage.  Get to know her, see her in difficult situations and how she handles them.  Fools rush in and I know you are not a fool.  Let her get to know you, and trust you, and see how you handle situations.  Go into marriage with both eyes wide open.  Feel confident, and then when things get tough along the way, and they inevitably will (not necessarily in your relationship but in life), you will have confidence that you are in the center of God's will and married the one God has for you.  Just my two cents!  Congratulations again!
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 7:26pm
Yes, Dawn, amen! Those who were never shown the wisdom the Bible offers on marriage are not as apt to understand the truths it offers.  But I much prefer to learn from thousands of years of human experience than to have to make my own mistakes.  I've already made many and they were painful.  I prefer to avoid them if I can help it by relying upon God's divine guidance.  Sorry to hear about your parents.  My parents just separated, and I don't really understand it.  They did a marvelous job raising us, and they are both amazing people.  
Reminds me of what Plutarch said when he wrote about Aemilius.
He married Papiria, a daughter of Maso, who was a man of consular dignity, and after he had lived with her a long time he divorced her, although she had made him father of most glorious sons; for she it was who bore him that most illustrious Scipio, and Fabius Maximus.2 No documentary grounds for the divorce have come down to us, but there would seem to be some truth in a story told about divorce, which runs as follows. A Roman once divorced his wife, and when his friends admonished him, saying: "Is she not discreet? is she not beautiful? is she not fruitful?" he held out his shoe (the Romans call it target="princeps">"calceus"), saying: 3 "Is this not handsome? is it not new? but no one of you can tell me where it pinches my foot?" 4 For, as a matter of fact, it is great and notorious faults that separate many wives from their husbands; but the slight and frequent frictions arising from some unpleasantness or incongruity of characters, unnoticed as they may be by everybody else, also produce incurable alienations in those whose lives are linked together.
I rely upon Psalms 27:10 "When my father and my mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up."
You are right about not compromising.  It can be so hard, but it is so worth it.  I've seen the misery that compromise brings and it is no fun.  
Thank you Dawn!  What really drew me to her was she has a daughter from her prior marriage.  She sent me a video of her little smiling five year old daughter reciting bible verses from memory.  That was too powerful for me to resist.  I love children, and a child who is taught God's word is such a beautiful thing to watch.  
Also, I've been around a lot of beautiful women, but she absolutely radiated joy.  And it wasn't dependent on things around her, she was sincerely content being single.  She didn't need a man, her happiness was not dependent on someone else.  Her joy was her own.  Nehemiah said, "The joy of the Lord is your strength".  A woman like that is powerful.  
I'm not rushing in, but when you wait years and you pray, eventually when you see the answer, you know it.  Additionally she is the oldest of nine children from a very happy family.  I'm the eldest of 18.  We both are very family oriented.  
Not only was she raised in a similar church environment as I was, she also is an independent businesswoman, who is very successful.  In addition to being very knowledgeable of the Bible, she knows my favorite authors.  Victor Hugo, Dumas, Tolstoy.  I can't tell you how much of a delight it was to talk with her for 3 hours. It felt like one minute, it passed so quickly.  It was hilarious because we went to a galleria in a very nice part of Roseville,and they had a water fountain.  The benches surrounding it were intricately carved and quite lovely, and each bench had a scarecrow.  We were both raised very strictly and both of our churches had young couples date with chaperones.  So here we were, and the scarecrow was our chaperone, to make sure things did not get out of hand.  It did a pretty good job.  We were pretty mesmerized by each other, because I totally forgot my orange juice, and she left her scarf.  
I feel pretty confident, because we do have some severe differences on issues, but she was so charming and delightful that our differences did not seem to matter.  She was willing to listen, and to her objections I always said, let us let God judge it, and to that she assented.  I really think a lot of arguments are solved if both parties say, "You don't listen to me, I won't listen to you, let us both listen to God".   
Dawn Foss Added Oct 31, 2016 - 7:26pm
Jeff, don't hold back or anything!  Boy, oh boy.  You are very disrespectful to Ryan. He has every right to post his opinion, and he even backs it up with a moral authority.  You have a right to disagree and he has a right to disagree with you.  Writer Beat was not designed to attack others, but to have open debate and discussions.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 7:32pm
Thank you Dawn, King David offered a good way to deal with people like Jeff.  The patterns never change.  
And when king David came to Bahurim, behold, thence came out a man of the family of the house of Saul, whose name was Shimei, the son of Gera: he came forth, and cursed still as he came.
[6] And he cast stones at David, and at all the servants of king David: and all the people and all the mighty men were on his right hand and on his left.
[7] And thus said Shimei when he cursed, Come out, come out, thou bloody man, and thou man of Belial:
[8] The LORD hath returned upon thee all the blood of the house of Saul, in whose stead thou hast reigned; and the LORD hath delivered the kingdom into the hand of Absalom thy son: and, behold, thou art taken in thy mischief, because thou art a bloody man.
[9] Then said Abishai the son of Zeruiah unto the king, Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? let me go over, I pray thee, and take off his head.
[10] And the king said, What have I to do with you, ye sons of Zeruiah? so let him curse, because the LORD hath said unto him, Curse David. Who shall then say, Wherefore hast thou done so?
[11] And David said to Abishai, and to all his servants, Behold, my son, which came forth of my bowels, seeketh my life: how much more now may this Benjamite do it? let him alone, and let him curse; for the LORD hath bidden him.
[12] It may be that the LORD will look on mine affliction, and that the LORD will requite me good for his cursing this day.
[13] And as David and his men went by the way, Shimei went along on the hill's side over against him, and cursed as he went, and threw stones at him, and cast dust.
Dawn Foss Added Oct 31, 2016 - 7:50pm
Ryan, that is so wonderful!  That does sound like a match made in heaven!  I agree with you - we can and should learn from the mistakes of others.  That's why we learn history in school - not so our teachers can torture us with dates and more dates to memorize (I hated that!), but so we can learn from the good and the bad in history. You're right - the fool will have to try everything himself and learn from the school of hard knocks instead of listening to the counsel of others who have been through it.  That takes humility, and many have too much pride to do so.
That date sounds marvelous - I'm so happy for you both!  You have so much in common, and come from similar backgrounds, and have the common bond of Christ and maturity of years behind you as well.  It's not like two 16 yr. olds meeting for the first time.  And as you said, at this point in your life you know what you are looking for.  Well, congratulations again!  I was so happy to read your post. 
Dawn Foss Added Oct 31, 2016 - 7:53pm
Oh wow!  Yes, Jeff really is your Shimei! LOL!
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 7:55pm
Thank you Dawn!!  It is Godly women like you and the millions of others who give us men so much inspiration and hope for the future of our nation.  
We have to place our duty over our desire, and that should our hearts inspire, yet women like Deborah, Esther, Ruth, Mary, and Elizabeth are great reminders of the path we men have to tread for our own souls sake and our societies.  
Dawn Foss Added Oct 31, 2016 - 8:01pm
Thanks, Ryan!  That's beautifully said.  I wish more men were like you.  I'm glad that you use your voice to speak up, as hopefully that kind of attitude will spread.  Women who have been hurt can appreciate this, too.  Most women want to be respected.  You sound like you are not threatened by the fact that your girlfriend is a strong, independent woman.  A woman can be intelligent and wise and strong and still serve those she loves.  I do that every day as a nurse practitioner.  I serve my patients.  I am there to help them, to care for them, and do everything I can to improve their quality of life.  "How may I serve you?"  Isn't that what they say at Chick Fil-A?  "It's my pleasure."  This servant attitude does not make the "servant" beneath another as far as value, but actually increases their worth and respect.  I honor those who serve me, not trodden them under foot.  Who would do that?  Well, abusive people do that, but they are not the standard.
Ryan Messano Added Oct 31, 2016 - 8:48pm
Welcome, Dawn, and thank you!  I do value an independent woman.  I don't want a woman who always bends to my will.  But I do want us both to bend to God's will.  
Service leads to greatness.  There is no other path:).  But it has to be done to please God, for if done for worldly greatness, it never is eternal, always is temporal.
Dawn Foss Added Oct 31, 2016 - 10:21pm
So true, Ryan.  When you both bend to God's will with humility of spirit, you will always be able to come to peace with your decisions.  And it is good and actually attractive to be able to hold your own, so to speak.  People who are totally needy and can't think critically and calmly about a given situation and are attention seeking and have a dependent attitude can be a real turn off!  LOL!  When we talk about submission and servant attitudes, I think that's what people picture in their minds, and truly, it's the last thing from what we mean!  And on another note, meekness is not weakness, but rather incredible strength!
Sounds so strange about "the last will be first, and the first shall be last," but with eternal values in view, it makes perfect sense.
Ryan Messano Added Nov 1, 2016 - 12:48pm
Never really paid attention to the song before, but I will look at the video as a sign of friendship and accept it in that token Wendy.
It was well made, though I do not condone any implied romanticism.
You are very right, Dawn, meekness is very effective.  Moses was the meekest man, but when it came to right and wrong, he stood where God was and didn't back down.
Dawn Foss Added Nov 1, 2016 - 1:21pm
That is a great passage, Wendy! (or should I call you Bug?)  Thank you for sharing that on this post.  I like this passage because it shows how valuable and virtuous a woman is, and how her hard work is appreciated by her family.  
Favor is deceitful - don't we know that?  How many fickle friends have we all known?  How quickly do people's opinions change of you for making a mistake or disagreeing with you?
Beauty is vain - an ugly person can look beautiful if they are beautiful within, and a beautiful person can look ugly if they are ugly within.  Beauty is also fleeting; as we get older we sag and get fat or bony, balding, and wrinkly!  We get growths on our skin, hair where we don't want it, etc.  You get the picture.  If we rely on our outer beauty for our worth, we are depreciating.  However, when we grow in the beauty inside us, we are appreciating, increasing in value as we grow in wisdom and sincerity over the years.  A woman who fears the Lord, reverences Him and knows the importance of being a respectful person, hard working, loving and caring - she shall be praised, not just by her family, but in her community and those who know her (vs. 31).  "The gates" was the area of town where town officials and leaders hung out to make business deals and communicate.
Thanks for sharing those verses.  It was a great reminder to me.
Ryan Messano Added Nov 1, 2016 - 1:24pm
Yes, that is a wonderful passage, and it is a much better evaluator of a good woman than my passage is.  Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines so I'll admit, he knew women better than me.  
Ryan Messano Added Nov 1, 2016 - 1:38pm
Spoiled brats who don't get their way.  There are many on here well over 40 who are just spoiled brats as well.  
James E. Unekis Added Nov 1, 2016 - 1:38pm
Dawn, Wendy,
How wonderful to see Christian Women supporting Ryan's article. There is no way for a non Christian to interpret love and submission between a husband and wife because it is representative of our relationship with Jesus.   He died for us while we were still sinners because of God's love for us.  He was obedient to the Father to the point of death.  We love GOD and submit to Him because he loved us as we are/were.  Thanks you both for your wonderful comments!
Don't forget Mathew 5:12 as you are attacked.  From the King James "Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."
Ryan Messano Added Nov 1, 2016 - 1:43pm
Yes, it is good to see Dawn and Wendy uphold the beauty of God's design, James,
Excellent verse:)
Dawn Foss Added Nov 1, 2016 - 1:44pm
Amen, James!  Thank you for your comments!  And Matthew 5:12 is a great verse.  You stay strong, Ryan.
I agree, James - marriage was actually designed to reflect the love and relationship between Jesus and His bride, the church.  
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God. Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Ephesians 5:21-27
Ryan Messano Added Nov 1, 2016 - 3:24pm
Perfect, Wendy and Dawn, I was just studying that in the past hour.
Ryan Messano Added Nov 1, 2016 - 6:03pm
Did you or did you not use mind altering drugs, Jeff?
Furthermore, you are a serial liar, as you forget your lies and move on.  I don't.  Since you expertly tried to diagnose my sexuality, and completely failed, you are held accountable.  Too bad your parents didn't to that to you when you were a child.  
Ryan Messano Added Nov 1, 2016 - 6:52pm
What's really pathetic, is you copy your deleted comments to post them again.  The comments are as meaningless as your attempts.
Janie Smith Added Nov 2, 2016 - 12:00pm
I actually agree with most of this but would like to see someone take on the crisis within our male population.  Feminism is not the only fault in the failure of American families. 
Dawn Foss Added Nov 2, 2016 - 12:55pm
Fiorenzo, that is an interesting post. I've always been taught that, too, that the relationship between a girl and her dad are critical.  She will always seek his love and acceptance, and if she doesn't get that, esp. if she doesn't have God the Father in her life and realizes how loved, special and important she is to Him, then she will often end up with the wrong kind of men, and will be hurt.  Many lesbians have been hurt or abused by men as well.
Janie, it sounds like Ryan plans to write an article about the men, too.  You are right - the men need to step up their game and be masculine, strong, providers for their families in not just physical means but in spiritual and emotional needs as well.  We women need to step aside and let them do their thing, too.  I speak to myself on this one; I tend to not trust decisions my husband makes so make them myself.  Sometimes they need to make their mistakes and learn from them, but men should also be wise by listening to the perspective of their wives.  
Families that pray together stay together.  That was a famous saying that was on a lot of plaques that people hung in their homes.  It's so true.  If a couple is seeking the Lord for wisdom and guidance, and looks to His Word for wisdom, so many problems will be solved in a civilized way, and will even take care of themselves at times.  It's when we go our own way, and abuse ourselves with over achieving (and thus not spending time together like we should - that's my big problem), or drugs, alcohol, etc. that we get into serious trouble. Going to a good church together as a family is a wonderful thing, and can bond each other together in a positive way as each is under the preaching and strives to improve self as self-assessment and self-judgment take place.  If we would judge ourselves and make improvements, others won't have to do it so much!  This goes for men and women alike.  Children will do the same thing at church, and will admire mom and dad for also trying to be better, love each other more, and honor God above all else.
Ryan Messano Added Nov 2, 2016 - 6:11pm
Excellent points, Fiorenzo!
It is sobering for me.  Whatever choices I make as a man, when I become a father, if I have a daughter: she will go onto to try and find a man like me.  If I am a good father and love her, she will look for a good and loving husband.  If I am abusive and negligent, there is a good chance she will end up with a negligent and abusive husband.  
The fathers are the clearest image of children of God.  
Those children with Godly loving fathers have a love and regard for God.  Those with pagan fathers who were selfish, have very little regard for God.  These are not always the rule, there are plenty of exceptions.  Its just there is so much family dysfunction its hard for men and women to get an idea of what standard they are to live up to and try to find in a mate.  Also, there is no environment that God cannot deliver someone from.  
You are right, Janie.  I'm going to do an article on men, and will hit them far harder than women.  Men are at the root of the problems in society.  God created the man to lead and be the head, and when he fails, the society will fail.  
Beautiful points Dawn!!!  
Ryan Messano Added Nov 2, 2016 - 8:17pm
LOL, I saw:).
If those two aren't mad with a person, there is something wrong with that person. 
Jeff has been unusually silent.  He copied his comments and tried posting them 10 times on my post yesterday.  Not sure what his point was.  As fast as he posted his lies, I deleted them.  Not like he didn't have a chance to tell the truth.   
James just posted a doozy of delusion.  I suppose he will be deleting with gusto here in a moment.  He tries to lecture us Americans on why we ought to vote for Hillary.
It's pretty frightening that even a child would think of voting for Hillary, but when someone as advanced in years as James does, that is a very serious intellectual blunder.
Ryan Messano Added Nov 2, 2016 - 9:15pm
speaking of the devil...
Ryan Messano Added Nov 2, 2016 - 10:59pm
Yes, he's quite a character, is Mr. Michka.
Typically people his age correct people my age, and its a shame when we have to reverse roles because he is in liberal Neverland and is still 15.
I appreciate that, it's a high honor.
I do others as I would be done by. 
If I acted like some of the liberals on here do, I'd be happy for someone to tell me I am dead wrong.  Not sure why they are not:)
Dawn Foss Added Nov 2, 2016 - 11:01pm
Yes, Ryan - great point.  I wish TV would go back to showing what a good family looks like.  TV producers stopped making shows like "Father Knows Best" and "Leave it to Beaver" and the like because society changed, and they wanted the families on TV to reflect these new types of families.  So "Married With Children" came on as an experiment, and people loved it, people in their sinful flesh.  Work setting sitcom shows came on the rise, as if everyone goes to work to talk dirty and joke around all day.  I think we need more books, movies, and shows that give a good example for esp. kids to look up to.  I know Bill Cosby fell into sin himself, but his shows were very good family sitcoms.  We need more of that.
I'm writing a series of books for kids ("The Sonic Adventure Gang" - my first one just came out!) that has a fun adventure that shows what it looks like to have clean fun.  My second one is in layout, and I'm half way through writing my third one.  They're small books, but fun with pictures the kids can color if they want. The Sonic Adventure Gang
Ryan Messano Added Nov 2, 2016 - 11:05pm
Yes, Dawn, Bill Cosby had good ideas even if he was a fallen man.
I'm not so sure there is a place for television at all.  We spend 9 years of our lives watching television on average.  There is hardly any redeeming value for that time, and redeeming the time is something we all should do.  I agree on the old T.V. shows, but there are two excellent books on television, "The Plug in Drug", and "Four reasons for the elimination of the television".
Wow, that is amazing, I will buy a few of your books:).  Great work!
Ryan Messano Added Nov 2, 2016 - 11:37pm
Never watched it, but heard lots of good things about it.
I was entranced by the Andy Griffith Show.
Dawn Foss Added Nov 2, 2016 - 11:54pm
Thanks, Ryan!!!
I LOVED the Andy Griffith Show!  Still love to watch reruns!
Ryan Messano Added Nov 2, 2016 - 11:59pm
Welcome, Oh my goodness, that show touched me so much.  Andy's kindness and humor, Barney's humor, and Opie's innocence.  Television will never go back there.
The wonder, wit, and memories were amazing. 
I'll never forget the episode when Barney was trying to buy a car.  A little old woman had a car for sale, and she said she went to church, and had just been widowed....etc....etc....etc... AGainst Andy's advice, Barney fell all over himself trying to buy the car and comfort the "widow".  Turns out the car was a lemon, the woman was lying, and she was the head of a racket.
His facial reactions were priceless.  You may have seen that one.
Ryan Messano Added Nov 3, 2016 - 12:00am
Ryan Messano Added Nov 3, 2016 - 12:01am
The 11-13 minute part has to be some of the greatest comedy ever.
Dawn Foss Added Nov 3, 2016 - 12:33am
I just watched the whole thing! LOL!  So funny!
Janie Smith Added Nov 3, 2016 - 11:15am
I loved the Andy Griffith show too, Don knots was one of my favorite actors.  Has anyone seen "The incredible Mr Limpet"?  So good...I need to go find that movie again...
Janie Smith Added Nov 3, 2016 - 11:17am
Ryan, I look forward to that article.  If anyone can "tell it like it is" on that subject, I know you can.  
Ryan Messano Added Nov 3, 2016 - 12:59pm
I was laughing again last night too Dawn:).  LOL.  I miss Andy Griffith and Don Knotts:(
I haven't seen that one, Janie:).
I am going to do it, and yes, I will be far more unsparing on men than I was on the fair sex.  Thank you:)
Dawn Foss Added Nov 3, 2016 - 6:57pm
Janie, I've heard of it I think, but never saw it.  I love great shows and movies that are good, clean fun and make me laugh!  With all the anxiety (and I'm really feeling it!) of the election coming up, having a good laugh is good medicine for my soul! 
Dawn Foss Added Nov 3, 2016 - 9:22pm
LOL!  No, Michael B, you at least didn't ruin it for me.  Sounds like a good movie!
Jeff Michka Added Nov 27, 2016 - 6:17pm
Janie writes:someone take on the crisis within our male population.  Feminism is not the only fault in the failure of American families. - For Ryan that would be impossible, because men are faultless... ask Michael B.  I'm REALLY WRITING THIS TO IRRITATE RYAN, KNOWING FULL WELL DAWN FOSS WILL EMAIL HIM WITH INFO I did.  I don't miss this disgenuine Xtain clown at all.  Well his scripture flooding is at par with WB Nazi wannabes flooding everything with der furher doctrineS.   
Dawn Foss Added Nov 27, 2016 - 9:48pm
Jeff, you're silly!  I don't have Ryan's email address!  And if I wanted to talk to Ryan about you, I would do it here on WB.  Jeff, we are not your enemies.  You are at enmity with God, but He loves you and wants you to get to know Him, as He does everyone on this earth.   He offers healing to our souls.  None of us are better than anyone else. We're all in the same boat.
Did Ryan leave WB?  I haven't been on much lately.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2016 - 8:30am
Ryan put out a good bye posting at most two weeks ago.
Dawn Foss Added Nov 28, 2016 - 8:46am
Oh, thanks for telling me, Thomas.  He's a good man.   He will continue to do great things for God.
Dino Manalis Added Jan 4, 2017 - 5:05pm
Most women and men don't feel fulfilled without children in their lives.  I agree feminism has its negatives, both men and women need to understand they were created for each other.  
Jeff Michka Added Jan 4, 2017 - 6:07pm
Dawn Foss writes: Oh, thanks for telling me, Thomas.  He's a good man.   He will continue to do great things for God. -  It will have to be Gawd, since he has no use for anyone not in total agreement with him and his positions.  If he is the proverbial "man of Gawd", I want nothing to do with gawd.
Corey Goldstone Added Jan 4, 2017 - 10:33pm
Not sure that women looking for men who make them laugh is such a bad thing and also not sure that it means they are looking for a court jester. Days with laughter are generally better for both women and men than days without. Your archaic view of marriage is often at odds with normal human feelings that we all have and shouldn't spend our entire life fighting to suppress.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 5, 2017 - 2:11pm
Corey Goldstone addresses the "departed:"Your archaic view of marriage is often at odds with normal human feelings that we all have and shouldn't spend our entire life fighting to suppress. -  But with Ryan, that was just it: suppress everything except his love of Gawd, and hot whisper session with the Founding Father who'd impart "secrets of the Constitution" to Ryan.  Ryan would attack everyone with his "gawdisms," and with special dislike of clergy, since he could not be a minister because he refused getting degreed, which apparently was required in his church for that position, so it only meant so much to him.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 5, 2017 - 2:14pm
Dawn Foss tries: I know Bill Cosby fell into sin himself, but his shows were very good family sitcoms.  We need more of that. - Yeah, we need more rapists, armed with drugs and status to victimize women.  This statement is a good example of Xtain duplicity.
Dawn Foss Added Jan 5, 2017 - 6:41pm
Hi Jeff!  You misunderstood what I meant.  Those shows were great family shows.  It is a shame about Bill Cosby. But I still stand by what I said about those sitcoms.  They teach good values, values that did not include rape, drugs, or victimizing. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jan 6, 2017 - 1:31am
Excellent comments Jeff. I was wondering if I was the only one having a problem with this nonsense. So glad that the traditions of my (10,000 year old) culture and faith includes equality of the sexes instead of this Christian extreme sexism trash that they try to force on everyone. If this is a sampler of what a Christian Church meeting is like I'm glad I never had the displeasure. Also glad I have the wonderful family of fellow Kemetians including the great real man who is my husband and my equal partner in all things, the truly traditional way things really should be. 
Jeff Michka Added Jan 6, 2017 - 11:30am
Jenifer Frost captures the essence: So glad that the traditions of my (10,000 year old) culture and faith includes equality of the sexes instead of this Christian extreme sexism trash that they try to force on everyone. If this is a sampler of what a Christian Church meeting is like I'm glad I never had the displeasure. - Well, not sure which culture you refer to in context, but you got it right.  Be careful, Jenifer.  The only people WB rightist club members hate more than "liberals" are women, and that's debatable.  Dawn Foss also writes: They teach good values, values that did not include rape, drugs, or victimizing.  - I guess rape, drugs, or victimizing is okay for ol' Bill, if he'd gotten away completely unnoticed for his crimes.- I also guess it's okay to commit those crimes, but only from behind the pulpit?
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jan 6, 2017 - 7:57pm
Jeff, the culture I was referring to is the Kemetian culture, that of what is today known as ancient Egypt which is where my ancestors hail from (my avatar shows my image depicted in traditional Kemetian dress). Women there had full equally to men in every way,  there was even a woman Pharaoh once. Feminism is afterall only the goal of women to be equals with men, nothing more  nothing less. Society achieved that in my culture and survived longer than any other in human history. Where was the gloom and doom those who fear feminism forecast? Makes one wonder what deep held inferiority complex has some so afraid of. 
Jeff Michka Added Jan 6, 2017 - 9:24pm
Jenifer Frost writes: Where was the gloom and doom those who fear feminism forecast? Makes one wonder what deep held inferiority complex has some so afraid of. - Thanks for the thumbnail culture sketch, I'll look for more on it.  I'm surprised there haven't been any sexist attack on you and what you've said here.  Usually, and as a partial result of Clinton hate derangement syndrome, women expressing what you have get attacked in really ugly ways.  As to individual inferiority complexes, you'll have to ask them.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 7, 2017 - 7:45pm
Dawn Foss pleads case:  I still stand by what I said about those sitcoms.  They teach good values, values that did not include rape, drugs, or victimizing.  -  Hate to spoil your fun, but Cosby was acting in those sitcoms.  As a real person he was "Have another pill, honey, Bill." All same.
Dawn Foss Added Jan 7, 2017 - 9:29pm
Jeff, that's what I'm talking about - the sitcoms, the shows themselves.  I'm not talking about the real Bill Cosby.  Yes, he is an actor and a comedian.  I in no way justify what he did to those women, and it's a real disappointment.  It's a shame, because those shows are very good shows.  Most actors and actresses live a different life than their played character role on a show.  But it's always nice to know the person is a good person in general in real life.  This is not always the case, as we see in this example.

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