The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy

The Anti-Trump Protesters Are Tools of the Oligarchy


“Reform always provokes rage on the part of those who profit by the old order.” Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., The Crisis of the Old Order


Paul Craig Roberts


Who are the anti-Trump protesters besmirching the name of progressives by pretending to be progressives and by refusing to accept the outcome of the presidential election? They look like, and are acting worse than, the “white trash” that they are denouncing.


I think I know who they are. They are thugs for hire and are paid by the Oligarchy to delegitimize Trump’s presidency in the way that Washington and the German Marshall Fund paid students in Kiev to protest the democratically elected Ukrainian government in order to prepare the way for a coup.


The organization,, which claims to be a progressive group, but might be a front, along with other progressive groups, for the Oligarchy, is destroying the reputation of all progressives by circulating a petition that directs the electors of the Electoral Collage to annul the election by casting their votes for Hillary. Remember how upset progressives were when Trump said he might not accept the election result if there was evidence that the vote was rigged? Now progressives are doing what they damned Trump for saying he might do under certain conditions.


The Western presstitutes used the protests in Kiev to delegitimize a democratically elected government and to set it up for a coup. The protest pay was good enough that non-Ukrainians came from nearby countries to participate in the protest in order to collect the money. At the time I posted the amounts paid daily to protesters. Reports came in to me from Eastern and Western Europe from people who were not Ukrainian but were paid to protest as if they were Ukrainians.

The same thing is going on with the Trump protests. CNN reports that “for many Americans across the country, Donald Trump’s victory is an outcome they simply refuse to accept. Tens of thousands filled the streets in at least 25 US cities overnight.” This is the exact reporting that the Oligarchy desired from its presstitutes and got.


I hope no one thinks that simultaneous protests in 25 cities were a spontaneous event. How did 25 independent protests manage to come up with the same slogans and the same signs on the same night following the election?


What is the point of the protests, and what interest is served by them? As the Romans always asked, “who benefits?”


There is only one answer: The Oligarchy and only the Oligarchy benefits.


Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends to stop the giveaway of American jobs to foreigners. The jobs giveaway, sanctified by the neoliberal junk economists as “free trade,” is one of the main reasons for the 21st century worsening of the US income distribution. Money that was formerly paid in middle class wages and salaries to American manufacturing employees and college graduates has been re-routed to the pockets of the One Percent.


When US corporations move their production of goods and services sold to Americans offshore to Asian countries, such as China and India, their wage bill falls. The money formerly paid in middle class incomes goes instead into executive bonuses and dividends and capital gains to shareholders. The ladders of upward mobility that had made America the land of opportunity were dismantled for the sole purpose of making a handful of people multi-billionaires.

Trump is a threat to the Oligarchy, because he intends peaceful relations with Russia. In order to replace the profitable Soviet Threat, the Oligarchy and their neoconservative agents worked overtime to recreate the “Russian Threat” by demonizing Russia.

Accustomed to many decades of excess profits from the profitable Cold War, the military/security complex was angry when President Reagan brought the Cold War to an end. Before these leaches on American taxpayers could get the Cold War going again, the Soviet Union collapsed as a result of a right-wing coup against Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev.

The military/security complex and their zionist neoconservative agents cooked up “the war on terror” to keep the money flowing to the One Percent. But as hard as the presstitute media worked to create fear of “the Muslim threat,” even insouciant Americans knew that the Muslims did not have thousands of ICBMs carrying powerful thermo-nuclear weapons capable of destroying the entirety of the United States in a few minutes. Neither did the Muslims have the Red Army capable of overrunning all of Europe in a couple of days. Indeed, the Muslims haven’t needed an army. Refugees from Washington’s wars enabled by Europeans are overrunning Europe.

The excuse for the annual trillion dollar ($1,000 billion ) military/security budget was missing. So the Oligarchy created “the New Hitler” in Russia. Hillary was the Oligarchy’s principle agent for heating up the new Cold War.

Hillary is the tool, enriched by the Oligarchy, whose job as President was to protect and to increase the trillion dollar budget of the military/security complex. With Hillary in the White House, the looting of the American taxpayers in behalf of the wealth of the One Percent could go forward unimpeded. But if Trump resolves “the Russian threat,” the Oligarchy takes an income hit.

Hillary’s job as President was also to privatize Social Security in order that her Wall Street benefactors can rip off Americans the way that Americans have been ripped off by the insurance companies under Obamacare.

Those Americans who do not pay attention think, mistakenly, that the FBI cleared Hillary of violating National Security protocols with her email practices. The FBI said that Hillary did violate National Security, but that it was a result of carelessness or ignorance. She got off from indictment, because the FBI concluded that she did not intentionally violate National Security protocols. The investigation of the Clinton Foundation continues.

In other words, in order to protect Hillary the FBI fell back on the ancient common law rule that “there can be no crime without intent.” (See PCR and Lawrence Stratton, The Tyranny of Good Intentions.)

One would think that protesters, if they were legitimate, would be celebrating Trump’s victory. He, unlike Hillary, promises to reduce tensions with powerful Russia, and we hope also with China. Unlike Hillary, Trump says he is concerned with the absence of careers for those very people protesting in the streets of 25 cities against him.

In other words, the protests against the American people for electing Trump as their president are pointless. The protests are happening for one reason only. The Oligarchy intends to delegitimize the Trump Presidency. Once President Trump is delegitimized, it will be easier for the Oligarchy to assassinate him. Unless the Oligarchy can appoint and control Trump’s government, Trump is a prime candidate for assassination.

The protests against Trump are suspicious for another reason. Unlike Hillary, Obama, and George W. Bush, Donald Trump has not slaughtered and dislocated millions of peoples in seven countries, sending millions of refugees from the Oligarchy’s wars to overrun Europe.

Trump earned his fortune, and if by hook or crook, not by selling US government influence to foreign agents as Bill and Hillary did.

So what are the protesters protesting?

There is no answer except that they are hired to protest. Just as the Maidan protesters in Kiev were hired to protest by US and German financed NGOs.

The protests in Kiev were equally pointless, because presidential elections were only months away. If Ukrainians really believed that their president was conspiring with Russia to keep Ukraine from becoming a Western puppet state and wished to become a puppet state regardless of the costs, the opportunity to vote the government out was at hand. The only reason for the protests was to orchestrate a coup. The US did succeed in putting their agent in control of the new Ukrainian government as Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador in Kiev confirmed in their telephone conversation that is available on the Internet.

The Maidan protests were pointless except for making a coup possible. The protests were without any doubt arranged by Washington through Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland, a neoconservative brought into the State Department by Hillary Clinton for the purpose of creating conflict with Russia.

Trump is being protested in order to make him vulnerable in the event he proves to be the threat to the Oligarchy that he is thought to be.

Trump won the presidency, but the Oligarchy is still in power, which makes any real reforms difficult to achieve. Symbolic reforms can be the product of the contest between President Trump and the oligarchs.

Karl Marx learned from historical experience, and Lenin, Stalin, and Pol Pot learned from Karl Marx, that change cannot occur if the displaced ruling class is left intact after a revolution against them. We have proof of this throughout South America. Every revolution by the indigenous people has left unmolested the Spanish ruling class, and every revolution has been overthrown by collusion between the ruling class and Washington.

Washington has conspired with traditional elites to remove the elected presidents of Honduras on a number of occasions. Recently, Washington helped elites evict the female presidents of Argentina and Brazil. The presidents of Venezuela, Ecuador, and Bolivia are in the crosshairs and are unlikely to survive. Washington is determined to get its hands on Julian Assange. To achieve this Washington intends to overthrow the Ecuadoran government that, in defiance of Washington, gave Julian Assange political asylum.

Hugo Chavez had the power to exile or to exterminate the Spanish ruling class in Venezuela when the ruling class participated in a CIA coup against Chavez. But before the CIA could kill Chavez, the people and the military forced his release. Instead of punishing the criminals who would have murdered him, Chavez let them go.

According to Marx, Lenin, and Stalin, this is the classic mistake of the revolutionary. To rely on good will from the overthrown ruling class is the certain road to the defeat of the revolution.

Latin American has proved itself unable to learn this lesson: Revolutions cannot be conciliatory.

Trump is a dealmaker. The Oligarchy can permit him the sheen of success in exchange for no real change.

Trump is not perfect. He might fail on his own. But we should back him on the two most important elements in his program: to reduce tensions between the major nuclear powers, and to halt Washington’s policy of permitting globalism to destroy Americans’ economic prospects.

If tensions between nuclear powers worsen, we won’t be here to worry about other problems. The combination of the economy hollowed out by globalism and immigration is an economic nightmare. That Trump understands this is reason to support him.

Note: Some believe that Trump is a ruse conducted by the Oligarchy. However, as Hillary is the bought-and-paid-for representative of the Oligarchy, such an elaborate ruse is unnecessary. It is preferable for the Oligarchy to win on its own platform than to install a president on the opposite platform and then change him around. Another sellout increases the anger of the people. If Hillary had won, the Oligarchy would have had the voters’ mandate for their platform.


Billy Roper Added Nov 11, 2016 - 9:16pm
If you check back on your comments, you may find that the links in the comments section of my article "One Mob, One Magazine" addresses some of the same issues you bring up, including George (Schwartz) Soros financing of the protests and the DNC actively recruiting professional protesters for them, and even providing buses for them, in at least some cases.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 11, 2016 - 9:56pm
The latest Trump conspiracy:  "professional" protesters, implying they get paid by dark Clintonista forces. is, perhaps Trump's new birther movement.  Got a subtle feeling UDAY Trump Eric jr.) is compiling an official enemies list for dad to use, in a campaign of law and order that fell out of fashion during the Nixon years, but the lumpen proles absolutely love... Can funnel such hate into it.  And they'll have another group to blame for all the jobs not coming back.  Uh huh?  What absolute bilge, Billy the Nazi and "Paul."  Self-serving crap.
John Minehan Added Nov 12, 2016 - 9:15am
Trump's supporters are also tools of the oligarchy.  If you can't hedge well, you don't stay in charge. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Nov 12, 2016 - 10:24am
Wow. This is cool.
They are thugs for hire and are paid by the Oligarchy to delegitimize Trump’s presidency in the way that Washington and the German Marshall Fund paid students in Kiev to protest the democratically elected Ukrainian government in order to prepare the way for a coup.
Thank you so much. You wouldn't believe how many people are believing this in Switzerland ? Almost none. When I state this in my environment they think I went nuts...
But it is true. Only, one has to be real into those subjects to be able to follow these arguments.
Chapeau :-)
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 10:54am
SEFa...  "this professional protestors stuff sounds good in WB's echo chamber, " but has no merit save trying further to delegitimize the protesters...(Naw, you'd NEVER do that, eh?) and create another level of conspiracy the right eats like breakfast cereal.
Bill H. Added Nov 12, 2016 - 11:22am
The protestors are actually a good indicator of how the majority of Americans are feeling right now.
These actions are in reality a good thing, as they will emphasize to the new President-Elect that he must make extra efforts to unite our country and work for the interests and well-being of all of it's citizens, not just the Angry White Men he saw at most of his rallies.
If he decides to only move forward with the interests of his supporters, he will divide this country to the point of collapse and conflict.
If he decides to do only what he wants to do without consulting his constituents, he will then become the Dictator I was predicting.
George N Romey Added Nov 12, 2016 - 12:34pm
Wow Dr Roberts I'm a huge fan! And a great article indeed. Welcome to Writer Beat.
Both political parties are tools and shrills for the supreme elites. Whether Trump can break away time will tell. However, to think that HRC would have broken the bonds of economic slavery would be laughable if not so tragic. The protesters have no idea of what they are protesting against or for.
Only when Americans begin to reject elitist rule will the country ever return to the masses.
George N Romey Added Nov 12, 2016 - 12:56pm
They protest because the only jobs are gig jobs such as Uber. What they are clueless about it's Podesta's brother who is behind Uber, a huge Democratic supporter. If they had a lick of sense they would be protesting the national DNC HQ.
The Democratic Party are the ultimate imposters.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Nov 12, 2016 - 12:59pm
To be "left" meant in my youth to be for freedom, peace and equality. Now, 40 years later, what have we got ?
The "left" has become a delusional bunch of people who have introduced PC, regulations up to the bathroom, uncontrolled immigration in Europe that goes so far that natives have to change their culture to be "compatible" to the immigrants !
No trace left of what I once understood by being "leftist".
And when we "normal" Europeans say NO to all that crap we're called racist. These idiots really have no real problems in their lives. Otherwise they wouldn't occupy themselves with such useless shit. 
They tell me I have no empathy. Maybe not for lazy immigrants who only want to exploit our welfare. But I try to help in Africa so people don't have to come HERE. Prevention, that's called. Something our beloved politicians have never heard of. Create work WHERE the people are instead of exploiting the countries, so they'll stay home and work for their country !
In fact most of them don't like to immigrate here. They simply have no jobs. And it's partly our fault.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 1:02pm
ah, JIM... WANT TO TELL US HOW MUCH YOU GET PAID TP BE AN ALT-RIGHT SHILL?  Since anyone protesting the Orange blob is paid, you must be, too, all things being equal.  You really think the Orange blob will help you get a job, George?  You say you CAN'T go out on your own and start a business to create work for yourself, but I wonder.  You say it's sooo bad, yet refuse to do what 1000s have done to make their lives better.  Sure, you may not make it, but I THINK THE CHANCE BEATS SITTING AROUND WAITUNG TO BE SAVED.  Won't happen.
George N Romey Added Nov 12, 2016 - 1:13pm
Jeff I'm working 3 jobs to make ends meet. You don't know a damn thing about me.
You are nothing more than a corporate controlled zygote clueless to what has happened to economic freedom & prosperity. It's why your candidate's supposedly supporters left her behind.
Why aren't the protesters protesting the communities that didn't turn out voters for your candidate? Could it been the quality of your candidate?
Stephen Hunter Added Nov 12, 2016 - 1:35pm
Great article and a lot of things to make us think that some things may not be all that bad under Trump. 
Doug Plumb Added Nov 12, 2016 - 1:51pm
As long as the Fed remains in power and the War Powers Act remains, the oligarchy are in control. Everything that happened that really matters happened in 1933 when Hitler said no to the banksters and all countries that were enemies of the Germans went bankrupt.
  Everything else is a consequence of this.
When a country is under Chapter 11, the representatives are lawfully required to implement bankers will above their own.
  We are getting mired in details and excessive intellectualism when only a few facts and a bit of logic can lead us straight to the truth. This is our central problem. People want to show off about how smart they are rather than get to facts.
  Obviously the present author is not of this ilk, having PhD's in both engineering and economics, he is no idiot. And there is a place for intellectualizing things, its just not with real truth seekers of the public who are not specialists.
  The essay doesn't read like Roberts wrote it to me. Roberts is usually a better writer and brilliant at making his statement. This essay is good, but not of his usual standard but it is a bit long winded and he can be said to be that.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 2:19pm
The difference between you and I, Jim, is that you believe in the Orange clown as some form of cure all, absent any indication it will be so.  I have no such faith.  Since you are retired as I am, I KNOW HOW YOU'RE BEHIND PRIVATIZING SSI, and supporting it because you've been told to, right?  Trump is a gawd damned Real Estate developer, use to buying his way in and never being told no.  Really great way to start.
George N Romey Added Nov 12, 2016 - 6:14pm
Trump needs to pick a Treasury Secretary that will stand up to Wall Street & the Federal Reserve. These 2 parties are the head of the snake. I sincerely wish that Trump would consider this author for the job.
Tamara Wilhite Added Nov 12, 2016 - 8:09pm
They are the same people who were paid and organized by various front NGOs to protest and shut down Trump's Chicago rally earlier this year, the same ones who were paid to instigate violence at Trump events that was blamed on conservatives, as revealed by Wikileaks and Project Veritas.
They need to be shut down either via RICO as extortionists (do what we say or we riot) or as terrorist organizations given the assaults on conservatives or people thought to be conservative.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 8:14pm
If he decides to only move forward with the interests of his supporters, he will divide this country to the point of collapse and conflict. - You think?  He won't do squat for anyone save his R Masters, and that will mean more hardship and suffering for all those "angry white people."  How special. AND Geo writes: I sincerely wish that Trump would consider this author for the job. I'm sure you're the man for the job, Geo.  Suck it up a little more, go begging and it might happen, eh?
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 8:19pm
SEFa writes:  Wow. This is cool.
They are thugs for hire and are paid by the Oligarchy to delegitimize Trump’s presidency in the way that Washington and the German Marshall Fund - Really?  Based on?  Billy the NAZI'S DECLARATION?  Personal desire for it to be true?  There's no evidence of this having any truth at all to it.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 8:25pm
You are nothing more than a corporate controlled zygote clueless to what has happened to economic freedom & prosperity. It's why your candidate's supposedly supporters left her behind.  You know even less about me, but I know more about "disaffected George."  You've tried to beg sympathy so you don't do yourself in (Which, even having no use for you is a bit extreme.), and in truth NO ONE REALLY CARES ABOUT YOU YOUR "FUTURE" OR Lack of a future.  Which given your unwillingness to do anything but "go inside" somewhere with a nice lil desk and "fellow workers, you could be working 50 jobs and it would still be an empty fist motioning up and down on your lap, Geo.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 8:32pm
What they are clueless about it's Podesta's brother who is behind Uber - Geo whines, implying there's another conspiracy out to get him, this time the terrible plague of Uber!  The horror! The horror Does anyone but me see this conspiracy stuff as pure nonsense and justification for "the usual Suspects" here on WB, and other "social media" devices near you?
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 8:39pm
Tamara the conspiracist writes:They need to be shut down either via RICO as extortionists (do what we say or we riot) or as terrorist organizations given the assaults on conservatives or people thought to be conservative. They and Them again Tamara?  Aren't your constant constructs a little...shakey and self revealing?  Did you get rejected as the head of one of these bands of evil, paid protesters?  Probably.  For all the nonsense rightists say about themselves, they still come off whiney, weak and generally uninformed.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 12, 2016 - 9:25pm
All this is an interesting discussion even if I personally think some of it is a little un-informed. Seeing people arguing semantics of geopolitical situations that to me are somewhat irrelevant. As I am a nobody but I do love history and what happened in Germany, Hungary or the bathroom mean nothing. To debate what might or might not happen under a DJT presidency is like arguing what might happen under my presidency. As I stated above I do love history especially the history involved in the drafting of the constitution of this country. If people took as much time reading the drafting arguments of the constitution as they spend watching news channels or on social media, they might be a little better enlightened. DJT is a nationalist so he claims and I will admit I am a nationalist even though I didn’t support him. The framers of the constitution had a very open and recorded debate as to the president formed around the electoral college and what the purpose of it was. There were two main concerns, 1. Protect the wealthy because they are the ones who know how to run the economy. 2. To protect the rights of the small states and individual’s rights. None advocated an open democracy and in fact were afraid of it. They debated an Autocracy which Arron Burr championed but when it was all said and done we have the electoral college. Of course, this is my synopses of much larger debates. What we are seeing is to me at is best ignorance in these protests and at worst a concentrated effort to end the sovereignty of this country by elitist. Either way there has been a fundamental change in the direction this country is headed. It is like promises of bringing back coal jobs to this country. The only way that will happen is to stop coal imports and depend solely on our mines because coal consumption is down dramatically worldwide. Course corrections are always made once a candidate becomes president due to their lack of facts that they receive once in office. We are already seeing this with DJT and his advisors just 4 days after an historical election and one meeting with the sitting president. DJT will change some things for the better and some things probably for the worse. But the one thing I believe he will do is secure our sovereignty or try to be assassinated by someone. As what I believe one of this century’s great statesmen put it I have not left the democratic party they left me. I do not care about restrooms; I care about my neighbor going to work to feed his family. I do care about gays getting married, I care about my neighbors losing their home. I will go so far as to say what is more important to me than illegal immigrants are 22 veterans committing suicide every day and people who have stood and fought for this country living on the streets. Life will continue under DJT the same as it did under BHO and everyone before them! Just an opinion from a nobody!
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 9:34pm
 I do care about gays getting married, I care about my neighbors losing their home.  - But I'd guess, from this statement, you'd not care about your gay neighbors losing their home, eh?  And to what extent do gays getting married iinterfere with your life?  So more "social warrior crap" over jobs and the economy?  Easy answer:  Yes or No.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 9:36pm
Protestors should learn that deadvotes really don't count
Jeff Michka Added Nov 12, 2016 - 9:41pm
22 veterans committing suicide every day and people who have stood and fought for this country living on the streets - WERE YOU THE LEAST OUTRAGED WHEN THE ORANGE BLOB attacked the Muslim gold-star family?  probably not, since the dead soldier was a Muslim and one of them there "others".  Make up your mind, Al... Can't really have it both ways.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 12, 2016 - 9:43pm
See Jeff you are typical to the argument! I did not say that I didn't care about the individuals. I don't care about the arguments! I care about my fellow citizens, all races, religions, sexes and creeds. These are things that will be worked out as our country has always done. Yes to me it is about jobs, veterans and all my neighbors regardless of their persuasions! So why don't you go back and read to see if there is anything else you can take out of context.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 12, 2016 - 9:46pm
For the record half my family are Muslims! So before you get on your soapbox enlighten yourself to what you are talking about. I don't jump off the edge because of soundbites on the news!
Peter Corey Added Nov 12, 2016 - 10:07pm
New York Times publisher vows to 'rededicate' paper to reporting honestly
The publisher of The New York Times, Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr., wrote an open letter to its readers:
"To our readers,
When the biggest political story of the year reached a dramatic and unexpected climax late Tuesday night, our newsroom turned on a dime and did what it has done for nearly two years — cover the 2016 election with agility and creativity.
After such an erratic an unpredictable election there are inevitable questions:  Did Donald Trumps sheer unconventionality lead us and other news outlets to underestimate his support among American voters?  What forces and strains in America drove this divisive election and outcome?  Most important, how will a president who remains a largely enigmatic figure actually given when he takes office?
As we reflect on this week's momentous result, and the months of reporting and polling that preceded it, we aim to rededicate ourselves to the fundamental mission of Times journalism.  That is to report America and the world honestly, without fear or favor, striving always to understand and reflect all political perspectives and life experiences in the stories that we bring to you.  It is also to hold power to account, impartially and unflinchingly.  We believe we reported on both candidates fairly during the presidential campaign.  You can rely on The New York Times to bring the same fairness, the same level of scrutiny, the same independence to our coverage of the new president and his team.  
We cannot deliver the independent,, original journalism for which we are known without the loyalty of our subscribers.  We want to take this opportunity, on behalf of all Times journalists, to thank you for that loyalty.  
Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr.
The last paragraph is the most important. The Times probably suspects that many of its readers will end their subscriptions; not because they like (or ever liked) Trump; and not because they object to the way Trump was demonized constantly in news articles (not editorials, but front-page, above-the-fold articles) but because they might feel the paper's analyses and predictions regarding political events were so inaccurate. And indeed they were.
It might be instructive to compare and contrast the above letter with the farewell letter written by a former Public Editor of The Times, Arthur Brisbane, in August 2012:
". . .  the hive on Eighth Avenue is powerfully shaped by a culture of like minds — a phenomenon, I believe, that is more easily recognized from without than from within.
When The Times covers a national presidential campaign, I have found that the lead editors and reporters are disciplined about enforcing fairness and balance, and usually succeed in doing so. Across the paper’s many departments, though, so many share a kind of political and cultural progressivism — for lack of a better term — that this worldview virtually bleeds through the fabric of The Times.
As a result, developments like the Occupy movement and gay marriage seem almost to erupt in The Times, overloved and undermanaged, more like causes than news subjects."
As demure as it was, Brisbane's farewell letter in The Times caused a furor among readers and critics; so much so, that the incoming Public Editor wrote an apologia, claiming that The Times is, indeed, always fair and objective.
The Gray Lady has been having financial problems for well over a decade. It will be interesting to see what happens to it over the course of the next 4 years.
Peter Corey Added Nov 12, 2016 - 10:18pm
Here's how Ronald Reagan dealt with violent protesters in 1969:
Trump might not have Reagan's eloquence, but one hopes he has his resolve.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 13, 2016 - 1:15am
Good to see you here Dr. Roberts, I have followed your blog for some time. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Nov 13, 2016 - 8:53am
When I said This is cool I meant especially this one:
paid students in Kiev to protest the democratically elected Ukrainian government in order to prepare the way for a coup.
That's why I wrote it in bold letters.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 1:20pm
Al, and I've got Muslims in my family to, and they are terrified, considering where they live.  And they've been screamed at and called all sorts of stuff, just going to Friday prayers.  Respective of this, and actually in light of it, you didn't answer the question about the Kahn family.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 1:25pm
the German Marshall Fund - Really, SEFa?  They paid protesters.  USAID might, others might but the GMF?  that's stretching it a bit far.  I guess there are all those pay stubs to prove it...
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 1:30pm
Wow, we see ol' Pete "I'M A BIRTHER" Corey has a new life of conspiracy thrashing.  The birther crap you spew still disqualifies you from the "I have a brain and argument Club" on a permanent basis.  Being a birther is your benchmark.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 1:40pm
Jeff of course I found that offensive. Since my grandfather and great uncles came to this country from Lebanon they have served honorably in the Military starting in WWI right on down to myself. I have had many discussions with my family about things he has said and done. But the belief that he called for banning all Muslims is an out right lie from the left media. He did not say that at any point. What he said was to stop the refugees until we can vet them and I am my family are in whole hearted agreement. But we also realize that this election was about the sovereignty of this country. I did not serve nor did my family so Hillary could bow down to George Soros and sell out our country. And if you think that she isn't then friend you are putting blinders on. Not to mention the fact that in her speech's to Goldman Sacks she included Muslims in the group of never do wells. ie. always losers! The left likes to argue that you can't pay attention to the Wikileaks because they were doctored. Bull Crap! People follow that narrative because they chose to believe that she is for immigrants and the working class. She is for Hillary and Bill and no one else. Everyone in this country is free to believe and say what they feel and I encourage them to speak their minds but not false talking points!  
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 2:33pm
Well Al, for someone whining about "talking points," save family history, that's all you have.  Sure you can repeat talking points over and over until you believe them true.  Seems you have and we'll never have the same opinion on anything,  This Great Clinton Evil is just fodder for the rightwing echo chambers.  All this contrived "conspiracy" crap is just that contrived BS to feed "the Base" of which you are part and clearly ate up.  And sure you are free to believe as you want, and express opinions, but you might hear back on the latter and know you won't like it spoiling your narrative.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 3:01pm
First Jeff I am not whining about anything! As you so clearly choose not to see is that I did not support Trump. My so called talking points as you say came from discussions with people about what they believe and don't believe and not MSNBC or Fox as I watch neither. This great Clinton evil as you say is something that appears to be in your mind only! I have talked about facts of her actions and nothing else for which I am positive of. You are free to believe whatever you want to as I have said. But it is clear that the only thing you care about is what makes you happy and not what is best for all. And so it is clear for you I am not talking about Trump but about our country. I am willing to give him a chance the same way I supported Obama in 2008 over that POC called McCain. There is something for you to attack me on again because in your mind I just attacked a great hero. When my personal feelings about his actions have nothing to do with his service. The very same way my feelings about Kerry have nothing to do with his service. The only service members that I will confront about their service and have are those idiots who stand and brag about bad they treated people in combat zones. And I am smart enough to know that they are full of crap and just trying to impress their friends. So if I might offer a suggestion to you. It appears that you are unable to have a subjective conversation on topics without name calling and attacking people because they don't follow your form of ideology. Sit back, breath, read and listen to people having reasonable discussion that might help you have a little better understanding!
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 4:49pm
I'm so impressed with your credentials.  You get jumped, you jump back.  So you finally sorta answered my original question.  I care about my fellow citizens, all races, religions, sexes and creeds. - Proof is to you...act, then like you care.  Up to you, and I've not been unfair with you, Al.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 4:58pm
Al writes a Fixed Noise/Republican  talking point he says he never makes: I did not serve nor did my family so Hillary could bow down to George Soros and sell out our country. And if you think that she isn't then friend you are putting blinders on. - There's absolutely no evidence or proof on this evil conspiracy, save right wing echo chambers. So which is it, Al?
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 5:00pm
Jeff when you indite someone the way you have me claiming that I am spewing some kind of talking points when all I have given is facts. I showed you something????? At no point in any of my statements have I defended any of his actions nor can they be interpreted that way. You jump on here and attack everyone because they don't sure your thoughts. That is not open discussion by any stretch of the imagination.
I haven't called anything nor have I called Hillary anything. I can have an open honest conversation with anyone that wants to have one. I think you may need to go back and read your comments to other people and myself.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 5:00pm
Al even repeats more Fixed NOISE/Republo talking points he says he never makes:  The left likes to argue that you can't pay attention to the Wikileaks because they were doctored. Bull Crap! People follow that narrative because they chose to believe that she is for immigrants and the working class. -  "OOOOH!  Must be true, it's Julian Assange."
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 5:13pm
The bold faced is your material taken from YOUR comments, so I'M SUPPOSE TO PRETEND "I GOT IT ALL WRONG?"  Predicated on what?  Hillary could bow down to George Soros and sell out our country - So you meant to write Trump, Johnson or STEIN, EH?  READ:  People follow that narrative because they chose to believe that she is for immigrants and the working class.  So this is someone else's opinion too, Al?
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 5:13pm
See Jeff you want to keep pounding on what you think makes your case. I don't need to go to some talking points from someone on the right or the left. I can go to Wikileaks and read the speeches for myself. I can go to the state department web site and see for myself that was was sending classified emails which is illegal. I served in Military intelligence and I had a security clearance so I know fully what miss-handling classified  information constitutes. So if you think that all these emails are fake then go read them and then we can talk. They are easy to find and believe it or not they are also easy to verify. / but I figure that isn't something you are really interested in doing now is it? You have given nothing to back your self up yet so give us some hard facts other than your opinion. And please spare us some article form the NYT or Mother Jones.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 5:16pm
I'm just quoting your own words.  If someone else is using your account, better get in touch with Autumn.  Of course they're your words, you just won't take ownership of them.  Wow someone not taking ownership of their own statement on WB?  Unheard of....
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 5:18pm
HA now that was funny! I know you just don't believe that George Soros and the open Boarders foundation is behind her when in one of her speeches she quotes directly for them. That is the same way I believe George HW Bush went out on a boat one day and dreamed up the New World order!
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 5:26pm
Wrong again Jeff they are my words and I absolutely own them. You want to hit on words instead of what is going on all around us. Your passion seems to blind you to the fact that both parties and party leaders have been selling us done the river. Like it or not the Clinton's or the Bush's give a flying flip about Americans! If you don't agree that is your business but you have yet to say anything or give any proof that I am wrong. You just think you can take my words and prove that I am some right wing in hiding. I told you were you can go and read for yourself. Best to you!
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 6:05pm
"OOOOH!  Must be true, it's Julian Assange." See Jeff my friend your own words prove that I don't need to go to right wing lug nuts and their talking points. Why didn't you mention the released State Department classified emails sent to Chelsea from her private server who does not work for the Government nor posses any kind of security clearance? I think personally that you have validated my points. I could be wrong but I just don't feel that I am.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 13, 2016 - 6:08pm
If you feel sold down a river, Al, sounds like it's your problem not mine.  I have few expectations from these power bases.  You seem to have a lot.  You really believed all that R crap about trickle down economics?  The angry white guys were told to believe as soon as taxes were eliminated on the wealthy, they'd go out and start businesses and we'd all be awash in money and jobs.  They were promised this for 30 plus years, and all they had to do was vote R when told.  I gotta laugh when I read rightists insisting "Hillary sold us out!"  No, St. Ronnie the Raygun did and you silly people bought into it for three decades.  I don't know what you're hiding, Al, and don't care, you've your narrow views and I have mine, I'm sure you'll attract all sorts of nice right wingers to you.  It is, after all WB.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 6:10pm
Oh I almost forgot that is illegal per Title 18 of the US criminal code! To knowing and willing disseminate classified information to someone not authorized to receive it and it carries a prison term of no more than 10 years! People need to distinguish between choosing to not prosecute someone and breaking the law.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 6:13pm
Of course not, as I stated above about coal. People really do believe that he is going to bring back coal but as I stated unless you completely stop coal imports that's not going to happen because coal consumption is down big time worldwide.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 6:18pm
See again you resort to name calling Jeff. We may disagree on political views my friend but I will still stand beside you if I have to choose between a fellow citizen and the rest of the world. The only thing I care about is if he will stop this march toward Globalism! If he does then I am happy! The rest we can work as time marches on!
Patrick Writes Added Nov 13, 2016 - 6:42pm
Interesting post. I wonder if some of the protesters, at least in LA in the first night, were simply ticked off people. (I believe LA and possibly Portland on the first night were unexpected.) 
The Hispanic young protester girl who told CNN that people have to die and casualties must be incurred for real change to ever happen. What was she talking about? If you read between the lines, who would be so upset about to talk of bloodshed?
I'd be upset if I was an illegal immigrant and/or had immediate family members who were and we were promised a path to citizenship by Obama and those on the Left. Now with Trump, they know their status is in doubt. 
Well...if she herself was illegal or had close family members who were, and she's facing potential family breakup then I potentially understand. (Although if they all came from another country, they can go back to that homeland and be together, the USA isn't separating families and forcing them to stay apart). 
George N Romey Added Nov 13, 2016 - 7:22pm
I can understand the desire to leave a poor country and want to come to America.  I had many immigrant friends in New York.  However, open come one come all borders is just not practical or even safe. People here illegally have no right to an expectation they will be allowed to stay.  There is no guarantee the immigration policy of today will be the same immigration policy of tomorrow.
Go to Australia and see how you are questioned when you enter. Australia unlike the US has exit customs so if you overstay your visa and decide to leave later you will be detained upon leaving and never allowed back in.  Yet are Australians screaming that is bigoted and racist?  
Albert Solomon Added Nov 13, 2016 - 9:31pm
Gents, I am in the camp that the southern boarder needs secured when Ronnie and Tip along with their political hacks in congress agreed to it. But not because I am afraid of being attacked by some would be terrorist. I am not afraid of losing my job to some poor soul just trying to have a better life. I love how proponents of an open boarder policy cry it is for the little children trying to make a better life. I love how they want to pull at the heart strings that it is just an act of love. Has anyone really bothered to go to the boarder to see what is going on there? For those who don't know and those who choose to stick their heads in the sand. It is one of the biggest humanitarian crisis this country has every seen. If they really cared about all these poor little children then it would seem to me that they would let the world know that our boarder is closed. There are 48 US counties along the US and Mexican boarder. So far this year alone 57 bodies have been recovered from just one county in Texas. If this is all that is happening in each county you are looking at over 2,700 so far this year according to the US boarder Patrol. This doesn't count those who may have died on the southern side. These are hard numbers so my question is who is really concerned with the poor little children? This immigration mess isn't something that is going to be fixed overnight. For the nay Sayers I can take you to Atlanta and show you a kid about 32 years old married to a US citizen with a 10 year old daughter. He has been refused citizenship because when he was young he got in some trouble. Hard working kid or I should say young man who made one mistake. Lets just secure the boarder and then figure out how we are going to deal with the rest. Where is the voice of reason? Paid protesters or not we need to secure that boarder so they will stop trying to come here. My thoughts anyway!
Jeff Michka Added Nov 14, 2016 - 10:53am
Al still won't take ownership of his opinions, and continues to blame me for not accepting his shifting words.  I'm sure the whole world is like ol Al portrays it.  Like his "coal export" talk he conflates and is really not coal imports.  No, Al, it's coal exporting that's an issue.  The buyer: China (PRC).  THEY WANT COAL EXPORT TERMINALS IN Puget Sound, as well as oil export facilities for train-transported oil, like that which toasted Moser, Or. last June and the town now has oil in its water supply.  Upsides?  Property in Moser will become very cheap.  Maybe the Orange blob's kids will build a Trump Resort there, eh?  And  coal spills off the trains every time there is "rough track" or crossings.  Poor people can go with buckets and pick up spilled coal to heat their homes like in Victorian England.  Bring back Charles Dickens from the dead as "social advisor" to build a grate (a coal-burning grate) America, Ryan and Dickens would be proud of.  And be sure to toss all those "los illegals" out!  Good, white families need work picking lettuce and apples.  Right...and yeah, the "hillbilly Elegy" crowd does believe they'll be mining again next year.  Trump will fix it. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 14, 2016 - 10:54am
Dr. Roberts please engage those commenting on your article.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 14, 2016 - 12:01pm
Dr. Roberts please engage those commenting on your article. - He's busy finding George Romey another job, perhaps, Gilbert.  Priorities are what they are for "the good Doctor."  He may be out, too, finding protester paystubs from Soros and Hillary to stoke the next rightist conspiracy.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 14, 2016 - 12:09pm
Why didn't you mention the released State Department classified emails sent to Chelsea from her private server who does not work for the Government nor posses any kind of security clearance? - because I have zero reason, then and now to pursue every supposed Clinton Crime she's accused of.  Only ideologues revel in such conditions, Al.  Was it fun?  Was it illuminating?  I personally got tired of rightwing "email conspiracy" talk.  only election question:  "When did Criminal Hillary know her emails lead to deaths in Behgazi conspiracy stuff."  Sure, want to spend all my time reading Brietbart, like some do here.
Albert Solomon Added Nov 14, 2016 - 4:57pm
Jeff perhaps I am misunderstanding what you are trying to say. You seem to keep implying that I am a Hillary hater, and Donald groupie which I am neither. The only thing that I know she has done is in fact broke the law for which Bradley/Chelsea Manning and not to that extent bu,t along with others are sitting in jail for as I type this. And I understand, she has spent her career in the center of politics which is where I am. But that doesn’t place her above the law. But she clearly is for Globalism which I am not because I know for a fact combined global markets only benefit the extremely wealthy. To my point on coal is about a promise that can’t be kept! I am a realist when it comes to society and believe it or not I do get the impression so are you. I may be completely off base here but it doesn’t change my belief that reasonable people can’t sit down and come to agreeable solutions to things until better solution comes along. Coal consumption is down 73 million short ton’s worldwide, with 166 million short ton’s stockpiled as of today curtesy of Whether we like it or not 67% of the electricity in this country comes from coal fired power plants. Should we move towards a cleaner renewable source? Absolutely! But the reality of it is currently we can’t and that was proven some years ago when T Boone Pickens came in with his wind farms and invested 1 billion dollars into it. Only after losing a few 100 million said that the infrastructure is not there to support it nor the necessary land. Being a realist I understand that you can’t just say oh let’s close all the power plants today and then figure it out. Which brings me back to my comment that the only way to bring back coal jobs is to stop importing coal because of the lower consumption and huge stockpiles already. If I am reading you wrong, then please help me understand what your point is.