Hiring, A community organizer, City of Chicago

Obama came from Chicago as a community organizer in the black community.  He came out of the Chicago Democratic party.   Did not complete one senate term before becoming our president.  After Eight years this is the state of his city:

Arrests are down 28 percent this year in the Windy City, the lowest since at least 2001, according to the Chicago Sun-Times, and less than half what they were in 2010. Drug arrests are down by half. Pedestrian stops were down 82 percent by early fall.
So far this year, 4,334 people have been shot in Chicago: one person every two hours. Almost all the victims have been black. The police have shot 25 people, virtually all armed or otherwise dangerous — less than .6 percent of the total.

Hillary ran on being Obama's third term.  She won Illinois but when you look closer she only took 11 counties all having a major city.  Trump won 91 counties.

Finally the budget problems are so bad the Democratic legislature and Governor early in Obama's presidency increased taxes.  Today Illinois has the highest migration OUT of the State of the 50 states.

Comments

Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2016 - 8:09pm
So what?
Barry aka. Hyperminde Added Dec 31, 2016 - 2:53am
RE (Chris C): So what?
 
Thanks, Chris..... Like the vast majority of "The Left" on WB, you demonstrate that "Liberals" (in the presence of Reality which can be Observed in an Objective manner) CANNOT Determine ANY Cause/Effect Relations from the use the natural human senses.
 
If "Chris" were to make a Statement other than the Absence-of-Thought-"So-What" ... you can be certain that it would be simple Echos of GROUP-THINK.
 
From another article, "Chris C" said "[Hillary] emails were deleted. There is no evidence that any of them were other than personal."
 
It is sad how "Liberals" perceive what "jobs" are like -- "Chris" has accepted that "Secretary of State" paid a person for being "All Personal" and leaving no records of "conducting business." However, it makes PERFECT Sense that "Anti-Capitalists" (Liberals) would be Completely Incapable of Understanding WORK.
 
I guess WB has taught me that "Liberals" (generally speaking) get 99.9% of their "Thought and Perception" from Spoon-Fed-Ideology. Objective observation by sight or hearing are irrelevant to what they believe.
Joanna Nutile Added Dec 31, 2016 - 7:39am
What does Obama have to do with what's happening in Illinois?  The link is especially troubling in light of the fact this article focuses on the 8 years he wasn't serving as a community organizer there.
Steve Borsher Added Dec 31, 2016 - 9:25am
Just like 0bama, Emmanuel is a Mussolini: a would-be Hitler with no chops; a Mousolini: a lot of squeaking with no action.
Chris Crawford Added Dec 31, 2016 - 10:50am

Barry aka. Hyperminde, I remind you that vituperation is the refuge of those who realize that they have no rational case.
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 31, 2016 - 1:58pm
Chris C. and Joanna N., Do you like going to funerals?  That is the question I have asked every Liberal that has supported 'black lives matter'.  Obama knows the situation in the black ghettos of Chicago more then most, that was his office, they were is clients.  So of any politician that has the power to use his bully pulpit to end the murder of his clients and keep the blood of children and bystanders out of his office, Barack Hussein Obama, would have used it if it mattered.  It is obvious and a person that lives in the shadow of Chicago and receives the new from Chicago stations that Barack Hussein Obama has done squat.  That is WHAT IS CHRIS, SQUAT! That is what matters Joanna.  

Chris and Joanna, it is not squat to the people that go to those funerals I can assure you.  You do not really see the people marching in the street.  We has seen the paid protesters that Veritas has shown were hired by the DNC or their supporters.  Veritas showed video of them complementing themselves for closing the Trump Chicago Rally.  So it is a very small leap to assume they also were paid for the protested on Michigan Avenue.   You see Chris and Joanna if the people came out their would the 50 to 100 times more people.  I am talking about the people that have gone to funerals of a love one in the last decade.  

What could be done.  Obama would only that suggested that anyone in Chicago picked up by the police with and unregistered gun and or drugs for sale and have any connection to the gangs be charged in federal court and receive a very long sentence.   Obama is reducing the sentences of them as I right this.   Chris and Joanna we know this works because it has in New York under Ruddy Julliani.   Obama instead of supporting 'hand up do not shoot' that never happened and putting his attack dogs in the justice department to investigate, Obama could be talking to the black youth that will get stopped.  He could be using that bully pulpit to tell them to listen to the policeman and do not resist.  If you are miss treated as a former community organizer I assure you that we will support and just complaints.    Never heard anything close.  That Chris and Joanna is what matters, saving lives.
Chris Crawford Added Dec 31, 2016 - 2:14pm
"That is WHAT IS CHRIS, SQUAT!"
Did you know that Mr. Obama is not mayor of Chicago nor Governor of Illinois. Presidents do not have the power to set local policies.
 
Regarding Project Veritas, again I ask, "So what?" 
 
You recommend long prison sentences for certain crimes. The President can issue executive orders under certainly legally defined situations. He cannot simply make up laws. Such legislation would have to be passed by Congress. Moreover, such laws are usually the prerogative of local governments: state, county, or city. Blaming Mr. Obama for the absence of such laws is incorrect.
 
Moreover, may I point out that the USA has one of the highest incarceration rates in the developed world? We are already putting lots of people in jail. It's costing the taxpayers a fortune. You don't mind paying higher taxes to build more prisons, do you?
Robert Wendell Added Dec 31, 2016 - 2:26pm
Sutrina and all in his nutty camp, maybe if you wore less heavily tinted glasses you wouldn't have to stretch reality so awfully hard and use such amazingly fallacious reasoning to get it to fit your perspective.
Steve Borsher Added Dec 31, 2016 - 2:33pm
Chicago is called the Windy City partly because of the politicians, and 0bama and Emmanuel are too of the windiest. 
Robert Wendell Added Dec 31, 2016 - 6:04pm
I live in the United States. We have more firearms per capita than any other country in the world. Although I own no arms beyond a kitchen knife, I must be responsible for this because I have live and worked here almost all of my life. 
(This is not about the right to carry arms or the Second Amendment. It's about imitating the same "logic" underlying this whole article. This is just guilt by association and nothing more solid than that. I could find ugly things and associate them geographically with equal validity, or lack of it, with many presidents you think were good leaders and even held political positions in the pertinent areas. How do people get this stupid? Can those here with the experience of getting that stupid please enlighten the rest of us about how that happens?) 
Barry aka. Hyperminde Added Dec 31, 2016 - 7:35pm
RE (Robert W): I live in the United States. We have more firearms per capita than any other country in the world....
 
"Liberals" (according to their words) believe the Firearms MAKE Murder Happen.
 
At the same they are unable to Comprehend What "MUST" Happen if their beliefs are True:
 
Gun Stores have More Ammo and Firearms per Capita than [almost anywhere]..... THEREFORE - Ordinary People (the ones not wise enough to wear tinfoil hats to prevent guns from controlling their minds) CERTAINLY Commit Murder IMMEDIATELY Upon entering Gun Stores because of Super-High "Firearms per Capita."
 
"Liberals" NEVER Blame Government (when run by Democrats). For example, Chicago Gun-Related Murders are INCREDIBLY HIGH, and Gun Laws are Incredibly Strict, but "None" of the Violent Criminals in Chicago are in Prison for "Gun Law Violations."
 
RE (Joanna N): What does Obama have to do with what's happening in Illinois?
 
@ Joanna - I think you're one of the thoughtful and civil people on WB (which is a very small group). However, on to a point....
 
Troubleshooting - When a set of "Catastrophic Problems" have things in common, then it's almost ALWAYS a good idea to examine how common characteristics may indicate where to Focus to Eliminate a Problem.
 
Where are people in the "Big Bankrupt Cities" who say to themselves "Maybe We Shouldn't ASSUME that FUTURE Tax Revenue will Rise 200%,  just because We Increased THIS YEAR'S SPENDING."
 
The most likely explanation for the "Big City" Behavior and Problems is Politicians saying to themselves "We Will Be LONG GONE When Our F**K-UPS Explode Like a NUCLEAR-SH*T-BOMB", ... and "Liberals" who support them because of All of the "Free Stuff" and "Social Justice."
 
RE (Chris C):  I remind you that ... no rational case.
 
Going back to the "So What?" from "Chris C" AS CRITICISM.... It's a great example of a "Zero-Thought-Statement" coming from a "Liberal", who then accuses others of not having "rational arguments."
 
"Chris" may as well use other infantile rebuttals like: "Nu-uh ... YOU ARE!" ... or maybe "______ Are Just as BAD!" ... and of course the "I'm Right because the 97% Consensus!"
 
Note: If there is a 97% Consensus which Pushes GAY People Off of Tall Buildings in Iran, that Does NOT Make Them "Right."
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 31, 2016 - 7:48pm
 Ruddy Julliani use the federal laws that existed to lock criminals on gun charges.  So Chris as the present chief of Police in Chicago has said, "the Judges in Chicago are not given unregistered gun possession long sentences."  Law does not need to change, the judges need to apply the law with longer sentences.  That is where the bully pulpit from a Democratic president for a Liberal judge.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 31, 2016 - 7:51pm
Robert W. when you and Chris can only use character assassination because you have poor arguments and no facts I feel successful.
Chris Crawford Added Dec 31, 2016 - 7:57pm
So, Mr. Sutrina, you believe that Mr. Obama should have declared that judges should give longer sentences to such offenders, which in turn would have caused them to do so. Tell me, Mr. Sutrina, on how many occasions has Mr. Obama been able to simply declare something as desirable and thereby succeeded in making it happen? When he declared after several massacres that gun laws in this country were too lax, did people all over the country start passing stricter gun control laws? Congress certainly didn't. 
While you're at it, why don't you blame Mr. Obama for tornados?
Robert Wendell Added Dec 31, 2016 - 8:23pm
Very Hyper-dufus, did you read this line from my comment?
 
I said, "This is not about the right to carry arms or the Second Amendment."
 
What an idiot! You missed the whole point and went off on a totally irrelevant tangent. I recommend you trade that cow poop upstairs for some brains.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 1, 2017 - 11:15am
Chris you are talking about a different problem.  Gun laws do not exist that meet Obama's talk.  And He can not get such laws through congress.  No president has been able to do that.  The application of a longer sentence is within the law.  It is at the judges discretion.   As I said Chris totally different problem.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 1, 2017 - 11:21am
Robert you must be talking about yourself since in scanning this article YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE TO MENTION THE SECOND AMENDMENT.    I could not remember discussing it and I did not in the scan find another responder.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 1, 2017 - 11:31am
Who took 0bama's place as commie organizer?
Chris Crawford Added Jan 1, 2017 - 11:35am
I agree that sentencing is not identical to gun control. You argued hypothetically that Mr. Obama's use of the bully pulpit would cause judges to give longer sentences. I demonstrated that, in one case, Mr. Obama's use of the bully pulpit had no effect. Can you demonstrate that your hypothetical situation was likely to have been true? 
Chris Crawford Added Jan 1, 2017 - 11:36am
"Who took 0bama's place as commie organizer?"
Inasmuch as your premise is false, your question is meaningless.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 1, 2017 - 12:06pm
It was an abreviation, like Cumbies for Cumberland Farms. In as much as you premise is false, your response is meaningless.
Stephen Hunter Added Jan 1, 2017 - 12:43pm
I see a lot of emotionally charged blaming comments, however very little creativity in a solution moving forward. 
This is a societal mess, and it will take many years to see any significant positive change. Which will only happen when the poor get educated and become upwardly mobile. The only poor becoming upwardly mobile now are those involved in organized crime. 
Robert Wendell Added Jan 1, 2017 - 1:27pm
Sutrina, I was clearly referring to Very Hyper-Blind's comment stamped Barry aka. Hyperminde Added Dec 31, 2016. He trips off on the gun debate after I had clearly said that was merely content for a logical parallel to your insane "reasoning" in the article, which is nothing more than "guilt by association". The "logic" is exactly parallel to my receiving the blame for the U.S. having the highest gun violence in the developed world merely because I live here. That's the "logical" basis of your whole cosmically stupid article. 
 
That's why I ended a parenthetical comment by saying, "How do people get this stupid? Can those here with the experience of getting that stupid please enlighten the rest of us about how that happens?"
Mike Haluska Added Jan 1, 2017 - 7:07pm
Joann - in response to your question:
 
"What does Obama have to do with what's happening in Illinois?"
 
1) funds Chicago as a "Sanctuary City" for criminals
2) pardons TENS OF THOUSANDS of convicted drug dealers so they can return to the streets and contribute to the violence AGAIN
3) hosts "Black Lives Matter" in the White House while denouncing law enforcement as "racist"
4) established economic policies that punish business and forced 40 million more into poverty than before he took office
 
I could go on for pages but I hope you get the point.
George N Romey Added Jan 1, 2017 - 7:48pm
Obama made little effort to stem the tide of poverty, which impacts all races albeit inner cities even more.  Yes he had a do nothing Congress to contend with but he never had the real fight in him.  Certainly not like FDR or JFK.  He was happy to give great speeches on the stump then return to DC to pal around with all the fake Progressives.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 1, 2017 - 8:06pm
0bama was very good at fooling fools. The rest of the country voted for Trump.  0bama's conceit was never more apparent than when he told voters that it would be an insult to his legacy if they did not vote for Billary. Well, he asked for it and got it, even though it was hard to insult it any more than he already had.
Chris Crawford Added Jan 1, 2017 - 8:19pm
Now, now, Mr. Haluska, ranting does nothing to further your goals. Claiming that Mr. Obama has pardoned tens of thousands of drug dealers only makes eyes roll. Your other wild and crazy fantasies are equally damaging to your cause. You'll find that you can convince more people if you bring your comments back into the real world. 
Chris Crawford Added Jan 1, 2017 - 8:20pm
Mr. Romey and Mr. Borsher, I suggest that you read this article (if it's not behind a paywall for you) detailing Mr. Obama's achievements and failures:
http://www.economist.com/news/christmas-specials/21712062-barack-obamas-presidency-lurched-between-idealism-and-acrimony-some-his?spc=scode&spv=xm&ah=9d7f7ab945510a56fa6d37c30b6f1709
 
I'm sure that you'll find it illuminating.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 1, 2017 - 8:56pm
Why do I need to read about what I lived through for 8 painful years? I paid attention; didn't you? I published an article here about 0bama, following his total nonresponsiveness during the Deepwater Horizon leak. It's called: 0bama, The Fireman. Check that out for a proper perspective on your idol. His final overreaction was to shut down all new drilling in the Gulf. He stood behind that sanction against his own country, while drawing yellow lines against our enemies. Whose president was he, anyway?
 
Chris Crawford Added Jan 1, 2017 - 8:59pm
Since you are omniscient, Mr. Borsher, I will not be so vainglorious as to attempt to communicate any information to you.
Robert Wendell Added Jan 1, 2017 - 9:25pm
Chris said to Haluska, "Your other wild and crazy fantasies are equally damaging to your cause. You'll find that you can convince more people if you bring your comments back into the real world."
 
He is too dense to notice how dense he is, Chris. I've dealt with him much longer than makes any sense. It's a hopeless case. Up is down and down is up. It's called the Dunning-Kruger Effect. I first brought that up when I accidentally ran across it looking for other, tangentially related things.
 
It was immediately clear that this applied to the people who uncritically swallow fake news whole if it supports or even wildly exaggerates anything, true or false, they already want to believe. They also reject, fail to notice, or simply ignore solid facts out of hand without rhyme or reason if it doesn't fit their preexisting world view.
 
I just googled the Dunning-Kruger Effect and got this interesting article. It's the first time I've seen it applied to politics anywhere other than in my own comments. Click here to read the whole article for context. These quotes from it provide the essence, however:
 
"...To sum it up, the knowledge and intelligence that are required to be good at a task are often the same qualities needed to recognize that one is not good at that task—and if one lacks such knowledge and intelligence, one remains ignorant that one is not good at that task. This includes political judgment.
 
"We have found this pattern in logical reasoning, grammar, emotional intelligence, financial literacy, numeracy, firearm care and safety, debate skill [my emphasis], and college coursework. Others have found a similar lack of insight among poor chess players, unskilled medical lab technicians, medical students unsuccessfully completing an obstetrics/gynecology rotation, and people failing a test on performing CPR.
 
"This syndrome may well be the key to the Trump voter—and perhaps even to the man himself. ..."
Robert Wendell Added Jan 1, 2017 - 9:51pm
Funny! I just now notice that the article's author is Dunning. Here's some more juicy stuff from his article:
 
"Thus, all told, it was the political lean of the fact that mattered much more than its truth-value in determining whether respondents believed it. And endorsing partisan facts both true and false led to perceptions that one was an informed citizen, and then to a greater likelihood of voting. ..."
 
Then later at the very end:
"Thomas Jefferson once observed that 'if a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.' The Trump phenomenon makes visible something that has been true for quite some time now. As a citizenry, we can be massively ill-informed. Yet, our society remains relatively free.
 
"How have we managed so far to maintain what Jefferson suggested could never be? And how do we ensure this miracle of democracy continues? This is the real issue. And it will be with us far after the Trumpian political revolution or reality TV spectacle, depending on how you see it, has long flickered off the electronic screens of our cultural theater."
Robert Wendell Added Jan 1, 2017 - 9:53pm
Chris, Borsher is an extreme case of the Dunning-Kruger Effect on just about any life issue you want to pick.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 2, 2017 - 11:20am
Wendell sends me scurrying to Wikipedia once again, the result being that I find that Dunning and Kruger seem to have suffered from the very syndrome they identified; a common enough occurrence, to be sure, as in: it takes one to know one. I will admit to having a bit of a superiority complex, but with much of what I have to deal with on WB that should come as no surprise to anyone with the even the tiniest amount of perception; as in: it should be intuitively obvious to the most casual observer.
Chris Crawford Added Jan 2, 2017 - 11:24am
Mr. Borsher, do you deny the reality of the Dunning-Kruger Effect? It seems to be very well supported by experimental evidence.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 2, 2017 - 11:34am
Of course I don't deny it, 0bama is one of the best examples of it; but Dubya was an even better example, and should be the poster boy for it.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 2, 2017 - 11:55am
Chicago achieve a 60 minutes special on murders and violence. 
There is a connection to it and a photo that has to be seen.  I have included the information presented in the story below:
PS 33 shooting by 1/2, on par.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-gun-violence-murder-victims-march-michigan-avenue/
"Rev. Michael Pfleger, a Chicago priest, organized the memorial.

“The reason we’re on Michigan Avenue is because this is a Chicago problem,” Pfleger said. “And until everybody in Chicago decides it’s their problem we’re not going to end it.” 
The Chicago Police Department said in a statement early on Sunday that 2016 witnessed “an unacceptable rise in violence.” There were 762 murders, 3,550 shooting incidents and 4,331 shooting victims in the year alone, the department said.
The rise in violence is similar to increases in other major cities nationwide including San Diego, Boston, San Antonio, San Jose, Austin, Memphis and Indianapolis, the department said, citing reports from the Brennan Center for Justice and the University of Chicago Crime Lab. Attacks on Chicago Police Department officers nearly doubled last year, which also reflects nationwide trends, the department said.
Officers made 10 percent more gun arrests in 2016 than in 2015, and they recovered 8,300 guns -- a 20 percent increase from the year prior, the Chicago Police Department said."
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 2, 2017 - 12:06pm
Another article points out that the police killed 25 people about .6% and they were justified.    This is what one mother said on 60 minutes about her son's death in the summer.  27 shooting occurred in that area since.  (the gang member shot because her son and some friends was on his turf, they were talking)  She did not accept the reason for the 80% reduction in police activity from the chief.  
 
The guns taken off the street are not registered to the person carrying them.   New York City used the federal court to lock up the carriers because the jail time was longer.   The Police Chief complained that one of the major issues is that liberal judges give short jail terms.  A revolving door of criminals.  jails may be over crowded but as I have said that parents do not like to go to funeral.  I am sure they would choose longer jail time if it saves lives.
Dino Manalis Added Jan 2, 2017 - 1:09pm
Maybe, Obama would like to become a community organizer once again!   Chicago needs stronger law enforcement and stop and question anyone about anything, because that's how to stop; prevent; and solve crimes, as well as monitor suspects.  Social services should be an integral part of law enforcement.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 2, 2017 - 1:17pm
It's a catch-22: they run from the police because they are afraid of the police, but they should never run from the police. And police assassinations were so numerous last year that applications are way down. Looks like the criminals are winning, even though most of them exhibit the D-K Effect.
Chris Crawford Added Jan 2, 2017 - 3:59pm
US prisons don't seem to be doing much good: we have the highest incarceration rate in the developed world AND the highest murder rate in the developed world. 
At least we're Number 1 in something...
George N Romey Added Jan 2, 2017 - 4:04pm
I find it laughable when others describe Obama as a Progressive.  He is anything but.  His true identity is a neoliberal and a friend of Wall Street, big Pharma, corporations and the MIC.  The pathetic social justice warriors, not true Progressives by any stretch, just can't accept that Obama is a liar, a fake, and a fraud.  Just like they can't get over the defeat of HRC, another fraud that tried to pass as a Progressive.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 2, 2017 - 4:27pm
Speaking of the 2nd Amendment:
 
So much for gun control
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 2, 2017 - 4:59pm
George I define Obama as a Marxist which does have some similar beliefs of Fabian Socialist, Democratic Socialist, and Progressives in decreasing order.  Obama mentors include Marxist Frank Marshall Davis and Saul Alinsky by study (PS Montor to Hillary Rodham v.a. thesis).  I am not including the church and activist in Chicago he worked with. 
Chris Crawford Added Jan 2, 2017 - 5:04pm
So we have Mr. Romey accusing Mr. Obama of being a stooge of capitalism, and Mr. Sutrina accusing him of being a Marxist.
How typical.
George N Romey Added Jan 2, 2017 - 5:19pm
Obama is first and foremost a con artist.  That is why people see him differently.  I doubt Marx would want anything to do with the man. Do some research on Obama and you find that Wall Street vaulted him into office in 2008 because he was going to be the stooge they could fully exploit to quickly get back on easy street with no collateral damage, or in other words any crooked banker going to jail while again making billions on a casino economy.
 
Conservatives have been fooled to thinking he was this ultra socialist liberal, liberals that we was a Progressive.  Obama was one first and foremost about his own self ego and then all of his rich friends that made him feel all so special.  
Steve Borsher Added Jan 2, 2017 - 5:39pm
0bama was everyone's stooge. He gave a "well spoken with no detectable Negro dialect, unless he wanted one" speech for John Kerry, which the DIMs latched on to, and vaulted him over Kerry into the presidency. Talk about some perfect irony. 
Steve Borsher Added Jan 2, 2017 - 5:43pm
I wonder who bought off the Nobel Prize committee to get 0bama some minimal creds to be in the running. That prize is forever sullied in my mind, as is the Medal of Freedom award that 0bama holds the record for giving out. His favorite part of the job was bring Master of Ceremonies in Chief. He put the buff in buffoon.
Chris Crawford Added Jan 2, 2017 - 5:47pm
Jeez, you guys are hopeless. I have to write a piece on the importance of evidence.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 2, 2017 - 6:27pm
"I'm just looking for clues at the scene of the crime", and they aren't hard to find. How much more evidence do you need beyond that Trump got elected? Does that not impress you as one of the biggest voter backlashes ever? Yes, people loved 0bama; just not as a president and leader.
Robert Wendell Added Jan 2, 2017 - 6:38pm
They twist non-evidence to make it seem to be evidence, but only to twisted minds like theirs  Some of the things in the last series of posts might as well have originated in an insane asylum. It's about that close to reality.
Robert Wendell Added Jan 2, 2017 - 6:52pm
Borsher: " ...I find that Dunning and Kruger seem to have suffered from the very syndrome they identified..."
 
Then later in answer to Chris as to whether the D-K Effect is real:
 
Chris: "...do you deny the reality of the Dunning-Kruger Effect? It seems to be very well supported by experimental evidence."
 
Borsher replies: "Of course I don't deny it, ..."
 
So what was your point in the first statement above, Borsher? Looks like too many words with no purpose whatsoever except to attack any and all evidence you don't like whenever you get what you fecklessly perceive as a chance. I think you are the "poster boy" for the D-K Effect. You win that one in spades. Your candidates can't even remotely compare.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 2, 2017 - 7:14pm
Chris, I do not fake statement like Obama is a Marxist.  He is not a capitalist, but he does believe in class society and wants to be in the upper class which takes money. So he is willing to work with capitalist to get his cut.  But his effort is straight Marxism.  Here goes Chris.  I do not bluff: Sept. 2, 2008 "But Alinsky’s son, L. David Alinsky, credits Obama for “learning his lesson well” from the Communist guru. ... Says Alinsky’s son L. David Alinsky of his father’s influence at the Dem Convention: “ALL the elements were present: the individual stories told by real people of their situation and hardships, the packed-to-the rafters crowd, the crowd’s chanting of key phrases and names, the action on the spot of texting and phoning to show instant support and commitment to jump into the political battle, the rallying selections of music, the setting of the agenda by the power people.”
“The Democratic National Convention had all the elements of the perfectly organized event, Saul Alinsky style, the Communist guru’s son wrote in a letter published yesterday in the Boston Globe."  http://canadafreepress.com/article/saul-alinskys-son-obama-learned-his-lesson-well
 
Things reached a critical mass in late 1956, when Davis was summoned
to Washington to testify on a decade and a half of work and association with
Communists, Communist fronts, and Communist causes. 
Liberals today—including the leading Obama biographers— try to portray Frank Marshall Davis as a benign civil rights fighter who was an unfair victim of McCarth. ... Frank Marshall Davis eventually influenced Barack Obama, beginning in 1970 and continuing throughout Obama’s adolescence. It was Obama’s maternal grandfather, Stanley Dunham, who introduced the pair, seeking in
Davis the father figure and role model that Obama lacked at home." http://spectator.org/34799_dreams-frank-marshall-davis/
 
Frank Marshall Davis is also connected to Obama through Valerie Jarrett.  In 1983, Jarrett’s son, Dr. William Robert Jarrett, married a young woman named
Valerie Bowman.  Where Robert is the son of Vernon Jarrett.  Davis is involved in the 'Citizen's Committee to Aid Packing-House Workers' where Jarrett became nationally known.   David Axelrod also has roots in the crowd Davis and Jarrett moved in.  And Robert Taylor another member is Valerie's Maternal grandfather.  What a web was made in Chicago Communist circles.  See the same article above.
Robert Wendell Added Jan 2, 2017 - 7:14pm
Chris, the evidence for the absurd way some of the minds here malfunction is right here on this page for any halfwit to notice. The malfunctioning minds don't notice, of course, because they're quarterwits. The metaphorical self-testing startup routines for the metaphorical chips in their minds simply don't work.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 2, 2017 - 8:15pm
I can allow that people who exhibit the D-K Effect can discover things; especially what they suffer from themselves. It's called "reaching your level of incompetence". Most politicians operate at that level, for instance, as previously mentioned.
 
Robert Wendell Added Jan 2, 2017 - 10:20pm
So you assert that your motive for mentioning that in the context in which you did, Borsher, was its total irrelevance?
Robert Wendell Added Jan 2, 2017 - 10:22pm
Addendum: Of course, it makes perfect sense for someone with your mindset to have such an irrelevant motivation, Borsher, except I don't think you're being honest.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 3, 2017 - 9:41am
It's called comedy, Wendell, and comedy is often based upon irrelevance; which makes you a very funny guy.
Robert Wendell Added Jan 3, 2017 - 12:08pm
Ha-ha-ha! I actually like this reply! There's a first for everything, as they say.
Steve Borsher Added Jan 3, 2017 - 1:27pm
With all our differences, at least we can keep our senses of humor; as different as those may also be. Sally forth into the new year; and a prime one at that.
Mike Haluska Added Jan 3, 2017 - 2:35pm
Wendell has long ago abandoned any of the principles of legitimate debate, which is why he has become both an infrequent and irrelevant poster/author.  All of his commentary involves insulting the opponent or trying to delegitimize them.  In Wendell's "analysis" it is impossible for his opponent to make a valid point because he is so vastly superior to the rest of us intellectually.  Proof of his "superiority" is the Math Ribbon he won in 8th grade! 

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