Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation, Shall It? BBC and all of that...

"Nation shall speak peace unto nation" is the Motto of the beloved British Broadcasting Company. To say the least its serving up of the "news" is, at best, lacking and feeble and, at worst, deliberately designed to feed the war machine; in contemporary times this implies feeding the myth of Islamic terrors which will happen in our British Isles or Europe or America.....unless we do something.
 
The war machine is served by having inadequate individuals, such as the latest "attacker" outside Le Louvre launch themselves into what they "believe" to be Allah's directive. That some Imam or politician or perceived ISIS person has put into this individual's head that he or she will be serving Allah's will by doing so, is entirely missed out when news is presented. That some Imam or other is living a very respectable and very rich life whilst finding the "fodder" for the attacks of desperation, is also left out. That the war machine is being fully served is entirely missed out of the news print or presentations. The actions of these unhinged individuals help to feed the fear of ordinary people, justify the war-making and war-selling industry which then is allowed to go into full swing again, with the blessing of the people.
 
Intellectually challenged and self-seeking people then, like Marine le Penn, Geert Wilders, Nigel Farrage and others in a long list, are given pure golden evidence for their campaigns of hate having "proof" that segregation and discrimination and controlling borders is the "right" way.
 
Saudi Arabia was not included in Mr. Trump's ban on people coming into the US. Saudi is currently involved in subjugating and killing people in the Yemen. The planes and the bombs and the guns are freely available and there is no end to these supplies. And, of course, the major families in the US, including the Cheneys, the Bushes, the Clintons....get richer and richer. It is in their interests to feed the war machine. Similarly in the UK, the Blairs, the Majors, the Kinnocks, the Millibands even.....do not seek to dispel the myths at all, but are extremely well-served by ensuring that the nations' masses are not well-informed.
 
When are we all going to wake up, smell the coffee and see the war machine for what it really is? When are these idiots who think that by shooting people in a night club or attacking a policeman with a knife is going to solve the real issues? If you are ignorant enough to believe that you will die and go to heaven and get lots of sex with virgins and that Allah will be there waiting for you with a smile, then you must be ignorant enough and selfish enough not to realise that you are making the plight of refugees stuck in camps in Greece and off the coast of Australia in Nauru utterly hopeless; worse still, their being subject to abuse and neglect is then justified to the world. We can forget them, justifiably even!
 
That these general ignorami (known as "terrorists" in media terms) are incapable of understanding just what it is that they are really doing, I can almost accept. But that our "beloved" BBC whose motto is "Nation shall speak peace unto nation" is part of this very real war machine is something that any body out there who considers themselves anywhere near intelligent should start realising fast.

Comments

Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 6, 2017 - 8:04am
@ Eileen. "If you are ignorant enough to believe that you will die and go to heaven and get lots of sex with virgins and that Allah will be there waiting for you with a smile, then you must be ignorant enough and selfish enough not to realise that you are making the plight of refugees stuck in camps in Greece and off the coast of Australia in Nauru utterly hopeless; worse still, their being subject to abuse and neglect is then justified to the world. We can forget them, justifiably even!"
 
Some religions advance the notion that the creator will come and destroy the more than 5 billion people who did not listen to him, and the few who did will be taken up to heaven and live in paradise forever, drinking milk and honey.  Some religions have it that the chosen are already accounted for, yet they go out and try to convert more people. Ignorance? Perhaps I misread my scriptures and it is that the unbelievers will be roasted alive every single day for eternity.  (We will not accept cruel and unusual punishment from men, but we will from God).
 
So with such a choice, I can understand why some would choose a religion offering 72 virgins after death.  A paradox is how they currently cruelly treat virgins and revirginized women.  That is ignorance. Ignorance abounds, the American people accepted a leader who advanced ignorance while campaigning. It served their purpose and it rejected the press of which you spoke.
Ignorance abounds, the American people accepted a leader who advanced ignorance while campaigning. It served their purpose, and it rejected the press of which you spoke.
 
We become desensitized to the suffering of the Palestinians, the Syrians, and the Somalians, if western powers and their friends are doing the killing, and for the fact the vaporizing of a 1000 people with bombs is shown as a video game.  So we are made to believe oppressed people fighting for liberation who behead 10 westerners are more horrible than a person who dropped the bomb to maintain domination.
 
Perhaps, Crusades, Inquisitions, and such are coming home to roost.  I am truly glad that these are not the times when the American settlers were rising up for liberation from Britain, Blacks were fighting for liberation in South Africa, nor when Black Americans were seeking their Civil Rights. If they were, the British, for example, merely had had to say "Terrorists," and the petrified settlers would roll over and asked to remain under British oppression rather than be branded with the "T" word. 
 
 
Note.
Eileen, I have an unorthodox way of relating complex issues. Perhaps it emerged from having to restrict my syntaxin to three letter words to simplify things for students to comprehend.  The approach serves me well here, as there are some ready to pounce, having not read for comprehension.  However, not to insult the intelligence of the critical thinkers here, I interlace my narrative with subtle and multiple meanings.
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 6, 2017 - 8:39am
Thank you Dr. Green.  
 
"Ignorance abounds, the American people accepted a leader who advanced ignorance while campaigning. It served their purpose and it rejected the press of which you spoke." you wrote, but I do not specifically mean the press in relation to a single issue.  I refer to the general media and the dumbing down of people's intellect, the very clear drive to keep people dumb on the underlying causes.  Short news items interspersed with advertising and without depth.
 
If I would have believed as a young person that in the 21st Century we would still be blaming groups of people for problems - instead of seeing it all in a context of the world's power and its manipulations and learning from history and evolving as higher human beings especially given our access to information - then probably I would have been far less optimistic as a character! I suppose the Nelson Mandelas in this world are very few and far between - but he spent 27 years in a gaol and he developed far beyond, in his being, what he was as a young terrorist. He had something to offer the world of real value and he had no wish for self aggrandisement. 
 
I like your unorthodoxy. Thanks again.
 
George N Romey Added Feb 6, 2017 - 9:56am
Long answer is we need to extract ourselves from that part of the world. They do not share our values or want Democratic rule.  Its a fool's errand and we will never win.  We will just continue to spend trillions and send American poor kid's to be the sacrificial lambs. Let's fortify our borders and let the Middle East sort their own problem.
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 6, 2017 - 10:05am
But that is neither the driver no the truth about why the wars are being waged out there. They are being waged to create wealth for the few and keep the control of power in the world to the few. The Middle East's problems are ours because the politicians have made it that way and the industrialists make a lot of money out of it (industrialist/politician = same thing often).
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 6, 2017 - 10:13am
The point being, George, that your view is conditioned by the media and its presentation of the world view. That the problem is them and not us. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 6, 2017 - 10:26am
"I suppose the Nelson Mandelas in this world are very few and far between - but he spent 27 years in a gaol and he developed far beyond, in his being, what he was as a young terrorist."
 
Ahh. So there can be good terrorists?  The people trying to stop an oil pipeline from running under a river are labeled terrorists.
 
Your choice of the label "Terroist" is interesting.  Mandella is revered the world as a freedom fighter.  Surely the current and potential Mandellas will be forthrightly described as terrorists and have the world gunning for them.  I can imagine Trump describing the Pink Pussies, that stood up, as terrorists; thus, in terror, have them rushing back to sit in their boxes.
 
Is it because we have labeled the Palestinian terrorists why the world watches in silence at thier downpression and humiliation? Sort of how people are asking how in the world the German people sat back and let what happened to the Jewish people occurred?.
 
I quite understand the action of the American press in their dumbing down of the people, and their complicity in the pussification of men ( I watch the Brit for quality news). You see the American media men giggling like Cheshire cats and running like the star of Mission Impossible
 
Are you being modest in feinting knowledge of the "Brave New World or 1984," or is it that you cannot believe that some of the predictions have occurred?  If you need further convincing, place a picture of a buzzard ready to tear an emaciated almost dead  African child, put out to die, apart and see if the majority will not respond with a like, instead of writing a word of outrage.  Media complicity in the dumbing down of the masses ala Brave New World.  And here is a significant reason for Trump's victory: Rebellion against the press.
 
 
Billy Roper Added Feb 6, 2017 - 10:51am
I agree with you that more Muslim countries should be added to the ban list. You never have answered my question in a previous discussion, though. Why do you feel that the demographic replacement of Europeans, and nonWhite Muslims becoming a majority in White nations, is a good thing?
Billy Roper Added Feb 6, 2017 - 10:56am
Are you a transsexual? I only ask because there seems to be a confusion of pronouns here:
 


James DeWeese
Founder, Editor in Chief - The Vaughan Review/Nutshell


This is a great guy. He has integrity, humour, commitment, depth, a studious bent -as has always been his wont - and a great personality. I will always wish him very well.

October 26, 2016, Eileen worked directly with James at Vaughan Systems
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 6, 2017 - 11:16am
@ Billy. " Are you a transsexual? I only ask because there seems to be a confusion of pronouns here:" 
 
That's hitting in the nether region. If you seek an answer to your question because of a research you are undertaking, then rhetorical finesse must be employed.
 
Dino Manalis Added Feb 6, 2017 - 11:34am
Peace and stability should be the centerpiece of foreign policy, it's better for all nations, it helps consumer and business confidence and spending.
William Stockton Added Feb 6, 2017 - 11:48am
@Eileen de Bruin, "But that is neither the driver nor the truth about why the wars are being waged out there. They are being waged to create wealth for the few and keep the control of power in the world to the few."
 
You have a long way yet to go in making this case.  Who are the few?  Names are necessary.  Where is the money trail?  
 
Listen, I agree with you that there are many war drum beaters, as leaders in the world today are creating immeasured responses to violence.  Additionally, I do not believe peace at any cost.  Some (re)action is required to an obvious religious dogma that uses brutal violence as an advertisement.  Sweden, the rape capital of the world, is a good example of pathological appeasement having gone epidemic.
 
The world is trying to find an appropriate response to a religion problem and additional problems created by another sickness being pathological empathy.
 
We are not going to fix a violence problem by generously and pathologically serving our cultures up to religious ideologies that would sooner have us putting a bag over our women and throwing gays off our buildings.
George N Romey Added Feb 6, 2017 - 12:18pm
No my view is based upon the fact that people in that part of the world do not, never have, and never will share our values.  To try to enforce our values is fruitless.  We have our own country to contend with and enough problems.  As Ron Paul correctly assessed many years ago they are coming here to attack us because we are over there meddling in their affairs.  Just like Vietnam, bring the troops home and stop this insanity.  
Billy Roper Added Feb 6, 2017 - 2:28pm
And, they don't share our values when they invade our nations by the millions, either, making it impossible to enforce our values in our own nations.
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 7, 2017 - 7:11am
William Stockton:  the case being made is the same one as it ever has been. The few with power and wealth control the masses. The means thereof is by lack of education, religious intolerance or defining the enemy as someone is not "like" we are. The power people are at the heads of government and behind them - the industrialists especially those in the war industry. The war industry is huge and "our" economies thrive on it but there has to be victims and refugees and immigrants and cannon-fodder from "our" nations. In the 21st century, it is high time that we learned and knew and understood that blaming "them" is devoid of common sense.
 
George Romney: how do we know what values other people have? If we have our "own" country to contend with then we should stop  making war in other peoples' countries to make the money that keeps "our" economies going. In fact, your statement that you have your own country to contend with.....bring the troops home....
is contradictory in that the politics and the industrialists and the economies thrive on the same old historical repetitions of might and power and control, which needs people and masses dumbed down to follow their leaders.
 
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 7, 2017 - 7:12am
Billy Roper:  who is invading by the millions?  What enforceable values?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 7, 2017 - 7:43am
@Eileen.
 
"In fact, your statement that you have your own country to contend with.....bring the troops home....
is contradictory in that the politics and the industrialists and the economies thrive on the same old historical repetitions of might and power and control, which needs people and masses dumbed down to follow their leaders."
 
That is why they have Gladiators performing in the coliseums. Give them sports to keep the masses dumbed down. Now they have social media, where a like is a substitute for critical thinking that would result in a written word.
 
 
 
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 7, 2017 - 8:25am
Dr. Green:  yes!
 
This is the way of the world. Should we live in it and not of it? Should we live in it and of it? Should we learn and become wise? Should we try to convince everyone else?  Should we kill people who do not conform to our own idea of ourself? Or should we realise that each of us has our own journey or realisation and wisdom to accomplish? That we are but actors upon a stage which is here for a short time?  Now that is going into spirituality.
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 7, 2017 - 8:55am
 
Spirituality regarding our existence can be seen in following.
 
The mayfly is often listed as the shortest-lived creature, as adult mayflies only live for a day or less after breaking free from the cocoon.
 
However, the adult phase of the mayfly is only the last part of its lifespan. The naiad, or nymph, stage of a mayfly's life can last well over a year.
 
In a similar manner, we spend about 9 months in the womb, reluctantly breaking free, then spend about 80 years on Earth, the latter part worrying/fearing death, not realizing the caterpillar's metamorphosis informs us of the next stage of existence.
 
@ Eileen. "Should we learn and become wise? Should we try to convince everyone else?"
 
Plato's Analogy of the Cave informs us regarding preceding.
Those in a darkened cave beneath the earth lived their entire lives based in a sliver of light that came through and the shadows they cast on the walls.  One man having escaped the cave and beheld the sun was the source of light, and other truth, went back to inform his colleges regarding his new found knowledge.
 
They promptly turned on him and killed him. We need to be careful when we act in a way that upset a people's reality, notwithstanding how well intentioned our action/motive.
 
 
 
Billy Roper Added Feb 7, 2017 - 11:03am
He doesn't want to answer the question about his transsexual status. Ugh.
 
Muslims and nonWhites are invading Europe and the U.S. and other White-founded nations by the millions. Western European values are being destroyed. Hey, man, your solipsism is showing.
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 7, 2017 - 12:06pm
Dr. Green:  it is true. And Plato had to drink the hemlock because the authorities didn't want him around. He made them uncomfortable so he had to go or else the order would be disturbed.
 
Billy: No, there is no invasion going on from these people.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 7, 2017 - 12:20pm
@Eileen. Was it not Socrates who had to drink the hemlock for making the worse better
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 7, 2017 - 12:22pm
@Billy. He doesn't want to answer the question about his transsexual status. Ugh.
 
Why the fuck does that matter? Are you equivocating on your sexuality? 
 
Ari Silverstein Added Feb 7, 2017 - 3:46pm
That’s quite a conspiracy theory you developed.  Correct me if I’m wrong but you believe Bill and Hillary are profiting from the civil war in Yemen and elsewhere?  In other words, they put money above human lives? 
 
I have very little good things to say about either Bill or Hillary but not for one second would I think such a terrible thing.  Do you have any evidence?  Does Obama profit from war as well?
Billy Roper Added Feb 7, 2017 - 4:02pm
If people can't figure out what gender they are, and rebel against that most basic aspect of their nature, then their opinions on other issues with which they might not be expected to be as familiar would necessarily be suspect.
 
Demographic replacement has the same end result as an invasion and genocide. It's just harder to fight against.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 7, 2017 - 4:22pm
@ Billy. If people can't figure out what gender they are, and rebel against that most basic aspect of their nature....  
 
While you have a point that needs to be fleshed out to ascertain its validity, to currently entertain a discussion regarding same would serve to take away from the enlightening discussion at hand.
 
Are you willing to set up a discussion on same so we can determine which end is up and how many teeth are in the horse's butt, being that is a subject that would tickle your(s).... (:' )?
 
 
Billy Roper Added Feb 7, 2017 - 4:27pm
Nah, your people like to keep things on the down low, I'll let you look into, or over, what seems obvious, that this anti-White freak is a he-she.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 7, 2017 - 4:39pm
@ Billy. "Nah, your people like to keep things on the down low, I'll let you look into, or over, what seems obvious, that this anti-White freak is a he-she."
 
Very nice response in general, except for the intolerance. My peeps?  You people?  Anyway, I will cease this exchange, being cognizant of the astute manner in which you can sidetrack a discussion. See you in some other room. One Love.
 
 
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 8, 2017 - 4:09am
Dr. Green: yes, sorry Socrates drank the hemlock. Plato, his student, wrote of it. I apologise. 
 
Ari Silverstein: Are you kisdding me? Hilary Clinton received more backing from arms companies than from any other!  She even has connections to ISIS! The US sells over half the world's arms. Even Bernie Sanders is on the top ten list of senators receiving money from arms companies. Check all of this out for yourself via Open Secrets and wikileaks. Just look up war companies and Clintons if you do not trust wikileaks, there is much, more to read.
 
"All but one of the world’s 10 biggest arms producers have contributed to Clinton’s previous campaigns, giving her – along with the top Republican receiver Ted Cruz – a significant margin over the other candidates.
The numbers, collected by the Federal Election Commission and compiled by Open Secrets, also reveal that Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders make the list of top 20 senators and top six presidential candidates to receive money from arms and defense companies."
 
"U.S. President Barack Obama's administration has offered Saudi Arabia more than $115 billion in weapons, other military equipment and training, the most of any U.S. administration in the 71-year U.S.-Saudi alliance, a report seen by Reuters has found."
 
The Obama administration has brokered more arms deals than any other. He went from peace prize winner to biggest arms broker. Source: Fortune.
 
There is so much out there, you do not need me to send you the links, honestly.
 
 
 
 
Billy Roper Added Feb 8, 2017 - 8:14am
Yes, based on the Linked In evidence and its refusal to answer the question, it's a tranny. Ugh.
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 8, 2017 - 4:40pm
Actually, America seems to be intent on war. 
http://time.com/24735/here-are-the-5-companies-making-a-killing-off-wars-around-the-world/
 
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/04/how-corporate-lobbyists-conquered-american-democracy/390822/
 
Actually, Britain seems to be intent on war too.
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/UK-Government-A-Warmonger-a-Racist-and-a-Colonial-Apologist-20160714-0011.html
 
And, the BBC is part of the warmongering, which is where I began this thread. How dare the BBC retain its motto"Nation shall speak peace unto nation".  It is a sham. I rest my case.
 
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-ccb6-The-BBCs-love-in-with-warmongers/#.WJuK-BIrKV4
Ari Silverstein Added Feb 8, 2017 - 4:47pm
I’m serious as cancer.  If Hillary received more backing from arms companies than any other, I’d love to first see your proof.  After providing this proof, please explain how you know she entered us in wars for personal financial gain and not because she felt military engagement was a necessary endeavor.  I believe sending our military into harms way is the most difficult decision any politician makes. 
 
What connection is there with Hillary and ISIS?
 
As it relates to proof, I want the link so I can ascertain for myself if I believe your accusations are credible.  Writing “see fortune” provides nothing of value to this conversation.
 
For the record, receiving campaign financing from arms dealers, is evidence of nothing but the fact arms dealers behave like any other major industry.  Also, brokering arms deals is a way to keep our military at home and let our allies do the fighting for us. 
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 8, 2017 - 5:12pm
Ari Silverstein, here are just a few... but it is endless.  The ISIS link is the penultimate one in this list - the last one on this list, is about being a war criminal under international law. Your last paragraph and final sentence simply does not make sense at all. The arms dealers are paying Mrs. Clinton to make sure that they sell their stuff, see this for yourself:
 
"Weapons manufacturers support Hillary Clinton more than any other presidential candidate...........including republicans" - See more at (& source):
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/weapons-manufacturers-support-hillary-clinton-more-than-any-other-presidential-candidate/#sthash.j5SAz6k1.dpuf
 
"Hillary Clinton has received more money from arms and military service companies than any other candidate during the 2016 presidential campaign, data from Open Secrets shows.
ANALYSIS:
Report: US Still Sells over Half the World's Arms
All but one of the world’s 10 biggest arms producers have contributed to Clinton’s previous campaigns, giving her – along with the top Republican receiver Ted Cruz – a significant margin over the other candidates.
The numbers, collected by the Federal Election Commission and compiled by Open Secrets, also reveal that Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders make the list of top 20 senators and top six presidential candidates to receive money from arms and defense companies."
Source
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Clinton-Tops-List-of-Arms-Company-Donations-20151214-0002.html
 
"Hillary Clinton - Secretary of War.   ......Today, Clinton supports the Obama administration’s reversal of its plans to withdraw all troops from Afghanistan. This means continuing the misery and violence of a US occupation that Clinton helped escalate during her years as secretary of state.
In 2009, Clinton stood with Defense Secretary Robert Gates, a Republican, and called for thirty thousand more troops in Afghanistan. US officials said the aim of the surge was to stabilize Afghanistan, turn back the Taliban, and bring the war to an end.
But it did the opposite. Two years after the increase in US troops — and ten years after the initial invasion — Afghanistan was still mired in chaos, suffering through a jump in attacks on Afghan civilians and aid workers.
The real motivation for the surge wasn’t to hasten the end of the US military presence, much less bring democracy to the Afghan people. It was to tighten the US’s grip. The resulting violence and war hardly factored into the decision."
Source
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/hillary-clinton-secretary-state-war-drones/
 
"Hillary Clinton Never Met A War She Didn't Want Other Americans To Fight"
Source
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/26/wannabe-global-dominatrix-hillary-clinton-never-met-a-war-she-didnt-want-other-americans-to-fight/#3485b1ab6aa9
 
"Hillary Is the Candidate of the War Machine"
Source
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-is-the-candidate_b_9168938.html
 
"WikiLeaks: Hillary Clinton Served On Board Of Company With ISIS Ties"
Source
http://www.mintpressnews.com/hillary-clinton-served-on-the-board-of-a-company-who-funds-is/219060/
 
"Hillary Clinton was a key architect of the disastrous NATO intervention in Libya and is a war criminal under international law."
Source
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/24/hillarys-war-crime/
 
It is all rather sad reading. Perhaps she can write children's story books when she retires eh?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ari Silverstein Added Feb 9, 2017 - 12:26am
Your first link about contributions to Hillary’s campaign from defense contracts proves nothing for several reasons:
 
1) When you first said Hillary was the largest recipient you didn’t mention it was as of February of 2016.  In February of 2016, the only viable candidate for President was Hillary.  The Republican race was very much undecided.  Meaning, no single candidate would have received a large contribution. 
 
2) If you totaled all the Republicans and compared them to Hillary, the Republicans would be higher. 
 
3) You also didn’t mention she was the largest recipient when compared to other 2016 presidential candidates.  You made it seem like she was the largest recipient amongst Bush, Bill, Obama and all the other big names.
 
4) Hillary is a millionaire.  $155,340 buys nothing by way of influence. 
 
5) There is nothing in your link which shows that Hillary would put a man in harm’s way so that she can personally profit. 
 
With the first link thoroughly debunked, there is no reason to look into your other, most likely meaningless, links either.  
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 9, 2017 - 4:24am
Just one moment Ari - by dismissing every other link because the first link you decided to determine as unreliable or inconclusive then it implies that you do not wish to seek further.  I have provided available links to sources - and there are many.  I have not gone through each source and done a relationship evidence tally to other links of news or records - and certainly not based on your own list - which I did not have.
All of the items you list seem to be some kind of your own judgement /scrutiny list. Number 5, in particular, is nonsense - proved by only superficial reading of general news. That many, many innocent people are at the receiving end of war tactics and war machinery as a direct result of Hillary's (known as the Secretary for War and that is not my title for her) interventions is almost common knowledge.  Digging only slightly deeper reveals a story that has shocked me to the core - especially as having a woman in the White House was seen as some kind of movement away from warmongering - and left me thinking that whilst Trump is unorthodox and seemingly unhinged, it is unlikely that he could do so much damage as she has before she (n)ever even got to be President.  Number 4 - this is rather an irrelevant statement because it doesn't matter how rich some people are (as you must have seen in your life especially in the US) the drive goes on because, ultimately, it is about world status and power.
 
You could also do your own research Ari, it is really all out there, as you must know. I would be pleased to have counter evidence and I have no personal axe to grind. What I know about Boris Johnson and Theresa May in the UK gives me absolutely no pride or faith whatsoever, just real concern that these people have such power in the British government.
Joanna Nutile Added Feb 9, 2017 - 9:18am
When are we all going to wake up, smell the coffee and see the war machine for what it really is?
 
The war machine is really what? Since the beginning of man, it’s of extreme importance to protect ourselves from threats from other man.  If one nation is weak, another will topple eventually it.  This has been proven time and time again.  So it’s prudent to have a strong military in the interest of our defense.  It’s also prudent to protect our allies and morally just to defend those that cannot defend themselves.  Obviously the decision to engage one’s military should not be taken lightly, but I get the feeling you think all would be well if we didn’t have a military. 
 
When are these idiots who think that by shooting people in a night club or attacking a policeman with a knife is going to solve the real issues? 
 
I wouldn’t call those people that shoot others for religious or political reasons to be idiots, I’d call them insane and morally challenged.  What does this question have to do with your first question?
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 9, 2017 - 11:59am
Joanna, yes, threats and self-protection.  It is primeval. It is a part of us. But we are also evolving and ostensibly "civilised". If we pursued peace missions - sending in plumbers and builders and teachers instead of arms machinery and soldiers - the spending of money would attain a situation where there was no aggressor to fight against. Ok, that is a rather utopian manner of putting it, but you might get my drift.
 
Individuals who become unhinged by the use of the media and the politicians to single them out as the  potential terrorists, I speak of. By having these "mad" few attacking people and targets in Europe or in America, it helps feed the whole reason for war machine. It helps the warmongers and gives them the reasons which satisfy the public enough to support war. Muslim people who are insane and morally challenged, as you put it, are probably more innocent than the big businesses and politicians (Christian people who are insane and morally challenged would you say?) including the Bush family and many more (Clintons, etc.), who can manipulate the minds of their nation through the media, as well as spending yet more of the tax payers money on arms as well as finding soldiers from the ordinary people (not their own families).  This is a much greater evil. 
 
The point being that the governments that we have wage war and create the scapegoating to wage yet more wars. What about all of those people now being starved to death in the Yemen, having been bombed and slaughtered already? Saudi Arabia is doing this and the US and the UK are sanctioning this and providing the arms.  What kind of moral insanity is this from we "Christians" then?
 
What does this question have to do with the first question?  That we are definitely not speaking peace. That the BBC is morally bankrupt by deliberately feeding the war mongering. That if the political will were there to seek commonalities and speak peace, then we could have a much more developed world instead of millions of wretched refugees being slaughtered or housed in concentration camps.  But the powerful few win through and argue that "this is the way of the world so we might as well profit from it because nothing will ever change anyway".
 
If God really is an American then he is a war machine - as well as being White, of course.
 
 
 
Ari Silverstein Added Feb 9, 2017 - 8:09pm
The reason I’ve dismissed your other links is because your first link proved to be misleading and not supportive of your argument.  I’m quite certain the others would be more of the same and I only have so much time.  Regarding my fifth point, because Hillary received $155,000 from defense contractors does not mean she would send people into harm’s way.  The mere suggestion that Hillary values human lives less than $155,000 is ridiculous.
 
You’ve put me in the uncomfortable position of defending one of my most hated politicians.  However, at least I can support the reasons for disliking her with concrete reasons rather than conspiracy theory and pointless facts about campaign contributions. 
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 10, 2017 - 4:45am
Ari, I have not written the articles.  They are from various, accredited, sources mainly American. In any research, we look for arguments to support the issue or hypothesis, and we look for arguments to dismiss; we also look for articles that cross both sides in inconclusiveness and perhaps whose core subject is an aside to our objective (the hypothesis or issue).  Around all of these, we read between the lines and draw our conclusions.  I have not "made up" any of the links I have sent to you. That Mrs. Clinton has reached the top of her career carries with it a having to "sell out" on personal integrity to some degree. The problem in your government is that it is more and more run by the lobbyists - not the senators - whose business directives direct the senate.  You have some senators in the US who are very poor and who get no money from any organisation! But they are few. It had occurred to me that Hillary Clinton - no matter how she has directed in the past - had the idea to get into power to make real changes at the ground level, so that "selling out" along the way can be forgiven, can't it?  But, in looking deeper, this is a hugely untold story- at least it is a story that needs to be sought out.  No, I do not suggest that Hillary sells out on human lives for the figure you mention; you have to see this in context, it is not just about that one payment. It is about these many years of being in power and having had a say in what happened in Iraq and in Libya and much, much more. These very meddlings created the very enemy that we now apparently must raise more arms against - ISIS! (ISIS is a criminal organisation and its members are not just ignorant islam men, there are many mercenaries from around the world within it. It makes money out of war too, it has accounts.)
Why would all of this put you in an uncomfortable position? You do not have to defend Hillary Clinton to me at all.  I have been looking up the past of various senators during the past few weeks because I was shocked at Trump's election and shocked that Obama seemingly got nowhere with his "yes we can" theme. In the Obama administration, defence spending only increased. In fact, the entire war machine seems to be going into hyperspin with America at its helm. Most "ordinary" Americans, living their lives cannot possibly understand this; they take most people at face value.
 
Ditto in the UK, where the government is seriously unfit for purpose (it does not represent the broad needs of the nation as a whole as its voting system is first past the post), has living conditions harking back to the Victorian era and has MPs whose livelihoods are made by backing the war mongers and to hell with the "small" people (look at Mr. Blair). For the small people, they just need the scapegoats to blame. These are the "foreigner", "immigrant", anyone outside of the British isles except America (special relationship). Oh, and the BBC's motto having long been discarded within this narrow political and media elitist society. Nation shall speak peace unto nation might be a good start for any future government might it?
 
Ari, just look at the facts.  Use the links (which are nothing to do with me remember) and use your own research manner to find out the answers to your questions. This is not a conspiracy theory although your assertion has made me smile, thanks.
 
 
Eileen de Bruin Added Feb 23, 2017 - 12:31pm
Billy Roper - now I know what you are talking about in relations to "trans sexuality"  Your earlier post is:
Are you a transsexual? I only ask because there seems to be a confusion of pronouns here:
James DeWeese
Founder, Editor in Chief - The Vaughan Review/Nutshell

This is a great guy. He has integrity, humour, commitment, depth, a studious bent -as has always been his wont - and a great personality. I will always wish him very well.
October 26, 2016, Eileen worked directly with James at Vaughan Systems"
 
This is my reference, comment on James DeWeese in Linked In.
He and I worked together in 2002-3.  You have been confused. Still, I do not understand why you would feel so enraged by the potentiality.
 
Presumably, you are now clear as to your mistaken interpretation. And I now realise where you got this misunderstanding from - I was certainly confused until I went through the thread again.