Global Thermonuclear War with Russia?

 

Global Thermonuclear War with Russia?

 

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We have to ask ourselves, is this something we want? 

 

The insane hysteria over Russia needs to stop. It probably will not. For reasons of domestic and imperial politics the American public is again being manipulated into a war frenzy by Washington and New York. It is stupid, without justification, and dangerous.

 

The insanity over Russia is, most likely, in part at least, part of the Establishment’s drive to get rid of Trump. Yes, the man is erratic, contradictory, shoots before he aims, –but that is not why Washington, NATO and New York want to get rid of him. It is about money and power, as is virtually everything in the United States.

 

Wall Street, the Pentagon, the Neoconservatives and Neoliberals, and the Empire run the United States. Trump has threatened their rice bowels. 

 

 

Consider:

He has threatened to cut the F-35, a huge blow to Lockheed-Martin and hundreds of subcontractors; to pull US troops out of South Korea, a blow to the Empire; to end the wars, a blow both to the Empire and the military industry getting rich from them; to pull troops out of Okinawa, crippling the Empire in the Pacific; to start a trade war with China with a forty-five percent tariff of Chinese goods, threatening American corporations with factories there; and to chase out illegal immigrants, an important source of cheap labor to businesses.  He has called NATO “obsolete,” when leaving it would be the death knell of the Empire; and threatened to establish good relations with Russia, when the lack of a European enemy would leave NATO even more obviously unnecessary.

 

Thus New York and its branch operation in Washington resuscitate Russia as a bugbear to terrify the rubes, meaning most of the public. Money. Power. Empire.

What sense does this make–apart from money and power?

 

Russia is an economically challenged nation of 145 million, less than half of Europe’s population and much less than half of America’s. Its economy is a small fraction of the combined economies of Europe and America. It is not on a war footing. It is not moving forces into position for an invasion. It is not mobilizing. To satellite photography, to NSA these things would be as obvious as leprosy on a prom queen. The Establishment would be screaming to high heaven if there were the slightest trace of preparation for war. The whole business is manufactured.

 

I frequently see the assertion that Russia “hacked” the election, even though my previous article ("The Russia did NOT Hack the Election Resource") debunks this ridiculous conspiracy theory. 

 

Now I'm even seeing, far more ludicrous theories about Russia hacking voting machines to give the election to President Trump.

 

 

The majority who are excited about this, I suspect the very great majority, have not the foggiest idea what they are talking about. Hacking to most people means something they saw in a movie, with some bright kid going clickety-click-click on a laptop and penetrating NORAD.  It is a vague menace lacking specific content. To them I would say: If you cannot program in assembly language, you do not know how computers work. If you do not know TCP/IP from DHCP, you do not know how the internet works. If you cannot tell a dictionary attack from stack overflow, you don’t have a housefly’s idea how hacking works. If you have not investigated the various kinds of voting machines to see what would be involved in changing their vote totals, you probably ought to take up stamp collecting. 

 

This is all orchestrated. So is the constant Putin bashing. His sin of course is that he doesn’t knuckle under to Washington. It is also the sin of Iran, China, Cuba, and North Korea.

 

The con is often silly. From time to time we see screaming headlines headlines, RUSSIAN BOMBER FLIES OFF AMERICAN COAST!  Or somebody’s coast. Recently it was A SPY SHIP!  The “bomber” is usually a Tu-95 Bear (NATO designation), an ancient four-engine prop job, though a beautiful aircraft, converted for reconnaissance. The idea that Moscow would send one lumbering plane to bomb America is too stupid–well, no, nothing is too stupid.

Tu-95. First flew in 1952. Yes, it can carry nuclear weapons. So can a Volkswagen Jetta.

 

Back to the assertion that Russia "hacked"  the DNC and gave its emails to Wikileaks. This is vaguely possible, but not according to VIPS - see my previous article on Russian Hacking  (And would not revealing misbehavior and actual election tampering be a  service to the voting public?).  Note that many people had an incentive to do it, from disgruntled Democratic insiders to anyone who stood to lose by Hillary’s election or gain by Trump's, to the Trump campaign itself, to the many talented freelancers who just enjoy raising hell. Maybe .1 percent of the population, have the expertise and access even to guess intelligently.

 

If you believe the same intel agencies that lied us into Vietnam and Iraq, and that  apparently are very much involved in anti-Trumpian machinations, you are the Establishment’s ideal citizen. For political reasons, specifically hostility to Trump, they will say anything that suits their purposes. and only inadvertently  include the truth. If this seems an extreme claim, reflect: 

In 1964 the CIA was running various kinds of attacks against North Vietnam, without admitting it. Two intelligence vessels, the Maddox and the Turner Joy, claimed that they had been fired upon by the North. They had not, and if they had been it would not have been unreasonable since the United States was inserting teams of saboteurs into the north. The result, and intention, was to chivy America into wars which devastated three countries and lead to millions of deaths. It worked. Still don't believe me? Try Googling Operation Mockingbird, Operation Condor, and Project Phoenix and get your eyes opened. These are not the "good guys." 

 

After Nine-Eleven, the government, using the intel outfits, deliberately led most of the public to believe that Iraq was developing the dread WMD, and thus get the United States to attack for the benefit of the oil industry, Israel, and the imperial lobby. It was nonsense and Washington had to know  it. At the time Iraq was probably the most watched real estate on the planet. The result was destruction of an innocent country and the bloody mess that is now the Middle East. Which, note, had nothing to do with the interests of the United States or the well-being of its people.

 

All of America’s wars are for the benefit of others than Americans. Do you think you would be made better off by a war with Russia? China? Does the unending butchery in Afghanistan  improve your life? Would you feel more secure if NATO–Washington’s puppet troupe–had bases in Montenegro? Wherever the hell that is?

 

“US to Send 1,000 Troops to Poland to ‘Deter Russia”’The same game is now being played with Russia. Almost daily we read that Washington is sending troops to Poland, Bulgaria, Norway to confront the Russians, who are doing nothing that needs confronting.

Deter it from what?

This morning: “Germany Will Send Tanks to Russian Border.”

A recent move was to  send naval forces to the Black Sea, which is not America’s concern. What, precisely, are those ships supposed to do? Steam fiercely in circles? Do they have a purpose other than domestic American consumption? Are they to attack something, defend something in danger of attack, forbid the Russians to do–what?

 

Russia is not going to invade Europe, and Washington knows it perfectly well, so why put tiny combat forces on its frontiers? If there is going to be a deliberate war, Washington is going to have to start it. Attacking Russia with minor forces, or at all, is probably an idea nuttier than even Washington can invent. One hopes that Europe would not allow Americans to do what they usually do, get others to fight its wars in other people’s countries.

 

The danger with letting  pasty neocons and neoliberals  in New York play with military forces is that brinksmanship, fun for fern-bar Napoleons, can have not-fun consequences. If Washington puts naval forces in Russian waters in the Black Sea, the Russians will feel compelled to shadow the ships, to keep fighters flying overhead. A mistake occurs–mistakes do occur–and one side downs a plane belonging to the other. The wounded side feels obliged to respond. We have a shooting war. In closed waters bordering Russia, the US Navy would not win. Washington would then feel that it had to defend its ego by expanding the war.  Wounded ego is important to the vast combative vanities who so often rise to power.

 

And there is no way to rein in these lunatics. They send the military where they like, attack whoever they choose, and we read about it after it has been done. One could almost wish we had constitutional government. 

 

And I have stated before that a lot of this looks intended. It does to me, that's for sure. Deliberate provocations of war that Moscow can't interpret any other way, even if you can. And really it's not what we believe it's what they believe that counts. They have the nukes and are doing weekly nuclear bomb drills. We have troops and missiles on their boarders. It is enough to worry any sane person who cares about the future. 

 

Consider the following:

 

-Sanctions were recklessly placed on Russia for what essentially amounts to nothing more than outright lies, such as the easily provable lie about Russian invasions and interference in the Ukraine government. When in fact those supposed “invasion” force troops were only in Crimea and have been there for decades at the Russian naval base that has been there since Crimea was a part of Russia back in the Cold War. No other Russian forces were to be found anywhere in Ukraine, period. To call said forces an “invasion” is as delusional as someone calling American naval forces at our base in Cuba an “invasion”. So painfully obviously that to not see this is simply unbelievable. In addition the only interference in the Ukrainian government was done by the United States funded illegal coup in 2014 that installed a fascist Nazi regime (first Nazi regime since the Third Reich — Google Ukraine Nazi Coup for a variety of resources on this) after ousting the democratically elected legal government. Additionally the return of Crimea to Russia followed a democratic vote and choice of the Crimean people. They only exorcized their democratic right of self-determination as established by the United Nations. Just because their choice doesn’t favor American interests doesn’t in anyway make it somehow less valid. The people of Crimea are mostly ethnic Russians and had every reason to fear (more) war crimes levied against them by the racist Ukrainian Nazis. Furthermore Crimea was originally a part of Russia before a Soviet dictator gifted it to Ukraine, which was hardly a democratic act. Crimea’s rightfully return to Russian territory was however through the Democratic process. To oppose it is to oppose democracy itself. Therefore the sanctions were based on lies and are illegal. Trump has known most of these facts for sometime (http://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=Democrats-Promote-Lies-and-by-Jim-Kavanagh-Crimea_Democratic_Democrats_Donald-Trump-160803-212.html) despite how the media portrays him. There is no way possible to believe that Obama and his cronies weren't aware of these facts. Thus the only reason for the sanctions was to increase tensions between nuclear powers and provoke war. 

-There is a historical parallel between the events happening now, with the United States and NATO placing openly hostile troops and missiles on Russia’s boarders today (The US Has Begun Amassing Troops On Russian Border | Zero Hedge -http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-05/us-has-begun-amassing-troops-russian-border 
and- Russia Calls New U.S. Missile Defense System a ‘Direct Threat’ - NYTimes.com -https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/13/world/europe/russia-nato-us-romania-missile-defense.html)and the Soviet Union doing essentially the same thing back in the Cuban Missile Crisis. Yet no one had the unmitigated gall back then to tell Americans (which included the President of the United States then, President Kennedy) that they were somehow absorbed in some kind of “conspiracy” to be legitimately afraid of Soviet provocation of nuclear war. This today is the same situation, if not much worse, but in reverse. Just as it was a clear and obvious provocation of war back then, it is again today. Yet today there are many who like to pretend either it's not really happening, or it doesn't mean what it appears to mean. 

-The “intelligence” community harped endlessly about knowing for sure that Russian hacking occurred. Yet they obviously knew that from the beginning they had nothing. Why provoke nuclear Russia with this nonsense when they knew all the time it was based on lies if not to provoke war? They couldn't use evidence-free accusations to stop Trump from reaching the White House. Nor could they or anyone else use falsified empty claims devoid of proof to impeach him after talking office. Some may think they can, but can they with no proof? So, again, clearly there can be no other explanation than the obvious which is right under our noses. The Democratic and Republican establishment neoliberal and neocon warmonger elites want war with Russia because they can't abide an independent and sovereign Russian state. And the psychopaths in their various think tanks have assured them it's a doable situation. At this point there can hardly be any serious doubt at to their intentions, the evidence is just too damming. At least that's how I see it, and so do many in Russia. 

-Cause and effect. The cause greed, the effect warmongering. The push towards war between nuclear powers didn’t happen overnight. It began with the usual motivation, greed, as mentioned above.  To summarize the greed of the military/security complex trying to justify it’s $1,000 billion dollar a year budget. The bogus "Global War On Terror (GWOT)" wasn’t doing it. So the phoney "Russian threat" was invented. To backup this false threat the "Russian Ukraine invasion" hoax was crafted and ridiculous empty accusations of "Russian aggression". Russia was and is continually demonized by the corporate mainstream media pressitutes who serve as the mouthpieces of Washington, NATO, and the Deep State. Russia responded by activating their own troops and military resources and moving them to their front lines. This plus the fake anti-Russian propaganda caused the Baltic States to fear an actual Russian invasion attempt. Russia continues to be blamed for things there is nothing but evidence-free accusations and ridiculous computer simulations to back such as shooting down the Malaysian Airliner over Ukraine, and massacres of civilians in Syria as opposed to fighting Al-Qaida and ISIL terrorists as they were actually doing. The American and European countries began to actually believe the "Russian threat" was real and began to plan for an actual war with Russia. Now backed by neocon think tanks of the assurances of possible success even in a nuclear conflict the drive to war with Russia is virtually unstoppable, and all attempts to normalize relations with Russia and reduce tensions between nuclear powers are treated as treason (The Did-You-Talk-to-Russians Witch Hunt – Consortiumnews -http://bit.ly/2l76sH9 and: More About Russia and Less About Flynn? | The American Conservative -http://bit.ly/2lUdO2v ).

Meanwhile even with all of this some actually continue to insist that there is no push for war, while at the same time doing everything to promote war and prevent diplomacy, such as the new effort to violate the Iran treaty with Russia and our own allies, and attack without provocation Iran violating international law and the Geneva Convention (Democratic Ex-Dove Proposes War on Iran – Consortiumnews -https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/19/democratic-ex-dove-proposes-war-on-iran/).
Beyond outrageous and transparent to anyone with a triple digit IQ

 

And what about Trump? It only required 24 days for the Deep State to castrate President Donald Trump and terminate the promise that the high tensions with Russia created during the Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes would be terminated by Trump’s presidency.
As Gareth Porter shows conclusively (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46546.htm), the case against General Flynn, Trump’s 24-day National Security Adviser, and by implication against Trump himself, is a fake news creation.

Obama’s CIA director, John Brennan, planted fake reports, none of which contained any evidence whatsoever, on the CIA-compliant media whores known as “presstitutes.” The CIA’s media whores knew that the reports were a CIA response to the threat to the $1,000 billion annual budget of the military/security complex that desperately needs “the Russian threat” for its justification. But the media whores—-principally the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC—-and all the rest as well are more dedicated to serving their CIA master than they are to serving peace between nuclear powers. Interesting, isn’t it, that the US and Western media are more committed to conflict with Russia than they are to peace, despite the brutal fact that 10 percent of the nuclear arsenal of either the US or Russia is sufficient to terminate all life on earth.

As Patrick Lawrence says: “The lights upon us are dimming. We have been more or less abandoned by a press that proves incapable of informing us in anything approaching a disinterested fashion. As suggested, either the media are Clintonian liberals before they are newspapers and broadcasters, or they are servants of power before they serve us.”http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46532.htm

All we have left, says Lawrence, is the alternative media. “To put this simply and briefly, they and we must learn that they are not ‘alternative’ to anything. In the end there is no such thing as ‘alternative media,’ as I often argue. There are only media, and most of ours have turned irretrievably bad.”

The alternative media is the Internet media, websites such as OpEdNews, RT, the Intercept, USAWatchdog, Zero Hedge, Consortiumnews, CounterPunch,  Information Clearing House, Global Research, Unz Review, etc. These independent news sites are under attack. Remember the list of 200 “Russian agents/dupes”? Every source of information that does not subscribe to the Deep States’ Matrix creation of “the Russian Threat,” which is the Deep State’s replacement for the orchestrated “Soviet Threat,” has been selected for shutdown. Apparently, Alex Jones is already having problems with Google. Several websites managed to get off the 200 List, and some of those that have seem to have collapsed as members of the opposition.

As the Nazis said, all it takes is fear, and the people collapse.

Trump’s presidency is effectively over. Even if he is permitted to remain in office,
he will be a figurehead for the Deep State’s presidency. President Trump has already fallen into line with the military/security complex. He has said Russia has to return Crimea to Ukraine, whereas in fact Crimea returned itself to Russia of which it was originally a part of. He has rejected a new strategic arms limitations treaty (START) with Russia, stating that he wants supremacy in nuclear armaments, not equality. http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/02/27/president-trump-decries-new-start-treaty.html Obama’s one trillion dollar upgrade of the US nuclear arsenal is likely to get a boost from Trump.

After one month in office the goal has changed from reduced tensions with Russia to greater tensions. Greater tensions might soon be upon us. There are plans to occupy part of Syria with US troops in order to prevent Syria with Russia’s help from reuniting the country.http://www.globalresearch.ca/rand-corporations-plan-for-dicing-up-syria/5577009 Part of Syria is to go to Turkey, part to the Kurds, and Washington will keep a chunk. This way Washington can keep the turmoil going forever. The Russians brought this problem on themselves. Ever hopeful for Washington’s cooperation against ISIL, Russia dallied in cleaning out ISIL. The prospect that Trump would work with Russia as part of better relations assumed that Trump would actually be in charge, which has turned out to be delusional.

It is difficult to know if the new Trump regime is more Iranophobic than Russophobic. The Trump regime’s inclination to jettison the Iran agreement and reopen the conflict means more conflict with Russia. Washington’s continued provocations of both Russia and China will dispel any lingering Russian expectations of better relations with Washington.

It is bizarre to see the neoliberal-alt-progressive-left allied with the warmongers against Trump. As the neoconservatives pull nuclear Armageddon out of the grave that Reagan and Gorbachev put it in, the American left demands the impeachment of the president whose goal was better relations with Russia. Once the champion of the working class, the left now champions Identity Politics. Trump’s goal of jobs for the working class leaves the leftwing cold. The left wants to destroy the “Trump deplorables,” which the left describes as “racist, misogynist, homophobic, gun nuts.” In Identity Politics, every identity is a victim except the oppressor identity—white heterosexual males.

Where then is the opposition to the neoconservative ideology that is driving US foreign policy toward world hegemony? There are a few of us, but we are being cast as “Putin Russian agents.” and "Russian apologists" In other words, those who have sufficient intelligence to understand that Washington is not going to achieve hegemony over Russia and China or even Iran, but is likely to provoke nuclear war by trying, are relegated to the traitor class.

The reason that there is still life on earth after more than a half century of nuclear weapons is that American presidents and Soviet leaders worked together to reduce tensions. During these decades, there were numerous false alarms of incoming ICBMs. However, because the leadership of both countries were working together to avoid nuclear conflict, the warnings were disbelieved both by the Soviets and Americans.

Today the situation is vastly different. The last three US presidents, and now apparently Trump also, worked overtime to increase tensions between the two nuclear powers. Moreover, it was done in ways that convinced the Russian government that Washington is completely untrustworthy. The ongoing vicious lies about the Russian connections of Trump and his associates are so obviously false as to be laughable, but the Russians are seeing that the falsity of the charges notwithstanding, Trump’s National Security Adviser has fallen and Trump himself might be next.

In other words, the Russians are observing that in America facts are not relevant to outcomes. The Russians have already experienced this with regard to themselves with the lies about Putin, the Ukraine, Georgia, and Russian intentions toward Europe. Putin is routinely called a “thug,” “murderer,” “the new Hitler” by US politicians, presstitutes, and the Democratic Party’s candidate in the recent presidential election. Ranking US generals describe Russia as the “principal threat to the US.” NATO commanders assert that the Russian Army could occupy the Baltics and/or Poland at any moment. These nonsensical accusations and predictions suggest to the Russians that the West is preparing its populations for an attack on Russia.

In such a tense state of affairs, how will false alarms be interpreted? Will Americans convinced that Putin and Russia are evil incarnate believe the false alarms this time? Will Russians convinced that they have been set up for attack believe them this time?

This is the extreme risk to which the insane neoconservatives, the idiot neoliberal-alt-progressive-left, the greedy military/security complex, and the aggressive generals have exposed life on earth.

And the few voices warning of the risk are dismissed as  "useful idiots.” Prepair for the worst. The end. 

 

 
 
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Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 12:19am
A special thanks to Paul Craig Roberts website for the information about the Trump administration. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Feb 28, 2017 - 1:07am
I have been reading PCR for several years now. He's mostly right about those things he writes about. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Feb 28, 2017 - 1:18am
Something big is cooking. When the likes of Forbes is flogging the idea of USD no longer being the reserve currency and the worlds two largest holders of gold China and Vatican in talks to create new gold backed currency the NWO seems hellbent on destroying anything that doesn't subscribe to its hegemony. Trump, USA, Russia, Iran all the same to them. Yeah, shits about to hit the fan. 
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 1:55am
Thanks for your comments Jeffry. I really like PCR's purist centrist approach. He just looks for the truth and is not beholden to the left or the right. That is the only way to get genuine answers in this world. I'm sure you noticed I get a lot of my terminology from him also. 
 
And yes, like I concluded the article with, prepare for the worst. I would add, and hope for the best, but hope hasn't exactly worked out to well for us all as of late. But I guess it couldn't hurt. Something big and bad is coming. I just hope I am wrong. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 2:46am
Wow. Another goodie. As Trump says: "We need to win wars again"....
EXPAT Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:47am
The Whole world explained in one article! It took Will and Ariel Durant 10 volumes to chronicle the History of the world, and you capsulate the present and future in one article, too rambling to refute or comment.
 
Thanks for clearing up my delusions that the world is too complex for one man, oops woman to comprehend.
Now I understand why things go wrong:
psychopaths in their various think tanks are at fault!!!!!!!
EXPAT Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:52am
Thank God for Google! Or should I say thank WB for :
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EXPAT Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:57am
I hope you have as much fun deleting my comments as I did posting them!
"The world explained" by Jennifer Frost
Christian Peschken Added Feb 28, 2017 - 6:51am
Is there someone asking if we want nuclear war with Russia?
MJ Added Feb 28, 2017 - 6:59am
Expat, when will you learn women don`t need endless volumes or meetings to come to a viable conclusion of conglomerate matters?
Well written article Jenifer, you have a concise and clear way of thinking!
MJ Added Feb 28, 2017 - 7:03am
Jenifer, let us just hope Putin stays calm with all this turmoil around him!!
Billy Roper Added Feb 28, 2017 - 8:58am
The establishment elites want to provoke a war with Russia in order to distract people from the ongoing balkanization of America, and artificially unify our polarized nation. I hope they fail.
Bill Kamps Added Feb 28, 2017 - 11:21am
The US spends 10x on defense what the Russians spend.  Trump's proposed increase of $54B in defense spending, is greater than all of Russia's defense spending. 
 
Germany, UK and France spend 3x what Russia spends on defense.  Why do they need our 1,000 troops in Poland ? Isnt 3x the Russian spending enough to keep them safe, or are they spending all that money on fancy meals, and hotels, instead of tanks and troops ?
 
All countries needs a boogieman to justify defense spending.  You think the  US can justify $600B in defense spending if the enemy is ISIS ? that is a joke.  We need a bigger enemy than that.
 
$600B is more than enough to spend on defense if we are smart.  That is more than the next 10 countries combined, and 8 of those are allies.  There is no reason we need to spend so much, we could have less of most things and still be safe.  Ten carrier groups instead of 13, 15 nuclear subs instead of 20, and so on.
Mike Haluska Added Feb 28, 2017 - 11:22am
Neither Russia nor the USA start a nuclear war with each other because of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD).  We need to focus on small nations with nothing to lose run by despots (Iran, N. Korea) being able to deliver the bombs (ICBM's are not the only way).  With today's technology, intelligence is the key to our national security.  Nobody is going to invade the US - it is physically impossible with spy satellite technology.  Imagine Japan trying to "sneak" their Naval fleet across the Pacific to attack Pearl Harbor today!  The plumes from the smokestacks of their battleships as they left harbor would be seen from satellites!!! 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Feb 28, 2017 - 11:43am
Maybe out there in yer' itty bitty nowhere town that's the consensus but its unrealistic and naive.
 
There are at least five White Papers circulating published and pushed by the CFR claiming nuclear war is winnable. 
 
Therefore its inevitable. It will be the DUHmerican starting it. 
 
Now crawl under that car and fix something but leave geopolitics with those with more awareness.
Mike Haluska Added Feb 28, 2017 - 11:56am
Jeffry -
 
The DoD and other defense/intelligence agencies are charged to work up "What If?" scenarios all the time.  Do you think they're going to keep their jobs if the come up with scenarios where we lose? 
 
By the way, I live near Chicago in "little bitty Northwest Indiana" which produces the bulk of our steel and has the largest oil refinery in the USA.  We have had a target painted on us since the USSR got the Bomb.
 
And the only thing that's inevitable are people with no clue writing that nuclear war is "inevitable".  We came very close before, but cooler heads always prevailed.  Nobody wants to fire first and then face the retaliation of ICBM's launched from submarines parked a few miles off their coastlines.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 12:45pm
All rationality does not help when some software says nukes were started from point x we have to retaliate, although it was a read error on F1D8C2, as it amlost happened back in 1982. And maybe this time there won't be a Soviet around with a clear mind.
 
Or a shithead on top who's 75 and has not too many years left told by his doctors and says what the heck. 
 
It's not the weapons which I fear, but the irrationality of humans.
George N Romey Added Feb 28, 2017 - 12:59pm
Russia, China and Iran will conspire to destroy the US dollar.  Will the US response be nukes?
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 1:05pm
George
 
No worries. It's a big theater. Look who sits in AIIB, the associated bank of BRICS. The UK, Israel and some more satellites of the US.
 
No sweat.
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 1:40pm
I thought Espat had grew up, I see I was wrong, or maybe it was his brother wearing his mask I spoke to before. Either way no reason to delete the comments of a clown in a mask as long as he follows the rules he's no problem just entertainment for the masses. Another distraction for the rubes so as to keep the focus off the real problems. Carry on Ghostface whoever you are. 
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 1:47pm
Thanks for the comments all. To clarify, although I'm convinced that some in power (warmongers like Hilary Clinton, thank God she was defeated) want actual war with Russia, most behind the demonizing of Russia are playing a game to justify the budget of the military/security complex (got to have an appropriate enemy). The biggest danger is mistakes happen and neither our own allies, our military personnel, nor the Russian's are in on the game. Joke's on them if they accidentally start a real war huh? No, the joke is on us if said shooting war turns nuclear. Like Stone-Eatter said it's almost happened before. Several times that we know of actually, who knows how many we don't. That's where the question of do we want a nuclear war with Russia comes in. If not we have to try to reign in these mad men. And soon. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 1:50pm
Jenifer 
 
- how ?
 
The world is asking that question - at least the conscious world.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 1:51pm
The one with the finger on the trigger doesn't care. And there are lots of ones and lots of fingers. 
Ryan Messano Added Feb 28, 2017 - 2:06pm
The ridiculous warmongering with Russia is the fault of the liberal left.  Not content with throwing the Middle East into chaos they try to go after other targets.  
EXPAT Added Feb 28, 2017 - 2:30pm
Jenny.
When you speak intelligently, I respond in kind.
When you post rambling copy paste articles about which you know nothing,
psychopaths in their various think tanks are at fault!!!!!!!
I mock you.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 2:42pm
Ryan
 
I agree on that one ;-)
Bill Kamps Added Feb 28, 2017 - 2:47pm
As Jenifer says, the odds of a nuclear war are low.  However, the odds of us spending ourselves into bankruptcy, and irrelevancy is high. 
 
Trump wants to increase the defense budget by $54B, which is about equal to what the Russians spend in total on defense, and more than all but four countries spend on defense.
 
Why is it was have to spend so much ? why cant that be reduced and we still are the baddest military in the world ?
 
The USA and allies out spend Russia by 20x, and out spend China, by 5x, why is that not enough ?
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 2:50pm
Quite right Ryan and Stone-Eatter. The middle east terrorism "threat" wasn’t enough for the new liberal Warhawks. And some apparently never got over having Russia as the Cold War bad guys. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 3:01pm
Jenifer
 
Look at the map. Russia. That place is BIG. How much RESOURCES there are in a ever shrinking world. Africa's on the map too, but the Chinese were clever. They set biz foot there while the US played elephant in the porcelain ME ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 3:07pm
BTW:
 
China is clever.
Russia is clever.
The US are clumsy.
 
And when you're clumsy, you act that way. The result is a) you're not being taken seriously (except for your weapons) by the rest of the world, b) you're showing that you're not understanding foreign cultures and values and c) you show you don't care about b) anyway.
 
You don't get appreciation by the world. You only create fear. Is it that what you (your rulers) want ?
EXPAT Added Feb 28, 2017 - 3:40pm
Exactly right Stone! If they fear us, they won't attack us. If they fear us, they won't invade our friends. If they fear us they will be more inclined to negotiate, instead of just take.
It is called PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 3:46pm
Stone-Eatter Russia has a great deal of resources including oil. When the Soviet Union fell the United States robbed Russia blind until a strong leader (Putin) took change and put an end to it. Since then the goal has been to get Putin replaced (through a coup as is the usual approach) by making him seem weak to his people so as to pave the way to break up Russia into smaller, easy to manipulate states. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 3:51pm
Expat
 
Nobody has a reason to attack the US. What for ? The big ones have enough land and resources. They can set up a McDonalds by themselves. The US is not a "religious enemy". On the contrary - they all want to copy the model: all for 1% and nothing for 99%.
 
That's why the US CREATES enemies. The Roman Empire cannot be repeated nowadays.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 3:52pm
Jenifer
 
The problem is that Jelzin was too dumb to rule and Putin noticed that LOL
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:00pm
By the way Espat, what were you trying to prove linking to my profile on Medium? Trying to say it's not me or something? Try clicking it again and see what it says... 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:05pm
Just heard the same shit on Al-Jazeera (is that a Saudi Chain by now....hmmm....) again:
 
Assad MAY have used chemical weapons.......
 
When will they stop to use that fucking MAY word ? That's no news, that's indoctrination.....
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:06pm
BTW: Anyone who has seen the Powell presentation back then and what came out afterwards and still believes all that crap is a hopeless jerk.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:08pm
HAS = 100%
HAS NOT = 0%
MAY HAVE = 75% (subjective)....
 
;-)
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:18pm
When was this may have anyhow? The last time when Obama was in office was ruled inconclusive by the UN. 
EXPAT Added Feb 28, 2017 - 4:40pm
Jenny.
I was toying with the idea of moving to Medium to find a more knowledgeable group. While there I wanted to see how they relate to you.
But I was unsuccessful, and deleted my account.
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 5:12pm
Well that's a shame Espat, there are lots of great people there. And not so great. Much like most places. Hey but thanks for the free shout out for my Medium account. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 5:31pm
Medium ?
 
Sounds like digging out skeletons in search of a former life ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 5:32pm
Jenifer
 
I say that the word "may" has a slight tendency towards what what MAY seem as real. No more ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Feb 28, 2017 - 5:33pm
what what. Shit.
 
"Mr. Alzheimer, your time for today is up!"
 
"Ok."
 
Pffff....
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 6:12pm
I wouldn't worry about the double "what" Stone-Eatter, we all slip-up sometimes 
:-) 
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 6:17pm
This is an hilarious article about the hypocrisy of the corporate mainstream media which just weeks ago was clamoring about independent media being supposedly "fake news" and "Russian propaganda" anytime they challenged the Washington/NATO party line. Now that Trump is in office and calling THEM (correctly) fake news, the liars are crying foul! 
Mainstream Media’s ‘Victimhood’ – Consortiumnews - https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/28/mainstream-medias-victimhood  
Dino Manalis Added Feb 28, 2017 - 7:29pm
Russian hacking and meddling in our election should be investigated, but we ought not go bonkers over the Russians, they're Orthodox Christians, it doesn't get any better than that.  We should view Moscow as a global partner in the pursuit of world peace and stability.
Jenifer Frost Added Feb 28, 2017 - 9:37pm
Dino the group of retired intel experts Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) have stated that if any hacking had occurred the NSA would definitely know about it and be able to reveal the proof of the source to the American people without in anyway endangering national security (see my last article "The Russia did NOT Hack the Election Resource"-the link is above in my recent articles) since this didn't happen, it's pretty safe to say no hacking occurred. Obama in his last press conference said it was leaks not hacks (“Obama Admits the Truth about ‘Russian Hacking,‘ it’s Revealed at Last!”  https://medium.com/@Sekhmetnakt/obama-admits-the-truth-about-russian-hacking-its-revealed-at-last-eda147bd326b) the only other "election tampering" alleged was the Wikileaks (leaks) information from an unknown whistleblower that revealed Hillary's corruption and the actual election tampering by the DNC in the Democratic primary to rig them for Hillary Clinton. I can't see how that revealing election tampering is it's election tampering. But investigate away I say as long as the investigation is completely public. Otherwise I'm sure it will just be more evidence-free accusations and invisible "secret proof" that doesn't actually exist. 
 
But yes we SHOULD be global partners with Russia. Good luck with that happening in the current state of affairs. 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 12:30am
Stone-Eatter, Medium is another social media site for wrighters, somewhat similar to Writer's Beat. But only vaguely. Lots of rules for one. Lots of neoliberal-alt-progressive types and publications (like ThinkProgress) which are next to impossible to avoid. But if you really look there are a few good writers there and decent articles. Like the following (which has a similar topic to my article here):
“Recent Town Hall Meetings Show Why Fomenting Russia Hysteria Is So Harmful”  https://medium.com/theyoungturks/recent-town-hall-meetings-show-why-fomenting-russia-hysteria-is-so-harmful-c3eb42fe32a2
 
On a side note, since Espat posted that link to my @Sekhmetnakt Medium profile I picked up three new followers there. Two who have written articles here on Writer's Beat. Hardly a coincidence I'm sure. Thanks again Espat! 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 2:07am
Glad you enjoyed it Slade, yes it is funny, because the idea of the Russians sending that relic to bomb us is so stupid it's hilarious. But like I said, nothing is too stupid anymore it seems. It is a beautiful airplane but it's seen better days. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 1, 2017 - 3:22am
the Russians have had very little experience with power-projection military operations outside of their historical borders
 
 
Proof the Russians aren't the aggressors the DUHmerican/Western press makes them out to be.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 3:41am
Slade, one of my Russian friends is, let's say, fairly up on current Russian military tec. Nothing secret or the like. But not the garbage we hear about in American corporate mainstream media either.
 
Today's Russian Navy and Air Force is miles ahead of what they had back in the 1980's. Still basically defensive, but on par with American/NATO tec. Their tanks are no longer the embarrassing joke they used to be. Their electronic warfare is 1st class, bar none (disabled an American destroyer in the Black Sea and sent it back limping last November). They have hypersonic stealth nuclear cruise missiles and the most advanced (by three or four generations) antibalastic/antiaircraft defense system on earth (the S-500) which can detect and neutralize all American stealth aircraft and ICBMs rendering them useless. This all developed with about 1/20th the American military budget because Russian technology is developed for productivity not cost overruns and contractor profits.
 
So while most of Russian military tec is defensive, it is formative and 1st class. Not exactly a 1st world threat as Washington would have us believe. But not a bunch of easily defeated pushovers either. 
John Minehan Added Mar 1, 2017 - 12:02pm
Nice "Atomic Annie" photo!
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 12:14pm
Stone.
Who or what was this comment directed at? Makes no sense to me!
 
what what. Shit.
 
"Mr. Alzheimer, your time for today is up!"
 
"Ok."
 
Pffff....
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 12:25pm
Jenny and Slade.
It sounds to me like both of you are agreeing with Trump, that America needs to upgrade it's Military to surpass anything the Russians have developed.
 
Eight years of Obama's neglect of the Military has allowed Russia, and China, (which you haven't mentioned) to catch up, and become a threat again.
 
As Jefferson said: Eternal vigilance is the price of Liberty.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 2:05pm
War is for people who haven't grown up. And there's many of them.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 2:06pm
Expat
 
When Russia is a threat, what are the US ?
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 2:45pm
Espat, I don't have any issue with America upgrading our military technology. Just the military provocations,-troops and missiles on Russia's boarders, NATO on their doorstep with bases surrounding them. Imagine how we would react if the same situation was upon us with Russian bases in Canada and Mexico and the like. Hostile neighbors start wars. 
 
And yes I should have mentioned China, they are far less likely to take a bunch of crap from anyone than Russia due to their more aggressive leadership. That could really become a powder keg.
 
Ultimately diplomacy is what is required in both situations. But how can that happen when just offering diplomatic talks with the Russian ambassador got someone like General Flynn fired and was treated almost like an act of treason? Sure makes the argument that no one is looking for a deliberate war hard to swallow. 
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 2:55pm
Stone.
I have written this before, but it doesn't seem to sink in. What ever makes you love Russia and hate America is an internal conviction I cannot guess at.
Seeing as there are Swiss colonies in USA and Russia, why do you chose one over the other?
 
Russia has been at war with it's neighbors for as long as we have history. As Slade pointed out, Modern Russia has rearmed during the Obama de militarizing of America.
 
The United States is a conglomeration of the WORLD. AS I have written before, America is not a Race, not a religion, not an indigenous people.
America is an IDEA, embodied in its Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the Body of Law passed down, that says: People have RIGHTS.
For some reason America thinks that the people of the world should have the same rights, and millions of people and billions in treasure have been spent over the years to protect that idea.
 
America was the only Super Power left in the world because it did not exist to destroy other nations, but to help them live as they chose. It didn't always work out as we like, but it wasn't for lack of trying! Critics and Obama tried to diminish America's standing in the world, but it is coming back.
I will post the history of Russia in the next comment.
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 3:04pm
How many countries had Russia invaded in its history?

target="_blank">Robert Hammitt, Undergrad major in Russian, lived in St. Petersburg, MA in Eurasian Studies

target="_blank">Updated 24 Feb 2016


One complicating factor is that 'countries' is, to a certain degree, a modern notion that doesn't apply to well once you go back far enough in history, especially outside of Europe.
Also, since 'invasion' is a charged term, and one person's invasion is another's support (especially in modern wars), any list would have disputable inclusions. In particular, Russia has participated in one side of a foreign civil war numerous times, usually at the invitation (or 'invitation') of one side. For completeness, I'll put things that, in my reading of the history I don't consider 'invasions' in brackets, although it's not hard to find people who would disagree with my interpretation.
Finally, it's likely to be an incomplete list because I'll miss certain incidents, or that particular areas were controlled by such-and-such a country at a given point. Also, Russia invaded the same country repeatedly for long stretches of history (looking at you, Ottoman Empire), and I'm not going to mention every separate war.
For 'Russia," I'm including the Russian Federation, Soviet Union, Soviet Russia, Russian Empire/Tsardom, and Duchy of Moscow. Kievan Rus and the other city states of Dark Age Russia/Ukraine/East Slavic Lands I leave aside, since their connection to the modern nation of Russia is slightly more tenuous.
Russian Federation


[Syria]


Ukraine/Crimea


Georgia (allegedly on behalf of Abkhazia and South Ossetian govts, which Russia now recognizes as countries)


[Chechnya] - Chechnya declared independence from Russia, but that was largely not recognized


Union of Soviet Socialist Republics


Afghanistan


Czechoslovakia


[China] - border conflict over an island in the Amur river


Hungary


WW2:


[Germany, Poland, Hungary, Austria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Finland, Norway, Korea, Japan, China] - Soviet forces fought their way into these countries from 1944-45, driving back occupying Axis troops and the local Axis-allied forces. After the war, the Soviet Union took territory Poland, Romania, and Hungary into the USSR's borders, and moved other borders around. Also invaded were the Baltic States and Moldova, which the Soviet Union considered its own territory at this point, whether or not the locals did; there was also fighting with anti-Soviet partisans within USSR borders, especially in Ukraine.


[Yugoslavia] - Soviet troops crossed this country as part of the war, but the local partisans, who had largely liberated the country, didn't let them stay and occupy.


Iran - invaded to provide a link to British forces in southern Iran


Finland 1940 - Winter War


Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania/Moldova - the territories the Soviet Union incorporated it into itself as a result of the Secret Protocols of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.


Poland 1939 - also invaded under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.




Poland 1919 - Polish-Soviet War


Soviet Russia


Transcaucasian Republic - a communist state that was temporarily independent of Moscow/Petrograd


[Various independent Ukrainian states/governments, none of which had been around long]


Russian Civil War


[various governments claiming to be 'White,' 'Monarchist' etc. Russia]


[Finland, the Baltic States, the Central Asian and Caucasus states], all of which had varying strength independence movements to  break out of the Russian Empire, which they had been part of before. Finland and the Baltic States managed to win independence.




Russian Empire


First World War


Germany - Russia launched the initial invasion of East Prussia, which ended in disaster at the Battle of Tannenberg. For the rest of the war, most of the German-Russian fighting would be on Russian territory


Austro-Hungary, Turkey - most of the war on these f
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 3:05pm
Russian Empire


First World War


Germany - Russia launched the initial invasion of East Prussia, which ended in disaster at the Battle of Tannenberg. For the rest of the war, most of the German-Russian fighting would be on Russian territory


Austro-Hungary, Turkey - most of the war on these fronts was fought in Austro-Hungarian and Turkish territory




China


Several Central Asian states, including but not limited to Bukhara, Khiva, Kokand


Persia


Various Caucasus territories, which never really reached the level of 'countries.' Chechnya and Dagestan are the most famous in the West, because of the writings of Tolstoy, Pushkin and Lermontov, but the deportation of the Circassians from the West Caucasus could be considered an early form of ethnic cleansing.


Ottoman Empire, many times (the wars are just identified by number or dates). Almost all the fighting took place in Ottoman territory in the Caucasus and Balkans.


[Hungary] - Russian troops attempted to assist Austrians in putting down a Hungarian uprising during the Spring of Nations in 1848


Napoleonic Wars


Over the course of the war, Russian forced invaded French-controlled territory in Italy, many German states, Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and France itself.




Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (three times, the Partitions of Poland). Also, several times Russian troops crushed Polish-independence movements.


Alaska and California, at the time only held by Native American tribes


Siberia, at the time held by a variety of Tatar, Mongolic, Finno-Urgric and other groups/tribes/states.


(interestingly, there was an attempt to colonize Madagascar. Peter the Great died shortly after the expedition sailed, and the commander decided to return home to Russia rather than continue)


Sweden (particularly Swedish-held territory in modern Finland and Estonia and around St. Petersburg, as well as Polish territories as far south as modern Ukraine)


[Crimea] Catherine the Great's forces were invited in by local Crimean rulers, preferring St. Petersburg's rule to the Ottoman Porte.


[Georgia] the ruling house of Georgia voluntarily joined the Russian Empire. What other Georgians thought/think about it is a different issue




Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 3:11pm
The only non-bracket one I dispute is Ukraine. Russia had a military base there for decades, that hardly counts as an invasion unless it's the slowest in world history. Also Crimea was originally a part of Russia until given to Ukraine by a Soviet dictator. Hardly democratic, however the vote to return to Russia by the Crimean people was. Who could blame them they are largely ethnic Russians and didn't want to be exterminated by Right Sector or any of the other goon thug Nazi groups empowered in the illegal American backed fascist Coup of 2014. 
 
But otherwise yes the Soviets were bad, but they are gone. The quarter century since then reflects the difference except to those who buy into the "Russian aggression" propaganda narrative and ignore facts. And how many invasions and coups has America been involved in? 
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 3:29pm
Jennifer.
Your comment was posted as I was writing my reply to Stone. I didn't see it until after.
 
What you refer to as provocations, are defenses to prevent Russia from re claiming what the Soviet Union lost! I posted the history of Russian invasions of the past, and Putin is a mind set of the old Soviet KGB.
 
I agree with you that diplomacy is the answer, but it must be backed with power, otherwise it is just words. There are many ways Russia and USA can complement each other. Our cooperation on the space station proves it can be done, but it must be done out of mutual respect.
 
Putin played Obama for a fool, and now his legacy Democrats are trying to blame Russia for their loss of power. But it is all a sham. Russia did what Russia (and America) has always done. The spy who came in from the cold.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 3:42pm
Expat
 
Seeing as there are Swiss colonies in USA and Russia,
 
Colonies ?
 
You see, BOTH the US and Russia have the hegemony virus. Only, in the last 50 years, the US was the ACTOR and the Russians the REACTOR....
 
Nobody will sell me that the US defended national interests when they started to mess up the ME. And nobody will tell me that the Russians were the cause of Mossadegh 1953.
 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 3:44pm
BTW: When the US and Russia would work together, it would be fine. But that way the Chinese laugh and profit. Nothing against them, though. They profit, ok, who does not ? - but they profit without BOMBS.
 
And I like that.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 4:03pm
Oh and thanks John on the comment on the Atomic Anne photo! I was torn between that or a picture of the Bikini Islands atomic blast, this one has more a surreal and ominous feel IMO. Scenic also despite the blast. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 4:30pm
Hardly democratic, however the vote to return to Russia by the Crimean people was. Who could blame them they are largely ethnic Russians and didn't want to be exterminated by Right Sector or any of the other goon thug Nazi groups empowered in the illegal American backed fascist Coup of 2014. 
 
It was. A Russian oligarch was replaced by a Western puppet called Porochenko. Hmmmm.....remember Jelzin, the guy who wanted a sellout of his country to Western interests ? See.....
 
Russia is BIG and has LARGE resources. Now, the Chinese are in Africa. Tough shit, Pentagon. Leaves Russia. 
 
Whatever people think about Putin: He's got the brains that US presidents lack (or his advisers).
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 4:32pm
BTW: Not surprising that Chess is a national sport in Russia. In the US it's football.
 
Watch the two and you know why US politics are NOT successful LOOL
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 4:43pm
Wrong Jennifer!
The Soviet Union had a base there when it controlled all of the region! They gave it up when Ukraine became independent! Invading a sovereign country, claiming it was to protect ethnic Russians was the same argument Hitler used.
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 4:51pm
Yes Stone, Colonies.
The history of the Amish church began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann, a native of Erlenbach im Simmental.
During the late 18th and early 19th centuries, a flow of Swiss farmers formed colonies, particularly in Russia and the United States.
Before the year 1820 some estimated 25,000 to 30,000 Swiss entered British North America. Most of them settled in regions of today's Pennsylvania as well as North and South Carolina. In the next years until 1860 about as many Swiss arrived, making their homes mainly in the Midwestern states such as Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin. Approximately 50,000 came between 1860 and 1880, some 82,000 between 1881 and 1890, and estimated 90,000 more during the next three decades.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Americans
 
The late 18th and early 19th century saw a flow of Swiss farmers forming colonies such as Şaba (Bessarabia, at the Dniester Liman, now part of the Ukraine), besides specialists of various professions, working as winemakers, cheesemakers, merchants, officers or governesses. The Russian-Swiss generally prospered, partly merging with German diaspora populations. Early Swiss emigrants to Russia were not poor, but brought money with them, establishing themselves as specialist elites, choosing Russia as migration target because it offered greater opportunities for their trades than America. Only in the later 19th century, with Russian industrialization, saw significant migration of lower social classes.
Most of these Swiss diaspora populations returned to Switzerland in during the interwar period in the wake of the Russian Revolution of 1917, and especially as a result of the Dekulakization under Joseph Stalin during 1929-1931.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_emigration_to_Russia
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 4:56pm
The Russian Naval base in Crimea was never gave up. The primary purpose of the fascist coup was to try to force Russia to abandon it's Navel base in Crimea. That and to put NATO right up Russia's nose. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 4:57pm
Expat
 
LOL ! I know the Amish, when I worked in Calgary we had a few of them with their wagons and stuff. But that's a joke :-)
 
But we never wanted to extend our own little place nor get colonies like the French or the Brits, Dutch etc....
 
Because we're mountain goats not sea whales, and one has to be realistic about his size and influence....
 
Most of the bigger countries cannot. La Grande Nation, The British Empire and The Ottoman Empire have still not digested to be shrunk to ..... and the US doesn't take them as example ;-)
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:04pm
Nobody will sell me that the US defended national interests when they started to mess up the ME. And nobody will tell me that the Russians were the cause of Mossadegh 1953.
I won't bother to print the truth for you. As you say Nobody can convince you. But if you want the truth:
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/six-myths-about-the-coup-against-irans-mossadegh-11173
Shah Pahlavi was well on his way to making Iran a great country once again, with the help of USA, when your Liberal friends helped to put Ayatollah Khomeini in power and created the scourge of the ME Iran is today.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:07pm
BTW: My family originates from Emmental too, a sidearm of the Simmental (Simme, Emme are rivers).
 
Friedli (father)- Habegger (mother), going back to 1556 in the area. But as far as I know we never had the idea to conquer a country and make it Friedlistan :-)
 
There's not many Friedli left. But a lot of Habeggers in the US :-)
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:08pm
Not surprising that Chess is a national sport in Russia. In the US it's football.
Did you ever hear of Bobby Fisher?  And Russia has a pretty good Foot Ball them. Was there a point to this silly comment?
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:11pm
I would like to go on with you Stone, but your copy/paste of Left wing Bullshit is never ending. So I will end it here!
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:15pm
In May 1997, Russia and Ukraine signed the Peace and Friendship Treaty, ruling out Moscow's territorial claims to Ukraine.  A separate agreement established the terms of a long-term lease of land, facilities, and resources in Sevastopol and the Crimea by Russia.
 
The ex-Soviet Black Sea Fleet and its facilities were divided between Russia's Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian Naval Forces. The two navies co-used some of the city's harbours and piers, while others were demilitarised or used by either country. Sevastopol remained the location of the Russian Black Sea Fleet headquarters with the Ukrainian Naval Forces Headquarters also based in the city. A judicial row periodically continues over the naval hydrographicinfrastructure both in Sevastopol and on the Crimean coast (especiallylighthouses historically maintained by the Soviet or Russian Navy and also used for civil navigation support).
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol
 
As for the Crimean people voting to return to Russia being in anyway similar to Germany sending in Nazi to secure land the difference is #1 Russia already had a naval base in Crimea and an ongoing military presence. #2 America via the illegal 2014 coup sent in Ukraine Nazis not the Russians. #3 the people exercised their democratic right of self-determination in voting to rejoin Russia as opposed to forcibly being annexed. The Ukrainian Nazi Forces are a clear and present danger not a contrived threat they have committed various war crimes since 2014 including burning to death protesters in Donbass in a warehouse. 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:17pm
Another going resource on the Crimean Russian Naval base situation and local history can be found here:
Ukraine crisis: why Russia sees Crimea as its naval stronghold | World news | The Guardian - https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/07/ukraine-russia-crimea-naval-base-tatars-explainer
EXPAT Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:32pm
Jennifer. The truth will set you free!
 
From a military point of view, Russia's ground operation to annex Crimea in 2014 was an exceptionally clean affair, and gave ample opportunity to demonstrate the fruits of Moscow's military modernization efforts. But for Russia's famed Black Sea Fleet, the most tactically relevant action it could take was to deny Ukrainian ships from setting to sea by scuttling one of its oldest and rustiest cruisers in the mouth of a channel.
Despite efforts since 2008 to upgrade Russia's aging Soviet-built military, the Black Sea Fleet in 2014 was a decrepit shell of the once great outfit. Under agreement, independent Ukraine allowed Russia to keep ships in Crimea after the fall of the Soviet Union, but it largely prevented additional Russian vessels from being added. Much of that fleet spent 25 years rusting away at their moorings, and many doubted the fleet was capable of combat.
This led to military stagnation in Crimea, but the arrangement was tolerated in Moscow for years. This changed with the rise of the Maidan protest movement in Kiev. As a pro-Western government formed there, the Kremlin could no longer be sure its basing agreements in Crimea would be honored.
In the two years since annexation, the fleet's fortune and capabilities have profoundly changed. Moscow has wasted little time in diverting resources to rejuvenating the fleet, adding around a dozen combat vessels since 2014, and Sevastopol is now a major hub of Russian military and geopolitical power projection.
https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/black-sea-rising-rebirth-of-a-russian-fleet-52191
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:53pm
Espat
 
Left wing Bullshit
 
What is left wing bullshit ? Please explain which part of my comment is "left wing bullshit". You should know by now that I'm "directionless". I go for common sense not for drawers.
 
Or could it be that any critical opinion about the US by a foreigner is automatically labeled as such ?
 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:56pm
BTW:
 
Copy and paste is OK. But did you know that the intention to bring Ukraine into the EU was just a means to bring them into NATO through the back door ?
 
And when you DON'T see the intention to encircling Russia (the last obstacles are Iran and China - think) in order to wring them down you had too many Singha's.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:58pm
...or maybe you'd like that. Finally you're American. Not like Jeffry, who's got a clear stance on that.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 5:58pm
While I don't see anything there to dispute Espat let's not lessen the impact of the 2014 fascist coup. From the OEN article link above in my article following "Consider the Following:" (regarding Trump’s knowledge of the Ukrainian situation before the election as ridiculed by the press) 
 The Obama administration has certainly intervened heavily in Ukraine, in ways that are enormously disruptive. With Hillary's favorite State Department neocon and possible next Secretary of State, Victoria Nuland, in the lead, the Obama administration fomented the overthrow of a democratically-elected government with an insurrection powered by fascist groups. And by "democratically-elected," I mean chosen in an election that European and NATO observers called "a good and competitive election and very promising for the future of Ukraine's democracy"; and by "fascist," I mean not "neo-" but outright Hitler-loving fascists. The Obama administration thus helped bring explicit fascists into power in a European country for the first time since WWII. Those are the people the Democrats want to arm, not to "defend themselves" against Russia, but to wage more effective war against their fellow citizens in the Eastern half of the country, citizens whom those fascist consider "beetles." ThinkProgress acknowledges this when it talks about the GOP platform "removing references to arming Ukraine in its ongoing fight against pro-Russia rebels." So it's a question of arming a government of fascists and oligarchs in a civil war against its own rebellious citizens. Do you think that's a good idea for America policy? Is Donald Trump being "ignorant" to question it?
 
The current rebellion by eastern Ukrainians was not the result of Russian intervention, but of an offensive by fascist groups against Ukrainian citizens who dared to protest against the coup that deposed the president they had voted for. The worst of these incidents was the massacre in Odessa, where fascists forced protestors into a building and then burned it down, and roasting people alive inside. At least 38 people were killed. Eight were lucky enough to escape the fire by jumping out of the building; they were promptly set upon and beaten to death by thugs of the fascist group, Right Sector.
 
Didn't know about this? Perhaps because, as Russian expert Stephen F. Cohen says, the American media "basically rewrites whatever the Kiev authorities say." Cohen, a Professor Emeritus of Princeton and NYU, has been one of the only establishment-recognized authorities trying to challenge the ridiculous and dangerous American narrative about Russia. In a segment (video target="_blank">here ) on CNN, he tried to introduce some sanity into the discussion of Trump and Russia. I've written a couple of detailed analyses of what transpired in Ukraine in 2014 ( target="_blank">here and target="_blank">here ), and I'm confident in saying, with Stephen Cohen, that it's the dominant political and media narrative, promulgated by outlets like ThinkProgress, that keeps Americans ignorant about a major international conflict.
 
The Ukrainian government is now so dominated by the US, really a client state at this point, that it appointed an American citizen (who was quickly nationalized) as Finance Minister. No Ukrainian wants to take the job of running the country into the ground for the IMF that is going to be the price for their new "pro-Western" orientation. And Stephanopoulos and ThinkProgress complain that Putin is "there"?!
 
Trump is also ridiculed for saying, when asked about Crimea: "The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were"--though he is again right about this, and ThinkProgress knows it. Rupar's article suggests that Crimea voted for union with Russia only because they were intimidated by "Russian troops," but does not dare actually deny what it knows to be true: Crimean's overwhelmingly supported reunification, as Trump said. Of course the fact that the Crimea was the site of Russia's only warm-water port, which the Kremlin was loathe to surrender to eventual NATO annexation, was a factor. Still, in Crimea, Russia followed the self-determination script that the US wrote for the world in Kosovo, without the massive bombing.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 6:00pm
And yes I was mistaken the war crime I previously mentioned occurred in Odessa not Donbass. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 1, 2017 - 6:04pm
All
 
Latest since the whore Nuland said "Fuck the EU" (that means Europe) most people who are a bit informed here have taken another view on the US corporatocracy. We have never forgotten that.
 
And when the US keeps on putting such assholes in high positions it won't have any friends left on the planet. Maybe they don't need them anyway - they have weapons.
 
Period. 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 6:37pm
Incidentally anyone doubting the Ukrainian Nazi infiltration should read this article from the Huffington Post. Here's an excerpt:
 



 


 


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The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine




 
By Michael Hughes








The Obama administration has vehemently target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">denied charges that Ukraine’s nascent regime is stock full of neo-fascists despite target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">clear evidence suggesting otherwise. Such categorical repudiations lend credence to the notion the U.S. target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">facilitated the anti-Russian cabal’s rise to power as part of a broader strategy to draw Ukraine into the West’s sphere of influence. Even more disturbing are apologists, from the American left and right, who seem willing accomplices in this obfuscation of reality, when just a cursory glance at the profiles of Ukraine’s new leaders should give pause to the most zealous of Russophobes.


In a State Department “target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">fact sheet“ released last week the U.S. accused Putin of lying about the Ukrainian government being under the sway of extremist elements. The report stated that right wing ultranationalist groups “are not represented in the Rada (Ukraine’s parliament),” and that “there is no indication the government would pursue discriminatory policies.”



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It isn’t too surprising that conservative outlets like target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">FOX News would downplay Russian allegations but the so-called “liberal” press has also contributed to the American disinformation campaign. Celestine Bohlen from target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">The New York Times considers harsh epithets, like the word “neo-Nazi,” which Putin has hurled at the demonstrators in Kiev as part of a Russian propaganda
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 6:40pm
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Russian propaganda effort to tarnish Ukraine’s revolutionary struggle against authoritarianism.


Yet after simply Googling the terms “Ukraine” and “Neo-Nazi,” the official position of the United States government along with the stance taken by many in the American media both now seem quite dubious, if not downright ridiculous, especially considering that one would be hard-pressed to machinate the lineup that now dominates Ukraine’s ministry posts.


For starters, target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">Andriy Parubiy, the new secretary of Ukraine’s security council, was a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), otherwise known as Svoboda. And his deputy, target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">Dmytro Yarosh, is the leader of a party called the Right Sector which, according to historian target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">Timothy Stanley, “flies the old flag of the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators at its rallies.”


The highest-ranking right-wing extremist is Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych, also a member of Svoboda, who believes that women should “lead the kind of lifestyle to avoid the risk of rape, including refraining from drinking alcohol and being in controversial company.” This is the philosophy underlying one of his “legal initiatives,” according to the target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">Kyiv Post, “to ban all abortions, even for pregnancies that occurred during rape.”


The Svoboda party has tapped into Nazi symbolism including the “target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">wolf’s angel“ rune, which resembles a swastika and was worn by members of the target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">Waffen-SS, a panzer division that was declared a criminal organization at Nuremberg. A target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">report from Tel-Aviv University describes the Svoboda party as “an extremist, right-wing, nationalist organization which emphasizes its identification with the ideology of German National Socialism.”


According to this BBC target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">news clip two Svoboda parliamentarians in recent weeks posed for photos while “brandishing well-known far right numerology,” including the numbers 88 — the eighth letter of the alphabet — signifying “HH,” as in “Heil Hitler.” This all makes Hillary Clinton’s recent comments comparing Putin to Hitler appear patently absurd, as Stanley adeptly points out: “After all, in the eyes of many ethnic Russians, it is the Ukrainian nationalists — not Putin — who are the Nazis.”


Last week Per Anders Rudling from Lund University in Sweden, an expert on Ukrainian extremists, told Britain’s target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">Channel 4 News: “A neo-fascist party like Svoboda getting the deputy prime minister position is news in its own right.” Well, except in the U.S.


Even more disconcerting has been the emergence of phone intercepts between high-ranking U.S. and Ukrainian officials which make it look as if the U.S. was basically, in the words of Princeton’s target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">Stephen Cohen, “plotting a coup
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 6:45pm
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“plotting a coup d’état against the elected president of Ukraine.” In other words, the U.S., in addition to providing moral support, may have paved the way for extremists to seize power in Kiev. Such a development would counter the American right’s condemnation of Obama for not “engaging” in the world. The real problem is actually the administration’s over-engagement in this case — as in meddling in the affairs of another state and trying to rearrange its domestic political machinery to suit Washington’s agenda.


This gambit has backfired in a number of ways. Not only has a neo-fascist-laden regime secured power in Kiev but it may have played the U.S. and its allies for fools by insinuating it would become part of the Western sphere when it really had no such designs. As Svoboda political council member Yury Noyevy baldly target="_hplink" rel="nofollow">admitted: “The participation of Ukrainian nationalism and Svoboda in the process of EU [European Union] integration is a means to break our ties with Russia.”


Be they radical mujahideen or neo-fascists, Washington certainly has a penchant for bolstering shadowy forces, usually labeling them with risible euphemisms like “freedom fighters,” in order to satiate short-term geopolitical needs, despite said factions being inimical to America’s true long-term interests.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 1, 2017 - 6:48pm
Here is the link to the above article excerpt http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4938747
I'm not a huge fan of the Huffington Post but they are fairly mainstream. If not to your tastes Google Ukraine Nazi Coup and many other articles from a variety of sources all over the political spectrum become available. 
John Minehan Added Mar 1, 2017 - 7:17pm
A good source for Prof. Cohen's opinions The John Batchelor Show
Patrick Writes Added Mar 2, 2017 - 12:00am
Good post. Exactly right on all counts. 

Crimea was a part of Russia for something 150 years. One of their 3 major Naval bases has been there for as long (and still is today).
 
Kruschev symbolically gifted the Crimea to the Ukraine in the 1960's (because he was from the Ukraine). It was a symbolic gesture at the time that had real consequences when the Soviet Union fell because Crimea (and Russia's Black Sea Fleet naval base) was part of the Ukraine from then on. 
 
Russia was peacefully leasing this base from Ukraine until a few years ago when it appears meddling from the CIA influenced Ukraine to cancel the lease to Russia. That was when the rebels, the vote, the annexation happened. 
 
The CIA did the same to Georgia (right on Russia's doorstep) when Georgia agreed to host the NATO 'missile shield', fighting erupted in two breakaway provinces of theirs who apparently want to be part of Russia. It's all politics, the CIA was trying to undermine Russia's nuke deterrent toward Europe. 
 
I imagine it would be totally different if Russia started building anti-missile weapon systems in Cuba and Mexico and Canada designed to swat our nuclear missiles from the sky. We would sit back and be totally cool with that. There would be no fallout from that (or "rebels" wouldn't materialize if Russia tried to take over Panama and the canal from "us"--it's still under our watchful eye, like we tried to do to them with their Black Sea naval base). 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 2, 2017 - 12:05am
Thanks for the link John. And good additional information Patrick. Thanks for the input all. 
Patrick Writes Added Mar 2, 2017 - 1:24am
Just read an article today in the NYTimes doubling down on all this nonsense. "Anonymous sources" in the intelligence community were monitoring Trump's people and their contact with Russia during the election. They won't say what the "contact" was or who the anonymous sources were. But there was a lot of "contact" apparently.
 
And General Flynn, don't forget him. He had "contact" with the Russian ambassador too and lied about. 
 
It's a whole lot of innuendo and speculating. And bizarrely, it cast Obama doing some eyebrowing raising stuff in his final days in a positive light because "Obama knew this was happening and left clues with the intelligence community so they could bring it to light once Trump was president". 
 
And the comments, people are saying it's bigger than Watergate and Trump should be impeached. And Trump's income taxes and financial statement will prove he has vast financial interests in Russia and is some kind of Manuchurian candidate for Russia. 
 
Something really strange is definitely going on. The "enlightened" NYTimes readers are too stupid to see it, can't see through their hatred for Trump. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 2, 2017 - 4:23am
And Trump's income taxes and financial statement will prove he has vast financial interests in Russia
 
So what ? Better having financial interests than going to war. After all, nobody can tell me other presidents in the world are Saints and have no interest in financial matters...
MJ Added Mar 2, 2017 - 8:37am
Patrick, looks to me the NYT have a big share in the negativity towards Trump.
Stone, I don`t know why anyone wants to say you are anti-US while you come up for their President whenever you can and you are against the unnecessary wars in the ME for which the US taxpayers pay---talk about being biased!
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 2, 2017 - 8:40am
Biased isn't the word I'd have chosen MJ. :)
MJ Added Mar 2, 2017 - 9:24am
Jeffry, help me with the right word so that Stone have something to throw back! haha.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 2, 2017 - 9:32am
I'd have used two words MJ:
 
dogshit stupid
 
That's just me, I could be wrong. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 2, 2017 - 11:29am
MJ
 
People don't understand the difference between being anti-American and anti-US-corporatocracy. Maybe some schooling would help, but since Darwin has to fight against flat earth and stuff......unlikely.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 2, 2017 - 11:30am
....but thanks for the support, MJ and Jeffry :-)
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 2, 2017 - 11:54am
I was just reminded of my "anti-Americanism" on another article. So I detailed:
 
So I declare a last fucking time: I AM
 
anti-US-corporatocracy
 
means:
 
- The Multinationals
- The Pentagon
- The secret services
- The MIC
- Wall Street
- FED and consorts
- UNO/UNESCO/NATO/WEF/World Bank/IMF
 
....that's not the regular Joe, right ?
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 2, 2017 - 11:58am
....and that includes more countries than the US. The above only make too much noise and prefer violence to reason.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 2, 2017 - 7:31pm
Stone-Eatter I would probably add to that list the fake news corporate mainstream media outlets and the Zionist lobby (AIPAC in the USA). They are a far greater threat to freedom both in the United States and globally than Russia even back in the Soviet Era. And involved in more actual election tampering here and abroad as well. 
 
It's hard to get quality information with disinformation and inundo sites like the corporate mainstream media outlets to rely on. Democracy cannot function when lies crowd out truth in the service of hidden agendas. Neither can life on earth. As terrible as the two 20th century World Wars were in the expenditure of life and destruction of cities, the weapons were puny compared to the thermonuclear weapons of today.
According to reports, just one Russian Satan II nuclear missile has sufficient destructive force to obliterate France or the state of Texas.
 
Russia, surrounded by 28 hostile NATO countries egged on by insane neoconservatives and crazed US generals, relies on nuclear weapons to protect its homeland. In recent years, various Russian officials have said that Russia will never again fight a war on its own territory. This should tell us something, but it hasn’t.
 
If you have a brain, ask yourself what this orchestrated conflict with Russia is about. Putin has said that he wants no conflict, that Russia threatens no one. But the Western presstitutes declare that Russia is a threat, and the generals who Trump has appointed to the highest positions in his new
government say that “Russia is the principal threat to the US.” If you believe Putin, you are a Russian dupe or even a traitor. If you believe the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, BBC,  and/or voted for Hillary Clinton you have signed up for Armageddon.
 
People without valid information cannot make valid decisions. No where in the West other a handful of independent news media websites is there any valid information. And the brainwashed mislabel those as "Russian propaganda" or no value personal blogs. 
 
Still the quality independent journalists readership with all the reposts and foreign translations is very large compared to, for example, the Washington Post or New York Times, but it is small compared to the totality of the Western media, all of which repeat the same lies. If truth readers were organized, and believed Margaret Mead, they would suffice, but they are not organized. They are scattered all over the world.
 
The neoconservatives and neoliberals are organized. The military/security complex also is organized, and so are the bankers, Wall Street, and global corporations. For the military/security complex, the world is something to put at risk for their enormous “security” budget. For the bankers, Wall Street, and global corporations, the world is there to be plundered. The plunder has been exposed over and over. See for example, John Perkins, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, but the plunder continues via world organizations such as the IMF and World Bank, allegedly goody-goody Western institutions to “help the needy countries.”
 
Seldom in history have the people had a voice. Those who try to give people a voice are portrayed negatively by the ruling elites. Thomas Paine’s Common Sense is the founding document of the American Revolution. His book, Rights of Man, sold 500,000 copies, making it the best-selling book of the 18th century. In Britain his reward was to be charged with sedition by the government and declared an outlaw. In the US, Federalist newspapers in Boston portrayed him as a drunkard and infidel. There is no monument to him in Washington, D.C. As Lewis Lapham has written, “Paine’s plain and forthright speaking is out of tune with our own contemporary political discourse, which for the most part is the gift for saying nothing.” Or for pummeling you with false news.
 
EXPAT Added Mar 2, 2017 - 10:09pm
How to avoid responsibility for what you say and write!
 
Lesson # 1
Use nondescript terminology such as:
anti-US-corporatocracy
 
There are 1.6 million Corporations in America, and the number is shrinking every year due to mergers, acquisitions, and failures. To assert there is a common meaning in all this is absurd. I agree with the Sherman Anti Trust act of 1890, that monopolies must be controlled. Since 1993, corporations have run amok and must be reigned in. Corporatocracy has no meaning and is an invention of the left.
 
Lesson # 2
Invent a meaning using nebulous terms that describe nothing.
means:
 
- The Multinationals
- The Pentagon
- The secret services
- The MIC
- Wall Street
- FED and consorts
- UNO/UNESCO/NATO/WEF/World Bank/IMF

 
Lesson # 3
Disavow you are against the population that controls, operates and profits from these institutions, and hope no one calls you out on your deception!
 
....that's not the regular Joe, right ?

 
Lesson # 4
Post your anti-American delusion on WB, where at least 20 patrons will agree with you, and the rest won't bother to refute the same old left CRAP.
 
Caution!
America is waking up to the fact that no matter how they try to improve living conditions for the masses of the world; only their failures will be remembered. Their successes, which are immeasurable. such as rebuilding a world devastated by WWII, will be ignored.
AMERCIA FIRST! As President Trump said: “What have you got to lose?”
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 3, 2017 - 12:34am
Their successes, which are immeasurable. such as rebuilding a world devastated by WWII
 
All the evil DUHmerica has done before and since will never be outweighed by it's self serving (As in selling massive amounts of stuff to countries being rebuilt) rebuilding. 
 
DUHmerica is a pox upon the planet that needs to be and will be brought to heel. 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 3, 2017 - 12:49am
Thank you for that revealing letter Slade. Interesting lesson Espat. But according to Wikipedia, which isn't exactly my Bible, but just the same, corporatocracy isn't a left or right ideology. And there are countless people across the political spectrum who have problems with American "exceptionalis". Jeffry for instance is hardly what I would call a liberal. Am I wrong about that? 
 
And there is this (from Wikipedia):
Corporatocracy /ˌkɔːrpərəˈtɒkrəsi/, is a recent term used to refer to an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests.[1] It is most often used today as a term to describe the current economic situation in a particular country, especially the United States.[2][3]This is different from corporatism, which is the organisation of society into groups with common interests. Corporatocracy as a term is often used by observers across the political spectrum.[2][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15]
Economist Jeffrey Sachs described the United States as a corporatocracy in The Price of Civilization (2011).[16] He suggested that it arose from four trends: weak national parties and strong political representation of individual districts, the large U.S. military establishment after 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 3, 2017 - 12:52am
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after World War II, big corporate money financing election campaigns, and globalization tilting the balance away from workers.[16]
This collective is what author C Wright Mills in 1956 called the 'power elite', wealthy individuals who hold prominent positions in corporatocracies. They control the process of determining a society's economic and political policies.[17]
The concept has been used in explanations of bank bailouts, excessive pay for CEOs, as well as complaints such as the exploitation of national treasuries, people, and natural resources.[18] It has been used by critics of globalization,[19] sometimes in conjunction with criticism of the World Bank[20] or unfair lending practices,[18]as well as criticism of "free trade agreements".[19]
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 3, 2017 - 12:54am
 
Seems neutral to me. Just like American "exceptionalism" itself. 
 
EXPAT Added Mar 3, 2017 - 4:59am
Jenifer. You really need to get some fresh air. Which of the 1.6 million Corporations are in your Corporatocracy? Is Coca-Cola now a world threat? Stone fears McDonalds will invade Switzerland and choke everybody with Big Mac's.
Reality never bothers the left.
EXPAT Added Mar 3, 2017 - 6:03am
America is at war with itself! Since we are evenly divided, it will go on until both sides realize we are punching ourselves in the face for no reason. The left Cheek and the Right Cheek have the same heart.
 
Even on simple concepts like more jobs for minorities, our Government cannot come together. Why?  Because we live in a fantasy world that has become a Cyber game that must be won.
 
We fight this war on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Google, and WB. What used to be News is now fabricated, twisted, disingenuous propaganda for whatever side.
Democrats blame their failure on the Russians instead of a bad candidate and a flawed campaign.
 
Worst of all the Republican team refuses to support their Quarterback.
 
Does anyone expect this to end well? How can People go through 4 years of University, and come out with no common sense.
 
Forget this Thermonuclear War stuff.  We have met the Enemy, and he is US.
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 3, 2017 - 8:19am
Great article and I agree that there are a lot of pressures from many groups pushing us to renew hostilities with Russia, but I believe at least part of that is based on how old some of these politicians are on both sides of the aisle.  Hillary, Schumer, Pelosi, even those like McCain on the Right all grew up seeing Russia as evil, the Devil, the ultimate bad guys in the world and all those years of brainwashing themselves with this mindset can't just be turned off.
 
Russia must be hated, there is no other option for many of these old school politicians.
 
I personally do not see Russia as evil, they are simply responding the only way that is logical considering the situations they are faced with.  Ukraine was the victim of an American supported violent takeover orchestrated by Europe because the current Ukraine administration would not sign their trade deal.  So Europe supported a group to take over by force and got America to agree to instantly recognize the new unelected government as valid.  This of course created a lot of problems for Russia, not the least of them being their military port in Crimea.  What else was Russia supposed to do but take action to defend their military port?
Tamara Wilhite Added Mar 3, 2017 - 12:59pm
Liberals would rather drum up war with Russia than team up with Russia to fight groups like ISIS.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 3, 2017 - 1:50pm
Liberals would rather drum up war with Russia than team up with Russia to fight groups like ISIS.
 
I don't think it's a question of political orientation. It's more simple. It's about profit and power. -isms are a mere distraction.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 3, 2017 - 5:03pm
Money, power, respect, the three goals of the Scarface crowd. And better not get in the way. 
 
Welcome to Writer's Beat Louis, nice to see you here from Medium. I think you'll fit right in. 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 3, 2017 - 6:55pm
The following article supports much of what Louis said and predicts the demise of the Democratic Party (let's hope) 
Article: Paving the way for a new progressive party?: Democratic Leaders are a Craven Bunch of Idiots Bent on Self-Destruction | OpEdNews - https://www.opednews.com/populum/pagem.php?f=Paving-the-way-for-a-new-p-by-Dave-Lindorff-Corporatocracy_Democratic-Cowards_Democratic-Lies_Democratic-National-Committee-170303-270.html
As the article also points out it is primarily the Democrats who are now endlessly blaming Russia, demonizing and antagonizing Russia. Russia! A country that is no longer communist, that poses no territorial or military threat to Europe but wants to become an integral part of the European economy, a country that has no foreign bases, except in Syria, and that has no deep water navy patrolling all the seven seas, with drones and special forces bombing and raiding countries around the globe, as does the US.
 
But how can this happen when all attempts to normalize relations are treated like a criminal act? 
 
As a traditional liberal Awakened progressive I see this happening. The neoliberalsl/neocons pushing us to war with Russia. Be it deliberate or not it's the same result. The Ronald Reagan conservative Paul Craig Roberts sees it in a very similar light as I this despite our political differences. Read his words from a recent newsletter here:
 
What Is To Be Done?
 
Paul Craig Roberts
 
The question in the title is V.I. Lenin’s question. His answer was to create a revolutionary “vanguard” to spread revolutionary ideas among the workers, the economic class that Karl Marx had declared to be the class rising to the ascendency of political power. Finally, democracy, frustrated by upper class interests in its earlier manifestations, would become reality. The workers would rule.
 
Given the presence of evil and human failing, it did not work out in that way. But Lenin’s question remains a valid one. Americans whose economic life and prospects for their children have been destroyed by the offshoring of American manufacturing and tradable professional skills jobs, such as software engineering, answered the question by electing Donald Trump.
 
The Americans, dispossessed by the offshoring corporations, elected Trump, because Trump was the only American running for a political office who called attention to the problem and declared his intention to fix it.
 
By standing up for Americans, Trump alienated the global corporations, their executives and shareholders, all of whom benefit from stealing the economic life of Americans and producing abroad where labor and regulatory costs are lower. Neoliberal junk economists describe this labor arbitrage, which reduces the real incomes of the American labor force, as the beneficial working of free trade.
 
These offshoring firms not only have destroyed the economic prospects of millions of Americans, but also have destroyed the payroll tax base of Social Security and Medicare, and the tax base of local and state governments, with the consequence that numerous pension systems are on the verge of failure. The New York Teamsters Road Carriers Local 707 Pension Fund has just failed. This failure, experts predict, is the beginning of a tsunami that will spread into municipal and state pension systems.
 
When you add up the external costs of jobs offshoring that are imposed on Americans, the costs far exceed the value of the profits that flow to the One Percent. Clearly, this is an intolerable situation.
 
Dispossessed Americans rose up. They ignored the presstitute media, or perhaps were driven to support Trump by the hostility of the media. Trump was elected by dispossessed America, by the working class.
 
The working class is out of favor with the elite liberal/progressive/left which abhors the working class as racist, misogynist, homophobic, gun nuts who oppose transgendered toilet facilities. Thus, the working class, and their chosen representative, Donald Trump, are under full assault by the presstitutes. “Trump Must Go” is their slogan.
 
And well he might. Trump, in a fit of stupidity, dismissed his National Security Advisor, Gen. Flynn, because Flynn did what he should have done and spoke with the Russian ambassador in order to avoid a Russian response to Obama’s provocation of expelling Russian diplomats at Christmas.
 
Russians have been demonized and ascribed demonic powers. If you speak to a Russian, you fall under suspicion and become a traitor to your
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 3, 2017 - 6:57pm
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If you speak to a Russian, you fall under suspicion and become a traitor to your country. This is the story according to the CIA, the Democratic Party, the military/security complex, and the presstitute media.
 
Once Trump put Flynn’s blood in the water, he set the situation for the sacrifice of other of his appointees, ending with himself. At the present time, “the Russian connection” black mark is operating against Trump’s Attorney General, Jeff Sessions. If Sessions falls, Trump is next.
 
Let’s be clear. As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Sessions met with the Russian ambassador, just as he met with a number of other countries’ ambassadors. There is nothing unusual or surprising about a US senator meeting with foreign diplomatic representatives.
 
Those who accuse Sessions of lying are misrepresenting the facts. Sessions met with ambassadors in his capacity as a US Senator, not in his capacity as a Trump representative. As a former US Senate staffer, I can attest that it is perfectly normal for US Senators to meet with diplomats. John McCain and Lindsey Graham even fly to the Middle East to meet with terrorists.
 
Despite the facts, the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN and all the rest of the CIA’s media whores are consciously and intentionally misrepresenting the facts. Americans do not need any more evidence that the entirety of the American media is totally devoid of integrity and respect for truth. The American media is a collection of whores who lie for a living. The presstitutes are despicable, the scum of the earth.
 
The real question is how has contact with Russian government officials become criminalized, grounds for removing a National Security Adviser, an Attorney General, and impeaching a President himself. President John F. Kennedy had ongoing contact with Khrushchev, the head of the Soviet government, in order to resolve the Cuban/Turkish missile crisis without nuclear war. President Nixon had ongoing contact with the Russians in order to achieve SALT I and the anti-ballistic missile treaty. President Carter had ongoing contact with Russians in order to achieve SALT II. President Reagan worked with the Russian leader in order to end the Cold War. I know. I was there.
 
But if President Trump wants to defuse the extremely dangerous tensions that the reckless Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama regimes have resurrected with a powerful thermo-nuclear state that only wants peace with the US, President Trump and any of his appointees who spoke to a Russian are unfit for office! This madness is the position of the idiot liberal/progressive/left, the CIA, the Democratic Party, the right-wing morons of the Republican Party such as Lindsey Graham and John McCain, and the two-bit whores that comprise the Western media.
 
Dear reader, ask yourself, how did communications with Russians in the interest of peace and the reduction of tensions become a criminal act? Have laws been passed that it is forbidden for US officials to speak with Russian officials? Are you so utterly stupid that a presstitute media that has never in your entire life told you anything that was truthful can convince you that those who seek to avoid a conflict between thermo-nuclear powers are “Russian agents”?
 
I have no doubt that the vast bulk of Western populations are insouciant. But if there is no intelligence and awareness left anywhere in the population, and most certainly there is none whatsoever in the governments of the West or in the Western media or the Identity Politics of the liberal/progressive/left, then don’t expect to be alive much longer.
 
The entirety of the world has been put on the knife edge of existence by the arrogance, stupidity, and hubris of the neoconservative pursuit of American world hegemony. The neoconservative ideology is perfect cover for the material interest of the military/security Deep State that is driving the world to destruction.
 
 
 
Shane Laing Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:51pm
Nuclear war with Russian just simply is not going to happen MAD sees to that.  What would be the point? Intercontinental Nuclear War would basically kill the planet. It's all down to one-upmanship.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:09pm
Shane, while I appreciate your input you apparently missed the point. The vast majority of the idiots driving us to war with Russia are not doing so deliberately but rather to fuel the military/security complex budget they concocted the "Russia threat". But the Russians don't know this to be the case. Neither do the generals on the front lines of either side. Wars have started over less. And the missiles and troops on Russia's boards mirrors the Cuban missile crisis. No one thought concerns over nuclear war breaking out over that was unjustified so since this is the same thing except with America as the bad guys how can you be taken seriously just dismissing the clear and present dangers now? Wake up and open your eyes before it's too late. 
Shane Laing Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:57pm
Jenifer I should point out I am ex military and live two doors away from my friend Oleg who is ex Russian army we both served from the 70s-90s . He, as were his superior officers aware of the dangers of launching full scale nuclear war.  I am now, as I am sure the Russians are fully aware that the President is just flexing his muscles to show what a tough man he is to the public at large and as you say fuel the military/security budget. Cuba was a slightly different situation with the Russians wanting to park missiles on Cuban soil just a stones throw from the USA. I do however take your point and see that he is inflaming the situation and he most probably has friends in the defence industry hoping to make some money.   
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 9, 2017 - 12:49pm
The Aegis missile "defense" system was installed by NATO recently on Russia's boarders (citation of this was noted from the New York Times in my article above BTW). The AMBs can easily be switched out for nukes with no warning or notice, and this in fact may have already happened, thus the situation is the same as with Cuba. I have several Russia friends who inform me of what things are like there, including the now weekly nuclear bomb drills since this situation has escalated. Blindness is ignoring the obvious risks we all now face in this situation. 
 
I'm posting a chapter two about this, this weekend. This part primarily dealt with the Obama regime created situation, but despite promises to the contrary from Trump, the Empire marches onwards... 
Shane Laing Added Mar 10, 2017 - 2:45am
Tactical nuclear weapons have been around for ages we were under constant threat of them while I was stationed in Germany. Any missile launch system can be changed to carry a nuclear warhead. Any attack by the USA would result in a military attack using Typhoon and Borei classes of Russian submarines. Both types carry a nuclear threat of complete destruction of America.  The very idea of a war escalating from the use of tactical to ICBMs is truly horrific but has been around for the last 40 years.  Both sides realise the consequences hence MAD. I agree with you completely than any escalation or the increase of a perceived threat to Russia from the US is not a smart thing to do. The two sides should get together for more SALT talks, a de-escalation of the tensions and removal of weapons systems on both sides.   The problem with that though is that the leaders of both sides like to strut around like peacocks.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 10, 2017 - 11:51am
The change in that calculus now Shane is that CFR has circulated five white papers all contending nuclear war is winnable. Its therefore inevitable. 
 
I'm cool with it. I live in blast range of HQ for DUHmerica's Pivot to Asia. The DUHmerican Embassy in BKK.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:03pm
Jeffry is correct. Here is more on the lunatics who believe nuclear war with Russia is winnable:
Dreams of ‘Winning’ Nuclear War on Russia – Consortiumnews - https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/10/dreams-of-winning-nuclear-war-on-russia
Shane Laing Added Mar 15, 2017 - 9:30am
Just read that article. Now that is very scary. Anyone who thinks a nuclear war is winnable should be locked up. Surely the president cannot be stupid enough to believe that.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 16, 2017 - 12:52am
I hope you are correct Shane. 
Jeff Michka Added Mar 17, 2017 - 8:29pm
Back to..." Oh, it will sting a bit. 20 million dead, tops." As Shane noted: Anyone who thinks a nuclear war is winnable should be locked up. Surely the president cannot be stupid enough to believe that.  - You hope the orange blob cannot be that stupid.  operative word: hope.  Pair "hope" with "change" if you want an excercise in frustration.

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