Goodbye Writer Beat

Goodbye Writer Beat
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I’m sorry but my involvement with the Writer Beat endeavor is officially no more.  The ugly truth about the site is that nearly all of our users are the product of my behind the scenes personal outreach efforts.  In the beginning that was to be expected, but it’s been four years, you would think every once in a while someone I didn’t personally contact would learn of the site and choose to give it a try.  Scouring LinkedIn and now Medium looking for new authors is exhausting work and I’m not interested as I once was in continuing the effort.

 

There is also the matter of censorship/site moderation.  About a month ago my brother and I had a major fight about whether or not to take a more proactive role in site moderation.  While I’m starting to see it his way, I don’t think the two of us will ever be on the same page entirely and don’t want to risk our relationship again.

 

Best of luck to you all.

Comments

Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 5, 2017 - 8:41am
Sorry to hear that Autumn. All the best wherever you go and whatever you do. 
Billy Roper Added Mar 5, 2017 - 8:54am
Well, good luck to you in the future. I know full well how frustrating it can be trying to encourage participation from people in an oversaturated market. What does this portend for the future of Writer Beat?
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 9:14am
Autumn
 
Sorry about that. You were doing such a great job, but i understand that once in a while one has to work to get money and can't do all for free ;-)
 
From me too - all the best and thanks for the time !!
Opes Added Mar 5, 2017 - 9:26am
How many members do you have here? This site is a wild ride sometimes. I've seen the ugly stuff elsewhere on philosophy websites to where the talk devolves to name calling and insults. That even happens at LinkedIn group discussions.
 
Have you ever heard of restaurants who specialize in rude service? Well, there are some around that customers like.
Kaushik Venkatasubramaniyan Added Mar 5, 2017 - 9:48am
This is a surprise Autumn but as you're aware, every ending heralds a new beginning. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 5, 2017 - 9:56am
Autumn:  "more proactive role in site moderation"  I don't know if there was any more that you needed to do.  I think just a blocking tool would have been enough.  Possibly SEF would not be leaving if he could just block that person who spoke so awful about the Swiss and Switzerland.  People can say what ever they like, people can also be freely blocked by others who may not want their nonsense. People would be a little bit more considerate because nobody wants to be blocked.  If Facebook didn't have that option, it would have died long ago.
 
Autumn - now that you're leaving, this place is going to close down. It is too bad that you worked so hard on a failed product.  Before Facebook, there were lots of places liked this and I like this better than Facebook.  I would have liked to see this succeed.  Wish my best. Peace Be With You, Blessed Be.  - Roger
Richard Plank Added Mar 5, 2017 - 10:03am
Tricky issue; what with free speech versus limits on free speech.  Not really good solution you get the good with the bad.
Best of luck to you Autumn and thank you for what you have done; hopefully your legacy will stand the test of time.
MJ Added Mar 5, 2017 - 10:12am
MPP, Autumn is WB and WB is Autumn, if she says goodbye, WB says goodbye!
Autumn, please, please just block the culprits who threaten the lives of others indirectly or directly and see if that does not change back to the old WB.
WE mingle with psychopaths in our daily lives and WB has it`s fair share as well and you can easily see who they are..........The ones who forever try to draw all the attention to themselves whether by radical and explicit articles or by insulting beyond the norm of any moral and accepted behaviour. Please!
William Stockton Added Mar 5, 2017 - 10:14am
You would think every once in a while someone I didn’t personally contact would learn of the site and choose to give it a try.
 
<raises hand>
 
Thank you, Autumn, for your hard work.  This has been an overall good experience for me.  Your job couldn't have been pleasant nor easy as I am sure you were inundated with emails from people complaining about this or that.  
Free speech in our modern PC world is nearly impossible to support.  Especially for a moderator.  Many people love to be offended as if it a badge of honor.  And so many people are just plain mental about current political issues.
 
Cheers.  Please keep us informed of your latest endeavors.
William Stockton Added Mar 5, 2017 - 10:37am
Perhaps a famous quote . . . 
 
“I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve”
        --Bilbo Baggins in his farewell bidding
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 5, 2017 - 10:46am
Autumn writes "You would think every once in a while someone I didn’t personally contact would learn of the site and choose to give it a try." 
 
I am the one who invited Louis Meeks to Writer’s Beat, just to set the record straight. I have an interest in the site and do what I can. I also wrote Autumn last night about the Slade-Stone incident hoping for perhaps an article from Autumn with some words of wisdom or encouragement but certainly not this kind of reaction. As another has asked, what happens now? 
Dave Volek Added Mar 5, 2017 - 10:50am
Autumn: I read Stone's final column yesterday and was thinking of an interesting way to respond to it, and then you came up with your departure. So much of what I was going to say to Stone probably applies to you as well.
 
I joined WB in fall of 2014; I was one of your LinkedIn recruits.  I did have an ulterior motive as I am trying to promote my TDG, a new system of governance. On WB, I wasn't getting much traction for that motive, so I decided to put my spare time and energy elsewhere--and left in the spring of 2015. I came back last November just to try again.
 
I would say that the culture of WB in my first journey wasn't great, but it was better than other internet newsgroups I have been involved with. In my second journey, the culture has deteriorated to the level of most political newsgroups. I wasn't going to stay around much longer.
 
For those who have opposing viewpoints than mine (I have been called a liberal or progressive), chasing me off WB might be a victory: you are right, I am wrong. The end justifies the means. Your side has taken control of a piece of the media to prevent others like me from expressing myself. This is the game you are playing, right? Well, just to let you know that you have deterred me not one bit. I am onto something bigger than being a liberal or progressive or socialist or whatever you want to call me.
 
And I should add that the political left are good at playing this game as well as the political right. It's just that the political right seems to dominate WB.
 
Autumn, it is all about free choice. You made the choice to start this venture; you made the choice to keep it as a free speech format. Stone, a prime contributor, has made a free choice to leave because someone else made a free choice to insult him in the worst way possible. I am making a free choice to try out WB for a short time and leave if tangible results are not forthcoming.
 
When one of my articles get trashed by a libertarian thinker who didn't seem to read my article, I have taken that as a bit of a challenge. Rather than re-iterate my article, I try to make some counter points to what he has said. But he just runs over my counter points as if they were not there. When I point out that he deliberately stepped aside from my counterpoints, he continues to ignore them, concocting some more vile. At some point, I have to stop dialogue with this fellow.
 
And in these days of "alternative facts," providing a link to another article no longer holds any sway with me. I have tried to use logic as my means to make my point. For example, one writer tried to make a point that wind turbines are ecologically irresponsible because they use a lot of concrete to anchor itself--and concrete has an ecological footprint. Rather than get into a debate about comparing the various papers about the environmental economics of wind energy, I said that to ban wind turbines on that basis should also mean banning any construction more than two stories for all these structures have "pilings," which are necessary underground concrete to anchor big buildings. The logic was lost on this writer. Another writer, on several occasions, likes to state that the economic growth when Reagan became president was due to his great understanding of economics, when in fact, the economy was subsidized for military spending by debt future Americans will have to pay off. There was no attempt to rebut my argument.   
 
Good writing is hard work. My time on WB is taking time away from two boys who need as much involvement from their father. I don't see I am changing the world in any way by participating on this forum. Why should I sacrifice time here for the benefit of WB? In fact, it would also be irresponsible for me to contribute to the level other WB writers are contributing.
 
Autumn: let's consider this all a learning experience. Allowing total free speech has not created a culture you were looking for. Otherwise you would not be resigning your position.
 
What I have learned on WB is that we still have a long ways to go to abandon our power and democratic ways of thinking and move towards a more consultative approach that combines the knowledge, wisdom, and experience of all participants into one voice.
 
And that "consultative" note, WB writers, is a big part of my book. You can find it by googling my name and chasing down a link or two. But I bet you won't: You already have all the answers.
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 5, 2017 - 10:50am
Thank-you Autumn for every ounce of effort that you have put into WB. I am truly grateful for you turning me on to the site and the education it has provided me. 
Success can be defined in many different ways and most often it is not as we envisioned. 
Dino Manalis Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:05am
Goodbye, Autumn, All the Best!
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:08am
Strange....today's my 59th birthday. Pity that this article arrives that day :-(
MJ Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:14am
Congratulations Stone, may this year become a watershed in your life and I wish you all the blessings you may need on your new road.
I was trying to think whose birthday it was all day, sorry for not remembering in time!
 
Bill H. Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:16am
Thanks for all of your efforts, Autumn.
As we have all witnessed, the site moved from frank discussions to a level of slander and insults by a few users that kept altering what was considered crossing the "line" out here.
What we recently witnessed was totally uncalled for and I believe was a slap in the face for all Americans.
I think what we all learned is that society in many cases is locked into their political/religious "bubbles" and will not even consider or respect the opinions of others. Of course, we now have a "President" who is now setting that same example, which will undoubtedly make things even worse.
What surprised and amazed me was the amount of people who would simply label an individual as a "Liberal/ Conservative/ Democrat/ Republican/ Socialist/ Fascist/ Nazi/ Progressive/ Snowflake/ Drug User?etc" and then simply continue to disagree with virtually ANY statement, opinion, idea, solution, or source of information that the target author would provide, even if it closely resembled or agreed with their "platform" or party views on occasion.
If this is where society is going, or is already, It's time for that big rock in the sky to do it's duty and make room for something more logical.
 
MJ Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:19am
Couldn`t agree more Bill!
Steve Borsher Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:19am
Stone,
 
Maybe that confluence will lead to a rebirth. And you've got opne more year before you officially start to get old; make the best of it.
 
Autumn,
 
Thanks for the "grand experiment". What will happen to the site now? Should we all download our articles that we want to keep? How long do we have?
Shane Laing Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:43am
Autumn I would just like to thank you for inviting me to join.  I wish you all the best.
Billy Roper Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:48am
Autumn invited me from Linked In, and I'm glad that she did. I made a few friends and connections, and learned a lot from others, most of whom I enjoyed interacting with. I hope that Writer Beat continues, but if it does not, thank you all. Those who'd like to can e-mail me at roper_billy@yahoo.com or hit me up on Twitter @RoperBilly or just Google me. Now, we'll see what happens.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:54am
Steve
 
Did you have to remind me of the number 60 ? LOL
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 11:56am
BTW: I saved most articles as PDF from time to time. I mean, even if it's not worldly important, it's a souvenir and my daughter (13), who has English in school, reads them also. That way I can indoctrinate her more easily LOL
George N Romey Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:00pm
Unfortunately social blogging websites reflect the changes in how people are communicating. I believe the content on WB, even with some of the vile comments far better than the fluff and downright stupidity on Medium.  I hope WB lives on. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:00pm
Billy
 
Even though we're not on the same side, I'd be interested in your works, if only to see if we can agree on some ideas. I guess yes. I never met ANYBODY in my life with whom I couldn't agree on ANYTHING. And when people are honest they must admit that. I'll keep contact.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:03pm
Awe shit!  Come on!  Please don't let filthy bullies defeat you.  Don't let them win.  Try, try try to rise above this. 
 
Autumn, the power is in your hands.  Please don't let the WB torch be extinguished by hate.  If you have to moderate the site temporarily, so be it.  You are forgiven for that.  Giving in here is another victory for the dark forces in our time.  Please don't.
 
Let's have a meeting or something.  Let the virtuous and righteous prevail.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:05pm
My email:  tommypurc@gmail.com for those who wish to discuss the WB status and/or stay connected with me.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:06pm
Tom
 
Maybe I use that as an excuse for having no time left once in Dakar.....who knows ? ;-)
Steve Borsher Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:08pm
Autumn always said that WB was tough on women; now it has taken the ultimate toll.
 
Stone,
 
I'm 70 this year, so no sympathy from me, youngster. And I am busy now downloading my articles into Word with all the comments and links, as sort of a legacy for my grandsons. We'll just have to continue of Facebook.
George N Romey Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:10pm
My email romey1487@gmail.com.  If anyone out there has the resources to put together a website similar to WB I'm all ears.  Medium as I said is mostly stupidity and self gloating and only professional writers (that are likely funneling $$ to the site) get featured.  I think WB if it could reach critical mass would become commercially viable.  The problem you have with censorship is that Autumn would have become a full time referee.  The best way to rid yourself of a troll is to ignore and don't feed the troll.  I'd laugh at anyone on this site threatening me.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:14pm
Exactly, George.  Feed the troll and they'll keep coming back.  A friend of mine learned that the hard way - after feeding the cute raccoons that frequented his yard.
Billy Roper Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:29pm
Stone, my personal blog is here:
https://theroperreportsite.wordpress.com/
Billy Roper Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:29pm
Sorry, I screwed up the hyperlink:
 
https://theroperreportsite.wordpress.com/
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:45pm
Billy
 
Thanks. Bookmarked it for further read :-)
wsucram15 Added Mar 5, 2017 - 1:38pm
Autumn;
In my almost 4 years on here, I have seen so many people come and go.  But this I never expected and I dont know why..the toll on you has got to be enormous as we only feel one side.
I do apologize for any part I might have had for any stress to you directly. I know I have had some direct issues with things said to myself personally and my daughter in the few months.
With that said, I dont think the idea was to win the war, it was always just to write on a page with other writers and exchange ideas.  Conflict is a part of that.  
What you are caught up in, is not so much the freedom of speech in all forms, but the anger of people and climate of today.  I see it in many places now, its just more extreme in one closed space.
Even though your defense of free speech above all else is a noble one and I absolutely respect, I was always glad you gave us a delete button.   Thank you for your understanding, effort and precious time.
Patrick Writes Added Mar 5, 2017 - 1:52pm
Best of luck, Autumn. Thanks for inviting me and giving me the opportunity to work on my writing here. 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:20pm
Jeanne
 
We keep on fighting.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:21pm
Tom
 
Sent you my mail. Keep hoping :-)
EXPAT Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:52pm
I am tempted to write a Post Mortem here, but will save it for whatever replaces WB.
Whenever I suggested to Autumn on posts like this, that the quality writers were being driven away by all the negatives, and that she should promote good writing instead of controversy, she would disagree.
NOW SHE AGREE'S!
 
This was my window on the common man in America. Like a cyber Barroom. But when I sent my friends a link to a story I had written, they would come back at me saying, how can you patronize a site like that.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:56pm
The reason I am on WB is because the pursuit and delivery of truth is unobstructed.  WB is worth rescuing and to do so, Autumn must be here to preserve it's integrity. 
George N Romey Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:03pm
It seems as though Autumn needs to bail out to save her relationship with her brother.  I certainly understand this. My question is does she have someone that wants to take over the site, or will it soon go dark?  I hope not. 
Kaushik Venkatasubramaniyan Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:05pm
We can keep the portal going. We just have to keep posting and those of us who can, can contribute if and when necessary. Writers can delete comments on their articles that attack persons rather than ideas or opposing solutions and countering with their own solutions with sound reasoning. 
Steve Borsher Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:38pm
Shall we start writing a Declaration of Independence and a Constitution? I just took a One Day University course on them, so I am ready. 
wsucram15 Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:52pm
Slade..you just attacked the longest writer on this page I believe, which believe me says a lot about SEF.
There have been attacks equal to or worse, but the thing is, it was kind of the last straw.  The straw that broke the camels back...the last argument between Autumn and her brother.
Why should these people keep a page running for us when we dont appreciate it enough to respect them or each other?  Its a pretty simple concept.  
SEF..always.
EXPAT Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:34pm
Steve.
Ha Ha HA. A one day course makes you Qualified to write a Declaration of Independence and a Constitution That is about the level of sophistication on WB. 
GOOD ONE
Shane Dean Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:37pm
Well, I hope this is a mistake or at least a temporary break. I also hope WB doesn't go by the wayside.
 
For those interested, I have found another forum. Look up https://niume.com/home and see if you like it.
 
But I want WB to stick around all the same.
Billy Roper Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:44pm
Autumn, if you'd like for me to speak to a webmaster I know who can help you keep Writer Beat going, just let me know.
EXPAT Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:49pm
wsucram15 If you are Jeanne, and not one of the kids, You-Yourself wanted to leave WB because it was deteriorating from a discussion site to an Ideology site fueled by delusion. and rancor.
 
Specific issues were replaced by innuendo and copy/paste propaganda.
No intelligent person wants to hear that History is written by the Winners, or that America destroyed Africa, or that Nazi's were misunderstood victims of world events.
 
So you have a choice; leave or attack. What was left were the Pit Fighters, and only the most vicious survived.
It was a slow transition over the 2 years I was here.
EXPAT Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:53pm
P.S. Staying someplace, sometimes means you have no where else to go!
wsucram15 Added Mar 5, 2017 - 5:13pm
Expat.. You can stop that right now. I did not appreciate the email you sent about women, it was ridiculously insulting. Save that for your 2 GF. I have always defended you, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU FOUND THE SITE TOO OFFENSIVE and I TALKED YOU INTO COMING BACK.
Dont preach to me, Expat about fighting for the rights on this page with your condescension and please dont forget I know what you are doing.
  I will miss a couple of people and I was also here for almost 4 years watching writer after writer disappear.   Everyone has a line Expat.  People dont come onto a website to be abused.  It seems now White superiority might win even on this site, if there is no one left to maintain or take over the site, Roper might have someone.  I cannot  invest the time.  Can you?
This is a website Expat, we all like the site, but at what point do the decent people just let those that want to destroy everything just have it so we can build something new and better.
 
The site builders cant even fix it, its gotten so out of control.
 
Steve Borsher Added Mar 5, 2017 - 5:35pm
XP,
 
Yes, I was kidding, but if I told you what I did learn about those doc's you would flip out. Turns out, based upon letters left by the FFs, the South were legally favored by both docs, and both Lincoln and, later, MLK both misrepresented them to garner support. I would not make the omissions that the FFs did, which precipitated the Civil War. 
EXPAT Added Mar 5, 2017 - 6:00pm
wsucram15
This is either one of the kids, or Jeanne has drowned in Progressive Kool Aid. You poor fool. You have no idea what I am doing. Your pitiful attempt to insult me with 2GF shows your immaturity.
It is obvious your brain has been fried by drugs and ideology, so I will treat you like any other delusional simpleton.
Yes, I tried over the years to influence the course of discourse here, with no success.
I was about to pull the plug on this fiasco, as all the Writer (s) left, and only Beat remained.
You didn't like my humor about women because you have stopped being a woman! When we lose the ability to laugh at ourselves, we lose perspective.
 
When you lose track of who and what you are, there is nothing left to filter those who will lead you to destruction!
EXPAT Added Mar 5, 2017 - 6:18pm
Steve. In spite of Conservatives trying to say the Constitution and Bill are sacred, They both have been completely modified by a body of Law and interpretations by the Supremes.
 
I personally believe that after the coming Revolution, a Constructional commission will provide us with a document that reflects 21st. Century reality. I.E.  World Wide communication, coded Internet, false News, Corporate Monopolies, and International manipulation of the USD.
 
Yes, the FF allowed Slavery to bring the south into a union. And of course Civil Rights Legislation, that institutionalized Racial and sexual preferences was unconstitutional, but necessary.
 
So this Equality Bullshit has erupted in both sides destroying any chance of maintaining a union in its present form. 
Steve Borsher Added Mar 5, 2017 - 6:22pm
Amen to all that. Everyone is afraid to "open" the Constitution because of the changes that would come, but that is EXACTLY what should happen. The politicians, including the Supremes, thrive on the vagueness of its relevance to modern times; it's just another form of job security.
EXPAT Added Mar 5, 2017 - 6:30pm
P.S. If the web founders really wanted to change things I would help. But this is the creation of Autumn.
Maintaining a web site costs money! The objective had to have been selling advertising space to pay expenses. Unless the Cote family is wealthy and wanted a Cyber Artist Colony. But if that was the goal, then writers would have been championed, instead of antagonists.
Steve Borsher Added Mar 5, 2017 - 7:05pm
Could be that Autumn is just a voyeur that likes watching others in conflict, or perhaps a student of human psychology, making us all just rats in her maze. Squeak.
Gus Martinez Added Mar 5, 2017 - 8:27pm
Alas dear Autumn,
 
I fear that I will no longer hear of you. It has been wonderful being a part of this virtual reality world where we wrote, argued, debated, cussed out and made up while giving our opinions on the world, politics or just ourselves.
 
You created a wonderful space and there are many of us that entered, left, came back and always had our virtual coffee space to expound on our interests, likes and dislikes,
 
You made it possible and even today, I'm glad I met you as you got me writing again and communicating with other people. I'm not sure if you are the spinster on the typewriter or the cute redhead but either way you have my affection as a friend.
 
Hope the site can be sustained and if it a matter of doing a group fund I will gladly contribute. I figured out that the monetization wasn't coming through but maybe there are enough of us to make it viable.

I will always be grateful for the great times spent in WB  and I hope we never lose contact.
Mircea Negres Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:31am
Autumn, it's a never ending fight to balance free speech against the interest of the community affected by it and it's no wonder most judges get gray hair, go bald and get old in a hurry, while the ladies on the bench keep hair dye manufacturers rolling in dough. Like I told Stone-Eater in his now-deleted farewell post, go well and take my best wishes on the road with you, although I'd rather say to you "Don't go. Stay and 'Rise and rise again until lambs become lions'".
EXPAT Added Mar 6, 2017 - 3:30am
Mircea.
I really struggle to understand people who let an image on a flat screen influence their lives. As I wrote, they are only a Pile Of Pixels. No one here tells all the truth about their lives because "They can't handle the Truth."
 
We all play a role we imagine for ourselves. Stone not only deleted his farewell post, but he deleted his Blackwater Mercenary post which you and I had a good discussion going. That is what is wrong with deleting articles, the good and bad are lost together.
 
I think it goes to the point that THERE IS NO FREE SPEACH! Everything we say has an impact on someone. Stone had a bad day because someone else called him .....
People have been driven to suicide because they were filmed doing embarrassing things. The whole damn US government is in turmoil over lies and innuendo made public by a free speech press.
Russia hacked the election, Obama taped the phones. All bullshit provided by a free speech press.
 
How can any society function when the truth is obliterated by free speech lies. If you tell your lady she is looking fatter, you ain't getting laid that night.
 
You know that I tried to talk Stone out of posting his anti American fallacy's because it could deter customers for his business. He got kicked off LI, and berated on WB. The Price of Free Speech!
Doug Plumb Added Mar 6, 2017 - 4:41am
I'm sorry to hear this Autumn. I think you did a fine service to freedom in preserving free speech. I do not blame you for leaving, without renumeration this is a difficult job. We all know each others viewpoints and are perhaps better for it.
  I wonder where there are other forums that permit free speech. I guess I will have to find one. I don't post on Linked In because they do not permit facts about the holocaust to be on their site.
 
Billy Roper Added Mar 6, 2017 - 7:37am
I want to thank those of you who have e-mailed me privately, your true feelings are very encouraging to me, and appreciated.
George N Romey Added Mar 6, 2017 - 8:41am
I tend to ignore people that find a need to use the harshest of swear words or that make widespread allegations about large groups of people.  I have no time or desire to deal with ignorance.  Base on some of the comments in the threads relating to the goodbye of Autumn I don't see her coming back.  Whether this site will soon go dark remains an unanswered question.
Billy Roper Added Mar 6, 2017 - 10:55am
I hope she might clarify her intent for us soon.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:18am
Well, it seems that the Slade factor is no more...for now.  Traces of his articles and comments have disappeared.  I wonder if he will return as Michael B. or Meikl G. or another avatar.
Nancy Rexford Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:38am
Autumn it is not necessary for you and your brother to be on the same page not to have the same opinions and views.
 
I am sorry you feel the need to leave as you were the person who brought me to WB. I enjoy the give and take and the contributions of other people. It is not necessary for any of us to agree.
What WB allows us to do is bring differing  points of view for others to examine and gain insight from - even if we never agree with that view point.
Counter-arguments are also helpful in fully clarifying some issues.
There are many things today out in the world where there is no black/ white or right/wrong answer. The issues are not simple any more but complex.
 
I would hate to see the site disappear or have rules that would impinge on what is said in the articles. Please reconsider your decision in light of all of the comments we on WB have made.
Donna Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:15pm
I don't right much, but i comment and like articles all the time. I prefer to read , than  write, as most are great writers here, and i am not. I have learned a lot from this site, both good and bad. I like the fact that you can say as you choose. Some of your best-Stone, Jeanne, Tom, Bill H. George..all good writers with different ways of viewing things.
If this is the end of such a wonderful site, i am grateful that i was a part of this for the short time i was here. I have looked at Medium, do not like the set up. Maybe if cash to get Autumn some help is required we on here could pay a small fee. Not sure of the answer, just don't want all of her hard work to simply go down the drain..Nor all of the good articles i have read.
Besides how else do we keep in touch with people from around the world.. Peace to all  )0(
Mircea Negres Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:33pm
EXPAT, I hear you. If you remember, I also joined the chorus in warning Stone-Eater about that; after all, I wanted him to attract customers, not blow up his market base... Anyhow, I'm a big believer in free speech as long as it's constructive. There are limits to it, such as encouraging public violence or yelling "Fire!" in a crowded cinema, because malicious speech does nothing to promote good in society. Yeah, we were having a very good conversation about mercenaries and how the dark side of life becomes the only brightly shining thing in warriors' mutilated souls, a subject dear to my heart given my experiences and the people I've met. Look, if you want to get in touch with me, drop me a line at wayofwords327@gmail.com
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:37pm
Like Autumn I am dedicated to unabridged free speech. The name calling and invective is the cost of freedom people! The cost is reading/listening to things you may not like or want to.
 
No one has a right not to be offended!
 
I'm troubled to hear she and her brother had such a violent disagreement. Family is more important than anything else especially a website, even one we enjoy as much as WB so I applaud her valuing her relationship with her brother more than with a bunch of complainers like us!
 
All good things eventually pass. It was a great experiment while it lasted. 
Aaron P Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:40pm
Autumn, I'm sad to hear this.
 
As a liberal, I do enjoy the discussions here at Writer Beat from some of the conservative writers. It's forced me to re-evaluate my own beliefs and that's exactly how it should be.
 
But as for why the site hasn't grown past your personally recruiting efforts....I think it has to do with the garbage right-wing trolls who have no interest in a back-and-forth discussion.
 
I'm personally not proud to share WriterBeat to my politically minded friends. I would be proud to share it if there was INTELLIGENT debate in the comment section where both sides grow. But the childish name-calling and lack of mature dialogue is shameful.
 
I think there are a couple paths forward from here:
 
1) Censor people who aren't willing to discuss things like mature adults. You can give all writers the ability to "red-flag" someone. Then you can evaluate periodically who's got the most "Red-flags", read the comments themselves, and ban them temporarily if needed. Maybe you can pick one open-minded liberal, one open-minded conservative, and one centrist as part of a committee to handle this. Maybe we can even have "elections" once a year to decide who's on this committee. Just throwing ideas out there.
 
2) Shut WriterBeat down before it turns into another Breitbart. Sometimes you die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. WriterBeat has potential to get big but at what cost? Would you want your website connected with people like Milo?
 
Either way, thank you for bringing me to this site I did enjoy it. I wish you the best moving forward.
MJ Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:19pm
Autumn, I agree with Aaron, your safety is more important than a website!  Thank you, I will have to return to crossword puzzles but al least you will be safe. 
I don`t expect anything from the Trump admin, but there are a lot of radicals out there and they don`t like free speech!  We sure dig deep on WB!  Thank you for everything!
MJ Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:42pm
...... To the rest of you, I changed my mind about WB when I researched the "Breitbart episode."
We don`t take much of a risk being here, but Autumn does!
Janie Smith Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:48pm
This is sad.  I wish there was a way for the participants to help with recruitment other than word of mouth.  
 
Well done, Autumn, it was a good project.  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:51pm
I'd been wondering what Janie thought of all this earlier today. 
George N Romey Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:47pm
Autumn has not been back to comment so I assume her decision is final.  Is her brother going to keep the site going?  If so, I'd like to see his vision of the site.  
EXPAT Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:49pm
It looks like Elvis has left the building!
Autumn just threw her hands in the air and walked away!
And the people who destroyed this site are the one's who want to save it the most. Because they are unacceptable anywhere true discourse and civility are demanded.
There is a lot of talk about free speech here, and it is a crock of shit! Words have consequences, and a site like this allows morons and delusional thugs to spew Diarrhea from their mouths.
Civility; manners, polite conversation, intelligent discourse have always been the definition of high class and education. Obscenity , rancor, and profanity has always been associated with low class social trash.
Throughout history, if you insulted a Gentleman, it meant your life on the dueling field. When dueling was banned, it came down to a taste of your own blood from a fist!
But now, thanks to the Internet, these cowards are allowed to act like Troglodytes and claim it as freedom of speech.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:49pm
Yeah when do we get to see the Wizard of Oz?  This "brother" is mythical.  I keep hearing about him, lurking somewhere in the shadows, tugging at the principles of Autumn.  Who is this masked man?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 3:11pm
Wouldn't it be cool if Autumn finally got sick of everyone complaining to her that "he said, she said" and decided to end it by "leaving" yet remaining very much at the helm. 
wsucram15 Added Mar 6, 2017 - 3:27pm
No Expat..its me. Im sorry you feel that way.  This is why this is happening to this page, exactly.   I feel no anger towards you, just concern as a fellow writer. But this isnt about just one /person its about everyone and you are not above that.  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 3:28pm
This may be a product of what Corey insists is my Parkinson's addled brain but one must ask how are article rankings shifting without Autumn at the helm? Did I incorrectly "understand" the brother was too busy with coding to be able to "arbitrate"? Hmmm.
Shane Dean Added Mar 6, 2017 - 3:50pm
I think the ranking is by an algorithm based on comments and newness and other unknown factors
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 4:01pm
I think the ranking is by an algorithm based on comments and newness and other unknown factors
 
Wrong again! Autumn specifically twice that I can remember that there is no algorithm for ranking on WB. 
Dawn Foss Added Mar 6, 2017 - 8:37pm
Autumn, I can understand how exhausting that would be!  I wish there was a way you could automate the emails.  And perhaps have an advertisement on Facebook or Linked In, rather than having to hand pick, unless you like that.  
 
And I like Ryan's idea of having some "rules for the club", so to speak, so that up front people know profanity and explicit sexual talk is not allowed.  This is reasonable and to be expected on a respectable site. People are allowed to disagree, but show respect, or are excluded until they contact you with an apology and verbalize desire to go back on, and then it's up to you.  Adults should be expected to act as adults.  That's not censorship, it's holding a value that keeps everyone safe from emotional harm.  
 
I hope you reconsider, and find a way to automate some of the tasks that you have had to do manually.  I keep coming back, not because of emails you sent, but because I miss the crew!  Yes, even some of those who disagree with me.  I like the challenge of open debate; this country needs more intelligent debate and open conversation like you have allowed here.  But "open" doesn't and shouldn't mean profane.
 
Steve Borsher Added Mar 6, 2017 - 9:00pm
Which profanity list should we use to decide. I think Carlin's 7 words are about out of date. And who decides what is sexually explicit, and what is innuendo; which, itself, maybe sexually explicit. Once you start with censorship Pandora looms her ugly head. And "everyone safe from emotional harm"? Hello psychological manipulation. Things are exactly as they should be here: no one is guessing, everything is out front. This is what we long for from Washington DC; why would you want their manipulative bullshit here? Trump may be wrong about many things, but he was NOT wrong about how political correctness has destroyed this country. If you think censorship is a good thing, you might just be a liberal.
Dawn Foss Added Mar 6, 2017 - 9:22pm
I'm about as conservative as they come.  I'm not talking about censorship, but rather code of conduct.
Dawn Foss Added Mar 6, 2017 - 9:22pm
And maybe saying "emotional harm" is sounding a bit like a snowflake, which I reject.  But I have seen verbal abuse on this site, and that should not be tolerated.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 7, 2017 - 12:22am
Dawn - I agree - Freedom of Speech does not mean you can cry out fire in a theater or "A bomb" at an airport.  People have thought they can say what ever they like, to whom ever they like whenever they like and have found themselves in jail.  You are not free to insult people, threaten people or falsely accuse them.  You might get away with it online, but try it in the public. You might be jailed, sued or someone might just beat the shit out of you.  Cry about your freedom then.  The intent of freedom of speech is to prevent restrictions on dialogue about certain topics.  I am not a literalist and don't believe in literalism but believe in the intent of the law.  People who take things literal, will only take those things literal that suits them and ignore everything else. Common sense should always be the rule of law.  
Autumn Cote Added Mar 7, 2017 - 12:36am
Many thanks for the words of encouragement and support. It’s unbelievable how addicted to the endeavor I was, quitting Writer Beat has been like finding my life again. 
 
I’m not sure what to tell you all in terms of the future of the site.  My brother wanted to shut it down a month ago, so maybe that’s what happens.  It feels wrong to let it flounder when others have mentioned wanting to administer the site.  No offense but I don’t think anyone can appreciate just how hard I worked at keeping the site interesting by finding new authors and making sure authors who were deserving of comment activity, got them.  There is also the matter of cost, someone else’s money is going to need fix the site when it breaks.  Let alone the other bills related to running the site. 
wsucram15 Added Mar 7, 2017 - 12:49am
Autumn..I didnt understand until I looked into doing a site of my own last year.  I commend what you did and even though I didnt always agree, thank you for All your effort.  Also it was a privilege to write and learn from you and others on here as long as I did. 
JEK
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 7, 2017 - 1:03am
I’m not sure what to tell you all in terms of the future of the site. 
 
Shut it down Autumn.
 
Without you it'll become another Huffington Post if one reflects upon the number of comments seeking to limit content and writers before and since your announcement.  

Go out and enjoy your rediscovered life after WriterBeat. 
 
All the very very best to you Autumn. Thanks for what you have created It's meant a lot to me. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 7, 2017 - 1:35am
Autumn,
 
Like I said and I mean it, WriterBeat is just not WriterBeat without you.  I certainly don't want to administrate, and I think everyone would vote unanimously that you stay.  I/we just want to help keep it going.  You are that important.  You are WriterBeat. 
 
If you're done you're done.  But you don't have to be, and you have help if you need it.  I certainly value all of the efforts you have made, and I can only imagine the extent.
 
If in fact this is the end of the line, farewell and most sincerely, thank you.
Dawn Foss Added Mar 7, 2017 - 8:09am
Yes, thank you, Autumn.  I am certain I have no idea how much time and money you have invested; I only have a glimpse.  You need to have your life and your priorities in order; I respect that.  I too well know how addicting our passions can be for projects we believe in.  If you hear of any other sites like this, please let us know.  
 
My burden for America is getting intellectual debate going, but one that shows mutual respect in how we conduct ourselves.  The media is largely liberal, and some very conservative sites may be too afraid to host some controversial topics for fear of abuse or criminal activity against them by the far left. There is so much hostility and anger in this world, and I believe FEAR is at the core of it.  I can't blame some who would be afraid, tho, because violence is becoming a norm.  Look at that college in VT that I heard about last night who put a professor in the hospital for presenting an author whom those students didn't agree with.  Rioting is becoming the norm in higher education; they think they are protesting, but they are rioting.  Until our country begins to punish wrong doers, this will only grow.  If they could get onto a site and talk with the other side, they may be able to understand more, learn, grow and mature, rather than becoming hateful and dangerous individuals.
 
Thank you for appreciating free speech, Autumn, and whatever you decide, it is up to you, but know that I thank you and appreciate all that you put into this site, and I hope and pray that there will be a forum somewhere for us to join that allows such interaction as this one does.  Maybe better advertising would yield greater results.  But as you said, everything costs money. :(
Steve Borsher Added Mar 7, 2017 - 9:38am
I learned how to write on WriterBeat; sort of.
Bill Kamps Added Mar 7, 2017 - 10:10am
The comments in all the articles are interesting.  It seems that most people are in favor of some rules of conduct, but of course the group cannot agree on what those rules should be.  This of course is the whole point.  What seems like reasonable rules to one person, is a infringement on freedom of speech to another person.  The fact is so much depends on context, how words or phrases are used, this is what makes it difficult to regulate language. 
 
I come down on the side of letting people write what they want.  Sometimes it is rude and entertaining, sometimes it is rude and awful and I just choose to ignore it.  Sometimes what I at first think is awful, turns out to be interesting.   As a reader we are in control of what we read and how we react, the writer is not.  No one compels us to read, just  like no  one compels us to watch a movie, listen to a song, or watch TV.  We have the freedom to turn it off.
John Minehan Added Mar 7, 2017 - 1:20pm
" I do none harm. I say none harm. I think none harm. And if this be not enough to keep a man alive, then in good faith I long not to live." Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons
Shane Dean Added Mar 7, 2017 - 2:06pm
Well, Autumn, if it needs to be a part of cyber-history, so be it.  Many thanks for the effort you put in to run this madhouse for as long as you did.
wsucram15 Added Mar 7, 2017 - 3:02pm
Some of us have gone over to Niume.  It is much larger, but similar.  There is moderation and the site is located in the UK. But there is a ton of material on there in a variety of topics.
I will miss this page and Autumn, but I understand it. Autumn if you ever come back you know how to reach us all. Enjoy!
Donna Added Mar 7, 2017 - 3:25pm
Autumn,
I had never even imagined a site like yours until you pulled me for LI. Ever so grateful..I have met some great writers..had some great conversations..learned a lot...and been shocked a few times..I am sorry to see you leave us..As this is your site, without you, WB will never be the same..
You pulled me once so you have my email,if you come back, please let me know..Peace in all you choose to do..
Jeanne, Niume, is that like here? Do you need to be invited? I am not a fan of Medium..
Eileen de Bruin Added Mar 7, 2017 - 4:27pm
Blimey!  This is a shame, really it is. Thank you Autumn Cote. May you always be appreciated because you have earned that, as well as a lot of respect.
EXPAT Added Mar 7, 2017 - 7:14pm
Donna. Niume is just like here except with rules of Civility and honesty.
Jeanne is doing her best to screw it up, inviting the Trolls from here to there. But they won't last.
Peter Corey Added Mar 7, 2017 - 10:13pm
>I don't post on Linked In because they do not permit facts about the holocaust to be on their site.
 
That's only because you're a dishonest purveyor of "alternative facts" (i.e., denials) rather than "actual facts". There's no reason people intent on networking and growing their businesses on LinkedIn should be subjected to your nonsense.
 
> I wonder where there are other forums that permit free speech. I guess I will have to find one.
 
You're already on YouTube, ding-a-ling. Did you forget? You're a colossal piece-of-work, Plumb, as well as a gigantic waste of time.
Peter Corey Added Mar 7, 2017 - 10:58pm
You can all follow Ms. Cote on "Medium". See link here:
 
https://medium.com/@autumncote
 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 8, 2017 - 4:04am
Autumn
 
I pay 60 US$ a year for web space and domain renewal. The rest I do in my spare time which is maybe 4 hours of work a month (commenting, deleting unwanted spam, updating Wordpress). OK I don't have an active blog but a blog as part of the site.
 
And I don't look for users since having my own real blog to administer - no time for that as long as I work and am not retired yet.
 
So there should be a possibility to set up an account where we all could participate to get a couple of hundred bucks together for a new admin ?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 8, 2017 - 4:13am
Go fund me or Patreon?
 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 8, 2017 - 4:17am
Gofundme didn't work for me, since I didn't have a sick dog to be cured only a poor Cameroonian family to help,,,,
 
Patreon ? Never heard, but as I said - I'll stop being so active on the net. Once I'm down there's better things to do than Internet. And that starts in 3 weeks LOL
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 8, 2017 - 7:10am
Well...found George and Ric on Niume Shane as well. Will see who else is on there :)
 
 
Dawn Foss Added Mar 8, 2017 - 8:00am
I just joined Niume, but haven't written anything yet.  I've had some articles on my mind for a while, but just haven't had the chance to write them.  Hopefully I'll catch up soon with the other things that are pressing right now.  But I look forward to continuing to write in a similar venue.  The site looked pretty nice!  Seemed to be a similar format.
Janie Smith Added Mar 8, 2017 - 10:43am
Thanks so much for your efforts and the opportunity, Autumn.  
Autumn Cote Added Mar 8, 2017 - 10:48am
I’ve decided I can’t say goodbye to Writer beat.  I’m going to try and take it easier and spend more time with my family but my addiction to the site is too strong to quit cold turkey.  I strongly believe Writer Beat fills a gaping hole in the internet.   This hole is for those who wish to communicate without Big Brother deciding what’s acceptable or not.  In addition, people need a platform where they can safely share opinions on controversial matters.  By safely, I mean without it adversely affecting one’s social or professional network. 
 
So I remain committed to the endeavor and apologize for taking a break.  I do not wish to discuss this any further.  Please go back to commenting on the work of others and I’ll go back to scouring the internet for more content/potential participants and promoting articles by authors that comment on the work of others. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 8, 2017 - 10:52am
Autumn,
 
Thank you!  Agreed.  Geez I went and poured my heart out to everyone...how embarrassing.  ;).  JK.
Steve Borsher Added Mar 8, 2017 - 10:58am
She likes us; she really likes us.
wsucram15 Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:28am
awwwww...now I went and joined another site. Im glad I didnt post anything fresh. 
Thanks Autumn.. Somehow I knew you would do this. Its hard to let go of your baby.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:30am
No, no, it's okay Jeanne, you can still go over to the other site.  I mean, don't feel obliged to stick around here if you're bags are already packed.  ;)
Janie Smith Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:37am
ok...well now what do we all talk about??? lol. jk, this is great news!
wsucram15 Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:49am
Tom,  I was here shortly after the site opened and will be here until it dies...as will so many others.   It is a shared community and if I have to put up with you..you have to put up with me.  I write on other pages because I get paid for being published.
I stay here for some of the people you havent managed to chase away yet and out of loyalty  to Autumn and her rationales that she has talked about in advising me more than once.
 
But I came on here for Expat..yeah your right..lol.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 8, 2017 - 12:05pm
Autumn's decision to remain is good news for so many the relief is almost palpable. 
 
Good on ya Autumn. 
Janie Smith Added Mar 8, 2017 - 12:06pm
Is that you Jeanne...the real Jeanne?? My friend Jeanne???
 
Shane Dean Added Mar 8, 2017 - 12:59pm
Autumn, thank you for hanging in there.  I would like to offer assistance should you need it.  And if you do not reach out for said help, I will take no offense.
 
Be blessed on this International Women's Day
Douglas Proudfoot Added Mar 8, 2017 - 2:39pm
Autumn, you should be as shy about asking for help as you are about asking people to write here, as in not shy at all.  If you had a volunteer board for little tasks you needed done, or a pledge page to raise funds based on showing your costs, it would help.  I haven't been on this site long, but I like the diversity of opinion and the lack of mindless parrots I found on some other sites.  My stuff has gotten more views here than anywhere else, so I have an interest in helping the site become self sustaining.  Please let me know what I can do.  Thanks.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 8, 2017 - 2:58pm
Welcome back Autumn - we all kinda figured you wasn't going anywhere.  You are right.  Google and facebook ask you to use your real name.  Google isn't enforcing that.  Facebook even begs you to say where you work and were you live.  Then you have to be real careful what you say, somebody might kill you, you might loose your job, or the fbi will be knocking at your door.  Tumblr lets you be anonymous, but anyone with any brains can find your ip address.  So yes, you are the only platform where a person can say anything, safely.  But I still think we should have the option to block others on this site.  Maybe that tool isn't available and I'm asking for something that can't be done.  Glad you decided to stay.
 
Peace and Love, Blessed Be 
Autumn Cote Added Mar 8, 2017 - 3:02pm
The best way anyone can assist me is by commenting on the work of others.  Specifically, the two articles below are in need of comment activity:
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/15719-Consent-of-the-Governed
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/15743-Everything-Ann-Coulter-Believes-About-Immigrant-Crime-Is-Bullshit-
George N Romey Added Mar 8, 2017 - 3:05pm
Welcome back Autumn.  I'm on Niume but would love to continue to write for WB as well.
Autumn Cote Added Mar 8, 2017 - 3:06pm
Minister,
I agree, the site should have a blocking feature.
wsucram15 Added Mar 8, 2017 - 3:36pm
Yes Janie..its Jeanne, not my daughter but me.  I will get around to changing the name back when I am not in constant protest and glass mode.
I was gonna say something the other day..but then Autumn talked about the site so I kind of got sidetracked. 
EXPAT Added Mar 8, 2017 - 3:52pm
Autumn. Isn't a blocking feature contrary to your wanting comments on the work of others? The author already has the Delete option.
I fear Blocking would end up having an author filter out any opposing ideas, which is the whole purpose of this site. You don't need a home for sycophants. That is what Huffy Post is for!
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 8, 2017 - 3:54pm
Glad to hear you are back Autumn and that things will continue here. I hope all is well with you :-) 
wsucram15 Added Mar 8, 2017 - 3:56pm
I agree with Expat after some thought, the delete button is sufficient. Unless you want filters on the site.  I dont even want that...I like the site how it is.   It pains me, but with the few of us that dont get along, we just leave each other alone and dont comment the other.
Autumn Cote Added Mar 8, 2017 - 4:31pm
On a blocking feature,
I’m inclined to go with the majority on this one. 
Janie Smith Added Mar 8, 2017 - 4:32pm
Oh, thats great!  I am so glad your back!!
Autumn Cote Added Mar 8, 2017 - 4:42pm
On helping me with Writer Beat, there is one major thing anyone can do and that’s find new participants.  It can be kind of exhilarating when you land someone, especially if he or she turns out to be a good participant.
 
First, look for articles by people who look genuinely interested conversing about their work.  I then write the following in their comment thread:
 
Would it be OK if I cross-posted this article to WriterBeat.com?  I'll be sure to give you complete credit as the author.  There is no fee, I'm simply trying to add more content diversity for our community and I liked what you wrote.
 
If they say “sure,” simply forward me a link to the article and I’ll handle the rest. I’ll post the article and write the following:
 
Great! The following is the link to your article: 
 
Article Link
 
If you wish to engage your commenters, please send me an email so I can establish author account credentials. Many thanks for your contribution.
 
Autumn
AutumnCote@WriterBeat.com
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 8, 2017 - 4:55pm
I invited Louis Weeks who has since posted 2 articles. If/when I find someone else interested and interesting I will be happy to let them know about Writer’s Beat as well. 
wsucram15 Added Mar 8, 2017 - 5:11pm
Your telling me that Expat and I are the only 2 people that dont want to block others? Seriously? Wow...very divisive. That one took me by surprise.
Billy Roper Added Mar 8, 2017 - 5:26pm
I also am not interested in blocking anyone. I'm sure others will block me, but that's okay. If the blocking feature is added, I will not use it, just as I have never deleted anyone's post.
EXPAT Added Mar 8, 2017 - 5:38pm
A blocking feature will only encourage the blocked participant to print an ARTICLE extolling whatever vitriol the blocker wanted to prevent.
There is too much of that already!
EXPAT Added Mar 8, 2017 - 6:04pm
Autumn. Is your brother named RAY?
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 8, 2017 - 6:12pm
Hmm, based on what Espat just pointed out I changed my mind and now am also opposed to blocking. It's different here than say Twitter or a standard online comments forum. 
Steve Borsher Added Mar 8, 2017 - 6:29pm
If you wanted to block someone it should be done on a community basis: some number of people vote to block someone, and when the count reaches that number the person is blocked. Individuals can also remove their block vote at any time, allowing block modulation. The block count would continue beyond the threshold, so someone extremely vile would be blocked until a lot of people changed their minds.
Steve Borsher Added Mar 8, 2017 - 6:32pm
And people could see their counts and change their behavior before they got blocked, but I would suggest not show who vote to block, lest discussions degenerate into blocking accusations.
Opes Added Mar 8, 2017 - 7:31pm
WB is staying alive!  The blocking/censoring idea is hard to deal with.  
For instance, on some LinkedIn discussion groups there is (or was) a delete the thread option where the whole article disappeared when someone didn't like it.  It became a war of deleted articles on one of the largest philosophy groups at LI.  Not just the comments of one person, but the whole article/thread.  That of course corrected itself eventually, but some just renamed themselves in order to re-post.  That particular group had amassed millions of members.
Michael B. Added Mar 8, 2017 - 8:14pm
I'm all for a blocking feature. I've seen this before, where you can delete someone's comments, and they will just keep re-posting them, over and over. A determined troll will always find a way to be a troll, but at least it isn't being made easy or convenient for them. If they want to write a troll-like article, then let them; at least you don't have to read it.
Ryan Messano Added Mar 8, 2017 - 8:31pm
Glad you are back, Autumn, I still favor censoring little boys behavior, like some dirty old men on here are fond of.
 
And for those whom the shoe fits, here you are.  
 



THE ATROCIOUS 1 crime of being a young man, which the honorable gentleman has, with such spirit and decency, charged upon me, I shall neither attempt to palliate nor deny; but content myself with wishing that I may be one of those whose follies may cease with their youth, and not of that number who are ignorant in spite of experience. Whether youth can be imputed to any man as a reproach, I will not, sir, assume the province of determining; but surely age may become justly contemptible, if the opportunities which it brings have passed away without improvement and vice appears to prevail when the passions have subsided.
  1


  The wretch, who, after having seen the consequences of a thousand errors, continues still to blunder, and whose age has only added obstinacy to stupidity, is surely the object of either abhorrence or contempt, and deserves not that his gray hairs should secure him from insult.
  2


  Much more, sir, is he to be abhorred, who, as he has advanced in age has receded from virtue and become more wicked with less temptation


Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 8, 2017 - 10:00pm
I too am not in favor of blocking Autumn. 
EXPAT Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:10pm
If the religious block the hedonists, and the Liberals block the conservatives, and the white supremacists block the blacks, and the Jews block the Nazis, and the women block the misogynist,  and the Hillary supporters block the Trump supporters, and so on and so fourth and dooby dooby do.
This site will be blank!
EXPAT Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:12pm
Do you want a Ryan heaven? Delete me now!
EXPAT Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:26pm
Autumn. If you decide to institute a blocking option. Please delete my registration and all my comments and articles! The demise of this site will be ensured by blocking!
EXPAT Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:41pm
I refuse to exist under the judgment of Ryan Messano and his sycophants.
Dave Volek Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:45pm
Expat: I don't think blocking contrary viewpoints is the goal here. If WB is to go this way, the people who should be blocked are those who get too carried away with name calling and mud slinging. 
 
Take Tom and Billy for example. I can't think of any two people who are polar opposites of me. I think their position sucks and their logic sucks and the links they try to bring us to sucks and their life mission sucks. And for a white guy having married an African lady, they probably think I suck too.
 
But they have always treated me with respect whenever I have engaged with them on WB. For that, I can't see much sense blocking them. 
Autumn Cote Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:54pm
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 9, 2017 - 12:01am
Opes - The block option would not be a delete option, nothing will be deleted, no member will be kicked off wb.  All it will do is allow you to not see another member and that member not see you.  However they and their articles are still on the interwebs, nothing is deleted. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 1:57am
MPP, One notices you use the word allow and its synonyms quite often. What happened to you that you always look for permission in everything? That you NEED, in the same way you need air and water, an authority? Its very sad.
 
Make believe daddy in the sky, make believe daddy president, make believe daddy cops, make believe daddy boss. Make believe daddy Autumn. I'll bet you need to get permission from you wife too. 
 
Its just sad is all. Its your life do what you want but kindly not force the rest of us to abdicate responsibility for ourselves to your daddy figures whaddaya say sport?
Michael B. Added Mar 9, 2017 - 2:16am
Block, block, block! I guess it shouldn't be very surprising that, with few exceptions, the most egregious and prolific trolls are the ones most opposed to some kind of system to block them. As I said before, they can troll away, but it's in everyone's interest to make it less easy and convenient for them to do so. At a minimum, it will force them to write posts for all to see, rather than being a subterranean and parasitic presence that contribute absolutely nothing but vitriol. Spend some time writing your own posts, rather than being a troll on others...assholes!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 2:25am
Opinions being like noses everyone has one and they're generally full of holes. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 9, 2017 - 2:27am
Jeffry - So you say.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 9, 2017 - 2:33am
Michael B - Perfectly said.  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 3:22am
Block, block, block! I guess it shouldn't be very surprising that, with few exceptions, the most egregious and prolific trolls are the ones most opposed to some kind of system to block them
 
I found the way you attacked Stone without merit or reasonableness. 
 
You'll recall I made no comment against you or your methods despite being angry about it. They are your opinions and you are entitled to them. Not my place to say yes or no. 
 
I do not favor anyone having the ability to block you from doing so in the future Michael. 
 
I find Ryan utterly contemptible yet I don't want to see him blocked. 
 
I find many on WB to be utterly full of shit yet I don't want them blocked. 
 
WB isn't 7th grade Michael, by that I mean its not some popularity contest. 
 
For many WB is what Autumn describes: "I strongly believe Writer Beat fills a gaping hole in the internet.   This hole is for those who wish to communicate without Big Brother deciding what’s acceptable or not.  In addition, people need a platform where they can safely share opinions on controversial matters.  By safely, I mean without it adversely affecting one’s social or professional network. So I remain committed to the endeavor."
 
I choose to honor her vision. Perhaps you will too?
EXPAT Added Mar 9, 2017 - 3:37am
Dave. Autumn has always had the option to delete offensive posts. Read the policy of this site. Ryan is on a campaign to purify this site in his own image.
He deleted a comment I made because I referred to a Crock of Shit. Do you want him and other religious extremists deciding what and who gets published?
EXPAT Added Mar 9, 2017 - 3:43am
MPP. You can't run, you can't hide from unpleasantness. Because you find a post by an author offensive, a personal evaluation; doesn't mean his next comment will be offensive.
There are many authors here I agree and disagree with. I can be offensive in the heat of the moment, and then agree on the next post.
Man Up!
EXPAT Added Mar 9, 2017 - 3:45am
Michael B. You would be the first one blocked.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 9, 2017 - 4:09am
Autumn
 
Just thanks. And I don't comment about the rules yes no maybe. I guess when we all try to somewhat behave we don't need rules.
 
We should be able to transport the rules we set for ourselves in real life onto virtual environment ;)
 
 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 9, 2017 - 4:14am
BTW Dave Volek expresses exactly my view. I prefer people with opposite, even extremist views who can DISCUSS items rationally to people who get personal and just rant for the sake of it.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 9, 2017 - 4:35am
Expat - I'm a girly boy, you man up, I'll just be me, thank you please - but thanks for the advise.   That reminds me when they told that if I don't join the boyscouts I won't be a man.  I'm like, ok, I just won't be a man than. That man stuff sucks.  I don't know why anyone of male gender falls for that crap.  You've been brainwashed Expat.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 9, 2017 - 5:02am
Shep
 
I'm impressed by the solidarity of WB users, however.
 
At least we could agree on ONE thing - that WB must go on :-)
EXPAT Added Mar 9, 2017 - 5:07am
I am shocked that you don't understand what a man is.
A man takes responsibility for his own life, as opposed to a boy who depends on others for  guidance.
My comment had nothing to do with gender.
When I say man up, I mean take responsibility for your own life and stop trying to block reality.
Man Up
Be strong
Take control, take control of a (the) situation, be strong, rise to the moment
 
by Fields June 12, 2002
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Man%20Up
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 5:09am
At least we could agree on ONE thing - that WB must go on :-)
 
yep
EXPAT Added Mar 9, 2017 - 5:21am
MPP
man up
To work through impediments and obstacles without whining
In the National Basketball Association Championship finals, coach Avery Johnson of the Dallas Mavericks complained that their rivals, the Miami Heat, were playng "playground basketball" because of the Heat's physical play.

Heat player James Posey responded:"If Johnson wants to call it playground basketball, so be it.Well, sometimes in playground ball you go out there and man up and say 'I can play through a turnover and play through a foul.'You just continue to play. That's playground ball and you just have to man up about the situation."


#accepting #resolute #determined #persevering #undiscouraged #steadfast
by Donald Marks June 18, 2006
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 9, 2017 - 6:03am
Expat - Everybody is different, you said "man up"  Just couldn't help it.
 
I don't like sports, I don't like boyscouts.  I was never a crybaby, but I was never a manly man, I always thought it was stupid and my brother in law was surprised that I survived the Navy.  In the Navy I became the Master Helmsman which surprised me.  I was the best Master Helmsman there was.  You wouldn't understand that unless you were there.  It did teach me something.  Everybody is good at something, even me, even though we are different.  What ever you are good at, be good at that and ignore all criticism because it will just take you down and prevent you from being the best that you can be.   So, Fuck the manly stuff, I'll just block them, if I could.  I don't deserve to be insulted and I won't be. 
Opes Added Mar 9, 2017 - 8:56am
To block or Not to block is a gridlocked debate with no common ground available.
 
It does make it clear who is in charge. I respect the natural structural order of systems and groups - chain of command.
Steve Borsher Added Mar 9, 2017 - 9:52am
Autumn,
 
Great article: really attracted a lot of attention. If everyone who commented "liked" it, it might actually beat Wendell.
Michael B. Added Mar 9, 2017 - 10:06am
Exlax, you wouldn't have to block me - I don't read your stupid, moronic, geriatric drivel in the first place, much less comment on it. Please do the same for me.
Donna Added Mar 9, 2017 - 2:33pm
Autumn, Thank you so much for coming back..to go to another site feels like well it feels horrible..I went to Nuime..Yuk..Just not for me..I like it here..
Now about blocking...WHY??? We have the ability to delete if required...besides, if one feels a need to be a total ass, then let them show their true colors, then we will know whom to avoid, or whom to take on..it is up to us..I will look for writers for you...Not like me, but serious writers..I do know a few..Again, thank you for coming back!
George N Romey Added Mar 9, 2017 - 3:15pm
Welcome back Autumn.  I've never deleted a comment. I've let them stand for what they are.  I've never felt "threatened" here. If someone said they would kick my ass I'd get a big laugh out of it.  Its amazing how little people can try to act like big people when they hide behind cute little screen names and avatars.
 
WB isn't pretty and its not about cute little puppies and kiddies, or another article about how to get hired (which advise is totally useless). Its about real life and real consequences.  Most people can't hack it here because this is not a site that offers big group hugs.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Mar 9, 2017 - 4:48pm
Am on Niume now, but......
 
in fact, for the Moment not up to writing. Will soon, though...;-)
Jon Nakapalau Added Mar 9, 2017 - 9:30pm
Thank you for fighting the good fight...all my best.
Dawn Foss Added Mar 10, 2017 - 1:24am
Stone, you said, "I guess when we all try to somewhat behave we don't need rules."  BINGO!  You hit the nail on the head.  Personal responsibility makes life more fun.  I teach music to 6th-8th grade boys and girls, and I came in so gung ho that we would have fun, this would be their favorite class (we all know that was naive of me, as some kids just don't care for music), but over the past three years I went from this bubbly, happy, smiling, fun teacher to a strict teacher who once in a while throws in something to make them laugh, but they walked ALL OVER ME so I had to get strict.  I can't stand to have to discipline, but unfortunately, human nature is what it is, and what you don't enforce gets mocked and disregarded, and the rudeness and disrespect is horrible.  And this is a Christian school!  My point is that when people judge themselves, then they don't have to be judged by others.  When we act responsibly, then the higher ups don't have to make a tons of rules and monitor everything so closely because there is a level of trust and mutual respect.  Let's not act like middle schoolers, but responsible adults, and poor Autumn won't have to deal with so many issues.
 
Shane Laing Added Mar 10, 2017 - 3:41am
Dawn you have my respect and admiration.  You do what I never could teaching children. I was an awful pupil but discipline was beaten into me, the occasional steel ruler over the knuckles soon brought me into line. We didn't have names, we were called boy until we got our names back when reaching what you would term 11th grade.
Eileen de Bruin Added Mar 10, 2017 - 7:41am
Dawn Foss, well said! This applies to many aspects of life, of course but it is true that kindness and fun behaviour is taken as a licence to abuse the respect. In short, mutual respect comes only after experience and a certain moral acknowledgement.
 
I am not sure that, having grown up, one adopts this mutual respect as a norm. Politics and media shows us that this is not the case, especially in our current and troubled times.
I am baffled as to why some people on writer beat use very offensive language against other writers. It has happened to me a few times and it is a shocking recognition that those people who post such insults, are using the relative anonymity of the internet. 
People who resort to insult are usually of inadequate psychological status i. terms of how thry view themselves. To insult someone for no reason than you might disagree  or you might be skeptical about their motives for writing, shows a highly fragile self confidence and such inadequate maturity, that they resort to insult and bad language.
 
To police such a site, in this respect, can take so much time, that it is taking healthy creative effort and time away from the whole object of the exercise. No wonder someone might give up.
 
Much like Dawn, who gave up trying to be nice and friendly as a basic norm, but adopted the stricter attitude so that the rude minority would not ruin it all for the whole group.
 
Steve Borsher Added Mar 10, 2017 - 11:10am
We have deliberately chosen to not train my new pup, so he can be "all that he can be". I raised my children the same way, and I treat my grandson's the same way. My parents and teachers were unable to discipline me. I now operate entirely on a reward basis: the pup and the grandsons get well rewarded for "doing the right thing"; at least when they are with me, and in school. Of course, my knowledge of human, and dog, psychology continues to grow with experience: I am a much better grandfather than I was a father; but that is probably not unusual. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 10, 2017 - 11:16am
"We have deliberately chosen to not train my new pup."
 
Well, get used to the smell of urine in your house.  ;).  I think I know what you mean - positive reinforcement only.  I don't believe in smacking the dog for wrong doing but correction is necessary.  Order and discipline are still necessary in this world. 
 
P.S. what kind of pup?  I adore dogs and puppies.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 10, 2017 - 11:44am
The only time my crewmen ever got themselves called on the carpet is when they forced me to issue an order. I really hated that. Because it meant I had failed to adequately train him. 
Steve Borsher Added Mar 10, 2017 - 12:04pm
Poochie is 6 months old, and has been with us for 4 of them. He is 99% housebroken, just by our reading his moods and diligently taking him outside. He learned to climb and descend stairs on his own, and started fetching on his own. The only thing we ever trained him to do was to respond to the word sit; we did take him to a few training classes, but he was mostly bored. We give him few treats, although we have given him many getting him to use his doggie door which he is very close to using himself after a month. He shuns any kind of "cookie", with his favorite non-meat treat being a baby carrot. He is now fully socialized, merely by taking him to a dog park and play dates, and he acts as an "ambassador" among other dogs, calming them down and helping them play together. He has no playpen because we have a large fenced in backyard where he can noodle around. We feed him a number of different things now, including some of what we eat, although never off the table. Yes, he is a bit spoiled, and a little too possessive of us, but we are retired and he is our baby.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 10, 2017 - 12:15pm
Wow and I thought I spoiled my dogs... Sounds like you have a great thing going and some winning methods!  I suppose it depends on the breed and the character of the individual dog, as well as the time available to the owner.  Some dogs do require assertive obedience training. 
 
That's funny about the carrot.  While my Boston Terrier will exhaust himself gnawing on rawhide, my St. Bernard - she prefers a quiet spot with her carrot.  She also loves to smell flowers and watch butterflies lol.  She's such a girl!  In our case though, it's the Boston who required far more obedience training because he chases critters and has killed a few - mostly birds.
 
Let me guess your breed of pup:  Golden Retriever?  Labradoodle?  Beagle?  Am I close or is Poochie a mutt? 
Steve Borsher Added Mar 10, 2017 - 3:11pm
Cockapoo. Golden Doodle was in the running early on but, at out age, my wife didn't want one that big. Poochie will top off at about 14 lbs; is 11 now, and just got his adult teeth. Poochie showed strong vegetarian tendencies early on, but still goes wild for most meats and fish; so we mix vegan kibble and real meat together, although now we are going to try canned food, with gravy, mixed with kibble. His tastes have definitely changed except for veggies. He'll eat any of those, including sage leaves from my herb garden, but he has mostly lost his taste for peanut butter, ice cubes, and fruit.
 
We live among several beaches, and he loves to run on the beach. Hasn't gotten a taste for the water yet, though.
 
One other thing: my wife started letting him into our bed for like the last hour in the morning; the rest of his time spent in his crate. Over the course of a few days he manipulated her, by pretending to need to go out, about an hour earlier each time, into letting him sleep in our bed the entire night. That's been going on about a month, but recently he started asking to go back down on the floor, and then sleeping in no special place; although a drty clothes pile was popular. So, we just got him a ramp so he can come and go off the bed as he pleases. He took to that very quickly, and it helped bolster his courage, a bit, to go through his doggie door. However, the weather has only been cooperating a few days at a time, so we are not rushing that anyway. He spends very litle time in a crate now, mostly only when we go out and can't take him. We have finally given him the entire run of the house; we have an upstairs deck, and when he has to go while on the 2nd floor he just goes out there on an artifical turf mat.
 
I think a lot of dog's limitations come from the oweners. Cesar Millan teaches that, but I don't agree with his extreme, at times, methods. Poochie has known no bad treatment, and we hope to keep it that way. That said, he does have some innate "fears", but he works through them faster each time.
 
I do wonder about dogs dreaming. I wonder if the dog can tell if it's a dream or not, and whether phobias get created from the inability to differentiate dreams from reality. Poochie dreams a lot, as indicated by his gestures while sleeping. He was moving his legs once while sleeping and woke up with a start, obviously not recognizing immediately where he was. Ever read anything about that?
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 10, 2017 - 4:11pm
It sounds like Poochie has a very nice home and it sounds like you have an amazing little dog.  It sounds like he already has you and wife trained as to how he would like nights to go.  Not unusual for a Cockapoo, they are the consummate family dog and many, by their Poodle genes are quite smart (Cocker Spaniels aren't the smartest breed, but good buddies).   The domestic dog is still a pack animal, and needs to slumber in contact with his family as a measure of acceptance, but also rank.  If you get a second dog, he might be territorial when it comes to bed real estate. 
 
As a child, my family acquired a wonderful Cockapoo pup but we lost her within 2 weeks to distemper.  She had such a bright, loving spirit and I'll never forget her.  She could make me smile from ear to ear and I was kind of a serious kid.  Great dogs, Cockapoos.
 
Dogs have seemingly vivid dreams, and most of them will react physically and vocally when dreaming.  Both of my dogs do, but only one of them has dreams about running and skipping through the meadow (moves her legs a bit).  That same dog also has epilepsy, and often her seizures occur when she is asleep...probably because she is a lazy St. Bernard that sleeps all the time.  But there is a distinct difference between her vivid dreams and a full on seizure, and you would surely be able to tell.
 
As far as differentiating dream from reality, well, as far as I'm concerned dogs have 4 feet on the ground, and people only 2.  That's twice the levity.  ;) The domestic dog is proven to be better at communicating with humans than the chimpanzee, and as you know they are very, very smart.  Any phobias and fears would not be dreamt up by the animal but rather, their dreams would reflect their real life experiences.  Like humans, they know when they've been asleep but puppies, like babies probably like a little reassurance. ;)
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 10, 2017 - 4:15pm
Oh and as far as dogs being limited by their owners, I couldn't agree more.  "And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make" - Paul McCartney from the final song on Abbey Road, if I'm not mistaken?
 
In other words, the time you spend and your willingness to learn from your dog will determine how much of his potential he reaches, and how much he will learn from you.  One of the most special things on this planet is the canine-human bond.
Steve Borsher Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:27pm
I'm a first time dog owner, but my wife is not. I am thoroughly enjoying the experience, and trying to make his experience as enjoyable as possible too. I am also a bit of a tinkerer and enjoy trying to come up with things to stretch his mind and body.
 
He is not first generation and has a heart murmur, so we are keeping him fit and having him checked regularly.
 
Dogs rule.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 10, 2017 - 6:47pm
Congratulations!  There is nothing like raising a puppy.  Enjoy, Steve.  I know you will. 
Richard DeGraff Added Mar 15, 2017 - 9:56pm
I was wondering I never got a message from you for inactivity. I was going to write that I will miss you. Cheerio - Your back. WE should help you as a team.
Cheerio !!!!!!
Cliff M. Added Mar 21, 2017 - 5:50pm
Autumn, Sorry to bother you here but this is the only way I know how to contact you. My notifications haven't been coming for almost a week. Maybe you could help me out.
Steve Borsher Added Mar 21, 2017 - 6:26pm
Cliff, you can email back to Autumn at the address in the notifications; if you still have one.
Cliff M. Added Mar 21, 2017 - 6:28pm
Thanks Steve