Weigh In Here to Save WriterBeat

I hate goodbyes.  If you want Autumn to stick around, if you want Stone to stick around, say so or just click the "Like" button.  It's ridiculous that unsavory characters can sully this site and its great members so far to destroy the construct entirely.  Well, I'm pissed off about this.  I use WriterBeat as a platform and I'll be damned to have the rug pulled out from under me by some adolescent barking.


Should Autumn temporarily moderate WriterBeat?  Should she ban the characters who abuse the site and its members?  How can we save WriterBeat?  We can't let Autumn just drop and abandon all of this.


MJ Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:23pm
Tom, Autumn can just block the abusive one`s.......like wishing death on someone.....quietly, without communicating to them or the rest anything.
George N Romey Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:24pm
I hope Autumn reconsiders or at least hands the site off to someone else.  Look, WB has been described as the wild. wild west of blogging. Its raw and very real.  Autumn says she has a hard time getting writers because the brutal fact is most people suck when it comes to writing.  Social media turns everybody into a so called "I reporter" but most of what is written is boring and banal.  Look at some of the "featured" articles on Medium.  Its like comparing what a five year old drawls to a Picasso. 
Most people that come onto WB will write one article and never be heard from again.  Why?  Their writing is horrible and uninteresting or they simply parrot an already overused and overexposed idea (Trump is bad, Trump is good). 
I can understand Autumn's reluctance not to want to play moderator.  It would become a full time job.  Possibly she could try to get other writers to be volunteer moderators as other websites do.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:25pm
Sounds fine by me.  I think Autumn would give plenty of fair warnings, both public and private, before banning and blocking.  She's earned our trust for that and would likely provide as much transparency as she could..
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:27pm
I'm sure that there is an option for someone to take Autumn's place and SEF said maybe he would be back.
I don't want to make Autumn stay here if she doesn't want to.  
I've said this before, people are not going to stick around to be insulted by others.  Either give us all the option to block others, if that can't be done, then there needs to be some kind of rules of conduct.  You don't abide by these rules, you're out.  Doesn't have to be a big set of rules.  You can state your point without insulting others.  The name calling is not how you should debate others.  You don't win a debate by calling someone a liberal faggot or a conservative pig. These kinda things should not be tolerated.  
Billy Roper Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:27pm
I hope Autumn and Stone will both stay, and Writer Beat will remain free and uncensored. I say that as someone who has been threatened here more than once, myself.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:28pm
George, fine observations and ideas!  You're right.  It's relatively simple in principle.  We just have to persuade Autumn and her principles. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:31pm
Exchanges between you and those who've made threats towards you are as heated and alarming as any I've seen.  I've dealt with similar aggression on a smaller scale.  We have to keep it in perspective, basically.  I prefer no censorship whatsoever, but I can also respect the parasitic problem of those who use WB as a means to abuse, purely for the sake of abuse itself.
Dino Manalis Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:35pm
Threats against people should not be tolerated or accepted!  No more!
George N Romey Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:36pm
I've lived long enough to have met total assholes and amazing people of quality from every walk of life imaginable. So when someone goes on a rant about this group or that group I just ignore them.  I'm not going to change their mind and why do I want to sit home arguing with someone on line.  I have enough "real" problems in life without making virtual ones. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:38pm
I just made an appeal on FB to find more writers. It's not important if a user stays or not. The importance is that the site goes on. The format for articles and comments is excellent, undisturbed by ads and comments can be much longer than on comparable sites.
Thanks Tom.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:46pm
You're welcome.  And I mean that twofold...you're welcome on WB, far more than the Slade's who use WB as a means to unleash emotional spasms.  Anyway, maybe you just need a break from it.  I hope so!  There are too few perspectives from overseas and yours is intelligent.  You will be well-received when you return.  Don't stay away for too long.  :)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Mar 5, 2017 - 12:55pm
Hmm......you mean I'd have to bore people with reports from Senegal ? I almost got persuaded by so many people wanting me to stay. I really appreciate that, but this will not be possible without Autumn. She's the boss, and she decides whether to shut down or not...
But anyway, it might be true that I should stop my attacks against the US, even though I never meant the people as such. But let's finish with that. Here's a good video (a discussion) for the US population:
The Elites are afraid
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 1:27pm
Enjoying this interview, except for the elite pedophilic privilege.  Yuck!  That's news to me.  I hope President Trump eradicates this bunch.  He must. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Mar 5, 2017 - 1:29pm
Let's hope he can !!
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:18pm
Well, I finished the interview.  Interesting and scary.  No surprise it came from you!  LOL.  But that's why we  need you to stick around,  and to get Autumn to stick around.
Shane Laing Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:19pm
I freely admit I am not much of a writer but I do enjoy the writings of all. Some have more extreme views at times but are heartfelt and peoples views should be respected. Here we can challenge those views and enjoy the argument. (I'm not talking about the plain insults). Some, in fact most have articles have been very informative for me. I was especially interested to see the differing views with regard to the presidential election, the difference here on WB and that of the media was plain to see. Long may WB continue.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:23pm
Ain't seen nuthin' yet - Bachman-Turner Overdrive - 1972 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:24pm
I refrained from any comment LOL
Shane Laing Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:31pm
Now, now lets not start off on the wrong foot lol. BTO that brings back memories. Now I can't stop that tune from running around my mind. Well that's another shift done I'm off home. Stay lucky all.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Mar 5, 2017 - 2:35pm
Kaushik Venkatasubramaniyan Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:03pm
We can keep the portal going. We just have to keep posting and those of us who can, can contribute if and when necessary. Writers can delete comments on their articles that attack people rather than ideas or solutions. 
wsucram15 Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:27pm
SEF..has been here for a very long time he is one of the original writers on this page.  He is a huge part of the success of Writer Beat.  Autumn though would be the major reason for its success. I remember she was going to do a political column every week and she wanted me to write one topic a week to get people started.  That seems like so long ago now.   I had to decline because that was when I injured my left hand and couldn't type or write for months and months.   She got it done and did it very well, the writers were great.
But the stress I imagine she has to endure to keep this page going for nothing but keeping freedom of speech going is probably just a bit too much.
I see both her side and her brothers, this is a complicated issue, especially now. But its not worth that much argument. Its just not.  We should all be glad we had such a page for as long as we did.
SEF..you can only save something if everyone is on the same page, the reason there is a problem isnt difference of opinion but the hostility and verbal abuse.  If everyone worked towards the SAME GOALS, like before and appreciated what this page is..it would be great.  But you and I both know why this has happened.   Think about the people on this page and literally chasing  others off here, one by one. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:37pm
Maybe it needs moderation. But which moderator isn't biased. It's almost impossible. Only a group of moderators which work together can try to get some sort of objectivity. And we all depend on the media, whichever it is....
wsucram15 Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:55pm
But we did moderate together, Remember.  It was mutual respect. There were no laws, it was mutual respect and it was unified. I think I can pinpoint almost the day that went away on this page or at least a narrow time frame.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 5, 2017 - 3:57pm
An article like this was needed. I'm for even accepting a reasonable amount of adds to keep the site open. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:13pm
Indeed, we only need to partner with suitable sponsors.
Kaushik Venkatasubramaniyan Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:21pm
We have to be willing to put some contribution towards the site or else we won't have any leverage with potential sponsors who will have the whip hand. Running a website requires labour but in today's world isn't financially too expensive so minimal contributions may be enough. 
George N Romey Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:22pm
The biggest issue in bringing in ads might be number of articles.  Of course when a site gets to the size of Medium your writing quickly gets lost.  Medium is fighting with the idea of either ad revenue and/or paid membership because it has gone through its seed money.
I just don't have the expertise but maybe one of you do on the viability of ad sponsors.  Ads do not bother me.  However, with ad sponsors I'm not sure the site could continue as unfiltered and raw.
Kaushik Venkatasubramaniyan Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:25pm
If our contributions cover the portal's basic costs we'll have greater leverage in any negotiations with sponsors. 
Billy Roper Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:38pm
I can think of some people who might be willing to place ads here BECAUSE it si an uncensored site, because so much of the internet is censored, that is what would make WB a unique market for them, and a unique draw, just as it has been for me. They wouldn't be unbiased or politically neutral companies, though.
wsucram15 Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:46pm
Then it would just be another National Socialist page.  Just like if I brought MoveOn.org on here to advertise and multiple others.   If you want to do that, let me know..
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:53pm
Can there be a balance?  Such biased ads would have to be equal in their levels of extremes.  And really, placed side by side.  Equal opportunity influence. 
Shane Dean Added Mar 5, 2017 - 4:54pm
Please, no ads.  They will force writing to follow certain formulae to keep said ads.
wsucram15 Added Mar 5, 2017 - 5:14pm
No ads, no bias.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2017 - 5:16pm
However, the one bias we all might share is, to keep WriterBeat alive.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:45am
Slade - if it were me, you'd be deleted and blocked and I wouldn't feel one bit guilty about it.  You can create your own personal blog and publish your hate filled crap - but this is a publicly shared forum were members only SHOULD be expected to respect one another, regardless of their differences.  
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:14am
Slade - Racist is a word we call people we don't like, that's all, it has no meaning.  Challenging history as it has been taught to us is not a crime but a virtue. 
As for the rest - speaks for itself.  Worthless crap like that isn't going to make WB a popular forum that others wish that they could be apart of.  
Mircea Negres Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:37am
I think what will work is for the article writer to watch the comments and get rid of the insulting or threatening responses, but leave "writer so-and-so's response was abusive and deleted" in its place. Another thing might be a StinkedIn-like facility where members can contact each other privately in order to deal with offensive behavior BEFORE deletion of comment. When all else fails, there's always the banning option, but that should be Autumn's bailiwick.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:37am
After you slade. 
Billy Roper Added Mar 6, 2017 - 7:45am
If ads aren't used, then alternate sources of revenue for the site might include a user fee, which would severely limit participation, considering how many free forums there are out there which are similarly uncensored, even if they do serve as an echo chamber of one side or the other. How many here would be willing to donate money to keep the site going as is?
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 6, 2017 - 8:17am
Well I just came here and posted one story and have been looking around and it seems to me I came here at a bad time, lol.  I have been the member of countless numbers of discussion boards, been a staff member and moderator on 7 over the years.  The problems connected to censorship (let's call it what it is) is you have a nasty razor's edge to walk and one few people can actually do and remain unbiased.  I can offer some of the rules and guidelines I have used over the years, as well as others I have seen as a member but the main concern is how to keep your own feelings and beliefs out of the decision making.
From the little I have seen, yes Slade is overtly hostile and uses over the top attacks, but a series of steps can be put into place to try and nudge him to tone down some of the more hostile word choices.  You can say you dislike others and their comments and such without banning them outright, although sometimes that is needed to maintain harmony and cohesiveness of a community.
You can disagree without being disagreeable. ~ Ruth Bader Ginsburg

I do believe you can operate a free speech centered site and also deal with personal attacks that are over the top, yes some personal attacks must be allowed as part of spirited debate on a free speech format, but you can draw specific lines when it comes to threats of violence and what amounts to raw harassment and evil intent to bully or abuse others.  I have been part of several boards who did exactly that, but in all cases they fall apart over time for the same reason this site seems to be close to the same result, the "leader or founder" has taken too much on themselves and gets burned out.
To maintain any site, especially if you want to have some small level of moderation, you have to have staff.  Delegate certain aspects, get some help to take the pressure off.  Share responsibility.
Mircea Negres Added Mar 6, 2017 - 8:31am
Besides writers deleting offensive comments on their threads and Autumn banning repeat offenders, what we can do is first tell the troll why they're wrong and ask them to retract their statements. If they refuse, we can refuse to read whatever the troll might post and thus keep their impact at a minimum until they get tired of being ignored and leave.
Billy Roper Added Mar 6, 2017 - 8:35am
What makes Writer Beat unique, is its lack of censorship. Otherwise, there are hundreds of forums with much larger audiences which have rules.
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 6, 2017 - 8:42am
Let's keep in mind what Autumn has and hasn't said. She said she's withdrawing participation. She did not say she was closing the site. A clarification from her would be great and hopefully will be forthcoming soon. Until then speculation is perhaps premature. Remember her brother has shown interest in the site as well.
Just stating the facts as we currently know them. 
Nancy Rexford Added Mar 6, 2017 - 9:45am
Tom It would be unfortunate if Autumn were to leave. I do however understand her feeling that some of the commenters have chosen to take the low road. IE language people.
I am not fond of some of the screeds that enter the comments section on my articles and also other peoples articles. I especially think the personal attacks should stop. FYI people when you attack personally it diminishes any point you are trying to make. It also makes me think that your argument is weak or you would not be resorting to insults.
Perhaps more care should be taken when inviting people into the group. I am always careful to not express my arguments in the most base terms. It is a struggle sometimes.
Joe Chiang Added Mar 6, 2017 - 10:10am
I am on Writer Beat from time to time. I plan to post an article on School Vouchers later today. I would click "like" if I knew how. LOL
I also comment on articles with few comments to try and generate interest and articles I find especially interesting.
Autumn does a wonderful job of keeping this site running efficiently. Many may not realize how much work is involved in keeping such a site operating well. Plus there is no advertising or dues, so that means Autumn receives no pay for all the work she does. I, for one, have no problem with small adds in the margins to help compensate her for all she does.
Finally, I would be in favor of including in the rules of the site that there be no bad language and no denigrating of other writers. You are not a good writer if you are unable to write an article or comment without bad language. You have no argument or comment worthy of reading if it must denigrate others. These writers can and should be removed. But that is just me.
Mircea Negres Added Mar 6, 2017 - 10:27am
Joe, to "Like" an article on Writer Beat you should be logged in, then go to the article and click the "Like" button in the top right corner.
Joe Chiang Added Mar 6, 2017 - 10:40am
Got it.  Thank you.  :)
Abraham Samma Added Mar 6, 2017 - 10:50am
Woah, looks like things in here have gone a little sour since last time I was here. It's uncanny though because I just republished something here about normalisation of censorship and how we should go about policing the discourse for "toxic speech".
Here's my take: this job of policing comments should be a decentralised and open effort. Putting this responsibility into a single person's hands invites harassment (disgusting yes, but nobody likes centralised power figures, even if they own the place :shrug:)
Forum rules should be drafted and input from the community with preference to a team of independent moderators given preference to clarify the rules on a case by case basis if need be. It is hard to claim victim status if the whole thing is done in an open manner with maximum transparency. Obviously the this sounds rather good in theory but might not be so easy to put into practice but I'd hate to see only one person become a pinata for a bunch of rowdy people.
Billy Roper Added Mar 6, 2017 - 10:54am
I agree with Jennifer that further speculation by us is premature until we receive clarification from Autumn about the future of WB.
Shane Laing Added Mar 6, 2017 - 10:57am
Billy you did mention on another post that you knew a webmaster. If the worse comes to the worse, do you think he would be able to put forward a few suggestions as to the best way ahead?
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:02am
That's true about speculation.  On the other hand, she posted, "Goodbye WriterBeat".  IMHO, at the risk of sounding melodramatic - WB is not really WB without Autumn.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:08am
I see no traces of Slade Hartman a.k.a. Michael B. a.k.a. Meikl G.  Maybe he finally split?  Hmmm.
Billy Roper Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:18am
I don't know how you manage to keep up with all of their fake names. It's bewildering, Jeanne, Sara, Wsu, et cetera.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:24am
It's funny,  I can be extremely forgetful when it comes to mundane and domestic subjects, and even some detail oriented projects.  Just ask my wife!  ;).  For better or worse my brain has an abstract, intuitive element to it, in terms of the way my thought processes, recall and creative juices flow.
Joe Chiang Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:38am
I am on board with ANY means of keeping Writer beat clean, but without censorship.  I know that may be a fine line, but I think most of us can agree on words and phrases that are obviously not needed and are objectionable.  The personal attacks are another issue.  Maybe a complaint going to a panel of three with a vote of 2/3 to remove such comments and multiple violations, say 3, result in removal of the individual?
Of course with multiple aliases, getting back on would be no trouble, but maybe with a little more discretion.   I also agree that this would need to be led by Autumn, if willing.  :)
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:41am
I like that concept a lot, Joe.  Just needs some consensus fine tuning.  I'd volunteer to wear the objective robe of a judge on such matters, just to contribute to the growth and sustenance of WB.
Shane Laing Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:53am
Perhaps if we all agree that personal name calling should be banned. A good start I think. I like Joe's idea.
Billy Roper Added Mar 6, 2017 - 11:58am
Ultimately, whomever owns the site and has control over it will decide which kinds of censorship to implement, though, inevitably.
Bee Ess Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:10pm
Shane, what constitutes name calling?   Who gets to decide?   I have had people accuse me of name calling when I called them ignorant (which is absence of knowledge) on a subject.    
I have met some very knowledgeable people on here who can articulate their message very well.     I have also run across people who are just here to agitate and hate and could not manage an ice cube try properly.   They resort to name calling when you challenge their hysterical opinions which are fed to them by academia and the media. 
“The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.”
Thomas Jefferson
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:14pm
Very well-said, Bee Ess. 
Donna Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:26pm
I do not want this site to go away.. I do not write much, however i read most articles, and comment when i fully understand what was written. This site has some of the best writers i have seen. I do not like Medium, it appears to be more like Facebook. I have been off LI for a year or more, didn't like the way it was going.
If we must pay a small fee to help keep the site open, and have help for Autumn, so be it, i think most would do this, and as for insults, i have seen some really bad, and some i would not take as an insult but the other person did..Part of WB charm, is the freedom to say as you please..One can simply ignore the hate or insults thrown at them, or delete if it is your article..Maybe we can encourage all to be a little less harsh  to insults, and keep the site a little friendlier.  to capture more people..
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:32pm
Like Autumn I am dedicated to unabridged free speech. The name calling and invective is the cost of freedom people! The cost is reading/listening to things you may not like or want to.
No one has a right not to be offended!
I'm troubled to hear she and her brother had such a violent disagreement. Family is more important than anything else especially a website, even one we enjoy as much as WB so I applaud her valuing her relationship with her brother more than with a bunch of complainers like us!
All good things eventually pass. It was a great experiment while it lasted. 
Joe Chiang Added Mar 6, 2017 - 12:34pm
Ah, the fine art of insulting.  You are an ASS, is blunt and crude.  You resemble to south bound end of a north bound donkey is a little more civil, but says the same thing.  Your looks could stop a sundial is always good.  Sometimes, I have found, the less verbal individuals do not even get that they have just been insulted.  LOL
I believe I suggested stopping disparaging remarks.  There is a line between a well worded insult which has its own literary value, and making crude disparaging remarks, like FU, in my humble opinion.
Shane Dean Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:15pm
I am with you, Joe.  I think it is pretty easy to discern what is acceptable in a disagreement about an author's post.  Clearly, we will not all agree, and that is why we have the comment section.  But realistically the disagreements should stick to why you think the article is wrong and not go after the person personally.  I really don't think we should be looking at censorship so much as maintaining a code of conduct
Shane Laing Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:24pm
Bee Ess, By name calling I would say the remarks by Slade were plain for all to see. That is what I would call name calling wouldn't you? Was there any real need for that type of language I would suggest not. Don't call anyone anything here that you wouldn't say to them face to face seems a good standard to start off with.
Bill Kamps Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:31pm
To my knowledge I have never engaged in name calling, and have refrained from responding to those that do it.   However, I disagree with Joe, I dont think its possible to know what is name calling.  We have to have a committee to decide what is appropriate and what is not ?  I agree with Jeffry, just ignore it. 
If people ignored the name callers, they would go away.
What I have seen a few times, are threats against people, and that goes over the line.  Now, most likely the threats a just harmless, and being used to annoy someone, its still a very bad idea.  I dont have a problem banning people who make threats against other writers.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:47pm
I think a simple blocking tool like you have on facebook.  For instance:  Slade - that garbage he just wrote about me, I would block him.  He couldn't see me, I can't see him, but everybody else can see us.  You have these trolls who piss everybody off.  Eventually everybody will block them, they'll leave.  If they come back under another name, so what, maybe they will be more courteous or be blocked again.  Autumn or anyone else doesn't have to get involved at all.  But there should be some kind of policing out there.  We might be all tough and stuff and it don't hurt our feelings.  That's not the point.  People come to this site and read this stuff and decide whether they will like it here or not, or decide whether the stuff we write is of any value to them.  If this site is just a bunch of rough necks who know eachother real well and just talk shit to eachother.  This place isn't going to grow.  Don't you think that Autumn or another admin who might take over dreams of being successful and maybe earning something for all their work.  And there are assholes out there.  "Mother rapers, father rapers."  They are out there and they don't give a shit about anybody or anything.  They enjoy hurting other people and tearing stuff up.  If they can destroy WB, they did their job and they will go somewhere else where they are allowed to hurt others and tear stuff up.  You can't have free speech without some kind of policing, because some people will be afraid to say something because somebody else will jump all over them, or uncover some hidden thing they wish to be secret.  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 1:55pm
You can't have free speech without some kind of policing
Policing is antithetical to freedom. Full stop.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:07pm
Jeffry - use all the fancy words you want.  Some people will keep silent if they think someone will tear them up, so they're not free.  You might say, well, they're just not brave.  Maybe people who are not brave have something important to say.  My point, I've only been on WB for a short time and I've seen several ladies disappear from this site. Why waste your time here and risk being insulted when you can go to facebook, google+ or just make their own blog.  
Joe Chiang Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:23pm
Well said all.  Jeffry, freedom requires responsibility.  As President Truman said, "The right to swing your arms ends at the tip of my nose." (may not be an exact quote, but the flavor is correct.  :) )  If someone cannot write in a responsible manner then there needs to be someone to police the irresponsible writing.  This is not different from a free society having police to make sure citizens are being responsible with other people's property (theft).
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:23pm
Some people will keep silent if they think someone will tear them up, so they're not free.
They ARE free. They CHOOSE to remain silent. 
What you're advocating is lowest common denominator. Most have to be pulled down to the level of the weakest to satisfy your vision. 
That ain't freedom.
But, for argument sake let's say your way was the way, it would stand to reason that the majority wouldn't be free so the few could be. 
See how that works? 
Let's put it truck driver lingo you can understand. 
Let's say you're an outstanding truck driver. You are more than capable of pulling three round trips between Phoenix and NYC a month solo driving accident free 18 hours a day at 75 miles an hour to get those tomatos to the market. You know this because you have successfully done it for YEARS. Yet some POS with a badge who can't pass a donut shop decides you're a criminal for doing so. Where's YOUR Freedom Mr. Truck Driver? Hmm? You ain't got any because the driving school barely graduate can't do what you do and by goddamn golly you've got to be dragged down to his level. 
Man, ain't that livin'!
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:24pm
I have three rules I enforce on my own articles. No slander and no threats are the most important. Too me slander includes certain kinds of name calling (example "you are a moron" unless said person actually IS a moron by valid definition, highly unlikely). Threats include second hand threats (example "I hope Black Lives Matters murders your family") the latter may actually be criminally prosecutable as harassment and will cause me to forever ban said person from my discussions should they post the like to my articles. I may write an article to clarify this although it seems obvious civility to me (*shrugs*). 
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:25pm
I should add I've had very little problem with people with my rules, even people who are generally trolls. Just saying. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:31pm
I tend to subscribe too Jeffry's point of view.  Let's keep WB purely free flowing for ideas and even strong language.  Let the meek overcome their trepidation to subject themselves to greater heights.  We can't provide the coward with courage, it's up to he or she.
Billy Roper Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:41pm
Well, I've never once deleted any comments anyone had made, even those threatening me and calling me everything except a White man, personally. But most people can't take it, apparently, even when they don't use their real name.
Joe Chiang Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:48pm
I have never had bad language on any of my articles.  If someone starts to go in that direction, I just ask for them to keep it civil and each has been kind enough to do so.  Perhaps that is all any of us needs to do.  Then there will just be the butt heads who refuse, who can't take that direct hint. 
MJ Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:49pm
I agree with Jenifer because my motto is: 'if you don`t stand for something, you will fall for everything."
Nothing wrong in having definite rules that you enforce------because we set the tone how people treat us!
Jenifer Frost Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:53pm
Exactly MJ, and others can do as they please, including avoiding my articles if any semblance of order offends them. Chaos offends me. But to each his or her own. I had 115 comments on my last article, so I'm not exactly hurting for people to comment by my rules. 
MJ Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:54pm
.....by the way, I have on occasion deleted my own comments on articles where writers did not respond to my comments, it is like having a conversation with someone, it cannot be one-sided.......I don`t talk to the trees...........
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 6, 2017 - 2:58pm
This is not different from a free society having police to make sure citizens are being responsible with other people's property (theft).
Cops don't prevent theft. The aren't going to get the stolen articles back (and who would want something tainted by theft???), and the damn sure ain't gonna make me feel better about having my shit stolen. AT best cops are historians and that's giving their worthless asses way more credit than they deserve. 
I prevent theft. I live behind three layers of security on the 22nd floor with the best doors, locks, alarms. patrols and safes possible. The cop is down the street with his hooker gf getting blasted on his rot gut of choice. 
True believerism is gonna get you killed Joe. 
wsucram15 Added Mar 6, 2017 - 3:10pm
For once I agree with Roper, it is premature to speculate.  For the record, I chose to take my older articles down and stay on the page a) for my kid to try the site out, admittedly not a good choice and a great example of why this is happening; and b) because when I want to associate my name with the site, I will.
Anyone on here that matters is alright with this and anyone that isnt ok with it..does not matter to me. This is a site of free speech...remember?  You cant have it both ways, you cant be selective in how free speech works.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 3:14pm
Heh, someone ought to post a monthly WB confessional where everyone can confess their cyber sins.  Maybe that's all we need...not a truth arbiter but instead, a priest.  :)
Shane Dean Added Mar 6, 2017 - 4:49pm
Maybe THAT is what Ryan was born for...
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2017 - 4:51pm
Right!  Lol.
George N Romey Added Mar 6, 2017 - 5:04pm
First there are like 8 different threads on this one topic.  At this point Autumn, or Autumn's successor must tell us what is going to happen-site goes dark or someone (I assume her brother) will continue with the site. I am experimenting with Niume and so far so good.  Not as easy to use but the articles are not the one brain cell crap that get's featured on Medium. 
Dawn Foss Added Mar 6, 2017 - 8:42pm
First of all, Autumn can do whatever she desires, if it's truly her site.  We are guests, but also the contributors that make this a reality.  I think she is overwhelmed and frustrated, which is understandable.  I hope this site continues, but has some rules of engagement.  She has tried to avoid that in the interest of free speech, but remember that with freedom comes responsibility.
Dawn Foss Added Mar 6, 2017 - 8:43pm
Oh, and that is a quote by Eleanor Roosevelt: 
“Freedom makes a huge requirement of every human being. With freedom comes responsibility. For the person who is unwilling to grow up, the person who does not want to carry his own weight, this is a frightening prospect.”
Shane Dean Added Mar 7, 2017 - 1:02am
Good points to ponder, Dawn
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 7, 2017 - 1:22am
David K. You use words like feel in place of think and Allow and reasonable. All words with feminine attributes. What's up with that? 

Autumn's site. Autumn's rules. 
You didn't like her response so rather than man up and go someplace that suits your sensibilities you decide to come back under false pretenses to effect change that you have no business insisting upon. 
Aren't you something!
Bee Ess Added Mar 7, 2017 - 1:17pm
Shane, I can agree with you on that...   But, not everyone is clear on this...   So, someone who you call out as clearly wrong may take it personally and call it name calling, when it really is not... 
Shane Laing Added Mar 7, 2017 - 1:57pm
Bee Ess I agree with you but I think we can all see what Slade called Stone really was bang out of order.
Bee Ess Added Mar 7, 2017 - 3:15pm
Yeah, there are a few that regularly do this - Jeff Mischka comes to mind.   Wendell can go there...  There are others.   I tend to no let it bother me...
Joe Chiang Added Mar 7, 2017 - 5:14pm
So does Autumn have any suggestions on this or are we just ranting about something that will never happen?  LOL  What are we going to do?
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 7, 2017 - 5:24pm
We all anxiously await Autumn's arrival at the lectern.
Dawn Foss Added Mar 7, 2017 - 8:00pm
I read many but not all of the above posts, so please forgive me if someone already suggested this, but what about having a free blog from blogspot.com or making a free website from wix.com, or wordpress.com?  Could we post on that, or is it censored?  Someone could be the administrator, but what I don't know is if we can post our own articles on it.  Would the administrator have to start something like 3/7/17 posts, and people can respond?  I don't know - I guess that would be messy.  This site is so nice because we can look at people's articles and post wherever we want, and we too can post articles.  
I have to say that I don't put the word out about this site on my personal blogs and Facebook and email because of the foul language and disrespectful tone many times.  I'm not afraid to get in the mess in order to put my opinion out there, but it could offend some people that I know.  I think if it were more respectful, we could ourselves get the word out more, and find people on Linked In, etc., making a shout out call once in a while to encourage people to come on.  And would Autumn have to send us email reminders to check out Writer Beat?  I know I respond to her email reminders sometimes, but I would have gone on anyway, even without the reminder.  There's a draw here, because we all like to voice our opinions.  It's not an easy site to forget.  When I feel like "telling the world" how I feel about something, I post on Writer Beat! LOL!
Peter Corey Added Mar 7, 2017 - 10:43pm
>Ultimately, whomever owns the site and has control over it
"Whoever", not "whomever".
Good grief, Rope-a-Dope; you are dumb.
Peter Corey Added Mar 7, 2017 - 10:49pm
> Its like comparing what a five year old drawls to a Picasso. 
I assume you meant "scrawls".
Some conservative critics might assert that the scrawls of a five-year-old and those of Picasso look quite similar.
Peter Corey Added Mar 7, 2017 - 10:52pm
>Autumn can just block the abusive one`s . . .
"Ones" (plural), not "one's" (possessive).
And the criterion for "abusive" would be whatever you happen to find offensive?
Peter Corey Added Mar 7, 2017 - 10:54pm
>I say that as someone who has been threatened here more than once, myself.
What about the times you have threatened others on WriterBeat?
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 7, 2017 - 11:07pm
Dawn - I have a hosted site and I believe it has tools to create a forum, I'll have to look at that.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 7, 2017 - 11:18pm
I have phpbb  smf  mybb aef vanella punbb xmb phorum bbpres fudforum and minibb  
Anyone knows about this, I'd be willing to make you admin, otherwise, maybe I can figure something out and get this going.  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 8, 2017 - 1:38am
Do you support personal attacks or reasonable conversation on WriterBeat? 
First of all spell my name correctly moron!
I don't "support" anything. Its not a contest. I left behind binary thinking on May 4, 1970. 
I do advocate anyone saying/writing whatever the want. One's rights don't end where another's begin. BOTH exist at the same time. 
Popular speech doesn't need protection by its very nature, its unpopular speech that requires protection from snowflakes like you. 
You can't have both
You certainly can.
Do you support people like Ryan and Billy who use hate-speech and other language which Autumn made clear wasn't acceptable in the site's policies
Again I don't support anything. It's not a football game and it damn well isn't zero-sum. Dolt.
You clearly read into Autumn's Policies that which you wanted to see rather than what she intended or enforced. The operative phrase in her policy statement was "reserve the right". 
Clearly she chose not to exercise it. Its none of your business what her reasoning was and you have no right to insist she do something you prefer.
You don't like it go elsewhere. 
Please explain your answer for the community
I don't owe you an explanation and using the "community" bit to get it is pathetic. 
As a real man, the kind who doesn't believe in policing, I'm guessing that you didn't really like the site's policies in the first place.
You guess? Hilarious. Guess has the same effect as "feel" does and comes from the same feminization that has destroyed reason in DUHmerica. 
In the years I have been here I have never witnessed Autumn censor anything or anyone. Full stop. 
Do you think it possible her policy statement was a nod to the the requirement of the corporation that operates the server her site resides on? Ya know, the one that says "obey us your corporate gods or we won't sell you something"? Hmmm? 
I absolutely commend Autumn's unflinching defense of freedom of speech. I especially commend her doing so in the face of hundreds of freedom haters just like you berating her night and day with your nonsense. 
authors deleting questionable posts is nothing short of self-policing.
Only when an author deletes their own article/comment is it self-policing. DUH!
When an author deletes another's comment its a despicable act. 
Since, that's the case, why did you bother sticking around? 
Again, I don't owe you an explanation. 
Just because you "feel" thats the case doesn't make it so.
I stuck around because I celebrated Autumn's absolute belief in freedom. Full stop.
Leroy Added Mar 8, 2017 - 9:30am
"Some conservative critics might assert that the scrawls of a five-year-old and those of Picasso look quite similar."
It's giving too much credit to Picasso.  I read an article a number of years ago about a couple of art critics who conspired to praise Picasso even though they thought his "art" was crap.  It immediately gave Picasso recognition and fame.  That article was quickly quashed.  I never heard anything again about it.  Personally, I think his "art" belongs in the trash.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 8, 2017 - 10:38am
"I don't "support" anything. Its not a contest. I left behind binary thinking on May 4, 1970."
Do you elude to the shootings at Kent State?  In what way were you effected?
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 8, 2017 - 10:39am
I've always thought Picasso's work to be ugly.  Seriously, he should have just made stained glass.
Bee Ess Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:45am
Kind of like calling Andy Warhol prints "Art".  
I have a plastic wire brush I  placed on my grill while it was hot (forgetting the grill was still on).  The plastic melted into the grate.   I have it hung up in my garage and call it "Well Done" as a joke and want to take it to the Ann Arbor Art Fair.     I could probably fetch $200 or more for it by some  moron who actually would think it is art...     We see way too much crap being sold off as art and people paying allot of money for it.   I don't blame the "artist", it is those who actually pay for it... 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 8, 2017 - 11:48am
Bee Ess,
LOL!!  Thanks for that imagery and laugh.
Bee Ess Added Mar 8, 2017 - 1:19pm
Jeffry, I think we get in trouble when we take ourselves too seriously.   I often tell people when I am being sarcastic, to reference my initials (BS)...   
My first name is Bob and I tell people not to spell it backwards or that sometimes an extra "o" is appropriate...   
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 4:36am
Do you elude to the shootings at Kent State?  I
In what way were you effected?
In multiple ways. Most egregious was the rape of one of my sisters with a billy club. The fucker that did that was killed a couple years later by a drunk driver. Too damn good for him in my opinion. 
Seeing US soldiers wearing US Army uniforms, shooting innocent young people with US rifles and US ammunition on US soil laid bare the lie that DUHmerica was different, better, even exceptional. 
It pissed me off.
As a result I began to examine EVERYTHING I had been inculcated with and found it all to be 100% pure USDA Prime Bullshit. 
Then I got really pissed off. 
I found it unbearable to be physically on DUHmerican soil and eventually impossible. 
I keep trying to hang on long enough to see my deepest dream realized - the collapse of the warmongering terrorist regime in Washington DC that threatens the peace and dignity of every soul on this planet. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 4:47am
Jeffry, I think we get in trouble when we take ourselves too seriously.  
I hear ya. 
On one hand I understand your point. On the other hand, when some little pissant with his head up his ass opens his comment with the express purpose of starting some shit this tall large old man's fighting side is going to assert itself on general principle. Its a good thing he's on the other side  of the planet otherwise I hurt myself getting out of my wheelchair to do something about it. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 4:55am
free speech has limitations as designed by the Founders
Even if true, who's founders? 
Not mine. 
When the gov't committed its crimes on May 4, 1970 they nullified the contract between the people and the government. 
When one party to a contract breaks any part of the contract it automatically becomes null and void in its entirety. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 9, 2017 - 11:21am
So you really had the misfortune of having USDA prime lies served directly to you.  The aftertaste must really linger.
Now I'm pissed off.  I'm not well informed on what happened at Kent State, May 4, 1970.  I'm compelled to ask you for more.  Can you write an article surrounding how you came to that conclusion - maybe including some other comparable events on U.S. soil and abroad?  If not, maybe I'll take a crack at it - if I can manage to get around to it!
This country, the U.S., was established by the wisest of men, but has rarely been led by wise men.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 12:16pm
I find it terribly difficult to pound out a comment these days an article is out of the question. Takes two or three tries to get one sentence to make sense. If you read my comments just for today you see a marked increase of mistakes. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 9, 2017 - 12:31pm
Tremor?  From Parkinson's?  I have a tremor too.  My Neurologist says my "Essential Tremor" will get gradually worse over the next two decades but he really didn't have to tell me that, because it was obvious to me already.  I have good days and bad days with it.  It mostly effects my hand but I get the occasional spasms and rigidity in my neck/head area. 
It has been psychologically challenging because I was a hard bodied athlete for most of my life, but now I'm riddled with muscle spasms, chronic pain and fatigue, and sometimes when I want to type it can be a daunting challenge.  The most frustrating thing is having my focus and concentration interrupted due to spasms and pain. 
The cause & effect are unclear.  Blood tests and brain scans came back normal.  I thought it could have been concussions from football or steroid medications prescribed to me as a young child, but there is no way of knowing for sure right now.  Anyway, I can't say that I feel your pain but I do believe that I can relate.  Some articles take me longer than I think they should to produce but that's partly because I hold myself to certain standards (usually).  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 9, 2017 - 1:43pm
The tremors are bad enough as is the extreme difficulty swallowing but as many have noticed and pointed out Parkinson's Dementia is asserting itself.  
Michael B. Added Mar 9, 2017 - 3:29pm
Tom, I'll try to help Jeffry out. The Kent State shootings were the result of the firestorm of protests that followed the U.S. invasion of Cambodia several weeks before. Although Nixon was pulling out troops from Vietnam, he compensated with massive bombings of Laos and Cambodia. The communists had always used both of those nations' territory for basing and staging areas, but their rulers would not permit American troops on their soil. Prince Sihanouk of Cambodia was playing a delicate game with all of the warring powers, but when he was deposed and replaced by a pro-American general named Lon Nol, the Americans finally got the green light to go after the communist base areas in Cambodia in search of the so-called Central Office for South Vietnam, which was alleged to be a "bamboo Pentagon". Although the incursion did in fact capture huge quantities of weapons, ammunition, and thousands of tons of other materials, the communists, as usual, melted away to fight another day, and no "bamboo Pentagon" was ever found. It was perceived by many, more-or-less correctly, that Nixon, instead of drawing the war down, was in fact expanding it, which led to the massive protests that led to the Kent State shootings. Cops were much more brutal back then, and National Guard troops are notorious for being badly disciplined and trained, but I'm foggy as to why the Guardsmen carried live ammunition and why they opened fire.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 9, 2017 - 3:30pm
Well we're all demented in some way.  I'm unaware of how Parkinson's and dementia connect.  I imagine that, after awhile, the mind struggles to cope with fighting to preserve and operate its motor skills/motor neuron functions.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 9, 2017 - 3:40pm
Thanks for the summary and it's good info there!  That's some expensive freedom happening there.
As far as my request to Jeffry, I just have curiosity about his insight and reasoning, having been so directly effected.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 10, 2017 - 12:54am
cut and paste:

Is Parkinson's dementia?

Parkinson's disease dementia is a decline in thinking and reasoning that develops in someone diagnosed with Parkinson's disease at least a year earlier. Common symptoms include: Changes in memory, concentration and judgment.

Dawn Foss Added Mar 10, 2017 - 9:50am
Jeffry, I'm sorry for your ailments. :(
Bee Ess Added Mar 10, 2017 - 10:02am
Jeffry, I understand.   I will tell you from personal experience hatred breeds hatred if we allow it...   I was assaulted a couple years ago.   I stayed up many a-night plotting revenge, thinking how I could have better defended myself, imagining beating them up and waking them on the back of the head with a shovel, etc..    Once I forgave, I was set free.    I realized that by me allowing myself to be hateful was allowing evil to win and triumph. 
Jeffry and Tom, on your medical issues,  if you don't mind, let me give you some advice.   Doctor's don't know what to do with these diseases.  
You need to detox regularly.  Detox tea, Bentonite Clay, IR Sauna, etc.  are good detox methods.
Ketogenic Diet.   Look it up - it works.
Consider a Liver Gall Bladder Flush...   It is easy and inexpensive and you will feel better.    I can give you more details if interested.
Mix up some sea salt sole and use it daily.    Don't drink excessive amounts of water - that is a scam cooked up by bottled water companies.  Drink when you are thirsty.
My brother has MS.   He has been using a product that has helped slow down the MS  and also uses medical marijuana to ease the pain and stress (stress makes it worse).  I can share the product with you if you like - I use it and it changed my life.  In fact, when I was assaulted, it helped me to heal quicker.
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 10, 2017 - 10:45am
Thanks for that information.  All is familiar except for the ketogenic diet, and I'll check it out.  So far, cannabis has been the most effective treatment.  What is the other product?  Yes, please do share.  The amount of tissue and joint pain/damage can be incapacitating.  I'm all ears.
Assaulted?  May I ask?
Jeff Michka Added Mar 28, 2017 - 10:17pm
Bee eSS whines: Yeah, there are a few that regularly do this - Jeff Mischka comes to mind.   Wendell can go there...  There are others.   I tend to no let it bother me...  - Oh, you got furious about being called out for perping and posting fake news.  Fake news is the daily bread of several WB rightist club members, including BS. "Michele Obama is a transexual" and how HRC and Barack Obama were schooled by Saul Alinsky personally, after Saul was dead sound familiar, Bee Ess? Bee Ess doubled and tripled down on his fake news, and now complains.  Geeze, what a collective pack of suckers and unquestioning fools, trying to save WB or your egos?  Bee Ess needs to pack some more Bentonite Clay between his ears.

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