Values of a Constitution, and why people hate it, and who they are.

It is good Autumn is back.  But human nature has never changed over thousands of years and it's not about to change here until there is LAW and ORDER set up.  Some parties will back off and recede, but they will come right back on and start again in a while, and the same chaos we just saw will repeat itself.  So we will address who is causing this, why they are causing it, and what can be done.


There were not many causes of the problem, though the biggest causes of the problem were the ones shouting the loudest against any rules on the site. As they hate law and order in their own lives, so they hate law and order around them.  Our nation was founded upon absolute law and order that was given us by nature, and nature's Creator. Those who violate God's law in their own life are apt to violate it outside their lives.  So, while it was good to see Expat take back his post, and I certainly harbor no ill will towards him, yet it's a disgrace that a man at his age is still talking crudely about lascivious topics, and openly admitting, with pride no less, that he is an open libertine.  He is not alone, but since others have not been such a huge problem on this site, I will leave them alone.  As for Slade/Michael B. he is quite a character, and if it weren't for his profane/debauched nature has many heroic qualities.  But these heroic qualities will never be fully developed until he lays aside the bestial qualities that detract from a man reaching his potential.  The other culprits are those who despise self control, embrace hedonism, and have revisionist views of history to justify their depraved actions.


Why are they causing the chaos?  Because, those with little self control have no option but to harm others.  Hurt people hurt people.  They use profanity, they use lecherous language and revel in discussing filth.  Their prurient interests are what inevitably comes out of their mouths.  Good sense and decency are things they have an allergy to.  When people cannot allow nature's God to rule their lives, they sure aren't going to allow humans created by nature's God to rule their lives either.  The Constitution was created for a moral and a religious people.  It was not created for corrupt people, who can't rule themselves.  Let us examine one of the most debauched religions in world history.  Islam was founded by Muhammad, who is a lot like many men on this site.  He had no control over his sex drive.  As such, he was a bloody murderer, a pedophile, a liar, and a sexual deviant.  To this day, Islamic men have this problem, and Islamic nations are typically hell holes where no sane person wants to visit.  The men have barbaric practices, and the women are forced into slavish servitude.  And that is the role the corrupt men on here wish women had as well.  Many flat out admit they have to pay women for sex, and boast about it.  That is so depraved, I don't know where to start.  Only a people who can be ruled by reason and morality can function in harmony with each other and look to others interests instead of their own bestial desires.  Those who cannot deny self, can never truly love others.  Self denial is one of the first steps towards true love, and that includes agape and Eros.  Two ways to pervert an individual is to pervert their sex drive outside of marriage, and to pervert their reason with lies and propaganda.  Mind altering drugs are another form. 


The proposed Constitution earlier is a perfect illustration of why John Adams said the Constitution could only rule a moral and a religious people.  Because the least moral people among us kicked up the biggest fuss about having rules.  They don't care that the rules are elementary for even grade school kids, they care only about being able to pursue whatever direction their deceitful and wicked hearts lead them.  


So, if we are going to have an environment where free speech, which was not created to give justification for the profanity and other perversions many of you claim are protected by free speech, is allowed to have free reign, than we need to have rules to get rid of profanity, lewdness, and blatant lying. Free speech was given us by Founders who never used profanity or lewdness publicly, and when they did do it in private, they had the good sense to apologize and try to repent. They certainly never boasted of their evils. So to hear people claim it's tyranny to try to impose rules that were universally acknowledged by our Founders is completely absurd.   


This is a website, but if the laws of history are not applied to any endeavor, than it is fated to repeat the mistakes of those in the past.  It is up to us to either be wise and allow the lessons of the past to guide us to a prudent present and a grand future, or to ignore them and to settle for a mediocre existence where people who are slaves to themselves continually try to make others slaves to the same debauchery they themselves are held captive to, by their behavior and treatment of others.  The greatest slavery is that to self.  For writing, art, or any other great endeavor to truly flourish, and the creator to be happy as well, one must conquer self.  No one can do that for anyone, but at least a healthy environment will be promoted with these rules, and the tyranny and anarchy of the lawless number who cannot govern themselves, will be defended against.




Louis E Weeks Added Mar 10, 2017 - 8:24am
Well two issues with your story, first and most glaring is you calling out specific people and saying horrible things about them, the words you used were just as bad as profanity in it deals with attacking a person at the core of their being.  This is how a fight starts because even if it is true, public name calling leads to those others wanting to respond and call you names in return, it is a never ending cycle.
The second one is, rules certainly sound like a good idea, but many evil things are done with good intentions.  Who makes the rules?  You?  Who is without sin cast the first stone?  As I pointed out in my story about censorship, there is always harm when you censor others, sometimes that harm may be justified but still there is harm and once you go down that road there is no return.
Now that does not mean I am against rules, I have been a moderator on several sites and enforced the rules of the site owners without reservation, but I am just saying we all have our biases and loyalties, none of us are perfect so an imperfect human being setting rules for other human beings can have consequences we do not always expect.
Mike Haluska Added Mar 10, 2017 - 8:46am
Ryan - excellent post!  I think the whole point of the Constitution is to LIMIT the authority of the Federal Government and to provide a means for its citizens to settle their disputes peacefully.  With this in mind, we hold regular elections so that political power can be transitioned peacefully.  Nobody holds an office for life (except SCOTUS) and people agree that in return for NON-VIOLENT transitions, we accept the results of elections whether our party won or not. 
This past election the "progressive" wing of the Democratic Party has made a mockery of our tradition and are actively engaged (including the former POTUS) in overturning the 2016 election.  It is especially hypocritical of the Democrats because prior to the election THEY were the ones "worrying" about Donald Trump not accepting the election results!
The ultimate result of their "protests" will be the marginalization of the Democratic Party and for all intents and purposes a Republican controlled one party system.  That isn't good for the country - hopefully rational Democrats will regain control of their party before it's too late.
Dino Manalis Added Mar 10, 2017 - 8:47am
Rules and regulations are everywhere and we have to deal with them, including Writer Beat!
Mike Haluska Added Mar 10, 2017 - 9:06am
According to "Progressive" dogma, "Rules & Regulations" are for people they oppose and/or want to exploit for their own benefit.  As soon as the results of the "rules" (like last election results) aren't favorable, they ignore them and try to overthrow whoever benefitted that time.
Frakkin pathetic!  Can you imagine playing Poker with these clowns?  Whenever they lose a hand they want a "do-over" and claim the Russians were disclosing their cards to the other players!
Bill Kamps Added Mar 10, 2017 - 9:46am
Ryan, while law and order makes sense and is necessary in the real world we live in, it is not nearly as necessary in the virtual world of WB.  I also take issue with your generalization that those people who oppose rules, are the ones that violate them, or do things that upset others.   I dont want rules in WB, even though as you have observed, I generally dont violate the rules that have been proposed.   I do not consider myself the "least moral" of us, even though I protested the rules.   I also dont think we need to obey your moralities in order to participate in WB. 
The fact is, if people in WB write things we dont like, dont read it !  it is simple as that.  Just as you dont watch TV, and I dont watch TV shows I dont like, I dont say that there should be rules against the  TV shows I dont like, I just dont turn them on.
This is very different from people in the real world committing violence against other people.   The only rules I would support are those against people making real threats against other members. 
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 10, 2017 - 10:36am
Bee Ess,
You are way off base my friend, assumptions are almost always wrong, lol.  I am a Conservative and nothing I said above was even remotely political.
Slow down, take a deep breath and calm yourself then read my post again with the goal of comprehension.
Eileen de Bruin Added Mar 10, 2017 - 11:40am
Mr. Ryan Messano.  Is this not a case of the kettle calling the pot black?  Some of your commentary on WB is highly judgmental in a personal level and can be most insulting. I have been quite amazed at your stance now. The 'violation" of rules are, apparently the violation of the world according to your own ideology. Which seems rather narrow and restrictive; a bit like a guy with a stick to hit anyone who goes over his own narrowly defined lines.
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 10, 2017 - 11:46am
I said I was a Conservative, I do believe I get to identify the way I want to, lol.  Other people can pretend to be what they want that does not change the basic idea of being Conservative.
You jumped to a really bad conclusion, that is on you, hard to point your finger at others when you are making a lot of very basic mistakes yourself.  At the end of the day we are all human beings and must deal with things as the imperfect people we are.
I love the Constitution and all it means, a truly unique and special experiment in the world, America is still like a young adult compared to all the much older and established Nations out there, and I am proud of how far we have come.
I defend Trump, because what is the alternative?  Another stuffed shirt professional politician with two sets of beliefs?  One they say on the campaign train and one they impose policy with?  Trump nominated one of the best supreme court Justices a Conservative could have hoped for, that one fact alone makes him a friend of Conservatives, would you rather have the kind of Justice Hillary Clinton would nominate?
Bee Ess, we can't just burn it all down, we have to sometimes make some choices, what exactly are you advocating we do instead?
Shane Dean Added Mar 10, 2017 - 12:15pm
Ryan, before you complain about the speck in your neighbor's eye get rid of the plank in your own.  You have historically been one of the most flagrant violator of the site's code of conduct.  Which I am sure you will find a way to justify and deny, but the rest of us know the truth.
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 10, 2017 - 4:38pm
"Do not be banal and perceive you know anything about me, my religion, or who I am from a several paragraph response."
It does not take a lot of words to understand core beliefs and loyalties of a person, usually they make themselves very well defined by just a few words:
"The fervent fanatics who supported Trump"
You are easy to understand by that one comment alone, lol.  Just another name caller insulting all who do not agree with you.
Maybe a long look in a mirror could do you some good?
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:08pm
Thomas, you are seriously deluded about religion, and you just used profanity, so I deleted you.  Not bright to curse on a post advocating for banning profanity.  And you should be ashamed of yourself for not educating yourself on Islam's 30,000 terror attacks in the last 15 years, as opposed to all other religions whopping combined 18, and yet having the audacity to tell me to be ashamed of myself for criticizing them.  The Christians you know are CINO's  (Christians in name only).
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:12pm
Louis, WRONG!!  No one forced anyone to make their choices, but if they choose to act in a certain way, then it certainly can be addressed, and should be.  People like you are why our country is such a disgrace, because you are pathetic leaders.  You stand for principles, but are too cowardly to do anything about violations, because you are pusillanimous pussyfooters.  And you think tolerating anarchy is some kind of virtue.  Of course, the left loves your kind.  
Standards for right conduct should have been learned by all of us, without having to stupidly say we all have faults.  Of course, we all have faults, but some of us learn, and some never do.  
Reveling in your mediocrity is not a virtue.  Reminds me of Winston Churchill saying of an opponent, "He was a modest man, with much to be modest about".
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:13pm
Thank you Mike, and Amen Dino!
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:14pm
Well, Bill, maybe head to some anarchist haven, because no rules means no success.  If you put half the time you put into objecting to rules into actually figuring out why the rules matter and what good they lead to, you'd be a decent and passionate writer instead of the meandering and apathetic nonsense you continually plaster WB with.  Of course you don't want rules, you love mediocrity.
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:15pm
Amen Bee!  Their criticism is misguided anyways.
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:16pm
Eileen, maybe if you went with the rule that your born genitals make you a man, maybe you'd understand my rules a little better.  Kindly save the lecture on pots and kettles for yourself, because you have no business lecturing me on what should be a rule or not, until you let nature's rule prevail in your life.
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:18pm
Shane, constantly mistaking passionate attacks based on facts with a violation of site rules.  No, facts are facts.  Attacking people's character when it deserves to be attacked is not breaking the rules.  Only those who care little about character think so.
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 5:27pm
Henry, maybe learn about Islam?  
Please go read a good book about it, and educate yourself, before you come on my post and fill it with your liberal claptrap.  
What kind of dunce says Christianity is violent when not one instance or command for violence exists in the NT, which is the law of Christians, and the Quran, Muhammad, and Islamic history is full of commands and instances of violence?  
Yes, Henry, please don't quote Jesus, you know absolutely nothing about the Bible you try to condemn.  You should have followed Twain's advice and kept your big trap shut.  "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".
Then you try and arrogantly strut, chirping about "separation of church and state".  What an absurd statement!!  Go read the letters and then come back and admit you are completely wrong!! Next time you come on my post go read a book and quit wasting my time!!  Bad enough not to know anything about what one is talking about, but worse to try and rebuke others who do!
We have freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion, get it straight!
Hillary is the most corrupt candidate in American history, and Trump, warts and all, was a million times better than anything the Democrats had to offer.
And the Constitution was created for a moral and a religious people, not for proud peacocks like you, who walk about strutting their ignorance as if it is something to be proud of.  Go fix yourself.
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 10, 2017 - 6:09pm
Again, you feeling the need to attack me on a personal level while dodging the valid points being made proves you are just as bad as those you point your finger at.
I never attacked you, I pointed out that there are many ways to be insulting and abusive without using profanity.  You pretend to be on the high road because you do not use profanity but you use just as nasty words and make just as nasty of personal attacks so I am sorry you can't let yourself admit this fact but it is actually very common for people to see their own bad behaviors as good while condemning lesser behaviors in others.
You have a nice day  :)
Ryan Messano Added Mar 10, 2017 - 7:01pm
Your ideas were attacked, though you hate to have your ideas tied together with negative outcomes, and claim you are being personally attacked, when it's your own ideas that you should bother about.
Your perception of my words is your perception, and is being employed by you as a self defense mechanism.  Your opinion is completely subjective, and is not objective at all. To claim that my words are nasty and I make nasty personal attacks right after your ideas are criticized show you simply have a hard time taking criticism, and employ the age old stratagem of trying to accuse your accuser of something to try to avoid cognitive dissonance, which requires a change in thoughts and behavior on your part.  
Strong rebuke and  profanity aren't even remotely related and that you feel the need to compare them shows your reasoning ability isn't  the sharpest.  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 11, 2017 - 7:54am
I don't and never have needed some lawmaker, nameless faceless bureaucrat, cop, teacher, hall monitor, preacher, security guard to tell me what is right and wrong. I know that all on my own. I'm a pretty smart guy. 
I have always resented the above named scumbags bringing me down to the lowest common denominator as anyone with well above average intelligence and capability naturally would. 
When I choose to do something I know is wrong that's on me. I accept the responsibility for it. I'm using WRONG not illegal. Illegal isn't necessarily wrong as we all know by the plethora of insane laws, rules and regulations being issued every minute of everyday in the land of the formerly free. 
And who's damn business is it if I drive 5 mph over the speed limit in the left hand lane? This is used as an example not as a rant.  Clearly I'm not holding up traffic - I'm doing 5 over........, so some self-righteous scumbag deciding he'll teach me a lesson by speeding up, passing on the righside of me ( supposedly what he's upset about) whipping in front of me (reckless driving) brake checking me (reckless driving) and gesturing at me (road rage) is much worse than my heinous "crime". 
Same goes for self appointed censors and blockers .
That's just me, I could be wrong. 
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 11, 2017 - 8:39am
I simply pointed out that you attacking with non-vulgar words is still an attack, I have made it a point to never mix my emotions into the internet world, so you can get all butt hurt and attack me too if it offers salves to your hurt emotions in me calling you out with facts but you can't hurt me to get even, my point is made, and you continuing to behave poorly to try and strike out at me and others who also called you out is proving my point.
Communication is more than the words you use, it is intent behind the words that truly count.  You intend to hurt others, it makes no difference if you choose profanity or not to fill that negative intent.
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 11, 2017 - 8:53am
You can dance around the point the same as Ryan all you want, you made a blanket nasty attack on all Trump supporters, while I do agree some people who voted for Trump were indeed on the radical side, so were Obama's and every other President, did you see the videos of Obama followers fainting during his speeches?  Millions of Americans worshiped Obama like a Deity.  But does that mean all those who voted for Obama were fanatical?  Of course not.
So you claim you had family who were on the bad end of deals with Trump, did he break the law or was your family simply not on the same business level as Trump and lost?  Sounds like you are bitter over your own family being inferior, lol.
And this part again proves what is in your heart:
"covets his daughter"
Those of you on the radical left love to make up sick little fantasies for those you do not agree with politically, I have been deeply involved in most of the hard left circles for over 30 years, a early member of the Huffington post, thinkprogress, moveon, etc and I know exactly the mindset and debate style of those who are more interested in hard left partisan hate than anything else and you are 100% cut from that cloth my friend. 
You try to justify your hate sure, you offer little stories and make all sorts of unfounded claims to justify it, but hate it is and you simply can't help yourself.
If you ever want to have an actual debate on facts alone and leaving the childish insults and unfounded slanderous claims out of it I will gladly and enthusiastically engage you on any topic you care to discuss, but I will always call you and others out when you try to insert lies and hate and unfounded fantasies into the discussion.
And let me add, I think Trump is a big mouthed jerk and certainly not anything resembling a professional politician, but that is why so many people from all aspects of the political spectrum voted for Trump.  Not fanaticism, not  blind loyalties, not hate, the simple truth is Trump won by default as the only non-politician the people had to choose from, if Bernie had been the Democratic nominee he would have won.  And I would have voted for Bernie too.  Not because I loved his policies but because Bernie would have blown up Washington better than Trump.
Louis E Weeks Added Mar 11, 2017 - 4:36pm
I guess this is why I find these types of sites pointless. 
As my first post described labels are a very evil thing.
While you call all Trump supporters fanatics and claim Trump is sexually coveting his daughter?  You are applying all sorts of nasty labels on others but you claim using labels is is evil?  Well stop doing it then.
And nobody is supporting Trump is any sort of fanatical way especially considering how devoted other people were to previous Presidents like Obama and Bill Clinton, they called Bill Clinton the first Black President, so no, there is no evidence at all that anyone is especially fanatical with Trump.
All of the claims you make against Trump seem personal and lacking any actual facts, you offer no links or support for any of your claims of first hand business knowledge of Trump and no explanation of if anything was illegal or not, you just make up all sorts of stuff and expect me to believe it?  Yes, Trump is a businessman, and yes sometimes when you do deals you make out well and sometimes you do not, it is all part of the business world and nobody is forcing you or anyone else to roll the dice in the business world, getting pissed off because you were not smart enough to deal well in that world is not Trump's fault.
You can try to claim not to be loyal to any mindset but you use words that clearly point to specific sets of political loyalties, so yes you are in fact sharing far left ideologies, at least right now, based mostly on the fact you apply nasty names to anyone who voted for Trump and the way you make up sick fantasies about Trump wanting to have sex with his daughter.   Only those on the far left make up those specific kinds of sick fantasies for those they do not agree with politically.
Dave Volek Added Mar 11, 2017 - 8:44pm
Henry: I really like many of your comments on this thread. As for Trump, I will just say that America is going through an interesting social experiment. We will find out how well it works in a few years.
I think WB should offer several versions of itself. If Ryan wants to moderate, Autumn should give him that responsibility for one of those versions. Then we will know for sure if Ryan has what it takes to keep a series of dynamic discussions happening. 
I am a believer that some rules need to be applied. A total free speech environment tends to scare a lot of good people away. And the results of four years of WB suggest that allowing total free speech has not brought this forum to any kind of recognition to advance the world in any way.
But, of course, comes the debate of who makes the rules and how are those rules enforced. Maybe that's why WB needs several versions of itself.
I would gravitate to a WB group whose contributors use an organized debate approach where a writer makes a few points and commentators make counter points are made on those original points.    
Eileen de Bruin Added Mar 12, 2017 - 8:03am
Ryan, I have no idea what your reference, directed at me, about being born with genitals is supposed to mean.  It is incomprehensible to me but I guess that it must be some kind of barely cloaked insult. I am an English woman, married to a Dutch man - we have been together for thirty-eight years, have a child, a grandson and various family all over the UK and Holland and Argentina and New Zealand and Spain. Quick overview of me - I have lived and worked throughout Europe - and in Singapore -as a systems' analyst, in marketing and, ultimately, training lady Spanish execs in speaking and presenting, in English.  Why, oh why must you subject me to such ugly language?  It really is not the kind of language that people should use at all. You do not even know me. Calling the pot black implies, by the way, that you are one of the greatest offenders on WB, in terms of insulting people gratuitously. And I do rest my case. If anyone out there can enlighten me on what Ryan is implying in terms of genitalia I would be reluctantly grateful. Unless it is too vulgar to spend any more mental energy on, of course.
Dave Volek: I am not sure that Ryan is a contender for a moderator on any thread or on any media at all.
Now, on your commentary Ryan:
"........And you should be ashamed of yourself for not educating yourself on Islam's 30,000 terror attacks in the last 15 years, as opposed to all other religions whopping combined 18, and yet having the audacity to tell me to be ashamed of myself for criticizing them."
Where on earth has this come from, and with such precision?  It is beyond absurd to train thought on a group of people denoted as "Islamic" to be totally focused on terror attacks.  "Religion" in itself is not a reason or a cause to fight and kill.  A 'religion' doesn't even have to have spiritual roots.  One can be "religiously" focused on hate and finding "evidence" to support that hate. What one seeks, one finds.  
I find the absurdity of focusing on a group of people to hate - whatever their apparent religion or culture - is not a healthy way of thinking; moreover, it most certainly is not at the root and core of Christian psychology and teachings. On the contrary.
Politics and power will use religion, certainly, for its own ends. But that does not make it right nor should we be taken in by the true objectives. It is easy to have people focus on a group to hate as it takes away the responsibility of the politicians to focus on diplomacy and truth. The war machine has a never ending cash flow whereas a health care system is utterly impossible to fund. Hmm. 
WarHammerRadio Added Mar 12, 2017 - 11:44am
Whose God?
Who's God?
Who cares?
Whether it is Gods Law, Natural Law or Free Speech it is all the same....the ability to speak freely, in any manner one chooses.  If others do not like it, they can not read it, respond using free speech or piss off.  Life's tough, get a helmet. 
The only limit upon free speech in a free society is that of a Civil Society, "Do No Harm", meaning: Do not yell "Fire" in a crowded movie house, do not impugn someone who has integrity without proof, do not make unfound allegations, but if speaking the truth, speak it loud, speak it proud and FFS, say it any damn way you please because, as Filthy Lenny said, "If you can't say FUCK, you can't say ""Fuck the government"". 
Live free my friends and if you lack the gravitas to do so, stay the fuck out of my way.

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