They're all Sociopaths

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I'd be hard-pressed to name one investment banker-wall street barker-money guy who wasn't a sociopath, or had sociopathic tendencies. To be successful in that business these days isn't like being Jimmy Stewart in, It's a Wonderful Life. I imagine there are small-town banks that still feel the duty to have a social conscious, but from what I've seen they're more like Mr. Potter, get in, get the money any way you can, and get out. And the modern world is so skewed up that any successful, small enterprise becomes a target of the big players who can throw numbers around that would make your head spin. All of the big players are out there having their agents on the lookout for the next big thing.


It shouldn't surprise anybody that sociopaths run the world and are becoming the only game in town. It used to be that a decent guy, a smart guy, a talented guy with mild ambition, could rise through the ranks to lead some of the world's greatest institutions. I think of Dwight Eisenhower as one of those or Harry Truman. The most recent was Jimmy Carter. Undeniably a kind and decent man who had to learn repeatedly how the sociopaths play the game. To win. To win at all costs. The only limits a sociopath will voluntarily accept are limits that do more harm to the opposition than the home team


And yes, many of the people who wrestled, stole, bought, finagled, deceived the natives into being deprived of their land and livelihoods all over the globe were sociopaths. They had to be survive the trials they were put through. They had to be driven by an insane desire to make all of the world around them submit to their will. Many of our early leaders were sociopaths. Many of the greatest heroes and conquerors of all time were sociopaths driven towards personal accomplishment with no regard for the feelings of others or the hardships they caused. And this is the way of the modern world too. Only the game is now played with numbers, primarily, not iron, lead, and blood. And this is a good thing.


But as in all closed environments where amoral, unethical, unabashedly avaricious creatures continually take from their fellow creatures without any sense of shame or evidencing a guilty conscience, as resources become more and more stacked at one end of the balance, the weight of those cut off from the benefits of living in a world free of blind ambition slowly builds until the balance tips. This is history repeatedly endlessly. This is the social contract. This is karma. This is the middle path. This is where we are.


And at some point, the sociopaths, who are pragmatic in only one pursuit, winning whatever becomes the object of their fancy, survival being a vital winning the game, often choose to give up some of their winnings to be able to join the crowd crying out for blood, so they can begin the process of acquisition all over again.      


mark henry smith Added Mar 20, 2017 - 1:10pm
Birds of a feather and all that. Maybe the hatred of Jews in the world has to do with a greater tendency to produce sociopaths. Are sociopaths born or created by the forces they confront in this world? If they are created, we'd better learn how to do a better job educating our children. If they are born, the options are less appealing.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 21, 2017 - 4:07am
Crapitalism breeds and celebrates sociopathy. 
Mircea Negres Added Mar 21, 2017 - 5:24am
Certain personality types are suited for certain jobs. For example, some limp-wristed idiot of a shrink will find something wrong with a sniper who enjoys stalking enemies on the battlefield and feels gratification at putting bullets in their chests for his country while not feeling guilty about killing, but find absolutely nothing wrong with people who enjoy cutting into human beings they are trained not to care about for the purpose of operating on them, or pathologists who not only have no qualms about performing autopsies but also enjoy what they do, because that's "normal". I think almost every job out there requires some sort of perverted psychological aspects in order to be good at it, but yeah, there sure seem to be a lot of psychopaths and sociopaths in the financial field...
Mike Haluska Added Mar 21, 2017 - 10:53am
Jeffry - your statement:
"Crapitalism breeds and celebrates sociopathy"
doesn't explain all of those wonderful socialist/communist "leaders" who murdered millions of their own - not to mention millions of others - through wars, death camps, gulags, purges, re-education camps, killing fields, etc. 
But hey - keep on condemning the economic system that raised the standard of living for ordinary people to unseen heights in human history and cheering on the atrocities of psychopathic dictators!!!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 21, 2017 - 10:57am
Again Haluska with the goddamn cheerleading! 
This study reveals that U.S. military forces were directly responsible for about 10 to 15 million deaths during the Korean and Vietnam Wars and the two Iraq Wars. The Korean War also includes Chinese deaths while the Vietnam War also includes fatalities in Cambodia and Laos.
The American public probably is not aware of these numbers and knows even less about the proxy wars for which the United States is also responsible. In the latter wars there were between nine and 14 million deaths in Afghanistan, Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, East Timor, Guatemala, Indonesia, Pakistan and Sudan.
But the victims are not just from big nations or one part of the world. The remaining deaths were in smaller ones which constitute over half the total number of nations. Virtually all parts of the world have been the target of U.S. intervention.
The overall conclusion reached is that the United States most likely has been responsible since WWII for the deaths of between 20 and 30 million people in wars and conflicts scattered over the world.
Fuck you AND the duck you rode in on!
Mike Haluska Added Mar 21, 2017 - 11:09am
Jeffry - instead of just making up crap you should think about what you're saying.
Claiming that US was "responsible" for the deaths of WWII while exempting Hitler is ridiculous. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 21, 2017 - 11:29am
Claiming that US was "responsible" for the deaths of WWII while exempting Hitler is ridiculous. 
AGAIN Haluska you're pulling shit out of your ass. I never "claimed" what you accuse me of. 
The operative word is SINCE.   One supposes there in that tiny little corner of shitsville nowhere fuck all goddamn Indiana reading comprehension isn't a valued skill. 
Off you go now, mind the gap between train and platform. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Mar 22, 2017 - 1:27pm
Perhaps either we need a new word to define those with no conscience but are not antisocial. Or perhaps sociopaths just feign being social. 
Patrick Writes Added Mar 22, 2017 - 8:05pm
You need to hamstring these Wall Street bankers. They were smart in the 1930's by doing so with Glass-Steagall which shielded average folks from the stock market binges and busts. 
In 1987, Wall Street had one of its worst ever crashes but most folks shrugged and went on unaffected because their deposits weren't mixed up in it. A bunch of rich guys screwed each other over and crashed the market, so what? It didn't affect normal folks. That's how it should be, let them rip each other off. 
Now they can bring down the entire economy with a big Wall Street crash like 2008. And the taxpayers need to bail out the banks and the market. 
George N Romey Added Mar 23, 2017 - 10:10am
Moreover Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley now have FDIC protection as they have converted to a bank holding company.  Also back in 1987 few Americans were in the stock market because bank CDs paid enough money.  Now the bank gives you what about .5% so Americans have joined the stock market.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 24, 2017 - 1:34pm
To succeed in this capitalistic world, you have to be one two kinds of people.  Someone who has a great idea and you are needed to make it work, or, you're a psychopath.
mark henry smith Added Mar 24, 2017 - 3:10pm
Hey all, I'm so sorry it took me so long to respond, but I'm in the middle of moving and looking for work, and all that life brings with spring.
First, just because someone is socially skilled does not mean they are anti-socially motivated. Sociopaths know how their bread gets buttered. What separates a sociopath from a non-sociopath is what they want from society. Sociopaths want control. All behavior is geared toward gaining and keeping control. I don't think capitalism is any different in this regard than any other form of economic control. Only in capitalism the belief is that the capitalists are trying to be helpful, not just dirty. In communism it's more clear cut. Everything will be sacrificed for the state (leader). In capitalism everything will be sacrificed for profit, except Adam Smith decided the guiding hand with temper any long term desire to completely destroy the experiment.
And capitalism is an experiment that has only been around a relatively short period of time historically, but look at how quickly it's changed the world. Soon there will not be one rock in this world that is not for sale to the highest bidder. When capitalist ideology is taken to its logical outcome, the bigger the problems we make, the more motivated consumers are to have our solution. Isn't that sociopathic thinking in a nutshell? We go around the world making problems with our might and trying to fix them with our might.
We might have finally created a problem mightier than the sword, or the pen. A problem capitalism is incapable of solving and in a capitalist system problems like that are denied existence.
George N Romey Added Mar 24, 2017 - 4:27pm
Mark that is the problem, capitalism has no boundaries and therefore becomes predatory in nature.  Anything predatory and reeking of pillaging and plundering is naturally going to attract sociopaths and they will do very well in this kind of system.  Look at the sociopaths running our large corporations now.
The historical answer to the predatory and destructive potential of capitalism has been government.  However, as we have seen big government like big business becomes predatory in nature and ultimately attracts the same kind of human beings.  Therefore it should be no surprise that the politicians are shrills for the corporations. 
So how do you keep the good of capitalism and get rid of the bad? This is the question no one seems to be able to answer.  For example we know that business should be reducing work hours to obtain full employment and prepare for a future in which machines, robots, more advanced computers, and artificial intelligence will replace human might and brain.  But yet we as a society continue to desperately hold onto a 1950s style of employment even as the model is failing.  How do you get CEOs to see the bigger picture and adjust their means of employment?
mark henry smith Added Mar 28, 2017 - 3:35pm
George, I'm so sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I've been busy, but I wrote this replay yesterday and then got logged off just before I finished it, so I'll do it again.
Thank you so much for those excellent comments.
The sociopathic personality is driven by control, so it is no surprise that people who have these traits will rise to the top of institutions in which they operate. I do not think it is wrong to be ambitious, to want control, wealth, power, prestige. The problems come about when there are no limits to how these ambitions are achieved. The lack of moral guides in the behavior at the top ripples through institutions turning socially beneficial helpers into predators, as we've seen with Wells Fargo. When the bosses say do whatever you have to do to get the numbers or lose your job, it matters.
And that kind of thinking, do whatever you can get away with, is rife in our modern socio-economic environment, even as we develop more and more intricate ways of tracking behavior and seeing how people are breaking the law. The problem is when these are the people writing the laws, or rewriting them so their sociopathic attitudes become legal and the harm they cause goes un-remedied.
Our founding fathers recognized this problem of the most ruthless, unscrupulous people being the most likely to gain power, so they developed this marvelous system of checks and balances, so these types of people would hold each other at bay and keep any of them from doing unredeemable harm. And the system has worked amazingly well. But the founders never imagined capitalism. The world they lived in was largely agrarian, with small manufacturing ventures, and that meant wealth was widely disseminated. They couldn't have foreseen the concentrations of wealth and power in private hands that now exist in the world. Corporations that can travel anywhere around the globe and set up shop, corporations with cash-flows and resources that dwarf the budgets of most governments in the world.
Governments just can't compete with this level of influence because the corporations can target their particular areas of interest with trade groups, lobbyists, PACs, use their power to bully and bribe for what they want. The government can't be that focused everywhere to stop the manipulation of government. The government is expected to be everywhere, a generalist, and that's just not going to cut it against repeated, targeted attacks.
The media is supposed to be the forth estate, an independent actor working for the betterment of society by gathering news and letting the public know what is going on, but more and more the media has become a lobbying tool of private interests, only reporting one view, the view of the interests that own the property. Fox News reports not all news, but only news that supports an agenda. The New York Times isn't as clearly biased, but again has a bias. It appears they all do because in capitalist media the goal is to make profit and it has become harder and harder to do that by reporting all sides of every issue. It alienates too many. So the goal becomes to find a niche audience and appeal to it.
Do you see the parallels in our politics and media? We have niche politics and niche media, and more and more people become more and more separated from each other by the information they choose to accept as true. How can anyone with a brain accept an argument such as alternative facts? Alternative science? Creationism? Supply-side economics? But they do. Even as evidence stacks up against such idiocy. The problem is that politicians who are targeted by these powerful interests have to be given an out that they can point to and say, the reason I voted the way I did is because of this article that I saw. I don't know if it's true or not, but it created doubts in my mind about the science and this will create jobs. So the interest that want legislation favoring their industry create stories in media outlets that support their view so legislators can use them.
That's the truth. No one believes that global warming isn't happening because of our use of carbon-based fuels. The evidence is abundantly clear, but it's just not convenient for some of our most powerful corporations who sell oil, coal, automobiles, an entire way of life that if abandoned would cost them much of their power, control, wealth. They are heavily invested in keeping this going at all costs. That is classic sociopathic behavior, to deny reality, suffering, everything for the sake of personal satisfaction.
The only hope in all of this is the citizenry. We still have citizens who care about the future and are horrified by the direction we're headed. That the sociopaths have been able to create enough obfuscation to w
mark henry smith Added Mar 28, 2017 - 3:50pm
I lost the end of my comment. Where'd it go?
Oh well, it said something like this.
Enough obfuscation to win today is a good thing. Perhaps when the results of this blind ambition become evident with a less healthy, less safe, less fair environment and society the citizenry will wake up and drain the swamp. Did anyone get the environmental message of that? That swamps are bad things? Not wetlands that are some of the most productive areas in the world for the propagation of plants and animals?
Anyway, there is hope that when this current batch of miscreants get done poking holes in the fabric of life, the legal, environmental, and social goals that have been the hallmark of modern existence, the electorate will come back to its senses. If not, we're going to have a war. A fight for the future of the planet and it won't be a fight against Islamic Fundamentalism. It will be a fight against societal degradation.    
George N Romey Added Mar 30, 2017 - 6:46pm
Mark very wise words.  Corporations are the sole source that are more powerful than any other entity.  Since the days of TR big government has tried to regulate the potential and real time abuses of capitalism, usually with mixed success and always at a high dollar cost.  As I said in a post on Niume "big" by its cold and impersonal nature attracts both psychopaths and sociopaths.  Its why most successful people in business now fall into one or both of these categories. 
I believe our founding fathers feared "large" but as you said could have never fathomed the multinational corporation today.

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