The Swamp Is Alive and Well

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Trump just got his first major defeat as the repeal of replace of Obamacare failed, even with a GOP majority house and senate.  Trump will soon come to realize the swamp creatures do not want any change and they just want to lay on a rock and sun themselves all day, moving only to feed themselves. Trump has been schooled on the fact that Washington is nothing like the C level suites.  Politicians can do nothing and still hold onto their jobs.

 

Like Obama, Trump will soon be faced with the reality of what Washington is all about, improving the lives of the far upper class like insurance company CEOs.  If a major bank needs a bailout everyone goes to work.  Reducing soaring insurance premiums and copays for Americans?  Please don't bother.

 

Trump's other initiatives-reducing taxes, cutting regulation, infrastructure and jobs are all now in a precarious position.  I have to wonder how the stock market will react on Monday and even more so when reducing taxes, chopping of regulations, increasing military spending and infrastructure all look in doubt.  The market is very overvalued and was bid up on speculation of the wonders of Trump's economic plans.

 

I'll guess we will see just how good a negotiator Trump is.  Will he be back next week willing to broker a deal?  If not, the economic implosion might well begin. 

 

 

Comments

Ric Wells Added Mar 24, 2017 - 6:00pm
Great read George.
Bill H. Added Mar 24, 2017 - 6:03pm
 
I don't think the best way to sell a "healthcare plan" is to threaten that those who don't vote for it must be pro-abortion.
That's like saying that those who buy a foreign car are anti-American.
 
Billy Roper Added Mar 24, 2017 - 6:22pm
He lost by a dozen votes, mostly because the conservative wing of the GOP didn't want to replace one big government socialist program with another. And, of course, baby murderers like Bill H.
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 24, 2017 - 6:56pm
George, Ryan worked with his predecessor Boehner that used democrats to get bills passed.  The people that did not vote for RINOCARE did not vote with Boehner.  The house has the power of the purse that Boehner and Ryan never used thus paying for all of Obama's programs.  So the outcome of today's vote was expected.
Ryan did not get the conservative involved in writing the bill because they knew that those lobbyist that filled their coffers would not be happy.  And Democrats did not want their fingerprint of the bill if it passed since the death spiral was steeper then ObamaCare's death spiral.  They wanted the millstone around the GOP's neck.  They lost over 900 legislative seats around the country due to the millstone of ObamaCare on the Democrat's neck in 6 years.  
There were over 250 show votes to repeal ObamaCare and every GOP candidate ran on repealing ObamaCare.   The operative word is "show."  And now the conservatives are saying time to keep your word.  The voters which number about 56% want real reform.  Deliver.
 
So we shall see if Trump really knows the art of the deal.  If he is as good as he says he is.  If he is we shall see a pivot very quickly because he anticipated and know that Ryan was presenting the RINO/Lobbyist solution.  Yes, he may have preferred it but read the market correctly and planned to win.
 
Ric Wells Added Mar 24, 2017 - 7:43pm
George and Thomas is it also possible this happened because of the reported bullying tactics the executive branch tried to play on the legislative branch. Congress people do not like to be given ultimatums whether real or implied. Just asking because thus is not a boardroom this is the government.
Jeff Jackson Added Mar 24, 2017 - 8:01pm
What bothers me is that Trump wants to move on instead of taking this on and winning. No health care bill is going to satisfy everyone. He needs to knuckle down and do what LBJ did when legislation was blocked. If you got invited to lunch at LBJ's White House, you walked out of there supporting LBJ's legislation. LBJ was very persuasive, and knew how to fight bare-knuckled and dirty when he had to. I don't know if Trump has the political acumen that LBJ had when things got tight and had to get done. I won't say he desperately needs this victory as much as the Republican in general need this victory. They aren't looking good striking out during the first inning of this legislative season.
Cliff M. Added Mar 24, 2017 - 8:01pm
Thomas," The Rino/Lobbyist solution "  , very good . I like that definition.
Leroy Added Mar 24, 2017 - 8:14pm
The Republicans are their own worst enemy.
 
But, I will be happy to see Rinocare fail.  
 
You know the "We have to pass it to know what's in it" nonsense.  Well, if it were me, I would get rid of all the stuff that we don't know what's in it and reduce Obamacare to about 20 pages of what we do know.  Cut out all the onerous stuff like paying a penalty if we don't buy insurance and maternity care for men.   Then, repeal Obamacare.  After that, then have a nice long, bipartisan debate on how the fix the healthcare system.  If it were me, I would send it all back to the states, but that is not going to happen.
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 24, 2017 - 8:52pm
Ric, if Trump bullying worked the bill would have passed, but the conservatives lived under the speaker John Boehner and Paul Ryan. They lost committee seats and felt the revenge of Boehner. You see they had years of promises they intended to respect.
Jeff, The Declaration of Independence states clearly, "deriving their just powers from theconsent of the governed." That is the reason for legislative order, the open discussion of a bill with the public involved and sufficient time for comment. Ryan following Obama and Bush did not do this. But the public spoke in the little time they had. Jeff, 56% of the people said no to AHCA of Ryan and 12% of the people said yes.
Leroy, the Republicans like the Democrats have at least two wings. The wing in control of the GOP has the money but not the votes. Money has kept them in power. You are correct that the leaders of the GOP like Ryan and the people that Trump put in his administration are all from this wing. So the advice he recieve is what we saw. They are the parties worst enemy.
Ric Wells Added Mar 24, 2017 - 8:54pm
Thanks Thomas. Appreciate it.
Bill H. Added Mar 24, 2017 - 10:09pm
 
What makes Billy Roper think I am a medical doctor?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 2:08am
Those congresscritters don't even bother with the patina of doing the people's work anymore. 
 
Guillotines may be the only rational answer.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 25, 2017 - 6:32am
There are lots of reasons why Mr. Trump became president.  Not because he's smart or that he is going to do things right, but, because things are going to happen because he is president.  
Bill Kamps Added Mar 25, 2017 - 6:36am
Jeff, Trump couldn't be more different than LBJ, in fact no one is like LBJ.  LBJ had dirt on everyone, so if they didnt do what he wanted, they were in big trouble ( see JFK ).  That was also the day when party  alliances mattered and the party could control the members.  Trump cant control the GOP members, he is barely a member himself.  LBJ got a lot of legislation passed because he came from Congress and knew how to work the system.  He knew it so well, he was able to steal tens of millions of dollars while in office.
 
What we have seen is just  how far Trump is from being a dictator, and how different being President is from being a CEO.  When you are a CEO you can tell people what to do, Presidents can only persuade, something Trump has never had to do and maybe cant do.
 
They call the President "the most powerful man in the world", which is a bunch of media nonsense.  Our President is intentionally a very weak office.  He cant submit legislation, and he cant even vote on the legislation.  He can submit executive orders,  but only within a fairly narrow range.
 
This effort at health care was a mess.  No one really knew what Trump wanted, policy seemed to change every day.  He failed to realize that the various pieces of the policy had voter blocks, and in order to pass the bill, he needed to appeal to enough blocks to gain the majority.  It was if he thought the votes in Congress, didnt matter.
 
Like all recent Presidents, Im sure he will be able to spin the facts so that he can say he is doing a fabulous job.  However, unless he figures out how to get policy passed into law, he is going to be pretty ineffectual, which is my current prediction. 
 
Im not holding my breath on your revolution George, you may need to start it yourself, otherwise you may have a long wait. 
 
 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Mar 25, 2017 - 6:42am
George, I liked your article because it was well written, but I disagree with you.  I think the decision made by Congress was the right decision.   They need to go back to the drawing board and start over, and they will.  Lets not rush a bill through like they did with Obama Care.  Lets get it right this time, and I believe they will, it will just take a little longer.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 7:18am
The withdrawn bill had lot's of anti-gun and gun control provisions. Dodged a bullet there. 
Bill Kamps Added Mar 25, 2017 - 8:09am
Jeffry, Im not saying the bill should have been passed, to be honest, I dont know enough about it.  However, I know enough about Congress to know most bills are laden with unrelated garbage.  Another White House problem, if they cant keep undesirable amendments out of their bills.
 
I was more looking at how Trump approached this.  His style makes it very difficult to get his agenda passed in Congress.  He is not consistent on policy, which makes it very difficult to hold any coalition of votes together.  Even assuming Congress was doing a responsible job, the members did not believe Trump would protect their interests in the bill.  This does not bode well for future bills.
 
The bill had a mix of things from the left and right.  This is consistent with Trump's view of the world.  However, it is not consistent with getting things done in Congress.  It means he has not strong base of votes that he can count on.
 
It is also troubling that in the end Trump tired of the process, and "was ready to move on" to tax reform.  Again, not how things get done in Congress.  He said Shumer and Pelosi will have to live with Obamacare, not right, WE will have to live with Obamacare.
Lee Webster Added Mar 25, 2017 - 8:21am
It was annoying to have a TV show interrupted to report that Paul Ryan & his brain trust can't write legislation, and doesn't' know how to count votes while writing them.  Politics has become a Seinfeld episode except that it all has real life effects on our way of life.
Jeff Jackson Added Mar 25, 2017 - 8:38am
Thomas, there were people who rioted- yes, rioted against the Union going into the Civil War, but it happened anyway. Lincoln imprisoned over 1,000 people who dissented against him during the Civil War. The Declaration of Independence is just that, a declaration, not a legally binding document, such as the Constitution. The will of the people is not always the guiding force behind legislation. Many people in the south did not want integration, but it happened anyway, by legislation.
If you considered all of the legislation that is passed "without the consent of the governed," your jaw would drop. The governed leave it to the legislators to represent our best interests, and they don't even do that, because they are too bust representing the interests of their campaign donors. Please do not insist that all legislation must be read by the citizens, it isn't ever going to happen.
Dino Manalis Added Mar 25, 2017 - 8:47am
Business tax cuts should be prioritized to improve economic conditions.  Health care is complex and Republicans rushed, they need to deliver in pieces starting with measures to lower expenses, like import foreign medicine; cap medical malpractice compensation; and streamline insurance bureaucracy and paperwork.
Bill Kamps Added Mar 25, 2017 - 8:59am
Legislation is not even read by the Congress people.  They get a summary from their aides, on the hot buttons they care about. 
 
Unfortunately Trump has not yet realized that putting together a majority in Congress for any legislation requires a bill that appeals to enough voting blocks.  The White House cant create anything he wants, and then expect it to magically get passed. 
Lee Webster Added Mar 25, 2017 - 8:59am
Jeff, true there is history of violent struggles that resulted in changes. We have had a civil war, and mini civil wars that I would say are the riots that spring up.
 
Now that nothing has changed, does that mean the financial markets are going to react to punish the middle class again?
George N Romey Added Mar 25, 2017 - 9:04am
MPP I'm not agreeing with Trump's proposal.  Personally I think that national healthcare is the only answer.  However, Trump claimed to be this great negotiator that can get things done and on his first time out he failed.  He right now is looking no better than get nothing done Obama.  If this is a foreshadow to the next three years it won't be pretty. 
 
Bill, if we have an economic meltdown, likely now that the brain dead on Wall Street realize that Trump is not going to be their messiah the fallout will make 2008 look like a picnic.  Massive, and I mean massive unemployment, business failure, currency collapse, etc. and Americans might finally get off their asses.
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 25, 2017 - 9:24am
Summed up very well and so true George. It just shows how fractured that all parties are in the US. Obama could not do what needed to be done, and now neither can Trump. (although I also do not think his plan is very well thought out) 
Even with a party majority, does this imply that nothing will get done on any major issue? 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 9:27am
Even with a party majority, does this imply that nothing will get done on any major issue? 
 
Gee, ya think?
 
What gave it away?
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 25, 2017 - 9:42am
That is a sad situation Jeff. Surely other things outside of the no win Healthcare system debate, would be more cohesive for the Republicans? 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 10:36am
It doesn't fucking matter! Its ALL bullshit. 
 
Grab a comfortable chair, an adult beverage of choice and your favorite squeeze kick back and watch the show!
 
The whole damn thing is coming down. Its all bullshit! Its unsustainable. Life as you know it has ended, from here on out its going to get uglier and nastier to a degree that you're incapable of comprehending much less have the skills to live in. 
 
Enjoy!
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 25, 2017 - 10:44am
Well Jeffry I do like your attitude of settling back and trying not to get too emotionally caught up in the show. 
George N Romey Added Mar 25, 2017 - 10:59am
The far right of the GOP is against Trump as well as all Democrats.  Trump has very little political capital-look at his approval rating.  These two groups will make Trump a failed one term President.  In fact, I think the far right wants Trump out before then so that they can install their real choice-Mike Pence.  Trump is out of his league.  He doesn't have the political moxie that FDR or JFK did.
Ric Wells Added Mar 25, 2017 - 11:12am
A government that was supposed to be formed under the guise of Care Cooperation and Compromise has evolved into one of Corruption  Controlled media and Corporate contributions. End result Catastrophic Calamity. 
Bill H. Added Mar 25, 2017 - 11:15am
Jeffrey - where did you hear that the bill contained anti-gun provisions?
I searched the entire document and could find no mention of firearms, guns, or weapons of any sort.
Bill Kamps Added Mar 25, 2017 - 11:15am
George, the stock market may  correct as it does every few years, that doesnt mean it is 2008, or 1932.  The recession in 2008 was caused by banks failing because of being overextended in real estate.  Whether we like the banks or not, they matter because they provide the liquidity.  So until we see the banks freeze up, as they did in 2008, there really is nothing terrible going on.  Of course one can always describe a set of circumstances that will lead to a meltdown, but that doesnt mean those circumstances are likely. 
 
Trump being ineffective does not cause a meltdown.  We aren't going to have 3% growth, but the stock  market isnt going to lose 50% of its value either.  The stock market going down last time didnt cause the recession, it was a symptom of the recession caused by the real estate market.
 
Your revolution is always possible, because nothing ever has a probability of zero, but it is not the most likely scenario.  It is more likely that an alien invasion but less likely than muddling along.
 
Trump is ineffective because he is used to being CEO, and people doing what he said, because he said it.  He has two problems right now, he hasnt even tried to persuade people to follow his policy, and he cant describe and stick to a policy that pulls together a majority in Congress. 
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 25, 2017 - 11:22am
George, who would you rather see as POTUS, Trump, Pence, or Bernie? 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 11:43am
where did you hear that the bill contained anti-gun provisions
 



Gun Owners of America (GOA) is warning that House Speaker Paul Ryan’s Obamacare 2.o still contains measures that will allow doctors, insurance companies, and the ATF to use medical records to further a gun control agenda.

The first thing GOA points out is that Ryan’s bill “needs to be amended to prohibit the ATF from trolling the national health database, or Medicaid, or any new entitlement program for persons with PTSD, Alzheimer’s, ADHD, or merely ‘anxiety.’” GOA says the recently repealed Social Security gun ban allowed such trolling, which opened the door to the ATF growing the list of the persons prohibited from gun ownership based on otherwise private information gathered from health records.
 
Fuckin' F-Troop. Again. 


 
George N Romey Added Mar 25, 2017 - 11:55am
Stephen I'd say Sanders.  I'm not sure of how much he would get through but he does understand the political system.  I also think he would have much more widespread support among the people, which can be a powerful thing. In fact, its probably the only mitigating force to the influence of the rich and powerful.
 
Bill, lets examine the global financial system.  Stocks were overvalued before Trump in the sense they are not related to true price discovery.  Like 1927-29 stocks are based upon a hype in one sense.  In the modern sense its about automated trading platforms that look for and capitalize on small differences.  The bulk of trading is no longer part of being long term value, its about making the short buck today.  Remember back in 2008 it was the "shorts" that began the destruction of the financial firms.
 
Second, too many nations are financial basket cases. Greece, Italy, Brazil, Portugal, Argentina are in far worse shape than the US.  Unlike the US they can't digitize trillions as they have no military enforcing their currency as the world's reserve currency.
 
Third, real economic activity in the US (which is doing better than Europe) sucks.  GDP is expected below 1% and real unemployment is still at deep recession levels.  That doesn't even begin to touch underemployment.  Half of Americans have less than $400 in savings. A little over half of Americans make less than $30K a year (no surprise that half has no cash reserve in the bank).
 
I've been over this time after time.  What makes you think our economy is not headed for a big correction.  Unlike the 1970s or early 1980s everything now is interconnected, loaded with leverage, and built upon financial gimmicks and wizardry.  What that means is that trouble in one sector of the economy that can't be papered over by central banks starts a massive economic wildfire.
 
You are very INCORRECT about the 2008 meltdown, as many others.  It wasn't the crap mortgages that took down the system. It was the massive amount of side betting, lying and illusion that killed the market.  Suddenly a triple AAA credit rating meant nothing because it was no longer reliable.  There was layer among layer of derivatives, which by the way the Federal Reserve made whole through the magic of money printing.
 
When the market crashes next time will politicians and the Federal Reserve simply digitize hundreds of trillions to save the system? 
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 11:59am
What makes you think our economy is not headed for a big correction.
 
Exceptionalism. 
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 25, 2017 - 1:18pm
George I agree if one could wave a magic wand it would be Sanders. Perhaps it is time to come up with a multi party system of government in the U.S. and even Canada and other countries.  e.g. 4 major parties; Bernie, center lefties, center righties, and the Tea party. 
Mike Haluska Added Mar 25, 2017 - 1:20pm
Trump underestimated the number of Republican "RINO" alligators in the swamp - especially the most prominent one "Paul Ryan".  That's OK - Trump forced them out into the open and exposed their concern for insurance companies over Americans.  I always thought that Obamacare should be allowed to collapse so that Americans know EXACTLY who owned Obamacare and who was trying to get rid of it. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 1:23pm
Perhaps it is time to come up with a multi party system of government in the U.S. 
 
The bow is way down, the propellers are out of the water and the USS DUHmerica has a 30 degree list to starboard and you're rearranging deck chairs?
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 25, 2017 - 1:53pm
What should we do then Jeffry? Barricade the windows, stock up on supplies and worry ourselves into an early grave? 
George N Romey Added Mar 25, 2017 - 1:57pm
Stephen only a major economic disaster will change the system.  Its too far gone and too many Americans still think just the right "R" or "D" will solve the problem.  Just look at the Clintonbots.
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 25, 2017 - 2:13pm
George, perhaps that is what it will take. 
George N Romey Added Mar 25, 2017 - 2:19pm
Look at the vagina heads marching against Trump led by people like Madonna looking for PR and promotion since her hit songs are nowfar and few.  Do they have any actual policy answers?  Of course not.  They think that just by putting on their vagina caps the world will suddenly be much better.  What morons.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 2:37pm
What should we do then Jeffry? Barricade the windows, stock up on supplies and worry ourselves into an early grave? 
 
WTF? Your standard deflecting reply is even more absurd in this case after you agreed above with my suggestion to:
 
"Grab a comfortable chair, an adult beverage of choice and your favorite squeeze kick back and watch the show!" 
 
to which YOU replied:
 
"Well Jeffry I do like your attitude of settling back and trying not to get too emotionally caught up in the show."
 
Early onset Alzheimers? Hmmm?
Cliff M. Added Mar 25, 2017 - 2:48pm
Stephen,  I think Trump pulled the plug because he realized the plan was going nowhere. He is gathering his troops now for his next assault and a much better idea now of what he's dealing with. It looks like we will just have to wait and see how each one of his endeavors work out. Would not count him out.
Cliff M. Added Mar 25, 2017 - 2:49pm
George,
Stephen Hunter Added Mar 25, 2017 - 2:55pm
well that could be Jeffry- guess you got me because I do not agree that the plane is about to crash but rather we have a bit of time to postulate solutions from my "comfortable chair" and without emotion- cause if the plane is going to crash next year, I still got some time. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 3:00pm


I still got some time. 
 
You only think you do because you mistakenly believe that DUHmerica is somehow immune - exceptional - so damn much better. 
 
It isn't. 


 
Cliff M. Added Mar 25, 2017 - 3:02pm
I like Bernie , If Trump gets the boot we have a right wing conservative in the mix.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 25, 2017 - 3:07pm
Vagina heads. I laugh very hard every time I hear that imagining what my granddad would quip about it. 
Bill H. Added Mar 25, 2017 - 3:24pm
Being that Trump's healthcare plan is "on hold", I suspect he is going to get his buddies in the health insurance industry to begin a terror campaign with rate increases, coverage cutbacks, and the addition of new maximum coverage limits that in his mind will cause people to start begging for a new plan.
This is "the art of the deal".
Lee Webster Added Mar 25, 2017 - 3:36pm
It is a huge signal that campaign promises are easier said than done!  The markets were hopeful of several changes, but maybe that thinking will start to reverse.
 
Trump is attempting to manage a mutiny.  Talk about Bernie Sanders causes me to think he would have the same mutiny issues.
George N Romey Added Mar 25, 2017 - 5:31pm
By the way the US is butting up against its debt limit of $20 trillion and by early summer will need to raise the limit as Treasury will have gone through most of its cash reserves.  What a show that will turn out to be.
Cliff M. Added Mar 25, 2017 - 6:29pm
I wonder what spending cuts the conservatives are going to use to barter the debt ceiling raise.
George N Romey Added Mar 25, 2017 - 6:37pm
Cliff the real fight will be Dems fighting over tax breaks when the government needs to increase its borrowing capacity to cover endless deficit spending. Its going to be one nasty showdown and one I don't think Trump will be ready for.
Cliff M. Added Mar 25, 2017 - 7:53pm
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Cliff M. Added Mar 25, 2017 - 7:58pm
George, Excuse the previous comment errors. I am totally scattered today. The tax proposal should be interesting. Another one sided sordid affair doesn't stand a chance. The conservatives will attempt to play a large role again. How he decides to maneuver around them will be key. They could gum up the works on both taxes and infrastructure.
Bill Kamps Added Mar 26, 2017 - 5:35am
It wasn't the crap mortgages that took down the system. It was the massive amount of side betting, lying and illusion that killed the market.  Suddenly a triple AAA credit rating meant nothing because it was no longer reliable.  There was layer among layer of derivatives, which by the way the Federal Reserve made whole through the magic of money printing.
 
Gee sorry George I didnt go into detail.  Yes, I agree. The derivatives were layered on the real estate mortgages, so I just said real estate as short hand.  Of course if they hadnt sliced and diced the mortgages, and then given the instruments a AAA rating, the recession would not have been so bad.
 
Since you are so good at seeing when a collapse is coming, I presume you made millions on the last collapse ? No ? that is the problems with collapses, they are very difficult to predict.  Even if you got in a little late, you could have made millions, still no ? then you are human just like the rest of us.
 
This isnt to say that everything you say about the state of the economy isnt true, its just that trying to predict a meltdown is like trying to predict when and where the next hurricane will appear. What will trigger that chain of reaction that puts it in motion, we never really know.  Generally people are incorrect.  So while you say it will happen now, the odds are in my favor ( because collapses are rare) that its not now.  I didnt say never, just not now.
 
Generally these kinds of things dont repeat themselves within a short time frame.  Its kind of like people have been predicting the next huge spike in the gold market since 1980.  It was a once in a lifetime event.  The more people that are predicting a major economic event  ( it doesnt take many ), the less likely it is to happen.  Markets do the unpredictable, because they like to act contrary to what we expect.
 
 
Bill Kamps Added Mar 26, 2017 - 5:43am
I do agree that Trump is in some trouble.  He hasn't figured out how to get what he wants from Congress. Yes his Supreme Court Justice probably will be confirmed, but that should be a layup, and probably will be more difficult than that.  But legislation to move his agenda, very difficult. 
 
Trump's biggest problem is what has been on display all during the campaign.  His constantly changing positions on things undermine the Congress people trying to advance his agenda.  He has no governing majority in Congress because he hasnt really aligned himself with any particular group.  You cant treat policy like a Chinese menu, taking one policy plank from one group, and another from another group.  What you wind up with, is just what he did with health care, a bill too many people find serious problems with.
 
While none  of us like our current political parties, the idea of a political party has advantages when it comes to governing.  If you go along with the general party position on various policies, then you gain the support of most of the members of that party.  If however, you take a buffet of policy positions that cut across not only the parties, but the subdivisions within the party, you wind up with someone that cant be passed.
 
If he gives up on health care, his base is going to be unhappy.  If he continues to fail when he attempts legislation, he is going to look weak and foolish, something he hates.  So we shall see how this plays out. 
Patrick Writes Added Mar 26, 2017 - 7:57am
Trump will be okay so long as he actually knows how to cut deals instead of bloviate. 
 
Rand Paul and other Senators said that bill would have been dead on arrival in the Senate anyway. Rand was a physician. His father was as well. He seems to understand this stuff better than Trump and many House Republicans who compare this to auto insurance (sure, just write off your body and get a new one like we do with old or damaged cars). 
 
From what I've read, Rand's general opinions on the TrumpCare bill were right. They just need to go back to the drawing board and forget this nonsense about 3 phases, sure that always works. Do it in one go or don't do it. 
 
How about that second phase of the border fence in tback he 80's when phase 1 of legalizing all the illegals completed? Oh yeah, that phase 2 never happened. 
George N Romey Added Mar 26, 2017 - 9:41am
Patrick is correct effective government is about building coalitions, not a CEO figure barking agendas and orders for subordinates to carry through. Its also about getting the majority of Americans on your side, certainly much harder to do than even 20 years ago.  Nothing scares a Congressman or Senator more than threat of being voted out.  Its the only thing that tops their allegiance to their big money donors. 
 
Building coalitions also means getting others from the other side on your side.  A GOP control of both houses gives Trump an advantage in the fact that he only needs to avoid a filibuster Senate.
 
Trump can recover but he is going to need to totally change his track of tweet storms and repeating everything he reads, which may or may not be true.   However, I don't think he sees it this way, at least not yet.  Most great Presidents had early disasters and learned from those mistakes.   Bill Clinton which got more done than Bush and Obama combined learned this mid way through his first term (like with Hillary care) and began to work with Republicans.
Cliff M. Added Mar 26, 2017 - 11:54am
Dept ceiling/ tax cuts is a tough equation. Raising the debt ceiling enough is going to be the key.The congress is going to struggle on the tax cut/spending cut front.
wsucram15 Added Mar 26, 2017 - 1:02pm
George is right on this one..numbers matter in DC.  As much as it pains you on here..the numbers are against Trump. Only his most loyal base supports him and even some of them had a hard time with the new healthcare.  People in WV, SC, NC, FL even KY protested against Legislators on this one.  I was told there were large protests in every state, including Washington DC.
The phones in Washington, DC were so bogged down it took hours to get through and Mitch McConnell took his page down for about a week. His messages were full and no one answered the phone.  He had a town hall meeting, it did not go well.  But I had some communications with Paul Ryan's office.  I kinda like him..but I think he will be the tragedy in the Trump era with the Freedom Caucus.  Just like Boehner, who was far more aggressive.
The moderates did not support the healthcare bill either, some may have voted to push it through for modifications, but in the end it was not put up for a vote because people were watching.  Had it failed, those who voted for it would have publicly suffered.  Trump does not have the numbers to carry their support through the 2018 election cycle.
I believe the plan is to push tax cuts that will further cripple the PPACA in the new budget plan.  But it will be done only by Republicans and I assure you people will know about it as they lose their healthcare.   
My question is, how can any Republican vote for healthcare or budget reform while spending money on military weapons (which is not where the new war is), we already have the largest military in the world. Plus we are spending an outrageous sum of money on Trump family travels and security. The secret service just had to ask for a 60m increase in their budget.  Not counting the expense of the trips charged, like the recent ski trip to Aspen by Ivanka..at 12K or her brothers who travel all over the world promoting the Trump business at tax payer expense. How about a first lady who lives in NYC and the security for that is 26.5 m a year? There needs to be a cap on these expenditures.  It just seems like what other oligarchs do to their citizens.  Trump is going to have a hard way to go..Im telling you, people that matter are watching and the Republicans will not support him if he cannot push their agenda, he is a populist.  Watch for the shift...
He is going to try to try to unite both democrats and republicans, I dont think he has the capacity to do so... but I wish him well.
Also Bill Kamps is right..the AAA rating being worthless is what did in the mortgage industry which was an effect of the policies of Clinton and then Bush.  I still dont think the industry is recovered.
 
George N Romey Added Mar 26, 2017 - 1:33pm
Jeanne as usual Washington DC on both sides is out of touch with what most Americans want, not the relatively few on the extremes.  Most Americans want money spent at home, not endless wars.  Most Americans want policies to return and restore the Middle Class.  Most Americans want decent health insurance.  Most Americans want sanity to government spending.  Most Americans know entitlements need to be reformed but want and need a job until they retire at age 68, 70 or whatever the new age needs to be.  Washington DC sees none of this nor cares because it has no interest to their big money donors and friends.
 
This is why the outrage at town halls and jammed phone banks.  Clearly Washington, the press and elites did not get what the 2016 election was about.  For them life has never been better.  Screw the people in the middle now trying to survive on a $15 an hour job.  Let them eat dog food.
 
Trump walks a dangerous line and already many like Max Keiser have turned on him.  His political capital is running very, very short.
Micahel Dolan Added Mar 26, 2017 - 2:52pm
Trump is the outsider who got elected president. Similar to another outsider who became president, Ronald W. Reagan. Reagan was despised by the establishment politicians who wanted no part of him.
Reagan refused to give up he fought everyday as the day he said; I will not give up this microphone I paid for it. RR, was a new face in town and change was a coming.
The life long corrupt establishment politicians wanted to save their wonderful moneymaking daily catch. RR,won and America was very grateful for his leadership.President Trump must continue doing what he is doing talk to the people and just keep pushing against the establishment louses.
Trump will never quit fighting-RR never quit fighting.
George N Romey Added Mar 26, 2017 - 2:57pm
RR whether you agree with him or not had the "political chops" to operate in the system. So far Trump has not.  Do you think RR would have accused Carter of phone tapping him if he did not have the goods on him?  Now given how I feel about the Deep State Trump might be very correct about Obama but he has looked like an amateur fool because he either had no real proof or man not enough to be willing to put it up, regardless of threats from the Deep State.
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 26, 2017 - 3:07pm
This AHCA process shows what people do not want and why Congress approval rating in close to the single digits.  Ryan as all good progressives both Republican and Democrats have been in charge of congress since the 1890's.  They have gotten bolder and bolder over time.  Obama's congresses have ended the budget process and replaced it with omnibus spending bills.  The few presidents before Obama and Obama's congresses have ended "regular order" the process of having public hearings on bills which take months for a bill to reach the floor and get input from most interested groups.   Ryan sat down with a small group of politicians and I am sure hobbyist to write the AHCA bill.  They only invited people with similar views.  Representatives that opposed it first saw the bill when he announced in on TV.  And we have not had ONE public hearing.  
 
This George is the swamp that must be drained.   Speaker John Boehner had to depend on Democrat votes to pass bills since both Boehner and Ryan leave the Conservative representatives out of the process and block them from working in important committees.  The people that spoke up for the Ryan bill are all progressives that worked with Boehner and payed for Obama Care.  What did anyone expect, RINOCARE [replace in name only] (AHCA) was going to be OBAMACARE LITE (ACA lite). 
 
Trump's cabinet are full of RINO Republicans.  Why would the alligators drain the swamp?  We shall see if Trump realizes that both this team of RINO's and the Democrats all are against real change that he promised the voters.  As a businessman he is know for eliminating employees that are not loyal.  Will see if he applies that same principle to his administration.  He is know for using the courts to fight opponents.  We shall see if our new attorney general starts going after the corruption and scandals created by the Obama administration.   Note that Democrats are not squeamish about going after Republicans. 
George N Romey Added Mar 26, 2017 - 3:15pm
Thomas again being President is not being CEO.  Presidents that get things done build coalitions and find ways to negotiate with the other side.  RR did it as so did Clinton.  Obama didn't and he was a failure.  Clinton learned the hard way in 1993 and 1994 (remember his healthcare debacle) and changed course.  So will Trump be able to pivot to being a team builder?  Also, the President needs to get more than 35% of the American people on his side, much harder now than even in the 1990s.  Nothing scares a Congressman or Senator more than the thought of being voted out of office.
 
So will Trump learn for this disaster?  I guess we will soon find out.
 
So far he is another Obama letting the gruesome details to be worked out by the grunts.  That doesn't work.
wsucram15 Added Mar 26, 2017 - 5:29pm
George..I have been to some of those town halls and in the protests. I know what at least some of them are about.  Trump has staunch supporters but even some of them are beginning to question him now.
I agree people want to be able to live, in some areas..but the issues are more complicated than financial.    They are tired of watching people die and no jobs or barely there healthcare.  They have gotten the  (i mean this literally)  whiff that the people they elect dont give a damn about them.  I mean they blame one side or the other, but now they are getting the hang that its all of them and one guy with no real moral center isnt going to change things with the legislative branch. Because Politics is complicated and dirty.
Somebody with money woke up to putting power in legislative branch awhile ago. Ive been fighting this now for going on 4 years. Its where the battle is fought because most of the power is there.
A smart President sidesteps Congress, especially the prior 4 Congresses, because of the complete obstruction by one side, but at times both.
The system of checks and balances only works "for the people" when its in the best interest of members for it to do so...  your theory that Congress are grunts is incorrect.  If they dont cooperate..nothing gets done. I thought you would have seen that this week.  Just watch Cspan, yeah its boring..but OMG, bills have passed through Congress that I bet no one on here has a clue about.   All stuff taking things away...
Obama did quite a bit with the occasional help of Boehner (which cost him his position) to get things pushed through, which was actually not bad with the Congresses he dealt with on legislative approvals at an average @ 2%.  Least productive Congresses in history. But I did not agree with everything he did, nor how he did it, but he did move major legislation and got us out of a recession. More could have been done and he was willing to help more, Congress (republicans) shut that down. I was there for that when it happened.  Now its gone beyond Dems and Republicans, each has factions now.  
What is killing him is inexperience in many areas and the fact he is letting others run the White House, including probably the 2 most dangerous people to him as President. This affects him because he has no control and low numbers. This gives him NO leverage with Congressional or Senate members although historically no member of Congress wants to hurt the first 100 days.  He needs to get off his soapbox of blame and unify Congress.  If and only IF he can do this on things like the budget and healthcare..can he save the Presidency. He was sold a bill of goods that working on the party line will get things done and in some cases it might, but I doubt that now also.  EVEN Republicans get elected.  He needs to become a President and not a CEO. 
George N Romey Added Mar 26, 2017 - 6:16pm
Jeanne Congress are grunts for the plutocrats which have been having a great life and why would they want change?  As I have said before prior to 1980 the US was in a tug of war PR match with the USSR with respect to best standard of living. Having a vibrant middle class was key to winning the PR war.  Business and plutocrats had no choice but to allow for a strong middle class albeit some people were excluded (mainly African Americans).  The fall of the USSR changed the dynamic. RR was their savior, he started the rise of the corporate and financial state.  Americans were too busy watching Dallas and Dynasty at the time to realize the long term and full implications.  Today in 2017 we live with them. 
 
Most Presidents are disasters in their first endeavors. Some learn how to play the game, some don't.  Will Trump? I wouldn't bet money on it.

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