Prominent Mexicans are calling for Mexico to take back the southwestern US

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by Kavitha Surana


From Business Insider


“…They are making the case that Mexico should return to its 1848 boundaries, before the United States snatched large chunks of their territory, including most of California, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona, during the Mexican-American war.


CuauhtémocCárdenas, a respected left-wing politician and former presidential candidate, is leading the charge. He has been calling for the Mexican government to bring a lawsuit against the United States in theInternational Court of Justice, for reparations and indemnification.


“We are going to make a strong and tough case, because we are right. They were in Mexican territory in a military invasion,”Guillermo Hamdan Castro, a lawyer working with Cárdenas on the case, told reporters in March.


The gambit hinges on a line in the first sentence of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the document that sealed America’s victory over Mexico on Feb. 2, 1848 at the end of the Mexican-American war. The sentence includes an admission the U.S. army invaded Mexico, and Hamdan argues that signing an agreement under such duress renders it null, and therefore Mexican immigrants can’t be expelled…


But there are worries the suit could exacerbate already resurgent Mexican nationalism, endangering two decades of relative stability between the two nations. “I have concerns that this type of a case could really stoke a nationalistic defensive response from both sides of the border,” Christopher Wilson, a Mexico expert at the Wilson Center, warned.


The very act of pointing out American hypocrisy on the border may become a rallying cry that could shake up politics in Mexico, a country that has recently been feeling denigrated and excluded by its powerful neighbor and supposed ally.Hamdan has even started a website and campaign called “ Demand What’s Ours.


The proposal indicates just how much Trump’s new tone has “managed to alienate” Mexicans,Vanda Felbab-Brown, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution,said. She said pressure was building in Mexico to adopt a confrontational attitude to the U.S.


Anti-Americanism has always been a powerful undercurrent in Mexican society. Not only did the United States invade and seize nearly half its territory in the 1800s, but ever since then Mexico has chafed under American intrusions and perceived disrespect for Mexican sovereignty. Cárdenas’s own father, former PresidentLázaro Cárdenas, was an expert in exploiting distrust of U.S. meddling. In the 1930s he argued that Mexicans needed to protect their natural resources from foreign control and expropriated the oil industry, pushing out foreign investors…”


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Ian Thorpe Added Apr 13, 2017 - 10:33am
I know one Texan who argues that Mexico's territorial claims in the south west should be granted, the north eastern states should be given to Canada and what remains should continue as The United States of Texas. I don't think she's entirely serious but it's an interesting idea.
Dino Manalis Added Apr 13, 2017 - 11:45am
That's wishful thinking and another blow to U.S.-Mexico relations.  Both of us have to respect each other and try to make NAFTA better for both trade partners and rename it the Free Trade Agreement of the Americas throughout the Western Hemisphere.  We should do everything we can to expand trade and economic development across the hemisphere, while cracking down on narcotics.
Leroy Added Apr 13, 2017 - 1:59pm
How was Mexico formed?  Conquest.  How was the US formed?  Conquest.  It was the way of the world at that time.  Get over it already.
EXPAT Added Apr 13, 2017 - 6:46pm
Excellent piece Billy. With one main exception; It is not "Anti-Americanism has always been a powerful undercurrent in Mexican society. "
It is Pro-Mexican pride. When someone makes false anti-American comments, I am compelled to take a more pro-American stance.
When someone says "I will build a wall, and make Mexico pay for it."  As if they are servants of U.S. what do you expect.
EXPAT Added Apr 13, 2017 - 6:57pm
Leroy. Mexico was formed by revolution. The Mestizo's were considered Bastards with no rights, until a Catholic Priest said enough!
Mexico is as much about its people as it is about sovereignty.  They will never capitulate to foreign power again.
I can't believe any intelligent person would think they could wall off Central and South America from the North. And yet it is the Mantra of the right.
Leroy Added Apr 13, 2017 - 9:14pm
Expat, a country that can't protect its borders in not a country.
EXPAT Added Apr 13, 2017 - 9:26pm
Leroy. What does that have to do with walling off the world?
Isn't a good neighbor a better choice?
EXPAT Added Apr 13, 2017 - 9:29pm
USA failure to institute a comprehensive guest worker policy is precisely why we have the problem today!
Leroy Added Apr 13, 2017 - 10:19pm
"Good fences make good neighbors."
A guess worker program would go a long ways towards solving the problem. 
Mircea Negres Added Apr 14, 2017 - 2:35am
I think those who want to go back to the 1848 borders have been taking too much mescalin mixed with concentrated testosterone. Two thousand years ago the Dacians controlled territory as far as northern Poland. If I went to the European Court of Justice to demand all that land be "returned" to Romania on the grounds that Dacians are our ancestors, I'd be laughed out of court and all the way back to the southern tip of Africa. It's no different with the Arab countries whose armies repeatedly attacked Israel and now want back everything ranging from the Golan Heights to west Jerusalem- going to war is like gambling at a casino, if you win, you win; if you lose, STFU and go home.
Billy Roper Added Apr 14, 2017 - 9:37am
Thank you all for the comments. Dino, the problem is, there are from thirteen million to twenty million of them here illegally right now, depending on who is counting. Think about that. Imagine if thirteen million Chinese troops showed up on the West Coast, what would we call that? Would it be okay if they weren't armed? Well, there are over a hundred thousand members of the violent MS-13 gang network in the U.S. right now, not counting Nortenos and Cartels and others, who are armed and hate Whitey.
Billy Roper Added Apr 14, 2017 - 9:39am
Expat, to be fair to the Mexicans, what their immigration, both legal and illegal, has done has been the de facto Reconquista of much of the territory they're asking for, anyway. American sovereignty over large chunks of the southwestern U.S., from Texas to California, is largely just a formality, at this point.
Billy Roper Added Apr 14, 2017 - 9:43am
Leroy, you're correct, the United States is no longer a nation, in the original definition of the term which it was intended to be the Founders, because it failed to protect its original definition of citizenship. It also fails to be a country since it lacks the will to defend its borders. It's an imploding multiracial empire, these days.
Billy Roper Added Apr 14, 2017 - 9:45am
Ian, a lot of Texican Nationalists are still serious about Independence. Some of them recognize that about half of it is still under control of Americans. The other half, if it goes anywhere, raises an eagle and snake flag.
Billy Roper Added Apr 14, 2017 - 9:46am
Mircea, right, the native tribes could demand the land back from Mexico which was taken from them by conquest, and then those tribes took it from another tribe, who took it some point, people just have to stop seeking reparations for things that happened before they were born.
Mike Haluska Added Apr 14, 2017 - 10:53am
If Mexico promises to NEVER return California, they can have it.
Billy Roper Added Apr 15, 2017 - 8:47am
Mike, lol. That might be a deal. Here's a new piece about how the altering of the demographics is resulting in the balkanization of the U.S.:
Mike Haluska Added Apr 17, 2017 - 10:15am
Here's some advice to those who think America should "give back" territory to Mexico.  Go and live in Mexico for a year and imagine that standard of living replacing the one already existing in Texas, New Mexico, California.
Mike Haluska Added Apr 18, 2017 - 9:34am
I love it when I finish arguments!