The Atomic Cafe

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A peek into the utter sickness and depravity that are DUHmericans and their much ballyhooed DUHmerican way. 

 

This video contains only footage produced and shot by DUHmericans for DUHmerican consumption. I'm still too shocked and appalled at the level of mendacity and unpardonable wrongdoing perpetrated against not only the world but against the DUHmerican people themselves to be able to write anything that can describe the awful message of this video. 

 

Very sick stuff that illustrates why the DUHmerican character is a clear and present danger to mankind.

 

The Atomic Cafe

Comments

EXPAT Added Apr 14, 2017 - 7:37am
Yeah. the world was a wonderful place until America came along.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 7:45am
As the video is more than an hour in length its obvious your knee jerk reaction is based upon your jingoism and nothing else Expat.
 
Whether or not the world was a wonderful place before DUHmerica its a much worse place since. 
Ari Silverstein Added Apr 14, 2017 - 8:10am
DUHJeffry with another writing masterpiece. 
EXPAT Added Apr 14, 2017 - 8:24am
We both live in Thailand because America sends us money. We are what we are today because of America. Most of Europe is free today because of America. You are able to live in Thailand because millions of Americans died in the Pacific to defeat Japan.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 8:24am
Thanks Ari for further burnishing your obtuse credentials. Always good to see.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 8:30am
We both live in Thailand because America sends us money.
 
Speak for yourself. I earned what I have.
 
We are what we are today because of America
 
Again speak for yourself. I am what I am today despite DUHmerica. 
 
Most of Europe is free today because of America.
 
And 20 million dead Russians. 
 
You are able to live in Thailand because millions of Americans died in the Pacific to defeat Japan.
 
I am able to live here because I worked for it. 
EXPAT Added Apr 14, 2017 - 8:48am
You did it all by yourself. What a guy. Doesn't Thailand allow you to stay here because you are an American? Do you not have an American Passport?
Did you make that passport ALL BY YOURSELF?
 
I was educated in America, get a pension from America, have the protection of the American Government, and owe everything I am to where I came from. I am just not a Superman as you are!
 
I am laughing too much to continue.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 9:06am
Doesn't Thailand allow you to stay here because you are an American?
 
No. Thailand allows me to stay because I meet their standards for a retirement visa. Do you think only DUHmericans get retirement visas? Are you certain I have a DUHmerican passport? 
 
I was educated in America
 
So what! I earned my education through scholarship. IF - HUGE IF - I did owe anything for my education they got much much more back in income tax.
 
have the protection of the American Government
 
Laughable at best. Quite the opposite in practice.
 
and owe everything I am to where I came from.
 
Everything I am is in spite of DUHmerica's repeated attempts to prevent.
 
I am just not a Superman as you are. 
 
That's quite evident even though I'm nowhere near a cartoon character. 
 
Even if everything you said was true Expat it doesn't negate the fact that DUHmerica is a clear and present danger to the planet today. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 14, 2017 - 10:05am
Jeffry
 
Quite some fun to follow you guys :-) I'm here in Africa because I've worked for it too. And I'm not on retirement yet. I figured it'd be better to start as soon as possible. No fun to wait for retirement and then to find out that at 64 I'll be too wasted to start ;-)
 
And I feel safer down here. Europe will be squeezed to death when the showdown between the US and Russia starts...
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 10:12am
Thanks Stone. I'm always amazed at those who profess to love DUHmerica so deeply and defend it so strongly yet refuse to live there. There's a dissonance that is impossible for me to comprehend. 
 
Yes, you'll be safer for a while where you are. 
 
Always good to hear from you.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 14, 2017 - 10:20am
Well.....I'm Swiss and I defend my country if I feel it's been treated injustly. Means using these damn stereotypes. But I always said I don't love it because a) I don't like the mentality and the social climate and b) to love a country simply for the fact that one is born there by accident seems just stupid to me.
 
I mean the fact that I'm fully integrated in a culture which is far out from ours but integration into my own culture failed speaks for itself ;-)
 
And thank you too. You're for the same reason in Thailand I'm here in Africa it seems....
Mike Haluska Added Apr 14, 2017 - 10:43am
Jeffry - America didn't kill 20 million Russians.  Hitler and Stalin are responsible for those deaths.  Is there ANY good that came from America's history???  The world isn't slightly better off because of America???  Do the people of Thailand think America was no better than the Khmer?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 11:05am
America didn't kill 20 million Russians. 
 
Never sad they did. Were it not for those 20 million Russian soldiers deaths DUHmerica would have lost to the Germans however.
 
Is there ANY good that came from America's history???
 
None that overcomes the evil its has done.
 


Do the people of Thailand think America was no better than the Khmer?


I can't speak for Thais. I have spoken to many who love DUHmerica - at least the fake part they see on TV - and many who resent the crimes DUHmerica is this very moment committing against the Kingdom. 








 


Watch the video Mike. Its a compilation of your own propaganda films. 






Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 11:09am
I'm Swiss and I defend my country if I feel it's been treated injustly
 
I respect that but don't understand it. You had no choice to be born Swiss. This ridiculous idea that because one is born on a particular piece of land one owes it ones life is utterly mad. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 14, 2017 - 11:19am
That's what I mean basically. Although to defend a country with your life seems something only Americans can identify with to such a degree. We don't give a shit about flags, national anthems and other pathos :)
 
What i fight is as i said dumb stereotypes, be it Switzerland or wherever.
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 14, 2017 - 11:22am
I was born there but didn't chose it. So I don't have an obligation to love it. One loves PEOPLE but not a country. That's delusional.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 11:22am
What i fight is as i said dumb stereotypes, be it Switzerland or wherever.
 
Thanks for the clarification Stone.
Jenifer Frost Added Apr 14, 2017 - 12:35pm
Living in America, I feel more and more like a stranger to my own homeland. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 12:47pm
I feel more and more like a stranger to my own homeland. 
 
I went there six years ago for a funeral after at least as many years of not having been there prior. I was shocked at how much more terrible the place had become in just a half dozen years. 
 
The frog in the boiling water syndrome. Those that live there happily sit and get boiled to death because its slow while those who get thrown in jump right back out. 
 
I will never set foot in that hemisphere again much less that country. 
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2017 - 1:48pm
Jenifer I'm older than you and you took the words out of my mouth. I grew up in the 60s and 70s in a growing suburban area that was a mix of blue collar and white collar.  The income range was mostly middle class with some lower middle class and upper middle class.  Some kids lived in nicer houses, parents had better cars and took bigger summer vacations.
 
But no one ever faced layoffs, underemployment, need for food stamps and government assistance, and the inability to give their kid money for school clothes, field trips and other school activities.  Student loan debt for college was virtually unheard of.
 
Now I look around and we have morphed into a state of impoverished decay.  This doesn't look the country I grew up in.  Granted it wasn't perfect from the Vietnam War (which early Baby Boomers had to contend with), racial strife and our government doing things that no one knew about it.  Still, there was enough economic comfort to keep the masses relatively fat and happy.  Even the stagflation didn't crimp the US economy like we see now. I graduated college in May 1981 from a state school and still had a job waiting for me, even in the depths of the early 1980s recession.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 2:14pm
This doesn't look the country I grew up in. 
 
Its not George. That country is gone forever.
 
Thanks for joining the fray.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 2:15pm
I'm really looking forward to comments from those who watched the video. 
EXPAT Added Apr 14, 2017 - 2:36pm
Thanks Stone. I'm always amazed at those who profess to love DUHmerica so deeply and defend it so strongly yet refuse to live there. There's a dissonance that is impossible for me to comprehend. 
You're not amazed! Your sick mind created this dichotomy that doesn't exist!
 
I am well aware of the faults that ALL governments have including Thailand. I could have made better use of the opportunities America offers, but chose a lifestyle that made me a wiser, happier person. I don't refuse to live there and recently posted my inclination to go back if Trump met my expectations.
 
I don't defend America so strongly, but when delusional people tell lies and print crap like "The Atomic Café." I feel obligated to point out the good America has done for the world.
Jeffry is able to live in Thailand, because Americans defeated Japan. He is just too diseased with hate to recognize it.
 
The key word in this comment is "CHOSE". I am able to live the life I do
because America gave me the thinking tools and wherewithal to make my own decisions.  
Dino Manalis Added Apr 14, 2017 - 4:36pm
I live in New Jersey and I love America!  America has spread democracy and capitalism, even China embraces it now.  America's best days are yet to come!
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2017 - 4:53pm
My sense it that America will rise again one day but first it will experience a total financial, social and spiritual meltdown.  The current system seems beyond repair and the last desperate hope of Donald Trump has quickly faded away.  One day those that survive will look upon this as an age of stupidity, greed and myopic thinking.
John G Added Apr 14, 2017 - 7:30pm


Mike Haluska 



Jeffry - America didn't kill 20 million Russians. 
 
No, but it did kill quite a few hundreds of thousands when it invaded post-revolution.
 
American economic policies as prescribed by the Harvard boys killed upwards of 5 million Russians in the 1990s too.
 
It's funny what your 'free press' doesn't tell you about the evil deeds of capitalists isn't it?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2017 - 11:43pm
Clearly no one opted to watch the film which in retrospect is unsurprising. DUHmericans hate to be called out for anything.
 
The film covers the beginnings of the era of nuclear warfare, created from a broad range of archival material from the 1940s, 1950s and early 1960s including newsreel clips, television news footage, U.S. government-produced films (including military training films), advertisements, television and radio programs. News footage reflected the prevailing understanding of the media and public.

Though the topic of atomic holocaust is a grave matter, The Atomic Cafe approaches it with black humor. Much of the humor derives from the modern audience's reaction to the old training films, such as the Duck and Cover film shown in schools. A quote to illustrate what can be perceived as black humor, culled from the movie: "Viewed from a safe distance, the atomic bomb is one of the most beautiful sights ever seen by man," a U.S. Army training film declares.
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 3:24am
As if you're the first person to have seen it.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:00am
Can't watch it from Senegal costs too much and line too slow here. But i can imagine what it's like - Billy Wilder ?
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:58am
I saw the documentary 35 years ago when it was made. It made little impression then, and it makes no sense now.  I have no intention of seeing it again!
 
The nuclear arms race ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Only a few late comers, NOKO and Iran are still struggling to catch up with the civilized world. If you can call the ability to destroy the world civilized?
 
Delusional people like Jeffry think because they don't know something, or just discovered an old film, the rest of the world is ignorant also. I saw all of the doomsday films of the 80's, and learned to hide under my school desk in 1950.
 
We forget that America, China and Russia still have thousands  of Multiple war head ICBM's fully functional and aimed at every major population center in the world. Not to mention EU, India, Pakistan and Israel.
Stupidity is more horrifying than Nuc's that every one is afraid to use.
 
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 8:03am
I also saw the real life Test films of the MX/Peacekeeper tests when I worked on the Guidance program at Northrop. One warhead can destroy everything in a 200 mile radius, and contaminate the ground for 500 miles.
One Peacekeeper ICBM has 10 warheads
Michael B. Added Apr 15, 2017 - 12:20pm
I watched it, and thought it was very interesting, although the black humor comes more from its dated nature than anything else. Otherwise, I didn't think it was very funny. Growing up in the early 1980's when the likelihood of a nuclear war was very, very real, I remember being very, very fatalistic; living in the vicinity of a major city and in between several significant military bases, our chances of survival were slim to none. A friend had an official-looking poster that listed several things to do in case of nuclear attack, the last one being "Kiss your ass goodbye." The day after the movie "The Day After" was shown, it was intensely discussed in every class in school the next day except gym. The recurring theme among us students was what was the reason for this insane state of affairs; there were no hyperpatriotic jingoists in the student body, at least none I was aware of. I don't remember any of the teachers giving anyone a good answer, but most of my teachers were assholes and dumbasses, so it wasn't surprising. Even then, I thought the idea of a Communist takeover and/or a Soviet invasion laughable, but the possibility of being vaporized by Soviet warheads was a distinct possibility. I totally understand why we developed the atomic bomb, but nuclear weapons are the biggest tragedy in human history, by many orders of magnitude. The trillions of dollars all nuclear countries have spent on weapons that essentially cannot be used could have been much better spent on other things. But, people are stupid, so there will always be that.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 15, 2017 - 12:50pm
Thanks for jumping in Michael. I was struck by the absurdity of selling the public that nukes were supposed to be a good thing - Truman's sick comment - yet teaching them how to survive the unsurvivable. 
 
Many of the attitudes I see in DUHmericans today that I hold in greatest contempt had to have been born in the shit sandwich they were/are being sold in all the various forms of media then and now.
 
The passive acceptance that these weapons had a very high chance of destroying them and the bullshit father surveying his post nuclear war neighborhood in his coveralls over his business suit saying in effect "Gee, this isn't so bad" when saying a little work and it will be same as before are most disturbing.
 
It illustrates how DUHmericans have been propagandized and inculcated to meekly accept and obey the monsters that rule them. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 15, 2017 - 1:55pm
Thanks Tom for adding to the discussion. 
George N Romey Added Apr 15, 2017 - 2:30pm
This guy running North Korea is as loony as the neocons.  He wants to be a nuclear power and China and the US isn't going to tell him no.  So what is Trump going to do? 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 15, 2017 - 2:49pm


So what is Trump going to do? 









 
 
Who the fuck knows with that guy? He's clearly been co-opted by the neo-con warmongering deep state. Is it even him running things? President Kushner? Mattis? Tillerson? Who the hell knows? He empowered his Generals....
 
One thing that is certain is everyone is making serious preparations for major war. 






Michael B. Added Apr 15, 2017 - 2:55pm
I also found the segment where the propaganda film compared household accidents like burning toast and slipping in the shower to a nuclear war particularly egregious. A civilian professor in the film also pointed out how incendiary attacks on Hamburg, Germany, and on every Japanese city we bombed (after the raid on Tokyo on the night of March 9/10, 1945, incendiary bombs were the weapon of choice in the bombing of Japan) turned air raid shelters into ovens, and if the victims weren't burned to death, they suffocated. Nukes would have similar effects. Yes Jeffry, that was a jaw-dropper of a film for sure. Thanks for the link.
Stephen Hunter Added Apr 15, 2017 - 3:07pm
Why do some have to be offended one way or another, raising the emotions, go into fight or flight mode, and learn NOTHING from history? 
The dialogue should be about how WHY this happened. Not unlike the Reefer Madness films, the propaganda was being accepted as reality by good and honest American folks, for an agenda not in the interest of the public, but masked as such. 
Michael B. Added Apr 15, 2017 - 3:26pm
I think that people in general were manipulated easier up until the mid-60's...the MICC is still up to the same tricks, but they're more sophisticated about it these days, although in my view, it's still a pretty ham-handed approach. The main difference between then and now is being that instead of relatively few forms of media, we now have information saturation. Fake news and yellow journalism are now the rule rather than the exception, and the spinning and embellishing of small truths into big lies, and vice-versa.
Mircea Negres Added Apr 15, 2017 - 3:56pm
Stalina Bomba, the 50 megaton bomb detonated by the Soviets, was 10 (ten) times bigger than the entire amount of ordnance fired off by all sides in WW2. I haven't seen a video of THAT particular Soviet "accomplishment", much like I haven't seen any video of the long-term victims of Soviet atomic testing in Kazakhstan and Soviet mass murder at Katyn Forest, or once again, Soviet joys of target practice upon humans at Butyrkovo and other such places. Why? Because they weren't American...
 
Mind you, the only reason the Chernobyl disaster even came to light was a Swedish nuclear reactor worker who went out for a smoke break and returned to ringing alarms because some Soviet Ukraininan reactor fallout actually fell on his clothes and was detected by a capitalist-made detector at the capitalist-run and -designed nuclear reactor facility. Yeah, Americans are so bad... You think MKULTRA was nasty? Try the Pitesti Phenomenon or living in Romania during communism! Look, every country on Earth (including the Vatican) has done evil, but if you want to see both large scale and depth of depravity, you only have to look at what was done in the name of communism by people far more mentally abnormal than the banally evil Germans during Nazism, or much of what what you call Duhmerica did afterwards.
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 6:22pm
The US can deescalate the tensions on the Korean Peninsula any time they wish.
The exercises are a deliberate provocation and the economic sanctions are designed to punish ordinary North Koreans.
It isn't in the interests of America's ruling class to deescalate though. War is good for profits.
It may be trendy and popular to call these people crazy, but they do have good cause to be paranoid about the empire.
 
http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/03/prosecutable-us-crimes-against-humanity-in-korea/
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 6:37pm
Mircea. We pick and choose our outrage!
Duhmerica (Childish name calling) and blaming a nebulous group of their own creation for all evil is a defense against the unknown, and a world they cannot understand.
It is the choice of a few confused minds on WB. It frightens them, not understanding the world they live in, so they mentally  create a world they do understand AMERICA IS THE GREAT SATIN. Then try to project THAT world on others.
 
There is no mention of the latest Russian threat. Jeffry has to go back 35 years to blame America.
 
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-new-rs-28-sarmat-icbm-us-missile-defense-killer-19464
Russian media recently claimed that the Federation’s new intercontinental ballistic missile will be able to penetrate even America’s most effective defense systems—but are they right? Russia target="_blank">claims the new RS-28 Sarmat heavy ICBM, being introduced as part of its target="_blank">nuclear modernization, can wipe out an area ‘the size of Texas or France’. They may be referring to the missile being able to deliver nuclear weapons target="_blank">via the South Pole rather than the traditional ‘over the north pole’ route. It may also be typical Russian grandstanding in an effort to intimidate. Whilst the RS-28 will certainly get US planners thinking about nuclear modernization, it seems unlikely that such hyperbole will have US leaders rushing for the nuclear bunkers.
 
Of course if Trump counters and upgrades our ICBM' he will be inciting war.
 
 
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 6:43pm
In fact it was the US that reignited the arms race, withdrew from several treaties and refused to ratify the ban on space based weapons. And its so called missile shield systems are blatant first strike capability attempts.
The US nuclear force is undergoing a multi-trillion $ upgrade.
This is all in flagrant violation of the NPT.
So what were you saying Expat?
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:03pm
I am saying you are brainless. There is no "The US nuclear force is undergoing a multi-trillion $ upgrade.'
and you know nothing about missile defense systems!
Is that plain enough for you?
I print an article on the latest RUSSIAN ICBM , and as predicted you blame America. "In fact it was the US that reignited the arms race..."
You and Jeffry need to e-mail each other directly!  Your delusion seems to match his!
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:04pm
You don't do logic or reason do you?
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:08pm
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USNuclearModernization
 
http://billmoyers.com/story/the-trillion-dollar-question-the-media-have-neglected-to-ask-presidential-candidates/
 
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-2016-9?r=US&IR=T
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:11pm
http://thebulletin.org/limit%E2%80%94or-expand%E2%80%94missile-defense7647
 
http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-building-global-first-strike-capacity-against-russia-and-china/5318728
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:23pm
Your fake news links are from the Republican debates, when the MSM were busy getting Trump elected, and merely asked why this question  about a proposal was never asked.
The question was never asked, because it is not credible. All this nuclear talk is to intimidate. Well Trump will not be intimidated.
I am sure you will be the first to know, if he does decide to upgrade America's nuclear capability, but why bother when you already have the ability to destroy the world?
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:26pm
“Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.”
Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass    
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:30pm
Bush withdrew from the treaty and Obama launched the upgrade, Dingbat.
Your reading and comprehension skills are clearly lacking.
Trump has totally, unconditionally surrendered to the neocon/neoliberal establishment in the past 2 weeks.
Looks like he is intimidated to hell.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:42pm
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USNuclearModernization
(Your Link)
For Fiscal Year (FY) 2017 President Obama requested $9.2 billion to fund nuclear weapons activities in the Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA), which oversees the U.S. nuclear stockpile and production complex, a 4.3 percent increase over the FY 2016 appropriation. The agency projects more than $300 billion in spending on nuclear weapons programs over the next 25 years. 
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:48pm
Leave the strategic planning to those who know what they are talking about!
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:50pm
The expenditure is for a 30-year program to “modernize” the US nuclear arsenal and production facilities. Although President Obama began his administration with a target="_blank">dramatic public commitment to build a nuclear weapons-free world, that commitment has long ago dwindled and died. It has been replaced by an target="_blank">administration plan to build a new generation of US nuclear weapons and nuclear production facilities to last the nation well into the second half of the 21st century. This plan, which has received almost no attention by the mass media, includes redesigned nuclear warheads, as well as new nuclear bombers, submarines, land-based missiles, weapons labs and production plants. The estimated cost? $1,000,000,000,000.00 — or, for those readers unfamiliar with such lofty figures, $1 trillion.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:55pm
John G. I thought you were just a dumb kid. Now you post like an old idiot.
"Dingbat."
You should have called me MEATHEAD, Archie. Edith was Dingbat. I guess Alzheimer is your best friend now.
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 7:58pm
Your insults are as pathetic as your 'arguments'.
Bill H. Added Apr 15, 2017 - 10:36pm
I'm afraid that we will inevitably soon be facing the result of two out of control crazed egos clashing at the expense of the lives of many innocent people. I had no issue with giving Syria a slap in the face, but I believe we are shortly going to see something that the world has not witnessed since August of 1945.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 11:29pm
Bill H.
Before his election, I would have agreed with you about Trunp.
But now he has proved himself a BRILLIANT Tactician, and he has brought the world under control in 8 weeks, undoing 8 years of Obama stupidity.
 
Either the Democrats will start acting in the best interest of USA, or they will disappear in 2018!
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 11:34pm
SEOUL - A North Korean missile "blew up almost immediately" on its test launch on Sunday, the U.S. Pacific Command said, hours before U.S. Vice President Mike Pence was due in South Korea for talks on the North's increasingly defiant arms program.
The failed launch from North Korea's east coast, ignoring admonitions from major ally China, came a day after North Korea held a military parade in its capital, marking the birth anniversary of the state founder, in which what appeared to be new long-range ballistic missiles were on display.
 
This is one way for NOKO to stand down and save face! The end of slaughter of innocents is peace through strength!
I couldn't be prouder of America, than I am now!
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2017 - 11:35pm
John G. It is time to change your adult Diaper. You are shitting all over yourself!
John G Added Apr 15, 2017 - 11:58pm
Ironic given your petty display of childish nationalism.
EXPAT Added Apr 16, 2017 - 12:52am
Right now America is the winning team. I am cheering what works! I have been away for over 10 years and everything is different than when I left. I leave childish anti-Americanism to you and Jeffry!
John G Added Apr 16, 2017 - 1:13am
 
I guess if you think that killing a lot of people in pursuit of ruling class profits is winning, you can convince yourself of anything.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 2:06am
I also found the segment where the propaganda film compared household accidents like burning toast and slipping in the shower to a nuclear war particularly egregious.
 
Yes. That and many others illustrated the sickness I object to. 
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 2:07am
The dialogue should be about how WHY this happened
 
Agreed. Please elaborate.
 
Thanks for jumping into the fray.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 2:10am
I think that people in general were manipulated easier up until the mid-60's...the MICC is still up to the same tricks, but they're more sophisticated about it these days,
 
A preponderance of DUHmericans are just as manipulated today as then Michael. I agree many are beginning to see the light though unfortunately not enough. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 2:21am
or much of what what you call Duhmerica did afterwards.
 
I don't doubt the awful deeds you write of Mircea. Terrible as they were they don't comprise 0.0001% of the evil DUHmerica commits on a global scale at the very moment I am composing this response. As Jenifer pointed out DUHmerica commits the most heinous crime with compunction - aggression - as often as most people change their skivvies. Not just with Tomahawks but with "all options are on the table" terrorism, with dollar hegemony, with sending two warmongering terrorist War College grads to my country with the express purpose to destabilize and control this country. 
 
I'm also factoring in your fantasy of retiring to the Rocky Mountains as did the fictional character Bob Lee Swagger. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 2:24am


I believe we are shortly going to see something that the world has not witnessed since August of 1945.




 
Perpetrated by the same and only warmongering terrorist regime that used them then. 
 

Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 2:27am
Before his election, I would have agreed with you about Trunp.
But now he has proved himself a BRILLIANT Tactician, and he has brought the world under control in 8 weeks, undoing 8 years of Obama stupidity.
 
So you're packed and on your way to the airport. Good for you. You'll love it there. Bon Voyage. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 2:27am
Thank you everyone for your comments and participation. 
EXPAT Added Apr 16, 2017 - 4:16am
Like you, I am going to reap the benefits of being an American in Thailand, a bit longer, now that Trump has China under control.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 16, 2017 - 7:55am
Trump has nothing under control, not even himself LOL
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 8:11am
Indeed Stone. Well said. 
Bill Kamps Added Apr 16, 2017 - 8:15am
Countries like people are complicated entities.  Similarly all have both good and bad associated with them.  The  US being the largest economy and military in the world, has both good and bad on an immensely magnified scale.  It IS the elephant in the room, and when it makes takes a step, things can be crushed, often without the people of the US knowing things are being crushed.
 
A comment that Jeffry made that struck me is that simply saying "all options are on the table" is a form of terrorism.  From the US side, this sounds like a reasonable statement, when given the vast power of the US military it is a rather ominous statement to the rest of the world.  For those in the US, we greatly underestimate the impact our military has on the rest of the world, spending more than the next 9 countries combined, 7  of which are allies.  We outspend the Russians 10:1, and yet we behave as if we are at military parity with them.  Moving a carrier group to the Korean peninsula can only be seen as a threat to the N Koreans, while to average person in the US it is just another sensible adjustment to the deployment of our vast military.   We dont give it a second thought for how it may be a destabilizing action, rather than the stabilizing action we imagine it is.
 
The US is the only country to USE a nuclear weapon and it seems to think it can control who else in the world gets to join the nuclear club.  The irony is that countries are developing nukes as a defense against the US, not necessarily as an offensive weapon to use against the  US.  The N Koreans can never hope to develop a carrier group able to defeat a US carrier group, however, if they have nukes, it is unlikely we will attack them.  Developing a nuke is far cheaper and easier than developing the technology spread within a carrier group.
 
The thing that really annoys me about US foreign policy is how it behaves as if it has the moral high ground, while at the same time committing many ( though not all ) of the same atrocities as the countries we rebuke.
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2017 - 8:19am
The irony is that countries are developing nukes as a defense against the US, not necessarily as an offensive weapon to use against the  US
 
Precisely! 
 
Good comment overall Bill Kamps. 
Bill Kamps Added Apr 16, 2017 - 8:50am
The people in the US under estimate the intimidation that the US military causes, and how that intimidation causes others to act in ways that are often counter productive to US interests.
 
The Russian invasion of the Ukraine is decried by the West as a blatant act of aggression.  However, faced with the possible loss of access to their strategic port in the Crimea, Russia's only warm water port in the west, it could not afford to wait and see if the Ukraine joined NATO. By then it would too late and it could not get it back. Its military is not strong enough.   It had to act, and the West either was daring it to act or we must believe the West didnt know the strategic value of the Crimea, which seems unlikely.   We can naively say that the  Ukraine had a right to determine the fate of the Crimea port, but that would be like saying that Panama has the right to determine the fate of the canal, and we would all laugh at that.  The press keeps repeating the story of Russia's blatant attack without giving context to the strategic value of the Crimea to the Russians. 
 
We force other countries to act first, because if they wait, they may not be able to act.  Dogs bite more often out of fear than aggression.  If we scare N Korea enough, they may attack the South, but that wont mean that the US didnt cause the attack, by intimidating an already paranoid state. 
 
The question is whether the  US is willing to start a war to keep N Korea from getting a nuclear weapon.  Is it logical to think that once getting a nuclear weapon it will attack the South and ensure the North's destruction, or is it more logical to assume that the stalemate will just continue to persist ?  EVEN IF it attacks the South, the US wont itself be attacked, so how much risk are we assuming ?
 
We can look at the situation of India and Pakistan, both with nuclear weapons and having one of the most militarized borders along with Korea.  Unlike Korea, the I/P border routinely was the site of many thousands being killed in border skirmishes.  Since both sides got nukes, the number of casualties has greatly been reduced.  So rather than nukes being a destabilizing factor, they helped to stabilize a dangerous border because both sides know they cant let a border fight get out of hand.
 
This is not to say there are easy answers in Korea.  However, there are multiple ways to look at things, and we need to realize that because the US military is so powerful it forces other countries to considering acting FIRST, because they cant afford to wait until we act.  If the US is unclear in its intentions, or if it behaves in an intimidating way, this makes the situation more dangerous, not less dangerous.
 
Bill H. Added Apr 16, 2017 - 12:16pm
 
Based on several of North Korea's latest missile launch attempts, I suspect we have perfected the technology of laser anti-missile systems.
ADAM System
Jenifer Frost Added Apr 16, 2017 - 1:50pm
Bill writes "Based on several of North Korea's latest missile launch attempts, I suspect we have perfected the technology of laser anti-missile systems." 
The Russians sure have... 
A Multi-level Analysis of the US attack on Syria - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46845.htm

Jenifer Frost Added Apr 16, 2017 - 1:59pm
Being that it is the weekend I finally had time to watch the film. Quite disturbing to say the least. Not at all surprising though. Pro war propaganda is always over the top, even unrealistic, so it's to be expected. The attempts at black humor were ridiculous and nauseating. Anyone fooled by that crap should watch 'The Day After' or read some of the accounts of Chernobyl survivors. But people are stupid.
 
When I first saw the title The Atomic Cafe I thought perhaps it was about Las Vegas back in the 1950's. Vegas was called the Atomic City back then because one of it's attractions was being able to see the atomic bomb tests in the Nevada desert. A lot of those idiots got retinal cancer. People are very stupid.  
John G Added Apr 16, 2017 - 4:46pm
The Russian invasion of the Ukraine is decried by the West as a blatant act of aggression. 
It's worse than that. There was no Russian invasion of Ukraine. There was a violent US coup and military action towards the Russian speaking parts of the country.
This is purely an act of US provocation.
Jenifer Frost Added Apr 16, 2017 - 5:00pm
John writes "There was no Russian invasion of Ukraine." 
True, but like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, some simply continue to see make believe beings and pretend invasions. The complete lack of hard evidence is no obstacle to True Believers, they go entirely on faith and their Bible is the corporate mainstream media, their god, Delusion. I put Russian Invasionists in the same category as Scientologists and Flat Earthers. 
John G Added Apr 16, 2017 - 6:53pm
Yeah, it's all Russia's fault for putting their country near where the US was building military bases. Same with China.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 17, 2017 - 8:14am
John / Jenifer
 
Minority opinion but nevertheless right :-)
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 18, 2017 - 10:20am
Minority opinion but nevertheless right :-)
 
Indeed Stone.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 18, 2017 - 10:34am
Pence, DUHmerica's number two terrorist has just committed another warcrime of aggression by again stating "all options are on the table". 
EXPAT Added Apr 19, 2017 - 1:31am
Too funny Jeffry! I guess your brain has deteriorated to the point of dysfunction. Biden would have handed out a 2 year plan of doing nothing!
EXPAT Added Apr 19, 2017 - 1:39am
Does this sound familiar Jenifer and Stone?
On 15 November, the UN’s human rights committee adopted a resolution dedicated to the human rights situation in occupied Crimea. This is the first UN document to recognize Russia as an occupying power, and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol – as occupied territory.
I guess Russia and Israel have something in common! They are both falsely accused of invading territory belonging to someone else.
Ding Dong!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 7:15am
Always good to see you stopped by and that you took the time to leave a morsel EXPAT. I can't tell you how much it warms the cockles of my heart. Mai gohoke. Chok dii.
EXPAT Added Apr 19, 2017 - 1:49pm
It is I who is indebted to people like you, Stone and Jenifer.
Ning Yaow Mas Mat. Chok Di Krap.
EXPAT Added Apr 19, 2017 - 3:06pm
Jeffry.
With your life experiences you could write some great stories that would draw thoughtful comments and make you a great contributor to WB.
I don't like myself when I post comments like the one above.
I know you are a smart man with proven ability, but you insist on posting Anti-American trash like your 35 year old Atomic Café.
 
As a ships Captain you must have some very funny experiences, as well as tragic. Blaming 360 million people for the insanity in the world is so far below your ability, it  must be the pain and Drugs you are forced to take, that is twisting your perspective.
 
America changes with every election at both the National and local level.
That is what makes it both Great and Tragic at the same time.
Where there is great power, there also can be great error. Too many small minded people gain authority, but that too helps us grow as a people and a Nation.
 
Trump should have never happened, and if not for the corruption that calls itself Democratic, One of a half dozen better qualified people would be POTUS.
Many brilliant people refuse to enter Politics because it is not about issues, but about personality, and who can fool the most people.
 
I guess this is a form of apology, for falling to the level you inspire. So PLEASE write something that is worthy of your history and intellect, so I can redeem myself and respond in kind!
 
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 20, 2017 - 12:22pm
Expat
 
I don't call a region which voted to belong to Russia again occupied territory. If so, the occupiers are the Ukrainians...
 
contrary to Israel where the original people were driven out.
 
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 20, 2017 - 12:24pm
BTW The UN are s joke as is NATO, the IMF etc. They are US organizations pretending to be international. Who pays commands...

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