WHAT’S THE SOLUTION TO SEXISM AND HARASSMENTS OF THE FEMALE GENDER IN OUR SOCIETY?

Hello ladies and gentlemen…

 

I’d deviate a bit. My today’s topic is one of those touchy issues nobody wants to acknowledge in our society. It is also a question to both genders. My question is;

 

What’s The Solution To Sexism And Harassments Of The Female Gender In Our Society?

 

The appalling stories are getting worse. Ladies get murdered, physically abused, exploited, raped regularly by men at will. Most endure in silence. Since those that ever got the courage to speak up are jeered, mocked openly, even by their kind. These acts being constantly ignored affect relationships, marriages too. A depressed, even suicidal lady- or one being harrassed at work could become erratic, unpredictable or worse due to bottled up emotions. These issues needs to be taken seriously for our society to attain a balance. If these issues pertaining to womanhood isn’t given proper attention. Who knows how many unhinged ladies the society would’ve on its hands in the nearest future?

 

who instigates these unbecoming ills taking  our society by storm? Who motivates and encourages the atrocities taking place at offices? In our society as a whole. Degrading the female folks, ripping off their self worth to shreds. Stripping them of dignity…

 

What gets to me is how men most times are quick to defend oppressive “norm” in our society, which mostly works in their favor. Sexism at some workplaces is pathetically real. There’s this blatant discrimination against the female gender. She has to work twice as hard as a male colleague to be qualified for a certain post reserved mostly for the male folks at the office. Some are harassed constantly by their superiors. Men sadly don’t speak against these acts, because there seemed to be an unwritten code for the male gender to stick together against an attack on one of their own. Even if he’s obviously guilty.  A lady that decides to report such action, risks a lot including her job. Instead of colleagues coming to her rescue. She becomes a pariah( an outcast among colleagues at the office.) She may not be outrightly sacked by the powers that be, but could be subjected to an inexplicable dose of humiliation, mockery, untold hardship that she’d die of depression if she didn’t leave the organisation on her own. The unfortunate scenario above,  would be for a lady courageous enough to speak up. To report harassment through the appropriate channels at her place of work against one of the “big guns.”

 

Now-  why’d anyone else ever report harassment against any superior in such organization/firm? Most wouldn’t dare, not because it isn’t happening but for the fear of repercussions. Suing a superior for harassment in this part of the world? Who’d pay the bills? For how long would the case be dragged on to frustrate the litigant? And which judge would eventually grant you a fair hearing and actually punish the offender to serve as deterrent to others?

 

I’d say due to the lackadaisical attitude- this sexual harassment issues are being handled across the globe. Young girls/ladies are being assaulted/ abused; sexually harassed; raped- even at higher institutions by some randy lecturers…it escalates to work places. Some with no other options would eventually succumb to the pressure. Yet the society turns a blind eye…

 

The African society isn’t favorable on the female folks at all. Right from puberty, men old enough to be your father- grope you, exploit you at any given opportunity. You’d become instantly unpopular if you refused to play along. You “dodge all those bullets” growing up. Now work place? Shockingly even fellow ladies would despise you if you failed to succumb to the pressure or refused to shut your damn mouth about it…!

 

Does resisting this disgusting unfortunate “norm,” change the paradigm? In a society that sees no grey areas? Men are quick to condemn feminism or any scheme that fights for women’s right. Or spurs women on, imploring  them to use their heads. Be active participants in the society.

It’s time women said no to barbaric practices, voice out and stand up for themselves.  A society where giving you a job you are qualified for would require sexual exploitation from your potential boss? Why must one trade sex for a job she’s suitable for and quite capable of doing well?

 

Men see all these ills in our societies. They see poor kids being married off at tender ages- even before teenage at times. They see their colleagues/friends harass female employees because they could and get away with it. They see the superiors, harass/ abuse female staff, “married women” included. No one does a damn thing about it.

 

I implore all men in general to be considerate and sensitive to women’s plight in the society. Some of your past actions created the dangerous creatures some women are becoming lately.  Please be wise…it could be your sibling next.

 

What’s the way out of these deteriorating issues?

 

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Comments

Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 18, 2017 - 6:20pm
MGTOW! C-Ya!
Patrick Writes Added Apr 18, 2017 - 9:05pm
I've worked in I.T. (male-dominated profession) for 16+ years in 3 countries, 6+ years in the U.S.A. at an extremely well known corporation in the Midwest. Then in 2 other Western countries. 
 
I've never personally seen women treated anything other than completely professional on the job, ever. I've never seen women behave anything other than professional on the job. 
 
I've never seen women not get a promotion they deserved. 
 
Maybe the way you present this is real for you. But I've never seen anything that even approaches the territory of this. 
 
In fact, single women (in their 20's) in the USA and UK are hired and make more money than their male counterparts. That changes once women marry and have children, which makes logical sense. (It's very common that I've seen women have to leave when the clock strikes 4 to be home when the kids are coming home from school, can't work late, etc...). 
 
This statement, I personally have never seen this in the workplace: 
 
"She has to work twice as hard as a male colleague to be qualified for a certain post reserved mostly for the male folks at the office."
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 4:30am
I'm surprised you've never come across any of the issues mentioned in this article all through your working experience. Sadly I speak from experience too. This issues are real. It happens on a daily basis on this side of the globe. I expect the consequences of getting caught in such act and fear of being sued may've reduced such act in the western world.
Here to get a job you're qualified for, hiring managers would sometimes slip a complimentary card to a young lady that came for interview and mouths- call me. It's left for her to decide how much she wants/needs this job. That would decide her next move. Sexual exploitation at workplaces is quite real around here- no jokes. Every scenario mentioned in this article is as real as real can be.
It's good to know sexism isn't practiced as rampantly in the western world as here in Africa because you seemed genuinely surprised. 
Thanks for your contribution and have a wonderful day! 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 5:00am
There's nothing I'd like more than reading your opinion too, Jeffrey. MGTOW- I see stands for( men going their own way)- concerning these issues, what's your view?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 6:43am
Karen, as a man in a field that is very hard to attain (only 40000 of us world wide) I promoted two women that went on to reach the pinnacle of our profession when women were still very rare. I promoted them because they were superior shipmates and very good at their jobs. I resent the hell out of being assumed to be otherwise simply because of my "Y" chromosome. I resent the hell out of your implication that women deserve special treatment from men rather than just going about competing in the workplace the same as men have been doing for centuries. Buck up 
Bill Kamps Added Apr 19, 2017 - 7:20am
Karen, the situation you discuss varies a great deal in the work place. In my industry, in the US and many Western countries, women generally make as much or more than men, generally because of their rarity.  However, in other places I have visited, namely  Eastern Europe, Russia, Saudi, and South America the situation is very different.  In those places women make a great deal less than the men, work harder, and are subject to some pretty poor treatment. 
 
I would say nearly all of this is cultural.
 
In Eastern Europe and Russia things are still fairly primitive.  In Russia for example, they still advertise some secretary positions, as being a "secretary with intimacy".  Meaning it is expected that the secretary will have sex with the boss, this is made clear to the applicant up front, and no one gives it second thought including the potential secretary.  Its just one of those job requirements like making coffee.
 
A friend of mine from one of the Balkan countries said that when a baby was born in his home town a person asked if it was a son, or a child.  They never said the word for daughter. 
 
In South America the mistress is almost part of the family, for many practical reasons.  Before cell phones, what if the wife needed to reach the husband in an emergency ? Remember when the miners in Chile were rescued ? the mistresses and wives were all there together to rejoice at the miners being saved.
 
In Saudi women cant be out alone without their husbands or male relative if they are single, so they  cant even really work.  Even visiting women are closely monitored, and have many restrictions on their activities.
 
Workplaces are not going to be vastly different than the culture of the country.  It is easy to blame companies for how women are treated and paid, but they simply reflect the country people live in and the cultural "norms" that exist there.
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 7:24am
Whoa! No one's implying women should be given special treatment-Jeffrey.  In fact we want just the opposite. Read again please. This article is against "condescending" attitudes towards women in general. If she's qualified for the job, then let it be given to her on merit. Every women who knows her worth and works hard- garnered respect at work due to hard work will appreciate that even strive for a greater height. However that's exactly opposite what this post is about.
There 're young women who couldn't even get a particular job because they rejected sexual advances from their potential bosses to be. 
 
I'm afraid you viewed this post solely from your own perspective. Here in Africa. Do you know it's almost regarded as "normal" for a boss to bed his secretary? Go ask? Tell me your findings. If she refuses to comply, There 're long lists of those willing to take her job. Where're the jobs? Not only secretaries. Staff go through same. These same men refer to them down here as "loose girls." Each time I overhear men use such terms on the ladies they'd successfully exploited, abused, my skin crawls. 
Come down to the private sectors here and see for yourself. A lady doing a wonderful job in her company, known for a fact by all her colleagues, may remain in the same position for ages- because she refused to succumb to the pressure, have sex with her boss each time her pleases. Younger women even with less qualifications and skills may get to become her bosses too because they accepted such terrible norm and got favoured with promotions for the sexual gratification the bosses constantly gets from them. 
 
The last thing anyone speaking out against these issues want is to be given "special" treatment. No woman who realizes sexism is real and cried out against it could "ever" want to be given a special treatment. Feminism is about "equal" treatment. Not to be granted favours because one is female. In fact if anyone does something for me solely because in his mind, he viewed me as a weaker sex- I'd be greatly offended. 
 
Fair treatment is what I asked for- if a superior won't call a male staff into his office and grope him! He shouldn't do it to a female staff too. We're human with feelings too and deserve respect. That he pays my paycheck doesn't give him a right to grope me, sexaully harass me or assault me. Such acts tears ones dignity to shreds. 
Thanks Jeffrey for your contribution. It meant a lot to me. Do have a lovely day! 
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 7:30am
As for MGTOW it appears to be a recent movement at least publicly. Decades ago grandfather taught me an important lesson about women. He told me that women are like buses, if you miss one another will be along in a few minutes. Always conducted myself with that in mind.
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 7:55am
Thank you Bill! You truly grasped the depth of this post. You're right though. It's wrong for me to blame these issues on companies. Culture plays a huge role in such circumstances and utter disregard of the female gender. Lol!@ secretary with intimacy. Can you imagine? Even wives and mistresses waiting together for "their man." it's funny though absurd.
There're countries here in Africa where women are not allowed nor expected to have opinions on any issues whatsoever. They're to be seen not heard. Pathetic. 
Thanks so much Bill for your contribution. It means a whole lot to me. Have a wonderful day!
 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 8:06am
Lol! Your grandfather must 've been a "free spirit "even then-Jeffery. Carefree attitude to life in general has its benefits but when women 're involved- are you sure there isn't one you could miss and live to regret it for the rest of your life? That "very special" one.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 9:03am
are you sure there isn't one you could miss and live to regret it for the rest of your life
 
I was determined to remain single and childless for my entire life. To the later point I made sure by getting cut while still a teen - had to go to France to get it done. To the former she came along in my 40's, I recognized what I had, married her after a year and a half engagement and had 4 great years together. Then I cremated her. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 9:05am
One thing you seem not to have a grasp of is the shit men have to put up with in the workplace from their superiors and co-workers/competitors. A lot more subtle and the cause of much illness and death. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 9:11am
Finally, I grew up with 5 older sisters and no brothers. I lived in a house with six strong women and one milquetoast. My sisters never had your problems because they always assumed that 50% of the population owns 100% of the pussy therefore they were the ones with the power and conducted themselves accordingly. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 10:17am
Hmm..mm? "50% of the population owns 100% of the pussy." Jeffrey, doesn't that comment sound derogatory to you?
You see...these issues isn't about being milquetoast/timid or strong-willed. Please read Bill's post. You haven't really grasped the depth of these issues. I'm strong-willed myself, it doesn't change the paradigm. These despicable "norm" has gone on long enough- something needs to be done about it.
I'm glad you had a "special one" in your life albeit briefly. So sorry for your loss.
wsucram15 Added Apr 19, 2017 - 10:23am
Jeffry..thats true.  Unfortunately, they are not always the people in control of the situation.  Im  a pretty strong individual but was still raped with extreme violence.  I was harassed at work once but admittedly I was naive in that situation because I was younger. I handled it after though. I will add though, you get a bad reputation with men, when you are tough in business or life.
I have seen testimony by women at the state legislative level who were extremely abused by their superiors because they were afraid to lose their jobs, especially if they had children. It is a tough situation for some.
 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 10:25am
Jeffrey as Bill rightfully stated in his comment above. People's culture breeds these attitudes towards the female gender. In my own post I said- it needs to stop. 
I agree such ill-treatment of the female folks maybe almost nonexistent in the western world but here it's the reality and has been for a pretty long while- and I say it has to stop. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 10:51am
Thank you! You totally understand my points- Wsucram- and you nailed it. Some male superiors at workplace or business even in politics, feel threatened when faced with a female achiever/go-getter. 
 
So disheartening, what you went through. It didn't break you, only made you stronger and wiser- I'm happy to note. Some would ready blame any young woman who got raped. Fishing for how it could or would 've been her fault but that's nonsense. It was wrong and shouldn't have happened. Like I said earlier to Jeffrey - it's not about being milquetoast or strong-willed. These things happens and could happen to any lady out there.
Thanks so much- Wsucram for your contribution!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 10:57am
Hmm..mm? "50% of the population owns 100% of the pussy." Jeffrey, doesn't that comment sound derogatory to you?
 
Only if you're predisposed to see everything men do as evil. All 5 sisters embraced that concept. All were/are successful women. You possess something that half the population will do some pretty crazy things to get most of the time. That gives YOU the power. 
 
Think about it. 
 
Believe me I used my height, weight and strength to outshine, out work, out do my co-workers/competitors. As I used my wit, humor and aw shucks persona to reach my goals whether professional or personal. 
 
I love to see a woman who is truly feminine yet neither up or downplays it. Just accepts and is comfortable with it. Knows its power and knows she doesn't need to use her pussy to reach her goals while being competent and confident in her job and herself. THAT'S POWER.
 
I'm strong-willed myself, it doesn't change the paradigm
 
Again you missed my point because of your own bias. YOU create the boundaries you're determined to maintain. I never worked in a profession or job where there are millions who can do the same thing so my perspective is different. However, within my profession there were people that were clearly talented and determined who stood out and as a result got the reward for their hard work. I set out to be the best shipmate anyone could have. Always did my part and a little more, I studied, I WORKED and I achieved. I went beyond competent I MASTERED. I could only change me. Be a leader and others will follow. Don't wait for some nebulous "they" to hand it to you make it happen for yourself. 
Billy Roper Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:08am
Blacks and other nonWhites disproportionately commit rapes. Removing them from our society would be one great leap forward in protecting women.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:09am
Jeffry..thats true.  Unfortunately, they are not always the people in control of the situation.
 
Thanks Jeanne. Yes, there are situations that get out of control. I'm not downplaying the evil in some. It appears as though you learned to retain as much power as possible over outcomes by learning which ones to stay out of.
 
Sometimes shit just happens. I'm not saying my heart blowing up at 40 is anywhere near being raped but I think we can agree both changed the paths of our lives and for your part you're still in there banging away at your particular brand of bastards. 
wsucram15 Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:18am
Karen..today, but not then..I dont care who blames me. On the rape..at that time, by a male assistant states attorney, I was partially blamed even though I fought and required stitches in several areas of my person from being beaten with the butt of a gun. 
I overcame the job situation  and at the job, completely took over that situation at the time.  I think it was my first aggressive move at a job with the owner of a company.   I was young at the time and what I remember most was being scared and sick to my stomach.
Today, I would literally dominate that conversation...which is the point. You are forced to be aggressive in your own defense or your rights are blatantly taken away.  Then you are an annoyance or a bitch.
You know what..I did well, I take the latter any day.  I raised my daughter that way and they hate her on here...she is waaayyyy aggressive..its just not her speed on here.  The guys are older, she is more radical.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:20am
but here it's the reality and has been for a pretty long while- and I say it has to stop. 
 
I haven't lived in DUHmerica for 35 years and not in the west for 24. I live in Asia. 
 
I worked on ships as an officer. Very few females became/become officers. I had two in my various commands. As I said earlier they were both superior shipmates and damn good at what they did. I found no fault in their performance or styles. Both went on to their own commands and one went even further to become a ship pilot. My only contribution to their careers was recognizing it. 
 
Neither one tried to change the obvious and deep bias against women in the profession because they were smart enough to know they wouldn't have a profession if they did. They did the only thing reasonable - they performed their jobs damned well and were great shipmates. Never ever tried to be one of the boys either. 
 
It was a pleasure to sail with both and even bigger pleasure to watch their rise.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:22am
Blacks and other nonWhites disproportionately commit rapes
 
The author is presumably a black woman living in Africa Billy. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:34am
Hahahah...so I was wired to read your comment out of context? I read more than there actually was?My apologies.
Well...it's appears you're implying the exact thing I've been saying all this while. Being treated equally- no favors. 
Now- it's a competitive world out there. You mentioned using your talents, height etc to get ahead. In a workplace setting- there're many talents- swift competition. If you get your job done in record time, perfectly execute your assignments- showcasing your capabilities. Hit your targets before deadlines, each time. It gets noticed. Once you're good at what you do, it can't be hidden for long. You'd get recommended regularly. Now, if you're in those particular shoes and a naive, less qualified young lady gets promoted each time ahead of you because they please the boss sexaully...would you feel you deserve it? In such situation-or does this scenario sound farfetched to you? How do you correct such? By leaving the company as I mentioned in my post? How do you remove "they" and make it happen? 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:53am
Karen. I just visited your blog. The theme of this article carries through most of the first half dozen of your blogs articles too. 
 
I noticed you saying much the same things I recommended above in a few or your articles so OK, we're on the same page for the most part. 
 
Now, if you're in those particular shoes and a naive, less qualified young lady gets promoted each time ahead of you because they please the boss sexaully...would you feel you deserve it?
 
Deserve what? Being passed over? Hell no. Here's a newsflash. Happens to men too! Here's another newsflash. Many men get passed over even though they are much better at their jobs because the boss just likes the other guy better or the other guy kisses the boss's ass better. 
 
How do you remove "they" and make it happen? 
 
You don't remove the they. You don't have the power to remove "they". If you had the power you wouldn't have been passed over. They will eventually remove themselves most of the time at any rate.
 
Shit happens. Time to move on to where I'm more well liked. Done and done. 
 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:54am
Lol! Billy are you saying blacks and other non-whites are the ones that commit heinous crimes in the United States? That doesn't sound right to me. And yes, as Jeffrey mentioned- I'm African and currently in Africa as I type. 
 
Each race has their own burdensome situations to handle- Billy.  But I don't think we can all do that globally by being condescending to a certain group of individuals. That? Is what sexism does when allowed to thrive unchecked. That's is a good example and why we should fight against sexism. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 11:58am
Billy I don't believe those you mentioned are the only ones that perpetuate crimes in the U.S.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 12:11pm
From your blog:
 
First and foremost, once one enters these much dreaded numbers…30, 31, and counting… it begins to appear like one failed in life because to the African way of thinking, you should have about, 4 to 5 kids at this stage in life.
 
As funny as this may sound ( smiling as I type…) it’s the reality on ground. No matter your various achievements, no one seems to care… family maybe civilized enough not to openly inquire about your plans towards marriage or the state of ones love life as the case maybe.
 
If you are a workaholic, this might suddenly become a source of serious concern to them. Remarks like when does she go out? Lol. When was the last time she was out on a date? At this rate she may never marry becomes the murmur behind ones back.
 
Happens to men too. At least it happened to me. Imagine being the only male child. All the pressure to pass on my genetic material to the theoretical next in line. Imagine the innuendo and suggestions of certain nonexistent proclivities.  Fuck'em. They're gonna yammer regardless. 
Bill Kamps Added Apr 19, 2017 - 12:15pm
Karen, as Jeffry kind of points out, there really isnt a lot that can be done, unless you want to move to some place where the  culture is different.  Culture changes slowly, and you will likely be old and dead before it changes in your part of the world to match your sensibilities.
 
On the other hand, quite a few in WB, including Jeffry I think, have packed up and moved to someplace where the weather suits there clothes, and have been more happy.  Life is short, and we cant fix the world, we can only adapt.
 
The world is not a fair place, but the good news is that the world is a very diverse place, and its not that difficult to move your location, especially one is educated.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 12:19pm
On the other hand, quite a few in WB, including Jeffry I think, have packed up and moved to someplace where the weather suits there clothes
 
Or in some cases LACK of clothes. :)
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 12:21pm
I feel even worse at reading your second comment - Wsucram. I totally grasp where you're coming from. I liked that you prepared your daughter for what lies ahead. I'm sometimes described as "aggressive " too around here. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 12:35pm
Lol@ Jeffrey- it happens to men too? The pressure to marry and "procreate." the innuendos? Ugh! 
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 12:43pm
Billy, you said the truth. Culture changes slowly- I might not see these ones change during my life time...how I wish. So in a nutshell you are suggesting if I can't stand the heat- my best option is to leave the chimney. Lol. May not be a bad idea.
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 12:48pm
Bill, you are right. Culture changes too slowly. Let's see how it goes but if the heat becomes unbearable - I'd take my chances with other climes. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2017 - 12:55pm
Lol@ Jeffrey- it happens to men too?
 
I'm not sure if you're taking the piss or not Karen so I'll remain neutral. Let me just say this I believe you're looking for gender discrimination where it doesn't exist or at least reacting to things that aren't gender discriminatory as though they were. 
 
The universe gives back to you what you put out and think about. 
 
All the best.
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 1:10pm
That's funny- I wasnt teasing- you know? I was genuinely surprised- due to the civilized practices of the western world. I assumed no one gives a damn, if you decided to be a confirmed bachelor for life. If you were an African man I wouldn't doubt you a tiny bit. I see, I was totally wrong on that.
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 1:17pm
Jeffrey, I'm a positive lady but I hate injustice. I haven't gone through half of what I see others pass through. But it hurts me like I was literally in their shoes. 
Anyways thanks for your contributions. And we were on the same page.
Bill Kamps Added Apr 19, 2017 - 1:19pm
Karen, the pressure can come from parents or friends, or whatever. It varies quite a bit around the country. I suspect it is less intense, and less public than in Africa, but it can still happen.
 
In some rural parts if  the girls arent about to get married as they leave high school they are considered old maids.  In the cities this doesnt really happen.
 
There are the large country  wide cultural things, and then  more local customs.  In the end we just go where things make sense to us.
 
 
Dino Manalis Added Apr 19, 2017 - 1:37pm
Sexism is everywhere, men and women should respect each other, sometimes they tease each other, but it has to stop!
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 1:52pm
Bill, you understood my points right from the onset. You pointed out how some continents treats their women. Those were actually despicable- some even worse than Africa.
 
 
The insight that the pressure to marry also happens in the civilized world but not quite as intense as in Africa just shows how well you get the issues I'm against. 
Leaving such environment as you suggested seems like one's best bet. These issues wouldn't vanish overnight .
Thanks so much for your contributions. It was all quite helpful I must say.
Karen Pius Added Apr 19, 2017 - 3:16pm
I agree with you completely- Dino. The thing is- it's still boldly exhibited here in Africa. Everyone should be treated equally and respected, no matter the gender. Thanks so much- Dino, for your contribution. It means a great deal to me. Have a lovely day! 
Bill H. Added Apr 19, 2017 - 8:47pm
I worked for a boss that was an ultra-narcissistic Donald Trump clone. His only priority at the office was to conquer as many of the ladies in the office as possible. He also enjoyed describing his adventures (or fabricating stories of encounters) with all of the other directors and managers at the "mandatory" Friday after-work happy hour stop. This went on for a couple of years until finally one of the ladies got wind of the storytelling, gathered up a group of other female coworkers, and successfully sued him for a decent sum prior to his firing after over 25 years with the company. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 20, 2017 - 3:14am
Wow! I loved what those ladies did to him- Bill H. You clearly understood what I'm prattling about here. Not only would some exploit these ladies. They still bad-mouth them when with friends, every little opportunities they get. It saddens me. I wish others going through such could summon the courage to act as those ladies at your workplace did. This awful trend would grind to a halt.
 
Thanks so much for your contribution on this post! People really need to see/hear why being treated equally and respected no matter one's level is important. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 20, 2017 - 3:31am
Whoa! You talked as if you needed a pat on your back for successfully squashing this "sexism nonsense?"- Michael.  If you loved Muslim extremists that much why aren't you in the Middle East right now? Having your very own "harem" right now and treating your lady as you'd prefer?
Truth is- if this topic- these issues mentioned above makes you uncomfortable -check yourself then, because it's wrong and should be stopped. 
Thanks Michael for your contribution. It means a whole lot to me.
 
Arulnathan John Added Apr 20, 2017 - 4:48am
Considering that women "hold up half the sky" and make up half or more than half the world's population, the discrimination against them in terms of their life choices, rights, salary scales, and other aspects that should be considered as givens is deplorable and appalling!
As a man who grew up in a community with my mother and father, grandfathers and grandmothers, sister, niece and a host of male and female cousins and aunts and uncles, I never saw the need to discriminate against the female gender (and they would not have taken any nonsense from me if I had tried!). My female relatives, my mother and sister included, can and have taken the struggles of life with the best of them and they can hold their own in any crowd here or overseas.
Many of my best life lessons have been learnt from my female relatives, and I am the better for them.
I feel that men and women should take their rightful places to protect women from the shameful practices committed against them today.
Men should not be afraid to stand up for their women and protect them from the discriminatory practices done against them. Men should not be afraid to stand and speak up for the fairer sex, even if they may be a party of one. Men should also encourage and urge the women to stand up for themselves and avail themselves of education and self-improvement that will improve their status and, in so doing, raise their profile and move them towards empowerment and taking control of their own fate.
Women should encourage their peers, elders and younger ones to persevere in the struggle for equality and equal rights. This can be done through being positive role models, showing strength and inner character and informing the authorities when discriminatory or other demeaning practices are done against women.
Together men and women should stand up together and be loud and stand tall and proud against anything that demeans women. Then, and only then, will this scourge be surely eradicated!
 
 
Nancy Rexford Added Apr 20, 2017 - 6:59am
Karen, I agree that there is still rampant chauvinism and misogyny by men against women across the world.
It pains me to know that even in the united states, where we went through a period of feminist that seemed at that time to improve women's lot has faded.  We now being treated like they were in the 1950's  before the advent of feminism
It should be said that women's liberation was not equal across the USA either. In New York we were treated as equals during the height of the feminist movement in the 70's and 80's .
It was a shock to discover that nothing had changed as far as women's liberation, by that I mean autonomy, the right to choose how to live your life in Texas. Texas is still male dominated anti feminist and I doubt it will change.
I am sorry to say that although I have always held to my belief that I decide what I should do with my life whether it involves marriage, children or education most women do not. It is troubling to me that we as women feel the urge to "belong".
I have always been perplexed by women's need for validation the need to have friends, and relative/s blessings for their decisions.
I have never hesitated to call out men who try use their positions of authority to sexually harass women. It happened to me when I was in college. I turned down the invitation. I also wrote to the university, and the community college he was also teaching at. I did not ask anyone's permission to do this. As I was paying for my educating I was insulted that a professor would  try this especially as he had a wife who could take care of his sexual needs. I will say that it was the height of feminism when I did this. I know that he was not at Marist the following year.
 
At work too I have called out men who exhibit this kind of behavior. It has not made me popular but I do not think life is a popularity contest, I believe competent work is what your should be judged by not your willingness to "put out" if a man asks.
 
I am glad that I am past the age where that kind of harassment is the norm.
It pains me that feminism and the self respect women gained has been stripped away. In the united states we have laws that were enacted during the last wave of feminism that are not utilized by women to force changes in the way we are treated in the workplace. It is an irony to me that much like the laws that were enacted to combat racial discrimination; the laws that were enacted to deal with gender discrimination including sexual harassment are ignored.
Where blacks riot and set fires instead of using the laws and the courts to change things; women hide and suffer indignities in silence or quit jobs.
Women slink away and suffer in silence because instead of women rallying around a woman being harassed or discriminated against because she is female they also condemn and shun her.
I am very glad that I have never had female companions. I do not like what most women become when they amass into groups. They become dangerous to any woman who does not subscribe to their group think on an issue..
as I wrote in Is Feminism Dead in the 21st Century:
 The problem that is most distressing to me is the factionalism of the women. Instead of being one force to be reckoned with there is divide along racial, religious, social and sexual orientation. I am sure there are other divisions I missed but what it means is that little groups of women will not be able to make an impact because their numbers are too small. It also seems that many of the women are not willing to go beyond their issue to support other women with different agendas.
 I am glad I was in the second wave because it gave me autonomy over my person and assets at the time my husband died.
  Had I been in the first wave I would have been subject to my husband's brother as he would have been the male in the family. In our current era women are allowed to live alone, work, decide all issues relating to how they live. We have come a long way from the patriarchal society that ruled when my grandmother and mother were young.
My question now is do we have any issues that we can embrace and work to resolve that would set aside the factionalism I see in the movement today? Are there any problems we can come together to solve- if not the Women's Movement is dead.
 
 
 The solution which will never come to pass is for women to stop worrying about what others think of them and make individual decisions.
Autonomy is not a dirty word "what will other people /women think?" should be removed form every single female's vocabulary. 
 
 
 
Bill Kamps Added Apr 20, 2017 - 9:10am
Nancy, while I would agree there is more work to be done, to say no progress has been made, that the Women's movement is dead, is a bit of an overstatement.  Likewise, it is a an overstatement to say:
 
It was a shock to discover that nothing had changed as far as women's liberation, by that I mean autonomy, the right to choose how to live your life in Texas. Texas is still male dominated anti feminist and I doubt it will change.
 
I have lived in Texas for more than 30 years, and there has been a lot of change.  Women are far more prominent in all businesses than before and I dont think the women I know would tell you that they have no control over how to live their lives.
 
This is especially true if we really think back to how things were in the 50s, or how things are in other countries like Russia, and Eastern Europe, where they still advertise for secretaries with intimacy.
 
Having said that progress is uneven, in the US, and around the world.
 
 
 
Mike Haluska Added Apr 20, 2017 - 9:28am
Many studies have shown that when women are put in positions of power they are just as liable as men to abuse their authority via improper sexual advances.  If this issue is to be dealt with effectively it should be reported promptly and with evidence.  People coming forward 8 years later for convenient political reasons carry zero credibility with me.
Jeff Kunkel Added Apr 20, 2017 - 10:07am
Obviously, problems never just drop out of the sky. They always evolve to their present recognizable conditions. And, always, their solutions lie in understanding their philosophical origins.
 
As I see it (and, though we may not have witnessed it, personally, we can't argue that it doesn't exist), the origin of the problem of, "Sexism and Harrassments of the Female Gender in Our [American] Society," can be traced to WW II as archetyped by the propagandist, "Rosie the Riveter." Before WW II, most American women were enjoying their traditional domestic roles; even taking pride in those qualities that imbue the powerful feminine forces: striving to be good wives, mothers and indispensable domestic figures. And, predominantly, their husbands were very proud of them and appreciated them for who they were.
 
Enter gender competition and traditional role reversal:
 
Women in the American work force during WW II was intended as a temporary situation to compensate for the lack of men, most of whom were away in Europe in favor of, "The Effort." When the men returned home after the war, the women were supposed to resume their traditional domestic roles at home while the men were supposed to resume their traditional provisional roles in the work force. That never happened. Families began enjoying the additional wealth generated by two incomes while the economy adjusted by charging twice as much for everything thus creating competition between the genders in the work force.
 
The adverse gender situation created by WW II culminated with the, "Women's Liberation Movement," of the 1970's and was exacerbated by its symptomatic gender role reversal. Men were expected to be more like women and women were expected to be more like men. Does anyone remember the TV commercials featuring Joe Namath in pantyhose? Liberace in a Playtex girdle? How about the women's 'Pant Suit?' Or, the 'Leisure Suit' (aka. the women's pantsuit for men)? What about the, "Man's Purse?" Men were growing their hair long, wearing jewelry and revealing clothing a la Tom Jones while women were forsaking makeup, cropping their hair short a la Florence Henserson, burning their brassieres and wearing pants. All the while, both genders were becoming more and more unappealing to each other. Today, we've even got men applying body sprays like feminine deodorant and political leaders such as Barack Obama and John Bohner emoting like sensitive females. It's really repulsive.
 
We can't help but wonder if much of the disparity between the genders in America isn't socially engineered as an elitist 'divide and conquer' technique. Perhaps, the largest financier of the, "Women's Liberation Movement," of the 1970's was David Rockefeller. When interviewer, Aaron Russo, asked David Rockefeller why he dumped so much money into the 'Movement,' Rockefeller replied, "Because I knew it would destroy the family." Just recently, we witnessed the, "Women's March on Washington," and elsewhere. As the 'March' was traced to financier, George Soros, it's difficult not to identify it as a throwback to the 1970's. Just as well, the current, "Transgender Movement," is nothing new as exemplified above. "Here we go again." Socially, present day America feels exactly like 1968. "United we stand, divided we fall," and the elite damned surely know it.
 
Whatever the causes of, "Sexism and Harrassments of the Female Gender in Our [American] Society," the effects are genders, in large part, socially engineered to despise each other. And, I would argue that, in many cases, men suffer from the same sexism and harrassments as women.
 
Most of my life, I've made my living as a private music teacher traveling to students' homes to teach them. I can easily say that the happiest, most successful, not to mention the most affluent, families are the ones with the traditional family structures; the ones in which 'the men are men and the women are women.' For whatever reasons, when we create a society in which the genders are caused to compete with each other and to usurp each other's traditional roles - ultimately, to despise each other as well as ourselves - then we're bound to experience its symptomatic sexism, harassment and worse.
 
The solution:
 
Like the old Henny Youngman joke:
 
"I went to the doctor the other day." (Raising his elbow in the air) I said, "Doc, it hurts when I do this." The doctor said, "Don't do that anymore." (Ba dump dump). "That'll be fifty bucks." (Ba dump dump).
Karen Pius Added Apr 20, 2017 - 11:13am
Arulnathan- thank you so much! You're totally right. To eradicate this appalling trend. Everyone, male/female needs to become proactive- be loud and actually do anything within our capabilities to "create" equality for both genders. Sexism needs to stop. Condescending attitude towards the female folks in the society needs to be rooted out.
Bill H. Added Apr 20, 2017 - 11:23am
Michael B.
You should go apply for a job at Fox News.
I hear they may have an opening or two lately.
You would certainly fit right in with the "company culture".
Felicity Harley Added Apr 20, 2017 - 11:50am
All of this is opinion - just read the facts - yes women face tremendous discrimination particularly in the difference in compensation.  I've never seen this blah blah - well just because you haven't seen or experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  I've never had cancer blah blah - well does cancer exist the research proves it and so does discrimination against women worldwide.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 20, 2017 - 12:11pm
You talk about "here in Africa". Where are you ? Here in Senegal sexual harassment is not a problem. The problem are unqualified women who want to make a career by sleeping with men for a way up or are content to be wife no. 4 in order to get a ready made bed. And more than not the men accept because having 4 wives is the ultimate social success.
John Mathon Added Apr 20, 2017 - 12:38pm
Karen,
 
Your article is filled with innuendo and accusation.  You accuse men when I know it's much more complicated than that and every man and women who is even moderately honest knows this is not a trivial issue of men are horrible.  As many of the people replied to you honestly that they hadn't seen such behavior.
 
Today there is more than ever a sensitivity to behaviors you describe.  At least people are taught every day practically these issues.  It is hard for me to believe that such bias exists in such widescale ways.  
 
One of the things that was atrocious about the BLM movement is that it accused cops of racism when in fact there was no facts to back up the accusations.  2 studies came out backing the police including one from a black Harvard economist which showed white cops were less likely to pull a gun on black than white suspects.  The courts themselves failed to convict the white cops who were "manifestly guilty" by mass consensus but when in a court even with black judges and black juries were UNABLE to convict the cops.
 
In order to fix a problem you have to agree or understand what the problem is.  This was missing.  BLM and blacks generally accused cops but had no specific problems they could call out.  How exactly did the police act wrongly?  Obama said police needed to admit they were racist and Hillary said white cops could do better.  
 
These are not actionable things.  All the accusations you made did not result in any statement of exactly what you want other than like Hillary, guys act better.  That's a meaningless request and it means the problem will never be solved because nobody knows exactly what you want.  
 
If you are saying, all men need to be perfect and all cops need to be perfect then it's not possible.  You are simply complainer.  You can be ignored.  You may be pissed off and will remain pissed off like a lot of blacks thinking there is all this injustice but without any specific ideas you won't get anything done except placating remarks.  
"Oh I'm sorry.  We'll do better."
 
In the cop case BLM could have said:  "We want these specific tests performed or we want to change the rules of engagement for cops in these specific ways.  We want these laws changed.  Here is the evidence that these things are harming Blacks and if we do this it will not harm whites unduly to do them or blacks."
 
Instead what we got was black people rioting and killing whitey like the latest shootings in Fresno.  Hate inspired violence created by mindless putposeless demonstrations That incite people to hatred and general malaise without actually solving anything.
 
Like Colin Kaepernick not standing for the flag ceremony he said that things were bad.  A general statement of he doesn't like it but with no specifics we don't know what to do so Colin will ever be happy.  It is the worst kind of criticism.  Nobody needs this kind of criticism.  It's not useful and it doesn't help women either.
 
Let me consider what the possibilities are:
 
1) There isn't the widescale problem as you describe and this is simply a way for you to express hatred to men in general and undirected fears possibly from personal experience that is not generalizable and doesn't have statistical backing.
 
2) There is a problem but it is not along the lines you have described And maybe it is a fraction and shrinking.
 
3) There is a real problem.
 
The problem I have with argument 3 is that the society has been on a rampage for years about women's rights.  Men are more sensitive then ever.  We have tried to do a lot to mitigate these issues you bring up.  
 
If they have failed you have to consider if the techniques are wrong.  Maybe trying to emasculate men and constantly berate them for the failures and making them aware how they think, how they act is wrong doesn't work.
 
Hillary lost the election even with Democrats berating the public calling them deplorables and calling Trump a white supremacist misogynistic women hater and on and on.  Given such criticism if even a fraction of people actually believed such things then he should have been slaughtered.  What society would elect such an evil man especially after just having elected a black man twice?  It makes no sense.  Obviously many people simply didn't believe the accusations.
 
We have something similar here.  You can accuse and accuse and accuse all day but until you have measurable facts, with concrete data and specific actions you think will affect things everything you say is completel
Karen Pius Added Apr 20, 2017 - 12:42pm
Are you sure there are no sexual harassment cases in Senegal? Or your women over there prefer to be silent about it or be jeered, mocked or blamed for it- Stone- Eater? Why're they comfortable to become fourth wives? Tenth wives? Because you guys have succeeded in making them believe they are nothing - invisible - useless, less than scum if they not have a husband's name as their last name. You succeeded in making your women see marriage has the "greatest" achievement one can acquire in life. It has become their sole reason for existence. So now they are lazy? Wow! When you treat career women as non-entities if they're single why won't abandon career to go and do" tenth wife" for some man? 
Thanks for your contribution- Stone-Eater. Ponder on my words. What you sow is what you reap in life. You guys wanted women docile...that's what you've got now.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 20, 2017 - 1:01pm
Karen
 
You don't understand. You're using Western arguments on a culture which does not argue the same. Here the women are equal to the men. They manage the home as well as very often the salary of their husbands.
 
There is no bickering about discriminations and stuff, the roles in the family are set and NOBODY complains because they respect each others role.
 
Nothing wrong with that. A woman can work if she wants to, families are big and solidary, and "family" is not restricted to blood.
 
WE have a problem with our desperate search for individuality and appreciation while showing that individuality when queuing up for the latest iShit LOL
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 20, 2017 - 1:04pm
You guys wanted women docile....
 
If I wanted a docile woman I would have moved to Japan. Thai women are ANYTHING but docile. I had a great marriage to one Thai and I've had a great Thai gf of many years. Neither were/are docile women. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 20, 2017 - 1:04pm
BTW No woman is forced to become no.3 or 4. They do it on free will. So let them. You remind me of people who want to convert us atheists to religion by telling us how wrong we are.
 
The West has no copyright on "the right way".
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 20, 2017 - 1:11pm
BTW
 
What about your Morons, pardon me, Mormons ? Do they respect your "right way"? ;)
 
Karen Pius Added Apr 20, 2017 - 2:11pm
Lol@ morons- Stone-Eater. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 20, 2017 - 2:32pm
I so much love how you squashed the harassment issue while in college. And the proactive stance you had at your work place. 
 
We 're totally on the same page pertaining to some female colleague attitude when one challenges the status quo. When a colleague reports a harassment issue, instead of being supportive, they become detractors.
" I don't like what most women become when they amass in groups. They become dangerous to any woman who doesn't subscribe to their group think on an issue." I agree. I though I was the only one that noticed. Some 're so in need of validation from others that they can never speak out if they slightly suspect it won't be popular
opinion. 
 
Thanks so much for your contribution- Nancy. It means a great deal to me.
Karen Pius Added Apr 20, 2017 - 2:45pm
You handled the college incident quite well- Nancy. I wish more women would do something or at least speak up when harassed or when experiencing sexism. It would go a long way in eradicating it from our midst.
Those that have never experienced any of these issues tend to aggressively condemn those speaking up against it. Must we act only when things deteriorates to insufferable?
Karen Pius Added Apr 20, 2017 - 2:57pm
John- peruse this article once more. I'm afraid you didn't grasp the depth of the issues being discussed. I'm not using solely personal experience to judge anything. Just because a lot of women never speak up after being raped or harassed, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. That- you're not aware it's happening, doesn't stop these things from happening. 
 
Sexism is wrong but as Bill rightfully said. It should be blamed on people's culture. Which I agree. A culture that sees women as inferior wouldn't fathom why anyone would want equality. 
 
Thanks for your contribution. It means a lot to me.
Nancy Rexford Added Apr 20, 2017 - 6:43pm
Bill even the strong women in Texas seem to defer to men on some issues. Even if you look at some of the prominent women in Texas there is still the bringing out the kids or grand kids to show that while they have strength they are still mommies too.
 
If you think the death statement is too harsh, there has still been a stagnation of the feminism I expected would be the norm now.  Strong women who were able to stand on their own and not use the what I call "feminine" traits like motherhood to retain the girly mystique
Nancy Rexford Added Apr 20, 2017 - 6:54pm
Karen it might have been easier at Marist than at other universities. The year before I started there it had been an all male catholic brothers college.
 
The added women and I would guess that they did not want Marist to be tarnished by having instructors who could not keep their urges in check.  It would have been disastrous if they had not handled the problem I raised.
 
I know they handled things because the professor who was head of the Criminal Justice program - he was one of my professors asked me about the incident. Asked why  I did not come to him- I told him it was up to Marist to discipline instructors not his.  
 
It is nice to find a like minded woman, for me too.
Nancy Rexford Added Apr 20, 2017 - 6:55pm
Karen hope you also looked at my recent article of feminism
Nancy Rexford Added Apr 20, 2017 - 6:57pm
Stone,  your intimation that women are equal - but still choose to sleep their way to a good job shows that women are unequal or they would not need to use that strategy for getting ahead!
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 20, 2017 - 7:53pm
Nancy
 
It's simply easier and more comfy than use non-existing brain LOL
 
Nancy Rexford Added Apr 20, 2017 - 9:11pm
Stone, perhaps they are taught to use this strategy. In my grandma's day women like that were called many derogatory names and looked down on by "decent" women.
Me I am glad I had to use my brain  it ages less visibly than the physical body does.
 
 
 
John Mathon Added Apr 21, 2017 - 12:52pm
Karen,
 
i don't doubt that it happens.  I dated a girl once who was abused.  My sister was abused by her cousin.  If you are asking for no abuse, great we all want that.  
 
What i"m saying is that we can't make advance without knowing exactly what the problem we are trying to solve is and then measuring.
 
There is no doubt a cultural impact on what people want to achieve.
 
We have a tendency to make these blanket accusations lately.  That is the main thing that is wrong.  These problems are very complex and just blaming one sex or race or whatever is no better than racism.  
 
I will admit men are more violent than women generally.  If women think they want a society with docile men that's going to be hard to achieve.  Yet, the vast vast majority of men in america at least are aware of the issues and don't do it.  
 
One thing that disturbs me is the opposite.  I've seen 7 men who have been accused of harassment at work and fired summarily.  This was at 2 different companies.  I know in one case all the guy did was ask for a date by email twice.  The emails weren't salacious or threatening.  In many colleges and companies today a women needs to simply file a complaint about a man and his career can be ruined possibly for life.   The gentleman who lost his job after 2 emails rebounded and moved across the country.  I don't know about the others.  
 
I have heard of many instances in college of guys who are ejected from college and their lives essentially destroyed because a women complained.  The colleges and companies don't seem to have even any pretense of defense for the man.  They don't really listen or give any credence to the man's side.
 
Of course I realize some men are rapists and there is misunderstanding by men what they can do and can't.  Men are expected to be the aggressors in relationships.  Man have higher testosterone and are more violent in general which leads to more crimes of all types.  On the other hand men contribute to the society as much or more than women.  This may change and maybe some societies will see more women building companies, defeating enemies in war, creating the tools to advance the world.  There are some and I certainly am supportive, but I'm saying that saying men are all bad is just as bad as women are inferior.  
 
What we need to know is what it is that we as a society want and then measure it and improve it and stop making general statements that aren't useful and are essentially a form of racism whether applied against men or women.
Beem Weeks Added Apr 21, 2017 - 1:37pm
Sexism and harassment is just something I'm not seeing in my corner of the world. I worked for years in an office setting. The women ruled that place. They were the ones getting promoted because they were the ones working hardest for advancement. It's a shame everybody clings to victim status as a means to get and gain in the world today. Does sexism still exist? Certainly. However, it is nowhere near the level it is claimed to be. 
John Mathon Added Apr 21, 2017 - 6:07pm
Beem, you have to understand that the filter bubble media want to keep pushing the identity politics thing.  The essence of this is that every group suffers some ignominy from some other group.  Thus, blacks need to riot when they see a black being killed and women need to riot when they feel they aren't making as much as they should.
 
Objective measures aren't important because trying to use objective discussion might lead to criticism of the identity group.  There might be a reason blacks are harassed by cops more.  Look at this professor who once used IQ measurements.  He can't get a speaking engagement without rioting.  Of course we don't want to hear that one group has cultural or other issues that hamper them but without knowing the problem we are trying to solve and what the problems in achieving it are we can't possibly succeed.  
 
It's not nice to hear you need to pick jobs other than nursing say to earn more or that taking off time for a baby or dropping your career might make people skeptical but without knowing what is causing people to do what they do or how they do it we can't solve it.  We don't have to be accusatory when we have this information.   Some societies are saying that to equalize the sexes they will give men more time off for babies so it doesn't always turn to women.  
 
I don't believe there is massive racism in america.  We elected a black president.  I thought part of the purpose of doing that was to say america had evolved.  Now we hear we're more racist than ever practically.  I don't believe it.  I think blacks don't achieve equal results all the time but many blacks achieve incredible things, including Barrack Obama.  But he's not the only one.  Many blacks are millionaires.  It's possible to succeed here and be black.  There are many many middle class successful blacks.
 
However, it is not likely a hip hop guy in the ghetto who never gets educated well and maybe isn't motivated because the culture discourages it or that you live in an area with lots of other criminals and drugs which you are very likely to get involved in more probabilistically means that you probably aren't going to get that 6 figure corporate job.  If families are destroyed and you live in an environment with others who are involved in crime how do you avoid being involved?  
 
There are structural problems.  We should relax drug laws in my opinion.  We need to prevent people in inner cities getting involved in the criminal justice system so easily.  Being involved in the criminal justice system is practically a death sentence for your career.  We can't make advancement while we put so many black kids in jail.  We don't want them committing crimes either but drugs being expensive makes it lucrative and necessary to be involved in drugs.  It's a viscous circle.  
 
Not one planned by white people or supported but a structural problem that we should strive to find a solution to.  I believe we can make huge gains under Trump.  Maybe frisk and release is the right policy.  It worked for Giuliani and if we can get crime down and death down dramatically in the inner city the prospect of black people will improve dramatically.  I don't believe blacks are inherently more violent.  When you look outside inner cities we don't see such high crime rates.  
 
For women and rape this is complex too.  I really don't have a clue how or why people rape.  Everything related to sex in our society is poorly understood.  People are extremely deceptive about the subject in all ways.  I can't say much that makes any sense.  
 
On the other hand I agree with you.  There is not much evidence it is getting worse that I see and that is counterintuitive given the pressure all over to punish everyone who even harasses a woman in the slightest.  If it is getting worse I would wonder if the effort to demonize it is backfiring.  Trying to initimidate people to think a certain way doesn't work.  Look at the latest election.  People said they were undecided and then went to the polls 80% of undecideds switching to Trump supposedly.  I don't think anyone believes that.  They were intimidated to say they were with trump.  
 
Lying to oneself is not useful.  Intimidation and lecturing is not going to work.  We need to understand what we want to do, what is really happeneing and then trying solutions, measuring results and keep going until we improve.  Blaming everyone and identity politics is unconstructive.
Karen Pius Added Apr 22, 2017 - 4:27am
John- the thing is most of you viewed this thread through your personal binoculars on how things are in you the US. I'm not even feminist fanatic but I do believe staunchly in treating women "equally" at workplace, businesses, politics and so forth. However my outcry was concentration was on Africa where I'm at the moment.
 
An African who says he doesn't see the ill in marrying off a twelve/thirteen year old to some pedophile ranging from 45 to 70 or more years old is quite delusional. You know, John-most time we talk about rape- men get defensive- wondering when ladies encounter all such thing they whine ceaselessly about. The truth is that the numbers of women who gets raped by someone they knew is quite larger than those raped randomly on a dark alley and such places.
 
As for the harassment at one's place of work. I mentioned it's almost a norm down here for a boss to bed has secretary and any other female staff that caught his fancy. There 're no jobs so these women are afraid to lose the one they've got. And my you speak up against this trend you're seen as a trouble maker- you'd be mocked, belittled. You instantly become a pariah in that organization for daring to question why the superior should exploit his staffs. This happens a lot within the private sector. Succumb to the pressure to bed your superior whenever he feels like or quit. Go find another job. 
 
These and more were the reasons for this article. US as I see it has come along way. Among the continents I have observed that the states treat women better. It's almost like in the U.S men don't want women "trouble" so they're very careful around women, so as not to aggrieve the women folks.
 
Thanks so much -John for your contribution. 
Karen Pius Added Apr 22, 2017 - 6:11am
No one is clinging to victimization here- Beem. Don't compare the civilization and fair treatment of women in the U.S to Africa please. 
Applying for a job of a secretary currently in Africa, it's assumed you'd gratify your boss' sexual urge each time the need arises. Due to the economic hardship- ladies succumb to such pressure believing they had no "choice." The ones that stood their ground and resisted to be exploited face hell at work. This scenario is also applicable to other female staffs not just the secretaries.
 
This is real-Beem. The States have come a long way in treating women better than some other continents. That doesn't mean sexism and harassment has gone into extinction. 
 
Thanks for your contribution -Beem
The Other Side Added Apr 22, 2017 - 2:42pm
Karen, are you yourself a victim of SH? This sounds academic. Like a lot of talking points that you pulled from from mainstream media. I can assure you that where I work there is NO, ZERO, sexual harassment. In fact, in my industry I haven't seen SH for 20 years. Just the thought of SH is considered a quaint 1950s/60s state of mind. Something you watch on Mad Men. 
 
Just wondering where you're getting all this.
 
That closer was a groaner: "I implore all men in general to be considerate and sensitive to women’s plight in the society." Eyes rolled to the back of my head. You implore us? Really? That is so bad it could be mistaken for trolling.
mark henry smith Added Apr 22, 2017 - 4:49pm
The solution is not to assume that men and women are the same, and not to assume that women are right and men are wrong.
 
The reason men behave the way they do is because they have success behaving that way, which means they get what they want. For every woman who rejects the asshole at the office who has power and uses it to get sexual access, there is one who will use that attention to get what she wants. That's why it exists. It's not one or the other, it's a collaborative effort. And that will never change. An attractive woman can trade her ability to make men desire her into a position of privilege. It's the reality of existence. And the men who want that woman know that she might not accept the invite, but if you are well positioned, what does it matter if she rejects you? Yeah, she goes running to someone and says, "I've been harassed." SO?
 
As Jeffry, I think, points out, in many business situations, all of us face harassment of some type. It goes with the territory.
 
Have you listened to popular songs? Hip-hop, rap? These songs are filled with misogynistic messages and I hear young girls singing them.    
Karen Pius Added Apr 22, 2017 - 4:55pm
The other side- first of all, I hope you're living in Africa too because I'm an African and I live there too. Secondly, yes. I'm talking from experience and sadly I'm not the only one that've gone through that. The difference is, in my case. I refused to be cowed, instead I left that particular job. Most won't talk about it due to people's attitudes towards any situation they do not wish to confront. Just as some of you've done here on this thread. If you've never been to Africa or lived there, then why the skepticism?
You can visit my site and see for yourself what I'm about. What's needed here, frankly are solutions to curb this trend and not sceptics.  
The Other Side Added Apr 22, 2017 - 5:06pm
I can't speak for Africa. Sorry. I understand there is great gender discrimination in Africa and you have my support. It sounded like you were making a blanket statement about women everywhere.
John G Added Apr 23, 2017 - 4:15am
The Female Gender
You mean the female sex. Gender is a language descriptor.
The Other Side Added Apr 23, 2017 - 4:22am
Thanks grammar Nazi. This site could not function without you.
John G Added Apr 23, 2017 - 4:27am
OK it was pedantic but I don't care. The Americanism was the standout feature of your piece.
Beem Weeks Added Apr 23, 2017 - 2:43pm
Karen, if you'll re-read my comment, you will find that I clearly state sexism still exists. I never said it doesn't. Nor do I mention Africa anywhere in my above statement. Not sure where you're coming from with that comment (scratching my head with a "WTF?" look on my face). Yes, there ARE all sorts of people clinging to victim status in the U.S. I see them every day. I hear their complaints (mostly ridiculous and without merit). But you have yourself a great day.
Felicity Harley Added Apr 23, 2017 - 2:55pm


For Women, It’s Not Just the O’Reilly Problem

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Bill O’Reilly’s ouster from Fox NewsWednesday — nine months after similarly lurid charges of sexual harassment forced the resignation of Roger Ailes, the Fox chief executive — has opened another window into sexual abuse of women at Fox and in the workplace generally.
The serial nature of the alleged abuse, as well as Fox’s response to it, is also a reminder that exposing wrongdoing is no guarantee of change.
When Fox said on Wednesday that it was severing ties with Mr. O’Reilly after a “thorough and careful review of the allegations,” it neglected to note that the scrutiny was not prompted by the allegations themselves — which the company already knew about — but by the defections of dozens of advertisers from “The O’Reilly Factor” and a drop in the company’s stock price. Fox heaped praise on Mr. O’Reilly in announcing his departure. In all, the company has paid at least $85 million to resolve sexual abuse scandalsinvolving Mr. Ailes and Mr. O’Reilly. Of that sum, as much as $65 million went to the two men, in the form of exit pay.
That’s not deterrence, let alone true accountability. It is, however, a good illustration of the entrenched reality of practices that have discounted, demeaned and derailed women’s work lives for decades. Those practices include not only sexual harassment, but also persistent disparities in pay and promotion, as well as structural impediments — in child care, scheduling and other workplace policies.
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Eileen de Bruin Added Apr 27, 2017 - 12:46pm
An interesting thread that sees me back at wb having been occupied for some weeks elsewhere, hello! Perhaps it is our ongoing evolvement and part of realising that "equality" and "same" are not synonyms.
Equality of dealing with someone, by someone else, is a measure of respect. Within this context, we do not need to be treated in the same way. That is to say how we speak to someone who is cleaning a house, someone who is sitting at a cashier desk or someone who is teaching us or a doctor guiding us - can contain our respect, irrespective of who they are and whether they are male or female.
Yes, the "war" of the sexes goes on. Yes, in certain cultures there is a clear bowing or kow-towing to the male dominated culture. In any marriage there is the female and the male orientated energies and hormones and physicalities. Being aware of all of these things is important. In our "western" cultures, we women have now achieved so much freedom of choice it makes me so happy! To be able to take control of our own lives with the backing of the law shows how far we have progressed. If we compare this with some Middle Eastern cultures, then we are leagues' ahead. There are a few cultures that are matriarchal too. (In Anglo-Saxon England, women were much more equally viewed (even though they were not expected to fight in the battle field) than after William the Conqueror came from Normandy! He put culture back to the subservience of the woman! It is a question of historical fact, not whether I "agree" with it or not, it just is. I do not view history as "right" or "wrong" - it just is as it is. We can learn from it all. Or not.
To come to the kern of this initial article and the thread, I would say that you have a point Karen. I love your surname "Pius" and very pious you might be! Just kidding and smiling. Yes, there is discrimination - a fact of life. Can you honestly say that you never, ever discriminate on the basis of group, gender, age, political orientation, class or pride? I cannot honestly say this about myself because these are natural things to do. But I can honestly address this within myself and acknowledge the presence of these characteristics.
They are normal characteristics. Pretending we do not have them is not helping evolution and it is not helping the balance in our everyday lives and working policies and families and societies.
There is ageism, class, the old boys' networks and on and on, which, often, women support anyway, even if subtly by not wishing for a female to take over a position above them, for example. There are old girls' networks too - even if more hidden, not as transparent as their male counterparts' networks, but they are there. We should not assume that, as a given, one woman would support either the cause of women in general, or any woman in particular. There are a whole range of complex psychologies working here. Women can be very cruel in bringing down another woman who poses herself as a threat, in that she is assertive and direct. She might not be allowed to be thus by her own woman colleagues! She might be labelled aggressive and rude.
But the fundamental issue in all of this is, I believe, a certain fear from a male dominated industry and our cultures. Why? Because they are still expected to provide a home, protect the children in a marriage and take the lead, giving good sex and taking the dominant route to do so - sex, in itself, involves both conquering and subjugation but it is not "wrong" - it is a coming together of the amazing and clashing facets of the masculine and the feminine - each incomplete without the other! Look at the Yin and the Yang. It comes together in its sign, each complementing the other.
We women might complain about being treated not "equally" but we forget, at the same time, to look at the underlying fears that will emerge from the male counterparts. If a man treats a woman "equally" he is threatening the male controlling facet which is attractive to a woman. Women love powerful men! It is sexy! Let's say it!. They do not want to marry a "weakling" do they? So, we put men in a quandary because these deeply cultural and psychological drivers are not addressed at all! (Hey look at your First Lady and President for the most apt encapsulation of this phenomenon acting out in reality today!) Look at the James Bond figure and the women who fall for him.......and on and on......
And, yes, a woman can, conceivably, work, provide a home, produce children and pursue a career. An emerging context is a situation where a man isn't even "needed".
It is too simple to call on feminism and feminists and use the argument of giving equal treatment and opportunity to women. It is a far more complex subject than this. I am fully aware, by the way, that violence - be it physical, sexual, verbal, psychological - towards women in the workplace and home goes on and I am not implying that this is "right" - it is wrong ful
Eileen de Bruin Added Apr 27, 2017 - 12:56pm
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it is wrong full stop. (It can happen to men, actually; it is less known about because for a man to admit being bullied by a woman, his wife or whomever implies that he will be considered not strong for a man!) Violence can be psychological bullying from a woman to a man; the physical bullying might be less, but even it still can happen. Caroline Ahern was physically violent with her husband (recent story).
 
It is about respect and being honest with ourselves. It is not about a woman having to be "better" than a man to get on in careers; it is about understanding what we women actually "want". It is about society addressing the masculine and the feminine and not expecting each to have the same facets but realising that there is a complement going on if we would but open it up.
Let's go very deep here and ponder. Can we be honest with ourselves?
Karen Pius Added Apr 27, 2017 - 2:18pm
I understand what you meant, I think- Eileen. The thing is- if you've never been harassed at your workplace, you may not truly understand that feeling of helplessness. Especially in an African setting where the law has not done enough to protect you like in some other continents where laws and women rights groups 're ready to jump to your defense. Secondly, you're filled with anxiety because if things persist- you aren't even such you could get another job if you tried.
 
U.S has made tremendous efforts to curb sexism and harassment but I am not in U.S and I have experienced first hand what I'm talking about. Theoretically it all sound easy but, come live in a city where your boss harasses you at will- simply because he can get away with it. Or where your twelve years old daughter is given off in marriage to a man old enough to be her granddad. Or a place where you lose all your properties to your in-laws once you're widowed, no matter how little your kids are. This things happens regularly here. All because you're viewed as inferior to men. Only then will you begin to grasp what I'm on about, on here. 
 
Thanks so much for your contribution - Eileen. It means a great deal to me. Do have a nice day!
Karen Pius Added Apr 27, 2017 - 2:36pm
Eileen, I don't think any American whether in support of "equal" right or not would support taking away properties and any monetary value owned by a diseased- sharing it among his extended families while his own kids and widow're excluded. Don't forget this widow may have contributed in the spoils they have gathered to share. What can she do? To her, she's got no choice. Now left with kids of tender ages to fend for themselves.  So- you see? What you imagine when talking about "equality " and the reality staring us in the face here aren't the same.
Eileen de Bruin Added Apr 27, 2017 - 3:43pm
Karen honey, where is your society that you  mention?  I have not responded on a level playing field.  What you are talking about is due to the laws of the country and the society in which you are living.
No, it is not right that you are harassed because your boss can get away with it and because you are under threat. It is also not right where your twelve year old daughter is given away in marriage to anyone let alone a man old enough to be her grand father.
 
I am listening and I am always thankfully aware that I am living in a very modern and enlightened society, on the whole.  I have free choices and may assert my rights and my will. The law will support me.
 
I am aware of societies and cultures where this is not possible for women in the Middle East and in Africa; other places too including parts of Russia etc.. I would not wish to live in those places at all. I am thankful and aware of what we do have.  So, yes, what I am understanding from you now is that you are feeling very exasperated in a very challenging situation and life.
 
I wish that I could help.
Eileen de Bruin Added Apr 30, 2017 - 12:46pm
Karen, I have been thinking about you.  
 
Today, I read the article - in a news paper about the Italian woman
"Gessica Notaro (who) has become the face of a campaign to end violence against women"
 
In Italy, violence against women and particularly throwing acid on them to disfigure them or worse, is on the increase. The fear that this woman went through having been stalked by her boyfriend, for a long time before disaster struck, is untenable. The police had been informed of her fears and she took to wearing a helmet whilst going to the car.  She is but 26 years of age and has decided to show herself and her disfigurement in the hope of raising awareness about this intolerable situation. She - nor anyone - cannot deserve this because a thwarted boyfriend (they lived together for three years) can treat her like a chattel or a slave or a personal object and maim her.
 
"She revealed her horrific injuries for the first time when she appeared on Italy’s Maurizio Constanzo chatshow, and told viewers: “I want you to see what he did to me. This isn’t love.”
 
The case has captured the public’s attention in a country where attacks involving cheap and easily obtainable corrosive liquids are on the rise. There were 27 registered assaults in 2016, compared with eight in 2013, according to data provided by police to SOS Stalking, an organisation set up to support the victims of harassment.
This figure may pale in comparison with England, where in London alone there were 454 such attacks last year. But within the context of Italy’s high rate of femicide – 116 women were killed by their partners or ex-partners between January and November last year, according to figures from the national statistics agency – the phenomenon is worrying."  (Source Guardian newspaper online.)
 
And then, further to realise how many attacks against women occur in the UK, makes me sit up and think well beyond my idealist and arrogantly philosophical view point. 
 
There is a huge issue about women being subject to the rule of the male dominated societies and the violence thereof if they choose to live independently and follow their own wishes.  I agree with you Karen, there are huge issues to be dealt with.  
 
But first, society has to accept that there is an issue, raise public awareness and then encourage the debates.
 
 
Eileen de Bruin Added Apr 30, 2017 - 12:48pm
Sorry, let me correct the issue in the UK which I have stated, giving the wrong impression.  Acid attacks have seriously increased but they tend to be between gangs of men. 
 
All else is what I intended.