Blogging stuff: Religion

Along with the other trends in following I mentioned recently, I feel that I have to mention something else that is beginning to reappear at a rather alarming rate. I have noticed that some followers and commenters lately have been of the ‘Bible-bashing’ variety.


Personally, I do not think that blogging is the place to expound your religious ideas, or attempt to convert those who do not share them. I don’t mean those general bloggers who also mention going to church, attending Easter services, or enjoying a family christening. You know the sort I mean.

Their blogs are full of fire and brimstone, thanking the Lord for everything that happened, including that morning’s sunrise. They often blame natural disasters and terrorist incidents on God’s displeasure, and warn that only bad things will happen unless we all start to believe in the same things as them. These blogs are often disguised. They have innocuous names that do not mention religion, or gods. Click on the blog to leave a ‘thank you’ for following, and you will see that it is comprised almost entirely of fiery scripture quotes, and entreaties for you to do things like ‘follow the right path.’


They mean the same path as them, of course.


I have no issues with religious people. Many find real comfort from their religion, and it helps them lead a happier life. Some take inspiration from religion to do good things, and others are peaceful and contemplative because of their beliefs. I would not use this blog to attack them, and I certainly would not use it to try to stop them believing in their gods. On the other hand, as an atheist I do not appreciate being lectured to about something I have no interest in.


I know, I don’t have to read them. And I don’t. But I do not like the way that they ‘sneak in’ by commenting on posts, and by having blog names that disguise their true purpose. So, at the risk of upsetting some genuine people, and perhaps losing many potential new ‘followers’, I have this to say to them.


1) If you are a fundamentalist religious person, please ignore my blog.
2) Do not like or comment on my posts as a way of getting me to look at your own blog.
3) Please do not follow my blog in the hope of being followed back. It will never happen.
4) Use a title for your blog that gives you away for what you are, instead of concealing the fact.
5) Enjoy your religion. Say your prayers and thanks. Go to your meetings, or whatever it is you do.


Believe in what you want to believe, and live a long and happy life. But just leave the rest of us alone to follow a different path. The one we have chosen.


Dino Manalis Added Apr 20, 2017 - 9:07am
The Bible is the foundation for Christians; Jews; and Muslims, a guiding number of lessons for life.  Religion gives us hope and endurance, because science and money aren't enough!
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Apr 20, 2017 - 9:31am
Welcome here and thanks. Good to see another enlightened spirit :)
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Apr 20, 2017 - 9:34am
At a certain age you shouldn't need guidance anymore. If you do, something went wrong ;)
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 20, 2017 - 9:59am
We have a few on WB that insist on the JayZUZ lense and are as always a small yet bothersome component. That said, it's their right to espouse their nonsense just as much as anyone has the right to be bored to tears with it.
Mircea Negres Added Apr 20, 2017 - 10:22am
It takes all sorts to make a world, I guess. The best we can do is write what we think, then let readers to make up their own minds afterwards without threats of hellfire and damnation conjured by the febrile imaginations of other writers. Nice post, good points. Welcome to Writer Beat.
George N Romey Added Apr 20, 2017 - 11:09am
Good article.  I believe that if someone's religious faith gives them comfort and inspiration great for them.  I have issues when they try to tie it to morality, which happens here a lot on WB.
martin macrae Added Apr 20, 2017 - 11:23am
I think there can be no comfort from unprovable, unverifiable stories recentl made up: superbeings.
Religions are usually taught to childern because they lack  the ablity to spot its deficiencies. The are taught they are the chosen ones with all others as bad. Can you seriosuly think this can bode well? Are there wars about who has the better superbeing?   Instead of having to put up with inadaquate answers from a cleric, decide for youself what is true. Superbeing stories from the past are unprovable. It is difficult to beleive in superbeings when you study where we came from. The idea of superbeings  may  please the feeble minded, but hardly compete with facts.
beetleypete Added Apr 20, 2017 - 11:43am
Thanks to everyone who has commented, especially those kind enough to add a welcome to me on this platform.
I will reiterate what I said in the blog post. It is not my intention to try to stop people believing in anything they like. I am just tired of those who think it is perfectly OK to pretend to like posts on my blog, or to comment on posts by way of some kind of subterfuge.
If you really believe in what you are on about, then call your blog something appropriate, like "Believe what I believe, or perish in the flames of Hell".
Something like that...
Best wishes to you all. Pete.
Billy Roper Added Apr 20, 2017 - 2:54pm
Stone, that would make you an anarchist, then, correct?
beetleypete Added Apr 20, 2017 - 3:37pm
Not an Anarchist, but definitely an Atheist, Billy. Always have been, for as long as I can remember.
Regards, Pete.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Apr 20, 2017 - 3:44pm
In the real sense that I reject hierarchy yes. Atheist and anarchist. The first is logic and realistic for me, the second a nice illusion.....
beetleypete Added Apr 20, 2017 - 6:16pm
Stone and Billy.
Sorry to confuse the replies and comments. I am new here, and still trying to discover how it works...Apologies, Pete.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 21, 2017 - 1:39pm
The basic problem with religion is that most people only understand the version meant for six year olds and use that to discredit it. It used to be that you would go to church and really learn things about life. Churches, like every other institution, have been destroyed by the Jew.
beetleypete Added Apr 21, 2017 - 1:50pm
Hi Doug.
Of course, I am not religious, but it does occur to me that Jesus started life as a Jew, as did his disciples.
And from what I have seen (at least in England) there are plenty of churches that have not been destroyed by anyone, let alone Jewish people. 
Steve Bergeron Added Apr 21, 2017 - 2:52pm
Hey, Beetleypete!
   Happy to have you on board!  I think it would be difficult to be an atheist, with all of the evidence of an Almighty Creator, unless, of course, you weren't aware of the evidence. :)   The best atheists can say, scientifically, is "We don't know."  Science cannot disprove God. Yet, existence of God is the best explanation for the creation of the universe out of nothing. (See the Big Bang theory, created by Fr. Georges Lemaitre.)  Keep in mind that when serious people talk about God, we're not talking about someone living in the clouds.  Human language, when insufficient, often uses metaphors, etc., to explain things that can't be fully explained with language.  We do this with children, when we're trying to teach them.  What serious believers mean, when they refer to God, is as St. Thomas Aquinas said, "Imsum esse subsistens" or the very act of being itself.  In other words, everything that exists, exists in, with, and through God, who willed it into being...out of nothing.  But, a blog is very insufficient to properly cover this topic...
    What do you think happens when we die?  There have been some serious studies of what is referred to as "near death experiences" where folks medically die (no heart activity, no brain activity, eyes fixed and dilated, etc.), that give strong evidence that we continue to exist after our death.  Not just one or two cases, but thousands, with common experiences.  Many can not be explained except in terms that we exist after death.  For example, people blind from birth, with no color reference whatsoever, die, come back, and report in a referential way, color.  For example, "The doctor's shirt was the same color as the nurse's eyes."  
    Don't shortchange  yourself.  There's a lot more to our existence as humans than just this life and this earth.  :)
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:16pm
beetleypete you have attracted the attention of one of WB's more insistent thumpers now. Always banging on about "you better get right with jayZUZ". BLAH Blah blah.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:23pm
Evidence ? It's not the best explanation for a 'creation' but the simplest one :) Where is the proof that it came out of nothing ? Is "nothing" nothing ? Maybe what we perceive as nothing is simply out of reach for our senses and tools.
But that doesn't mean there's a creator. And that creator would require something that created it and and and....
So what is "nothing" ? 
BTW: A creator is human arguing and does not apply to nature. That's our problem. We apparently can't get out of that scheme.
mark henry smith Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:28pm
Yeah, I've been pummeled by the Bible beaters, told every word is true and if I don't believe that I'm going to hell. Now that's childish.
But it's also childish to say that I have no interest in one of life's great questions, maybe the greatest question. What is the source of my authority to speak on any subject? Isn't that what these religious fanatics are saying? Here is my source, it is THE source, no other source needed.
And I say, a source is a source of course of course, and no one can show you a talking source, unless the source is the source you force from your own talking head.
I do believe in God, an all-powerful being, but this God is not an idiot. He doesn't write scripts for a living. From what I understand about this being (he/she/it/indeterminate it) is it created logic for us to use in our quest for understanding and I don't care if someone believes or doesn't believe in ghosts, fairies, God, whatever, as long as they believe in logic. That's what really scares me in the modern world, the lack of the ability of most people I meet to be able to argue logically. Beetlelypete, your logic is noted.     
beetleypete Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:39pm
Mircea, thanks very much for your reasonable comment, and your welcome to me too. I have a feeling that I won't be around here for that long. Life's too short for most of this stuff...
beetleypete Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:41pm
George. N Thanks for the comment. I hadn't realised that this forum was going to actually be one of the places where the very people I wrote about tend to hang out. A least you wrote a sensible reply.
beetleypete Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:43pm
Mark Henry. My article is about people who bombard my blog with their beliefs. It appears that I have flushed quite a few of those out, on this forum. So thanks for the comment, but I doubt I will be around here much longer.
beetleypete Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:45pm
Jeffry Gilbert. Thanks for the warning. I was asked permission to have this published here, I didn't seek the privilege, I assure you. I really cannot be bothered to give these people another reason to spout their stuff.
beetleypete Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:47pm
Steve. Please read it again. I am not trying to convince you not to believe in what makes you feel better, so please don't try to convince me about what you believe. You are wasting your time. And that you can believe.
beetleypete Added Apr 21, 2017 - 3:48pm
Stone-Eater. I wish you well, and thanks for your kind words. But I am out of here. I have too much going on in my life, to be bothered with all this. 
Steve Bergeron Added Apr 21, 2017 - 5:18pm
Hey, Stone!
   I'm happy to see you're alive and well!  Science says that the universe isn't but about 13-14 billion years old.  Before that, there was nothing.  Read George Lemaitre's Big Bang theory.  It basically holds that the universe basically just "appeared."  There is also a plethora of evidence that not only was the universe "created" but it was created by an intelligent being.  Intelligent design explains how the entire universe "fits" all together.  It cannot be that the entire, integrated universe accidentally happened, out of nothingness.  It was clearly designed.  I think there's a lot more information out there that can be easily had.  But none of it points to an accidental universe. :)
   Don't let the lions and hyenas get you! 
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Apr 21, 2017 - 6:02pm
Thanks for that :) Even though we're on different sides on this. You'd be a good discussion partner for my Muslim business partner. He's a devout muslim and I accept that no problem since he's open to everything and sees his religion in tune with the great philosophers.
Talk about metaphores ;)
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Apr 21, 2017 - 6:03pm
Just hang in some more. We don't have only god and Trump to offer...
Steve Bergeron Added Apr 21, 2017 - 6:36pm
Hey, Stone!
    If you want to intrigue your Muslim partner, ask him, "just out of curiosity" why Jesus is mentioned in the Koran more than Mohammed (25 vs 5), and why the Virgin Mary is only woman mentioned by name in the Koran.  See what he says...  ;)
martin macrae Added Apr 22, 2017 - 5:06am
Well, Steve B, you cannot dissprove a negative. This logical fact does not prove the existance of superbeings. A superbeing turning up doing tricks would be proof, please ask your favourate superbeing to pop by and do some tricks, then belif will not be needed.
Thre is no evidence anywhere of a superbeing making things up for us, the evolution of life-forms is there for you to study if you want.
Life for most is a struggle, and allways ends the same way, If there were superbeings doing this, they woyld be very cruel for providing environments so hostile. I could easily make up a far more comfortable world for all, -better than any superbeing, making me suerior to any 'superbeing'
No proff of any kind, outside is own made-up  texts, show the existance of any superbeing, no matter how 'tear-jerking' the texts appear.  Peripheral proof, comming from other quarters is used to validae many historical stories, the superbeing ones do not have this.
Humans, different from other animals made of the same stuff: they demand explanations, As I said before, observation an measurement can be used to provide this, no intervention by superbeings required.
Irational belief, perhaps, is a kind of mental illness,  abandoning the evidenc of ones own eyes and following dictates that cannot be validated.
martin macrae Added Apr 22, 2017 - 5:07am
Hello Steve B, please provide exact detais how anything was 'designed' by a superbeign, and I will describe how it happened.
Ryan Messano Added Apr 22, 2017 - 5:15am
A little philosophy leadeth to atheism, but depth in philosophy leadeth to religion.
Francis Bacon.
Stone-Eater Friedli afronum Added Apr 22, 2017 - 6:12am
Philosophy in religion is accepted and useful but we don't need fairytales constructed around it to make it understandable for illiterates LOL
Means that philosophy itself is largely sufficient.
Martin Moe Added Apr 22, 2017 - 1:55pm
Beetleypete, if you’re still around. There are many skilled, proficient, and  antagonistic contrarians out in great new world of the internet. Whatever their position on whatever issue, they delight in insult and belittlement rather than reasoned and open discourse on the merits of the argument. There are extremes on both sides of many issues, everything from which is better, Fords or Chevys, sirloin or ribeye, New York or Chicago, Red Sox or Yankees, and on and on. But of course religion and the many aspects of belief and unbelief are always on with a quick trigger to argument and insult at the suggestion of difference. Religion is an emotional, and often actual, battleground for differing faiths and absence of faith and it is often tied into culture and country, a good vs evil confrontation. The thing is; when belief and faith are the basic rational for the argument and good vs evil, with actual or deserved but not deliverable punishment for evil is the motivation for good, then there is no possible way that an argument based on analysis of reality can even be considered. Of course there are many good comments and debates with reasoned arguments on both sides, but minds are seldom changed unless the threat of punishment is real, which fortunately in this time and place, it is not.
Steve Bergeron Added Apr 22, 2017 - 4:54pm
   You certainly can prove a negative.  If, for example, I said there was a peach somewhere in the universe with a football clearly emblazoned on it, you could disprove it by looking everywhere in the universe that it could possibly be, and upon not finding it, prove that it doesn't exist.  A lot of work, but theoretically, that's how it can be done.  
Now, I hope you've had physics.  This will make a lot more sense to you, if you have.  The problem of disproving God is harder than disproving a peach as per my example. God transcends (is beyond) the universe, but science can only gather data from observing what is within the universe. Therefore, we must recognize that the Scientific Method (and therefore, science) cannot be used to disprove God.
    Science can provide evidence that there is a limit to past time, implying our universe had a beginning. Prior to a beginning, the universe (and even physical time itself) did not exist—it was literally nothing.   When the universe was nothing (before the beginning), it could not have moved itself from nothingness to something, because it was nothing and capable of only doing... nothing. Nothing is the absence of everything.
    If we don’t sneak something into nothing, then the only thing nothing can do is... nothing. Therefore, something else--beyond the universe—would have to have moved the universe from nothing to something. Many physicists and philosophers call this a Creator or God.
     From all of this comes Lemaître’s conclusion that an initial “Creationlike” event must have taken place. He proposed that the universe came from an initial point that he referred to as the “Primeval Atom”.. It would later become known as, “The Big Bang Theory.”  Prior to Lemaître’s discovery, Einstein, and other scientists, believed the universe was in a static state (neither expanding nor contracting) and had been so forever. Proving the universe is expanding also proved it could not be infinite time back to the beginning of the universe.   Edwin Hubble’s use of red shifting verified Lemaître’s discovery of an expanding universe.   Penzias’ and Wilson’s discovered a universal radiation (from the Big Bang) which further verifies Lemaître’s theory.  This is also confirmed by more recent data from the two COBE satellites, the WMAP satellite, and the Planck satellite.  Even Einstein eventually endorsed Lemaitre's theory.
    So, if there really is a beginning to physical reality, what are the consequences?  First, prior to the beginning of our universe – and all the other cosmologies mentioned above – physical reality would have been nothing. Secondly, if we don’t sneak something into nothing, then nothing can only do nothing. Therefore, physical reality could not have moved itself from nothing to something. So, where does that leave us? It seems very likely that something else – something transcendent – would have to have created physical reality out of nothing. This we call a Creator or God
    Do you want me to continue...?  It'll be long...
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 22, 2017 - 11:48pm
 Do you want me to continue...?
Not just no but fuck no. You entirely missed the author's point - he, like the preponderance of us, is sick of thumpers like you and your banging on about your mythological nonsense. 
martin macrae Added Apr 23, 2017 - 5:44am
Hello Steve, look at your logic in you first sentence, "look for a peach" --then find it".   compared with look for something that would be a superbeing..... everywhere.  -in which case there is probably not enough time in the universe, so there is probably no superbeigns as we havent found any, a reasonable assumption. Saying ther IS, becasue we havent searched everywhere, but,,,,, what the heck, beleive... is not logical, it is hope beynd the point of absurdity. Therefore  superibeings are absurd. Faith  is the abandonment of reason.. Reason made the cars you drive, the electric light you use to see at night, food on the table, clean water... need I go on.
I can make up a superbeing...just like that... the "Wetaxis fof  Frubly"   I would like you to now prove it doesnt exist.  well, get on with it... look, loooooook..   -see how absurd that appears. 
Observation and measurement, currently know as science, formely the 'natural sciences' is all we have to understand the universe we live in.  Earlier generations may have been satified with "God did it"  , this no longer satisfies the need for explantions. amongst thinkers. .Aguing with other "god did it's" they tend to follow the same trick, think they  grasp some popular-sciencey sounding thing they have lightly read, then think the missing parts  postied PROVE a superbeing.  Absurd.
(and yes I have a science  study backgroud, all the people you quote have nothing to say about superbeings in their work, speculation afterwrds is not science). Current ideas about multiverses and other things are pure speculation without any proof of any kind to date.
The fact is we are probably alone in the universe, there is no evidence to support any other conclusion, only speculation Being lone is not the end, it means we can rise to study , understand and explain.
The O-N-L-Y proof would be  you perhaps beaming one here and , er say, reconstructing a dead person.  I might have Randi to check for tricks  still.
I am sorry you have reigion, considering you and I have nearly the same brain, and we are both capable of thinking. 
Martin Moe Added Apr 23, 2017 - 12:25pm
I have a few comments on your post. On the peach with football on it... If it could not be found, unless you searched through time, however time exists, has existed, and will exist throughout the universe, that would not mean that that peach did not exist since you could create it pretty much whenever you wished. But that whole thing is kind of murky and iffy to me.
On the rest of the post, there is, at least what I consider a “fatal flaw”. First let me describe a personal story. For the last 10 years I have worked pretty much every day in a small marine lab that I built in a spare room beneath my house here in the Florida Keys. The object was to develop the technology for the controlled culture of a sea urchin, Diadema antillarum. This urchin was the keystone herbivore of the Florida coral reefs, it died out in a great plague, the only species affected, in an area that encompassed the Caribbean, the Bahamas and Florida, billions of individuals urchins. For many reasons they have not recovered and the coral reefs are in serious decline (for a number of reasons), but significantly because they are now covered with macro algae that competes with corals for space and light. I was successful in developing the basics of this technology, being able to rear Diadema from controlled spawning, through the larval stages, through settlement, metamorphosis, juvenile growth to reproductive adults, and through the third generation. However the technology was not complete because since 2012, no matter what I did, the larvae were not able to survive. Though extensive experimentation, it was obvious that the water from Florida Bay was no longer able to support normal development of the larvae. My supposition is that endocrine disrupting chemicals present in this semi enclosed, shallow bay were disrupting normal larval development.  But I could not prove it through controlled experimentation, and my work has had to end on that distressingly incomplete note.
Please note that nowhere in that little story did I use the words (concept) Therefore: it must be...
In every one of your points, points that are and have been extensively explored in the voluminous expositions and arguments against geological and biological facts and theories that are scientifically proven such as the long age of the Earth, geological changes, and natural evolution, including, ours, of life on this small planet. Admittedly, very admittedly, there are questions that have no answers... yet. But nowhere in science are the words, therefore, it must be... used to come to a solid conclusion or even a scientific theory!
Unlike the conclusions that religiously based investigations reach, the ending in science is always open to new data, new facts, and better understandings of natural events and the workings of matter. Nowhere has their been a conclusive replicable demonstration of a supernatural effect on matter or human beings. There is a great deal that we do not understand and may never be able to understand, and science readily acknowledges that, but science can not accept or give credence to conclusions that begin with the words,  Therefore: it must be...