Border Wall – Humane or Horrible?

Conservative commentator, author and speaker Ann Coulter, a University of Michigan law school graduate with an impressive bio, nails the truth (and some Republicans) to the border wall in her article Not Building the Wall IS a Government Shutdown.

 

I encourage everyone to read Ann Coulter’s border wall column and tell me what you think in the comments. Coulter, an early supporter of Donald Trump, has repeatedly said that the most important thing President Trump must do is build the wall. There are many good reasons to build it, if framed properly. A country with open borders is more vulnerable to illegal drugs being imported, disregard for laws (sanctuary cities) etc. Are we a nation of laws or of people’s opinions? Far too frequently, laws are ignored at the whim of those in charge. Selective enforcement reached new lows during the Obama administration.

 

Among the many good reasons she cites for building it is a huge flow of illegal drugs over the southern border fueling a rampant drug addiction epidemic in cities and towns all across America. During the political campaign, Eric Trump spoke at Grace Centers of Hope in Pontiac. Interestingly the local news coverage was silent on that part of his speech, trivializing the content of much of what was actually said by focusing on short sound bites to fit their narrative. The reporter zeroed in on the one negative comment I made rather than highlighting the great work Grace Centers is doing helping people break their addictions.

 

Since President Trump’s election, the mainstream media coverage of him has been 89-91% negative. This is not surprising considering 96% of journalist donations went to Hillary Clinton. Most news coverage of the new administration is horribly biased against the President, in my opinion, and the opinion of most Republicans. The Wall Street Journal editor raised controversy when he insisted that his reporters write from a neutral point of view or look for another job.

 

What should President Trump do about Berkeley? Here’s an opinion column suggesting he follow after what Ronald Reagan did. Of course it is not just the college students, but rather professional malcontents from outside the university community who are protesting.

 

From Ronald Reagan’s campaign speech for governor:

[D]o we no longer think it necessary to teach self-respect, self-discipline, and respect for law and order? Will we allow a great university to be brought to its knees by a noisy dissident minority? Will we meet their neurotic vulgarities with vacillation and weakness? Or will we tell those entrusted with administering the university we expect them to enforce a code based on decency, common sense, and dedication to the high and noble purpose of that university?

 

Be firm with the protestors, calling in the National Guard if necessary if the local police won’t do their job and make arrests.

 

Ann Coulter’s speech was cancelled after her sponsors pulled out and university officials cited safety concerns. Apparently the police are unable to deal with the unruly mob. (or unwilling). She said that the content of her speech was going to be in favor of enforcing current immigration laws. How radical!

 

Some have suggested that the next conservative speaker who actually gives a talk there should not have any protestors defending him/her but rather simulcast the speech live on an outdoor screen and let the protestors throw rocks and bottles (baby bottles?) at it. Those who want to see it in person live can enter the auditorium peacefully and those opposing can protest all they like outside. Then the narrative will have to be riots against one speaker, not pro-Trump supporters clashing with anti-fascists. This is perhaps a better way than escalating the violence by quashing it.

 

Free speech indeed, alive and well except in certain liberal bastions like Berkeley that are afraid to have an honest dialogue on the issues.

 

Other articles

 

In previous blog posts, I began telling the story of my brain tumor and the depression which followed it. The second article in the series described my faith in God which sustained me through both trials.

 

Having recently started a word-by-word translation of Martin Luther’s Bible from German to English, I introduced the project and published Matthew Chapter 1 . Later I wrote commentary on it; my church background and theological training is in my USA Melting Pot bio.

 

Dale Murrish writes on historytraveltechnologyreligion and politics for the Troy Patch and USA Melting Pot club. You can help this non-profit club by making your Amazon purchases through the link on the left side of their website. You can also see over a dozen ethnic presentations from people with firsthand knowledge under Culture & Country (right hand side), and outdoor presentations (Hobby & Fun), including posts on bicycling, skiing and camping.

 

Other interesting articles on the USA Melting Pot website have been written by Bilal Rathur on his hajj to Saudi Arabia (Part 6) and by Carl Petersen. Thanks to both of them for their contributions.

Comments

Dawn Foss Added Apr 29, 2017 - 12:13pm
The border wall is important, as a token if nothing else that good may enter, evil may not.  As we know, heaven has walls. Revelation 21:19-20: "And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst."  It's a really expensive, beautiful wall!  Extreme vetting is used to get to heaven: you MUST be born again (John 3:7: "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.").  Having borders and lines are important, but an open invitation to come by the rules that those who govern the country set is biblical and right.  If they don't meet the qualifications and the guidelines, then until they do they cannot enter.  It is the hope that they will come and make the country a better place, not corrupt it with evil or selfishness, but to work hard as immigrants used to do, contributing to a better society, taking good advantage of opportunities to earn their own wages to support their own families.  That is the American way.  That is all our President and many, many Americans are requiring, simply upholding those values this country was built upon.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2017 - 11:36am
Coulter left out one very important fact when she claims it will reduce drugs. As CIA are the planet's premier purveyor of drugs the flow will not stop. 
 
That said it won't be built. Money for it won't be budgeted. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2017 - 11:38am
DUHmerica will cease to exist very soon at any rate so it's a moot point anyway.
Dawn Foss Added Apr 30, 2017 - 2:56pm
The wall makes a statement, and will help against sex trafficking also.  That is a major problem.  Jeffry, are you American?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2017 - 10:55pm
 Jeffry, are you American?
 
Why? And why would it matter? 
Jeffry Gilbert Added May 1, 2017 - 12:24am
Oh, and Dawn you have asked me this question at least once before. The answer remains the same. 
George N Romey Added May 1, 2017 - 10:03am
The Wall won't be built.  Its become nothing more than a political rallying point that politicians like to use to give people the idea they really give a damn. 
 
As long as there is demand for drugs there will be the supply.  And given the economic state of the US and how its driving people to substance abuse (which the politicians also do not give a damn about) there will no shortage of demand.
Jeffry Gilbert Added May 1, 2017 - 10:29am
Trump's trillion dollar deal: Congress agrees to spend $15bn more on the military and $1.5 billion on enhanced border security - but no border wall - in spending bill to avoid shutdown

Top Capitol Hill negotiators reached an agreement on a huge $1 trillion-plus spending bill that avoids a government shutdown, aides said on Sunday.

The deal means virtually all the day-to-day-operations of the federal government will be funded until September.
 
Right again George. 
Mike Haluska Added May 1, 2017 - 11:43am
Senator Ted Cruz had a terrific idea on paying for the "Wall" and other drug related interdiction -
Confiscate the wealth of the drug dealers that are captured and put on trial!
We are holding "El Chapo" in this country and his estimated holdings (cash & property) are worth $14 Billion according to Forbes.  That alone will MORE than pay for the wall.
Jeffry Gilbert Added May 1, 2017 - 11:55am
That alone will MORE than pay for the wall.
 
Cruz. The dumbass from Calgary. The two of you think that this is a good idea. Ask yourself why he worked so closely with the ultimate worldwide purveyor of drugs the CIA and why suddenly he's a prisoner. 
 
Yet another Trump promise bites the dust. 
 
 
Dawn Foss Added May 1, 2017 - 12:16pm
Mike - I agree with you.  Even Bill O'Reilly thought that was a great idea.  That would be the perfect use of that money!
Jeffry Gilbert Added May 1, 2017 - 12:30pm
Both of you are idiots - its already disappeared into CIA's accounts in Cayman and Zurich. DUH!
Ric Wells Added May 1, 2017 - 12:42pm
The wall the wall. One more brick in the wall. If anyone has noticed walls have already been built between the US and Mexico. These are circumvented by elaborate tunnel systems airplanes and boats. So if anyone thinks a wall that is thicker and higher will stop a multi trillion dollar business is blind to reality. And yes Jeffry is correct the CIA has been and is involved in drug trafficing. The wall will have little effect except to add to an overburdend debt load not to mention the annual maintenance costs. To an economists viewpoint very poor ROI. 
Ric Wells Added May 1, 2017 - 12:45pm
Dawn to question Jeffry's citizenship is irrelevent. It matters not. 
George N Romey Added May 1, 2017 - 2:28pm
Jeffry $16.5 billion for the MIC and all those that leech off it.  And the government goes on.  Trump may have drained the swamp but replaced it with a beautiful size Olympic swimming pool that is only open to the top .001% of Americans. 
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 2:37pm
Dawn,  Jeffrey G claimed to be an ex-patriot American living in South America in another comment string.  He also said he attended university in the 70s.  So if what he says is to believed, he is an old man full of regrets that he covers with hatred for his homeland.
 
Ric,  Motivation does matter when making public comments.  When we know someone hates themselves and projects that hate onto the country of their birth, it helps to put his rudeness, angst and downright hatred into perspective.  Based on what Jeffrey told us in another article I wrote, I now feel sorry for him more than I am offended.
 
For those that say a "wall won't work" I ask you why then do you have locks on your doors? A criminal can always break a window- right?  
 There are no simple, absolute answers for any problem.  If a wall forces more tunnel construction, then by definition we've made it harder to get get drugs in our country, which affects supply, which means fewer lives are ruined. Still don't believe a wall will help us in the fight on drugs and illegal immigration?   Then be intellectually honest and stop locking your doors at night.....I dare you.
 
Ric Wells Added May 1, 2017 - 3:15pm
Are you seriously comparing a lock on a door to tge wall when any cop who is honest will tell you a person will break on if they wish lock or no lock. A wall will have effect in detering anything. It will become a cost of doing business just as any other attempt to deter it has become. The war on drugs has curtailed nothing. 
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 3:31pm
Ric,  As our friend in S America likes to say:  "duh".  A wall is about as effective as a door lock.  It forces those that want to enter illegally underground (literally) or to find another more difficult path of entry.  The more difficult the path of entry, the more our police resources are effective at targeting the problem and catching the bad guys. 
 
By your logic, nobody would have locks on their doors because if somebody wanted to get in badly enough, they could through a window, the roof or digging a tunnel into your basement.  Not very logical my friend......but then liberal positions are seldom logical and appeal more to feeling that fact.
Jeff Michka Added May 1, 2017 - 4:22pm
Wow, you folks just haven't seen it.  The wall is to keep people IN.
wsucram15 Added May 1, 2017 - 5:36pm
I agree with Jeff and Jeffry on this one and for that alone FIRST AND FOREMOST, I am against it.
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 5:59pm
wsucram15......The drugs flowing across our southern border are ruining tens of thousands of lives.  Central American Heroin producers started piggy backing onto the underground railroad of pot coming into our country from Mexico.  Now we see children as far north as Maine, New Hampshire, etc. succumbing to heroin addiction - for some it only takes one use to become an addict.
 
Also, think about it.  If pot, heroin and people can come over our border by the truckload, how much protection do we have against a Weapon of Mass Destruction?   Will it take a dirty bomb going off in San Francisco to finally convince you we need to control our borders?
 
I'm sorry but liberals are Darwin Award Winners in waiting.   The problem is that you'll take the rest of us with you as you try to stick daisies in the guns of drug runners, terrorists and criminals in the name of love, fairness and compassion. 
George N Romey Added May 1, 2017 - 6:04pm
I would leave it to the border guards to tell us what they need and what will work.  About half of illegal immigrants arrive by plane or bus on a tourist visa but just overstay.  Since we do not track them and simply allow them to leave and come back without issue there is a huge incentive to flout our laws. 
 
Building a wall is simply saying we can solve crime by locking our doors. 
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 6:17pm
George...the wall is not just about illegal immigration.  Its about drugs and national security.  Drugs don't get tourist visas and overstay, they end up in the veins of our kids and destroy lives. 
 
Frankly I think we'd be better off occupying Mexico and locking THEIR southern border down than engaging in regime change, occupation and nation building in the middle east.  That takes the war on drugs to the source.
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 6:20pm
Oh and George....if you don't think locking doors solves crime to any degree, then stop doing it.
Ric Wells Added May 1, 2017 - 6:42pm
Jeff that is exactly what Ron Paul stated when a wall was first discussed. Norton the only way to stop the drug traffic is to stop the demand. There will always be a supply and in ample amounts if the demand is there. Simple economics.
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 7:01pm
Ric What happens when supply is reduced?  Prices go up.  Slowing the amount of drugs crossing our border will reduce demand more efficiently than trying to talk people into not using them.  Simple economics.
George N Romey Added May 1, 2017 - 7:07pm
Prohibition was a failure. The War on Drugs a more than 40 year failure. People have used vices since the dawn of time,
Ric Wells Added May 1, 2017 - 7:11pm
With high demand supply will never dwindle no matter what any government says. 
Dawn Foss Added May 1, 2017 - 7:43pm
I asked about Jeffry Gilbert's citizenship because to call America DUHmerica is very unpatriotic, and shows great disrespect to our country.  If he is American, he may want to consider living somewhere that better meets his expectations.  If he is not American, then why is he so worried about it?  It's not his country.  We who love the land of the brave and the free, the red, white, and blue, the precious flag of our nation, will stay here and honor her, protect her, serve her, and do all we can to prove ourselves worthy to be called Americans.
Tamara Wilhite Added May 1, 2017 - 8:11pm

World of walls: How 65 countries have erected fences on their borders – four times as many as when the Berlin Wall was toppled – as governments try to hold back the tide of migrants
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205724/How-65-countries-erected-security-walls-borders.html#ixzz4fsLXqfPZ

A World of Walls
Donald Trump’s proposal for the U.S.-Mexico border isn’t outdated. It’s a sign of the times.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/05/donald-trump-wall-mexico/483156/


Patrick Writes Added May 1, 2017 - 8:37pm
Who cares? Taking the leash off ICE and go after employers of illegal immigrants, this focus would work better than a wall, wouldn't it? 
 
He certainly can't seek repayment from Mexico without Congress, and he'll never get their votes for it. 
 
But ICE and going after employers would be hugely effectively. Ex: Where are the employees of this gardening company? Who is picking the crops at this guy's farm? The small time construction company, who are all the carpenters and builders? Actually put the IRS to work doing their job instead of shaking down Mom and Pop SuperPacs. 
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 8:41pm
So many absolutists here that want to give up the fight on our laws, immigration and drugs because we can never suppress crime 100%.  What you don't realize is there is no Destination of perfection where illegal drugs, crime or evil are ever fully conquered..  
For those of you that want to give up the fight to save our children from heroin, our borders from terrorists and our laws from being broken, perhaps you should seek another country that better fulfills your low expectations.  Perhaps Mexico?
Jeff Michka Added May 1, 2017 - 9:07pm
Norton Louis sez: The drugs flowing across our southern border are ruining tens of thousands of lives. - a "wall" isn't going to stop much.  And it always makes me laugh at the rightist who use that "ruining lives crap" as an excuse to wall Americans in.  Why not be direct and honest, say US drug policies- here and abroad--have ruined tens of thousands if lives.  Check out the legions of Oxycontin heads in West VA and W Penn.  Out of work coal miners and their sorry families have made the best of junkies.  The guy charged with solving this problem is Pres. Jared Kushner.  Right after he reinvents government, creates a MidEAST peace plan, he'll get all the oxyheads that voted for the Orange smear, off drugs.  Riiight.  They'll not want to vote for Trump when they're crashing, so it better be soon.
Jeff Michka Added May 1, 2017 - 9:10pm
Patrick Writes notes: go after employers of illegal immigrants, this focus would work better than a wall, wouldn't it? - Gee, ya think?  This tact seems decidedly unpopular with the immigrant haters, but name me an employer of illegal immigrants who has been charged, tried and served time for breaking the law like that.  None?
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 9:23pm
Yeah Jeff we might just as well give up when you add in the prescription,drug problem......why even bother with borders, laws and employing police forces to try to keep drugs and crime down?
 
Did you throw a lot of rocks at Windows when you were young too?
Jeff Michka Added May 1, 2017 - 9:40pm
Why don't you join alll your rightist compatriots in "fighting drug wars" and become a junkie.  Then you'll never want to leave home and escape across the wall.
Norton Louis Added May 1, 2017 - 9:51pm
So based on the comments here, the Left is in favor of open borders, giving up the fight to enforce our laws, pro-illegal drug and defeatist about even trying to spruce up the place.
 
Funny I always considered myself to be an Independent, but with the Left becoming the party of fascism and anarchy, I may indeed have to redefine myself as being on the Right.
 
Thanks for the insight Jeff!
George N Romey Added May 1, 2017 - 11:28pm
They come here seeking jobs. Take away the jobs and most stay home.  Go to any Home Depot around 6AM and see the illegals hanging out for day jobs. ICE could start in the parking lots of Home Depot.  Also start enforcing a monitoring system. As it stands, someone can fly to this country on a tourist visa, stay for two years, go home to see family and come right back.
 
Try doing that in Australia.
Mark Hunter Added May 2, 2017 - 2:31am
The best possible border security--calling it just a wall is a bit simplistic--is also the best possible policy. It might not stop all criminal activity, which encompasses drugs, illegal immigration, and terrorists, among other things, but it beats doing nothing.
wsucram15 Added May 2, 2017 - 3:31am
Norton..trust me when I tell you this, there isnt much you can discuss about heroin I dont know, unfortunately. One use will NOT make you an addict, it could kill you if it has a bad cut like Fentanyl.   Now if you are also talking prescription drugs, then more border patrol is needed. Period...I agree with that.  This is where the drugs come in, by vehicle whether driven, flown or by boat.  Dogs are helpful here...except they cannot smell the drugs through plastic bottles.  Not even marijuana, especially if its sealed inside plastic before putting it in the plastic containers.   You need increased presence for search...both on people and drugs.  ALSO you need to have good rehab program for when you actually cut off supply.  People will die, its not like they wake up and snap out of it.
 
Also my cousin is DEA, in Texas  as well as other Republican family members I have there.  So Im going by their opinions and  interviews from people that live on the border, not a partisan opinion or article I read.
I am all for fixing the problem..but a WALL to stop the problem is throwing more money into the wind we DO NOT HAVE. The WALL keeps people in..Im not for that.  The problem we have today in many ways was created with the help of our government.
 
wsucram15 Added May 2, 2017 - 3:53am
PAtrick..Im telling you as a protestor, I will do everything I can to see the "A WALL" is never built, along with millions of others.  I dont care about personnel increases or even electronic systems to some some degree, but costs must be capped.  Do this on a trial and error and lets see how that goes.
 
GET OUTSIDE YOURSELF AND SOLVE THE PROBLEMS and stop letting some government person tell you they have the answer...dont you see what is happening?
 
Extremism is NOT the answer to problems that most of you have no idea what you are talking about.  Look back in history, you will see I am right.  You cant solve heroin addiction by building a wall..thats the most insane thing I have ever heard.  First of all it does not just come from Mexico..although production is up currently.  The ports of entry are all over the US-including East Coast ports FL up to NY that I know of.  That stuff comes from some other countries poppy fields. 
 
Also you are protecting yourselves from people? OMG..what did they do? Read the statistics on these horrible people and then us natives..who at one time all come from immigrants, unless you are a full blooded American Indian.  You will find we are a horrible people and most harmful to each other.
It wont bring back your jobs..and 1.6% of immigrant males 18-39 are incarcerated. The number for native-born Americans is three times higher and this has been studied since 1980. 
 
What you are afraid of is the unknown and a populist who fed you a bunch of crap to justify your feelings of anger towards the system, people you dont like..etc. Someone told you what you wanted to hear and that THEY had the solutions.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added May 2, 2017 - 6:13am
Jeanne you're sounding a lot like Ronnie Reagan's I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
Billy Roper Added May 2, 2017 - 10:20am
If you don't have a border, you're not a country. If you don't have a homogeneous population, you're not a nation. If you don't either, you have a balkanizing multiracial empire. Welcome to the end.
Norton Louis Added May 2, 2017 - 10:55am
wsucram15.  According to statistics, nearly 25% of those that try heroin once become addicted to it.  Not definitive enough to say one use makes you addicted, but if its my kids we're talking about, the opportunity to do it once is one time too many.  Bring on the wall.  And by wall, I don't necessarily mean the Great Wall of China type of wall.  The barrier should be physical at times, included sensors to pick up radioactivity, motion, etc, drones and mines too for that matter.  
 
Yes drugs come to the US by train, plane and automobile.  However, eliminating the easiest method to transfer bulk drugs by controlling the border frees up resources to target against other methods.  100% elimination is impossible, but I'd settle for any number that is better than what we see today.  The cost of maintaining lives broken by drugs like herioin is exponentially larger than the cost of preventing this from happening in the first place.
 
Picture if you will one of the missing Russian suitcase nukes smuggled across the porous US southern border two years from now to be exploded in Los Angeles, CA.   Millions of lives lost and trillions in damage..... a killing blow to the American economy.  Now compare the cost of building a wall across our southern border today.
 
An ounce of prevention beats a pound of cure.
 
Finally, illegal immigrants are just that (illegal). For those that are good citizens, with no felonies on record, pay taxes and are anchored in the US - great! - let's give them a pathway to citizenship.  Only after, however, we become a sovereign nation once again by securing our borders.
Norton Louis Added May 2, 2017 - 11:09am
Wuscram15  PS....its not just radical liberals that protest anymore.  As a charter member of the silent majority, I may see you out there on the other side of the protest line. 
Jeff Michka Added May 2, 2017 - 6:48pm
wsucram15 mentions: ALSO you need to have good rehab program for when you actually cut off supply. - Well, if drug addiction is "pre-existing" then unless those coal miners and their strung-out families start better food stamp scamming, they won't be able to afford getting straight.  And if you are some form of political ally, Norton, we don't need people like you, despite the talk.  You focus on "border issues" like they were thousands of criminals from Mexico just sauntering across the border, which is Trump's "claim."  No truth, but it's a good "Fear, Fear, Fear thing."  Hogwash.  Trying to suggest it's a matter of wall or death from nuclear terrorists is typical "false equivalency" the rightist seem to love.
Norton Louis Added May 2, 2017 - 7:03pm
Jeff in this July 2016 CNN story, they mention 11.2 million illegals in the USA and 178,000 illegal immigrants committing crimes deported in 2015.  Seems like a lot of criminal sauntering at the border to me. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/08/politics/immigrants-crime/
It's just so frustrating when the Right uses facts and figures that mess with all of those beautiful liberal feelings isn't it?  
Jeff Michka Added May 2, 2017 - 8:41pm
Norton Louis tries his "Flush Limpjaub" at being a witty and smooth rightist: It's just so frustrating when the Right uses facts and figures that mess with all of those beautiful liberal feelings isn't it? -  Another failed Limpjaub impression.  You clowns never get any better. And there have been hundreds of nuclear weapons going off, mass muders and "rape-ins" conducted by immigrants to the US.  The Trumpist crap you peddle trying to make it sound like buses let people off at the border and they just walk unimpeded into the US IS YOUR FANTASY, not "confirmed by your cite."  Anyone crossing the border one way or another knows it's not that easy, that's just in your rightist "We have 'open borders' Fear fest fantasy, Trump calculated enough fools would believe, and do.
Jeff Michka Added May 2, 2017 - 8:43pm
And no, we aren't going to make this into a "crime discussion".  The Orange blob already has you fools believing there's a huge crimewave in the "bright, bloody, taped off crime scene on the hill," America supposedly is.
Dale Murrish Added May 2, 2017 - 8:57pm
Thanks for sharing your opinions, everyone. A lively discussion. I did delete one comment with profanity, so please keep it clean.
 
Especially liked Norton's CNN link and Dawn's comment about Heaven having strict entry guidelines. 
Dale Murrish Added May 2, 2017 - 8:59pm
Try to avoid name calling in the future, Jeffry. It's what people generally do when they have a weak argument. And it's tiring on the eyes. Please, keep it civil. 
Dawn Foss Added May 2, 2017 - 9:16pm
Norton summed it up well.  If you want to be considered a Democrat today, you are bunched into the far left association, and the immaturity is just oozing out.  Democrats used to be more reasonable.  Now they are fascists, socialists, at least that is becoming the general perception.  See this link in you want to hear some examples of the gross immaturity, snowflakes: Democrat behavior
Dawn Foss Added May 2, 2017 - 9:18pm
Go to 29:20 and begin there...
Norton Louis Added May 3, 2017 - 2:20pm
Jeff ...you said "And there have been hundreds of nuclear weapons going off, mass muders and "rape-ins" conducted by immigrants to the US."  Taking your opponents point and extending it to a ridicluous extreme is referred to as "reductio ad absurdum".  Additionally, personal attacks such as "orange clown" and "Flush Limjaub" are referred to in the debate world as "argumentum ad hominen".  To Dale's point, these are strategies employed when one begins losing the debate in the arena of fact and common sense. 
 
To all thinking patriots of the USA, I say it is past time to take our country back from the minority of loud, idealogical liberals that are consistently proven have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to what is best for our nation.
Jeff Michka Added May 3, 2017 - 3:25pm
Norton Louis tries to pat himself on the back and dislocates his arm doing it: idealogical liberals that are consistently proven have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to what is best for our nation. -  What's the idealogy, Flush?  and Norton goes on: Additionally, personal attacks such as "orange clown" and "Flush Limjaub" - THEN JUST DON'T TRY AND DO WHAT YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T, and what else can you say about someone who sprays themselves baboon ass orange to try and look Alpha.  IF i have you right you voted for the Orange Il Duce, right Norton?
Norton Louis Added May 3, 2017 - 4:01pm
Jeff you sound stressed.  Perhaps you'll feel better if you go protest Free Speech somewhere.....and maybe break a window or burn a car or two?  
 
I not only voted for our President, I contributed to his campaign!  Go Trump!  USA, USA USA USA!!!!!!!
Norton Louis Added May 3, 2017 - 4:29pm
Jeff in all seriousness to answer your question ( I think), referring to you and your ilk as "idealogical liberals" was no doubt confusing.  By definition, anarchists are not idealogues......so to clarify my point, an idealogical liberal is a synonym for anarchists and is not intended to imply you have a specific idealogy other than not wanting to be told to go clean your room by society.
Jeff Michka Added May 3, 2017 - 6:56pm
Norton "Flush Limbjaub" LOUIS SEZ: Jeff in all seriousness to answer your questio.  i didn't see any "serious" answer, just another leap at being a failed Flush Limpjaub, usually tried to signal fellow conservs you're "hip."  You sound like a protofascist.  Maybe you ought to go take some food stamps and healthcare away from some junkie coal miners in West Virginia to prove your "manhood."-and not only voted for our President, I contributed to his campaign. -Proving PT Barnum right once again, there is a sucker born every minute.  It was your minute to be born.
Norton Louis Added May 3, 2017 - 7:23pm
Jeff,  History is written by the victors not the name-callers.  Watch us continue to make history and take this country back for its people!
Dawn Foss Added May 4, 2017 - 8:49am
Norton, you are absolutely correct.  As Jay Sekulow from the ACLJ put it, if someone disagrees with someone's speech, they should come back with more speech.  People have the right to protest and disagree and share their opinion, but it is illegal to slander, defame someone, use violence against someone, etc.  These rioters need to be put in jail.  That's not protest, it's criminal action.  I really hope our law enforcement agencies do just that: enforce the law.  This is getting so ridiculous.  We are being tolerant of civil disobedience.  That's not right.  People have made tolerance an excuse to look the other way and not enforce the law.  That makes it a very dangerous society.  The liberals who are acting in this way need to clean their room, as you put it, and find constructive ways to make a better, more peaceful society full of love and hope, not hate and fear.  The very thing they think they are protesting, hate and fear, is what they are promoting: terrorizing our city streets and causing fear and unrest by innocent people.
Jeff Michka Added May 5, 2017 - 12:00pm
Norton "Flush Limpjaub" Louis tries:  Watch us continue to make history and take this country back for its people!- So you lost your country, eh?  Careless of you.  You got arch-Xtian Dawn Foss licking up the drops spilled from your bucket, full of hell and damnation for others, once again, becoming someone Geezus wouldn't walk across the street to urinate on if they were on fire.  "Your country?"  You have the deed, Norton?  Seems other live here, and you are a temporary side show. 
Norton Louis Added May 5, 2017 - 1:09pm
Jeff, the deed is our US Constitution, and the ownership is rule by majority.  
 
Your rights end where they begin to impact my rights and the rights of the majority.
 
The majority returned a Constititionalist to power.  The days of whoever screams the longest and loudest accuses others of unsavory acts controlling our country are waning.  While you and your ilk were taking the bait from both parties on social issues, corruption in politics robbed our economy of its vitality.
 
The silent majority is silent no longer and will continue to support President Trump in spite of your childish name-calling.
Norton Louis Added May 5, 2017 - 1:58pm
Jeff I assume you are a US citizen, however your syntax sometimes make me doubt this.  If you are not a US citizen, I'd simply tell you to mind your own business.
Jeff Michka Added May 5, 2017 - 6:29pm
"Norton" Louis tries:Jeff I assume you are a US citizen, however your syntax sometimes make me doubt this. - I am, republoclown car driver.  - Spiro Agnew time, eh, Norton: The silent majority is silent no longer and will continue to support President Trump-They aren't saying much, or doing much.  Are you spraying yourself orange to see if you can stand alongside your hero, Trump.  Maybe you've just opted for "family values" and your wife lives 200 miles away in another city.
Norton Louis Added May 5, 2017 - 7:26pm
I say "Constitution" you say "orange".  We are miles apart my friend.  Perhaps you should take a nap after recess.  
 
Happy Cinco DeMayo!  Heading out to have a Trump Taco Bowl!
Jeff Michka Added May 6, 2017 - 5:12pm
Norton "Flush Limbjaub" Louis sez: I say "Constitution" you say "orange".  We are miles apart my friend.  Perhaps you should take a nap after recess. - Perhaps you should engage, politely put, in sexual intercourse with and by yourself.- Heading out to have a Trump Taco Bowl! - Probably, and hopefully at Trump prices, then spit in by a dozen or more latinos before it's served to you.  Quit trying to couch your race hatreds and Trump love behind the Constitution, or beg to have it read to your Oranged leader. You are nothing more than a(nother) mindless Trumpeter. Mentioning the Constitution doesn't make you "owner," just another voice in the crowd.  So nothing special.
Jeff Michka Added May 6, 2017 - 5:14pm
Have you found "your country" in the Lost and Found "Louis?"  Better go get it before it's donated to Goodwill or Salvation Army.
Dale Murrish Added May 8, 2017 - 11:52am
Jeff, your name-calling, sarcasm and disdain for others trumps any real argument you might be trying to make. You have lost this debate, in my opinion. Filter out the NSD and there is precious little that remains.
Jeff Michka Added May 8, 2017 - 3:32pm
Murrish implies: Jeff, your name-calling, sarcasm and disdain for others trumps any real argument you might be trying to make. You have lost this debate, in my opinion.- Debate, this discussion was hardly that, Murrish, and moreover you are trying "One rule for you, another rule for everyone else."  Typical rightist.
Dale Murrish Added Jul 17, 2017 - 11:25am
Thanks for your comment, Dannl. Maybe you're being too hard on Jeff. He's entitled to his opinion. Got to filter out the substance from the insults from everyone's comments.
 
You agree with me; he disagrees. Not much more than that was said. 
 
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