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The Georgia congressional race was supposed to be a referendum of President Trump. The Democrats were so determined to get a foothold, some momentum, that they threw around $30 million into the race. They got nothing in return. The self-described party of the working class spent $30 million attempting to repudiate President Trump, and failed. They were sure that the voters in Georgia would indicate their displeasure with President Trump by electing a Democrat to go and fight the policies of President Trump, and they miscalculated by a few dozen million. From the reports of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, it looks like the elected Republican, Karen Handel, spent about $18 million, all told.

 

How can any party that represents the working class get $30 million to throw at one race? I am aware that there were other parties involved, but no one in the working class, even collectively, has $30 million to invest in an office that pays $174,000 a year. The Democrats wanted to rub this election in President Trump’s face, but instead, they’re wondering where they went wrong. The “old guard” of the Democrats is being challenged. Some in the Democratic party are suggesting that Nancy Pelosi step down. The Republicans are keenly aware of the power that Nancy Pelosi has, and they want Nancy Pelosi to remain a leader and mouthpiece in the Democrat party, for obvious reasons. I think it was Newt Gingrich that said Nancy Pelosi should remain in power for at least another ten years.

 

This was supposed to be the turning point for the Democrats, the referendum on the Trump presidency and the Trump policies, all of six months into his presidency. This special election in Georgia was supposed to be so important that everyone with a few hundred thousand or million to throw away chipped in. The Democrats are now beginning to reconsider their position. I really wish they wouldn’t reconsider, because I like them the way they are, envious, frustrated, and sullen about their loss of the presidency. Did I say the presidency? Allow me to add the U.S. House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate, and many offices in the states.  The Republicans now hold the state legislatures of 32 states and 33 governors.

 

My prediction: The Democrats will continue to use anything possible to impeach President Trump, although if the same had been tried with President Obama, well, we all know what label would have been used. I would urge the congress and the senate to censure any Democrat who initiates an investigation of President Trump that leads to nothing. They are wasting valuable time and taxpayer money (no surprise there) while investigating things that occurred during the Obama administration, not during the administration of President Trump.  Keep that in mind. If there was any hacking, it was done not under President Trump, but under President Obama. The Democrats conveniently forget that the election took place under President Obama, not President Trump, and they rarely mention all of the other associations of Hillary and the Clinton Initiative with the Russians. Collusion and contact with the Russians when Hillary or Billary do it is just fine, but when Trump does it, well, that might be treason. It's amazing that the party that has allowed multiple transgressions of its members now trying to pin anything they can on the serving president.

 

I’m sure that when Billy Clinton had a conversation with Attorney General Loretta Lynch, they were just talking about their grandkids. That’s why they were on the tarmac with no one else in the plane. I always insist that I have complete privacy (the extraordinary privacy of being in a government jet on a tarmac) when I talk with my friends about their grandkids. Sure, I believe that, and if you do too, please give me a call because I have a great deal on a bridge in New York for you.

 

What happened, why the disconnect? There are a few books out there already. I read the review of the book written by the people from Hillary’s campaign, and it appears that Hillary did everything right, and it was the campaign staff that screwed up her campaign, and Billy as much as told them so, in some scoldings that would have put William Jennings Bryan to shame. It’s pretty much an accepted fact that Hillary used an unsecured server, something that would have landed you or me in a federal prison for a good while. Despite the disrespect for security protocol, the encouragement of deep state bureaucrats to resist all of the Trump initiatives, and the courting of the corporate elites, the Democrats cannot figure out why they aren’t getting votes anymore.  American politics is becoming known for gridlock, jealousy, resentment, and sore losers. We are the arsenal of democracy with our guns pointed at one another.

Comments

Todd Flora Added Jun 23, 2017 - 3:22pm
This article is as inaccurate as it is offensive. First of all, sir, as has been WIDELY REPORTED, TOTAL spending -- total spending -- in the race topped $50 million. Ossoff raised $23.3 million, and despite that she outspent him 2-1 when you include independent expenditures from right-wing ideologue superPACs. 
 
But what bothers me the most is how people like you continue to seem completely unconcerned over the fact that our nation was ATTACKED. You would rather consider this a partisan matter, or blame the president under whom the attack occurred (you know, like 9/11 under President Bush). But did the Russian attack only hurt Democrats? Perhaps this time, but what about next time? Why isn't your concern getting to the bottom of this? Why doesn't it seem to be a concern of many Republicans? ... affraid of what might be found out?
 
It is LAUGHABLE to me that all of you Reaganites and cold warriors who spoke against the evil empire the Soviets represented seem hardly bothered by the Russians of today, who are run by a man who weeps over the end of the U.S.S.R., and wishes he could re-create it.
 
You're no patriot, sir, if your attitude continues along this path.
Phil Greenough Added Jun 23, 2017 - 3:22pm
The Democrats have no interest in impeaching Trump.  They know full well that Mike Pence is a much more difficult opponent than Trump and his mid-thirty approval rating. 
Todd Flora Added Jun 23, 2017 - 3:25pm
p.s. The Democrats weren't going to win this seat. It's a Republican District. HRC looks like she did better against Trump, in part, due to the fact that Gary Johnson polled almost 5% of the vote in the Georgia 6th. But we turned what was normally a 20 point Republican win into only a 4-5 point win. This president is not popular, and it is in part because a good majority of us can see that he's a piece of human garbage. Immoral, a liar, narcissist, incompetent, a complete and total ass. 
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 3:38pm
Todd-According to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
"Both campaigns were buoyed by a tide of outside spending in the runoff phase, though Ossoff’s record-breaking fundraising haul – he took in more than $23 million since January – meant he needed less backup.
Still, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee spent nearly $5 million on TV ads boosting his campaign or slamming Handel, while other left-leaning groups chipped in about $1 million more.
In all, left-leaning groups and Ossoff combined for about $2 million more in ad spending than Handel and conservative allies during the runoff phase.
OK, thirty million- the article will be corrected.
Micahel Dolan Added Jun 23, 2017 - 3:42pm
NY Times, Democrats off the wall agian after election of their new leader-Pajama Boy,Ossmath. Hatred will kill you Libs. Democrats cannot win elections-victimized groups not enough these days-Todd.
 
Enraged and angry turning people off. Anger and Rage Dems filled with hate-Mythical Russian---BS.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 3:53pm
According the the Atlanta-Journal Constitution, as quoted above, the figure is $30 million, not the $23.3 that you would like. The $50 is corrected. Again, you folks are just sore losers. Your comments are as inaccurate as as they are offensive. My concern that this nation was attacked (I use proper English, thanks, except for the highlights that refute your blather) was not the issue as much as it was that the Obama administration was in control and not Trump's.Yes, let's point our fingers at the present administration for something that happened months before this president was sworn in. While we're at it, lets blame the failure of the Vietnam War all on Richard Nixon, when it started and escalated with LBJ.
Let's not get into patriotism here, and if you wish to address the lovers of Russia, they are here, but I am not among them. I still warn of the Russians, thank you very much. Your assumptions are as shallow as the bogus figures and failed ideology you promote.
Mike Haluska Added Jun 23, 2017 - 4:02pm
Todd - your allegation:
 
"But what bothers me the most is how people like you continue to seem completely unconcerned over the fact that our nation was ATTACKED."
 
 is just that - an allegation.  I think it is more of a display of ineptness and incompetence on the part of Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party than an "attack".  IF Hillary Clinton didn't set up an unsecured server in her bathroom that was directly connected to the State Department system, IF the DNC would have listened to the FBI that they were being hacked and IF morons like Podesta didn't use "password" for a password this could have been all avoided. 
 
To this date, Wikileaks denies that the Russian government was the source of their data.  Based on the amateurish security of Hillary & the DNC, a lot of teenage hackers anywhere in the world could have broken in to their system!  And finally - the reasons you cite for your obvious hatred of President Trump are the same reasons just as many people didn't vote for Hillary Clinton despite having EVERYONE campaigning for her including:
 
- the mainstream media
- elitist Republican donors
- elitist Republican politicians
- Wall Street
- TV & Radio
- Hollywood
- Crony Capitalists
- Union leaders
- sitting President
- every Big City political machine
- illegal aliens
- minorities
 
AND outspending Trump 5 to 1 SHE STILL LOST!!!!  It wasn't because of the "Russians" interfering - she is just a lousy candidate who ran a lousy campaign because she felt "entitled" to the Presidency.
 
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 4:21pm
Thanks for the truth Mike Haluska- Now Todd can suggest that neither of us are patriots, since we're not going along with their tainted version of what happened. As I have said so many times on this website, I am interested in the truth. Not fiction, not websites that make false claims, not made up news, the truth. Thanks again Mike.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 4:24pm
Todd, be careful about wrapping yourself in the flag, your people are always the ones setting it on fire!
Todd Flora Added Jun 23, 2017 - 4:39pm
Hillary Clinton lost because she isn't a very good candidate, millions of Americans hate her for a lot of made-up reasons, and because she ignored the upper midwest and didn't campaign enough there. Happy? I'm not hiding behind the cyber attack.
 
But will you gents admit we were attacked as a country by a foreign power?  If not, you are waaaaaay out of touch, waaaaay out of the mainstream, and in complete denial. Even our KKK-loving imp of an Attorney General had to admit it happened, acknowledging that ALL of the non-partisan intelligence agencies say it happened.
 
Stop thinking of the cyber attack as an election issue. Our nation was attacked by what will continue to be the weapon of choice in the decades to come -- cyber warfare. And if this doesn't concern you, your damn skippy I question your patiotism. 
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 4:47pm
Exactly where did I say I didn't care about cyber-attacks? They were allowed and nothing was done in retaliation under Obama's administration, that was the point. Sorry I have to spell it our for you. Obama was aware of them, way (I spell things correctly, thank you) before they became mainstream media. The point is Obama did nothing, and now somehow Trump is responsible for them.
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:06pm
The only thing laughable is warmonger Todd's ridiculous Russophobic McCarthyite nonsense about "We were attacked"... all DEBUNKED here:
“Debunking Russiagate, Part 1” (with links to parts 2 & 3) https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/debunking-russiagate-part-1-7cca3eb88ffa
Neoliberals like Todd and the Clintonites give actual liberals a bad name. The Democratic Party will continue to lose elections until they purge their establishment ilk from the party. 
Todd Flora Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:10pm
Obama did NOT do nothing. And to say so is to show how both ill-informed and uninterested you are in the truth. The news media has been talking about this issue a lot in the last couple of days. Let me spell out / remind you of a couple of facts:
"Above Water" Responses:
1) Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats and closed down 2 facilities they used in this country
2) Implemented Targeted sanctions to hurt Putin and some of his oligarch cronies
3) Confronted Putin personally, who denied it to his face
 
"Iceberg Below Water" Responses:
1) Had U.S. security services plant dozens of cyber-bombs into a variety of Russion govt. controlled computer systems that could be "set off" in waves if the Russians continued to persist in attacks
2) Had a national security advisor inform Republican leaders in Congress, who -- wait for it -- said they didn't believe him, and told them they were making it up to politicize the election
 
This then put President Obama in a very tough position. If he went public with the American people, it would have given you all and your man Trump an excuse to say, "they are making it up" as part of the "rigged fix" for Hillary narrative. He would have been accused of trying to suppress votes. And an analyst close to the President (and that national security personnel that informed the skeptical Republicans) said today that the President was afraid that if he set off the cyber bombs BEFORE the vote, the Russians would have come back and actually CHANGED the votes in the vote machines, as apparently they had the capability and were holding back at the time. So he could only do as much as I stated -- FAR FROM NOTHING -- 1) without being accused of being political or 2) further provoking the Russians BEFORE the vote on Nov. 8. 
 
Guess who is the only person with the authority to set off OUR cyber bombs now? ... you guessed it. The incompetent idiot in the W.H. that denies any of this even happened. ... you must be so proud.
 
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:11pm
I knew you'd weigh in Jen, I thought you liked people like Todd.
Todd Flora Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:17pm
@Jenifer Frost, I'm a progressive Democrat and promoter of diplomacy and peace. Sorry. But I'm also not a pacifist who thinks we should just sit on our ass and let foreign powers conduct cyber attacks that affect our country. Are you really siting an article by some random woman on Medium as proof this didn't happen? My God -- have fun with Jill fucking Stein and Oliver Stone ... the problem with progressives like you is you hate "moderate Democrats" (which I'm NOT one) more than you do Republicans. 
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:41pm
Todd please quit misusing the term "Progressive" you are a liar warmonger neoliberal Clintonite Russophobic bigot, who like the other of your ilk have nuclear war with Russia and human extinction has your obvious goals. Prog
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:43pm
(continued) 
Progressives are not bloodthirsty warmongers or bigots of any kind, Russophobic or otherwise. You are about as much a "Progressive" as Richard Nixon or Hillary Clinton. 
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:48pm
Oh, and Again Todd, that linked resource DEBUNKS your Clintonite Russiagate McCarthyite Russian Hacking conspiracy theories nonsense. Unless you have something in the way of actual evidence to prove your accusations they stand as nothing but DEBUNKED insane conspiracy theories. And yes I hate a fake progressive lunatic working hard to wipe out civilization and the human species more than measly Republicans. Just like a rabid mountain lion is more of a threat than a cockroach infestation. Both are problematic but only one will probably get one killed. 
Todd Flora Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:48pm
Oh, my God... @Jenifer Frost ... you're like, a crazy person? You write like a complete wacko. And no, you don't get to define me. 
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 5:51pm
And you don't get to usurp OUR preexisting terminology. Find your own club Todd us Progressives don't want you in ours. Note the Russiagate debunking resource I linked was also written by a Progressive. A REAL Progressive, not a liar fraud like yourself. 
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 7:28pm
Mr. Flora insists that he cannot be defined, but he's more than willing to insist that I'm no patriot. Typical of his breed and mentality; if you don't go along with him, you're not a real American patriot. The progressive guilt trip scenario, the shopworn ideology of an obsolete movement who have convinced themselves they're still relevant. Jen serves up his progressive philosophy and he rejects it. I think she's on target here.
Todd Flora Added Jun 23, 2017 - 7:46pm
I said IF you don't care that our country was attacked, or have no interest in investigating what happened... you're no patriot. I said it conditionally, not as some out of nowhere attack. Also, this Jen person you are so fond of is a real nut job. I agree with about 80-90 percent of the positions she has on her profile, and look at how she treats me. 
Leroy Added Jun 23, 2017 - 7:48pm
The Republicans should fund Pelosi's next campaign.  She's the best thing the Republicans have going for them.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 23, 2017 - 7:59pm
Recall that there were two special election Tuesday George and South Carolina.  The Democrats dumped money in to the George race but not in the North Carolina race.  They are not stupid and thought the changing demographics in the district and the one percent win of Trump made this seat vulnerable.  
 
So stop trying to spin the election decisions made by the people that put money forward.  It they wanted to support a democratic candidate they could have chosen the South Carolina race.  They put the money into George because the potential of winning was the highest for all the 5 special elections since November 20, 2016.  
 
Trump I think had nothing to do with this race.  The national Democratic party does not represent the base of Democratic voters, and the national Republican party does not represent the base of Republican voters.   Special elections generally bring out the base only.  But with the amount of money spent they got the independents to get involved.  The independents are not represented by either national party.   Both candidates were identified with the national party.  So the choice of the voters was which national party best serves my personal interests.  The choice by 3% were the Republican party.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 8:22pm
Nonetheless Thomas, had the Dems won they (and their cohorts in the media) would have characterized the win as a referendum, a rebuke of the Trump policies. They were looking for some political traction to use against Trump.They didn't get it. Had they won, they would be making political hay as we write.
As one famous politician, Tip O'Neill said: "all politics is local."
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 8:24pm
Leroy, I agree. I'm tempted to send some money to Pelosi's campaign fund, but the liberal Californians from her district have that covered anyway.
Leroy Added Jun 23, 2017 - 8:33pm
"Also, this Jen person you are so fond of is a real nut job. I agree with about 80-90 percent of the positions she has on her profile, and look at how she treats me."
 
Priestess is the local Russophile.  Rule #1: Thou shalt not criticize Mother Russia.  If you follow this rule, you will get along just fine. 
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 8:36pm
Todd the fake "Progressive" writes "Also, this Jen person you are so fond of is a real nut job. I agree with about 80-90 percent of the positions she has on her profile, and look at how she treats me." 
I don't care what someone says they believe, it's what they do that defines them. And what you are doing is pushing debunked Russiagate/Russian Hacking lies. As a Kemetian Truth and Justice are my highest priorities. That and preserving the world for our children's futures. That cannot be achieved buried under radioactive ash. And being that all you have is evidence-free accusations you could never impeach Trump with this McCarthyite bullshit. The endless demonizing and antagonizing of Russia can only have one objective, war. And war with Russia will surely turn nuclear resulting in the end of the human species. These are just the facts. What other objectives are you claiming for this madness if not human extinction? Who's the real nut job here, the one of us exposing your Treacherous plan, or the bloodthirsty warmonger backing the genocidal murders of billions all based on ludicrous conspiracy theories? 
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 8:39pm
“We Are Inches From A New World War, And Clintonists Are To Blame” https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/we-are-inches-from-a-new-world-war-and-clintonists-are-to-blame-da51d09e4fac
To quote from the article "This is your fault, Clinton Democrats. You created this, and if our species is plunged into a new world war or extinction via nuclear holocaust, it will be your fault."
 
None of 
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 8:41pm
(continued) 
this has anything to do with the article topic anyhow, Todd is just looking for a platform to push his crazy conspiracy theories and irrational hate. But for the record as far as I'm concerned Jeff Jackson (& probably everyone else here) are more patriotic than some psycho like Todd working tirelessly to destroy not only the United States, but the entire world. 
John G Added Jun 23, 2017 - 8:55pm
The Dem Party exists to frustrate the organisation of interests of the working class. It is the other faction of the ruling class party that pays lip service only to popular interests.
The USA is a pretend democracy.
John G Added Jun 23, 2017 - 9:09pm
This Todd person seems like a caricature of a DNC useful idiot.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 9:22pm
Couldn't agree more John.
Todd Flora Added Jun 23, 2017 - 9:24pm
John G, explain "useful idiot" to me? Does this mean "stooge" or something? I can assure you no one at the DNC knows who I am. Here's me, everyone: www.ToddFlora.com .... I'm a progressive guy who loves this country but also with a healthy sense of humor. 
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 9:33pm
Why, yes, Todd, and your bitter "this article is as inaccurate as it is offensive" is the prefect reflection of that sense of humor. You can stop the shameless self-promotion any time now. 
This article is as inaccurate as it is offensive.
This article is as inaccurate as it is offensive.
John G Added Jun 23, 2017 - 9:36pm
You don't read like a progressive to me Todd. All this McCarthyite hysteria is manufactured.
Progressive leftists aren't supposed to follow like sheep. That's for the right wing and their liberal cousins.
John G Added Jun 23, 2017 - 9:44pm
They ran another corporate Democrat in Ossoff and lost. Big surprise.
They'd rather lose than get behind an actual progressive.
Pelosi is the leader of the party because she raises loads of money. Not because she'll get the progressive vote.
Jenifer Frost Added Jun 23, 2017 - 9:57pm
I prefer the term McResistance Maddow Muppet for those like Todd. 
John G Added Jun 23, 2017 - 10:13pm
What form does Todd think these imaginary cyber attacks took?
Micahel Dolan Added Jun 23, 2017 - 11:44pm
Todd-Hillary Clinton loser-Benghazi Hillary loser-Foundation Hillary loser- Secret email server loser-One thing Hillary did best- got drunk after PRESIDENT TRUMP beat her and spared us from having to listen to a pathetic Loser.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 23, 2017 - 11:54pm
Hillary's coming back, she loves being in the public eye, it's just the same public that she thinks is beneath her. She acts as if she wants to be worshipped. She wanted to be the president not for the people, but for herself. Just as she wanted the Department of State emails to be in her control and no one else could see them. She wants to write her own history from her perspective, and no other perspective matters. And they say Trump is narcissistic.
George N Romey Added Jun 24, 2017 - 5:00am
The fake progressives can't shut up about Russia, which is NO threat to this country.  Both parties are headed towards a show down because neither does a damn thing for the American people.  Both are bought and paid for by Wall Street, big pharma, the MIC, corporations and greedy plutocrats.
John Minehan Added Jun 24, 2017 - 8:10am
None of these races add much.
 
In each case it was a GOP District and remained that way, although the winner won by less than the tendency has been.
 
The best conclusion might be that the polity is still polarized. 
John Minehan Added Jun 24, 2017 - 8:13am
"The USA is a pretend democracy."
 
The US is not a democracy at all.  It is a republic. 
Dino Manalis Added Jun 24, 2017 - 8:57am
Ideology is the main problem, not Pelosi, class warfare doesn't work, we all want hope and better conditions in the future!  We're all human beings and deserve peace; stability; and prosperity!
Skip Stein Added Jun 24, 2017 - 9:17am
What Jennifer Frost said!  Also what George Romey said. Seems I agree with most of their statements so no use saying more besides that China is one Hell of a bigger threat, geopolitically, economically, militarily than Russia (no matter Putin's aspirations).
 
The liberal/progressive/dems have no issues, no platform and no position on anything except hate Trump.  THaT is why HC lost and why they continue to loose.  They are a dying party with no bench strength (all are over 70+) while the Republicans are loaded with young up & comers.
Ian Thorpe Added Jun 24, 2017 - 10:00am
Hi Jeff, I get the feeling that like Britain's Labour Party, the Democrats ceased to have any intention of representing the working class. The working class however are deeply conservative (with a very small 'c') and once convinced a party is the best choice for their class, they stick with it. Hence the oft - repeated quip "In this constituency they'd vote for a dog turd if you pinned a Labour rosette on it."
Things are changing though, there you have Trump for better or for worse, here despite hugely unpopular opponents (mainly because The Conservatives are perceived to have abandoned Conservatism for politically correct globalist policies) in the last two elections, Labour have come nowhere near winning a majority.
The left are not winning the arguments in spite of conservative efforts to lose them.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 24, 2017 - 10:09am
The "old guard" of the Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary, Chuck Schumer, all want to remain in power, or in HRC's case, influential, and they're dragging the party down. The party itself has pretty much said so by hinting Pelosi should step down, but much to the delight of the Republicans, she isn't going to.
Ian-loved the dog turd reference. One other thing of many about the Democrats is that they are supporting all of this climate change blather and closing manufacturing plants while China ignores environmental concerns, pollutes away and takes away jobs. If the pollution is going to happen anyway, at least let them keep their jobs.
Micahel Dolan Added Jun 24, 2017 - 10:56am
Jeff- Hell maybe coming for Progressive Democrats.
John the traitor Podesta has just been ordered to appear before---- The House Intelligence Agency for an interview-He will be put underoath-Hil-lda-Beast is panicking.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 24, 2017 - 11:37am
Micahel-make no mistake, Podesta knows where all the bodies are buried, at least with the recent (in the past 4 years) Clinton antics. The other bodies are buried all around the various places where the Clintons have lived. I heard somewhere that Podesta allegedly "spoke" with the Russians. Uh-oh. 
George N Romey Added Jun 24, 2017 - 1:19pm
The corporate wing of the Democratic party is done. 
Micahel Dolan Added Jun 24, 2017 - 1:58pm
Podesta has been hitched with  Hillary for so long. This could be the first step to dragging the "Whole Clinton Machine into the jail cell,--where it belongs.   
I hope the investigation ask about Seth Rich----
Ian Thorpe Added Jun 24, 2017 - 2:36pm
Funny you should mention China Jeff, I've had several conversations with 'liberals' who were trying to tell the realists that China is totally committed to green energy and is installing wind turbines faster than any other nation. It's true but misleading, they don't mention that China is also opening coal fired power plants faster than any other nation.
Nothing wrong with getting power from wind energy of course, though its foolish to rely on it but what if the Chinese are thinking that if they can store power generated when the wind blows, that could be useful. An opening for Elon Musk to sell his batteries? Not quite.
In the 1980s we opened an unusual hydro at Dynorwig in Wales. We don't have room for big dams in UK so hydroelectric generators are not the best option but what was different about Dynorwig was it stored off peak power from nearby Trawsfynnyd (Welsh place name are great aren't they?) nuclear plant by pumping it up to a high dam. This was then capable of giving the grid a short term boost at peak times.
Now in China they have huge rivers with deep gorges and the regime would not be squeamish about the 'human rights issues' involved in moving a few hundred thousand people and flooding their home so that the gorge of some tributary could serve as a giant battery. Nor would they be worried about environmental issues like drowning a few pandas.
Can you imagine the outcry from Pelosi and co if Trump approved a plan to flood a gorge in The Rockies.
I don't know if that's what is happening but I'm sure the Chinese have not suddenly become carbonophobic. But green inititatives are rarely what they seem to be and while concern for the environment is important it has to be balances with other considerations in the national interest.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 24, 2017 - 3:19pm
Yes, Ian, the Chinese have the same "get it done, we don't care who dies getting it done" mentality of former Chairman Mao. The Communist Party simply doesn't care how it gets done, what other impact it has, or who or what dies or is relocated. I guess when you have over 1 billion people losing a few thousand for the sake of progress doesn't mean much.
John G Added Jun 24, 2017 - 4:26pm
Minehan. The US is not a democracy at all.  It is a republic. 
And why does being a republic preclude it also being a democracy in your mind?
John G Added Jun 24, 2017 - 4:29pm
UK Labour is coming back as they reject the Blairite rightwing nonsense.
wsucram15 Added Jun 24, 2017 - 5:04pm
Jeff..it was 23 million, and because the media and Dems made such a big ordeal over it, The Republicans also threw in around 27 million, making it the most expensive race in history.
Had no one said a word, the same thing could have been accomplished for a fraction of the price such as SC.   All I can say is WOW.
I agree with George..100%, completely..cant say it any clearer.  So disappointed in the leadership and I have worked with most of them, Pelosi included. 
PErez should not be in charge of DNC either, should be ellison.  But I dont get a vote.  I campaigned hard on that one..need new blood.
 
But its the same with Republicans..new blood.
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 24, 2017 - 9:33pm
I still think that the Democrats wanted desperately for this election to be a referendum, a tide that they thought would ride into the 2018 mid-year elections. If anything, the people aren't as angry with Trump as are the Democrats.
John G Added Jun 25, 2017 - 3:32am
The Dems ran a Republican candidate. People won't vote for the pretender when they can vote for the real thing. But the DNC would rather lose than have a progressive win.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 25, 2017 - 8:43am
Republican real thing, John G. really so explain how this is real? 60 house votes repeal AHA.  Jan 8 2016 Ryan and McConnell put a repeal AHA on Obama's Desk.  He VETOED it.  Ryan said he would put the bill on a Republican President after 2016 election and it will become law.  Mitch McConnell said for re-election I am leading the fight to repeal AHA "root and branch."  
AHCA and BCRA as Prof. Johnathan Gruber "the Architect of AHA" said, "this is not repeal."  So where is the honesty.  The US federal government is the largest international corporation on the planet.  If your concerned about monopoly power then just look at the Federal government.   We have a European "right to health care program" the VA.  Yes, they do provide health care to the typical member but tell that to the family that lost their father because of neglect from the VA.    
George N Romey Added Jun 25, 2017 - 10:44am
Trump is not showing any leadership.  His enemies have him where they want him.  Trump spends his days tweeting in a desperate attempt to save his honor.  He has both houses yet his supposedly economic agenda has gone nowhere and will go nowhere.  His opposition has shut him down within six months of taking office.
Ian Thorpe Added Jun 25, 2017 - 1:19pm
George, I think if the truth was known, the corporate lobbyists have both houses.
John G Added Jun 26, 2017 - 3:17am
Sutrina, you're a ranting lunatic. I guess you're in early stage Alzheimers.