After The Chaos Comes The Rebirth

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History is full of dark periods and a rebirth that comes afterwards.  Here in the US it started with the Revolutionary War, years of a bloody campaign.  If you were alive in the Revolutionary War life likely sucked.  But afterwards was the creation of the United States.  Unfortunately over the years we've seen to lose our way in so many regards.

 

Then came the Civil War.  Americans killing other Americans in mass.  Cousin against cousin.  Again, if you lived through the four years life may have been crap.  However, afterwards came the birth of electricity, mass communication starting with the telegraph machine, modern sewage and plumbing, the automobile, sources of entertainment.

 

Then came the Depression and WW2.  Sixteen long miserable years.  Again, afterwards was the birth of a solid middle class, jet travel, even better forms of communication, modern highways, better medicines, new means of entertainment.  Finally the acknowledgement that some of us had been excluded from the American dream but we have fallen short in providing them with pathways out of poverty.

 

So now we in another dark period. Lots of anger, anxiety, confusion, fear.  Eventually all of it will lead to something better and probably will take some kind of collapse to get there.  Of course, now we have to contend with bombs that can wipe out the entire human race.  Quite different from the first two world wars.  But if we make it through what's on the other side will be much improved, not perfect mind you.

 

The wheels of the human race keep turning.  If you were born in the mid 30s to the mid 50s other than as a child you spent your years in an upswing.  If you were motivated, smart, dedicated and tenacious you had a great ride.  For those born from the late 50s through the end of the century, well you've had to contend with the dark period and might be forced to live through a reset.  That will suck. Born after the year 2000 you might be more like your great grandparents.  We shall see.

Comments

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 4, 2017 - 6:25pm
George
 
You know that I agree on your views. But for fuck's sake get more optimistic. You can only win, because you can't change anything anyway on the keyboard. And: I have a recipe: When you meet people, joke and have an open face. That works instantly :-)
 
Wait for my music article :-)
Donald Swenson Added Jul 4, 2017 - 7:07pm
George: Your thinking and examples are totally valid. The problem comes before the solution. Good work! D
Donald Swenson Added Jul 4, 2017 - 7:08pm
The negative comes prior to the positive. This, to me, is reality. D
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 4, 2017 - 7:18pm
Necessity is the mother of invention.
Tubularsock Added Jul 4, 2017 - 7:21pm
Well George, Tubularsock liked your U.S. History in a nut shell. The best part is that dream of the American Dream which in reality has always been a nightmare for the rest of the world as we pillaged their resources for our gain. All in the name of Democracy of course. 
The great thing is that the ruling powers won't destroy ALL the world because even Orange Tweet has hotel investments to protect. But if the world is lucky humans will annihilate themselves so the earth can recover from this infestation called human. Can it get any better than that? Cheers!
 
 
John G Added Jul 4, 2017 - 9:27pm
The public, including the author of this piece, has bought the lies of the deficit terrorists.
So were are told to worry about a (in and of itself irrelevant) number on a spreadsheet rather than providing enough jobs and improving social well being.
John G Added Jul 4, 2017 - 9:28pm
Only when the public wakes up to economic reality and rejects the neoliberals of all colours at the ballot box will we get out of this mess.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 4, 2017 - 9:43pm
The solution is within the problem.  
Douglas Proudfoot Added Jul 4, 2017 - 11:32pm
In general, I agree with you that problems build up until solutions are found.  At the moment, I think the US is at a critical point.  If we continue along the path of ever increasing regulation and rogue courts ignoring the law in their decisions, the US becomes a semi-free authoritarian leftist state.  The rule of law is almost gone now, and will certainly vanish if the left succeeds in removing President Trump for having bad manners and Russian contacts.  If we can get a Convention of the States that successfully amends the Constitution to reign in the courts and force Congress to approve all regulations, we could return to our original design as a Constitutional Republic with the rule of law based on the consent of the governed.  
Douglas Proudfoot Added Jul 4, 2017 - 11:48pm
I have studied the history of Britain from 450 CE to 600 CE as part of a fascination with the historical basis of the King Arthur legends.  This study taught me that things can stay badly broken for a very long time.  I mention this to caution everyone against complacency.  Right now, the US is more powerful than Rome ever was.  But Rome fell by spending so much on bread and circuses, known today as entitlements, that it couldn't afford an effective military.  Rome became so corrupt the fought each other as much as outsiders.  The last Roman legion left Britain in 410 CE to try to make its commander emperor in Rome.  They were defeated on the continent.  Britain was left defenseless.  Rome didn't allow the right to bear arms.  The chaos lasted until a little after 1066.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 5, 2017 - 12:05am
Douglas, as I suggested in the essay noting that the Supreme Court had reversed the bans imposed by the courts- impeach them, remove them from the bench and put all of the other judges on notice that they do not make policy. While there are complex problems, this is a no brainer. Remove the judges who are  making policy and inform the others of the consequences of attempting to make policy from the bench. If wrong, they give up their position. Heck, I didn't even bother with taking away their license, but if you hate them that much take their license to practice law as well.
John G Added Jul 5, 2017 - 2:47am
The sky won't fall. We are heading back into recession because we are ruled by idiots who work for the rich. And they won't spend so there will be recessions.
The Romeys of this world have no solutions because they have a completely wrong view of how the monetary system works.
But the left is coming back. Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn have proved that rational economic policies are popular and people will vote for them.
George N Romey Added Jul 5, 2017 - 12:16pm
The article is one of hope.  Maybe not for us, we might not live long enough to see the rebirth.  No one knows for sure. 
 
As far as John. Since he just rants and only listens to his own voices he wouldn't of course know that I am for a living wage, guaranteed employment, public health insurance, infrastructure spending and other social democratic programs.
Donald Swenson Added Jul 5, 2017 - 1:23pm
When the markets crash some 30 percent or more people will think differently. As long as our economy is relatively strong, voices stay positive. But wait and witness a new mindset after the markets crash. I sense that this is coming. Am I deceived? D
Douglas Proudfoot Added Jul 5, 2017 - 2:15pm
Jeff: Democrats in the Senate will never vote to remove a liberal judge.  They always vote at their party's call, and never think of thinking for themselves at all.  (From Gilbert and Sullivan "HMS Pinafore")  That's the problem.  Liberals feel justified in subverting the Constitution in court rulings, then hide behind the Constitution when others try to put things right. 
Douglas Proudfoot Added Jul 5, 2017 - 2:23pm
Donald: Fracking and no Paris Climate Agreement means no recession.  Regulatory reversals are freeing the stagnant economy.  The war on coal is over.  The Alaska National Wildlife Reserve is open for drilling.  Pipelines are being built.  Natural gas export terminals are being built.  I don't see a recession coming unless Democrats are successful in removing President Trump for having bad manners, impulse control issues and meetings with Russians.  That's not likely, but it's possible, unfortunately. 
John G Added Jul 5, 2017 - 2:49pm
Proudfoot. Was there a shortage of oil before now?
Supply side economics is only a small part of the equation.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 5, 2017 - 4:40pm
Geo Romey claims: As far as John. Since he just rants and only listens to his own voices he wouldn't of course know that I am for a living wage, guaranteed employment, public health insurance, infrastructure spending and other social democratic programs.-It's just you won't do anything about it.  Now delete so you can feel good about yourself. "Where seldom is heard, a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day..."
John G Added Jul 5, 2017 - 6:09pm
As far as John. Since he just rants and only listens to his own voices he wouldn't of course know that I am for a living wage, guaranteed employment, public health insurance, infrastructure spending and other social democratic programs.
Except that you have an ideological block on how to do it because you think that budgets need to be balanced and the currency issuers 'debt' has to be 'paid down'. 
You'll always get compromised out of what you say you want. 
This is the trap the liberals have fallen into.
Donald Swenson Added Jul 5, 2017 - 7:07pm
Our Debt can never be repaid, John. $217 trillion of global debt can never be repaid. All we can do is continue to inflate and hope for no crash. But a crash is coming as we still have cycles. Go to: www.usdebtclock.org for more evidence. D
George N Romey Added Jul 5, 2017 - 8:01pm
Donald the amount of personal, corporate and government debt, including unfunded liabilities can't even be inflated away. What will be needed is a debt jubilee but that will never happen with Central Banks.  Possibly a systemic global crash will get the reset in debt that is the only way out.
John G Added Jul 5, 2017 - 11:49pm
Currency issuers' debt never gets 'repaid'. To think in those terms just means you don't understand the concept of money.
Do you ever listen to anyone else Donald? Do you ever read the replies and try to understand the posts and posters who don't agree with you?
Your responses are robotic and repetitive.
 
John G Added Jul 5, 2017 - 11:50pm
What does 'inflating debt away', Romey?
I know you won't respond.
Donald Swenson Added Jul 6, 2017 - 12:45am
Debt grows under Keynesian economics until the markets crash. Then deflation grows as debt gets liquidated. Debt vanishes as lenders write off their losses. Virtual debt is what we have today. All this debt can be extinguished with the punch of a computer key. D
Donald Swenson Added Jul 6, 2017 - 12:47am
Debt can not be inflated away. This is myth. Think of defaults, liquidations, and deletions as the means to extinguish debt. 
Donald Swenson Added Jul 6, 2017 - 12:48am
The coming great Deflation means values decline and this creates debt liquidation. 
Donald Swenson Added Jul 6, 2017 - 12:49am
Prepare now for the coming GREAT crash of all history.
John G Added Jul 6, 2017 - 1:49am
It's pointless trying to get through to you Donald.
Like Romey, Corey and all the other self professed financial geniuses here, you conceive money as a stock only.
Money is not a stock, it is a flow. For a debt to exist there must be a corresponding credit. These debts and credits are created and extinguished in vast quantities every hour of every day of the week, every week of every year.
But you just can't conceive it and like Romey/Corey et al, you won't even try.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 6, 2017 - 10:14am
George, it is hardly as dark as the period from 1930-1945.  Bombs are not raining on the cities of Europe, and unemployment is not 40% in the US.  Not under employment, but unemployment was that high.
 
You moan that retail and its jobs are going away, and they are.  But you dont mention that we are short of people to work on commercial aircraft.  The air craft fleet increases every  month as more people travel, we are building a new terminal in Houston to handle more flights.  Terminals are being built elsewhere in the world.  More flights means more maintenance people, more gate people, baggage people, more cleaning people, and the whole spectrum of jobs that it takes to get aircraft from place to place.
 
We are also short of people to work on wind turbines.  Every month we put up more of them.  They need to be built, set up, and then maintained afterward. 
 
For every industry in decline, there are others rising.  There is always turmoil in the system. There is always stress in the system. 
 
I will grant you that we need to do a better job of educating people so they are prepared for the economy of the future.  We still educate people pretty much  as we did in the early 1900s, to memorize facts.  I dont think we teach people a lot about solving problems, about teamwork, about leading teams, continuous learning, or even how to run the finances of a home, just for starters.
George N Romey Added Jul 6, 2017 - 3:50pm
Yes Bill that is part of the problem.  We have skills mismatches and unfortunately someone with a solid work history and education won't get a chance to change gears because companies no longer invest in people.  Do you realize that in 1982 the company I was working for was going to send me to school and pay me a salary to become a computer programmer.  I like a young fool turned it down because I thought the work would be boring.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 6, 2017 - 4:32pm
George, when I was 35 I taught myself how to program, and took a job as a contractor at less salary than I was making, so I could get experience writing software. 
 
It would be  nice if companies trained us in skills that would be needed for the next 30 year.  It would be nice if the school system taught us skills better aligned to the work place, instead of teaching us to do rote work.  However, if they fail, it is still on us to learn what we need to know to be employed.
 
No one cares more about you, than you do.
 
Burt Mustin started professional acting at age 67, after retiring from the auto business, and had a successful career for 25 years appearing in over 30 movies, and 60 TV shows.  If you made it to 60, odds are you will make to 85 at least, you should have a plan.  I dont plan to sit around watching Oprah for 25 years.
 
Programming isnt the only skill that will  be in demand.  Working on air craft has a long future.  I often seen guys on the planes with me being flown somewhere to fix a plane, because the right skill isnt onsite where the plane is broken.  These guys are getting paid tons of over time and bonuses because sometimes they are going out of country, to do the work.  Every  month they build more planes than they retire.  There are more than 100K flights a day, and this is one thing that IS growing at 3% compounded.
 
George N Romey Added Jul 6, 2017 - 5:20pm
Here is a sobering story. The Italian government claims an unemployment rate of 11.3%.  A bank recently posted a job for 30 people to fill ATM machines with cash paying 28K Euros a year, or about $32K a year.  This opening for 30 people brought 85,000 in resumes to the bank.
 
Bill the self made man is gone.  Yes one can self train but the requirement is a degree in computer science and experience.  I've met many self trained computer geeks.  A few eek it out repairing lap tops, phones, etc.  Most can't get a job.  No one is suggesting sitting on your ass but a solid work background goes nowhere in an era of technocrats.
Donald Swenson Added Jul 6, 2017 - 5:53pm
Technocrats and AI robots is the current trend. Even our money is now a cyber digits. Where does this lead? D
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 6, 2017 - 6:27pm
Nice article, George.  Good job "connecting the dots"!
George N Romey Added Jul 6, 2017 - 6:35pm
Thanks Tom. Sadly people like you, I and Donald are going to suffer through the consequences.  Hopefully in the end we make it out alive and better.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 6, 2017 - 6:54pm
Bill Kamps sez: But you dont mention that we are short of people to work on commercial aircraft.- Not only short on ground crew people, but pilots.  The pilot segment of the work force is greying out, and nobody wants to fly as a living any more.  Boeing just announced they are looking at implementing cockpit AI as a stop gap to fill aircrew demand.  They also admit that even on a good day, not having a human in the cockpit isn't as safe as it is if one is there when things go sideways in-flight.  Gotta agree with that.
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 2:16am
Romey wants social policies that benefit him AND a balanced fiscal position. Unicorns and rainbows in other words.
 
Bill Kamps Added Jul 7, 2017 - 2:38pm
C'mon George, get real.  I work with ten people programming computers ( under 30 ) and NONE have a degree in computer science.  Yes they have degrees in math, or engineering or some kind of science, but they didnt learn programming in a university.  A degree in computer science is not at all necessary in our industry.
 
You generalize too many anecdotes to trends, which are just not  true.
 
Stop saying "others" are responsible for our futures.  "Others" may help or hinder but we are responsible for our own futures, or they are not likely to be happy.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 7, 2017 - 2:42pm
John G, agreed.  He seems to think there is someone running the economy and that someone needs to do a better job.  He also seems to think the corporations are responsible for finding jobs for us and they are failing at this responsibility.  In fact it is our responsibility to have the skills that make us employable.
George N Romey Added Jul 7, 2017 - 3:03pm
Yes Bill they have DEGRESS IN MATH. Do you think they would have gotten those jobs with a high school diploma?  Also I've never said corporations should hire for no reason, however, I think they should stop spending trillions on stock buy backs and acquisitions.  I do believe that we should guarantee employment through an infrastructure bank.  Our society and country are lagging in many areas.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 7, 2017 - 3:33pm
I dont understand your point.  First you say we cant self teach ourselves programming any more (no more self made man you said), that one needs a Computer Science to be hired. Then you say having a degree in Math is a substitute for the Computer Science degree, as if that would  teach someone programming.
 
Im not saying people should not educate themselves beyond high school. I have a degree from a university.  This conversation started because you said you were offered the opportunity to go to a programming class and passed on it.  I just said one doesnt need to go to class to learn programming.  The  degree in Math, didnt teach the guy programming, he taught himself, which was MY point.  The degree in Math was not enough to get him employed.  Most programmers I know are self taught.  
 
I am in fact saying our education should not stop at the university, and we have a responsibility to ourselves and family to keep our skills up to date so we are employable.  I decided that the best way for me was to learn programming, for others it may be different.  Try getting a job with a BS in Math, you cant if you dont know how to do something with the Math, like computer programming.
 
Granted the country has problems.  I dont think we educate people very well for the real world.  We dont teach people to solve problems.  I also dont think people realize they have to continue to educate themselves, after the age of 22,  to add to their skills so they stay employable.  Adding to one's skills is not someone else responsibility, it is ours.
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 5:42pm
John G, agreed.  He seems to think there is someone running the economy and that someone needs to do a better job.  He also seems to think the corporations are responsible for finding jobs for us and they are failing at this responsibility.  In fact it is our responsibility to have the skills that make us employable.
We don't agree. It is the federal government that is responsible for maintaining full employment. It's a waste of resources to train people for jobs that don't exist. Capitalism doesn't create jobs, it eliminates them.
Donald Swenson Added Jul 7, 2017 - 6:24pm
Today, millions of jobs are being eliminated due to AI and robots. This trend is likely to continue going forward. Technology is changing our markets and the smart phone is part of this change. We could have 5.G frequencies starting in 2018. This speeds up all transactions and interconnects the entire planet. I don't think this trend will diminish. Technology is changing Capitalism, politics, religion, education, and social relationships. D
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 6:51pm
Societies and economies evolve and adapt. The sky will not fall and you are part of the problem.
Donald Swenson Added Jul 8, 2017 - 1:33pm
Agree, John. I am part of the problem. What are you? D
George N Romey Added Jul 8, 2017 - 1:58pm
Donald, John believes he is much smarter than any of us on WB and hence his smart ass, childish responses.  Notice he has never published an article of any merit.  If we are so below him intellectually why doesn't he find a social site with people of his intellect and insight.  Maybe because he is the typical Internet troll.
John G Added Jul 10, 2017 - 1:42am
That's just your usual ad hominem Romey. 
Swenson, I am a job creator. The opposite of you and Romey.
You're recession cultists and deflation bringers.

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