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According to Wikipedia: “A conspiracy theory is an explanatory proposition that accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation.” From the Illuminati to the Freemasons to the Truthers, somehow all of the terrible nasty things that happen in the world are the result of a group of people conspiring to destroy civilization, kill people, or make themselves rich while ripping off Joe Lunchbox. Many of us would love the see proof that the rich and powerful are conspiring to keep all of us down and poor, and any message you try to sell to the public will be met with approval if you stay with that theme.

 

I like the Wikipedia article because it offers an objective view to a very subjective mindset. Many of the conspiracy theorists are suffering from cognitive dissonance. A sophisticated term, cognitive dissonance simply means that a person is “holding two or more conflicting beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.” Something has happened that is rattling the conspiracy theorist’s brains, and they can’t deal with it, so in order to put things right, they invent a conspiracy. Generally speaking, the conspiracy theorists couldn’t think their way out of a four-door outhouse, but are skilled in inventing convoluted theories hinged on specious conjecture and questionable testimonies. The best of the conspiracy theories hinge on one tiny fact that cannot be confirmed or denied, as in secret scrolls under the Great Pyramid, or documents that the government, Vatican or (place your villain here) will never release, or the person who knew the secret is dead. Of course, there are booms that people might have heard and chemicals that might have existed, even with videotape of almost the whole thing has been endlessly analyzed. Dead people knowing things is an important aspect of a conspiracy theory.

 

 

The greatest piece of evidence for the conspiracy theorists is all of the prior conspiracies. The logical fallacy “post hoc ergo propter hoc” (after this, therefore because of this) permeates the discussion. Conspiracies like the Watergate conspiracy support and confirm the conspiracy theorist’s ideas that powerful people are controlling the world behind the scenes. The conspiracy theorists would almost be correct, except for the fact that the Watergate conspirators started confessing within months of the commission of the crime. A wise man of long ago (Benjamin Franklin) said: “Three people can keep a secret as long as two of them are dead.” If you apply just this wisdom, most of the conspiracy theories fall apart, and if no one comes forward (according to the conspiracy theorists) it is because they were all surreptitiously murdered. How incredibly convenient. It’s always easy to claim someone who is deceased was a participant in a conspiracy; in fact, it’s almost their stock in trade to do so.

 

If you look at almost all of the conspiracy theories, even the super-secret Cold War conspiracies, someone always confesses. Google names like Gouzenko, Golitzyn, Philby and Fedora if you’re looking for some conspiracies; you’ll find all the conspiracies you can handle, and strangely enough, as is always the case in real-life conspiracies, someone confessed. There is one qualifier to their confessions, however, and that is that some of the confessions were lies. It took our intelligence agencies years to root out the lies, and in the mean time the Cold War raged on. Oh wait, you mean people lie to get attention? Like children? Like politicians trying to get your vote? You know, like “if you like your plan you can keep your plan.” Like the fellow who claimed to have film of a bigfoot, (known as the Patterson film) who later revealed to his children that he had a friend dress up in an ape suit?

 

There was (still is?) some whack-job named Gary Sick running around blathering about George Bush (Sr.) going to Iran in an SR-71 to negotiate with them. As I asked my professor who raised the topic (who other than this crazy idea seemed pretty reasonable) except for the fact that an SR-71 requires specific maintenance to get off the ground, (they almost never landed anywhere but at Edwards air base in California and a few other select bases equipped to handle them) and if the Iranians had in their possession one of the most sophisticated and fastest airplanes in the world, why on earth would they let it take off and return to the U.S? The Iranians had under their control the most sophisticated spyplane in the world, as well as George Bush, the former head of the CIA, and they just let him return? The Iranians could have sold the secrets of the SR-71 for millions, if not billions of dollars to the Soviet Union, China, or any other country that wanted to know about the most advanced spyplane in history. On the face of it, like most conspiracy theories, the George Bush-Iran conspiracy makes no sense; but then, few of them do.

 

The conspiracy theories are lies scaffolded upon lies with one tiny grain of truth at the bottom that has been blown so out of proportion that it might as well be telling people that eating raw turnips can cure cancer. Cancer, as the conspiracy theorists postulate, is just an invention of the doctors who make money treating it. There’s been a cure for cancer, the conspiracy theorists say, but the doctors are withholding it. I really love the cancer cure conspiracy. If anyone had a cure for cancer, they could make enough money to make Bill Gates look like a hobo. Just human greed alone prevents anyone from keeping something like a cancer cure a secret. But conspiracy theories defy logic, human behavior, and for the most part, reasoning and critical thinking. The conspiracy theorists should have a warning before you watch or listen to them, asking you to suspend all reasoning and critical thinking before you proceed.

 

I didn’t want to use Gary Sick’s name here. I don’t want to make public any names of unbalanced idiots who are making outrageous claims in the name of truth, which of course, is their insane subjective and distorted truth. What the conspiracy theorists are doing is making excuses for their disbelief in the events of the world. The cognitive dissonance has set in, and they’re so disturbed, so troubled, that there must be another explanation. Conspiracy theorists claim the mainstream people are the foolish ones, the ones who believe the media pablum that they are fed, while the conspiracy theorists grow hoarse telling us their distorted “truth.” The conspiracy theorists offer truth that doesn’t stand up to simple reasoning, truths that never have anyone come forward and admit that they were part of the conspiracy, because there was no conspiracy. The conspiracy theorists are inventors of fairy-tales for people who cannot accept what has happened, or for political reasons refuse to acknowledge events. My favorite is Holocaust denier and all-around whack-job Mahmoud Ahmedinajad, who denies what thousands, nay millions witnessed. It was all just a misunderstanding, don’t you see. Yes, I see who is misunderstanding, and someone who is a deranged, mendacious power-hungry con artist.

 

 

The 9/11 conspiracy. Yes, there were bombs planted throughout the building, and whoever did it has been kept silent. The people who ordered it have kept silent. The people who supplied the explosives have kept silent. The neoconservatives who suggested it in position papers aren’t raising one decibel of hurrah that they, by their insistence that we need a Middle East war, made it happen. Nope. Everyone is silent, except for Al-Qaeda, who admitted to it, admitted to have planned it, admitted to have trained the terrorists, who did it, and tried to do something similar in 1993.  Nope, it wasn’t them, they’re just in the right place at the right time to take credit for it. Everyone involved in the 9/11 conspiracy has been able to keep silent, something I find not only truly amazing, but in contrast to almost every human behavior pattern known to psychologists.

 

But that’s the great thing about conspiracies, they disrupt all the other theories, no matter how scientific they are, and no matter how many years of research and how many experiments and actual incidents have validated the theory. If the aforementioned people have been kept silent, it is the most successful conspiracy in recent history. I say recent history because there was the JFK conspiracy, and many more of which I am painfully not aware and I admit my ignorance of such truthful and rational things, but I also admit my ignorance is no excuse, just as the explanation of cognitive dissonance is an explanation for the belief in conspiracy theories.  

 

Conspiracy theories cause the critical thinking skills to be put on overtime, for all the wrong reasons. The critical thinking skills are critical of the reasonable explanation, like yes, they took over some airplanes, (more than one) and crashed them into buildings, and some true heroes prevented some of what their plan was trying to accomplish. Well, yes, they crashed that plane in Pennsylvania, but the twin towers thing is a conspiracy. There were orders, there were bombs, there were neoconservative position papers encouraging people to do it, and no one is owning up to it, even though something the size of the twin towers bombing would take a lot more than just a few people to pull it off. No matter, it’s a conspiracy, case closed. Microscopic evidence in dust contains chemicals that could be used in explosives, also probably found in things like office equipment. But, to be honest, reason and critical thinking have no place in conspiracy theories.

 

 

What I find most disturbing about the conspiracy theorists is the energy that could be used to reveal some of the real-life conspiracies of the world. Like a government agency accused of harassing upstart political parties who then conveniently loses hundreds of emails that would be, as matter of protocol, backed up on the disc drives of servers. Like a bank in Basel Switzerland that almost no one has heard of that has actively participated in financial scams and helped finance the Holocaust. Of course, you would have to believe that there was a Holocaust to suspect a conspiracy that financed it. Like the incestuous relationship between regulatory agencies and the industries they oversee, especially in the financial sector. Like corporations that socialize their costs and privatize their profits. There is enough truth in the world that needs to be revealed, but the “Truthers” aren’t seeing any of it. And so the cognitive dissonance, along with the fairy-tales, rages on.

 

Comments

Jeff Jackson Added Jul 7, 2017 - 12:45pm
Tom, critical thinking requires proof. There is a difference between speculation and what we would call "hard" evidence. I have no problem with people calling certain "theories" "speculation" but they do not do that, they insist that everything they say, even unproven facts as the truth and those of us who believe the official explanation are just mindless tools of propaganda.
If just a few of the people who were supposedly involved in 9/11 conspiracy were to come forward, then there might be some validity. We arrested and obtained confessions, along with damning evidence in communications later recovered the people involved in 9/11. There is too much evidence and too many people involved to even suggest that it was not as explained. The same goes for the Holocaust. There are too many people and too much evidence to indicate otherwise.
Believe what you want to believe, but don't try to sell "theories" of what might have happened, especially when the evidence is overwhelming. Gathering dust or offering alternatives as to what might have happened does not the truth make. One might criticize all of the textbooks in existence, but if they are all completely wrong, would it not be reasonable for more than a few people to rise up and insist that they are wrong, as well as offering evidence that refutes the existing evidence? This is why the conspiracy theories are balloon juice. They have tiny bits of questionable evidence that they extrapolate into a different theory of how things happened, while the overwhelming evidence stands just like it always did.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 7, 2017 - 1:11pm
Jeff Jackson sez: Many of us would love the see proof that the rich and powerful are conspiring to keep all of us down and poor-Seems this was part of a previous discussion that was not allowed to be completed.  Good article ans said WELL, Jeff.  The conspiracy theorist don't want people to do anything about their conspiracy, because the conspiracy is part of an excuse to not do anything.  "The Forces of Darkness are too powerful." AND-Many of us would love the see proof that the rich and powerful are conspiring to keep all of us down and poor, and any message you try to sell to the public will be met with approval if you stay with that theme.-Which  APPEARS TO BE THE TACTIC.  Or try and make those questioning, or even "nose thumbing" their conspiracy theory the issue, not the "theory."
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 7, 2017 - 1:39pm
Thanks Jeff, and yes, the conspiracy theorists are the people who insist nothing can be done. The nothing can be done and conspiracy theories go together like chocolate and peanut butter.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 7, 2017 - 4:00pm
Jeff Jackson notes: The nothing can be done and conspiracy theories go together like chocolate and peanut butter. - That is the last sort of thing we need right now: More reasons to disengage and not act.
Maureen Foster Added Jul 7, 2017 - 4:47pm
Watergate wasn’t a conspiracy, it was a factual event and now a part of historical record.  However, for the most part, I agree with what you’ve said about conspiracy theories.  The problem is that sometimes we don’t have an admission of guilt, such as what happened in Watergate.  To the extent we don’t, I wouldn’t lump everything into the realm of conspiracy theory.  Take the IRS scandal.  There is no way rogue agents in Cincinnati did what they did without direction from very important people in Washington.  Not to mention the fact, there is ample circumstantial, direct and anecdotal evidence that the White House played a role.  However, without definitive proof, would you discredit all those that believe Obama ordered the IRS to target conservatives as conspiracy theorists?  I certainly wouldn’t. 
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 4:49pm
Jackson Everyone is silent, except for Al-Qaeda, who admitted to it, admitted to have planned it, admitted to have trained the terrorists, who did it,
And with that false statement you prove yourself a disinformant. OBL denied any involvement in it.
Otherwise the piece is just the sort of bland nonsense one would expect of a true believer right wing authoritarian.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 7, 2017 - 5:05pm
Maureen thanks for your response. I would say that Watergate was a conspiracy that was discovered quite quickly because two or more did "actually through secret planning and deliberate action an illegal or harmful event." They secretly organized the break-in of the Democratic party headquarters to learn what the Democrats were planning. The conspiracy was revealed quite quickly, and several of the conspirators admitted what they had done, although Liddy never did, and many of the people Liddy hired were never caught, because he never ratted them out, he just did the time and revealed what he did when the statute of limitations ran out.
As for the IRS scandal, the Obama administration did one of the most pathetic investigations ever of government corruption. The truth was there, they just didn't look very hard for it. This is just another stain on the Obama administration's record. Thanks for your response.
accuses two or more persons, a group, or an organization of having caused or covered up, through secret planning and deliberate action, an illegal or harmful event or situation.
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 5:07pm
What about your Fed conspiracy theories, Jackson? Or the theory that says the US govt will go broke?
You obviously didn't do any research on those.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 7, 2017 - 5:13pm
John OBL may not have directly admitted to it, but there are tons of sources where Al Qaeda brags about killing all of those people and inflicting the damage on the U.S.
Al-Qaeda
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 7, 2017 - 5:17pm
Sorry John G I obviously don't research everything, including Fed conspiracies and the government going broke, but feel free to examine those conspiracies and let us know what you find. I am sure your objective mind will sort of the truth, as you so often do.
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 5:25pm
Jackson there are tons of sources where Al Qaeda brags about killing all of those people
Maybe in your mind. Or it may just be an oft repeated lie.
OBL specifically denied the accusations in the days after. 
So you believe in a conspiracy theory with no empirical data to support it. And worse, you propagate disinformation.
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 5:28pm
Sorry John G I obviously don't research everything, including Fed conspiracies and the government going broke,
Clearly. It is obviously absurd to believe that the issuer of the currency could 'go broke' in the currency it issues at no cost.
That's like 2  + 2.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 7, 2017 - 8:35pm
Dannl, I think the governments of those countries see Holocaust deniers as dangerous to society, and that's why they lock people up, because they are dangerous to society. As, well, I think that the people of those governments do not want to see history repeat itself, and there are certain aspects of history that should under no circumstances be denied, e.g. the Holocaust. We could certainly discuss many of the conspiracies, but I'm not one of the conspiracy believers, as you can plainly tell.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 7, 2017 - 10:35pm
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 10:36pm
More like those governments are under the thumb of the Zionist lobby which sees free speech as dangerous to its agenda of genocide and oppression.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 7, 2017 - 10:37pm
Well, Dannl, revolutions are a three-hundred page book that I haven't written, just for starters. Since The U.S. started as a rebellion with people saying things contrary to the crown, we thought that making it a right was a good idea and continued along with it. I can't speak for the Europeans or the British, who control things we like to consider rights, like saying what you think and owning firearms, just as examples. You are correct about revolutions, as they start with people talking and saying things the government doesn't like to hear.
America is beginning to restrain free speech with the laws and regulations against "hate speech" and I know more than a few people who are afraid of adopting that type of regulation, as it becomes a "slippery slope" legal situation. Free speech ends when the speaking becomes violent. As for conspiracies, we are free to conspire to change the government, as long as it does not involve violence or the violation of rights. We can talk all we want about changing the government as long as we approach it from a democratic method involving voting. Sedition is when someone wants to change the government by force, and I accept that plotting change in government by force should be a crime. If you can't get enough people to vote your way, then you accept things as they are or feel free to try to get elected.
 
Europe's situation is a bit different, as some decades ago they dealt with what could only be described as chaotic and catastrophic, costing the lives of millions of people and leaving their cities as well as their economies in a shambles. I can understand why certain speech in Europe would be legally restrained, considering what has happened before and in historical terms, rather recently. "That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons of history"- Aldous Huxley.
John G Added Jul 7, 2017 - 11:19pm
Jackson. My favorite is Holocaust denier and all-around whack-job Mahmoud Ahmedinajad,
This is more blind regurgitation of the official narrative and fits in well with Jackson's serial demonisation of and racism against middle eastern and muslim people.
Have you witnessed any actual evidence of his holocaust denial? 
It's like the commonly held belief in the USA that he threatened to 'wipe Israel off the map' isn't it?
It never happened. 
Imagine an American, the country that elected Reagan, Bush Jnr and now Trump calling leaders of sovereign nations 'wack jobs'.
 
Maureen Foster Added Jul 8, 2017 - 9:12am
If something is found to be true, it ceases to be a conspiracy any longer.  So the Watergate story is not a conspiracy, it’s a fact. 
 
Regarding the investigation of the IRS scandal, you completely missed my point.  The reason there was no investigation was because the person that orchestrated the scandalous act was Obama himself. 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 8, 2017 - 9:22am
The truth about 9-11 did come out and Freud was dead wrong. I did a video about this a couple of weeks ago, its posted here . The truth about 9 11 did come out and it was on mainstream media. Larry Silverstein admitted that wtc 7 was demolished, Donald Rumsfeld admitted that flight 93 was shot down. Its in the clips in my video linked above.
  Its not us that are suffering from cognitive dissonance, its you.
  The governments have policy papers and think tanks that outline the conspiracy, one is called "The Next Global Revolution" from the Club Of Rome. There are many others.
  Math alone tells you to question the holocaust. The testimony regarding theaters, mail rooms, and general good treatment of the Jews by the Germans is not often heard because it isn't on TV, but you can look up real holocaust testimony on YouTube. Also, the shrunken heads and human skin lampshades were shown to be a fraud.
  The holocaust has three essential characteristics (1) No Trial (a tribunal is not a trial. Tribunals are just for PTB to help their friends and harm their enemies) (2) No evidence (3) No debate.
  The thing that I am interested in is this: why are all these things so obvious and people still cannot see ? Its made deliberately obvious, its a war on reason and my next video called Dialectic is going to explain the philosophical basis for this war on reason.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 8, 2017 - 9:26am
Dialectic is about how reason sometimes collides with understanding and why, and how this dialectic can be applied. I've been working on it since the end of January and it will be about an hour and a half long. It explains Kantian philosophy at a very basic and widely applicable abstract level.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 8, 2017 - 9:29am
Eye witness testimony IS NOT evidence. If 6 million people were killed for real we would have habeaus corpus.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 8, 2017 - 10:45am
I'm happy to know that cognitive dissonance is alive and well, that we still have true believers in whack jobs and those that can deny the most convincing of evidence.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 8, 2017 - 12:41pm
Dannl, I just don't think we need to take it into the grass and forests to make our case. You make some excellent points.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 8, 2017 - 12:44pm
Who really knows who has all the gold and what claims lie floating around. I wish people would learn more about law and start applying this to what they already know. Their worlds would fall apart.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 8, 2017 - 3:40pm
Cognitive dissonance is a trait much like breathing. I do not look askance at people experiencing it. I would suggest people coming up with these wild theories are unhappy, and certainly they have trust issues. I recommend harsh punishments for anyone who lies while in an official capacity of the state, and journalists as well.
Keep in mind that "conspiracy" is a legal term, where if I assist someone in the commission of a crime I can be prosecuted for conspiracy to commit said crime, i.e. Watergate, where the "conspirators" were indeed prosecuted. I am not superego and I am not much of a Freudian. Everyone can choose what they believe, no matter how irrational.
John G Added Jul 8, 2017 - 5:07pm
"Convincing" evidence to an authoritarian like you, Jackson, may not be any evidence at all. It's all in who's telling you.
You're just silly putty in the establishment's hands.
A shiny suit and a flag is all it takes.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 8, 2017 - 5:29pm
As opposed to John G who doesn't believe anyone who might be in charge of anything, and doubts everything, no matter how well supported by evidence and testimony.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 8, 2017 - 6:36pm
re " Are these your words: in 2 Chronicles 7:14 ' if my people who are called by my name, shall humble themselves and put away their evil ways I will hear from heaven and save them'? Or wotfs to that affect?"
 
I am a Christian. If we stop our evil ways then the conspiracy against us will end.
  We support the money changers. Crypto currency seems to be slowing them down but it is a wolf in sheeps clothing, as is gold.
  Christian nations should adopt reasonable currency, that is currency earned into the economy with production. This is the only way people can own their own wealth and nations can stay out of debt.
John G Added Jul 8, 2017 - 6:36pm
I doubt everything I hear from the establishment, yes. But I don't reject evidence as you claim.
Unlike you. You will reject empirical evidence for 'testimony' from the known lying liars that lie.
You're an authoritarian mushroom.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 9, 2017 - 2:14pm
Oder sez: Next you will have me believe that all the photos of bodies piled up were from the fire bombing of Dresden, AFTER the Germans surrendered!l,ay?-Well maybe Doug has bought into "The Time Machine of the Third Reich," where the London Blitz was revenge for the bombing of Dresden and Hamburg.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 9, 2017 - 5:28pm
John G "Authoritarian mushroom" ad hominem #1.
If the Holocaust is a conspiracy theory, then would we consider the same about slavery in America, for which there is even less evidence? No films, no death camps, no mass graves, very few photographs, yet I believe it happened.
John G Added Jul 9, 2017 - 5:57pm
Jackson.
John G "Authoritarian mushroom" ad hominem #1.
You clearly don't know what ad hominem is.
I don't know why you're addressing your holocaust comments to me.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 6:29pm
LOL, you stole my thunder.  I starting writing about conspiracy theories when I saw your article.
Leroy Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:02pm
"If something is found to be true, it ceases to be a conspiracy any longer.  So the Watergate story is not a conspiracy, it’s a fact. "
 
What?  Am I understanding you correctly?  If I conspire with others to corner the silver market, it is no longer a conspiracy if I get caught?  Nonsense.
Leroy Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:12pm
We have our very own conspiracy theorist right here on WB, and a well-versed second one coming along nicely.
 
Great article, BTW.  I hope people pay attention to it
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:26pm
There is a legal term, which is "conspiracy to do whatever, theft, fraud, whatever crime," and then there are the "conspiracy theorists." Certainly, you can be charged with conspiracy to commit a crime. The term conspiracy has a connotation as "conspiracy theory" the whack jobs who believe all of the weird ideas, and then there is the legal term of conspiring to commit a crime.
Legally, "conspiracy" is just where people conspire (or get together and and plot a crime) although it has the connotation of the "conspiracy theorists" who see conspiracy when there is in fact, none.
 
Watergate was a conspiracy, as several people, John Dean, and others, conspired to break the law. It was a conspiracy- which is "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful." That is de facto and de jure a conspiracy.
"When the conspiracy was discovered and investigated by the U.S. Congress, the Nixon administration’s resistance to its probes led to a constitutional crisis," that is because they got together and planned an illegal act.
The "conspiracy theories" connotation is where people invent conspiracies when there is none. In the case of 9/11, they think that members of the government got together (conspired) to bomb the twin towers and then blame it on Al Qaeda, thus, a "conspiracy theory." There are actual legal conspiracies and people are charged as much, but the term has different meanings. Hope this clarifies.
Does this make sense?
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:29pm
Leroy is it still a conspiracy when you get caught, it is just not fulfilling the term "conspiracy theory" because "conspiracy theory" is conjecture, where conspiracy is a legal definition, so yes, it is a conspiracy to corner the silver market, a legal conspiracy, not conjecture by someone attempting to offer an explanation for something that happened.
John G Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:31pm
So, Jackson, your theory on 9/11 is : Wot my gubmint says!!!
And anyone who doesn't march in lockstep is a wack job.
Oh yeah, you're a real independent thinker, aren't you?
Little wonder you believe in your national exceptionalism and the other racist theories you've expressed on other threads.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:54pm
So you're calling me a racist and that is not an ad hominem. Amazing. It would have taken a lot more than a few people to bring down those buildings, not to mention the other airplanes involved, and no one has come forward and admitted to doing that except Al Qaeda, but I'm incapable of independent thinking (another ad hominem, that makes three on this thread) because the explanation does indeed make sense. Oh, wait, it only makes sense if you're a racist and incapable of independent thinking. Yeah, I'm buying that.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:59pm
Well, Jenifer and John G. haven't called you a Zionist troll yet.  You have that going for you.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:08pm
LOL
John G Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:20pm
So you're calling me a racist and that is not an ad hominem.
You're a racist because you've made racist statements about arabs and muslims.
You may consider that insulting but that isn't ad hominem.
Again, OBL denied all involvement. Why are you peddling this falsehood?
Why are you blind to all the glaring holes in your conspiracy theory?
Leroy Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:38pm
"Again, OBL denied all involvement."
 
OBL denied it.  Why didn't you say so?  It was definitely a coverup.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 9, 2017 - 10:09pm
There you go, a coverup. My critical thinking skills were way off track, after he preached death and destruction for years. What was I thinking?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 10:17pm
Oh, it was a coverup?  OK, works for me.  So, should I start believing in a flat earth?  Deny the Holocaust?  Ooohhh, you know what's fun?  Denying the existence of nuclear weapons.
John G Added Jul 10, 2017 - 12:41am
after he preached death and destruction for years.
You're just repeating talking points from your authority figures. And your authority figures are repeated proven liars and mass murderers.
Your belief system is not sound.
John G Added Jul 10, 2017 - 12:42am
And I note that none of you will address the huge holes in the conspiracy theory you are promoting.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 8:36am
Yeah, sorry, John.  There are no gaping holes, only a few weird anomalies.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:52am
Yes, they preached death and destruction, and very rarely allowed anyone from the press to interview them, but apparently John knows what they were really thinking, and it was all peace, love and flowers. That was why he wouldn't let anyone interview him, because his love of peace was so great, any disturbance would have interrupted the flow of love that he was channeling. 
All of those biographies and reports are lies, lie lies. One of his sons is now taking up the family purpose, he's saying how much he loves America, and America, in a move of pure propaganda and lies, has put this darling young man (named Hamza) on a terrorist watch list. How could we. We're all just the products of propaganda, mindless minions who believe what the government wants us to believe. Even though the press hasn't caught the government in a lie, that's just because they're going right along with it. It's a conspiracy, don't you know, and John has incontrovertible (sorry to use such a big word) evidence of it.
John G Added Jul 10, 2017 - 2:54pm
Kelly, I expected no less than a big dodge from you. You're obviously an experienced troll.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 10, 2017 - 3:51pm
Leroy sez:  OBL denied it.  Why didn't you say so?  It was definitely a coverup.-It's always "the coverup."  The butler did it, of course...
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 4:02pm
Leroy Added Jul 10, 2017 - 5:50pm
Kind of hard to take anyone seriously who uses a jihadi with a bloody knife as an avatar.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 8:08pm
Kinda hard to take anyone seriously who uses a redneck in a flannel shirt as an avatar.
Oh, Leroy?  It's a Nazi.  I know Trumplings see Jihadis everywhere but it's not a Jihadi.  I picked it because I thought it looked cool.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 10, 2017 - 9:19pm
Maureen sez: However, without definitive proof, would you discredit all those that believe Obama ordered the IRS to target conservatives as conspiracy theorists? To your point, it wasn't the break-in at the Watergate that was in the articles of Dick Nixon's impeachment, the conspiracy was in the cover up,and that's what got him:  the cover up of the break-in.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 10, 2017 - 9:20pm
Jeffrey Kelly notes: Kinda hard to take anyone seriously who uses a redneck in a flannel shirt as an avatar.-LOL. Actually, think ol Leroy was trying to pass his avatar off as one of "The Smith Bros." of cough drop fame...
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 9:45pm
LOL
John G Added Jul 11, 2017 - 4:15am
There are no gaping holes, only a few weird anomalies.
That you can't address.
You're a fraud Kelly. A willing and knowing participant in the genocide of Palestine.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 11, 2017 - 8:59am
@John G
"There are no gaping holes, only a few weird anomalies.
That you can't address.
You're a fraud Kelly. A willing and knowing participant in the genocide of Palestine."
Well, you caught me, John. Once Gal Gadot finishes Wonder Woman II we're going complete the final destruction of the Palestinian people.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 11, 2017 - 9:52am
I try not use the word Holocaust, Tom.  I do because it's a well known term but I prefer destruction or genocide.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 11, 2017 - 12:54pm
Nazi Tom Purcell claims: Same goes for me and the word, "Jews".  I use the word because of social connotation, not denotation.. Riiiight.
John G Added Jul 11, 2017 - 2:37pm
Well it's actually you promoting bizarre conspiracy theories Kelly.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 11, 2017 - 2:42pm
Uh, huh.
Look, I admitted it, OK?  Gal Godot and I are working on the Final Solution to the Palestinian Problem.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 12, 2017 - 9:42pm
Jeffrey Kelly sez: Gal Godot and I are working on the Final Solution to the Palestinian Problem- Danal Yoder will gladly implement it.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 13, 2017 - 9:11pm
Perfect Priestess JenJen casts more aspersions to deflect off her conspiracy theories: Who created the term Conspiracy theory and why? The answer might surprise you...- So, I suppose that anyone who calls your conspiracy theories conspiracy theories MUST be tools of the CIA.  You truly are sounding more and more like just a(nother) Millennial noise source.  How perfect. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 13, 2017 - 9:27pm
Careful.  You are going to be called a Zionist Troll if you are not careful, Jeff M.
:)
Jeff Michka Added Jul 14, 2017 - 6:50pm
Jeffrey Kelly notes: Careful.  You are going to be called a Zionist Troll if you are not careful, Jeff M.:)-LOL Well Perfect Priestess JenJen and other call me a lot of things, and others have said I was part of the international Zionist conspiracy. (Guess who?).  They layer that with a lot of other stuff, so I'm annoyingly use to it.  I wonder if they realize people are laughing at them, not with them?  Doesn't matter.  What is, is; what is just called is just that. Not accurate.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 14, 2017 - 6:53pm
It's really hard to cash paychecks from George Soros, the Deep State AND the international Zionist conspiracy. LOL  Bank goes nuts with those out-of-state czechs.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 14, 2017 - 7:02pm
Wait, you get paid????????
 
All I got was a box of dreidels.
 
LOL
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 14, 2017 - 8:15pm
So, Jenifer just posted this to her article about 9/11 doubters:
http://yournewswire.com/cia-911-wtc7/
 
So, shows over.  The CIA did it (wait, I thought it was the Mossad???).
 
At least, according to a website that counts among its articles:
 
Canadian Defence Minister: Aliens Have Visited Earth For Thousands Of Years
 
Prince Claimed ‘Royals Are Reptilian’ In Song Locked In Vault
 
So, anyway...
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 14, 2017 - 8:24pm
J effrey Kelly mentions Perfect PRIESTESS JenJen: So, Jenifer just posted this to her article about 9/11 doubters: AND So, shows over.  The CIA did it (wait, I thought it was the Mossad???).-Make up your mind about which conspiracy actors are the ones behind "All this..." Is the CIA wanting Hillary appointed president while they start WWIII, or is it Mossad?  Got to get conspirator specific so "we" know who not to trust...or maybe it's JenJen...
Jeff Michka Added Jul 14, 2017 - 8:28pm
Jeffrey Kelly notes: Wait, you get paid???????? All I got was a box of dreidels.-Doesn't everyone anti-Trump get paid?  According to the heart of the WB rightist group, we do.  You didn't hold out long enough to answer the logic-call of "...the only people upset about Trump are paid, because unless we got paid, we wouldn't object to anything R for free."
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 14, 2017 - 9:24pm
As for being paid, there are plenty of people here on WB that if they aren't getting paid, they should be. They carry the party line like it was the gospel. I love being called all the names and people who cannot reason very well telling me my critical thinking skills are minimal. You might ask my profs if my critical thinking skills are bad, most of them would disagree with some of the geniuses on this website.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 15, 2017 - 7:18pm
Jeff JACKSON DELETED MY COMMENT TO DANAL, BUT WILL QUICKLY GIVE A REPLY TO HIS DANAL COMMENT ABOVE, AND LIKE BEFORE i'll make it: F**k off, Danal.  THIS WAS GARBAGE, NOT BANTER.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:25pm
Ah, such intellectual content. Good to see solid reasoning going on here.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 17, 2017 - 9:31pm
Hey, Jeff Jackson, you deleted my post, but left D anal's screed about someone getting a sex change operation.  Huh?  I suppose some rational, "nice" comment would have provided an "intellectual" counter point, and I'm sure you have one to offer D anal, the new Michael B. who's now being rehabilitated on WB from being a woman-hating Nazi symp to "Mr. Wonderful."  You'll help ol D anal do the same...