The German Army was Awesome!

No need to recall every battle. Every student of war, War college, Wesf Point, and hobbyist know the details about the greatest Army ever assembled: the German Army!

If I Ever raise an Army I want it to emulate that German Army!

Not even Ghengis Khan's "Badger Mouth" against the Chinese compared to the matchless and breathtaking beauty of the "Third Reich" Army.

 

Matchless beauty!

 

I would want my Army to be feared for a thousand years I would want that Army's banner feared and loathed by evil doers and I would want Movies to shutter and stutter the mention of my Army.

 

I would want songs written and sang at weddings, at Get togethers, at Convention halls.

 

I would want a silent moment when the German Army is mentioned...then my Army!

 

" Men! You need only kill eight English today, that's it! We are outnumbered 8 to 1. That's all. Each of you, 8. GOTT STRAFE DIE ENGLANDSCHER!"

 

I would love the songs of my Army played on every Jukebox, every CD, every broadcast. I would have a wicked world trembling.."is Dannl's Army  coming? You know they are like the German Army.. Oh my God!!

 

 I would have Young people everywhere waving the banner, and singing: Your nightmare is my Paradise.

 

God Bless the German Army and adelweiss forever!

Comments

Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 2:42pm
Indeed, the Wehrmacht and Waffen SS were unsurpassed warriors, and in fact they were the forces of light, until the tide turned against them, until the gods of war abandon them to the savage Red Army and American opportunists with Jewish interests in mind.  Here's to the resolve and spirit of the German soldier, SS Marschiert in Feindesland
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 9, 2017 - 2:52pm
@Tom, yes, until the tide turned.. Remember the old story of Thor when challenged to out drink and old hag, He could not  and then challenged to armwrestle an old man who beat him?
Well, the old gag drsn from a Stein while Thor's " Stein" was connected to the sea.
The Old man who beat Thor, was 'old man Time"
The German Army was as fearless as the "300" Spartans, but out numbered.
Forgotten? No! The German Army never will be.
@Peter Corey. Better learn German, my friend, if I understand old prophecy, the Germans are on the rise again.
Guten tag! Es ist immer gut wen wir  susammen sehen!:)
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 2:52pm
Heh, "gods of war" failing the Reich is an expression I've heard uttered on behalf of the terribly overstated occult-types of Nazis.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 2:55pm
Agreed, Dannl.  I've compared the Waffen SS and Wehrmacht soldiers to the Spartans as well. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 6:33pm
Interesting.
The German Army during WW II really was without peer.  It took the combined efforts of the three most industrialized countries in the world to defeat it.  
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 6:36pm
...not to mention, Jeffrey, all of the countries that German forces had liberated between Russia and Deutschland between 1939-1941...when the tide turned they were pointing German-made arms at yesterday's comrades. 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 9, 2017 - 6:40pm
@Jeffery. Indeed and the world was verrry close to speaking German today, nicht War? :)
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 9, 2017 - 6:41pm
@Tom. Nice side bar thanks!
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 6:42pm
 
:).  Anytime.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 6:43pm
@Tom Purcell:
"not to mention, Jeffrey, all of the countries that German forces had liberated between Russia and Deutschland between 1939-1941...when the tide turned they were pointing German-made arms at yesterday's comrades."
 
You mean those countries that German policy allowed the Soviets to gobble up?
Michael B. Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:28pm
If there is one single person responsible for what the German Army did in WW2, that person would be General Hans von Seeckt. He was chosen by the post-WW1 politicians for numerous reasons, mostly because he was counted upon to work with the politicians and not against them. Although seemingly going along with the program, von Seeckt's main aim was to "neutralize the poisons contained in the disarmament clauses of the [Versailles] Treaty." It was primarily General von Seeckt who established much of the programs and policies of the Reichswehr, which he commanded until 1926, that led to many of the German Army's successes in the early stages of WW2. The Reichswehr, limited to 100,000 men and 4,000 officers, actually presented General von Seeckt with a relatively easy assignment; he retained the creme de la creme of the officers, and made sure that every NCO (Non-Commissioned Officer, for which the Versailles Treaty made no mention of) was officer material. That's really what set them apart, besides the general toughness of the soldiers; superior leadership. In the majority of the Wehrmacht's campaigns, they almost invariably fought against forces which were numerically superior to them across the board.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:31pm
@Michael. Thanks for that information. Wow!
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:43pm
Michael B. has a great knowledge base when it comes to the Wehrmacht.  He was also stationed in Germany when he was the U.S Army.  Am I accurate, Michael?  What parts did you get to know again? 
Michael B. Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:46pm
General von Seeckt was a visionary for sure, in the strictest military sense; in 1923, he wrote something to the effect that "The armies of the future will be relatively small, but of very high quality, and rendered much more effective by the inclusion and co-ordination of the other armed services, especially that of air power." I cannot help but to think of the current U.S. military in that sense, but of course, there are numerous other problems associated with having an army that is small, but of high quality. Multiple combat tours over many years has certainly taken its toll.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 7:57pm
@Michael B.
Seekt also saw the value in the combined arms style of attack (commonly mislabeled as "Blitzkreig") that the British used to great effect at the end of WW I.  The idea was to utilize the mobility of tanks and airplanes to bypass strongpoints and hammer supply lines and disrupt enemy communications.  It also favored surrounding enemy forces and cutting them off from assistance.
 
Guderian continued this, realizing the importance of massing tanks instead of doling them out like the British and French (this helped neutralize British and French tank superiority).  Manstein was incredibly effective in using this concept in both attack and defense.  The issue is that defense-in-depth (like what the Soviets did at Kursk) neutralizes this concept and leaves the attacking force vulnerable to be surrounded.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:00pm
I know y'all have met but I'm obliged to mention Jeffrey too, he's a smart dude with a solid WWII base and passion for history but, he opposes me and categorizes me as a "denier", which is the first thing holocaust harpies say to me,  that I'm a denier.  Jeffrey will engage in discussion though, as you've seen before.  Respectable.  :) 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:06pm
Dannl Yoder sez:  Forgotten? No! The German Army never will be.-And Nazi Tom Purcell will help!!!  He'll even enlist others to help.  The German Army/Vahalla/Third Reich stuff or nothing! AND Nazi Tom Purcell sez: me as a "denier", How 'bout just you as a Nazi?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:08pm
Lol... Jeff, we were doing so well talking about motorbikes!  Let's just stick to that, because we both know we are worlds apart on this subject.  What say you?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:19pm
@ Tom Purcell:
Don't take it personally, I call all of the Holocaust deniers I meet on-line "deniers."
 
:)
 
In one of the great ironies of history, Mikhail Tukhachevsky, the brilliant Red Army General, also advocated this "all-arms" style of attack with massed tanks and planes.  This came from close German-Soviet cooperation during the Weimar Republic that included German testing of planes and tanks on Soviet soil.  They did this to evade the Versailles Treaty.  Tukhachevsky saw the value in it but he fell afoul of Stalin and was purged.  
Jeff Michka Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:22pm
Purcell sez: Lol... Jeff, we were doing so well talking about motorbikes! A long as the discussion hadn't veered into "Rides of the Third Reich", we were fine. And as long as it doesn't get into much "Fueher Love and Third Reich Seduction", perhaps so.  We'll proceed case by case.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:27pm
The irony of being called a denier by Jeffrey, is that he is in denial of the whole truth...nothing personal of course, Jeffrey.  ;)  To deny is easy, but to confirm is hard.  The burden of proof is, and has always been on the harpies, not the deniers.  Yet we "deniers" are always the one's having to dodge stones that are thrown by the self proclaimed, morally superior, academic harpies. 
 
The scope of the holocaust is so heavily disputed because it lacks plausibility and practicality.  However many Jews perished in WWII and many were in fact killed, however many were in camps, there was not a planned "extermination" of anyone by the Reich.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:28pm
Well, Jeff, you shan't break my stride, even if you have good taste in guitars and motorcycles. 
Michael B. Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:32pm
@ Jeffrey K. - There's a very interesting book called The German Generals Talk written by Basel Liddell-Hart that is essentially a compendium of interviews that Hart compiled while interviewing many German generals while in British captivity in the immediate post-war period. Many of the Germans either read Hart's work in translation or directly, as even then many of them were fluent in English. It's funny how most of them, regardless of their views of Hitler and Nazism, were dedicated to the destruction of Communism and of the state of Poland, which makes sense from their perspective, as many of them came from eastern parts of Germany and saw their estates and lands threatened by what they considered to be bolshevism.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:51pm
@Tom Purcell:
"The irony of being called a denier by Jeffrey, is that he is in denial of the whole truth...nothing personal of course, Jeffrey. ;)"
 
What truth is that, Tom?
 
"To deny is easy, but to confirm is hard."
 
It's been confirmed, over and over and over........
 
"The burden of proof is, and has always been on the harpies, not the deniers."
 
Well, that burden of proof is matched over and over and over....
 
"Yet we "deniers" are always the one's having to dodge stones that are thrown by the self proclaimed, morally superior, academic harpies."
 
I don't know about any of them, Tom, but I don't think it's too much to ask for proof from Holocaust deniers.  I mean, the burden of proof lies on those who offer an alternate view of history.

"The scope of the holocaust is so heavily disputed because it lacks plausibility and practicality."
 
I've never understood that one.  The Nazis hated the Jews, they already showed a genocidal bent in the way they treated the disabled and Soviet POWs and they controlled the part of Europe where most of the Jews lived.  
 
The Nazis used gas chambers on the disabled (including proto-gas vans) and tested the newest model of gas vans on Soviet POWs at Mauthausen.  It doesn't take much effort to construct crude gas chambers.  What's implausible or impractical about that?  Most Jews died close to or in their countries of origin.
 
"However many Jews perished in WWII and many were in fact killed, however many were in camps, there was not a planned "extermination" of anyone by the Reich."
 
Well, it takes planning to build extermination camps and truck people to them.  How can you say it wasn't planned?  Was it just some vast improvisation?
Patrick Writes Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:54pm
They weren't that impressive at the end of the war.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:55pm
@ Michael B.
"@ Jeffrey K. - There's a very interesting book called The German Generals Talk written by Basel Liddell-Hart that is essentially a compendium of interviews that Hart compiled while interviewing many German generals while in British captivity in the immediate post-war period. Many of the Germans either read Hart's work in translation or directly, as even then many of them were fluent in English. It's funny how most of them, regardless of their views of Hitler and Nazism, were dedicated to the destruction of Communism and of the state of Poland, which makes sense from their perspective, as many of them came from eastern parts of Germany and saw their estates and lands threatened by what they considered to be bolshevism."
 
I've never read it, Michael.  I'll try and pick it up sometime.
Patrick Writes Added Jul 9, 2017 - 8:57pm
A similar topic is why were the British generals of WWI and WWII so bad if they were the dominant world power for over a century? 
 
Battle of the Somme? 
Gallipoli? 
Jutland (naval battle)? 
Dunkirk? 
Michael B. Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:10pm
Patrick, although the Brits definitely have an impressive record as far as their empire-building record is concerned, most of their empire-building actions were against primitive people with primitive weapons and tactics. Whenever they were faced with a fully armed and prepared foe, they didn't fare so well; look at D-Day; the Limeys were supposed to take the city of Caen within a couple of days, but they didn't take it until much later. Don't get me wrong, the Limeys and their minions are a bunch of brave and tough motherfuckers, but to defer to their leadership is a joke, lol.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:10pm
You know, a vast improvisation might be more accurate.  To explain in detail will require an article in itself, and perhaps I will try and get to writing one but for now;
 
Germany grew to have little tolerance for Jews, and rightfully so.  If you must point out what the Germans did to the Jews, than you must ask what have the Jews done to the Germans? 
 
Jews were at the greedy beating heart of German economic collapses from the late 18th century to the early 20th century, mainly the early 20th.  Jews lead the primary threat against Europeans, in bolshevism.  Not every Jew was a Bolshevik but then, not every snake will bite you, and you would want to live in a society with snakes all over the place would you?  - Not knowing which ones might highjack your home or business, or which ones bite?
 
They wanted to relocate the Jews and no, they weren't very nice about it.  The absence of remorse was a combination of the times in which they lived, the culture of the people both German and Juden, and the desperate peril the German people suffered from as a result of Jews serving Jewish interests - at least, according to them.  And while I say, "according to them", I obviously see more truth in this scenario than Germans just feeling a sense of "Aryan supremacy".   
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:15pm
My what wonderful Magicians the Germans were. Let's say for the sake of commending the Germans, that they did make 6 million people disappear.
How can we prevent that from ever happing again? Some say jail time for anyone who denies the Germans did that. Others say ',pass lawsa against anyone who says uvly things..hate crime.
Fine! Do all that, but to prevent this trick from ever bring copied, don't you have to know how it was done?
1st. The Germans had the manpower and the logistics to carry out this deed. Am I the only one wondering how that was done?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:18pm
As far as the so called holocaust, that may well have been subsequent result of famine, disease, scarce resources and overextended medical personnel, and of circumstances of war in itself.  They held too many prisoners.  Political prisoners suffered a lot and frankly, to this day there are too many Jews meddling in our politics.  They (most Jews) aren't Americans or Germans or Poles or Russians unless it's to their momentary benefit.  They are Jews first and Jews believe they are superior to non-Jews.  Racial superiority indoctrinates with much darker ideas of racial and religious supremacy than Germans ever did, despite the disgustingly overstated Aryan supremacy the mainstream media has claimed to have been a motivator for Germans to mistreat Jews.  Well, nein.   
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:24pm
And if too many political prisoners were Jews, is that the fault of the soldiers who guarded them?  If too many of them died, was it certainly by design?  And whether or not there were "extermination camps" or "death camps" as the modern media likes to term them, whether or not there was a so called holocaust of Jews....6 million?  And even if you like that magic number of 6 million that holds a sacred, prophetic, religious value to fundamental Jews is the accurate total "exterminated", it still pales in comparison to the more than 10 million Germans and 25 million Russians.  Where are their reparations?  Where is there racial state?  They don't get one, but Jews get Zion/Israel?  What makes them so special?  Awe the poor Jews - eternally persecuted unjustly,  even though they've been officially pogromed from 109 nations, so far.  I guess all 109 nations must have been a society of assholes, racists, bigots, Nazis, what have you, to want rid of "God's chosen people."
Michael B. Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:27pm
You guys have exceeded my capacity, lol.....I'd rather switch gears and talk about the exquisite blow job I received over the weekend, lol.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:28pm
@ Patrick.." They weren't that impressive after the war"
and neither was Samson, after Delilah betrayed him, Patrick, but in case you missed the meaning of Samson, it is this: right now "Samson" is treading corn while Yahoo's are hurling insults at him and spitting on him.
Who is this "Samson" from the tribe of Dan?
Wollen sie zu erraten?:)
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:31pm
You'd have made a good Landser or Red Army soldier, Michael B... sometimes you just seem like you prefer primal existence...  'eat, shit, sleep, shoot, get drunk, fuck, piss, eat, sleep, shit, shoot/kill, repeat.'   ;)
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:33pm
I mean that in friendly banter, Michael.  :)  You made me laugh!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:36pm
@Patrick Writes and Michael B.:
If you can try and find a book called "Mud, Blood and Poppycock" by Gordon Corrigon (I also highly recommend his Military History of WW II) I highly recommend it.  
The British weren't bad during WW I, they ran into the same problem everyone on the Western Front did, that defensive firepower overwhelmed offensive firepower.  The situation was reversed in the East, the scope of the Eastern Front made it easier to maneuver.
Communications were extremely primitive so it was hard to support breakthroughs.  Everyone quickly realized that defensive depth was key so even if forward trenches were taken defenders simply retreated to the next set of trenches and so on.
Remember, the Brits invented tanks and learned to pair them with airplanes.  In the end they combined tanks, airplanes and infantry very skillfully.
It just took awhile gain the technology and the skill to use it.  
If you look at WW II, the best explanation I've seen is that between WW I and II the Brits lost their advantage by neglecting their armed forces and became specialized in fighting colonial wars.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:38pm
OK, Houdini Made an elephant disappear, David Copperfield made the Statue if Ljberty disappear. How did Germany make 6 million people disappear and fight a debilitating war?
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:42pm
A debilitating war at the same time as the magic act.
You do know that "Holocaust" is a ritual sacrifice? My  Duay Bible says that Abraham was going to make a 'Holocaust' to  God.. KJV says 'sacrifice'
Michael B. Added Jul 9, 2017 - 9:48pm
@ Tom P. - LOL, I'd like to think that my priorities are in order! However, being a lifelong student of military history, and living in Germany for six years (two in the military, and the rest as a civilian), I think I have more experience than most in experiencing what William L. Shirer described as "this great but baffling nation," meaning Germany.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 11:23pm
The German Volk can be perplex.  Germans aren't typically "simple folk" from what I've experienced.  Early 20th century Germans were on average, leaps and bounds ahead of modern Americans when it comes to culture and education.  Before there was high society New York and the likes, there was cosmopolitan Berlin, Munich, Vienna, and all of the splendid art, education,  innovation and culture that came out of Germany and Europe before it was swallowed up by the Red Menace.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 9, 2017 - 11:28pm
Then in so many ways, while the Reds were busy getting their vengeance jollies on helpless Germans in 1945, the U.S. pillaged German science, technology, art, culture and innovation, amongst other loot.
John Minehan Added Jul 10, 2017 - 12:50am
Tukhachevsky was a brilliant military thinker. Wonder what would have happened if he had lived . . . .
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 10, 2017 - 8:32am
Hallo DY
 
Freut mich, einen zu sehen, der Deutsch spricht. Obwohl ich vom Thema selber nicht allzuviel halte ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 10, 2017 - 8:34am
BTW: The Germans are our cousins. So - I guess we know them quite well ;-)
Michael B. Added Jul 10, 2017 - 8:44am
"Tukhachevsky was a brilliant military thinker. Wonder what would have happened if he had lived . . . ."
 
Not only him, but the hundreds of other high and low-ranking officers that Stalin murdered during the purges of 1937-1938. Stalin managed to gut the officer corps of the Red Army more thoroughly than any war could have done. That, and the Red Army's correspondingly dismal performance during the Winter War with Finland were key factors in Hitler's ultimate decision to invade the USSR.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 9:12am
@Tom Purcell:
"You know, a vast improvisation might be more accurate."
 
No, it isn't. It took planning to set up the camps the Jews were sent to and it took planning for the Germans to train, arm and equip the Einsatzgruppen, SS Cavalry and the Order Police (and their proxies) that shot so many Jews during the war.
 
"To explain in detail will require an article in itself, and perhaps I will try and get to writing one but for now;"
 
I look forward to it.
 
"Germany grew to have little tolerance for Jews, and rightfully so."
 
Really? The 500,000 or so Jews living in Germany were, for the most part, loyal Germans who voted for Centrist Parties, not Social Democrat or Communist.
 
"If you must point out what the Germans did to the Jews, than you must ask what have the Jews done to the Germans?"
 
Uh, be loyal citizens?

"Jews were at the greedy beating heart of German economic collapses from the late 18th century to the early 20th century, mainly the early 20th."
 
LOL, that's the normal boom and bust cycle of Capitalism. It happens.
 
"Jews lead the primary threat against Europeans, in bolshevism."
 
Now, Jews led Spartacist Uprising in Germany after WW I. But, as I said, German Jews did not support Communism or Social Democracy.
 
"Not every Jew was a Bolshevik but then, not every snake will bite you, and you would want to live in a society with snakes all over the place would you? - Not knowing which ones might highjack your home or business, or which ones bite?"
 
I'm going to repeat the bit about German Jews and Centrist Parties.
 
"They wanted to relocate the Jews and no, they weren't very nice about it."
 
Really? Where did all those Jews go, then?
 
"The absence of remorse was a combination of the times in which they lived, the culture of the people both German and Juden, and the desperate peril the German people suffered from as a result of Jews serving Jewish interests - at least, according to them. And while I say, "according to them", I obviously see more truth in this scenario than Germans just feeling a sense of "Aryan supremacy"."
 
M'kay.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:18am
All across the area of Europe in question, a minimum of 8,000 bodies 24/7within 4 years  ahad to be murdered and the disposed of and this had to be done right up to the final weeks of war-to include the day of Liberation.
This is what it would take to accomplish 6 million bodies.
Now was it by fire? ( Holo- Caust) an inferno required for that would be visible, like a fire in California sends smoke into Oregon. But the German magic here is truely impressive.
Shot 8,000 a day? Ok nothing like leaving Germans on the front to kill with their bare hands because ammo is needed by  excess troops, nay, women..to execute harmless and loyal Rev.2:9 Jews.
Now, shoot shovel and shut up. No one must find a football size pit 10 feet deep fevery single day..every day, man! Not one day vacation!
You can't have 8 thousand bodies strewn across the country side. That involves huge cinviys of trucks, lad!
Ground the bodies to dust. Nice trick. Which Hans Dietrich did this? Hand crank? Huge elevators and factory outlets?
Those ckever Germans! See what I am saying about their Genius?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:24am
Good points, Dannl.  There was not enough petrol in all of Europe to burn half the bodies the Reich allegedly "exterminated". 
 
Then there's the ridiculous notion that they all lined up by the thousands in so called "death camps" to comply to an orderly, suicidal asphyxiation. 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:25am
Let's not seriously consider the details in 'ovens' required to cremate 8000 bodies a day.
My horse would laugh and kick the plow if you told him that 8 000 people a day..every day.. We're sent in with a bar of soap and gassed.
I read where one "survivor" said trucks were backed up to the " showers" and the exhaust was used to put the victim's to sleep. Pause and think of that. Get a clear picture of that convoy
But we are talking about Germans. The glorious Army that scared water out of an entire planet! Git to applaud the Magicians! Can we give a big hand?
C'mon!
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:28am
A freshly deceased human corpse is not an easy task to dispose of.  At 80% water, it takes a long time to burn and even in crematoriums, modern ones, it takes at least an hour per body.  You're right, Dannl, it was magic.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:32am
@Tom. In all seriousness, if it was the other way around and some enemy was going to hand soap, order a line-up at huge pits, or even to take a beating, I can't believe 8OOO Germans- back when Germans were Germans  would comply. Not one minute, not one day- much less everyday for 4 frightful years
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:37am
Absolutely, Dannl.  Well said.  The subject can be complex but, it doesn't take a genius, does it?  I mean, it's really about rationality and logic, isn't it?  I'm afraid that too many brains are devoid of independence in our age.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:39am
@Stone-eater: Your German is good I am not sure what you nean about the "subject" (Thema). That might be a rhetorische frage?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:50am
@Tom Purcell:
"As far as the so called holocaust, that may well have been subsequent result of famine, disease,"
 
Gas chambers, bullets.......
 
"scarce resources and overextended medical personnel,"
 
Well, thank goodness not a lot of effort was spared in this area.
 
"and of circumstances of war in itself."
 
Well, much of the trigger for the Holocaust was the scarcity of food.
 
"They held too many prisoners."
 
Yeah, lots of women and children, I wonder why?
 
"Political prisoners suffered a lot"
 
As did Jews, Poles, Soviet citizens, etc.
 
"and frankly, to this day there are too many Jews meddling in our politics."
 
Damn them for participating in politics!!!!
 
"They (most Jews) aren't Americans or Germans or Poles or Russians unless it's to their momentary benefit. They are Jews first and Jews believe they are superior to non-Jews. Racial superiority indoctrinates with much darker ideas of racial and religious supremacy"
 
See, now you are wandering off into the conspiracy zone.  Come back to me, Tom.
 
"than Germans ever did, despite the disgustingly overstated Aryan supremacy the mainstream media has claimed to have been a motivator for Germans to mistreat Jews. Well, nein."
 
Well, call me crazy (and people frequently have, my wife most of all) but the last time I checked everyone is capable of some sort of prejudice or feelings of superiority.  The Japanese, for example, were known to have an inflated sense of racial superiority.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:53am
Awesome, but not infinitely successful against determined Allies who fought for freedom from fascism!
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 10:58am
Well, since the Jews have a state of their own now, I see no point in them screwing up the U.S. economy and society any further.  Let them meddle where the Jew roosts, in Zion.  Better yet, move Zion to Siberia.  There will be more space for them there anyway, and they shouldn't have to displace anyone as they did in Palestine.
 
Your final passage, " the last time I checked everyone is capable of some sort of prejudice or feelings of superiority.  The Japanese, for example, were known to have an inflated sense of racial superiority".  Yes of course, that's true, especially in war.  Comrades need that kind of feeling and unity.  The Japs considered themselves superior to Asians, and on a moderate propagandist level, the Japs actually attached themselves to Aryan descent. 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:03am
@Jefferey. " Where did all those Jews go"
you are just a little left of the light switch!
You gave me some thoughtful moments. I will read, view and consider the links you sent me,however, I have in my possession books that show ships ladened with Jews being deported. Let me guess, uhm, photographs prove nothing?
I have Photograh ( books) with Einstein, a devout Zionist, in a crowd of devout Zionist in Berlin. Unmolested. Photos don't prove anything, I know.
I have a picture of Sigmund Freud on board a train in Vienna being deported. Photos prove nothing.
It is interesting to note that Freud is "fleeing" with his daughter ( pictured to his right) where is his wife? Aah, that's right, this is at the time, Mr. FRAUD was ehhh, "working" his oedal complex. ( forgive the spelling, if it is not, Freudian and correct) He is displaying in the photo his famous Persian magic ring. He was indeed "Lord of the rings"
Well, Jeffrey I also have a photo of a famous American General viewing the bodies  of dead Jews. ( not pictured) the commentator tells me what he is viewing. The soldiers around him have this look of chow hounds wanting fed instead of posing nonchalantly for the photo.
I also have a photo of an ash pit the size of  Jo's Hotdog stand depicting where Jews were recently burnred. I am glad a fresh log is visible, it really makes the photo stand out. And the look on the American faces here? Priceless! It appears on one expression " I hope another log is not required. Where will I get it"
I hope that answers your question Jefferey, where all those Jews went. But remember: photos prove nithing.: (
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:05am
Let's play a game.
This is the Hoefle Telegram:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Hoefletelegram.jpg
 
It breaks down numbers for the Action Reinhard Camps, until December 31st, 1942.

L 24.733
B 434.508
S 101.370
T 713.555
 
Those are the total numbers for the camps up until that point, Belzec closed shortly thereafter so those numbers are complete.  Sobibor and Treblinka received prisoners until the uprisings at those camps.
 
Now, the Hoefle Telegram is a decode, finally released in the early 2000's.  It is missing a number for Treblinka but it also gives a total for the camps so we can deduce the missing number.
This is the total:
1,274,166.
 
So, over a million Jews "transited" to those camps in less than a year.
 
This game is called:
What happened to them?
 
 
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:07am
What happened to them?  They most likely enjoyed easy living in America or Israel, getting fat on German treasure and benefiting from victimhood.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:10am
There is a chance that some just went unaccounted for, some died, many changed identity or vanished.  It was the nature of that war, regardless of race or religion.  I know one thing, soap and lampshades were not made from the remains of dead Jews, that was one of many fantastical holocaust myths.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:14am
And this just in. Jews don't seem thankful that one more "Nazi" available for the slaughter.. That and an ongoing war! There would be no Jews left to kill Palestinians ( well the British did this for them) and steal their lands.
Wasn't it Fraulein Greta Von Heimlich who told the rescued Jews, " Gimme a big hug!"?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:15am
@Tom Purcell:
"Well, since the Jews have a state of their own now, I see no point in them screwing up the U.S. economy and society any further."
 
So, Jews are the root of all our ills!!!!!!  How amazing!!!!!!!
I thought it was Hispanics and refugees.
 
 
"Let them meddle where the Jew roosts, in Zion."
 
So, all the Jews should go to Israel?
 
"Better yet, move Zion to Siberia. There will be more space for them there anyway, and they shouldn't have to displace anyone as they did in Palestine."
 
What about the Siberians?
 
Tom, let's be honest here.  You don't give a crap about the poor Palestinians.  They are non-white and the majority are Muslims.
Also, during the war the Germans displaced Poles and Jews in order to settle Germans in their place.  It caused a great deal of hardship.
Do you have any sympathy for them?  What about the Poles, Ukrainians, Belorussians and Hungarians displaced after the war?  Any sympathy for them?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:18am
@Tom Purcell:
"What happened to them? They most likely enjoyed easy living in America or Israel, getting fat on German treasure and benefiting from victimhood."
 
Prove it.  No guessing allowed.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:20am
@Tom Purcell:
"There is a chance that some just went unaccounted for, some died, many changed identity or vanished. It was the nature of that war, regardless of race or religion."
 
Yeah, I still want proof.
 
"I know one thing, soap and lampshades were not made from the remains of dead Jews, that was one of many fantastical holocaust myths."
 
Where during the trial at the IMT was this information entered into evidence and where does it say the victims were Jews?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:26am
Germany only sought to regain German territory stripped from them at the Treaty of Versailles but the war evolved, and they gained more than that quite rapidly.  It's fair to say that Poland started the conflict that built up to WWII.  So, while there is always concern and sympathy for innocent people caught up in war, including the peoples you listed.   Displaced or worse the poor folks, there is also an element of reality that war maims or kills almost everything in its path. 
 
I have as much sympathy for Palestinians as anyone.  I think the west made a huge error by establishing Israel so stupidly and cruelly.  I don't have hatred for Muslims, and I don't see myself as "superior" per se.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:32am
Ok, Jeffrey is now asking for proof that there was not a holocaust?  Where is the proof of planned, carried out extermination?  How do you prove that a "holocaust" didn't happen?  If a woman claims she is raped by someone, but that person doesn't exist and there is no physical evidence that a crime occurred, for how long do the police have to prove that the woman wasn't raped?  When does it end?  Those in denial are on your side of this subject, because it would be too alarming for y'all to think we've been lied to by our government for 70 years.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:34am
In summation. The German Army was Awesome ( and Jews should be glad that another year was needed to end the war. These Magicians would have done some real mischief!(
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:37am
@Tom Purcell:
"Germany only sought to regain German territory stripped from them at the Treaty of Versailles"
 
They did, peacefully.  The British and French handed them whatever they wanted, including territory that was not theirs (Austria was it's own entity and the Sudetenland was never German).  
 
"but the war evolved, and they gained more than that quite rapidly.
 
Well, that's what happens when you invade other countries.
 
"It's fair to say that Poland started the conflict that built up to WWII."
 
No, it's not.  You are aware that Germany  invaded them, right?
 
"So, while there is always concern and sympathy for innocent people caught up in war, including the peoples you listed. Displaced or worse the poor folks, there is also an element of reality that war maims or kills almost everything in its path."
 
I don't disagree..except that in this case the Germans made life miserable for those they conquered.

"I have as much sympathy for Palestinians as anyone. I think the west made a huge error by establishing Israel so stupidly and cruelly. I don't have hatred for Muslims, and I don't see myself as "superior" per se."
 
Well, that's good to know.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:40am
Tom
 
I think the west made a huge error by establishing Israel so stupidly and cruelly
 
Fully agree. Could be said, in anothe context
 
I think the early US settlers made a huge error by establishing the US so stupidly and cruelly
 
;-)
 
Humans never learn, do they...
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:46am
@Tom Purcell:
"Ok, Jeffrey is now asking for proof that there was not a holocaust?"
 
No, I'm asking for deniers to actually prove their alternate history.
 
"Where is the proof of planned, carried out extermination?"
 
The proof is that between 5-6 million Jews vanished during WW II.  The proof is that we have documents on the extermination process, what was found at these sites after the war, trials, testimony, etc.
Where is the evidence from deniers, Tom?  Why can't they provide any?
 
"How do you prove that a "holocaust" didn't happen?"
 
You find documented proof of where those Jews vanished.  I've always said that there should be personnel records, records of transport, eyewitness testimony, etc. of vast numbers of Jews transported from the East to wherever the Germans stashed them.  Denier theory indicates those Jews went to the USSR.  Very well, where is the proof of that?
 
"If a woman claims she is raped by someone, but that person doesn't exist and there is no physical evidence that a crime occurred, for how long do the police have to prove that the woman wasn't raped? When does it end?"
 
I'm going to go with that's irrelevant and a poor comparison.
 
"Those in denial are on your side of this subject, because it would be too alarming for y'all to think we've been lied to by our government for 70 years."
 
Tom, I've studied Holocaust denial.  I've looked at what they try and pass off as evidence.  It's laughable at best and at worst badly distorted.
 
Why no leakers about this "hoax?"  Why no deep throat or tell all memoirs?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:46am
Poles were committing horrific atrocities against ethnic Germans within their borders, and then Germany invaded.  After Germany invaded Poland Sept 1, 1939, England and France declared war on Germany.  Then WWII was born.
 
You have to acknowledge that east of Germany, countries were liberated from Soviet control and/or influence.  Hailed as heroes from 1939-1941, after tides turned they were suddenly considered murderers and conquerors.  You also ought to acknowledge that the winners write the history, and all of the heroic deeds our nation has participated in must be righteous...right?  America can only be viewed as flawless and ideal by her citizens because otherwise, she is just another tyrannical empire with a limited timespan on world dominance.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:49am
Stone, I see your point but there's a big difference between Europeans and Scandinavians exploring the new world in the last 500+ years, and the west inserting a country all for one race of people that considers themselves "God's chosen people".  History will teach us that the west really blew it when it comes to post WWII actions and inactions and especially as it pertains to Zion.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:54am
@Tom Purcell:
"Poles were committing horrific atrocities against ethnic Germans within their borders, and then Germany invaded."
 
Tom, that's simply not the case.  The Poles discriminated against the ethnic Germans before the war but they did the same to Polish Jews, Ukrainians and Belorussians.  So, any sympathy for them?
Poles committed atrocities against ethnic Germans AFTER the invasion, not before.
 
"After Germany invaded Poland Sept 1, 1939, England and France declared war on Germany. Then WWII was born."
 
Because Germany invaded Poland, an ally of the French and British.  Both repeatedy warned Hitler that war would result... and he did it anyway.  That's on him.

You have to acknowledge that east of Germany, countries were liberated from Soviet control and/or influence."
 
Why were those countries under Soviet control or influence, Tom?
 
"Hailed as heroes from 1939-1941, after tides turned they were suddenly considered murderers and conquerors."
 
Because of what Germans did in those countries, Tom.  Any initial enthusiasm for the Germans turned south once the Germans started pillaging food, industrial plants and even people from those countries.
 
"You also ought to acknowledge that the winners write the history, and all of the heroic deeds our nation has participated in must be righteous...right? America can only be viewed as flawless and ideal by her citizens because otherwise, she is just another tyrannical empire with a limited timespan on world dominance."
 
I don't consider America flawless and the allies and Soviets committed their own crimes during the war.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 10, 2017 - 11:58am
Jeffrey, you're being evasive, my friend.  To write off the points I make with replies such as "M'kay" and "I'm going to  go with that's irrelevant..." and one of my favorites, "I've studied the holocaust so...." and "It's laughable evidence...".  Which evidence is laughable?  It's the lack of evidence that there was a racial, religious holy war the Germans conducted, that no one else  knew about?  Which by the way, that was determined via propaganda-assisted deduction, not indisputable proofs.  They took everything they could, Germany's enemies, to demonize their cause which was essentially, to save Europe and preserve western civilization.    They accused Hitler and the Reich of world conquest then after Germany's destruction, the Soviets and Americans commenced world domination.  Just irony? 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2017 - 12:36pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Jeffrey, you're being evasive, my friend. To write off the points I make with replies such as "M'kay""
 
I do that when I see something that is simply opinion and I don't feel like running over an opinion.
 
"and "I'm going to go with that's irrelevant..."
 
It was irrelevant.
 
"and one of my favorites, "I've studied the holocaust so...."
 
I said I studied Holocaust DENIAL.
 
"and "It's laughable evidence...".
 
It is laughable. 
 
"Which evidence is laughable?"
 
Pretty much all of it.
 
"It's the lack of evidence that there was a racial, religious holy war the Germans conducted, that no one else knew about?"
 
No, I'm talking about the lack of evidence that deniers have to support their "theories."
 
"Which by the way, that was determined via propaganda-assisted deduction, not indisputable proofs."
 
What about the documents that the Germans wrote describing the various killing processes?  
 
"They took everything they could, Germany's enemies,"
 
Well, they didn't have to work very hard.
 
"to demonize their cause which was essentially, to save Europe and preserve western civilization."
 
Under German hegemony...
 
"They accused Hitler and the Reich of world conquest"
 
I admit, that was pretty weak.  I've seen arguments on both sides of this.  Myself, I think Hitler's focus was European.
 
"then after Germany's destruction, the Soviets and Americans commenced world domination. Just irony?"
 
That's not a bad point though it's debatable how much either side "dominated."
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 3:25pm
Let's hear from a "witness"
NPR Oct.18,2016, Benjamin Ferencz, 96 year old prosecutor at Nuremburg trials.
" I was a combat soldier during the war, until the last week's when I was assigned to General Patton's Office
"we liberated a host of death camps"
"Dead bodies stacked like cord wood, disease everywhere"
"3000 German soldiers killed people everyday for about 2 years"
I prosecuted 22 higher ranking members of these [murderers] Germans. Some of them had PhDs."
" The Germans were kind enough to leave registry and proof of everything they had done"
Do I need to point out some itsy bitsy problems with this?
Stating with Benjamin F. Is a Jew. He went from combat soldier to lawyer?
He went to a "host of other death camps"? 
 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 10, 2017 - 3:43pm
My search engine refuses to pull up the name of the US Lawyer, military officer, assigned to defending the Germans. I have the magazine back in Pennsylvania, in a shed. ( who da thot?)
He resigned his commission saying " The Germans don't stand a chance, signed confessions in English which the best if them barely understood, and obtained after horrible tortures...not a single Jewish witness could prove they were in a camp , nor were they required to"
 If even any of this is true..by the way, this lawyer was some years later found hanged in a jail cell. Apparently his touring the country and revealing the lies of Nuremburg were too much for some group of people.. If even any of this is true, it is a blot on an "humanity" sooo much more moral than a German.
Heil yes!
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 10, 2017 - 4:27pm
Gulp
Jeff Michka Added Jul 10, 2017 - 7:32pm
Danal Yoder sez: I have the magazine back in Pennsylvania, in a shed. ( who da thot?)-Wow, hysterical documents?  Call Billy the Nazi, so he can reprint this valued tome, saving it from either mice or chickens?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 11, 2017 - 10:07am
Dannl, Jeffrey,
 
Rarely do I enjoy a WWII drama, but I do highly recommend 'Generation War', the three part series in German with English subtitles.  In a few parts it serves the Jewish narrative but far less so than Hollywood films, it's more realistic.  But since you both share these interests with me, my opinion is that you can actually gain insight, learn a little about  what it was to be a young German from 1941 -.
 
The film focuses on 5 friends, 2 of which are brothers that serve in the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front.   Here's a couple songs that illustrate the movie in via music videos:  Friedhelm Winter - Lost - Generation War, Stratovarius - Move the Mountain - Generation War.
 
Heh, I asked my wife to watch this with me and she did.  She's cool like that, but is extremely uncomfortable with my research, and my work on WWII history.  Anyway, she told me that if I were a character in the movie, I'd be Friedhelm, the younger of the two brothers.  There are some similarities so perhaps in a previous life I was on the Eastern Front or something.  Why not, George S. Patton believed he fought in the Napoleonic wars in a past life!  Lol.
 
I hope you give this one a chance.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 11, 2017 - 10:16am
My wife did a bit of a double take when she came across my copy of Yitzak Arad's "Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Camps" while visiting me in my apartment (this is before we got married).  She also wonders a tad when we get the Amazon box filled with books about WW II and she couldn't figure out why it was so important for me to own the "Lodz Ghetto Chronicle."  
 
But, she puts up with it.  I've also started getting more Kindle versions of books (a lot of times they are cheaper).  I guess she figures it's a cheaper midlife crisis than me buying a new car.
 
I'll see if I can track down the movie.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 11, 2017 - 10:19am
Jeffrey, lol.  See, we're not so different are we?  That's interesting.  My wife always sneers at my books too. 
 
'Generation War' is available on Netflix and Amazon in various forms.  It really is an excellent film.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 11, 2017 - 10:32am
Oh, wait, I did see that on Netflix.
 
Thanks for the recommendation. When I get a chance I will watch it.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 11, 2017 - 10:33am
I think you'll appreciate it.  Maybe watch it with your other half if she's interested. 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 11, 2017 - 1:15pm
@Tom,Jeffrey, et Al.
I do not own a T.V. nor do I watch movies. Sometimes, though I will scan a YouTube. Mostly flat earth stuff and holoqwas stuff..stop laughing Jeffrey. This is a smart phone; it hears you.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 11, 2017 - 1:21pm
LOL
Tubularsock Added Jul 16, 2017 - 2:39pm
When one idealizes a killing machine it may be worth a little self-inquiry.
 
Either there is no real concept of genocide or massacre in your experience or there is a lack of compassion of those that are not like you.
 
Now, if your family was butchered in front of you would your first comment be, “Well gosh those Germans, Americans, Russians, Chinese ad nauseam sure are an effective killing force. I’m sure going to respect their ability and effectiveness!”?
 
There is a difference between a death by movie and your friend being held in your arms.
 
Tubularsock would suggest people spend a little bit more time thinking what killing is in reality rather than the textbook view.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:46pm
@Tubularsock, are you speaking to an audience or to a plow line?
Just think about it...no insult here. The Book of Martyrs is full of witnesses
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 18, 2017 - 6:42pm
Well stated TubukarSock. Indeed. You are speaking compassion for the murder of the unborn, yes?: )
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 19, 2017 - 5:52pm
#Jeff M. I left your remark on here long enough.
Now it is deleted. You are not going to promote your filth and vulgarize my name on my site.
You can disagree with me, fine. You can call me names, fine. Your filth will not be tolerated. You are not welcome on this site until you apologize.
The best way for folks to deal with you toilet mouth, is to delete you.

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