Macron Makes Honest Criticism Of Africa - Get's Called A Nazi

Plenty of room inside the African Malthusia express



It is on record that none of the contributors to this blog have much time for recently elected French President Emmnuel Macron. We have dubbed the former Goldman Sachs executive a 'grandmotherfucker' and dismissed him as just another globalist appartchik who will do the bidding of the faceless people who run the financial cartels. However we should always give credit where it is due and, fair play to the lad, he is the first European leader to publicly utter the truth about why the problems of that dysfunctional continent, Africa, are insoluble.

 

Macron has been criticised for claiming Africa's perpetual humanitarian crisis is due to 'civilizational problems' and women in tribal societies having "seven or eight children" hampering social and economic development in African nations.

 

Addressing a session of the the G20 summit, the French President was questioned by a reporter from former French colony Ivory Coast on the possibility of implementing a policy like America's Marshall Plan for rebuilding Europe after the Second World War to kick start economic development in African nations.

 

"The problems Africa faces today are completely different {to those of Europe after World War Two]  and are civilizational", Mr Macron told the journalist. "What are the problems?" he went on. "Failed states, tribalism and extremely difficult demographic transitions."

 

Only through by a more rigorous form of governance, a fight against corruption, a fight for rule of law, a successful demographic transition when countries today have seven or eight children per woman, can change be achieved," Mr Macron added. "At the moment, spending billions of Euros outright would stablise nothing. So the transformation plan that we have to conduct together must be developed according to African interests by and with African leaders."

 

In a far reaching reply, Mr Macron also identified issues such as Islamist terrorism, drugs and weapons trafficking and human trafficking.

 

He said that although France had controlled dozens of colonial territories across Africa and accepted responsibility to help with infrastructure, education and heath, a simple money transfer was not the answer. Again he is correct, billions of Dollars, Pounds, Euros, Francs, and Marks have been thrown at Africa's problems since the end of colonialism and yet the crises only ever seem to get worse.

 

He is absolutely right of course, Africa's population explosion is unsustainable. Nigeria is on course to be the world's third most populated nation by 2050, passing Russia, Brazil, Indonesia and the USA. With a population estimated at 195million, Nigeria has seen a 200% growth in population since 1967. Ethiopia, where a famine that threatened the lives of millions of a population that stod at 40 million triggered the 'Live Aid' relief effort in 1985 is now over 100million. And yet there has been no agrarian or industrial revolution in Africa in that time, attempts to encourage the use of contraception have been resisted and many tribal communities simply refuse to adapt their traditional lifestyles to changing conditions.

 

At the time of writing, Ethiopia, with a population three times larger than last time, is facing a famine caused by prolonged drought again.

 

Not only is hunger an ever greater problem in some parts of Africa, with vast numbers of people dependent on aid agencies for food, there are also crises arising from shortages of drinking water in drier regions. With economic development not just stalled but propped up on bricks at the roadside because the wheels have been stolen, there is little to invest in infrastructure projects such as a water distribution grid.

 

To make matters worse global corporations, having no doubt bribed government officials, are privatising water supplies so in future only those who can afford to pay for water will be able to drink safely.,  (To do your bit about this, ask your readers to boycott Nestle products)

 

The excerpt of Macron's speech published on Saturday went largely unnoticed during the G20 summit, where saw violent protests by 'anti - capitalist' protesters disrupted life in Hamburg and effectively distracted the media from important news. But an edited clip of his response being shared on social media has since provoked outrage, with the kind of left wing activists who set Hamburg alight accusing the French President of blaming women for poverty, being a Nazi and, inevitably, racism.

 

Media figures also criticised Mr Macron for referring only to "Africa", rather than specific nations, ignoring huge differences across the world's second largest continent. Writing for South Africa's Daily Vox website, Mishka Wazar said: Africa is not a country. You cannot, as a world leader (or even an ordinary person on the streets with no political ambitions) conflate African nations with Africa.

 

Siddhartha Mitter, writing for Quartz Africa, commented: Macron's remarks fall into a tradition of grandiloquent and condescending statements about Africa that point to every cause of the continent’s difficulties other than colonialism and its enduring trace, he wrote. £There is a long history of population panic and its use in racist ideology."

 

Mr Macron called colonisation a during his election campaign called colonialism crime against humanity but has been quiet on France's troubled legacy since his election victory.

He visited Mali, where thousands of French troops are bolstering local forces against an Islamist and separatist insurgency, during his first foreign tour in May and has restated France's commitment to military intervention in the Sahel region.

 

Comments

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 13, 2017 - 4:25pm
"Failed states, tribalism and extremely difficult demographic transitions"
 
What a fucking asshole. Old military colonization has been replaced by economic colonization and exploitation as it ever was. Resources.
 
That idiot is too stupid or too young to see that ALL presidents of francophone Africa from Senghor to Eyadema to Nguesso to Compaore to Biya are and were French bought puppet regimes.
 
I don't even discuss that shit anymore.
 
Ask IMF/World Bank and WEF about the practices on how they plunder the continent. In Africa, every country is in fact 2 countries: Customs and government are one, the people are the other.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 13, 2017 - 4:26pm
BTW: Anyone who is really interested in the truth is welcome to come to Africa. The people know what's going on. But they can do fuck all about it....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 13, 2017 - 4:30pm
has restated France's commitment to military intervention in the Sahel region
 
What did I say before ? The French are the same as the US or the Brits. Desperately trying to preserve power over regions they don't have ANYTHING to do.
 
What can an American do when he has an intruder on his property by law ? Shoot him...
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 13, 2017 - 4:31pm
,,,sorry, that subject gets me extremely hot.....;-)
Dino Manalis Added Jul 13, 2017 - 4:37pm
Better governance should be the main focus to use Africa's wealth responsibly to invest in people and infrastructure.  Economic improvements would lead to social changes.  For example, all African countries should transform the continent into a free trade zone without tariffs and other trade barriers, while North Africa ought to be part of a Mediterranean enterprise zone to boost the region and world economy.  Africans themselves have to modernize Africa and America's Export-Import Bank ought to help poor countries buy food; medicine; and anything else they need!
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 13, 2017 - 4:45pm
Dino
 
Good ideas, but Africans can NOT decide. As Europe can not decide as well. It's the US who decides, because the US$ is still world currency and linked to oil. That's what the intention of BRICS is: To break the $ hegemony. Before, nothing will change.
 
Simple as that.
John G Added Jul 13, 2017 - 10:15pm
Africa's population explosion is unsustainable.
Rubbish. Africa has less than a billion people. The IMF enforced agricultural export model is what is unsustainable.
Macron is a Eurocentric liar.
Colonialism never went away. Just the PR changed.
John G Added Jul 14, 2017 - 4:07am
There's a reason why the French were so keen to overthrow Gadhaffi and destroy Libya as a functioning nation.
And it isn't law, order and good governance. Nor independence.
Quite the opposite.
It was about keeping Africa down, ruled by corrupt satraps of the west and forever stunted and ripe for the economic rape by western corporate pirates.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:29am
HL
 
it looks like you own IT firms in Africa
 
LOL Not quite, My IT "firm" is actually an NGO, and the new company SW@XE is a consulting firm. We connect businesses from Europe to businesses in Africa. The goal is not exploitation but actively trying to help developing the local job market. But we just started really.
 
And I have and am living with the people not in a white luxury slum. I don't have more money than the people I work with.
 
Believe it or not.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:33am
BTW: Instead of lamenting about economic refugees in Europe people should better start doing such stuff. After all, WE are responsible for that situation by simply exploiting Africa and not giving a shit about their development.
 
I don't know ONE African who has left his family for other reasons than finding work in Europe and supporting his family from there.
 
Family and clan are holy in Africa. Nobody leaves if not absolutely neccessary.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:34am
John
 
Right on.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:38am
John G; were you born a complete idiot or do you have to work at it. My guess is maintaining your level of stupid had become a full time job for you.
Anybody with a many brain cells as they have tits or testicles would understand the ability of a nation to support a growing population is not dependent on physical space but having the economy and infrastructure to support its population. Only somebody who has been completely brainwashed by left wing propaganda would put forward the "there's plenty of room" argument, and as for you "economic colonialism" argument, the African tribal leaders who sold out their people for corporate money are as much to blame as any western interests.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:48am
Ian
 
the African tribal leaders who sold out their people for corporate money are as much to blame as any western interests.
 
Admitted, true. Keeps being forgotten here, or PC forbids it. On the contrary, in Africa people point that out too. They're a lot more rational than our "free press".
 
BTW: The birth rate is alarming. Why ? Because the more kids a family has the better the chance that one or two of them find a job, and in certain countries the governments pay a very modest sum for each kid. When you have 10 kids in Mali, that's the equivalent of a monthly workers' salary......
 
It's not about religion. It's about economy, stupid LOL
 
JOBS. When there would be enough, most problems would be solved.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:51am
BTW: The way people prepare food, two or 5 or 10 kids don't make the same difference as here. They don't need many clothes, and gadgets or vacations are off limits anyway. The whole way of life is difficult to explain to someone who hasn't lived it.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:54am
SEF, I agree that grandmotherfucker Macron is an arsehole, but I can't accept your placing blame entirely on the former colonial powers and the USA.
African leaders, with very few exceptions, are not puppets, they are bought and paid for assets who don't give a flying fuck about the people they govern because they are only interested in lining their own pockets and looking after their friends and the military they rely on to keep them in power.
And you of all people should know that because Swiss banks facilitate the corrupt deals between corporate pirates and African tyrants.
I do feel for the people of Africa who are abused and exploited by both their own leaders and the west, but a few years ago I read an essay by Dambesa Moyo, an academic from Zambia I think. She argued that before African can  begin to solve its problems the addiction to western aid must be broken because 'dead aid' as she called it simply does not work.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:57am
Dino, your solutions are intelligent and reasonable but before they could begin to work it would be necessary to rid African nations of the endemic corruption that blights their development.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 14, 2017 - 12:12pm
Linestepper, SEF is one of the good guys and I don't think his businesses are on a par with the corporate pirates that are plundering Africa. On the question of a new, corporate colonialism however, I think what the French president meant was that since the end of colonial rule many African nations seem to have slipped backwards towards tribalism and barbarity.
Recall how left wing activists in the west idolised Winnie Mandela in the 1980s, before it emerged that Mrs. Mandela was running organised crime networks in the townships and had known of executions by various tortures including necklacing.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 12:45pm
Ian
 
African leaders, with very few exceptions, are not puppets, they are bought and paid for assets who don't give a flying fuck about the people they govern because they are only interested in lining their own pockets and looking after their friends and the military they rely on to keep them in power.
 
I know. Fact. But when the West would stop to employ them.......the problem is that these countries are too poor, too little educated and too little organized to enable an effective change by people pressure.
 
And the well-meaning ones are killed or imprisoned. Take Sankara, Nkrumah, .... Kennedy LOL
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 12:46pm
BTW: Not only we Swiss. London and the US are no better with their offshore locations. I find it hypocritical to criticize us only.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 12:48pm
BTW: I agree on Dambisa Moyo. But the fate of Gadhafi has shown what happens when you refuse to play their game....
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 14, 2017 - 1:48pm
SEF: " London and the US are no better ..."
Yeah but you'd already mentioned them :-)
 
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 14, 2017 - 1:52pm
SEF, you're right on Gadaffi, but which game he was killed for not playing is uncertain. There's the gold based currency theory, the water pipeline theory, the Wahhabi colonialism theory and a few others.
And then there are suspicions that he'd followed Saddam Hussein in accepting payment for oil in currencies other than the petrodollar.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 2:04pm
And then there are suspicions that he'd followed Saddam Hussein in accepting payment for oil in currencies other than the petrodollar.   
  
That's the point, really. And it was one of the triggers for the creation of BRICS. 
John G Added Jul 14, 2017 - 5:15pm
African leaders, with very few exceptions, are not puppets, they are bought and paid for assets
Huh?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 5:28pm
John
 
Hmm.......I missed that ;-) True, the same actually, is it not, Ian ?
John G Added Jul 14, 2017 - 5:35pm
Ian, like most of the fascists around here, seems to have a tenuous relationship at best with reasoning.
NATO killed Gadhaffi but Thorpe will still argue that African leaders have free choice. 
I think it's more about melanin for Thorpe.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 5:52pm
Saddam and Gadhafi were killed because they wanted to sell their oil independently of the $ binding. Easy as that. And every African leader who doesn't follow orders of their old colonial powers (NATO -> US) is potentially dead. As are European leaders as well. But here in Europe they aren't killed, but disposed of. See Yanukovich in Ukraine as the latest example.
 
Some remarked that - and that was the birth of BRICS. But ... I see no future for them as long as Uncle Sam is the master of Uncle Ben and Salam Aleikum.
John G Added Jul 14, 2017 - 6:11pm
It was more than just oil. Gaddhaffi represented a threat to Euro-US domination of Africa by offering a genuine path to independence.
I don't subscribe to 'petro-dollar' theories.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 6:30pm
John
 
You're right, that's only a part of it. He was forcing African unity, and his country was well organized. A brother of my wife worked in Tripoli for 2 years and he said it was a superb expericence, good pay and no problems.
 
On the way back to Bamako he was attacked and the robbers (probably Touaregs) took all what he had and wanted to bring back to Mali.
 
He died in 2007 in London of AIDS. I was with him those last weeks in Hammersmith hospital. It was cruel. He didn't support the meds, and the skin just peeled off his whole body.
 
Life is shit.
John G Added Jul 14, 2017 - 6:36pm
Indeed. The US empire has no humanity. It is destroying all that is or could be good in the world to feed its owners more of what they already have too much of.
It is a sickness.
John G Added Jul 14, 2017 - 6:48pm
Speaking of Mali. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TD2ft4KPno
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 7:09pm
Bruce Cockburn ??
 
I mean, sure, in the hot sun in Mali I could burn my cock easily...
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 7:12pm
...ah ok. I don't really get the lyrics when the song starts, but the intro......
John G Added Jul 14, 2017 - 7:17pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjWbqTbeZK4
Bruce Cockburn jams with Ali Farka Toure in River of Sand
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 7:19pm
BTW: Didn't know he was so good. He should have played with Ali Farka Touré. He really can play the style.
 
Thanks a lot. A brother in mind.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 14, 2017 - 7:22pm
Ok. Got it :-) I should have thought that they know each other....you see, here, Cockburn is known as a simple folkie. I didn't know that.
Utpal Patel Added Jul 14, 2017 - 7:47pm
With so much anti-capitalist rhetoric in your article, it surprises me you condemn their actions at the G20 summit.  So what exactly are you, anti-capitalist or pro-capitalist?
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:08pm
Great article and comments, Ian. I could be wrong, but is there a cultural thing in Africa, where the status of men is determined by how many children they can father, with no regard to how many children they can support, only how many they can father. I have been told this by someone who would know. Fathering children earns males of Africa respect, but taking care of them is nothing they need be concerned about.
John G Added Jul 15, 2017 - 1:41am
Jackson. I have been told this by someone who would know. Fathering children earns males of Africa respect, but taking care of them is nothing they need be concerned about.
Were you told this at one of your Klan meetings, Jeff?
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 15, 2017 - 2:53am
G, you are despicable. A native of Africa, from Kenya, told me this.
John G Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:03am
I'm not a despicable racist though, Jeff.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:03am
And by the way, I kept her from being fired, and defended her on numerous occasions. So much for the obscene reference.
John G Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:18am
Looks like you've dribbled too much information there Jeff. Was she 16?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 15, 2017 - 8:06am
Jeff
 
Fathering children earns males of Africa respect, but taking care of them is nothing they need be concerned about
 
It may vary in different countries, but in West Africa a woman gains status with the number of children she has. But ONLY when she's married. When she's got 2 kids and is not married she'll have a hard time. But you're right about the men not taking care of them. I can confirm that through my own adoptive family in Cameroon, where my dear friend raises 10 kids of which half of the fathers simply quit the mothers and abandoned them with the child.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 15, 2017 - 8:06am
AND the child, sorry.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 15, 2017 - 9:55am
Thanks Stone-Eater for verifying what I had been told in person as well as what I have read. The truth apparently makes anyone a racist. They will have so many offspring that they starve, and beg for more resources so that they can repeat the same poor behavior. It's like giving a drunk more liquor. Thanks again.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 15, 2017 - 11:13am
Jeff
 
It also has an economic background. 10 kids give a better chance to have 2 kids working later than 1 or 2 kids. Education is expensive. And in some countries the government pays per child per month a very modest sum. So the calculation is:
 
10 kids is the equivalent of a worker's salary for the father given he finds a job...
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 15, 2017 - 10:58pm
The U.K. recently set a limit of two children that they would pay welfare for, and after two kids, you're on your own. Good idea, although the Democrats would never go for it.
John G Added Jul 15, 2017 - 11:10pm
Yeah, starving kids is excellent socio-economic policy. Austerity is not working because we haven't been austere enough eh Jeff?
We need less spending to get us out of the spending downturn, right?
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 2:59am
Yeah, starving kids is excellent socio-economic policy.
 
Keynes would have gladly approved . . . of course, only if the kids came from working class families. That's why he was head of the Eugenics Society from 1937-1944 promoting the blessings of contraception as a way of keeping the numbers of the "drunken" working classes down.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:03am
Saint George,
Thanks for reminding the resident loony leftie of one of the left's dirty little secrets.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:09am
Utpal, there is no anti - capitalist rhetoric in my article apart from some allusions to the behaviour of global corporations (which are not capitalist at all, but corporatist. And the condemnation of protestors at the G20 in an earlier post related not to their right to argue their case, but to the fact that being intellectually bankrupt they have to resort to violence, intimidation and looting (the latter of which somewhat undermines the claims of these neo - fascists to be anti - capitalist).
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:15am
Jeff, good point, while what Stone Eater says about there being economic advantage in large families in some African states is true, I also have been told by Africans working or studying in the UK than  in many tribal societies the number of children (sons) a man fathers related to his status.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:33am
Jeff, another good point about the UK benefit cap. Unlike the Chinese 'one child' policy it will not affect demographics and it leaves people free to decided the size of their family based on their means and material ambitions.
I'll try to preempt an outburst from any Trots still in the thread, by pointing out this does not exclude people on low to middle incomes from having five or six children. There are people who love family life and choose to go without a car, 60" plasma TV, foreign holidays etc. to live a different kind of life.
There is a family in the town where my mother lives, Morecambe, where the Radford family consist of two parents and 16 (maybe 17 now) children. They're not rich but the father runs a bakery business so they're not dependent on benefits. And in a TV documentary (linked) featuring them, they appear very happy. The parents have made their choices for non economic reasons and that's their right.
When people are having children for economic gain, that's going to be a bad start for the children. 
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:56am
Geez, Ian, you too supporting my so-called "racist" theories? Please be careful, you're going to come under attack by some of the trolls. By the way, I am deleting on my posts the threads that include insults and mindless conjecture of one loony leftie. I for one have had enough of these infantile rants and baseless accusations of racism, and all the rest of it. It has to stop somewhere. He can say whatever he wants on his posts, not mine anymore.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:58am
Thanks for some solid reasoning and sensible discussion Ian. There seems to be less and less of it here.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 16, 2017 - 11:00am
Jeff, I'm always on the verge of quitting this site, it would be a pity to do that because there are some good people here (not necessarily the one who usually agree with me,) but Autumn makes a fundamental error of prioritising comments over good quality content. Somewhere on the internet there is a graveyard for such sites.
Anyone offering unmoderated comment threads is going to attract a number of bottom feeders of course, but tolerance of out and out insults, with no point relating to the thread being made, has attracted a even more unpleasant kind of vermin, those repulsive creatures that live up the bottom feeders' bottoms. It only needs one or two of those to drive away good content and good readers.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 16, 2017 - 11:22am
Ian
 
That's life. I don't take that too seriously and usually comment to articles which I think have value, are personal and where I sense the person behind it. Not necessarily the subject.
 
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:50pm
SEF, I don't take it seriously (hence the bottom feeders remark)- that's why I get pissed off with the site. Life's too short to waste on bullshit that is not worth wasting time on.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 16, 2017 - 2:11pm
Ian
 
I agree, although for me it's entertainment also. No worse than watching TV. And at the same time, by being here, I could improve my English a hell of a lot in terms of "good" English but also in street "talk." So in some ways, it has educational value for me LOL,
John G Added Jul 16, 2017 - 2:39pm
Jackson the racist doesn't like the label. His comments betray him.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 4:58pm
Jackson the racist doesn't like the label. His comments betray him.
 
John G the communist hyper-inflationist doesn't like the label. His comments betray him.
MJ Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:56pm
Ian, I agree African woman generally have too many children and education is not high up on the list of a necessity.
If the West can only stop draining Africa`s resources and stop bribing corrupt governments, the living standards could be better, education can become important and maybe just maybe it will lead to fewer children per family because they would have something to strive for.
 
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:08pm
African woman generally have too many children
 
Women in all poor countries (that aren't outright communist totalitarian) generally have many children. They always have fewer children as, and if, they become more affluent.
 
The way for Africa to quickly become more affluent is to abandon tribalism and nationalism and open its doors to foreign capital investments.
MJ Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:29pm
Saint George, the doors are open to foreign investments but who wants to invest in an unstable economy?
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 8:04pm
who wants to invest in an unstable economy?
 
Then maybe the west should help stabilize it.
John Minehan Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:10pm
I spent 2004 in East Africa as an activated Army Reservist as Part of Operation Enduring Freedom.
 
It is an incredibly rugged and an incredibly poor part of the World.
 
However, I have the strong impression that Africa will be the Asia of the 21st Century.
 
They have a large population that has next to nothing and needs almost everything.  They are not tied to the past and not having land line phones, Cellphone use has exploded since 2000, for example, generally on a more advanced level than in the US.
 
There is a large population and little to employ them (yet).  There are vast natural resources.  the entrepreneurial potential of the Merchants can be see (albeit in a negative way) by the efforts of Nigerian scammers.
 
The PRC is there in a big way. 
 
When you are in the boonies in Ethiopia, you see PRC companies employing Africans to build roads.  Is it exploitation?  Maybe.  In Asia, the same kind of thing put the PRC & Japan & the "Dragons" at the center of world industrial production in 50 years. 
 
There are vast problems . . . but there is also vast potential.  I suspect it will be realized and I suspect that France (and the US) will be the ones left behind.
 
A century from now, if the PRC's New Silk Road/One Belt-One Road idea works, I think the main beneficiary will be Africa.     
John Minehan Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:12pm
"Saint George, the doors are open to foreign investments but who wants to invest in an unstable economy?"
 
So far, the PRC . . . . 
John Minehan Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:16pm
"That idiot is too stupid or too young to see that ALL presidents of francophone Africa from Senghor to Eyadema to Nguesso to Compaore to Biya are and were French bought puppet regimes."
 
The French are still there in a substantial way. 
 
I remember seeing French junior soldiers (boule à zéro and being pushed around a bit, so I assume recruits) being sent further south in Dijbouti years ago. 
John Minehan Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:24pm
"And I have and am living with the people not in a white luxury slum. I don't have more money than the people I work with."
 
Which seems in my limited experience, the only thing that really works there.
Glenn Verasco Added Jul 17, 2017 - 2:35am
I still can't get over the fact that people thought Macron was a left-winger and Le Pen a right-winger. Since when did immigration policy become the litmus test?
 
Macron is a business-friendly moderate who is capable of criticizing faulty cultures without hating people who look different. He's a common sense guy.
 
Le Pen is a National Socialist. She's an honest version of Bernie Sanders.
John G Added Jul 17, 2017 - 2:48am
The Chinese are making capital investments with relatively fair terms. Unlike the IMF/World Bank forced export exploitation model.
So we now have AFRICOM to enforce the US imperial will.
AMERIKKKA FUCK YEAH!!!!!
Saint George Added Jul 17, 2017 - 2:54pm
The Chinese are making capital investments with relatively fair terms.
 
The Chinese have done impressively stupid things like building "Mega Cities" that nobody wants to live in. Those are not "investments" but represent pure "consumption". It's no different in principle from building a million franchise restaurants that prepares food nobody wants to buy or eat. Pure consumption waste.
John Minehan Added Jul 17, 2017 - 3:48pm
"The Chinese have done impressively stupid things like building "Mega Cities" that nobody wants to live in."
 
I think John G is talking specifically of Africa.  The PRC seems to have a longer time horizon than Western Companies, which makes it easier to invest in Africa, where everything is longer term due to the underdevelopment.
 
I have always wondered if those cities were pure pump-priming or if they also represent stockpiled resources that they thought might become unavailable. 
 
 
John Minehan Added Jul 17, 2017 - 3:51pm
"So we now have AFRICOM to enforce the US imperial will.
AMERIKKKA FUCK YEAH!!!!!"
 
Given the new PRC base in Djibouti and the PRC's greater economic presence in Africa, I'm not sure AFRICOM, which is still in Europe will do much at all.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:16pm
John Minehan,
"The PRC seems to have a longer time horizon than Western Companies"
Correct, Chinese and other eastern businesses and governments appear to think generations ahead, western businesses don't think beyond next year's profit and loss account, governments don't think beyond the next election cycle.
John Minehan Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:39pm
The longer time horizon did not benefit Japan, but it does seem tobe the key to Africa.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 17, 2017 - 6:11pm
Ian
 
Exactly. I've been Swiss businesses for the last 20 years to invest in Africa, but they don't listen. No risk, no gain - and after - complain.....
Saint George Added Jul 17, 2017 - 7:20pm
Chinese and other eastern businesses and governments appear to think generations ahead
 
They think one bribe ahead.
 
"Chinese companies in Africa are also able to offer the bribes that are usually crucial to securing large contracts in the region. By contrast, American companies are prohibited from engaging in these practices by the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act."
 
Bingo.
MJ Added Jul 17, 2017 - 11:39pm
Saint George, do you really think American companies adhere to the FCPA?    Dream on.
John G Added Jul 18, 2017 - 3:45am
Corey is just a racist bigot with a zionist fascist ideology.
Pay him no mind.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 18, 2017 - 8:11am
Saint George,
British companies and businessmen have also faced prosecution for paying the bribes demanded in order to obtain orders / contracts, not just in Africa but throughout the third world.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 18, 2017 - 8:15am
MJ, I don't think he was saying US companies adhere to federal or international law when doing business in the third world, just that if caught they face financial penalties. In my experience allowances are made for that in the contingencies budget.
John G Added Jul 22, 2017 - 1:46am
China executes people for corruption. America gives them cabinet positions, ambassadorships and massive bonuses.
How many bankers went to gaol over the GFC?
John Minehan Added Jul 22, 2017 - 5:59am
"China executes people for corruption. America gives them cabinet positions, ambassadorships and massive bonuses.
How many bankers went to gaol over the GFC?"
 
"And go he should, if he was the Devil himself, until he broke the law! . . . .  Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!"  Robert Bolt, A Man For All Seasons
 
The question is not  "How many bankers went to gaol over the GFC."  It is should any of them have gone based on the laws existing at the time. 
 
That is the difference between a republic, "a government of laws and not of men" and something else.
 
"Margaret More: Father, that man's bad.
Sir Thomas More: There's no law against that.
William Roper: There is: God's law.
Sir Thomas More: Then God can arrest him."  Id.
 
John G Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:58am
The question is not  "How many bankers went to gaol over the GFC."  It is should any of them have gone based on the laws existing at the time. 
Thousands. Control fraud is illegal.
You have a government of men who flout the laws of the land.

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