I Don't Think I'll Ever Understand it....and I'm Glad I Don't.

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I decided to continue my break from history to write about some of the things I've seen on recent articles here at WriterBeat.


I wanted to share with you that I don't understand racial or religious hatred.  I'm glad I don't.


My father traveled to many different countries because of his job.  He traveled to Syria and Yemen, Europe and South America.  Along the way he figured out the Great Universal Truth.  This is it:

Being an asshole cuts across racial and religious barriers. But so does being a good person.


My father encouraged me to read and along the way I developed a passion for science and history (well, and geekier stuff like Lord of the Rings but that's a story for another time).  I learned about the heights of humanity and the wonders of creation.....I also learned about the depths of depravity and the horrors of unchecked science.  I also learned tolerance, to me that was the greatest gift my father ever taught me.


Consequently I don't understand those that hate or fear those that are different from them.  I honestly don't care about the color of a person's skin, how someone worships or who they like to screw.  To me it's largely irrelevant, what matters is how they act and how they treat people.


It brings me to what I call the "phobias."  It's an all around fear or hatred of a group of people based upon their religion.  It's largely driven by irrational fears based upon stereotypes and conspiracy theories that have small kernels of truth buried in them.  A great one is Islamophobia.


Muslims are terrorists!!!!!!  Well, some of them are.  Most of them are not.  Yeah, I know, the ones that are terrorists are vocal, scary and take innocent lives but those are the exception, not the rule.  There are a lot of Muslims, if all of them were terrorists we would be well and truly screwed. You can link this with the fear of refugees but, oddly, terrorist incidents among refugees is rare.  Most of the terrorist incidents spring from home grown, naturalized citizens or natives.  Yes, I know about the incidents of sexual assault and rape that have occurred.  Those are crimes that need to be punished, not attributed to the refugee population as a whole.  Those crimes are hardly exclusive to refugees.


Naturally, since, you know, I'm a Zionist Troll, I have to talk about Judeophobia.  I'm not going to call it antisemitism, after all, to paraphrase something Stone-Eater said, that doesn't necessarily deal with Jews.  What I see is a need to demonize Jews, to attribute almost mystical powers to them.  Jews are pictured as an amorphous mass with a hive mind, spinning webs and controlling governments.  The Rothschilds own everything, the Mossad sees everything and Israel is the root of all evil.  Depending on your feelings about Adolf Hitler you also believe they caused the war and faked the Holocaust.  The Mossad apparently helped the CIA fake 9-11.


It's all nonsense, rooted in centuries of Judeophobia.  Is Israel a trouble spot in the Middle East?  Yes.  Do I agree with Israeli policies?  Not all of them, no.  Do I understand some of them?  Yes, based on Israeli obsession with their defense....based on two thousand years of oppression culminating in an attempted genocide during WW II.  Does it make it right?  No and I'd like to see U.S. aid linked to Israeli compliance with international law.  Do I have the power to make that happen?  No.



Now, I know a lot of you Islamophobes and Judeophobes can misquote the Quran and Torah to your heart's content.  I can do the same with the Bible.  It doesn't make it right.



Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:24am
Thanks for proving my point, Tom.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:13am
Question, how do actual quotes from the Talmud "prove your point"? And BTW those ARE actual Talmud quotes. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:53am
Actually I have a long time Jewish friend who first exposed me to those quotes John. They are quite accurate. My Jewish friend (Lara is her name) is extremely anti Zionist and extremely opposed to the Talmud, which, incidentally, is not any more an official part of the Jewish faith than the Kaballa. It is a book of Jewish racial supremacy and bigotry, a stain on the Jewish people as Nazism is upon Caucasians. 
Saint George Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:03am
The gentiles are not humans, they are beasts" - Baba Mezia 114b 
"They are beasts"? Where does it say that in Baba Mezia 114b? I have an online version of the Babylonian Talmud onscreen right now and the phrase, "they are beasts", doesn't exist. 
It appears you're misrepresenting the translation.
The text uses the word "Adam" to mean "man" (the Hebrew word also has the connotation of "earth" and "red"). For all you know, the statement that gentiles are "not Adam" could mean that they are above human rather than below them. Taken on it's own, "Not Adam" could go either way.
It was fun, however, for everyone here to see how enthusiastically you embraced and promoted the misrepresentation of the English translation in order to put the worst possible bias on it. I guess you're just a common Jew-hater. Good for you.
And to be a Jew-hater — common or uncommon — doesn't make you a careful reader or meticulous researcher. That's why you'll convince no one by your arguments except those who already agree with you for irrational reasons of their own; in other words, other Jew-haters.
Saint George Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:06am

I'm not all that into faith.

Sure you are. You're faith is called "Modern Monetary Theory." That its name is secular and pseudo-scientific sounding in no way changes its supernatural aspect.
Saint George Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:33am
The gentiles are not humans, they are beasts" - Baba Mezia 114b 
Your misquotation notwithstanding, in other places in the Talmud, the terms "HaAdam" (the man") and "bnei Adam" (sons of man) are applied indifferently to Jews and gentiles alike. "Adam" (man") in Baba Mezia 114b thus has the connotation of "organic community of people" (that is, the community of Jews, or the "Jewish nation" as a whole) and not to the idea of Homo Sapiens, or man as a biological species.
Talmud Gittin 47a:
A gentile has the ability to purchase land in Israel in order to dig holes and caves as it says (Psalms 115:16) "As for the heavens, the heavens are the Lord's; but the earth He has given to mankind (Bnei Adam=sons of Adam)."
The meaning of that passage is clear: The heavens belong to God, but the earth belongs to everyone, Jews and gentiles.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 15, 2017 - 7:12am
Too bad your article takes the wrong turn. Started good, at a general level, but then gets explicit. Politics get into it, and that's an invitation for people to turn away from your intended message about tolerance to the usual black/white schemes.
I didn't have a father who taught me anything. But my 3-year world trip at 19 probably replaced that ;-)
Billy Roper Added Jul 15, 2017 - 10:38am
Fun fact: If you can detect it with a DNA test, it isn't a religion.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:26pm
@Jenifer Frost
"Question, how do actual quotes from the Talmud "prove your point"?
It proves my point in that Tom is choosing specific points to prove his point, cherry picking quotes of questionable provenance.  As Saint George pointed out.
"And BTW those ARE actual Talmud quotes. "
Yeah.  Sure.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:29pm
@Jenifer Frost:
"Actually I have a long time Jewish friend who first exposed me to those quotes John. They are quite accurate."
"My Jewish friend (Lara is her name)"
is extremely anti Zionist and extremely opposed to the Talmud, which, incidentally, is not any more an official part of the Jewish faith than the Kaballa."
Good for her.  So, basically, she also made sure to pick those quotes out for you.  How enlightening.
"It is a book of Jewish racial supremacy and bigotry, a stain on the Jewish people as Nazism is upon Caucasians."
Careful, you'll upset Tom
Stone-Eater Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:44pm
To self-proclaim as "God's chosen people" you kind of have to be a race.
A semitic tribe, in fact. As are Arabic tribes all over the region.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:46pm
Tom, quoting any of the old books can go either way.  In the old Testament we are told to kill those who are not Christians, kill those that work on the Sabbath, etc.  Its how things were written back then.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 15, 2017 - 1:02pm
Tell that to the Jewish disco kid in Tel Aviv and it will laugh its ass off LOL
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:12pm

"Too bad your article takes the wrong turn."
It went exactly the way I wanted it.
"Started good, at a general level, but then gets explicit."
That's the point.
"Politics get into it, and that's an invitation for people to turn away from your intended message about tolerance to the usual black/white schemes."
Again, I said exactly what I wanted.  In a way this was a reply to you.  You said something to the effect that you weren't antisemitic but the implication is that you are anti-Jew.  That bothers me, Stone-Eater.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:16pm
@Tom Purcell:
"S. George,

Your attempt at softening and justifying Talmudists and Jewish supremacy is futile. I provided an entire link of perfectly accurate translations from the Talmud,"
LOL, sure, because they say exactly what you want them to.
"and despite your comments, the information I provide is tangible, accurate and with exception to your accusation of deliberate mistranslation, known to educated people who've looked into these matters."
Some semi-educated Judeophobes looked some stuff up and translated them to mean whatever they want.

"Did I say that every Jew is a Talmudist? No, and of course not. Not every Christian is a Catholic. Despite my Christian identity and faith, I believe that the Talmud is less convoluted than the many translations of the Holy Bible."
How old is the Talmud, Tom?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:17pm
@Billy Roper:
"Fun fact: If you can detect it with a DNA test, it isn't a religion."
Fun fact, certain groups of French Canadians and Cajuns also have high incidents of Tay-Sachs.  Does this make them Jews?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:22pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Yup. Couples expecting a child that visit a geneticist face this question in the first moments of the meeting; "Do you have any Jewish ancestry?". Why? Because of genetic diseases, namely Tay Sachs, that are exclusive to Jewish genes. To self-proclaim as "God's chosen people" you kind of have to be a race."
I'll repeat this to you:
Certain French Canadians and Cajuns also experience high incidents of Tay-Sachs.  Does this make them Jewish?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:47pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Well, that's fair to some extent, Bill, but Christians don't make the claims of superiority or practice the mercilessness that Jewry does, and it's not Jewish children who disappear. I'm not saying Jews are a bunch of kidnappers because I don't really know, but the sacrifice of Christian children is part of the dark Jewish history"
Wow, let's all party like it's the Dark Ages.  Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?
"unlike the history of Christians,"
Yes, because the history of Christianity is filled with examples of tolerance, beauty and light.
"although there are bad eggs of all faiths. Israel, for example, treats Palestinians like dogs and that's because it's in their religious faiths to do so."
No, that's an unfortunate symptom of being human.
"Satanism and Judaism are too often linked, and some Jews can be quoted as admitting to the worship of Satan as the Jewish God."
I'm really sorry I can't do emojis because I wanted to do a shock and then an LOL.

"Now, I could learn a lot more about all religions but what I say is true. If you need me to provide a quote I can do that. :)"
No, sorry.  Frankly pulling from biblebelievers or jewwatch is not a way to take you seriously, Tom.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:49pm
@Dannl Yoder:
"I can say the same for Jeff Kelley. He is a die hard and once converted he would be a champion!"
LOL, sorry, no can do.  I don't learn my history from Holocaust deniers, Judeophobes, YouTube or Twitter.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 15, 2017 - 4:28pm
Hate breeds more hatred, it's a vicious never-ending cycle!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:15pm
Huh.  That would be some serious news. Are you saying Muslims are beheading and massacring beautiful women for not wearing scarves?
Jeff Michka Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:16pm
Someone tried to dodge with: It is a book of Jewish racial supremacy and bigotry, a stain on the Jewish people as Nazism is upon Caucasians-Purcell is part of the stain, truly, a stain normally associated with not using sanitary measures in the bathroom or a bidet.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:19pm
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:22pm
@The Other Side:
"That said I do not consider all religions as "equal", in particular the so-called "religion of peace" 
Well, you have to give them a chance to catch up.  After all, they are about 700 years behind Christianity, they have to go through the same murderous impulses that Christianity thrived on for so long.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:32am
Do NOT QUOTE FROM THE TALMUD based upon the Internet or some other specious source
But it's all right in your view for Purcell to quote from a racist YouTube video?
I see that consistency is not one of your strong points.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:46am
Purcell doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither does the YouTube video he linked to. Among other things, the video claims the word "goy" means "cattle." Wrong. The Hebrew word for cattle is "bakar." Get a Hebrew-English dictionary and check for yourself.
The word "goy", both in Hebrew and in Yiddish, literally means "nation." Sorry, anti-Semites, but that's what the word means. 
The word "goy" (גּוֹי), both in Hebrew and Yiddish, literally means "nation" (plural goyim, גּוֹיִים). It appears many times in the Hebrew bible — the Tanakh — often in the phrase "goy kadosh", or "holy nation."
When Yiddish began to appear, the originally Hebrew word took on a derisive meaning of "non-Jew" or gentile. Outside of strictly religious usage today, speakers of Hebrew and Yiddish use "goy" to mean "non-Jew" or gentile.
In any case, it doesn't mean "cattle" ("bakar"), nor has it ever meant that.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 1:13am
Your attempt at softening and justifying Talmudists and Jewish supremacy is futile. 
As in, "Resistance if futile!" You sound like a unit of the "Borg". You're about as independent-minded as a Borg unit, too. Accurately citing text is simply intellectual honesty and has nothing to do with "softening" it.
I provided an entire link of perfectly accurate translations from the Talmud,
How do you know they were "perfectly accurate" unless you check them against an actual text of the Talmud? You don't. What you mean is that you've chosen to believe the video because it's as anti-Semitic as you are.
The main problem is that the video is inaccurate and your research skills are weak.
The Soferim 15 excerpt you cited is just one case in point. You took the phrase about killing even the good gentiles as a stand-alone statement, which it isn't; it appears at the end of a long paragraph of commentary on Exodus from the Tanakh, exhorting the Jews — who had escaped Egypt and just crossed the Sea of Reeds, while those Egyptians who had survived the ten plagues because they "feared God" (in other words, they were good gentiles) were in pursuit of the Jews and posed a threat to them. So the advice was kill them too: just because they were good and God-fearing doesn't mean they don't pose as much of threat to you Jews as the others who didn't fear God and were therefore struck down by plagues.
It's war-time rules-of-engagement; not general advice on treating non-Jews.
Here's the text:
Mechilta, Beshalach 2 (on Exodus 14:7) 
[Exodus 14:5-7 "It was told to the king of Egypt that the people had fled; and the heart of Pharoah and his servants became transformed regarding the people, and they said, 'What is this that we have done that we have sent away Israel from serving us?' He harnessed his chariot and attracted his people with him.] He took six hundred elite chariots [and all the chariots of Egypt, with officers on them all."]
From whom were the animals that drove the chariots? If you say they were from Egypt, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:6) "and all the livestock of Egypt died [from the fifth plague]"? If you say they were from Pharoah, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:3) "[Moses said to Pharoah]: Behold, the hand of G-d is on your livestock that are in the field"? If you say they were from the Jews, doesn't it say (Exodus 10:26) "And our livestock, as well, will go with us- not a hoof will be left"? Rather from whom were they, from the Egyptians who feared G-d [and were not affected by the plagues]. We now see that the livestock of the G-d-fearers that escaped the plague caused great hardship for the Jews [by being used for chariots to pursue them]. From here R. Shimon [ben Yochai] said: Kill [even] the good among the gentiles."
The above paragraph puts the last sentence in context, regardless of whether or not one agrees with such wartime advice.
An online Talmud is here. You might do some independent research if you ever manage to break away from the Borg and think for yourself.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:15am
Oooohlook John G is a congenital mental deficient.
Question: did his, her, or its lack of cognitive abilities cause his, her, or its tacit anti-Semitism? Or was it the anti-Semitism he, she, or it learned from Mama G and Papa G that caused his, her, or its tacit anti-Semitism?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:42am
@Tom Purcell:
"They say to learn the Talmud, you must not only be a Jew, but you must also have a Talmud teacher that is a rabbi. I admit, I have access to neither. I'm all ears though if a rabbi will risk his yarmulke to guide me through the text. If I got caught reading the Talmud independently, say in a synagogue, I might be bled to death on a cross by the inhabitants. I'm not so gullible."
Yes, because, really, Jews are ravening ghouls hungry for Goyim flesh.
That's a joke.  It's a bad one, I admit.

"BTW, another 1000 "survivors" of the "holocaust" are claiming reparations. They just keep popping up all the time."
I'll save you the trouble of explaining this:
Specifically these are Romanian victims.  They will get about 384.00 a month.  Wow, these Holocaust victims are getting fat off reparations!!!!!!!
As one of them explained, it's more about acknowledgement than the money.  I do agree that this has gone on far enough and it is time for this to stop.  I'm hopeful that when the last of these victims die this will end.
"A thousand here, a thousand there. Germany has paid more than $80 billion in holohoax reparations. Perhaps anti-Semitism would taper if the lies would stop being repeated."
Gee, Tom, it would be a problem if they were lying but since we are talking about an actual historical event it can't be a lie, now can it?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:58am
Really?  The most sinister, deplorable lie in history?  Huh.  Well, I've asked deniers on the web this same question, where is the proof of this lie?
I even wrote about it here:
Any evidence that you'd like to add, Tom?  Better yet, would you like to join us and tell us all where we are wrong?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 11:53am
@Tom Purcell:
"I think you know where you are wrong,"
Really?  I do?
"and if you want to learn more about my perspective there's at least two dozen articles of mine here on WB that should help enlighten you."
I've read some of them.  Heavy on perspective, light on proof.
"If you're not into that, refer your skeptic friends to my material and y'all can throw darts at my words."
They don't like this format.  
"But I won't just pitch you underhanded softballs at your request to swing away at...it's a waste of time."
The thing is, Tom, you simply have nothing.  Like most deniers I meet on the net you drag your hoary, old Judeophobia out with its tales of Rothschilds and the Holocaust of 1921.
But, you really don't have anything else.  I know you love yourself some Hitler, I don't really understand that one, either.  To me it's akin to admiring Stalin or Mao.  I think I know more about "revision" than you do, which is an odd perspective to come from.
Oh, well.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:36pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Heh...I suppose for you, it's best to look at me as a helpless, frightened Judeophobe. I know one thing, there are a lot more people than I think you'd be comfortable to know of, that see things the way I do when it comes to WWII and Jewry, as evidenced by the trends on WB alone."
Well, Tom, I'm now here.  If you (and others) can't refute my arguments or give solid proof of your own, where does that leave you?
See, I'm not impressed by mythical Holocausts from 1906 or the mystical 4 million at Auschwitz.  See, I KNOW.  There is a difference.  I'm not impressed by YouTube deniers and their silly videos.  Trust me, when I don't know I can find out.
BTW, where am I wrong?  You still haven't answered.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 1:15pm
@Tom Purcell:
"You can repeat that stuff however many times you want..."can't refute my arguments, solid proof of your own" - these comments represent self aggrandizing posture and they indicate an inflated ego, insecurity and need to be "right" that is common in harpies like yourself."
What is common amongst deniers is an inability to provide any evidence of your own.
BTW, you said above:
"I think you know where you are wrong."
Where am I wrong?  
"What have you proved?"
I've proved that denier claims regarding Auschwitz and the "4 million" are baseless, as is the assertion that "Judea" declared war on Germany.  I've proved that the Nazis had a genocidal bent in the murder of GERMAN disabled under a document signed by Hitler himself.  I'm not done with that, BTW.  I'm just taking a bit of a break.  I also intend on debunking the whole "look at all the previous Holocausts!!!! BS that deniers like to bandy about.  
"How have you proved anything, or that someone else is wrong?"
See the above.  It's more than you've done, I'm still waiting for something else besides the starry-eyed bromance you have with Hitler in particular and the SS in general.
"Your vision did not come to fruition- the one where I suddenly say, "gee whiz Jewey Kelly, thanks for showing me the path to Jewish realities".
Oh, I don't expect anything from you, not really.  Nothing I'm going to say is going to change your mind.  What I do want to see from is something, anything, to show me where your beliefs have some sort of foundation.
"But you should have expected the disappointing doldrums you find yourself wallowing in now."
Me?  I'm a happy fellow.  I'm not as happy because I had to go into go into work on a Sunday.  That sucks but oh well.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 2:14pm
@Tom Purcell:
"The foundation is available, but I can't force you to see it or agree. I can't force you to think critically, or to read the work of others if you don't like mine."
I've read the work of others.  Do you think I haven't researched denial?
"I'm not going to answer to all of your micro questions about the "holocaust" because that's a distraction from the greater scope of WWII."
I think it's because you don't have answers.
"The war in Europe, especially the eastern front, is too convoluted to use the words "always" and "never" and good luck proving there was a planned genocide that took place."
Tom, the Nazi regime imprisoned Polish Jews in ghettos under horrible conditions that led to starvation and disease, shot over a million Jews on the Eastern Front, built extermination camps and fed Jews into them.  Seems really planned to me.
"Luck is what you'll need, along with Hollywood's and mainstream media's mastery in shaping public opinion."
I don't care about Hollywood or mainstream media.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:22pm
Dannl, none of this had anything to do with God.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:44pm
LOL, no, I can't.  
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:01pm
You don't like Tom Purcell's choice of YouTube?
Except for pointing out inaccuracies in the video (such as its claim that "goy" means "cattle", which it does not) I didn't express an opinion one way or the other. It was you who advised us not to use online sources regarding the Talmud yet you said nothing when Purcell did just that.
Obviously, you're inconsistent. That's OK. It just means you're a hypocrite. And that's OK, too. Most anti-Semites are.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:23pm
I do prefer Tom Purcell's work over yours.
No apology for your hypocrisy is necessary. Ignorant anti-Semites should always stick together and pat one another on the back for a "job well done." It's a fine tradition among the incognoscenti.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:33pm
We're so primitive and uncultured... I see.
That's apparent to everyone here, though I prefer simply to call you "stupid."
It's shorter and saves time.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:38pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Ahh, now there's a Talmudist letting the words flow from a black heart. Let it out, Jewstein, let the Semitic condescend flow. Why hold back? "the incognoscenti". We goyim, we gentile cattle - us? We're so primitive and uncultured... I see."
And Tom defaults to the antisemite mode.
Tom, I see you've stopped following me again.  That hurts, Tom.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:50pm
You mean, respectful, like you?  What did I see about black hearts?
You'll note, Tom, I let all comments on my articles stand.  Well, I did delete some on an earlier article but that's because the commenter went off the deep end.  I trust you'll extend me the same courtesy.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:05pm
I follow talented writers that commit to producing thought provoking work
You wouldn't recognize talent if it poked you in the eye. You follow other anti-Semitic writers with whom you agree.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:15pm
This is good therapy for you, boy George. 
Thanks, Ernst Rohm's Boy-Toy.
Keep it up with the one liners. 
I'll do what I can.
You must be relieved to be able find someone to call a Nazi, and focus your hatred exclusively.
Not hatred. Just amused contempt with an admixture of pity.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:55pm
 I enjoy that.
Glad to hear it. That might be some healthy self-contempt on your part . . . or some maudlin self-pity.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:10pm
Go easy on Tom, George.  He just found out that Jews are as white as he is.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:13pm
If you're trying to rationalize your own intellectual lethargy and anti-Semitism as coming from sleep deprivation, I don't buy it.
It comes from common, garden-variety stupidity.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:24pm
 I'm tanner than most of the soft, pasty Jews you'll see.
And stupider, too.
Tan and stupid.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:30pm
Yep. If you could actually grow a proper mustache, you might pass for a gay male porn start from the 1970s.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:36pm
Oh, I just laughed myself into an aneurysm.  Have to go to the hospital now, buh-bye.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:43pm
Oh, we're just having a little fun, Tom.  I laughed at some of your comments.
Patrick Writes Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:23pm
My opinion: The Jews are still God's chosen people and bear the favor of God. And that causes eye-brow raising success in this world. And most hatred of them is simply envy.
But...I also believe that the Jews didn't take note of the Messiah who came and abolished the covenant of Moses (not of Abraham though). And the Jews still risk dying in their sins without faith in the Messiah, the Lamb of God.

The old covenant called for sacrifices of a spotless lamb for sins. Is that still happening? If not, wouldn't that mean they are left in their sins? 
The Messiah of Jesus of Nazareth offered himself as the spotless lamb. He predicted the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple which happened approx. 40 years after his death (confirmed by history, the first gospel of Mark is historically dated to approx. a decade before the destruction of Jerusalem and has Jesus predicting its destruction). 
Why would God allow this unless the temple was no longer necessary?
I also believe Christians (true ones) also bear the favor of God in this life and God establishes the works of their hands. Most Americans were once true Christians, and the country was once great. Not so much anymore (in both senses). 
Patrick Writes Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:32pm
A word on Martin Luther, since he was mentioned in these comments. 
Luther freed Christians from much of the nonsense of Catholicism at the end of the Middle Ages (indulgences--pay some money for pre-emptive forgiveness so you can go do some nasty stuff. )The Basilica of St. Peter in Rome was built off the sale of indulgences across Germany and Europe. 
Is that what the Bible says? Pay some money to God in advance so you can do some willful sins? 

Martin Luther primarily rebelled against this single, false teaching. He never wanted to break from Rome. But what did the Pope do? Threaten him with ex-communication if he didn't recant, then ex-communicate him (which in those days was pretty much a death sentence). 
So Luther broke with Rome. It was good in my opinion. It's hard to argue that Protestant countries like Germany and England took off from that moment and predominantly Catholic countries like Italy, Spain, and France began to regress over time (France did have some Protestants for a century and a bit though). 
And the U.S. started from nothing but allowed freedom of religion which meant Protestants streamed over and it became for a few centuries 'a shining city on a hill'. I wonder if it will be again and the country turns its back on the Christian God. 
Patrick Writes Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:38pm
@Dannl - Read Romans 11, it's blatantly obvious. 
"Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. "
Romans 11:1-2 
"Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. "
Romans 11:11
"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved."
Romans 11:25-26
"As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs"
Romans 11:28
Nancy E Head Added Jul 17, 2017 - 10:54am
I consider myself a Zionist. I told a Rabbi that once and he asked me to explain myself. I said I believed in the Abrahamic covenant--that God will honor those who honor His people, the Jews. 
The Koran is pretty straightforward about killing the infidels. There is obvious disagreement in Islam as to whether that is all of us--non-Muslims--or only Muslims who convert to Christianity or another faith or no faith. Both views of Islam give reason for concern. The first is the most radical, the second just a bit less deadly.
In America, religious freedom is the law of the land. But some Muslims want sharia. The battle will not end because those who are here cannot assimilate and remain faithful to the Koran. 
Outside America, radical and less radical Muslims will want their way of life imposed on others. All Muslims? No. But enough.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 12:30pm
@Nancy Heard:
I'm sorry that you feel that way, Nancy.  
The reality is that Islam has a long history of tolerance for other religions that stretches back to the Middle Ages.  Back in the days of the early Caliphates Jews and Christians lived in relative peace in those Caliphates because Islam preaches tolerance.  They paid higher taxes but that was it.
It's only as time went by that sections of Islam became radicalized....as a result of Western nations colonizing their lands and exploiting their resources.  Some of the blame rests with Westerners, Nancy. Some of that blame extends to the creation of Israel.
Now, I will not excuse violence and I don't care if certain Muslims in this country want Sharia Law.  If that's what they want then they can move to a Muslim country.  
My original point still stands.  Most Muslims prefer to live in peace, we only focus on the loud, angry minority that causes problems.
But, I'll remind you of this.  Muslims aren't the only terrorists, Nancy.  Remember Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing?  White Christian man.  Have you ever heard of the Lord's Resistance Army?  Google them, Nancy.  It's an eye opener.  Dylan Roof ring any bells, what about the KKK?  Do you know what the Phineas Brotherhood is, Nancy?  Google them.  Actually, you can just google "Christian terrorists" and get an eyeful.  Google Christian militias and see what they are.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:28pm
What's your point?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:31pm
List is a little old:
Table 1
Top 10 white prison gangs ranked by the level of their representation in the national gang problem behind bars
1. Aryan Brotherhood
2. Aryan Nations
3. Skinheads
4. Ku Klux Klan
5. Peckerwoods
6. Aryan Circle
7. White Aryan Resistance (WAR)
8. Neo-nazis
9. Dirty White Boys
10. United Aryan Brotherhood

Table 2
Top 50 white prison gangs in the USA (unranked)
1. Aryan Brotherhood - Nationwide
2. Aryan Brotherhood of Texas
3. Aryan Circle - South
4. Aryan Family
5. Aryan Nations
6. Brothers of White Strength - Connecticut
7. Christian Identity
8. Dirty White Boys - South, Midwest
9. Irish Mob - New York
10. Hammerskins - Nationwide, International
11. Ku Klux Klan
12. NLR - Nazi Lowriders - California, West, South
13. Neo-nazis
14. Northsiders - Illinois, Midwest
15. Outlaw Mafia
16. Oklahoma Aryan Brotherhood - Oklahoma
17. Pagans MC - Northeast
18. Peckerwoods - West, South
19. Simon City Royals - Midwest, South
20. Skinheads - Nationwide, International
21. Southern Brotherhood - Alabama
22. United Aryan Brotherhood
23. White Aryan Resistance (WAR)
24. World Church of the Creator
25. White Pride
26. Aryan Knights - Idaho
27. Aryan Warriors - Nevada
28. Blood and Honour
29. Caucasian Cartel - Ohio
30. Cincinnati Caucasian Cartel - Ohio
31. DOTAR (Defenders of the Aryan Race)
32. European Kindred - Oregon, West
33. Freight Train Riders Association (FTRA)
34. Hell’s Angels MC - Nationwide, International
35. Insane Gangster Disciples - Midwest, South
36. Iron Eagle Skinheads
37. National Alliance
38. Posse Comitatus
39. Saxon Knights - Indiana, Midwest
40. SAW - Silent Aryan Warriors - Utah, West
41. SAC - Soldiers of Aryan Culture - Utah, West
42. Sons of Silence MC - Midwest, South, Germany
43. Texas Mafia
44. White Pride World Wide
45. National Socialist Movement
46. White Knights
47. United Brotherhood Kindred - Michigan
48. Universal Aryan Brotherhood
49. Stone Mercenaries
50. Fourth Reich - Utah
* Dead Man Inc - Northeast, South
* PENI - Public Enemy Number One - California, West
* Krieger Verwandt - Utah
* Brotherhood of Aryan Alliance
* Chicago Gaylords - Illinois, Midwest
* 211 Crew - Colorado
* Wood Pile Gang - Colorado
* Hard Ass Crackers - Alabama
One of the open-ended questions on the survey asked “what are the largest white racist “religious” front groups that are proselytizing to the inmates in your facility?”
Top 10 white racist “religious” front groups in American prisons today (ranked by frequency cited nationally)
1. World Church of the Creator (Creativity Movement)
2. Aryan Brotherhood (not a religion)
3. Aryan Nations †
4. Ku Klux Klan †
5. Asatru (Norse paganism)
6. Odinism (Germanic paganism)
7. Christian Identity †
8. Skinheads (not a religion)
9. Church of Jesus Christ Christian †
10. Wotansvolk Wotanism (David Lane's brand of Odinism)
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:44pm
I wasn't talking about gangs, I was talking about terrorists.  It's not the same thing.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 10:02pm
Dannl, my point to Nancy is that it's a mistake to think that only Muslims are terrorists.
wsucram15 Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:58pm
Jeffrey..Im going to say this, anyone who feels cultural bias in any form, feels "better than" in some fashion.  Which is wrong. People were created equally, no matter what you believe in. Some are better at some things than others but they make up for it in different areas, equaling the balance of things.
Hopefully.  But many dont see it that way and that is their shortcoming. I dont judge them for that, I know how they treat others will come back to them in some way. 
Not sure about this but;    hatak oh...  It means; "man, it is one."
mark henry smith Added Jul 18, 2017 - 2:19pm
Wow, now that was a lot to take in, but as the pokee said to the poker after the act was over, it's always mind over matter, no matter how little the mind.
So God chose the Jews to be his people. Then God chose Jesus to be his son, and the chosen people killed the person chosen to be their savior. Isn't that the end of it? No longer chosen. Broke the deal. Future of dust and the gnashing of teeth.
Is there one God? If there is only one God then what the hell are we all fighting about? Who gets the better birthday cards? The problem of the Jews has nothing to do with their religion. It has to do with their behavior. That they're bad neighbors, which has been proven time and time again throughout history. We let the Jews in at our peril, because they have no respect for the countries where they operate, just want to use the country as a means to an end.
Expat said it best, Here's our ally who has some massive accumulation of nuclear weapons, isn't willing to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, but will criticize Iran that is for doing what it is legally allowed to do under the law, laws that it won't accept.
That's the ultimate hypocrisy, from my viewpoint. And that's the problem with Jewish people, lying to get an advantage is part of the culture. Stealing is okay. There is no moral code that asks Jews to play fair, no love thy neighbor as thyself, no turn the other cheek, no let he who is without sin cast the first stone. The Jewish religion doesn't require the adherent to constantly ask what wrongs have been done in the name of greed to the affront of God, and to make amends. It only asks them to atone, and only to their own.
But all religion is a mess of contradictions meant to confuse and guilt the guileless into beating themselves into submission to make them easier to control. And I admire the Jewish people for recognizing this reality and not being cowed by it. For I too am an Israeli, arguer with God, or contender with God.
Let's not argue religion anymore. Let's argue how we come together in the world to address the great issue of our time, the death of much of our world.        

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