I Don't Think I'll Ever Understand it....and I'm Glad I Don't.

I decided to continue my break from history to write about some of the things I've seen on recent articles here at WriterBeat.

 

I wanted to share with you that I don't understand racial or religious hatred.  I'm glad I don't.

 

My father traveled to many different countries because of his job.  He traveled to Syria and Yemen, Europe and South America.  Along the way he figured out the Great Universal Truth.  This is it:

Being an asshole cuts across racial and religious barriers. But so does being a good person.

 

My father encouraged me to read and along the way I developed a passion for science and history (well, and geekier stuff like Lord of the Rings but that's a story for another time).  I learned about the heights of humanity and the wonders of creation.....I also learned about the depths of depravity and the horrors of unchecked science.  I also learned tolerance, to me that was the greatest gift my father ever taught me.

 

Consequently I don't understand those that hate or fear those that are different from them.  I honestly don't care about the color of a person's skin, how someone worships or who they like to screw.  To me it's largely irrelevant, what matters is how they act and how they treat people.

 

It brings me to what I call the "phobias."  It's an all around fear or hatred of a group of people based upon their religion.  It's largely driven by irrational fears based upon stereotypes and conspiracy theories that have small kernels of truth buried in them.  A great one is Islamophobia.

 

Muslims are terrorists!!!!!!  Well, some of them are.  Most of them are not.  Yeah, I know, the ones that are terrorists are vocal, scary and take innocent lives but those are the exception, not the rule.  There are a lot of Muslims, if all of them were terrorists we would be well and truly screwed. You can link this with the fear of refugees but, oddly, terrorist incidents among refugees is rare.  Most of the terrorist incidents spring from home grown, naturalized citizens or natives.  Yes, I know about the incidents of sexual assault and rape that have occurred.  Those are crimes that need to be punished, not attributed to the refugee population as a whole.  Those crimes are hardly exclusive to refugees.

 

Naturally, since, you know, I'm a Zionist Troll, I have to talk about Judeophobia.  I'm not going to call it antisemitism, after all, to paraphrase something Stone-Eater said, that doesn't necessarily deal with Jews.  What I see is a need to demonize Jews, to attribute almost mystical powers to them.  Jews are pictured as an amorphous mass with a hive mind, spinning webs and controlling governments.  The Rothschilds own everything, the Mossad sees everything and Israel is the root of all evil.  Depending on your feelings about Adolf Hitler you also believe they caused the war and faked the Holocaust.  The Mossad apparently helped the CIA fake 9-11.

 

It's all nonsense, rooted in centuries of Judeophobia.  Is Israel a trouble spot in the Middle East?  Yes.  Do I agree with Israeli policies?  Not all of them, no.  Do I understand some of them?  Yes, based on Israeli obsession with their defense....based on two thousand years of oppression culminating in an attempted genocide during WW II.  Does it make it right?  No and I'd like to see U.S. aid linked to Israeli compliance with international law.  Do I have the power to make that happen?  No.

 

 

Now, I know a lot of you Islamophobes and Judeophobes can misquote the Quran and Torah to your heart's content.  I can do the same with the Bible.  It doesn't make it right.

 

Comments

Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:34pm
You don't have to misquote the Talmud.  There is fundamental, sacred Jewish supremacism.  It was written long, long ago, the Talmud.  It's worshipped and practiced to this day.
 
Rather than write out a list of Talmud quotes, here's a condensed translation of a few doozies:  Quotes From the Talmud
 
One of my favorites; "The gentiles are not humans, they are beasts" - Baba Mezia 114b 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:35pm
"Even the best of the goyim should all be killed" -Soferim15
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 14, 2017 - 11:39pm
"Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice".  -Zohar, Shemoth
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:24am
Thanks for proving my point, Tom.
John G Added Jul 15, 2017 - 2:12am
Islamophobes are the equivalent of antisemites as you well know.
It's about racism. Not religion.
Jenifer Frost Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:13am
Question, how do actual quotes from the Talmud "prove your point"? And BTW those ARE actual Talmud quotes. 
John G Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:39am
I suspect they're as reliable as the "quotes" from the Q'ran that Jeffrey provides from MEMRI.
Jeffrey and Tom Purcell are sides of a mirror.
Jenifer Frost Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:53am
Actually I have a long time Jewish friend who first exposed me to those quotes John. They are quite accurate. My Jewish friend (Lara is her name) is extremely anti Zionist and extremely opposed to the Talmud, which, incidentally, is not any more an official part of the Jewish faith than the Kaballa. It is a book of Jewish racial supremacy and bigotry, a stain on the Jewish people as Nazism is upon Caucasians. 
John G Added Jul 15, 2017 - 4:16am
I'm not all that into faith.
Saint George Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:03am
The gentiles are not humans, they are beasts" - Baba Mezia 114b 
 
"They are beasts"? Where does it say that in Baba Mezia 114b? I have an online version of the Babylonian Talmud onscreen right now and the phrase, "they are beasts", doesn't exist. 
 
It appears you're misrepresenting the translation.
 
The text uses the word "Adam" to mean "man" (the Hebrew word also has the connotation of "earth" and "red"). For all you know, the statement that gentiles are "not Adam" could mean that they are above human rather than below them. Taken on it's own, "Not Adam" could go either way.
 
It was fun, however, for everyone here to see how enthusiastically you embraced and promoted the misrepresentation of the English translation in order to put the worst possible bias on it. I guess you're just a common Jew-hater. Good for you.
 
And to be a Jew-hater — common or uncommon — doesn't make you a careful reader or meticulous researcher. That's why you'll convince no one by your arguments except those who already agree with you for irrational reasons of their own; in other words, other Jew-haters.
Saint George Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:06am


I'm not all that into faith.


 
Sure you are. You're faith is called "Modern Monetary Theory." That its name is secular and pseudo-scientific sounding in no way changes its supernatural aspect.
Saint George Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:33am
The gentiles are not humans, they are beasts" - Baba Mezia 114b 
 
Your misquotation notwithstanding, in other places in the Talmud, the terms "HaAdam" (the man") and "bnei Adam" (sons of man) are applied indifferently to Jews and gentiles alike. "Adam" (man") in Baba Mezia 114b thus has the connotation of "organic community of people" (that is, the community of Jews, or the "Jewish nation" as a whole) and not to the idea of Homo Sapiens, or man as a biological species.
 
Talmud Gittin 47a:
A gentile has the ability to purchase land in Israel in order to dig holes and caves as it says (Psalms 115:16) "As for the heavens, the heavens are the Lord's; but the earth He has given to mankind (Bnei Adam=sons of Adam)."
 
The meaning of that passage is clear: The heavens belong to God, but the earth belongs to everyone, Jews and gentiles.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 15, 2017 - 7:12am
Jeffrey
 
Too bad your article takes the wrong turn. Started good, at a general level, but then gets explicit. Politics get into it, and that's an invitation for people to turn away from your intended message about tolerance to the usual black/white schemes.
 
I didn't have a father who taught me anything. But my 3-year world trip at 19 probably replaced that ;-)
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 9:27am
@Jeffrey. It was the best of times: it was the worst of times. As for the Talmud, it is a specious teaching which is thinly wrapped in the tegamen of Rabbinic discussion over the years. It is clearly racist and derogatory to all "gentiles" who are animals in the form of ADAM ( ISHI or MAN). It is taught from this source( Talmud) that it is not proper for A Jew, ADAM, to be served by an animal and thus God ( Yave) made Caucasians to serve just being the same as a monkey ( Negro as the Rabbis understood) however all Gentiles are Goyem ( Cattle)
Yet the Talmud forbids eating with the goyim, as it is the same as eating with a dog. Often the Talmud ranks gentiles with dogs. More in next comment
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 9:36am
Next comment.
The study of the Talmud is much more convoluted than the scriptures.
Saint George ( comments above) is warned. Do NOT QUOTE FROM THE TALMUD based upon the Internet or some other specious source.
Even Jews must study beneath a Rabbi as it was thought to break away from Teachers and follow the heretic MARTIN LUTHER, there are now over 2300 "churches" with insanity as its catapult.
I caution anyone, Scrunge of scholar to stay away from heresy. Unguided scholarship is dangerous. More in next comment
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 15, 2017 - 10:27am
S. George,
 
Your attempt at softening and justifying Talmudists and Jewish supremacy is futile.  I provided an entire link of perfectly accurate translations from the Talmud, and despite your comments, the information I provide is tangible, accurate and with exception to your accusation of deliberate mistranslation, known to educated people who've looked into these matters. 
 
Did I say that every Jew is a Talmudist?  No, and of course not.   Not every Christian is a Catholic.  Despite my Christian identity and faith, I believe that the Talmud is less convoluted than the many translations of the Holy Bible.
Billy Roper Added Jul 15, 2017 - 10:38am
Fun fact: If you can detect it with a DNA test, it isn't a religion.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 10:42am
#3 comment.
The Talmud, is, in It's entirety, a false claim. Remember the saviour told the Jews: "by your traditions of Man ( ethnos, not ADAM) you have made non effect the word of God." Mark 7:13
Want to know the other title of the Talmud?  THE TRADITIONS of MAN.
I cannot stress enough that the Gaelic saviour from Galilee exposed these Jews ( Edomites) at every turn.
The "son of Man" ( ADAM) was not a Jew. The apostle Paul was a Roman Citizen and claimed it legally. He had papers, as it were, and denounced the stories of Jews as "fables" and "endless genealogies" be said " beware the Jew, who is contrary to all men "
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 15, 2017 - 10:43am
Yup.  Couples expecting a child that visit a geneticist face this question in the first moments of the meeting;  "Do you have any Jewish ancestry?".  Why?  Because of genetic diseases, namely Tay Sachs, that are exclusive to Jewish genes.  To self-proclaim as "God's chosen people" you kind of have to be a race.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 10:48am
#4 comment. News are taught that All Goyim are souls from an unclean source. And that it is alright to kill them.
Now for your consideration:
have you ever noticed that serial killers leave their own city to murder?
The Talmud teaches that a killer should leave his own city and perform his deed elsewhere.
You will be surprised at how many serial killers were in reality practicing the Talmud.
 
Please do not bore me with.. "But..but..what about.. And how can......"
Just consider the information. I know there are exceptions:)
 
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 15, 2017 - 10:52am
Dannl,
 
Those are excellent points and interesting details.  Thanks for that contribution :)
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 11:08am
The Rabbis understand Gitin 47a the permission for a gentle to dig holes and caves in the earth ( which belongs to God and given to Jews) as also permission to dig into the Talmud.
Whike it expresly gives Jews permission to kill the Goy found reading the Talmud.
Really, attentive readers, the Jews are their own best friend and their own worst enemy.
I don't recall the name, but I have the book in storage where a Jew exclaims ( after arriving in Israel, 1948)
All these centuries waiting for this moment and now the reality of facing it..words to that effect.
It was the best of times; it was the worst of times-
A tale if two cities .
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:26pm
@Jenifer Frost
"Question, how do actual quotes from the Talmud "prove your point"?
 
It proves my point in that Tom is choosing specific points to prove his point, cherry picking quotes of questionable provenance.  As Saint George pointed out.
 
"And BTW those ARE actual Talmud quotes. "
 
Yeah.  Sure.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:29pm
@Jenifer Frost:
"Actually I have a long time Jewish friend who first exposed me to those quotes John. They are quite accurate."
 
Sure.
 
"My Jewish friend (Lara is her name)"
is extremely anti Zionist and extremely opposed to the Talmud, which, incidentally, is not any more an official part of the Jewish faith than the Kaballa."
 
Good for her.  So, basically, she also made sure to pick those quotes out for you.  How enlightening.
 
"It is a book of Jewish racial supremacy and bigotry, a stain on the Jewish people as Nazism is upon Caucasians."
 
 
Careful, you'll upset Tom
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:44pm
To self-proclaim as "God's chosen people" you kind of have to be a race.
 
A semitic tribe, in fact. As are Arabic tribes all over the region.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:46pm
Tom, quoting any of the old books can go either way.  In the old Testament we are told to kill those who are not Christians, kill those that work on the Sabbath, etc.  Its how things were written back then.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:54pm
Well, that's fair to some extent, Bill, but Christians don't make the claims of superiority or practice the mercilessness that Jewry does, and it's not Jewish children who disappear.  I'm not saying Jews are a bunch of kidnappers because I don't really know, but the sacrifice of Christian children is part of the dark Jewish history unlike the history of Christians, although there are bad eggs of all faiths.  Israel, for example, treats Palestinians like dogs and that's because it's in their religious faiths to do so.  Satanism and Judaism are too often linked, and some Jews can be quoted as admitting to the worship of Satan as the Jewish God. 
 
Now, I could learn a lot more about all religions but what I say is true.  If you need me to provide a quote I can do that.  :)
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 15, 2017 - 12:57pm
...and not like I treat dogs, and most westerners treat man's best friend, but in Jewish tradition and faith, they are unkind to animals.  By the way, you and I, we're considered Goyim - human cattle at the disposal of the Jews, and Christians are likened to dogs in the Talmud too many times. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 15, 2017 - 1:02pm
Tom
 
Tell that to the Jewish disco kid in Tel Aviv and it will laugh its ass off LOL
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 15, 2017 - 1:05pm
You mean the blue Yahu?  (Netenyahu).  I bet it would be a maniacal laugh, echoing between one's ears.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 2:33pm
@Tom. I admire the way you handle yourself.
I can say the same for Jeff Kelley. He is a die hard and once converted he would be a champion!
Meanwhile, Jeff, I have another ad hominem for you but I can't remember just yet what it was.
The advantage to getting old is that uh, the uh,  most people will uh,  oh yeah!
Jeff, when I do remember that ad..himmy thing, I will have all the *s,"s_s,%s,&,s+s, and commas in place ! So put your seat belt on and wait for my memory to kick in. It is the mother of all ad homey things!!!
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 2:43pm
@Bill. " in the old testament we are told to kill those who are not Christians "
To clarify that without being a troll (bwa'hahaha)
The command to kill is to the inhabitants of Canaan, Hittites, Hivites, Jebusites and other unsavory tribes that practised Head hunting,(Amorites) cannibalism ( all of them) and child sacrifice ( all of them). Imagine the world today if the people of God had obeyed that! Paradise, nearly!
Okay, let's turn that around, since none of you Trolls are racist "
Let's day God meant the Germans were those inhabits. Is there a single Jew who would not say,
"D-mn it!, why didn't Saul kill everyone of them? Or Joshua already?'
I know Zionist Bob Dylan singing through his nose could do it!
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:00pm
@ stone eater. " tell that to the Jewish disco kid..."
I have no idea what you mean here. Cultural conflict here on my end.
But Christians are not allowed in Israel except in certain parts and under the escort ( coded as 'tour guide') of John Hagee, Joyce Meyers, Joel oesteen, Pat Robertson, or some other "friend of Israel "
1. It is illegal in Israel to pass out tracts.
2. The inhabitants will literally come out of the woodwork to push, shove and demand the Christian to leave.
3. The police will probably pull someone off of you, but will be pushing you in the direction that says, " leave" as they pull the attached from you.
Kids will scream at the Christian saying, " Get out of our country! Yes we killed you f$%#&#@ J-sus and proud of it!"
You can view that on YouTube, I think."
this in Why the Jews are hated" ID one title. That  one will give you many lovely 'apparitions of prejuduce.' My favorite is an American Actor, Tom Cruise, telling some Jews, " that is F#$%&@+ rscism!"
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:12pm
@Stone-Eater:
"Jeffrey

"Too bad your article takes the wrong turn."
 
It went exactly the way I wanted it.
 
"Started good, at a general level, but then gets explicit."
 
That's the point.
 
 
"Politics get into it, and that's an invitation for people to turn away from your intended message about tolerance to the usual black/white schemes."
 
Again, I said exactly what I wanted.  In a way this was a reply to you.  You said something to the effect that you weren't antisemitic but the implication is that you are anti-Jew.  That bothers me, Stone-Eater.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:16pm
@Tom Purcell:
"S. George,

Your attempt at softening and justifying Talmudists and Jewish supremacy is futile. I provided an entire link of perfectly accurate translations from the Talmud,"
 
LOL, sure, because they say exactly what you want them to.
 
"and despite your comments, the information I provide is tangible, accurate and with exception to your accusation of deliberate mistranslation, known to educated people who've looked into these matters."
 
Translation:
Some semi-educated Judeophobes looked some stuff up and translated them to mean whatever they want.
 

"Did I say that every Jew is a Talmudist? No, and of course not. Not every Christian is a Catholic. Despite my Christian identity and faith, I believe that the Talmud is less convoluted than the many translations of the Holy Bible."
 
How old is the Talmud, Tom?
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:17pm
@Billy Roper:
"Fun fact: If you can detect it with a DNA test, it isn't a religion."
 
Fun fact, certain groups of French Canadians and Cajuns also have high incidents of Tay-Sachs.  Does this make them Jews?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:22pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Yup. Couples expecting a child that visit a geneticist face this question in the first moments of the meeting; "Do you have any Jewish ancestry?". Why? Because of genetic diseases, namely Tay Sachs, that are exclusive to Jewish genes. To self-proclaim as "God's chosen people" you kind of have to be a race."
 
I'll repeat this to you:
Certain French Canadians and Cajuns also experience high incidents of Tay-Sachs.  Does this make them Jewish?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:47pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Well, that's fair to some extent, Bill, but Christians don't make the claims of superiority or practice the mercilessness that Jewry does, and it's not Jewish children who disappear. I'm not saying Jews are a bunch of kidnappers because I don't really know, but the sacrifice of Christian children is part of the dark Jewish history"
 
Wow, let's all party like it's the Dark Ages.  Seriously, where do you come up with this stuff?
 
"unlike the history of Christians,"
 
Yes, because the history of Christianity is filled with examples of tolerance, beauty and light.
 
 
"although there are bad eggs of all faiths. Israel, for example, treats Palestinians like dogs and that's because it's in their religious faiths to do so."
 
No, that's an unfortunate symptom of being human.
 
"Satanism and Judaism are too often linked, and some Jews can be quoted as admitting to the worship of Satan as the Jewish God."
 
I'm really sorry I can't do emojis because I wanted to do a shock and then an LOL.

"Now, I could learn a lot more about all religions but what I say is true. If you need me to provide a quote I can do that. :)"
 
No, sorry.  Frankly pulling from biblebelievers or jewwatch is not a way to take you seriously, Tom.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 3:49pm
@Dannl Yoder:
"I can say the same for Jeff Kelley. He is a die hard and once converted he would be a champion!"
 
LOL, sorry, no can do.  I don't learn my history from Holocaust deniers, Judeophobes, YouTube or Twitter.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 15, 2017 - 4:28pm
Hate breeds more hatred, it's a vicious never-ending cycle!
The Other Side Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:02pm
I don't have any religious hatred. I'm pretty much ecumenical in that regard. That said I do not consider all religions as "equal", in particular the so-called "religion of peace" that seems hell bent on massacring and beheading some rather beautiful women for the egregious sin of not wearing a head scarf. And we're not talking downtown Riyadh or Tehran but downtown Berlin where these middle age troglodytes have set up camp in hopes of establishing the next Caliphate.
 
And yes I read. And yes, I am educated. And yes I also have a passion for science. All the more reason not to let the barbarian hoards into our country.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:15pm
Huh.  That would be some serious news. Are you saying Muslims are beheading and massacring beautiful women for not wearing scarves?
 
 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:16pm
Someone tried to dodge with: It is a book of Jewish racial supremacy and bigotry, a stain on the Jewish people as Nazism is upon Caucasians-Purcell is part of the stain, truly, a stain normally associated with not using sanitary measures in the bathroom or a bidet.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:19pm
LOL
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 15, 2017 - 5:22pm
@The Other Side:
"That said I do not consider all religions as "equal", in particular the so-called "religion of peace" 
 
Well, you have to give them a chance to catch up.  After all, they are about 700 years behind Christianity, they have to go through the same murderous impulses that Christianity thrived on for so long.
John G Added Jul 15, 2017 - 7:20pm
Ah, so St George is Corey's new manifestation.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 15, 2017 - 11:51pm
Jeff, as a man once said, "If we live long enough, we will know it all."
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:32am
Do NOT QUOTE FROM THE TALMUD based upon the Internet or some other specious source
 
But it's all right in your view for Purcell to quote from a racist YouTube video?
 
I see that consistency is not one of your strong points.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:46am
Purcell doesn't know what he's talking about. Neither does the YouTube video he linked to. Among other things, the video claims the word "goy" means "cattle." Wrong. The Hebrew word for cattle is "bakar." Get a Hebrew-English dictionary and check for yourself.
 
The word "goy", both in Hebrew and in Yiddish, literally means "nation." Sorry, anti-Semites, but that's what the word means. 
 
The word "goy" (גּוֹי), both in Hebrew and Yiddish, literally means "nation" (plural goyim, גּוֹיִים). It appears many times in the Hebrew bible — the Tanakh — often in the phrase "goy kadosh", or "holy nation."
 
When Yiddish began to appear, the originally Hebrew word took on a derisive meaning of "non-Jew" or gentile. Outside of strictly religious usage today, speakers of Hebrew and Yiddish use "goy" to mean "non-Jew" or gentile.
 
In any case, it doesn't mean "cattle" ("bakar"), nor has it ever meant that.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 1:13am
Your attempt at softening and justifying Talmudists and Jewish supremacy is futile. 
 
As in, "Resistance if futile!" You sound like a unit of the "Borg". You're about as independent-minded as a Borg unit, too. Accurately citing text is simply intellectual honesty and has nothing to do with "softening" it.
 
I provided an entire link of perfectly accurate translations from the Talmud,
 
How do you know they were "perfectly accurate" unless you check them against an actual text of the Talmud? You don't. What you mean is that you've chosen to believe the video because it's as anti-Semitic as you are.
 
The main problem is that the video is inaccurate and your research skills are weak.
 
The Soferim 15 excerpt you cited is just one case in point. You took the phrase about killing even the good gentiles as a stand-alone statement, which it isn't; it appears at the end of a long paragraph of commentary on Exodus from the Tanakh, exhorting the Jews — who had escaped Egypt and just crossed the Sea of Reeds, while those Egyptians who had survived the ten plagues because they "feared God" (in other words, they were good gentiles) were in pursuit of the Jews and posed a threat to them. So the advice was kill them too: just because they were good and God-fearing doesn't mean they don't pose as much of threat to you Jews as the others who didn't fear God and were therefore struck down by plagues.
 
It's war-time rules-of-engagement; not general advice on treating non-Jews.
 
Here's the text:
 
Mechilta, Beshalach 2 (on Exodus 14:7) 
 
[Exodus 14:5-7 "It was told to the king of Egypt that the people had fled; and the heart of Pharoah and his servants became transformed regarding the people, and they said, 'What is this that we have done that we have sent away Israel from serving us?' He harnessed his chariot and attracted his people with him.] He took six hundred elite chariots [and all the chariots of Egypt, with officers on them all."]
 
From whom were the animals that drove the chariots? If you say they were from Egypt, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:6) "and all the livestock of Egypt died [from the fifth plague]"? If you say they were from Pharoah, doesn't it say (Exodus 9:3) "[Moses said to Pharoah]: Behold, the hand of G-d is on your livestock that are in the field"? If you say they were from the Jews, doesn't it say (Exodus 10:26) "And our livestock, as well, will go with us- not a hoof will be left"? Rather from whom were they, from the Egyptians who feared G-d [and were not affected by the plagues]. We now see that the livestock of the G-d-fearers that escaped the plague caused great hardship for the Jews [by being used for chariots to pursue them]. From here R. Shimon [ben Yochai] said: Kill [even] the good among the gentiles."
 
The above paragraph puts the last sentence in context, regardless of whether or not one agrees with such wartime advice.
 
An online Talmud is here. You might do some independent research if you ever manage to break away from the Borg and think for yourself.
John G Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:11am
OOOhlook Corey is a fundamentalist religious nutter!!!
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:15am
Oooohlook John G is a congenital mental deficient.
 
Question: did his, her, or its lack of cognitive abilities cause his, her, or its tacit anti-Semitism? Or was it the anti-Semitism he, she, or it learned from Mama G and Papa G that caused his, her, or its tacit anti-Semitism?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:09am
They say to learn the Talmud, you must not only be a Jew, but you must also have a Talmud teacher that is a rabbi.  I admit, I have access to neither.  I'm all ears though if a rabbi will risk his yarmulke to guide me through the text.  If I got caught reading the Talmud independently, say in a synagogue, I might be bled to death on a cross by the inhabitants.  I'm not so gullible. 
 
BTW, another 1000 "survivors" of the "holocaust" are claiming reparations.  They just keep popping up all the time.  A thousand here, a thousand there.  Germany has paid more than $80 billion in holohoax reparations.   Perhaps anti-Semitism would taper if the lies would stop being repeated.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:10am
I see that consistency is not one of your strong points.
Saintless George, your Yiddish is skiddish, your HEbrew is SHEbrew and you are a mockery.
You don't like Tom Purcell's choice of YouTube?
Would you have him gassed in an over, George?
What would you do if you could prevent him?
You are on in 5...4...3...2...
 
 
 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:17am
Nah, I am through with you Faint George. You nit pick and target contextual misappropriations. You are a real sloven resesrcher and to call yourself a saint? Blecccccch!
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:20am
@Tom, great going, but to reach Faint George, you will have to tie her to another plow horse to teach her to plow. And it seems someone has put fescue in the hay.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:22am
Lol!  Now that must be some Amish humor, yes?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:42am
@Tom Purcell:
"They say to learn the Talmud, you must not only be a Jew, but you must also have a Talmud teacher that is a rabbi. I admit, I have access to neither. I'm all ears though if a rabbi will risk his yarmulke to guide me through the text. If I got caught reading the Talmud independently, say in a synagogue, I might be bled to death on a cross by the inhabitants. I'm not so gullible."
 
Yes, because, really, Jews are ravening ghouls hungry for Goyim flesh.
That's a joke.  It's a bad one, I admit.

"BTW, another 1000 "survivors" of the "holocaust" are claiming reparations. They just keep popping up all the time."
 
I'll save you the trouble of explaining this:
 
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/romanian-nazi-victims-now-eligible-german-compensation-48593428
 
Specifically these are Romanian victims.  They will get about 384.00 a month.  Wow, these Holocaust victims are getting fat off reparations!!!!!!!
As one of them explained, it's more about acknowledgement than the money.  I do agree that this has gone on far enough and it is time for this to stop.  I'm hopeful that when the last of these victims die this will end.
 
"A thousand here, a thousand there. Germany has paid more than $80 billion in holohoax reparations. Perhaps anti-Semitism would taper if the lies would stop being repeated."
 
Gee, Tom, it would be a problem if they were lying but since we are talking about an actual historical event it can't be a lie, now can it?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:45am
It sure can be, Jewey Kelly, and it is a lie, the most sinister, deplorable lie in history. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:58am
Really?  The most sinister, deplorable lie in history?  Huh.  Well, I've asked deniers on the web this same question, where is the proof of this lie?
 
I even wrote about it here:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27177
 
Any evidence that you'd like to add, Tom?  Better yet, would you like to join us and tell us all where we are wrong?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 11:06am
I think you know where you are wrong, and if you want to learn more about my perspective there's at least two dozen articles of mine here on WB that should help enlighten you.  If you're not into that, refer your skeptic friends to my material and y'all can throw darts at my words.  But I won't just pitch you underhanded softballs at your request to swing away at...it's a waste of time.  Go to the batting cages and take out your frustration there.  Just wear gloves or your hands will be unhappy. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 11:53am
@Tom Purcell:
"I think you know where you are wrong,"
 
Really?  I do?
 
"and if you want to learn more about my perspective there's at least two dozen articles of mine here on WB that should help enlighten you."
 
I've read some of them.  Heavy on perspective, light on proof.
 
"If you're not into that, refer your skeptic friends to my material and y'all can throw darts at my words."
 
They don't like this format.  
 
"But I won't just pitch you underhanded softballs at your request to swing away at...it's a waste of time."
 
The thing is, Tom, you simply have nothing.  Like most deniers I meet on the net you drag your hoary, old Judeophobia out with its tales of Rothschilds and the Holocaust of 1921.
 
But, you really don't have anything else.  I know you love yourself some Hitler, I don't really understand that one, either.  To me it's akin to admiring Stalin or Mao.  I think I know more about "revision" than you do, which is an odd perspective to come from.
 
Oh, well.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:07pm
Heh...I suppose for you, it's best to look at me as a helpless, frightened Judeophobe.  I know one thing, there are a lot more people than I think you'd be comfortable to know of, that see things the way I do when it comes to WWII and Jewry, as evidenced by the trends on WB alone.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:36pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Heh...I suppose for you, it's best to look at me as a helpless, frightened Judeophobe. I know one thing, there are a lot more people than I think you'd be comfortable to know of, that see things the way I do when it comes to WWII and Jewry, as evidenced by the trends on WB alone."
 
Well, Tom, I'm now here.  If you (and others) can't refute my arguments or give solid proof of your own, where does that leave you?
 
See, I'm not impressed by mythical Holocausts from 1906 or the mystical 4 million at Auschwitz.  See, I KNOW.  There is a difference.  I'm not impressed by YouTube deniers and their silly videos.  Trust me, when I don't know I can find out.
 
BTW, where am I wrong?  You still haven't answered.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 12:43pm
You can repeat that stuff however many times you want..."can't refute my arguments, solid proof of your own" - these comments represent self aggrandizing posture and they indicate an inflated ego, insecurity and need to be "right" that is common in harpies like yourself.  What have you proved?  How have you proved anything, or that someone else is wrong?  Your vision did not come to fruition- the one where I suddenly say, "gee whiz Jewey Kelly, thanks for showing me the path to Jewish realities".  But you should have expected the disappointing doldrums you find yourself wallowing in now.    
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 1:15pm
@Tom Purcell:
"You can repeat that stuff however many times you want..."can't refute my arguments, solid proof of your own" - these comments represent self aggrandizing posture and they indicate an inflated ego, insecurity and need to be "right" that is common in harpies like yourself."
 
What is common amongst deniers is an inability to provide any evidence of your own.
BTW, you said above:
"I think you know where you are wrong."
 
Where am I wrong?  
 
 
"What have you proved?"
 
I've proved that denier claims regarding Auschwitz and the "4 million" are baseless, as is the assertion that "Judea" declared war on Germany.  I've proved that the Nazis had a genocidal bent in the murder of GERMAN disabled under a document signed by Hitler himself.  I'm not done with that, BTW.  I'm just taking a bit of a break.  I also intend on debunking the whole "look at all the previous Holocausts!!!! BS that deniers like to bandy about.  
 
"How have you proved anything, or that someone else is wrong?"
 
See the above.  It's more than you've done, I'm still waiting for something else besides the starry-eyed bromance you have with Hitler in particular and the SS in general.
 
"Your vision did not come to fruition- the one where I suddenly say, "gee whiz Jewey Kelly, thanks for showing me the path to Jewish realities".
 
Oh, I don't expect anything from you, not really.  Nothing I'm going to say is going to change your mind.  What I do want to see from is something, anything, to show me where your beliefs have some sort of foundation.
 
"But you should have expected the disappointing doldrums you find yourself wallowing in now."
 
Me?  I'm a happy fellow.  I'm not as happy because I had to go into go into work on a Sunday.  That sucks but oh well.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 1:23pm
The foundation is available, but I can't force you to see it or agree.  I can't force you to think critically, or to read the work of others if you don't like mine.  I'm not  going to answer to all of your micro questions about the "holocaust" because that's a distraction from the greater scope of WWII.  The war in Europe, especially the eastern front, is too convoluted to use the words "always" and "never" and good luck proving there was a planned genocide that took place.  Luck is what you'll need, along with Hollywood's and mainstream media's mastery in shaping public opinion.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 1:38pm
Jeff K. Your challenge is hereby accepted: prove the Holocaust did not happen.
God said: "if my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves, and  pray and seek my face and depart from their Wicked ways I will hear from heaven and heal their land ..." 2Deuteronomy 7:14. ( Torah reads the same)
Here it is: which is it that the Jews are lying about? 
Six million God Chosen Jews NOT seeking God's face and asking for help?
Or that they never put away their Wicked ways?
You see, the Hoho Caust could not have happened because we know- say it together- The Jews cried out to God, sought his face and put away their Wicked ways!
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 1:42pm
Because if the Horor scope did happen, it means the Jews did not put away their evil ways.
Sorry Rebbe Silverspoon, that is just plain and simple
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 2:14pm
@Tom Purcell:
"The foundation is available, but I can't force you to see it or agree. I can't force you to think critically, or to read the work of others if you don't like mine."
 
I've read the work of others.  Do you think I haven't researched denial?
 
"I'm not going to answer to all of your micro questions about the "holocaust" because that's a distraction from the greater scope of WWII."
 
I think it's because you don't have answers.
 
"The war in Europe, especially the eastern front, is too convoluted to use the words "always" and "never" and good luck proving there was a planned genocide that took place."
 
Tom, the Nazi regime imprisoned Polish Jews in ghettos under horrible conditions that led to starvation and disease, shot over a million Jews on the Eastern Front, built extermination camps and fed Jews into them.  Seems really planned to me.
 
"Luck is what you'll need, along with Hollywood's and mainstream media's mastery in shaping public opinion."
 
I don't care about Hollywood or mainstream media.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:22pm
Dannl, none of this had anything to do with God.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:41pm
@Jeff, oh, c'mon. You can't prove that! :)
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 3:44pm
LOL, no, I can't.  
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:01pm
You don't like Tom Purcell's choice of YouTube?
 
Except for pointing out inaccuracies in the video (such as its claim that "goy" means "cattle", which it does not) I didn't express an opinion one way or the other. It was you who advised us not to use online sources regarding the Talmud yet you said nothing when Purcell did just that.
 
Obviously, you're inconsistent. That's OK. It just means you're a hypocrite. And that's OK, too. Most anti-Semites are.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:15pm
Forgive me George, I do prefer Tom Purcell's work over yours.
I apologize if that cuts you.
I have an idea! ( snaps finger)
You quit trolling and expecting us to genuflect at your nobke appearance and I won't cut you any more.
Must hurt having the words of a Hypocrite cut you to the bone. I apologize.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:23pm
I do prefer Tom Purcell's work over yours.
 
No apology for your hypocrisy is necessary. Ignorant anti-Semites should always stick together and pat one another on the back for a "job well done." It's a fine tradition among the incognoscenti.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:27pm
Ahh, now there's a Talmudist letting the words flow from a black heart.  Let it out, Jewstein, let the Semitic condescend flow.  Why hold back?  "the incognoscenti".  We goyim, we gentile cattle - us?  We're so primitive and uncultured... I see.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:33pm
We're so primitive and uncultured... I see.
 
That's apparent to everyone here, though I prefer simply to call you "stupid."
 
It's shorter and saves time.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:38pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Ahh, now there's a Talmudist letting the words flow from a black heart. Let it out, Jewstein, let the Semitic condescend flow. Why hold back? "the incognoscenti". We goyim, we gentile cattle - us? We're so primitive and uncultured... I see."
 
And Tom defaults to the antisemite mode.
Tom, I see you've stopped following me again.  That hurts, Tom.
:)
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:41pm
I follow talented writers that commit to producing thought provoking work, those who follow my work, and only those who are respectful.  You just don't meet these basic parameters. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:50pm
You mean, respectful, like you?  What did I see about black hearts?
 
You'll note, Tom, I let all comments on my articles stand.  Well, I did delete some on an earlier article but that's because the commenter went off the deep end.  I trust you'll extend me the same courtesy.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:52pm
I don't delete comments.  Before I knew my way around a site like this and what consensus etiquette generally is, I deleted some.  I don't delete any comments now.  I can't imagine that I would unless it were a unique case. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:53pm
And yes, respectful.  I've been respectful of you.  Boy George gets the respect he deserves based on his behavior.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:05pm
I follow talented writers that commit to producing thought provoking work
 
You wouldn't recognize talent if it poked you in the eye. You follow other anti-Semitic writers with whom you agree.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:07pm
Lol.  This is good therapy for you, boy George.  Keep it up with the one liners.  You must be relieved to be able find someone to call a Nazi, and focus your hatred exclusively. 
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:15pm
This is good therapy for you, boy George. 
 
Thanks, Ernst Rohm's Boy-Toy.
 
Keep it up with the one liners. 
 
I'll do what I can.
 
You must be relieved to be able find someone to call a Nazi, and focus your hatred exclusively.
 
Not hatred. Just amused contempt with an admixture of pity.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:16pm
Now that I like - "amused contempt with an admixture of pity."  I enjoy that.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 7:55pm
 I enjoy that.
 
Glad to hear it. That might be some healthy self-contempt on your part . . . or some maudlin self-pity.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:02pm
I just don't want you to lose sleep over the holohoax or something, Georgie.  It seems you need that, as a Jew. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:10pm
Go easy on Tom, George.  He just found out that Jews are as white as he is.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:13pm
If you're trying to rationalize your own intellectual lethargy and anti-Semitism as coming from sleep deprivation, I don't buy it.
 
It comes from common, garden-variety stupidity.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:20pm
Lol.  I'm pretty tanned right now.  Been spending a lot of time in the sun.  I'm tanner than most of the soft, pasty Jews you'll see.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:24pm
 I'm tanner than most of the soft, pasty Jews you'll see.
 
And stupider, too.
 
Tan and stupid.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:25pm
Lol
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:30pm
Yep. If you could actually grow a proper mustache, you might pass for a gay male porn start from the 1970s.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:36pm
Oh, I just laughed myself into an aneurysm.  Have to go to the hospital now, buh-bye.
 
LOL
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:40pm
Have fun guys, and cling to the personal insults if it suits you, because it only compliments my purpose and illustrates some of my points.   I actually have a full beard right now so, more of a 60s star perhaps.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:43pm
Oh, we're just having a little fun, Tom.  I laughed at some of your comments.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:48pm
I'm used to it, my feelings aren't hurt.  It seems you guys need to vent a little.  Did you go to the batting cages yet?  Do you have a heavy bag hanging in your garage  - to punch.  You can print out my picture and draw a 70s style porn mustache on, then attach it to the heavy bag and punch punch punch!
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:50pm
@Tom. Nice defenses.
@Jeff K. Faint George is hiding some ugly secret. I do not believe you are a troll, a shill, or a NAZI hunter, I even res...res...res...mumble.... Can't  say it..res..resp...  your research but George gives off horrible vibes. Team up with Tom and do an OP ED.

Boy oh boy!:)
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:53pm
@Tom. Punching bag. Haha. Spit my Irish coffee out!
Patrick Writes Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:23pm
My opinion: The Jews are still God's chosen people and bear the favor of God. And that causes eye-brow raising success in this world. And most hatred of them is simply envy.
 
But...I also believe that the Jews didn't take note of the Messiah who came and abolished the covenant of Moses (not of Abraham though). And the Jews still risk dying in their sins without faith in the Messiah, the Lamb of God.

The old covenant called for sacrifices of a spotless lamb for sins. Is that still happening? If not, wouldn't that mean they are left in their sins? 
 
The Messiah of Jesus of Nazareth offered himself as the spotless lamb. He predicted the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple which happened approx. 40 years after his death (confirmed by history, the first gospel of Mark is historically dated to approx. a decade before the destruction of Jerusalem and has Jesus predicting its destruction). 
 
Why would God allow this unless the temple was no longer necessary?
 
I also believe Christians (true ones) also bear the favor of God in this life and God establishes the works of their hands. Most Americans were once true Christians, and the country was once great. Not so much anymore (in both senses). 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:29pm
@patrick. What prophesy was fulfilled that makes you think Jews are "God's Chosen"?:)
Patrick Writes Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:32pm
A word on Martin Luther, since he was mentioned in these comments. 
 
Luther freed Christians from much of the nonsense of Catholicism at the end of the Middle Ages (indulgences--pay some money for pre-emptive forgiveness so you can go do some nasty stuff. )The Basilica of St. Peter in Rome was built off the sale of indulgences across Germany and Europe. 
 
Is that what the Bible says? Pay some money to God in advance so you can do some willful sins? 

Martin Luther primarily rebelled against this single, false teaching. He never wanted to break from Rome. But what did the Pope do? Threaten him with ex-communication if he didn't recant, then ex-communicate him (which in those days was pretty much a death sentence). 
 
So Luther broke with Rome. It was good in my opinion. It's hard to argue that Protestant countries like Germany and England took off from that moment and predominantly Catholic countries like Italy, Spain, and France began to regress over time (France did have some Protestants for a century and a bit though). 
 
And the U.S. started from nothing but allowed freedom of religion which meant Protestants streamed over and it became for a few centuries 'a shining city on a hill'. I wonder if it will be again and the country turns its back on the Christian God. 
Patrick Writes Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:38pm
@Dannl - Read Romans 11, it's blatantly obvious. 
 
"Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. "
Romans 11:1-2 
 
"Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. "
Romans 11:11
 
"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved."
Romans 11:25-26
 
"As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs"
Romans 11:28
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 1:17am
Thank you Patrick. I know those scriptures however I disagree that present day Jews are those early children of Isaac.
 
Nancy E Head Added Jul 17, 2017 - 10:54am
I consider myself a Zionist. I told a Rabbi that once and he asked me to explain myself. I said I believed in the Abrahamic covenant--that God will honor those who honor His people, the Jews. 
 
The Koran is pretty straightforward about killing the infidels. There is obvious disagreement in Islam as to whether that is all of us--non-Muslims--or only Muslims who convert to Christianity or another faith or no faith. Both views of Islam give reason for concern. The first is the most radical, the second just a bit less deadly.
 
In America, religious freedom is the law of the land. But some Muslims want sharia. The battle will not end because those who are here cannot assimilate and remain faithful to the Koran. 
 
Outside America, radical and less radical Muslims will want their way of life imposed on others. All Muslims? No. But enough.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 17, 2017 - 10:57am
Gee, how tolerant of you, Nancy.  What spurs folks like yourself to offer blind sacrifice and devotion to Jewry?  That's "what I'll never understand".
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 11:14am
@Nancy, have you Sat in a college class, listening attentively as the professor tells you, " you are here to change your lives! You are ignorant baby birds with your mouths open, and I am going to fill your mouths"
And we're you insulted?
Of course not!
Now let me tell you about your "Zionist" delusion.
You are not a Zionist!
The "Rabbi"you spoke with, does not share with Goyim ( non Jews)
Yes they will lap up your compliments and answer your question  with another question, but they laugh at you and depisd you. Your belief, dear heart, that Jews are God's chosen people is...And I am your Professor here...is sloppy Scholarship! You want to regard scripture,? Go home, learn from your Godly Husband, obey him and your elders, and remain silent in Church. dress modest, do not cut your hair, and be plain faced.
You got an argument against those precepts? Then as Paul said, we have no such custom.that means dear, We have no custom of contention.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 12:30pm
@Nancy Heard:
I'm sorry that you feel that way, Nancy.  
 
The reality is that Islam has a long history of tolerance for other religions that stretches back to the Middle Ages.  Back in the days of the early Caliphates Jews and Christians lived in relative peace in those Caliphates because Islam preaches tolerance.  They paid higher taxes but that was it.
 
It's only as time went by that sections of Islam became radicalized....as a result of Western nations colonizing their lands and exploiting their resources.  Some of the blame rests with Westerners, Nancy. Some of that blame extends to the creation of Israel.
 
Now, I will not excuse violence and I don't care if certain Muslims in this country want Sharia Law.  If that's what they want then they can move to a Muslim country.  
 
My original point still stands.  Most Muslims prefer to live in peace, we only focus on the loud, angry minority that causes problems.
 
But, I'll remind you of this.  Muslims aren't the only terrorists, Nancy.  Remember Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City bombing?  White Christian man.  Have you ever heard of the Lord's Resistance Army?  Google them, Nancy.  It's an eye opener.  Dylan Roof ring any bells, what about the KKK?  Do you know what the Phineas Brotherhood is, Nancy?  Google them.  Actually, you can just google "Christian terrorists" and get an eyeful.  Google Christian militias and see what they are.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:06pm

8th Street Crips
18 Outlaw Bloods (18 O)
59 Brims
62 Harvard Park Brims
83 Gangster Crips
93 Bloods (NTG)
111 Neighborhood Crips
183 Bloods
252 Sex Money & Murder
Ace Duece Tray Crips
Almighty Latin King / Queen Nation (ALKQN)
Black P Stones
Black Spades [defunct]
Blood Stone Villians
Bounty Hunters
Cholos Del Bronx
Dominicans Dont Play
Elm Street Piru
G Stone 823
Gangsta Killa Bloods
Geer Gang Crips (773)
Ghost Town
Grape Street Crips, 81st Street
Harlem Mafia Crips
HMC Rollin 30s
Hoovers, 59
Hoovers, 74
Hoovers, 83
Hoovers, 92
Insane Gangster Crips (ICG)
Los Traviesos
Mad Swan Bloods
Miller Gangster Bloods
MOB Piru – Murder One Bloods
Neighborhood Rollin 20s Bloods
Original Harlem Crip Rollin 30s
Netas
Nomads
Mara Salvatrucha 13 (MS13)
Outlaw Gangster Crips
PayBacc Crips
Payback Gangsta Bloods
PlayBoy Gangster Crips
Rocc Gang Neighborhood Crip
Rollin 20s Crips
Rollin 40s Crips
Rollin 60s
Rollin 90s
Santana Blocc Crips
Savage Skulls
Shot Gun Crips
Suicide Murder Crip
Tree Top Piru
Valentine Bloods
Wild Card Gangster Crips

@Jeff, this is just in the Bronx. Brooklyn is next.:)
All black/hispanic
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:09pm
My mistake that was Brooklyn.

occ Crips
Savage Skulls
Shot Gun Crips
Suicide Murder Crip
Tree Top Piru
Valentine Bloods
Wild Card Gangster Crips

Brooklyn

18 Tray Outlaws (OET)
18th Street
43 Gangster Crips
83 Gangster Crips
9 Tray Bloods (NTG), Bedford Stuyvesant area)
Avalon Gangster Crips
Decepticons [defunct]
East Gangster Crips
G Shine
G Stone Crips
Gangster Killer Bloods (GKB)
Ghost Town
Little Boys Crew (LBC)
Red Fam Piru
South Brooklyn BoysOther

South Side Crips
 
Manhattan

18th Street
59 Brims
83 Gangster Crips
93 Gangsters (NTG)
116th Street [defunct]
183 Gangster (OET)
Almighty Latin King / Queen Nation
Black P Stones
Blood Stone Gangsters
Dominicans Dont Play
Galaxies [defunct]
Jheri Curls [defunct]
Flying Dragons
Ghost Shadows
Hop Sing Boys
Korean Power
Mad Dog Bloods
Purple Gang [defunct]
Red Fam Piru
Sex Money Murder
Trinitarios
United Blood Nation
Valentine
White Tigers
Wild Cowboys [defunct]
Young Talented Children [defunct]

Staten Island

59 Brims
93 Bloods
Albania Boys Inc (ABI)
Almighty Latin King / Quenn Nations
Gangster Killer Bloods
G-Shine
Nation of Gods & Earth (NGE)
Trey Pounds
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:11pm
Aaaand here.....https://allhiphop.com/https%3A/2013/01/24/a-history-of-violence-the-black-gangs-of-chicago/
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:16pm
Jeff. Aaaaaaand
http://www.therealstreetz.com/2015/04/16/st-louis-gang-map/
 
Let me know if you want more.. There are Thousands.:)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_Memphis,_Tennessee
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:28pm
What's your point?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:31pm
http://whiteprisongangs.blogspot.com/?m=1
 
List is a little old:
 
Table 1
Top 10 white prison gangs ranked by the level of their representation in the national gang problem behind bars
1. Aryan Brotherhood
2. Aryan Nations
3. Skinheads
4. Ku Klux Klan
5. Peckerwoods
6. Aryan Circle
7. White Aryan Resistance (WAR)
8. Neo-nazis
9. Dirty White Boys
10. United Aryan Brotherhood

Table 2
Top 50 white prison gangs in the USA (unranked)
1. Aryan Brotherhood - Nationwide
2. Aryan Brotherhood of Texas
3. Aryan Circle - South
4. Aryan Family
5. Aryan Nations
6. Brothers of White Strength - Connecticut
7. Christian Identity
8. Dirty White Boys - South, Midwest
9. Irish Mob - New York
10. Hammerskins - Nationwide, International
11. Ku Klux Klan
12. NLR - Nazi Lowriders - California, West, South
13. Neo-nazis
14. Northsiders - Illinois, Midwest
15. Outlaw Mafia
16. Oklahoma Aryan Brotherhood - Oklahoma
17. Pagans MC - Northeast
18. Peckerwoods - West, South
19. Simon City Royals - Midwest, South
20. Skinheads - Nationwide, International
21. Southern Brotherhood - Alabama
22. United Aryan Brotherhood
23. White Aryan Resistance (WAR)
24. World Church of the Creator
25. White Pride
26. Aryan Knights - Idaho
27. Aryan Warriors - Nevada
28. Blood and Honour
29. Caucasian Cartel - Ohio
30. Cincinnati Caucasian Cartel - Ohio
31. DOTAR (Defenders of the Aryan Race)
32. European Kindred - Oregon, West
33. Freight Train Riders Association (FTRA)
34. Hell’s Angels MC - Nationwide, International
35. Insane Gangster Disciples - Midwest, South
36. Iron Eagle Skinheads
37. National Alliance
38. Posse Comitatus
39. Saxon Knights - Indiana, Midwest
40. SAW - Silent Aryan Warriors - Utah, West
41. SAC - Soldiers of Aryan Culture - Utah, West
42. Sons of Silence MC - Midwest, South, Germany
43. Texas Mafia
44. White Pride World Wide
45. National Socialist Movement
46. White Knights
47. United Brotherhood Kindred - Michigan
48. Universal Aryan Brotherhood
49. Stone Mercenaries
50. Fourth Reich - Utah
* Dead Man Inc - Northeast, South
* PENI - Public Enemy Number One - California, West
* Krieger Verwandt - Utah
* Brotherhood of Aryan Alliance
* Chicago Gaylords - Illinois, Midwest
* 211 Crew - Colorado
* Wood Pile Gang - Colorado
* Hard Ass Crackers - Alabama
 
THE TOP WHITE RACIST “RELIGIOUS” FRONT GROUPS
One of the open-ended questions on the survey asked “what are the largest white racist “religious” front groups that are proselytizing to the inmates in your facility?”
Top 10 white racist “religious” front groups in American prisons today (ranked by frequency cited nationally)
1. World Church of the Creator (Creativity Movement)
2. Aryan Brotherhood (not a religion)
3. Aryan Nations †
4. Ku Klux Klan †
5. Asatru (Norse paganism)
6. Odinism (Germanic paganism)
7. Christian Identity †
8. Skinheads (not a religion)
9. Church of Jesus Christ Christian †
10. Wotansvolk Wotanism (David Lane's brand of Odinism)
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:42pm
Jeff, the folks you listed to Nancy were all white.I thought you would like my fair and balanced report:))
Oh, and there is a Negro in NYC who boasted hiz gang was 750,000 strong. ( all funded by welfare and other theft, murder and drugs)
I read the article years ago in Pennsylvania, so can't give you more than my lasting impression. He was daring Whitey ( Congress) to stop welfare. He and his boys would come across the bridge.
You might find that McVey, Phineas priesthood, and others are offensive, bug you seem not to know what these gangs are doing.
What they have turned Chicago, Detroit, St.Louis, Memphis, Nashville, Knoxville, NYC into. The number of these Gangs were over a thousand pages of listing in NY. When I looked into it .
I was driven from Boston to New Jersey a few years back (2010)  the government housing in NY and NJ are a virtual forest of 13-14 story buildings- all Government housing. Woe on you after 6:00 PM.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:44pm
I wasn't talking about gangs, I was talking about terrorists.  It's not the same thing.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:52pm
Ok, Jeff, but they were all white 'Christian'
I am not a Christian Jeff. Per se, I am a Devout Bible Thumper, and a Catholic apologist. That may seem like a an insurmountable dichotomy, but It is what it is. I have some issues with Christians, ( many of them) but my stand with them is firm in the attack by the enemies of God. ( call me Don Quixote) haha.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 10:02pm
Dannl, my point to Nancy is that it's a mistake to think that only Muslims are terrorists.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 17, 2017 - 10:30pm
Jeff K. Noted. :)
wsucram15 Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:58pm
Jeffrey..Im going to say this, anyone who feels cultural bias in any form, feels "better than" in some fashion.  Which is wrong. People were created equally, no matter what you believe in. Some are better at some things than others but they make up for it in different areas, equaling the balance of things.
Hopefully.  But many dont see it that way and that is their shortcoming. I dont judge them for that, I know how they treat others will come back to them in some way. 
Not sure about this but;    hatak oh...  It means; "man, it is one."
mark henry smith Added Jul 18, 2017 - 2:19pm
Wow, now that was a lot to take in, but as the pokee said to the poker after the act was over, it's always mind over matter, no matter how little the mind.
 
So God chose the Jews to be his people. Then God chose Jesus to be his son, and the chosen people killed the person chosen to be their savior. Isn't that the end of it? No longer chosen. Broke the deal. Future of dust and the gnashing of teeth.
 
Is there one God? If there is only one God then what the hell are we all fighting about? Who gets the better birthday cards? The problem of the Jews has nothing to do with their religion. It has to do with their behavior. That they're bad neighbors, which has been proven time and time again throughout history. We let the Jews in at our peril, because they have no respect for the countries where they operate, just want to use the country as a means to an end.
 
Expat said it best, Here's our ally who has some massive accumulation of nuclear weapons, isn't willing to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, but will criticize Iran that is for doing what it is legally allowed to do under the law, laws that it won't accept.
 
That's the ultimate hypocrisy, from my viewpoint. And that's the problem with Jewish people, lying to get an advantage is part of the culture. Stealing is okay. There is no moral code that asks Jews to play fair, no love thy neighbor as thyself, no turn the other cheek, no let he who is without sin cast the first stone. The Jewish religion doesn't require the adherent to constantly ask what wrongs have been done in the name of greed to the affront of God, and to make amends. It only asks them to atone, and only to their own.
 
But all religion is a mess of contradictions meant to confuse and guilt the guileless into beating themselves into submission to make them easier to control. And I admire the Jewish people for recognizing this reality and not being cowed by it. For I too am an Israeli, arguer with God, or contender with God.
 
Let's not argue religion anymore. Let's argue how we come together in the world to address the great issue of our time, the death of much of our world.        

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