Was Europe the birthplace of Mankind?

You raise several good points, however, what about the mitochondrial Adam vs. mitochondrial Eve theory? All people except for African blacks are related to Adam who is traced back to Siberia. Different migrations of this gene pool broke away at different times, i.e. the Chinese, about 40,000 years ago. In terms of blood groups those closest to the R1B Europeans are the R1A Hindus. The separation in time is about 20,000 thousand years ago. The same root words and concepts from Vedic Culture can be found in the ancient Germanic, Greek, Celt, Roman, Egyptian, and other western tribes or cultures. Redheads have been found not only in Egypt but China as well


Anyway, this is just a sketch of the theory, but interestingly enough, the Neanderthals are not related to present day Cro-Magnon Man, for the most part. But some scientists contend the Neanderthal gene is present in the Jews!! In their Mongolian-Turkish blend. This is due to the fact, that the Neanderthals retreated up the Caucasus Mountains and what came down, much latter in time were the Khazars, who then blended quite extensively with the Mongolians and Turks. Anyway, this is just a thought that I entertain quite a bit. The Reich Was Right!!

 

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Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:13pm
Alexander,
 
It is liberating isn't it - the truth?  Your article is a breath of fresh air.  It's nice to see that others can put the pieces together.  I'm still working on the puzzle, but getting this far is a milestone. 
Jenifer Frost Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:16pm
Got that about the Khazars and Neanderthals right. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:16pm
Heh, Billy knows history well, especially as it relates to the political, socioeconomic, and cultural crisis' we're faced with today. 
MJ Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:31pm
Wow, I thought South Africa was known as the cradle of mankind!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 8:05pm
I have additional good news:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.the-scientist.com/%3Farticles.amp/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/
 
It looks like the Ashkenazi Jews actually originated in Europe.
 
Congrats, all!!!!
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 8:07pm
Uh, oh.  Looks like modern man actually arose in Morocco.  Sorry about that:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/07/oldest-homo-sapiens-bones-ever-found-shake-foundations-of-the-human-story
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 8:48pm
That's what makes them Ashkenazi, genius - but they didn't originate in Europe.  Kahzars were phallic worshippers that descended from southern Russia, then migrated to Europe where they became Ashkenazi Juden.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:09pm
Nope, sorry, the article says that that Ashkenazi Jews originated in Europe so they are just as white as you.
 
Congrats, Tom!!!!  You and the Jews are genetic brothers!!!!  You may have some Jew in you after all, doesn't that make you happy!?!?!?!?!!!!???!!!????!!!
Alexander Rados Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:13pm
 
Greetings all, I'm surprised to see that this post sparked this much interest. I would like to thank you Jeffrey for your links to other articles, they are interesting. However. there is some info contained in them which is seriously questioned. First, I ought to link to the original article, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/. This article is talking about a hominid that predates any hominid in Africa. It also, puts forth a conception of evolution that is non linear, rather it was more multifarious, as it were.
In the article relating to the Ashkenazi Jews, is far to recent for the Neanderthal theory to apply. To get an idea about the Neanderthals who we never intermingled with follow this link; http://themandus.org/gallery/.
Finally, concerning mitochondrial Adam & Eve follow this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f66h_2dRcWs & http://atlanteangardens.blogspot.ca/2014/05/out-of-africa-theory-officially-debunked.html , This provides the background information to my post above, At this point, I am still working on it, admittedly its still sketchy as it were, but not foolish or outlandish.
Anyway, this is enough for now, but I don't mind fleshing it out, if the interest is there! Again, thank you for your posts and interest, feel free to send me whatever you want on this topic. Cheers!!
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:18pm
The WB hasbara will most likely insist that you flesh it out.  Right, Jeffry?
Alexander Rados Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:20pm
Who or what is WB hasbara?
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:23pm
The WB hasbara will most likely insist that you flesh it out.  Right, Jeffry?
 
I remember Tom C. Purcell posting somewhere that he was proud to be the last surviving Neanderthal.
 
I've always wondered if his knuckles hurt from dragging on the ground.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:24pm
Alexander, if you look in the comment box, where the "B" etc. is there is a way to put your links in.  It looks like a clip, if you press that you can paste your link in it.  It took me a couple of tries to figure that out.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:24pm
Writer Beat hasbara.  You know WB.  Hasbara push Israeli and Jewish supremacy and propaganda.  There are a handful on this site. 
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:28pm
Gay male Nazi beer halls. Hitler first became famous in one. Tom C. Purcell tries to follow in der fuhrer's footsteps.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:30pm
...meet boy George, one of the hasbara trolls. 
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:32pm
Introducing Tom C. Purcell, a favorite boy-toy of Ernst Rohm.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:32pm
@Alexander Rios:
"Who or what is WB hasbara?"
 
Basically, Alexander, anyone who disagrees with Tom and some of the others on this site are labeled "Hasbara."
 
I wrote about this here:
http://www.writerbeat.com/articles/17148-How-to-Avoid-Being-Called-a-Zionist-Troll-Hasbara
 
See, unless you rock the bromance with old, Uncle Adolf you are considered a Hasbara, that is, a Jew or Jewish sympathizer.  I'm neither, I simply push for historical accuracy.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:33pm
He harps on the holohoax, Jeffrey Kelly does.  Enough said.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:34pm
Lol this is probably super petty and boring to Alexander.  Sorry Alexander, I allow myself to enjoy the exchange from time to time.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:35pm
@Tom Purcell:
Now, Tom, we don't know what Alexander believes in yet, perhaps we should ease him into this.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:35pm
I simply push for historical accuracy.
 
Unfortunately, values like "historical accuracy" mark you as a Jewish sympathizer. Nazis aren't interested in accuracy; they're interested in using history as a tool of propaganda for their cause.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:37pm
That's the pot calling the kettle black, is it not?  The ultimate tool of propaganda is the great lies of WWII and the so called "holocaust".   You'll see limited articles posted from these hasbara, and with limited persuasion.  They're mostly here to harass me and others who don't fall for the eternal persecution and white guilt thing.
Patrick Writes Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:38pm
My understanding is the official line on this topic is a mess. 
 
It used to be thought humanity came from the Middle East. But lately, with the human genome project, they are saying everyone originates from Africa. 

Except Neanderthals (which were allegedly "not" human but a different species to human beings). Neanderthals existed in Europe into the Middle East, and pre-existed human beings but lasted long into the period where human beings "took over" so to speak. And then, they're not human, but human beings intermarried with them and modern Europeans descend from us (which means most of us commenting here do).
 
So usually different species can't cross breed and propagate a line. For instance, horses and donkeys are different species. You can cross them to get a mule but the mule is sterile. 

Same with horses and zebras. That's often the case. 
 
So that's obviously not the case with Neanderthals and human beings. So were they different species????
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:40pm
Yup, I'll agree with you on that, Saint George.
 
I personally don't understand the Hitler-hero-worship, after all, the man started the European side of the bloodiest war in history that left it in ruins, attempted genocide on the Jewish people and left Germany torn in two for 45 years.
 
 
 
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:43pm
Propaganda!  Lol.  Hitler bombed his beloved Germany to ashes?  No, that was the U.S. and England.  Hitler forced Poles to rape and murder ethnic Germans in Poland?  Actually England and France started WWII by ganging up on Germany, and getting support from the U.S. until they jumped in too.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:50pm
after all, the man started the European side of the bloodiest war in history that left it in ruins, attempted genocide on the Jewish people and left Germany torn in two for 45 years.
 
That's right. And in a note he penned before his suicide, der fumigator claimed that he "never wanted this war, it's entirely the fault of Judeo-Bolshevism". Clearly a crackpot. When Germany sued for peace during WWI, Hitler was in rehab recuperating from having inhaled some gas. He claimed that when he heard about the surrender, he saw a vision of himself as leader of a risen Reich and a New World Order. Visions while recovering from gas inhalation should have been a clue right then and there as to his deranged mental state.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:51pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Propaganda! Lol. Hitler bombed his beloved Germany to ashes? No, that was the U.S"
 
So, the US should have just ignored Hitler declaring war on them?
 
"and England."
 
Well, England (and France) did warn Hitler it would be war if he invaded Poland.  There's a certain cause and effect here, Tom.
 
"Hitler forced Poles to rape and murder ethnic Germans in Poland?"
 
Wow, Goebbel's propaganda actually still works after all this time.
I think we had this discussion before.....
 
"Actually England and France started WWII by ganging up on Germany,"
 
Actually, both Britain and France declared war to fulfill the treaty they had with Poland....and then sat there for nine months.  Not a very effective gang up.  
 
"and getting support from the U.S."
 
That they did.
 
"until they jumped in too."
 
Did you miss the bit where Hitler declared war on the US?  I mean, that's the way that happened.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:58pm
Did you miss the bit where Hitler declared war on the US?  I mean, that's the way that happened.
 
Stop confusing Purcell with facts. It's unfair.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:12pm
LOL
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:19pm
England and France started WWII by ganging up on Germany
 
If only England and France had ganged up on Germany, Germany might not have successfully re-armed. It was by not observing the re-armament conditions of the Treaty of Versailles that England and France (especially France) allowed Germany under Der Fumigator to become a belligerent.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:19pm
And you guys ganging up on Tom, is not a precursor to any Advent, real or imagined?
I think the info on this thread is an interesting  study. It proves to me ( again) the accuracy of the Bible.
 Cain slew his twin brother and ate him. ( Thus, God saying ," the blood of your brother cries to Me from the ground"
Cain took wives in the land of nod. They obviously were not children of ADAM.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:24pm
And you guys ganging up on Tom, is not a precursor to any Advent, real or imagined?
 
Tom C. Purcell is a self-declared member of the Aryan Master Race. How could non-Aryans gang up on such a formidable opponent?
 
Don't be such a crybaby. Tom didn't ask for your help so don't butt into his business.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:37pm
  Faint "bruthee" George I'm not worried about Tom, fool, I am thinking of your mal nourished mentality. Tom, please pull your punches, I am dragging Faint George back to the corner and He is fighting me trying to get to the corner post mumbling," c'mon, c'mon, I'll moiduh de bum! "
Jeff Kelley can handle himself. You , Bruthee, to the locker room. Now!
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:49pm
:) I'm amused and agree with that last comment from Dannl.  I guess I would likely be considered Aryan by most standards, boy George, but I made no such declaration.   
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 11:19pm
 I made no such declaration.
 
Or with being a member of the Master Race? That's unusually modest of you.
John G Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:09am
It's hugely funny that the Corey and Purcell are scrapping.
They're both nazis but Corey is a zionist too.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 17, 2017 - 8:00am
Greetings all, Alexander here, regarding Europe as the birthplace of humanity, its not that we evolved from a hominid in Africa, rather, hominids entered into Africa. The hominids in question in Europe are the oldest to date 7.2 million years ago, before Ramapithicus or any of the Australopithecines found in Africa.  As for the Neanderthals see here: http://themandus.org/gallery/ ,
Anyway regarding WW2 revisionism, I have delved into this topic quite extensively and for the most part Tom you are right. On this topic I find it interesting that the three main pillars of the holohoax have been disproven since 1994, namely, the six million number, that Hitler had a master plan to exterminate all the Jews, and that Cyclone B gas was used, primarily at Auschwitz to exterminate Jews. The last leg of the Holohoax which is standing on very shaking ground, with mounds of research disproving the main stream narratives, concerns the Reinhardt Camps. I.e. centers of mass extermination, or so said Stalin. Needless to say, this last leg is crumbling as I write this see here http://codoh.com/library/document/4230/?lang=en . Anyway I'm signing off - Cheers!!!
Autumn Cote Added Jul 17, 2017 - 8:11am
Please note, the more personal responses you offer the more likely your articles will remain popular and commented upon.  As always, many thanks for your participation with Writer Beat!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 8:24am
LOL, look, Tom, you have another denier!
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 17, 2017 - 10:22am
I don't have another denier.  Alexander has a free mind and is on a path of truth, which I respect.
John G Added Jul 18, 2017 - 2:16am
Australian aboriginal artifacts have been carbon dated to being well over 40,000 years old.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 18, 2017 - 6:09am
Greetings all, John I'm not sure where you going with the comment you made? Is it something you find interesting and just want to share? If it is, fair enough, I agree the Australian aboriginals  are interesting in and of themselves.
Patrick the real significant finding that came out of the human genome project, which surprised science in general, had very little to do with genetics of various groups of people, this is much more recent. The startling discovery is that, genes make strands of protein or protein synthesis. What makes this so startling, is that no one can tell what tells the genes which protein strand to make i.e. green eyes, red hair, teeth, etc. For myself, I agree with Rupert Sheldrake. He posits the idea, that protein synthesis is due to morphogenetic fields. This concept  predates in time any of us, for more on this see his book "Setting Science Free" or visit and explore his website http://www.sheldrake.org/  or his banned Ted talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg Signing off for now Cheers!!!
Dino Manalis Added Jul 18, 2017 - 8:39am
Europe is known as the Old Continent, but is it the birthplace of humanity?  It's possible, but it could have been anywhere, what difference does it make?  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 8:57am
I agree, Dino.  It doesn't prove that Europeans are superior in any way.  It's a fact of history.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 10:12am
"It doesn't prove that Europeans are superior in any way."
 
It doesn't have to Jeffrey, Europeans have proven that a thousand times over, in other ways.  And anytime one agrees with Dino, it requires a careful second look.  ;)
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 10:43am
@Tom Purcell:
 
"It doesn't have to Jeffrey, Europeans have proven that a thousand times over, in other ways."
 
You mean with world wars, genocide and the rape of the environment?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 10:44am
Lol.  If that's how you choose to spin it, Jeffrey, you'll just keep spinning.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 11:27am
What, are you saying that Europeans didn't start world wars, commit genocide and rape the environment?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 11:29am
Are you saying no other race(s) did such things?  Are you saying that Europeans are only good for war, genocide and destruction? 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 11:41am
Of course not, Tom.  The problem I have is that you exalt Europeans over everyone.  That's unrealistic, yes?  Everyone is capable of good and bad because we are all human.  
We are all blank slates to start with.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 11:52am
I don't look down on other races or cultures, I just put mine first because, why wouldn't I, especially as the modern social momentum continues to increase.  Europeans have proven themselves as great builders, scientists, philosophers, hunters, artists including musicians, and yes excellent warriors among other things.  That warrior spirit is still accessible for those European men who still have pair. and the achievements of Europeans remain unsurpassed.  That's my opinion, humble or biased, and history supports this. 
 
Other cultures have achieved amazing things as well, like the Egyptians, Mayans, Japanese, Greeks, Sumatrans, Pacific Islanders, the Ottomans and others, but no one's measured up to European achievement.   
Alexander Rados Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:03pm
Yes, I agree with your sentiments completely. However, I do feel people are better off with their own. In this day and age, I consider all Pan European white people as being one, though this was not always the case, historically speaking. I take white genocide as a fact, how about you? Cheers!!
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:09pm
Yes, systematic White genocide is the real holocaust, Alexander, and it's perpetrated foremost by Jewry but too many White men seem oblivious that they assist in their own cultural, racial demise.  We have to unite as Europeans/Euro-Americans, we must wake up and for the sake of our ancestors and descendants, before western civilization goes caput and all Nordic women are bred by...others. 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:13pm
@Tom,Alexander, Jeff Kelly ( so Jeff M, the 'turribal' does not think he is included- Don't laugh Jeff Kelly I know I just included him).
The White Genocide is in accelerated ( opposite Horse and buggy) stages now. How could it be denied?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:34pm
You've convinced me.
 
White people unite!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Where's Billy?  I want to tell him the good news.
 
LOL
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:44pm
IDK, Jeffrey, it might be too late for you anyway.  Hopefully you don't end up in no man's land and crossfire, when it hits the fan.  ;)
John G Added Jul 18, 2017 - 2:37pm
If you consider 'white genocide' as a fact, please count me out of your 'pan European' white people race thingy. I won't be uniting with the likes of you or Purcell.
Thanks.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 18, 2017 - 2:45pm
That's fine with me. Racist is a code word for anti-white!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 3:49pm
Sure it is, Alexander.
LOL
I'm sure Tom and Billy welcome new deniers into the fold.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 4:17pm
Soon if not already, more people shall see the so called holocaust as fraudulent, than allegedly died at the hands of an "extermination" With so many people being, as you would call them, "deniers", at what point is the idea of a planned extermination considered a conspired denial of the truth?
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 18, 2017 - 4:41pm
@Tom, at one time, the CIA using LSD on unknowing victims was a conspiracy theory. Not any more. The Feds sterilization of Negroes jn the South? Pure bunk! ( not anymore)
The world's elite meeting at the "Bohemian Grove' for Satanic rituals? Hahaha! ( now we know they do)
The " CIA funded the Dalai Lama" Horse Feathers! Now we know they did.
Big Pharma knowingly making people sick? Dude! Your nuts! NOW WE KNOW THEY DO.!
The KGB had sleeper agents in the US during the cold War? ROFL! now we know.
Soon the fantastic lies about WWI and WWII will be common knowledge, and the Holocaust that follows ( for Politicians ) will be forthcoming.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 4:44pm
Heh, I like the style of those last comments.  You could make a really persuasive article around that..."But Now We Know".
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 18, 2017 - 4:52pm
Good idea, to, Tom! I may do that next article I post .
I named you in my last post today, J think you will see the slant.: )
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 18, 2017 - 5:06pm
I enjoyed it, and commented.  :)
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 7:47pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Soon if not already, more people shall see the so called holocaust as fraudulent, than allegedly died at the hands of an "extermination". With so many people being, as you would call them, "deniers", at what point is the idea of a planned extermination considered a conspired denial of the truth?"
 
I don't mind, Tom.  People believe all sorts of crazy shit.
 
What I've noticed is they lack proof, so, essentially, what they believe is a fantasy. People are entitled to their fantasies.  
 
Now, if they want their fantasies to be reality then all they have to do is provide some proof.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 19, 2017 - 6:47am
Tom, why do you even bother with Jeffry? It's obvious to anyone who has spent even an afternoon on the so called holocaust, that he doesn't know what he's talking about! It's your choice, so I'll just sign off here, but if you're interested in something indirectly dealing with the Jewish Question, for lack of a better term, check this link out http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/07/18/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-the-anti-defamation-commission-and-click-against-hate-part-1-of-4/ 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:27am
@Alexander Rados:
"Tom, why do you even bother with Jeffry?"
 
It's actually "Jeffrey."
 
"It's obvious to anyone who has spent even an afternoon on the so called holocaust,"
 
Is that all you've spent in the subject, Alexander?
LOL
Alexander, I've read around 25 books on the subject, visited and read dozens and dozens of websites, forums and blogs on the subject, I discuss this subject with academics and very talented amateurs who know far more about this than I do. I've even read three of the so-called "Holocaust Handbooks" and post regularly on denier blogs and forums.  
 
"that he doesn't know what he's talking about!"
 
LOL, why don't you take some time and explain it to me, Alexander?  
 
"It's your choice, so I'll just sign off here,"
 
That's amusing, I'll translate that as you really don't know anything about it and learned all of your history from YouTube.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:37am
Thank you for proving me right. By the way, you may find the above link interesting. Cheers!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:48am
@Alexander Rados:
"Thank you for proving me right."
 
So, I'm right, then?  You only spent an afternoon on the subject?
 
"By the way, you may find the above link interesting. Cheers!!"
 
Not in the slightest.  Been there, done that with the "Occidental Observer."
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 19, 2017 - 10:17am
Well, Jeffrey really wanted to engage in discussion with me on this subject, so I felt obliged to indulge him to a point.  He's not a dumb guy but he's been mislead by academia and propaganda. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 19, 2017 - 10:21am
@White. "It used to be thought humanity came from the Middle East. But lately, with the human genome project, they are saying everyone originates from Africa."
 
Is the DNA not revealing Africa as the cradle of civilization? 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 19, 2017 - 10:25am
There were multiple species of human in prehistory, as there are races of people today.  The Mesopotamia and Africa theories are merely that -  theories, unproven hypothesis.   
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 10:36am
@Tom Purcell:
"Well, Jeffrey really wanted to engage in discussion with me on this subject, so I felt obliged to indulge him to a point."
 
Gee, thanks.
:)
 
 
"He's not a dumb guy but he's been mislead by academia and propaganda."
 
Well, anytime anyone wants to show me where I'm wrong....
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 19, 2017 - 10:40am
Again?  Jeffrey, you aren't open to reflection, contemplation, altering perspective, being wrong.  It's not so much about whether or not Jews were exiled or killed, it's about the narrative, which you're mostly inflexible on.   Death camps, extermination camps, genocide, holocaust, these words are not applicable to what transpired in WWII. 
Alexander Rados Added Jul 19, 2017 - 11:26am
Tom thanks for your recent comments,  Dr. Green, the point of the original article, is that, the out of Africa theory is being seriously questioned, in the light of new evidence. Contingent to this, is that, the idea of linear evolutionary ascent is being challenged as well. The human genome project was not really focused on who came from where, rather it was focused on how genetics work or operate i.e. which gene does what, as it were. The big surprise that came out of it, was the discovery that genes engage in protein synthesis. This open up questions then it answered, because it does not or cannot be explained using a materialistic, reductionist approach. For myself, I do think that Rupert Sheldrake is correct when he posits morphogenetic fields. For links on this reference an earlier post I made above. Signing off Cheers!!   
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 1:03pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Again?"
 
Again what?
 
"Jeffrey, you aren't open to reflection, contemplation, altering perspective, being wrong."
 
Let's try this again:
Where am I wrong?
 
"It's not so much about whether or not Jews were exiled or killed, it's about the narrative, which you're mostly inflexible on."
 
That's because no one ever provided any proof that the "narrative" is wrong.
 
"Death camps, extermination camps, genocide, holocaust, these words are not applicable to what transpired in WWII."
 
OK, I'm paying attention.  How about some proof that what you (or Alexander) says is true.
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:17pm
I've shown you proofs yet, you dismiss them without consideration, Jeffrey.  That's why I don't keep providing you with important information. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:19pm
Meanwhile, in the lack of evidence supporting the so called "holocaust", is evidence that it's fraudulent and besides, "proofs" of a Jewish holocaust are missing.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:34pm
@Tom Purcell:
"I've shown you proofs yet, you dismiss them without consideration, Jeffrey."
 
What "proofs?"
Some mysticism about Rothschilds and some Jew talking in 1961, is that it?
 
"That's why I don't keep providing you with important information."
 
Tom, you haven't provided me with any information, much less important information.


"Meanwhile, in the lack of evidence supporting the so called "holocaust", is evidence that it's fraudulent"
 
LOL, what????
 
"and besides, "proofs" of a Jewish holocaust are missing."
 
Well, we can start with 5.5 million missing Jews and work our way backwards. I'm 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:45pm
David Cole, and the 1994 expose
David Irving and his WWII teachings
I could refer you to Harold Rosenthal's admittance in a long interview from 1976.  The list goes on and on.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:53pm
@Jeffrey. No Jews disappeared. Stop that please. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:53pm
What Harold Rosenthal admittance, be more specific.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:58pm
I quoted him in another article.  Here's an audio text of the interview...  Harold Wallace Rosenthal 1976 Interview
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 4:19pm
@Dannl Yoder:
"@Jeffrey. No Jews disappeared. Stop that please."
 
Sorry, I can't.  Am I wrong?  Prove it.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 19, 2017 - 4:24pm
@Jeffery. Yes I can prove it:
"I saw a man on the stairs that was not there; he wasn't there again today. J wish he'd go away.
 
 We Don't prove negatives, Jeffrey. There is no life in outer space! ( can't prove that.. Neither can NASA orove they are actually searching) :))
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 4:39pm
Well, Dannl, if you tell me that the Jews didn't disappear and all indications are that they did, then how do you know?
 
Obviously all of those Jews wound up somewhere, where?
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 19, 2017 - 4:49pm
,@Jefferey.in Israel, man! They went to Israel. You might look up on youtub: THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD. It is six hours long but worth the time.
I guess the Arabs were lying when they said all the Jews in the twin towers were given the day off on 9/11?? They had a witness at the Hilton and other hotels in Israel. Just saying.
I had an idiot tell me My Uncle's best friend has a neighbor who lost her neicrewho was Jewish...ysdda yadda
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 5:27pm
@Dannl Yoder:
",@Jefferey.in Israel, man! They went to Israel."
 
Really?  They all wound up in Israel?
Here are the Jewish demographics of Israel:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present
 
There were less than a million Jews in Israel pre-1950.  The number steadily climbs from there, of course.
 
Ironically, Dannl, the denier whining and handwringing about reparations works against you in this respect.  The original reparations agreement only specified money covering the resettlement of LIVE European Jews to Israel, it included no compensation of for dead Jews.  It was in Israel's best interest to accurately account for the European Jews living in Israel.
 
In fact, I've looked over the various compensation agreements made over the years, none of them compensates for the dead.
 
Here are more population statistics:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636
 
This shows a slightly higher number, over a million Jews, but you still can't account for the missing Jews, Dannl.  Not possible.
 
"You might look up on youtub: THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD. It is six hours long but worth the time."
 
Been there, done that, left (and still leaving) multiple obnoxious comments.  
Well, obnoxious comments to the deniers who post there.  I myself find them witty and satirical.....LOL
 

"I guess the Arabs were lying when they said all the Jews in the twin towers were given the day off on 9/11?? They had a witness at the Hilton and other hotels in Israel. Just saying."
 
Yes, Snopes debunked that years ago.  Many Jews died in the towers that day.

"I had an idiot tell me My Uncle's best friend has a neighbor who lost her neicrewho was Jewish...ysdda yadda"
 
Yeah, I don't know what that means.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 19, 2017 - 5:38pm
#Jeffrey. You don't have any marbles  in the ring. Take those out you did not have and accuse the rest of us as deniers.
If you honestly search for the truth, then you will have committed to a good work.
 
Donald Swenson Added Jul 19, 2017 - 6:00pm
Has anyone thought about this concept called 'time'? What is it? My view is that 'time' is inner and does not exist as an 'outer' thing. This means that 'time' originated with consciousness...probably around 5,000 years (sun revolutions) prior to today. Consciousness creates this concept called 'time'.
 
To talk about 10,000, 20,000, 500,000 years prior to today is 'non-sense' to me. Human beings have lived on this planet for only 6,000 years (give or take). Take human population and work backwards. In 1 A.D. there were only 200,000 people on the planet (give/take). Go back from there and we start with 2. This is called the Law of Bio-genesis. Life derives from prior 'life'. That's my view of 'time' (in reality it does not 'exist'). Show me otherwise! D
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 19, 2017 - 6:03pm
Great point,Donad as always.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 19, 2017 - 6:03pm
Donad= Donald, sorry
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 6:04pm
@Dannl Yoder
"#Jeffrey. You don't have any marbles in the ring. Take those out you did not have and accuse the rest of us as deniers.
If you honestly search for the truth, then you will have committed to a good work."
 
I searched for the truth and found it long ago.
What else am I suppose to call you?
Donald Swenson Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:18pm
Dannl: I sense some wisdom in your words. D
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:27pm
Thank you Donald
Alexander Rados Added Jul 19, 2017 - 8:24pm
Donald the idea about time to which you are referring, was taken up by Immanuel Kant. The Critique of Pure Reason may be a bit much, depending on how much time you available. To put it in a nutshell, he stated there were three kinds of propositions, analytic propositions which merely unpacks the predicate i.e. A=B, B=C, therefore A=C. Or a priori analytic propositions. One knows it true, prior to experience.
Then there are the synthetic propositions in which a predicate is added to the subject, here think of Hume and empiricism in general, which states that there is nothing in the mind, which wasn't first in the senses. So, will the Sun rise in the east and set in the west, no one can be sure, it is only habit that makes one think so. This is total skepticism as regards to Knowledge.
Kant, thought the advancement of science, and in particular Newton, rested on a more firm foundation other than habit. This leads to the a priori synthetic proposition in which a hypothesis can be formed and tested, and will hold true no matter who, when, where, the experiment is repeated. These propositions are possible because the mind is not a tabula rasa. The mind brings something to experience allowing these propositions to be formulated.
These are the forms of time and space, and the categories of thought. In order for us to have an experience of the sensory world, it must be experienced as occurring in time and space. These are the categories of time and space, with which the mind shapes all experience. So then, the forms of time and space apply to all phenomenal experience , because all experience occurs in time and space. Therefore science can form hypothesizes, and once the result is determined, laws regarding the operations of nature can then be put forth.
Finally, I understand that this may seem recondite or obscure to you. In which case, get a copy of the Critique of Pure Reason and read Kant's introduction to it, this is where most people start. Signing off and Cheers!!
Donald Swenson Added Jul 19, 2017 - 8:46pm
My sense is that MOTION exists outside my consciousness but TIME does not. Time is derived from prior MOTION. D
Donald Swenson Added Jul 19, 2017 - 8:46pm
Time, in other words is INVENTED. D
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 20, 2017 - 9:29am
A beauty about WB is it gives everyone equal opportunity to prove his or herself wise or foolish and those considered wise or foolish to prove the degree that they are more or less than others. Significantly, it is a great source of knowledge for which individuals do not have to pay. The only cost is to discern what is fact and what is opinion, least they convey old wives tales and speculation as facts; thus prove themselves foolish to outsiders.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:19am
@Tom Purcell:
"I quoted him in another article. Here's an audio text of the interview... Harold Wallace Rosenthal 1976 Interview"
 
You can read a transcript here, I didn't want to sit through an hour of an audio file.  I read faster in any case:
http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/Harold_Wallace_Rosenthal_Interview_1976.htm
 
The audio, when I listened to a bit of it, was basically reading the above script, Harold Rosenthat'ls voice is not present.  The author claims that an audio recording was made, however, it was not included in the YouTube recording.  Naturally, by the time this alleged "interview" took place Mr. Rosenthal was dead.
 
Look, Tom, if there is an actual recording of Rosenthal saying the things described above I am willing to hear it.  Track it down and post it.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:24am
Lol.  Denial is on you, Jeffrey. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:43am
Tom, does an actual audio file exist of the alleged conversation?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:45am
BTW, I pulled that "transcript" from this website:
http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/
 
You know, I'm starting to question my own sanity........
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:45am
Not that I know of, Jeffrey.  Lol.  Does an actual audio file of the "holocaust" exist?  I guess neither thing is real then, huh?
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:47am
Donald - I think time existed long before consciousness evolved. It is measured in the rocks, in the stars and uranium.
The whole universe existed even when there were no eyes to see it.
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:49am
Tom - Hitler drew up his genocidal plans before the war began. I think invading other countries might just have had something to do with England and France ganging up on him.
If he had won we would have been looking at the feeding of a lot of other races into those ovens. The Jews were the beginning.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:52am
"Hitler drew up his genocidal plans before the war began."
 
Where do people get this stuff?  I mean, besides Hollywood and cable television... There are no records of any plans of genocide at anytime, despite the propaganda.  Hitler only wanted a European Europe, a German Germany, but too many eggs got broken and there are a plethora of circumstances that contributed to that.   Germany was not totally innocent but the Third Reich never set out for world domination or genocide.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:02am
@Tom Purcell:
"Not that I know of, Jeffrey. Lol. Does an actual audio file of the "holocaust" exist? I guess neither thing is real then, huh?"
 
So, you are basing at least part of your belief system on an alleged recording made over forty years ago?
Let me introduce you to the alleged interviewer:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/10/11/longtime-christian-identity-publisher-charles-weisman-dead
 
He was a whackadoodle, Tom.
 
All we have is his word that he recorded an interview with Rosenthal in 1976.  That's it.  Rosenthal was dead so he couldn't confirm or deny that the interview took place.
 
Can you confirm that Rosenthal was even in the United States for such an interview?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:07am
No more than you can confirm Hitler was a genocidal madman.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:09am
That's your M.O., Jeffrey... You deal entirely in confirmation vs denial, and history is not so cut and dry.  You want more and more and more evidence, I provide it and each time it's "well he's crazy/can you confirm/deny/is there an actual audio file - all of these kinds of responses spurs me to disengage from the conversation because I figure, what's the use?
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:16am
...if there was a smoking gun for either of us, we probably wouldn't be arguing.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:28am
@Tom Purcell:
"That's your M.O., Jeffrey... You deal entirely in confirmation vs denial, and history is not so cut and dry. You want more and more and more evidence, I provide it and each time it's "well he's crazy/can you confirm/deny/is there an actual audio file - all of these kinds of responses spurs me to disengage from the conversation because I figure, what's the use?"
 
Tom, you held this alleged conversation up as evidence.  I am scrutinizing your evidence.  
 
Tom, when you send me a link and call it an audio file of a conversation, I perk up a bit and say, "aha, finally something tangible to listen to.  The person on this tape is supposed to provide proof."
 
What I get is someone reading about an alleged interview that took place in 1976.  Allegedly the interviewer taped this conversation.  Fine, why am I not hearing the actual interview?  The person interviewed is dead.  This is very convenient.  Why was the actual recording not released?  
 
I get this transcript from a whacked out site, the alleged interviewer is a complete whackadoodle psycho "Christian" with an extreme belief system.  He just died, why is there not audio?  
 
So, naturally, I want to hear the actual audio from the conversation.  
 
Tom, I'm very skeptical about conspiracies.  If you want to disengage, fine.  It just shows me how little actual substance is to your assertions.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:30am
Little is better than none, as none is the case of the holohoax.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:32am
@Tom and Jewfery ( haha... kidding Jeff)
Great news for sheeple!
Under pressure from the Jews ( gasp.. Tell me it ain't so!) Amazon has began getting rid of Holocaust deniers books.
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/under-pressure-amazon-stops-selling-holocaust-denial-books-1.433963
 
As reported in the JC. ( Jewish Chronicle)
Jewish?
Wow, thus news was in all the IsRAHelli papers. See how  quickely ice water goes through Hell?
Jeffery, great news, ay?
Just pull this stuff from the shelves! Somebody in America might actually waje up! 
"Ve cannot afford zis, Greenssspit! 
"Yah!Kamerad, zis I knowink already, FoolsGold! Oh Vey!"
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:36am
Hmm, I wonder what they're so worried about?  The Kahzarian says to Amazon suits- "Here's a bag of gold and some virgins, now take those truth books away and burn them!" 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:39am
@Tom, hahaha, I dropped my meerschaum pipe!
What are they worried about?
Great question.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:19pm
@ Tom Purcell:
"Little is better than none, as none is the case of the holohoax."
 
So, you feel comfortable sending me an audio file that doesn't even have the original conversation on it?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:27pm
@Dannl Hoder:
"@Tom and Jewfery ( haha... kidding Jeff)
Great news for sheeple!
Under pressure from the Jews ( gasp.. Tell me it ain't so!) Amazon has began getting rid of Holocaust deniers books.
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/under-pressure-amazon-stops-selling-holocaust-denial-books-1.433963"
 
Old news, old chum.
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27918&hilit=Amazon+stops+selling
 


"As reported in the JC. ( Jewish Chronicle)
Jewish?
Wow, thus news was in all the IsRAHelli papers. See how quickely ice water goes through Hell?
Jeffery, great news, ay?
Just pull this stuff from the shelves! Somebody in America might actually waje up!
"Ve cannot afford zis, Greenssspit!
"Yah!Kamerad, zis I knowink already, FoolsGold! Oh Vey!"
 
I always find Jew-mocking amusing, Dannl.
 
To be honest, I was disappointed in Amazon for doing this.  I have an Amazon Prime membership, I got those books for free.
 
Does it surprise you that I read some of them?  
I've read 3 of the Holocaust Handbooks (the one on Sobibor....if you and Tom need to know what Sobibor was I'll tell you....A Judge Looks at the Evidence and Giant with Feet of Clay) and a really shitty book called "A Bad War" by MS King.  It literally sucked out, after reading it I swore I was done.
 
However, deniers need not despair.  Most of the Holocaust Handbooks are free....which is their approximate worth.
 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:32pm
Jeffrey, you Bawsturd!:))
(I have to stop, I am laughing at my on cleverness.)
Jeffery, what is better than a recording?
Yes, A live testimony from someone who was in the camps.
Oh, crap! None of the 'witnesses' at Nuremberg could prove they were ever in a camp, but were allowed to testify anyway..so much for "live witness"
AAAndAnd all those soldiers who said' I was there! I liberated the Jews'
I am still searching for a single one of their 'Eye witness account' testimony at Nuremburg. Surely if I keep plucking.... I did find a couple,  both Amerucan jews,one was 'on the battlefront during the war ' and suddenly was elevated to Jewish prosecutor. Nothing suspicious about that. Eh, Jude?
 
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:40pm
"The books suck."Jeffrey
I got that!
Ok, but you say the same thing about the Bible. Which has survived attacks for centuries and you say ' that is a sh@%%y God.. " ( one that allowed the murder of, well anyone)
How long before the Holodome collapses?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:50pm
@Dannl Yoder:
"Jeffrey, you Bawsturd!:))
(I have to stop, I am laughing at my on cleverness.)
Jeffery, what is better than a recording?"
 
Dannl, it was a recording of someone reading an alleged transcript.  It was not a recording of the interview.
Listen to what Tom posted.
 

"Yes, A live testimony from someone who was in the camps.
Oh, crap! None of the 'witnesses' at Nuremberg could prove they were ever in a camp, but were allowed to testify anyway..so much for "live witness"
 
Huh?  Care to provide some examples?
 

"AAAndAnd all those soldiers who said' I was there! I liberated the Jews'"
 
I've actually watched "Nazi Concentration Camps," the film the US made about liberating the camps, Dannl.
Here's a surprise for you, they barely mentioned Jews.

"I am still searching for a single one of their 'Eye witness account' testimony at Nuremburg. Surely if I keep plucking.... I did find a couple, both Amerucan jews,one was 'on the battlefront during the war ' and suddenly was elevated to Jewish prosecutor. Nothing suspicious about that."
 
Examples, Dannl.  Use your words.
 
 
"Eh, Jude?"
 
LOL, I knew that was coming.  Denier default mode:
Anyone who disagrees with me is a Jew.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:52pm
@Dannl Yoder:
""The books suck."Jeffrey
I got that!
Ok, but you say the same thing about the Bible."
 
Where did I say that about the Bible?
 
"Which has survived attacks for centuries and you say ' that is a sh@%%y God.. " ( one that allowed the murder of, well anyone)"
 
I said your "god," Dannl.  The one in your mind that said that if the Jews died God approved.

"How long before the Holodome collapses?"
 
Well, not from the actions of you and Tom.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:06pm
Jeff, I am admittedly unable to bring to you what I have had in my hands over the years. That does not mean it doesn't exist.
I have a magazine from years ago, about an American Defense Lawyer from JAG (Justice Advocate General) who resigned his commission saying, " the Germans do not stand a chance! The deck is stacked against them...not a single 'witness' could prove they were even at a camp'
 
At one time, Jeff, maybe, you could just "Google" that, I can't.. Isn't that interesting?
I own the magazine, yet no proof of it , I can find, on the censured internet.
 
You might also like to know that, I have the magazine of the first edition of JFK shooting.
Guess what?
There is a  a man on the cover in a shooting position with what appears like a 9mm or such and a woman stepping up on the curve in between him and Kennedy.
She is carrying s white purse.
Obviously she  in between the shooter and JFK because the shooter blows her brains out this is in the Warren Commission report a motorcycle cop reported that brains bone and matter splattered on the left side of his helmet. Now the next week the same magazine has the same scene except that the shooter is airbrushed out and so is the woman however her White purse is still dangling there in mid-air.  nothing suspicious here move on folks governments do not tell fantastic lies.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:13pm
Aw, Jeff.. " not from the actions of you and Jeff"
Yes it will, buddy!
Onr day the Jews will endure an open discussion worldwide.. Wonder why they don't now?.
About the Holocaust.. Then you will see that every voice that questions this " mother of all massive eveng will come full circle in spite of tyrants like Amazon, Hellywood and others.
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:19pm
Bts. Jeffrey, I did not call you a Jew. I said "jewfery" and added I was kidding, if that is unacceptable, I will refrain.:)
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:28pm
Oh, no, you feel free to call me anything you like, Dannl....LOL
Dannl Yoder Added Jul 20, 2017 - 3:54pm
Thanks Jefferey!
But even so you remain the resident Nazi hunting troll under every bed and in every closet!:))
Tamara Wilhite Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:11pm
I think we're shifting from the out of Africa theory back to the multi-regional theory, since there is also ancient genetic flow in Asia and unique genetic markers (Denisovan?) in Australasians.