Was Europe the birthplace of Mankind?

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You raise several good points, however, what about the mitochondrial Adam vs. mitochondrial Eve theory? All people except for African blacks are related to Adam who is traced back to Siberia. Different migrations of this gene pool broke away at different times, i.e. the Chinese, about 40,000 years ago. In terms of blood groups those closest to the R1B Europeans are the R1A Hindus. The separation in time is about 20,000 thousand years ago. The same root words and concepts from Vedic Culture can be found in the ancient Germanic, Greek, Celt, Roman, Egyptian, and other western tribes or cultures. Redheads have been found not only in Egypt but China as well


Anyway, this is just a sketch of the theory, but interestingly enough, the Neanderthals are not related to present day Cro-Magnon Man, for the most part. But some scientists contend the Neanderthal gene is present in the Jews!! In their Mongolian-Turkish blend. This is due to the fact, that the Neanderthals retreated up the Caucasus Mountains and what came down, much latter in time were the Khazars, who then blended quite extensively with the Mongolians and Turks. Anyway, this is just a thought that I entertain quite a bit. The Reich Was Right!!

 

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Jenifer Frost Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:16pm
Got that about the Khazars and Neanderthals right. 
MJ Added Jul 16, 2017 - 6:31pm
Wow, I thought South Africa was known as the cradle of mankind!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 8:05pm
I have additional good news:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.the-scientist.com/%3Farticles.amp/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/
 
It looks like the Ashkenazi Jews actually originated in Europe.
 
Congrats, all!!!!
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 8:07pm
Uh, oh.  Looks like modern man actually arose in Morocco.  Sorry about that:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/07/oldest-homo-sapiens-bones-ever-found-shake-foundations-of-the-human-story
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:09pm
Nope, sorry, the article says that that Ashkenazi Jews originated in Europe so they are just as white as you.
 
Congrats, Tom!!!!  You and the Jews are genetic brothers!!!!  You may have some Jew in you after all, doesn't that make you happy!?!?!?!?!!!!???!!!????!!!
Alexander Rados Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:13pm
 
Greetings all, I'm surprised to see that this post sparked this much interest. I would like to thank you Jeffrey for your links to other articles, they are interesting. However. there is some info contained in them which is seriously questioned. First, I ought to link to the original article, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/. This article is talking about a hominid that predates any hominid in Africa. It also, puts forth a conception of evolution that is non linear, rather it was more multifarious, as it were.
In the article relating to the Ashkenazi Jews, is far to recent for the Neanderthal theory to apply. To get an idea about the Neanderthals who we never intermingled with follow this link; http://themandus.org/gallery/.
Finally, concerning mitochondrial Adam & Eve follow this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f66h_2dRcWs & http://atlanteangardens.blogspot.ca/2014/05/out-of-africa-theory-officially-debunked.html , This provides the background information to my post above, At this point, I am still working on it, admittedly its still sketchy as it were, but not foolish or outlandish.
Anyway, this is enough for now, but I don't mind fleshing it out, if the interest is there! Again, thank you for your posts and interest, feel free to send me whatever you want on this topic. Cheers!!
Alexander Rados Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:20pm
Who or what is WB hasbara?
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:23pm
The WB hasbara will most likely insist that you flesh it out.  Right, Jeffry?
 
I remember Tom C. Purcell posting somewhere that he was proud to be the last surviving Neanderthal.
 
I've always wondered if his knuckles hurt from dragging on the ground.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:24pm
Alexander, if you look in the comment box, where the "B" etc. is there is a way to put your links in.  It looks like a clip, if you press that you can paste your link in it.  It took me a couple of tries to figure that out.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:28pm
Gay male Nazi beer halls. Hitler first became famous in one. Tom C. Purcell tries to follow in der fuhrer's footsteps.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:32pm
Introducing Tom C. Purcell, a favorite boy-toy of Ernst Rohm.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:32pm
@Alexander Rios:
"Who or what is WB hasbara?"
 
Basically, Alexander, anyone who disagrees with Tom and some of the others on this site are labeled "Hasbara."
 
I wrote about this here:
http://www.writerbeat.com/articles/17148-How-to-Avoid-Being-Called-a-Zionist-Troll-Hasbara
 
See, unless you rock the bromance with old, Uncle Adolf you are considered a Hasbara, that is, a Jew or Jewish sympathizer.  I'm neither, I simply push for historical accuracy.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:35pm
@Tom Purcell:
Now, Tom, we don't know what Alexander believes in yet, perhaps we should ease him into this.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:35pm
I simply push for historical accuracy.
 
Unfortunately, values like "historical accuracy" mark you as a Jewish sympathizer. Nazis aren't interested in accuracy; they're interested in using history as a tool of propaganda for their cause.
Patrick Writes Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:38pm
My understanding is the official line on this topic is a mess. 
 
It used to be thought humanity came from the Middle East. But lately, with the human genome project, they are saying everyone originates from Africa. 

Except Neanderthals (which were allegedly "not" human but a different species to human beings). Neanderthals existed in Europe into the Middle East, and pre-existed human beings but lasted long into the period where human beings "took over" so to speak. And then, they're not human, but human beings intermarried with them and modern Europeans descend from us (which means most of us commenting here do).
 
So usually different species can't cross breed and propagate a line. For instance, horses and donkeys are different species. You can cross them to get a mule but the mule is sterile. 

Same with horses and zebras. That's often the case. 
 
So that's obviously not the case with Neanderthals and human beings. So were they different species????
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:40pm
Yup, I'll agree with you on that, Saint George.
 
I personally don't understand the Hitler-hero-worship, after all, the man started the European side of the bloodiest war in history that left it in ruins, attempted genocide on the Jewish people and left Germany torn in two for 45 years.
 
 
 
 
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:50pm
after all, the man started the European side of the bloodiest war in history that left it in ruins, attempted genocide on the Jewish people and left Germany torn in two for 45 years.
 
That's right. And in a note he penned before his suicide, der fumigator claimed that he "never wanted this war, it's entirely the fault of Judeo-Bolshevism". Clearly a crackpot. When Germany sued for peace during WWI, Hitler was in rehab recuperating from having inhaled some gas. He claimed that when he heard about the surrender, he saw a vision of himself as leader of a risen Reich and a New World Order. Visions while recovering from gas inhalation should have been a clue right then and there as to his deranged mental state.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:51pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Propaganda! Lol. Hitler bombed his beloved Germany to ashes? No, that was the U.S"
 
So, the US should have just ignored Hitler declaring war on them?
 
"and England."
 
Well, England (and France) did warn Hitler it would be war if he invaded Poland.  There's a certain cause and effect here, Tom.
 
"Hitler forced Poles to rape and murder ethnic Germans in Poland?"
 
Wow, Goebbel's propaganda actually still works after all this time.
I think we had this discussion before.....
 
"Actually England and France started WWII by ganging up on Germany,"
 
Actually, both Britain and France declared war to fulfill the treaty they had with Poland....and then sat there for nine months.  Not a very effective gang up.  
 
"and getting support from the U.S."
 
That they did.
 
"until they jumped in too."
 
Did you miss the bit where Hitler declared war on the US?  I mean, that's the way that happened.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 9:58pm
Did you miss the bit where Hitler declared war on the US?  I mean, that's the way that happened.
 
Stop confusing Purcell with facts. It's unfair.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:12pm
LOL
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:19pm
England and France started WWII by ganging up on Germany
 
If only England and France had ganged up on Germany, Germany might not have successfully re-armed. It was by not observing the re-armament conditions of the Treaty of Versailles that England and France (especially France) allowed Germany under Der Fumigator to become a belligerent.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 10:24pm
And you guys ganging up on Tom, is not a precursor to any Advent, real or imagined?
 
Tom C. Purcell is a self-declared member of the Aryan Master Race. How could non-Aryans gang up on such a formidable opponent?
 
Don't be such a crybaby. Tom didn't ask for your help so don't butt into his business.
Saint George Added Jul 16, 2017 - 11:19pm
 I made no such declaration.
 
Or with being a member of the Master Race? That's unusually modest of you.
John G Added Jul 17, 2017 - 4:09am
It's hugely funny that the Corey and Purcell are scrapping.
They're both nazis but Corey is a zionist too.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 17, 2017 - 8:00am
Greetings all, Alexander here, regarding Europe as the birthplace of humanity, its not that we evolved from a hominid in Africa, rather, hominids entered into Africa. The hominids in question in Europe are the oldest to date 7.2 million years ago, before Ramapithicus or any of the Australopithecines found in Africa.  As for the Neanderthals see here: http://themandus.org/gallery/ ,
Anyway regarding WW2 revisionism, I have delved into this topic quite extensively and for the most part Tom you are right. On this topic I find it interesting that the three main pillars of the holohoax have been disproven since 1994, namely, the six million number, that Hitler had a master plan to exterminate all the Jews, and that Cyclone B gas was used, primarily at Auschwitz to exterminate Jews. The last leg of the Holohoax which is standing on very shaking ground, with mounds of research disproving the main stream narratives, concerns the Reinhardt Camps. I.e. centers of mass extermination, or so said Stalin. Needless to say, this last leg is crumbling as I write this see here http://codoh.com/library/document/4230/?lang=en . Anyway I'm signing off - Cheers!!!
Autumn Cote Added Jul 17, 2017 - 8:11am
Please note, the more personal responses you offer the more likely your articles will remain popular and commented upon.  As always, many thanks for your participation with Writer Beat!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 17, 2017 - 8:24am
LOL, look, Tom, you have another denier!
John G Added Jul 18, 2017 - 2:16am
Australian aboriginal artifacts have been carbon dated to being well over 40,000 years old.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 18, 2017 - 6:09am
Greetings all, John I'm not sure where you going with the comment you made? Is it something you find interesting and just want to share? If it is, fair enough, I agree the Australian aboriginals  are interesting in and of themselves.
Patrick the real significant finding that came out of the human genome project, which surprised science in general, had very little to do with genetics of various groups of people, this is much more recent. The startling discovery is that, genes make strands of protein or protein synthesis. What makes this so startling, is that no one can tell what tells the genes which protein strand to make i.e. green eyes, red hair, teeth, etc. For myself, I agree with Rupert Sheldrake. He posits the idea, that protein synthesis is due to morphogenetic fields. This concept  predates in time any of us, for more on this see his book "Setting Science Free" or visit and explore his website http://www.sheldrake.org/  or his banned Ted talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg Signing off for now Cheers!!!
Dino Manalis Added Jul 18, 2017 - 8:39am
Europe is known as the Old Continent, but is it the birthplace of humanity?  It's possible, but it could have been anywhere, what difference does it make?  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 8:57am
I agree, Dino.  It doesn't prove that Europeans are superior in any way.  It's a fact of history.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 10:43am
@Tom Purcell:
 
"It doesn't have to Jeffrey, Europeans have proven that a thousand times over, in other ways."
 
You mean with world wars, genocide and the rape of the environment?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 11:27am
What, are you saying that Europeans didn't start world wars, commit genocide and rape the environment?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 11:41am
Of course not, Tom.  The problem I have is that you exalt Europeans over everyone.  That's unrealistic, yes?  Everyone is capable of good and bad because we are all human.  
We are all blank slates to start with.  
Alexander Rados Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:03pm
Yes, I agree with your sentiments completely. However, I do feel people are better off with their own. In this day and age, I consider all Pan European white people as being one, though this was not always the case, historically speaking. I take white genocide as a fact, how about you? Cheers!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 12:34pm
You've convinced me.
 
White people unite!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Where's Billy?  I want to tell him the good news.
 
LOL
John G Added Jul 18, 2017 - 2:37pm
If you consider 'white genocide' as a fact, please count me out of your 'pan European' white people race thingy. I won't be uniting with the likes of you or Purcell.
Thanks.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 18, 2017 - 2:45pm
That's fine with me. Racist is a code word for anti-white!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 3:49pm
Sure it is, Alexander.
LOL
I'm sure Tom and Billy welcome new deniers into the fold.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 18, 2017 - 7:47pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Soon if not already, more people shall see the so called holocaust as fraudulent, than allegedly died at the hands of an "extermination". With so many people being, as you would call them, "deniers", at what point is the idea of a planned extermination considered a conspired denial of the truth?"
 
I don't mind, Tom.  People believe all sorts of crazy shit.
 
What I've noticed is they lack proof, so, essentially, what they believe is a fantasy. People are entitled to their fantasies.  
 
Now, if they want their fantasies to be reality then all they have to do is provide some proof.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 19, 2017 - 6:47am
Tom, why do you even bother with Jeffry? It's obvious to anyone who has spent even an afternoon on the so called holocaust, that he doesn't know what he's talking about! It's your choice, so I'll just sign off here, but if you're interested in something indirectly dealing with the Jewish Question, for lack of a better term, check this link out http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/07/18/the-jewish-war-on-white-australia-the-anti-defamation-commission-and-click-against-hate-part-1-of-4/ 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:27am
@Alexander Rados:
"Tom, why do you even bother with Jeffry?"
 
It's actually "Jeffrey."
 
"It's obvious to anyone who has spent even an afternoon on the so called holocaust,"
 
Is that all you've spent in the subject, Alexander?
LOL
Alexander, I've read around 25 books on the subject, visited and read dozens and dozens of websites, forums and blogs on the subject, I discuss this subject with academics and very talented amateurs who know far more about this than I do. I've even read three of the so-called "Holocaust Handbooks" and post regularly on denier blogs and forums.  
 
"that he doesn't know what he's talking about!"
 
LOL, why don't you take some time and explain it to me, Alexander?  
 
"It's your choice, so I'll just sign off here,"
 
That's amusing, I'll translate that as you really don't know anything about it and learned all of your history from YouTube.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:37am
Thank you for proving me right. By the way, you may find the above link interesting. Cheers!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:48am
@Alexander Rados:
"Thank you for proving me right."
 
So, I'm right, then?  You only spent an afternoon on the subject?
 
"By the way, you may find the above link interesting. Cheers!!"
 
Not in the slightest.  Been there, done that with the "Occidental Observer."
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 19, 2017 - 10:21am
@White. "It used to be thought humanity came from the Middle East. But lately, with the human genome project, they are saying everyone originates from Africa."
 
Is the DNA not revealing Africa as the cradle of civilization? 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 10:36am
@Tom Purcell:
"Well, Jeffrey really wanted to engage in discussion with me on this subject, so I felt obliged to indulge him to a point."
 
Gee, thanks.
:)
 
 
"He's not a dumb guy but he's been mislead by academia and propaganda."
 
Well, anytime anyone wants to show me where I'm wrong....
Alexander Rados Added Jul 19, 2017 - 11:26am
Tom thanks for your recent comments,  Dr. Green, the point of the original article, is that, the out of Africa theory is being seriously questioned, in the light of new evidence. Contingent to this, is that, the idea of linear evolutionary ascent is being challenged as well. The human genome project was not really focused on who came from where, rather it was focused on how genetics work or operate i.e. which gene does what, as it were. The big surprise that came out of it, was the discovery that genes engage in protein synthesis. This open up questions then it answered, because it does not or cannot be explained using a materialistic, reductionist approach. For myself, I do think that Rupert Sheldrake is correct when he posits morphogenetic fields. For links on this reference an earlier post I made above. Signing off Cheers!!   
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 1:03pm
@Tom Purcell:
"Again?"
 
Again what?
 
"Jeffrey, you aren't open to reflection, contemplation, altering perspective, being wrong."
 
Let's try this again:
Where am I wrong?
 
"It's not so much about whether or not Jews were exiled or killed, it's about the narrative, which you're mostly inflexible on."
 
That's because no one ever provided any proof that the "narrative" is wrong.
 
"Death camps, extermination camps, genocide, holocaust, these words are not applicable to what transpired in WWII."
 
OK, I'm paying attention.  How about some proof that what you (or Alexander) says is true.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:34pm
@Tom Purcell:
"I've shown you proofs yet, you dismiss them without consideration, Jeffrey."
 
What "proofs?"
Some mysticism about Rothschilds and some Jew talking in 1961, is that it?
 
"That's why I don't keep providing you with important information."
 
Tom, you haven't provided me with any information, much less important information.


"Meanwhile, in the lack of evidence supporting the so called "holocaust", is evidence that it's fraudulent"
 
LOL, what????
 
"and besides, "proofs" of a Jewish holocaust are missing."
 
Well, we can start with 5.5 million missing Jews and work our way backwards. I'm 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 2:53pm
What Harold Rosenthal admittance, be more specific.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 4:19pm
@Dannl Yoder:
"@Jeffrey. No Jews disappeared. Stop that please."
 
Sorry, I can't.  Am I wrong?  Prove it.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 4:39pm
Well, Dannl, if you tell me that the Jews didn't disappear and all indications are that they did, then how do you know?
 
Obviously all of those Jews wound up somewhere, where?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 5:27pm
@Dannl Yoder:
",@Jefferey.in Israel, man! They went to Israel."
 
Really?  They all wound up in Israel?
Here are the Jewish demographics of Israel:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present
 
There were less than a million Jews in Israel pre-1950.  The number steadily climbs from there, of course.
 
Ironically, Dannl, the denier whining and handwringing about reparations works against you in this respect.  The original reparations agreement only specified money covering the resettlement of LIVE European Jews to Israel, it included no compensation of for dead Jews.  It was in Israel's best interest to accurately account for the European Jews living in Israel.
 
In fact, I've looked over the various compensation agreements made over the years, none of them compensates for the dead.
 
Here are more population statistics:
http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636
 
This shows a slightly higher number, over a million Jews, but you still can't account for the missing Jews, Dannl.  Not possible.
 
"You might look up on youtub: THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD. It is six hours long but worth the time."
 
Been there, done that, left (and still leaving) multiple obnoxious comments.  
Well, obnoxious comments to the deniers who post there.  I myself find them witty and satirical.....LOL
 

"I guess the Arabs were lying when they said all the Jews in the twin towers were given the day off on 9/11?? They had a witness at the Hilton and other hotels in Israel. Just saying."
 
Yes, Snopes debunked that years ago.  Many Jews died in the towers that day.

"I had an idiot tell me My Uncle's best friend has a neighbor who lost her neicrewho was Jewish...ysdda yadda"
 
Yeah, I don't know what that means.
Donald Swenson Added Jul 19, 2017 - 6:00pm
Has anyone thought about this concept called 'time'? What is it? My view is that 'time' is inner and does not exist as an 'outer' thing. This means that 'time' originated with consciousness...probably around 5,000 years (sun revolutions) prior to today. Consciousness creates this concept called 'time'.
 
To talk about 10,000, 20,000, 500,000 years prior to today is 'non-sense' to me. Human beings have lived on this planet for only 6,000 years (give or take). Take human population and work backwards. In 1 A.D. there were only 200,000 people on the planet (give/take). Go back from there and we start with 2. This is called the Law of Bio-genesis. Life derives from prior 'life'. That's my view of 'time' (in reality it does not 'exist'). Show me otherwise! D
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 19, 2017 - 6:04pm
@Dannl Yoder
"#Jeffrey. You don't have any marbles in the ring. Take those out you did not have and accuse the rest of us as deniers.
If you honestly search for the truth, then you will have committed to a good work."
 
I searched for the truth and found it long ago.
What else am I suppose to call you?
Donald Swenson Added Jul 19, 2017 - 7:18pm
Dannl: I sense some wisdom in your words. D
Alexander Rados Added Jul 19, 2017 - 8:24pm
Donald the idea about time to which you are referring, was taken up by Immanuel Kant. The Critique of Pure Reason may be a bit much, depending on how much time you available. To put it in a nutshell, he stated there were three kinds of propositions, analytic propositions which merely unpacks the predicate i.e. A=B, B=C, therefore A=C. Or a priori analytic propositions. One knows it true, prior to experience.
Then there are the synthetic propositions in which a predicate is added to the subject, here think of Hume and empiricism in general, which states that there is nothing in the mind, which wasn't first in the senses. So, will the Sun rise in the east and set in the west, no one can be sure, it is only habit that makes one think so. This is total skepticism as regards to Knowledge.
Kant, thought the advancement of science, and in particular Newton, rested on a more firm foundation other than habit. This leads to the a priori synthetic proposition in which a hypothesis can be formed and tested, and will hold true no matter who, when, where, the experiment is repeated. These propositions are possible because the mind is not a tabula rasa. The mind brings something to experience allowing these propositions to be formulated.
These are the forms of time and space, and the categories of thought. In order for us to have an experience of the sensory world, it must be experienced as occurring in time and space. These are the categories of time and space, with which the mind shapes all experience. So then, the forms of time and space apply to all phenomenal experience , because all experience occurs in time and space. Therefore science can form hypothesizes, and once the result is determined, laws regarding the operations of nature can then be put forth.
Finally, I understand that this may seem recondite or obscure to you. In which case, get a copy of the Critique of Pure Reason and read Kant's introduction to it, this is where most people start. Signing off and Cheers!!
Donald Swenson Added Jul 19, 2017 - 8:46pm
My sense is that MOTION exists outside my consciousness but TIME does not. Time is derived from prior MOTION. D
Donald Swenson Added Jul 19, 2017 - 8:46pm
Time, in other words is INVENTED. D
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 20, 2017 - 9:29am
A beauty about WB is it gives everyone equal opportunity to prove his or herself wise or foolish and those considered wise or foolish to prove the degree that they are more or less than others. Significantly, it is a great source of knowledge for which individuals do not have to pay. The only cost is to discern what is fact and what is opinion, least they convey old wives tales and speculation as facts; thus prove themselves foolish to outsiders.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:19am
@Tom Purcell:
"I quoted him in another article. Here's an audio text of the interview... Harold Wallace Rosenthal 1976 Interview"
 
You can read a transcript here, I didn't want to sit through an hour of an audio file.  I read faster in any case:
http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/HTML%20Pages/Harold_Wallace_Rosenthal_Interview_1976.htm
 
The audio, when I listened to a bit of it, was basically reading the above script, Harold Rosenthat'ls voice is not present.  The author claims that an audio recording was made, however, it was not included in the YouTube recording.  Naturally, by the time this alleged "interview" took place Mr. Rosenthal was dead.
 
Look, Tom, if there is an actual recording of Rosenthal saying the things described above I am willing to hear it.  Track it down and post it.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:43am
Tom, does an actual audio file exist of the alleged conversation?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:45am
BTW, I pulled that "transcript" from this website:
http://www.antichristconspiracy.com/
 
You know, I'm starting to question my own sanity........
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:47am
Donald - I think time existed long before consciousness evolved. It is measured in the rocks, in the stars and uranium.
The whole universe existed even when there were no eyes to see it.
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:49am
Tom - Hitler drew up his genocidal plans before the war began. I think invading other countries might just have had something to do with England and France ganging up on him.
If he had won we would have been looking at the feeding of a lot of other races into those ovens. The Jews were the beginning.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:02am
@Tom Purcell:
"Not that I know of, Jeffrey. Lol. Does an actual audio file of the "holocaust" exist? I guess neither thing is real then, huh?"
 
So, you are basing at least part of your belief system on an alleged recording made over forty years ago?
Let me introduce you to the alleged interviewer:
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/10/11/longtime-christian-identity-publisher-charles-weisman-dead
 
He was a whackadoodle, Tom.
 
All we have is his word that he recorded an interview with Rosenthal in 1976.  That's it.  Rosenthal was dead so he couldn't confirm or deny that the interview took place.
 
Can you confirm that Rosenthal was even in the United States for such an interview?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:28am
@Tom Purcell:
"That's your M.O., Jeffrey... You deal entirely in confirmation vs denial, and history is not so cut and dry. You want more and more and more evidence, I provide it and each time it's "well he's crazy/can you confirm/deny/is there an actual audio file - all of these kinds of responses spurs me to disengage from the conversation because I figure, what's the use?"
 
Tom, you held this alleged conversation up as evidence.  I am scrutinizing your evidence.  
 
Tom, when you send me a link and call it an audio file of a conversation, I perk up a bit and say, "aha, finally something tangible to listen to.  The person on this tape is supposed to provide proof."
 
What I get is someone reading about an alleged interview that took place in 1976.  Allegedly the interviewer taped this conversation.  Fine, why am I not hearing the actual interview?  The person interviewed is dead.  This is very convenient.  Why was the actual recording not released?  
 
I get this transcript from a whacked out site, the alleged interviewer is a complete whackadoodle psycho "Christian" with an extreme belief system.  He just died, why is there not audio?  
 
So, naturally, I want to hear the actual audio from the conversation.  
 
Tom, I'm very skeptical about conspiracies.  If you want to disengage, fine.  It just shows me how little actual substance is to your assertions.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:19pm
@ Tom Purcell:
"Little is better than none, as none is the case of the holohoax."
 
So, you feel comfortable sending me an audio file that doesn't even have the original conversation on it?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:27pm
@Dannl Hoder:
"@Tom and Jewfery ( haha... kidding Jeff)
Great news for sheeple!
Under pressure from the Jews ( gasp.. Tell me it ain't so!) Amazon has began getting rid of Holocaust deniers books.
https://www.thejc.com/news/world/under-pressure-amazon-stops-selling-holocaust-denial-books-1.433963"
 
Old news, old chum.
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27918&hilit=Amazon+stops+selling
 


"As reported in the JC. ( Jewish Chronicle)
Jewish?
Wow, thus news was in all the IsRAHelli papers. See how quickely ice water goes through Hell?
Jeffery, great news, ay?
Just pull this stuff from the shelves! Somebody in America might actually waje up!
"Ve cannot afford zis, Greenssspit!
"Yah!Kamerad, zis I knowink already, FoolsGold! Oh Vey!"
 
I always find Jew-mocking amusing, Dannl.
 
To be honest, I was disappointed in Amazon for doing this.  I have an Amazon Prime membership, I got those books for free.
 
Does it surprise you that I read some of them?  
I've read 3 of the Holocaust Handbooks (the one on Sobibor....if you and Tom need to know what Sobibor was I'll tell you....A Judge Looks at the Evidence and Giant with Feet of Clay) and a really shitty book called "A Bad War" by MS King.  It literally sucked out, after reading it I swore I was done.
 
However, deniers need not despair.  Most of the Holocaust Handbooks are free....which is their approximate worth.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:50pm
@Dannl Yoder:
"Jeffrey, you Bawsturd!:))
(I have to stop, I am laughing at my on cleverness.)
Jeffery, what is better than a recording?"
 
Dannl, it was a recording of someone reading an alleged transcript.  It was not a recording of the interview.
Listen to what Tom posted.
 

"Yes, A live testimony from someone who was in the camps.
Oh, crap! None of the 'witnesses' at Nuremberg could prove they were ever in a camp, but were allowed to testify anyway..so much for "live witness"
 
Huh?  Care to provide some examples?
 

"AAAndAnd all those soldiers who said' I was there! I liberated the Jews'"
 
I've actually watched "Nazi Concentration Camps," the film the US made about liberating the camps, Dannl.
Here's a surprise for you, they barely mentioned Jews.

"I am still searching for a single one of their 'Eye witness account' testimony at Nuremburg. Surely if I keep plucking.... I did find a couple, both Amerucan jews,one was 'on the battlefront during the war ' and suddenly was elevated to Jewish prosecutor. Nothing suspicious about that."
 
Examples, Dannl.  Use your words.
 
 
"Eh, Jude?"
 
LOL, I knew that was coming.  Denier default mode:
Anyone who disagrees with me is a Jew.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 1:52pm
@Dannl Yoder:
""The books suck."Jeffrey
I got that!
Ok, but you say the same thing about the Bible."
 
Where did I say that about the Bible?
 
"Which has survived attacks for centuries and you say ' that is a sh@%%y God.. " ( one that allowed the murder of, well anyone)"
 
I said your "god," Dannl.  The one in your mind that said that if the Jews died God approved.

"How long before the Holodome collapses?"
 
Well, not from the actions of you and Tom.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:28pm
Oh, no, you feel free to call me anything you like, Dannl....LOL
Tamara Wilhite Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:11pm
I think we're shifting from the out of Africa theory back to the multi-regional theory, since there is also ancient genetic flow in Asia and unique genetic markers (Denisovan?) in Australasians.
Alexander Rados Added Jul 21, 2017 - 7:32am
Tamara you are correct, the comments have drifted away from the Europe as the Birthplace For Humanity. I am going to find a different article to post. Not sure what it will be yet, maybe the balkanization of the US and the importance of polarization, but not sure. Just two final comments of the Holohoax.
 
Opher Goodwin, you are dead wrong in what you say, to date, no one has found a written policy or an official one the Reich, that stated they had a master plan, to genocide all the Jews in gas chamber and conquer the world. This is pure Hollywood Bullshit and nothing else.
Above, I posted a comment on the three pillars of the Holohoax, i.e. the six million figure, the master plan idea, just discussed above, and the use of Zyclone B gas to exterminate labor camp people.
 
All three have been disproven, however, the last hope for most useless mainstream historians and Jewry in general. Is the belief that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were mass extermination areas. Primary evidence i.e. soil samples are inconclusive, the best evidence is in the written records, that this was not the case. Anyway, I will leave this for you to explore, Despite what Jeffrey, the self proclaimed anarchist may say, Mike Kings "The Bad War" is a highly readable and accurate book, though it doesn't get into the Holohoax very much.
 
Finally, the idea of time that you suggest, was commonly known as the Sensorium. This means that time and space existed as actual conditions of the universe, in which all things occurred. This was the basis of Newtonian Mechanics. It was seriously criticized by the Empiricist tradition of Philosophy.  This is precisely what inaugurated the Copernican Revolution in Philosophy, this term does not refer to science or the Heliocentric notion of the solar system. In this application, it refers to Kant's Critical Philosophy, see earlier post above. Signing off for now and Cheers!! Oh by the way, you are correct in most of the things that you say.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 21, 2017 - 9:20am
@Alexander Rados:

"Opher Goodwin, you are dead wrong in what you say, to date, no one has found a written policy or an official one the Reich, that stated they had a master plan, to genocide all the Jews in gas chamber and conquer the world. This is pure Hollywood Bullshit and nothing else."
 
Alexander, where does anyone claim that there was a plan to genocide all the Jews in the gas chambers?
Also, this idea that Hitler planned on conquering the world is idiotic. Hitler's focus was European, not the world at large. There were some general musings on his part of what might happen to the world but they were a hundred years in the future.
 
"Above, I posted a comment on the three pillars of the Holohoax, i.e. the six million figure,"
 
Actually, no, Alexander, based on the historian you read there are many differing estimates of how many Jews died during the war.
For example Raul Hilberg thought about 5.1 million, Gerald Reitlinger believed 4.5 million, Timothy Snyder believes about 5.4 million. I've seen some population estimates as high as 5.9 million but I personally find them too high. I lean closer to Snyder, about 5.5 million, though someone I discuss this with thinks the number is closer to Hilberg and Reitlinger. Really, it's how you look at it.
Oh, BTW, Reitlinger is the first widely read author who questioned the Soviet's claim of four million dead, believing the number closer to 900,000 (full disclosure, I've never read Reitlinger's book, The Final Solution. Reitlinger published that back in 1953 and it's not an easy find. I am in the process of reading Hilberg's The Destruction of the European Jews but it's a bit of a bear to get through).

"the master plan idea, just discussed above, and the use of Zyclone B gas to exterminate labor camp people."
Zyklon B was only used primarily at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau as the extermination method (also, quite possibly at Majdanek though that's controversial and I am by no means an expert on Majdanek). Some of the other concentration camps did use it to murder inmates but this was done on a very small scale. Actually carbon monoxide was the primary killing agent, it was widely used in the Euthanasia Program in a bottled form and in the Action Reinhard Camps and Chelmno by using petrol engines. Large numbers of Jews also died from bullets, the Einsatzgruppen, Order Police, SS Cavalry and their proxies shot over a million Jewish men, women and children during the course of the war.

"All three have been disproven,"
 
Really? By who?
 
"however, the last hope for most useless mainstream historians and Jewry in general. Is the belief that the Aktion Reinhardt camps were mass extermination areas. Primary evidence i.e. soil samples are inconclusive, the best evidence is in the written records, that this was not the case."
 
Huh. So, all the ash, bones and body parts found after the war isn't evidence? What about the fact that The Hoefle Telegram points to the fact that Jews only entered the camps and never exited? What about the fact the Korherr Report does the same? What about the fact that archeological investigations prove the existence of mass graves?
I could go on and on.....
BTW, Alexander, if you click my name you'll find I've written about the Reinhard Camps. I'd love your comments, feel free to let me know where I'm wrong.

"Anyway, I will leave this for you to explore, Despite what Jeffrey, the self proclaimed anarchist may say, Mike Kings "The Bad War" is a highly readable and accurate book, though it doesn't get into the Holohoax very much."
 
It's crap, don't waste your time. Your choice, of course. I read it for free which is its approximate worth. If you do read it and have questions let me know.
 
William Stockton Added Jul 21, 2017 - 11:45am
Last I checked there are no monkeys in Europe.  LOL
 
Unless you still believe that humans were manufactured by God from a pile of mud, we humans evolved from and in tropical climates (see the history of ice ages).  Until humans figured out how to control fire did they proceed to conquer the frozen north.
 
Until just this moment did I believe the internet was a liberty of the human mind.  I am now inclined to think the internet combined with idle hands has freed rampant insanity.
Donald Swenson Added Jul 21, 2017 - 2:03pm
Live in the now. The past is merely a Now Memory. The future is merely a Now expectation. Reality is now...and then successive moments of now. D
Donald Swenson Added Jul 21, 2017 - 2:05pm
All reality is a subjective interpretation. No one knows anything with certainty. Socrates!!! D
Donald Swenson Added Jul 21, 2017 - 2:24pm
History is someone's subjective interpretation. People interpret from prior assumptions. Two people seeing the same events derive different conclusions. You and I do not see reality identically. Think in the Now. Live in the NOW. That's my view of reality. D
Alexander Rados Added Jul 21, 2017 - 3:30pm
Hey Donald , I 've read the platonic dialogs along with a few others, and in none of these dialogs does Socrates assert the notion of subjectivity. In fact, this goes against his doctrines of the Forms. As for your assertion that no one knows anything for certainty. Well, I guess you're an empiricist in the fashion of a David Hume. However, cardinal to the epistemology of empiricism, it all is based on the Representational theory of Mind.
 
This however, does not really fit in with the Vedic notion of Mudya (not sure of the spelling on this) essentially it means being aware of the space between thoughts. Here the point to grasp is that, the witness of the mind, is not to be confused with the ego or body mind complex. Unlike the empiricist philosophers, there is an ultimate realization, this is not to be confused the Buddhist notions of the Hinayana  or Mahayana traditions. It closest insight would be "the primordial mind" of Tibetan Buddhism.
 
Jeffrey, the war that Hitler wanted was the Stalinist Russia, he didn't want a war with England, France or the US. Operation Barbarossa did prove his point. When he attacked Stalin they encountered not a defensive force, but an offensive one. Stalin ultimately had his eye on the conquest of all of Europe. 
 
As for the number of dead, the last time I looked I believe the plaque said 1.5 million. Most of the recent death in the labor camps, this is the most conservative number I have seen, place it at 9-7 hundred thousand.
 
Who proved it, look at the Leuchter report and the Germer Rudolf report. This is a good place to begin.
As far as the assertion of mass graves, come on Jeffery, you know as well as I do, that there is very little evidence to support this. Of course, the Soviets bombing didn't help much, this is a reason why so much of this evidence is inconclusive. I will read what you have written, but not today, I'm very pressed for time, I'm not retired and I do have to work. Furthermore, this isn't the only site, I follow or make posts, get questions, etc.
 
I don't know what your criticism of The Bad War is, just saying its crap, really doesn't tell me much. Anyway, to go back to Tamara's comment, the original post had nothing to do with WW2 revisionism. I don't mind, following a post or website. If you want to respond to this post, the choice is yours, but I want to move on to another post, which I think might spark a lot of interest. Signing off for the weekend and Cheers!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 21, 2017 - 3:58pm
@Alexander Rados:
"Jeffrey, the war that Hitler wanted was the Stalinist Russia,"
 
Really?  Is this why he crawled into bed with Stalin and divided up Poland, handed over the Baltic states and Bessarabia and refused to aid Finland?
 
"he didn't want a war with England, France"
 
Well, unfortunately for Hitler everyone has a limit and the British and French found they had no reason to trust Hitler after Hitler tore up the Munich Agreement.  The French and British repeatedly warned Hitler that any invasion of Poland would lead to war....and it did.
 
"or the US."
 
Huh, so why did Hitler declare war on the US at the absolute worst time for him to do so?  Why bother with the US at all, with Pearl Harbor the US needed to vacate the Atlantic and shift defenses to the Pacific to deal with the Japanese.
 
"Operation Barbarossa did prove his point. When he attacked Stalin they encountered not a defensive force, but an offensive one."
 
Really?  Then explain why the crack Red Army divisions were still based in Siberia.  The Germans tore through the Red Army because it was poorly armed, equipped and led.
Look, I don't discount the possibility that Stalin believed war was inevitable.  It just wasn't a possibility at that time.  
 
"Stalin ultimately hadhis eye on the conquest of all of Europe."
 
Stalin believed in the doctrine of "Socialism in One Country."  It was one of the things he broke with over Trotsky.  
Stalin took advantage of certain opportunities that Hitler handed him.

"As for the number of dead, the last time I looked I believe the plaque said 1.5 million."
 
That's for Auschwitz.
 
"Most of the recent death in the labor camps, this is the most conservative number I have seen, place it at 9-7 hundred thousand."
 
Approximately half of the Jewish dead never saw the inside of a "camp."

"Who proved it, look at the Leuchter report and the Germer Rudolf report. This is a good place to begin."
 
Why?
Leuchter is a fraud (nothing personal) and the Poles and Richard Green debunked Rudolf.

"As far as the assertion of mass graves, come on Jeffery, you know as well as I do, that there is very little evidence to support this."
 
So, the various investigations of those sites means nothing?
 
"Of course, the Soviets bombing didn't help much, this is a reason why so much of this evidence is inconclusive."
 
I'm not sure what you mean by that....
 
"I will read what you have written, but not today, I'm very pressed for time, I'm not retired and I do have to work. Furthermore, this isn't the only site, I follow or make posts, get questions, etc."
 
Well, I also work so I know what you mean.
I'll invite you here:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39
I don't really expect you to join us but, what the hell.

"I don't know what your criticism of The Bad War is, just saying its crap, really doesn't tell me much."
 
Its historically inaccurate crackpot fiction.
William Stockton Added Jul 21, 2017 - 10:04pm
me:  I am now inclined to think the internet combined with idle hands has freed rampant insanity.
Dannl: William, how does it feel to be liberated,?:))
 
Dannl, I give you props for a good zinger.  But in my defense, I clearly am the level headed thinker in this room.  

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