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Tell you what. It's the same. Allah or God. Seem from here in Europe where we, fortunately, don't have a population which is feverishly worshipping to a god, be it any of them, we can only ask:


WHY is it that these poles are so strong ?


And what causes it that the ones are against the others although BOTH are "blessed" with the same ideology in large parts ? No idea, really. 


Allahu akhbar ! Praise the Lord ! Do it together, dammit. Get some brains and figure finally that the two major religions state, beside their barbaric undertones, the same, that there's only one god and he wants peace for all of us (under certain conditions....). But both of them think it's THEIR god which counts. The differences are not in the basic scriptures, but arrived when some clever guys showed up and figured that religion can be used politically.


PR for the masses ! People don't need education to understand the universal philosophy hidden behind it, because they don't have to understand it, they have to OBEY that image and the rules of a god who sent it all down and follow it, otherwise they'll burn in an imaginary fire. Works good in a population which can't read or write. 


2000 years ago, ok. But today ???


The only thing that makes those fairytales work until today are human's deep desire for eternal life (because he doesn't know anything else than life) and - HOPE and RELIEF.


If not, the whole stuff would have been disposed of long ago.


And with hope and relief you can stage bloody wars, because people haven't figured that the other side believes basically in the same as they do....


In the US, you have those people who apparently spend their life in church howling "Praise the Lord!!!" loudly and endlessly, and in the ME you have the same people howling "Allahu Akhbar!!!" endlessly.


OMG !!! See the difference ? There is none. 


The only difference is: The people in the ME can be lured into terrorism and war more easily due to the fact that they are poorer, less educated and have even lesser chances to get a job. In the West it's not yet like that. That's why it's still quiet on that front. But that could change, and in Europe we see the first signs already starting with the refugee crisis. But god doesn't play a role - yet.


You can bet that hardcore believers in the West which are in the same economic situation as the majority of people in Somalia, Sudan or lately Iraq and Syria are, could as easily be influenced to scream Praise the Lord ! and start a similar behavior. Emotions and fear of survival would erase any former education and would revert to - hope......religion.


Because humans are no different. The circumstances they live in make the difference.


opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 10:53am
SEF - and why is it that the hatred is strongest within the religions than between them? Sunni/Shia Protestant/Catholic. They want to kill each other and yet they follow the same book.
It's nuts.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:12am
Ah, you refine it. Thanks LOL
Dino Manalis Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:24am
Most of us believe in the divine, it gives us hope and endurance, that's why religion has to be promoting peace and brotherhood, not indoctrination or domination!
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:32am
When religion can be misused as it is, it would be better to forget it altogether and start being realistic. Life is temporary, as EVERYTHING in the universe is temporary after all. So what's the fuss ?
We don't need religion as a guidance for good behavior anymore. It's enough when parents start to see clear and teach their kids empathy and tolerance. That goes very well without religion. I see that not only in mine but friends' families as well.
EXPAT Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:38pm
Intellectual Proof that GOD is a Woman

GOD is the giver of all life! Only women can give birth.

All religions believe we are the children of GOD! We are all the children of women.

GOD is loving and caring. Women are loving and caring.

GOD provides for us and nurtures us. Only women have breasts to provide nurture.

GOD will always be there for us in our time of need. Sounds like a mother to me!

Men seek comfort in GOD. Men seek comfort in women.

http://biblehub.com/john/3-16.htm"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,

       Begotten means offspring. John should have said that SHE gave her    only son! Probably an error in translation.

Genisis: After creating the earth, GOD rested. After completing a creation cycle known as menstrual cycle, women must rest, period.

Women can create life without men; immaculate conception. Men cannot create life without women. Only GOD creates life!

If I am going into the arms of GOD when I die. I want it to be the arms of a woman.

There may be a Sainthood in this for me.
EXPAT Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:50pm
They all got the names wrong!
Jehovah - Jennifer
Yahweh - Sally
Allah - Alice
Lord - Lourdes, As in Our lady of  
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:51pm
We are all the children of women.
....with a little help of us men (yet)...
...but then why did god (HIM in scripture) plant the bitch attribute into women ? I work with 2 men and 8 women. We men NEVER have problems with each other. Best pals. The bitches are fighting and talking about each other all the time LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:52pm
That's why we should FINALLY get rid of those old fake theories.
Micahel Dolan Added Jul 20, 2017 - 2:53pm
Religion is misused-misused in all religions. Religion is a money maker for the churches an mosques. Some religions require their flocks to take to the streets and kill people to honor their God.
Be the best person you can be and even then bad things happen to you. But still be the best person you can be-anyway- it makes me fell better and that's it.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 3:02pm
Agree fully. It's the best-ever invented brainwashing method.
EXPAT Added Jul 20, 2017 - 3:07pm
...but then why did god (HIM in scripture) plant the bitch attribute into women ? I work with 2 men and 8 women. We men NEVER have problems with each other. Best pals. The bitches are fighting and talking about each other all the time LOL
The female God. made women in her own image. Which explains why religions are so combative and petty, when it comes to detail! You just answered your own question!
Women can't get along. Religions can't get along.
EXPAT Added Jul 20, 2017 - 3:10pm
P.S. Are you referring to the pretty lady in your photo? LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 3:15pm
You got a point, admitted. That lady is my wife :-)
EXPAT Added Jul 20, 2017 - 3:19pm
I knew she was your wife! That was a gotcha question.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 3:29pm
Oh.....ok. You know I'm from Berne. And we Bernese are not the fastest ones to get the point ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 3:30pm
BTW: She can be bitchy too, of course. But the recipe is not to answer and notice, and after a while she tires of it. Not a question of religion LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2017 - 4:01pm
I hope so, but since humanity doesn't learn from history, it doesn't progress in that regard as well.
Shane Laing Added Jul 20, 2017 - 4:07pm
Never going to happen. Too many with vested interests.
Justin Zhao Added Jul 20, 2017 - 5:30pm
It's shocking ignorance. I don't know why it still shocks and surprises me because this idea there are just parallel religions by different names has been standard teaching in colleges and everywhere else for 25 straight years now.
More recently, the 'New Atheists' like Dawkins made the categorical error so they can put Christianity in the same bag as Islam and call it 'Religion' (a non-existent religion).
But of course it's not true. Christianity and Islam are most definitely not some sort of parallels who just happen to have different scriptures but it's 'all the same' wearing different clothes. Judaism is not a 'parallel' and Buddhism is not just the same but with different scriptures.
Likewise, all governments are just parallels with different names. Nazis aren't just the German version of your local city council and China's CPC isn't just the same as the US System but with Chinese names.
Islam is really unique among major religions though. Like the Isrealites it copies - Islam is not just a spiritual system. Most of the religions we find are primarily about God(s) and man reconciling, spiritual redemption, personal growth and let's call it all 'spirituality'.
Islam is primarily a political party. A form of government. Islam is a socio-economic system AND within that ALSO has spiritual guidelines and lessons within it.
Now, its closest comparison would be Judaism back when they had that physical system. I know they have the actual Israel land back again but not the Temple and the system. But hang on.. even when Jews were a Social, Economic, Political system they were 'exclusive'. They had all sorts of laws and social rules for themselves and those were not for anyone outside of themselves. Israelites couldn't work on Saturday but they didn't care if the rest of the world did nor did they think the rest of the world ought to.
Islam is a political system, a nationalist system, an economic and social system with spiritual rules like the Israelites but in a very big difference it does suppose everyone in the world ought to submit to those rules. Those rules are for everyone on Earth. Big difference.
Christianity has a certain amount of prescriptions for church governments (how to organize themselves in their meetings) and nearly zero to say about the world, the secular government or economics or nations or anything but how Christianity is what can carry you through those things - whatever they may be.
Islam is unique and it's why some commentators will go as far to say Islam isn't even a religion first or at all. It's not a 'religion' in the sense most of us would understand that term to communicate.
Back to stunning ignorance but to the historical side of things. We really do know what happens with the Islamic World and 'Christendom' when they face poverty or wealth.
When Northern Europeans converted to Christianity it calmed the continent down a bit. Less raping and pillaging, less ISIS-like Tribal warfare, more focus on 'love your neighbor' and they weren't experiencing any special employment rates.
Bin Laden wasn't just far wealthier than the author of this article but almost certainly far better educated. So were his companions and so were many of the 911 hijackers.
Generally speaking, Jihadists (terrorists shouting allahu akbar) are better educated. ISIS is full of well-educate leadership. It also has a very low unemployment rate. Well, it did until Trump started destroying them. Now most are unemployed from Earth.
Iranians were among the wealthiest and most highly educated people on the planet going into the 1980s when the Islamic Reformation swept through and people started killing Jews and taking Americans hostage with a real zeal! Saudi Arabia is a very wealthy country. Lots of Middle-Eastern countries are wealthy and lots of them are well-educated. The Muslim world once had a time of tremendous wealth and employment and consequently education and it was during the time they were expanding by sword and wiping out and conquering in the name of Allah like a global gas-fire.
Christendom had periods of tremendous poverty and disaster. One cursed generation got a 'Black Plague' and it devastated entire regions into horrific poverty. A tremendous response to lives of poverty, disease and unemployment was a massive Christian Charity movement that spread like mad and started hospitals, hostels and orphanages all over Europe. it became all the rage!
What about those evil white American Christians who you believe are secretly as evil as ISIS and Al Quaida and the only reason they aren't murdering is because they have some money and jobs hmm?
Well, the truth is most every US pioneer was an e
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 6:36pm
Dino - no sign of peace, love and brotherhood/sisterhood so far. Plenty of division, hatred, death and torture.
Time to dump it. It's not fit for purpose.
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 6:38pm
Micahel - Yes - all religions are misused for power and control. Be the best person you can be - good advice.
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 6:40pm
Expat - if you don't believe in God you have to look for answers in human nature and psychology. There's where I look. Women are different to men. Men are simpler and play different games. Perhaps you just understand male games better?
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 6:41pm
John - some day...........
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 6:42pm
Shane - but we now have powerful social cohesive tools. The game changes. We might be able to make it happen.
opher goodwin Added Jul 20, 2017 - 6:46pm
Justin - all religions have had their go at creating political theocracies. It is just Islam's turn.
When Britain was a theocracy (along with most of Europe) the Church ruled, it was highly political, people were tortured and burnt and fear and hatred boiled away.
I suggest you read Wolf Hall and the madness that existed back then.
Tamara Wilhite Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:05pm
Poverty does not explain Islam's jihad into India centuries ago, killing an estimated hundred million on that continent and turning Buddhism into a worldwide faith via the refugees.
Poverty and ignorance doesn't explain Islam's spread by the sword the moment Mohamed was shunned by the Jews in Medina and he declared war on the world, killing all the men in villages while taking women and children as slaves. It doesn't explain Islam spread by holy armies per the words of the Koran and example of Mohamed across the Middle East in his final years and decades after his death, taking Egypt, Iran, and much of the Levant. It only slowed on contact with the Mongols and European leaders like Charles Martel.
Islam is at its core a violent faith, with the latter 2/3 of the text saying conquer the world until all submit, if they pay extra taxes and put up with extra humiliations they can be non-Muslims but these rules and restrictions push them to convert, that it is a sin NOT to go to war to spread Islam or impose it on EVERYONE so that even the infidel covers up, because Islam is so good and holy that everyone must abide by it unless in the Christian quarter or inside their homes.
Islam is unique in human history for the holy book mandating a political system that enforces the religion. Christianity in contrast specifically separates church and state.
Islam is different from Christianity in that the Christian god loves everyone while Islam's Allah only loves the believers, condemns all unbelievers and even dissidents in Islam to hell.
Christianity has no compulsion in religion. The Koran's early verse of "no compulsion in religion" is abrogated by later verses saying kill all the infidels, fight until all the world belongs to Allah.
The Koran makes spreading and strengthening Islam the GREATEST good. The verses on Taqqiya and judicial rulings say you can lie to someone to convert them, and that killing ten to scare 20 into converting to Islam is a moral act, a good act, because the unbelievers are dead and 20 more converted to Islam.  This is the justification for terrorism, something Mohamed did.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
A command to strike terror with horrors to scare them into converting.

Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Commit horrible acts so that everyone is scared into submission - terrorism.

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."
If they won't convert when offered, Muslims have the obligation to kill and/or conquer them.
Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of
violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but are not enthusiastic fundamentalists.
This verse is why Muslims see it as acceptable to kill other Muslim sects. It is also the verse that allows fundamentalist Muslims to kill the moderates who seek to reform the faith.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 20, 2017 - 11:08pm
Monotheism is a Western concept.  Both Christianity and Islam sprang from Judaism, and all have male gods. To leave Jews out of this mix ignores the fact that Jews and Muslims are at constant war, too.  
The oil is possibly the latest reason all three religions are vying for dominance in the middle east, but fighting has been going on since before oil was discovered. Remember the Crusades, the Holy Roman Empire, the Inquisition?  Christianity presumably has evolved beyond witch burning, but today's witch hunts for Islamic terrorists are reminiscent of the same barbaric, testosterone-poisoned, dominance and control mind-sets.  
So I agree with Expat, to a point.  The biggest problem with monotheistic traditions is the sexes are out of balance.   
wsucram15 Added Jul 21, 2017 - 12:26am
You guys, God and Religion.  Just go to the damn music page and stop writing about religion or politics.
You either believe or you do not. 
Tamara..that was a good breakdown...but I dont believe that Islam is an entirely violent religion.  I think it has been interpreted this way, the same way the Bible can be twisted to think something.
 But I actually spoke to person (on here) from Saudi Arabia who was studying to be a jurist, I think they are called. He interprets I guess "laws " based on text in the Quran.  Now he was on here two years ago now..but he was talking to people and didnt disagree with, but didnt understand why we do the things we do here.  He talked a lot with MPP and I think SEF. 
I dont know why some Muslims are non-violent and some are jihadists, but we have BY FAR killed millions of them, (many more) to the couple thousand of us they have killed.  Maybe thats the reason.
People just need to live in peace and believe what they want, if they cant do that well, its time to make room for people who can.
Micahel Dolan Added Jul 21, 2017 - 12:52am
I get up in the morning and I say-okay-how are my kids and what will my wife be doing today. Bad things happen to good people-Good things happen  to bad people. Life is an everyday surprise-good news- bad news-horrible news.
Read the bible and read the prophecies-The Prophecies become reality's.
Cullen Kehoe Added Jul 21, 2017 - 1:24am
Are Socrates and Karl Marx the same because they could both broadly be called philosophers?
Since some took the writing of Karl Marx and set up governments that executed millions (China, Russia), does that make Karl Marx and all readers and admirers of his evil? And murders? 
And by association does that make Socrates an evil murderer (since all philosophers are the same)? 
This is a limitation of the human mind. We group things into boxes that kinda seem the same to us. But sometimes we oversimplify the world as we do this. We group things together that aren't the same at all. And we err when we do it. 
There are some who think there's a creative force that was behind the universe coming into existence. And we're all praying and worshiping the same thing. That's fine if you believe that. But a whole lot of people in the world do not see things that way. 
Does it matter? I'd argue it does. If there is a personal being, God, who wants to have a personal relationship with you. But there are constraints to that relationship. And you're breaking those constraints. Calling him the wrong name. Doing stuff he doesn't care about, thinking it's great. And you're not doing things he cares about, and not caring that you're not. You don't actually have any relationship with that personal God. So you're wasting you're time. You think you have a relationship with God and you have nothing. That's how I see it anyway. 
How can you say that Christianity which holds human free will in high regard the same as a religion that, in my cases today, has the death penalty for apostasy? And even in cultures where, because of the laws of Western society, they can't kill their relative for rejecting Islam, they still face complete ostracizing? These two religions don't seem the same to me. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 21, 2017 - 5:59am
Hey Stone -
Not a bad piece here. I know what you want to say and I am not completely disagreeing with you. I mentioned before that I planned to address much of this in a new posting. I will hope to have that up some time this weekend. In the meantime....
There is a new post up this morning by Danusha V. Gorka ( hope I got that name right!) that is a must read.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 21, 2017 - 6:00am
Goska, sorry. Piece is titled The Strange Death of Europe
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 21, 2017 - 8:42am
The only difference is: The people in the ME can be lured into terrorism and war more easily due to the fact that they are poorer, less educated and have even lesser chances to get a job. In the West it's not yet like that. That's why it's still quiet on that front. But that could change, and in Europe we see the first signs already starting with the refugee crisis. But god doesn't play a role - yet.
Stone - You are right, but you are only partly right. 
Europe, being much older, has evolved into a more secular society. Despite how you may observe it from where you are I assure the same is happening in the US. While you may envision the irrational zealot from the "bible belt", wild eyed and waving their bibles as they declare damnation upon sinners I am here to tell you two things.  These people are a minority. They represent "a" church, not "the" church, okay? The fact is that the majority of Americans today declare no religious affiliation and those numbers are growing. Just as we as individuals may outgrow our religious instruction from our childhood so too do societies go through this process. It is something that needs to occur as a process, not an event.
The second thing is this. You have in another discussion stated your great dislike ( In fact I believe you used the word "hate" ) for the US export of what I call "garbage culture". Rap music, the glorification of the "gangsta" culture. I can tell you that there are large numbers of Americans who are also disgusted by this. Not so much the existence of it as the promotion of  it, as though it is something culturally redeeming. It isn't, but a lot of record and entertainment companies seem determined to convince us otherwise. Those of us who dislike this are not all Jesus junkies. Most of us are simply people with better tastes, as subjective as that is. Some people like it. Okay. Doesn't mean it should be one of our chief exports.
I want you to ponder this. How is that the US, if we are the guardians of the great banner of christianity as you suggest, are also to the parties guilty of exporting such trash? I mean the two certainly aren't compatible, are they?
My friend for all of our faults this is where the true difference between us and the Islamic world exists. Here we are, at least for the time being, still permitted the freedom of expression which can allow both to come from the same source. This can not, however, be said about the Islamic world.
You and I and others here can freely write our thoughts upon what we see as the fallacies of religion, Islam or Christianity either one. There seems to be a fair number of people on here with strong criticism for Judaism ( you all know who you are ). We can say these things about christians without the worry that mad armies of christian warriors will assemble and rain down their righteous wrath upon us in the form of car bombs, airplanes, missiles, knives, suicide vests or whatever other means of mayhem they may have lying about.  We are free to defame jews in any way we see fit and can go to bed at night without the worry that the Mossad will come crashing through our windows or raving mobs of rabbis will hurl molotov cocktails at our homes. And yes, we can even depict the Islamic prophet in an unflattering light without worrying.....
Oh! Wait. In that case the same is not quite true, is it?  Charlie Hebdo? Bataclan?  These events have occurred in France, where by all accounts the government and the people have been most welcoming and accommodating to their muslim brothers and sisters. The San Bernadino murderers? These were people who were welcomed into a US who bent over backwards to welcome them and be tolerant towards their choice of faith.  Oh, and there were those two charming young men, brothers, who set off their improvised explosive device at the Boston Marathon, where people of all colors and faiths gathered to enjoy the event. They were guests in our country, in fact the beneficiaries of a considerable amount of aid courtesy of the taxpayers of the state of Massachusetts.  Ask Salman Rushdie about criticizing Islam. 
These are but a very few examples. There are many, many more.
Listen to the state sponsored vitriol against christians and jews alike being propagated by Iran. And to Americans as well, all of us, not just the religious. Many other muslim clerics from throughout the world, middle east and elsewhere, freely preach a gospel of hate and murder. Try checking them out on the internet. There are many to choose from. But we are admonished that we must be tolerant. Islam is a religion of peace. Any who raise the call against this imminent threat is automatically branded as an Islamophobe, a reactionary bigot set on launching the new crusades.
The west
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 21, 2017 - 8:43am
Damn it! got cut off again!
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 21, 2017 - 9:28am
Ok, I'm getting tired of these damned error messages disposing my comments. I went back and tried to reconstruct and it got lost again. I will reserve my further comment to my next posting
Stone-Eater Added Jul 21, 2017 - 10:55am
How is that the US, if we are the guardians of the great banner of christianity as you suggest, are also to the parties guilty of exporting such trash? I mean the two certainly aren't compatible, are they?
Easy. The US is a contradictory society. While at the same time banning the FUCK word and bare breasts on TV, they favor violence in the same media.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 21, 2017 - 11:30am
Exactly! You hit the nail on the head. Any free society will present contradictions. It is the freedom that permits both to exist in the same space. The US is not a monolithic culture. But this same freedom does not exist in the Islamic world.
opher goodwin Added Jul 21, 2017 - 12:45pm
But Burghal - no society is completely free - it is a set of compromises. Islam is just less free than others.
I'm alright as long as the compromise is a good one. Total freedom is anarchy and that is the strong bullying the weak.
Carole McKee Added Jul 21, 2017 - 2:47pm
I agree with Stone-Eater. there is only one God, and it doesn't matter what name you give Him. Every one of us are His children.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 21, 2017 - 2:51pm
I am not advocating that we allow the strong bully the weak, but lets be honest with ourselves, shall we? Anarchy is our natural state, the same as any other animal.
The best way to allow for compromise is to allow for individual choice,taken freely and without coercion. States are the antithesis of this. States are a human order imposed upon the natural order. I don't suggest that we can live together, all 7+ billion of us, without some kind of accepted guidelines, but it is futile to believe that a set of guidelines can be made that enough of those billions will agree upon as to avoid conflicts. It's an ideal, I'll even go so far as to say that it is a laudable goal, but accept that it is something, due to the very nature of human beings, which is unattainable. And so, as you say, we try to reach that compromise. In relative terms western society is closer to realizing this than Islamic society is, as it currently exists. Could that change? Certainly, if members of Islamic society could be freed to take more choices of their own. It is not for us to help them realize this. They must do it for themselves.
One can not admit in one breath that, as you have said yourself, that Islam is less free than other societies while in the same breath assert an equivalency between Islam and those other societies. Unless of course war is peace and slavery is freedom....
opher goodwin Added Jul 21, 2017 - 6:31pm
Carole - I believe god is a fiction that we have created. All Abrahamic religions have inherited the same god though each gives him a different character. The god of the old testament is not that of the new or Koran.
opher goodwin Added Jul 21, 2017 - 6:36pm
Burghal - I do not agree that anarchy is our natural state. We are tribal and have a clear inclination to follow leaders. We, like, other chimps, form into packs with clear social rules and patterns. That is not anarchy. It is a very structured society. We need to produce and refine that on a grander scale for the 8 billion of us on this planet.
Islam is an extreme adherence to a set of medieval rules that are at best ambiguous and at worst barbaric.
opher goodwin Added Jul 21, 2017 - 6:38pm
John G - of course their is wide variation between Muslim cultures. Of course many are peaceful and tolerant and some are violent and intolerant.
All religions are the same. Religion - it's a man-made power game.
Eileen de Bruin Added Jul 22, 2017 - 8:51am
Expat, I love the God is a woman thing!  It fits.  Womb Man is a man with a womb of course.
It does figure in scripture of course and we are obsessed with misogyny in our societies both Christian and Islam......keep the women subdued and quiet and yielding.  Fascinating stuff inside of the yin yang context, which is the Male and Female balance being there.
Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden and being thrown out and the woman's betrayal...but was it? It represents evolution and the serpent in the grass relates directly to kundalini which is the earth energy, femail. at the base of the spine.
SEF ...yes, yes and why and why is it all so awry?  Even in a Health food and herbal shop I know in the UK, the woman who is now in her late seventies, but lookes ageless, is very wise and people come to her for spiritual advice.  She told me that, often, inside her shop arguments break out between the religious including the separate types of churches within protestantism and Catholicism and then "against" spirituality.  
There is no conflict between any of the teachings which come all the way from Yogiism, Brahma ( Abraham came out of India and I reckon was known as A Brahma, hence the Abraham name...and being the Father of both Judaism and Islam). through Judaism and Buddhism and reformed Islam through Mohammed.  There is not discrepancy as it shows a clear time line of development. We see, by nature, division instead of unity. It, whatever it is, is used to control people to assert power and on and on and on.
Any human being who claims in this century that God requires us to make war and kill vilely and widely is either severely stunted or a power being.  In the Bhagavad vita, yes, it explains a time in evolution when it was required but that is another subject and context of time. and is about being aware of the never ending life context.
History repeats itself only when we have not learned our lessons.  We, cumulatively then, have not.
But I am aware that the reasons and drivers are coming from many of us.  As above, so below sort of thing.
Great stuff SEF...keep it going.
Carole McKee Added Jul 22, 2017 - 3:08pm
Opher: It is certainly your right to believe as you wish. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. The problem lies when people take offense to another person's beliefs. 
Carole McKee Added Jul 22, 2017 - 3:11pm
Opher: It is certainly your right to believe as you wish.  Everyone is entitled to his/her own beliefs. When others get offended by what a person or group believes, is where the problem lies.
Carole McKee Added Jul 22, 2017 - 3:12pm
Sorry, didn't mean to post this twice. i thought I deleted the first one and changed the wording.
opher goodwin Added Jul 22, 2017 - 7:03pm
Carole I agree. I would like to feel that I am a tolerant person but there are some issues I feel passionate about and would speak out on even if it does cause offence. I do not mean to disrespect people but sometimes the things they do affect others - particularly women and children - and I consider them wrong. I do not tolerate violence, misogyny, racism or indoctrination.
opher goodwin Added Jul 22, 2017 - 7:03pm
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Stone-Eater Added Jul 23, 2017 - 9:55am
None at the moment LOL
Carole McKee Added Jul 26, 2017 - 12:16pm
Opher:  I do not tolerate violence, misogyny, racism or indoctrination. I can't tolerate any of those things either. And I don't believe that's actually part of anyone's religion. These thoughts and actions are man-made, and many have been incorporated in the name of religion. But religion is actually an action, not a belief or a faith. 
Eileen de Bruin Added Jul 27, 2017 - 4:15am
Opher and Caole, yes, if we religiously do anything, it is an action which can be totally removed from or absent of any spiritual insight.
Religion can be a programming so that we do not have to question. A teaching which requires a discipline to learn from it, can be a form of religious application of a structure to help us learn. But following ritual for its own sake or keeping norms which pass feom the generations does not help us see or learn more.
Indoctrination of norma from any type of peoples including castes and hierarchies keeps things as they are.  Spirituality, in my view, moves to a different level and seeks the truth and underlying commonalities in all of the teachings, provided to free us from being narrow, but used, sadly to maintain the divisions.
Perhaps, ultimately, it is about uncovering our own prejuduces and evaluating them, personally and privately, for what they are.
But to use the religious divides to promote and feed the war machine is nothing to do with a belief system of commonality and learning, but has everything to do with controlling the masses and keeping the wars going. Justification for war equals lots of money for,cthe arms industry and politicians etc. Where ever in the news do we see articles about the commonality in teachings and the truth and proper history behind Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism.......not in chronologocal order by the way.
If we want a stick to beat someone, we will find it, by God!