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A young woman called 911, to report another woman being assaulted in the alley behind her home. When she saw a patrol car, she ran out in her PJ's to report what had happened. The officer sitting in the passenger seat shot her in the stomach and killed her! That seems to be the factual summary. Everything else is up for speculation.


This story is a tragedy for all concerned, and I would be inclined to wait for the system to determine any wrong doing. But the longer this story goes on, the more bizarre it gets.

First thing you need to know is that this happened in Minneapolis, MN. This is probably the strangest group of people in the USA. They elected Jesse Ventura Governor in 1998, a professional wrestler and actor. You know, the guy who wants all drugs to be legal, and sued the widow of Chris Kyle after getting punched out in a bar. Now working for the Russians on RT.


Also the home of Al Franken, the comedian Senator.


It is very difficult to understand if any lives matter anymore! I try to make sense of the increasing violence, as it is presented by the Media in America, but common sense seems to have left the country. I know I did!

 A case in point, that has gotten international attention is an Australian woman, Justine Damond, or ,

Ruszczyk, depending on who is writing the story.


Now any normal person would shrug and say “Let the system work to determine if there was any wrong doing ” But so much is made lately about Police murdering Black People, you have to wonder when the reverse is true, what really happened?


Do White lives Matter?

Well Justine was white and Mohamed Noor was Black. He was also a Somali Immigrant.

In fact he was a poster boy for diversity.


The Somali-born Minnesota police officer alleged to have shot and killed an unarmed Australian woman on Saturday had been lauded by Minneapolis’ mayor and feted by the local community when he joined the force in 2015.

“I want to take a moment to recognize Officer Mohamed Noor, the newest Somali officer in the Minneapolis Police Department,” Mayor Betsy Hodges wrote in a Facebook post when Noor began serving the city. “Officer Noor has been assigned to the 5th Precinct, where his arrival has been highly celebrated, particularly by the Somali community in and around Karmel Mall.”

In fact, The Washington Post reported that community threw a party for Noor – the first Somali-American officer to serve in the precinct. Minneapolis is home to one of the nation's largest Somali communities.

“He came to the United States at a young age and is thankful to have had so many opportunities,” Thomas Plunkett, Noor’s attorney, said Monday. “…For him, being a police officer is a calling.”

Abdikadir Hassan, a local community leader, told The Minneapolis Star Tribune that Noor was a role model.

“He is inspiring to young people in the community,” Hassan said. “He is very supportive and good with the kids. He is such a lovely guy.”

Well it seems he wasn't the only Diversity Cop on the force.

1996: Harteau and her then-partner, Holly Keegel, file complaints with the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, alleging they were targets of sexual harassment. The case was later resolved through mediation.

May 2012: Minneapolis police chief Tim Dolan announces his upcoming retirement. Mayor R.T. Rybak names Harteau his likely replacement. “I think she’s fantastic,” said then-Council Member Betsy Hodges. Harteau has policing, administrative and people skills, said Hodges, who called herself an unqualified supporter.

December 2012: Harteau receives unanimous council approval and is sworn in as the city’s police chief. She is the first woman chief in the department’s history, as well as the first gay chief.



Mayor Betsy Hodges said she asked for the chief's resignation after assessing where the department needs to go.

"I've lost confidence in the Chief's ability to lead us further ... it is clear that she has lost the confidence of the people of Minneapolis as well," Hodges said. "For us to continue to transform policing — and community trust in policing — we need new leadership at MPD."

Hours later, Hodges was interrupted as she tried to elaborate on Harteau's departure at a City Hall news conference. A few dozen protesters entered the room and demanded her resignation, chanting "Bye-bye Betsy as they waved signs that said "Messy Betsy" and "You are next." Hodges eventually walked out as they surrounded her at the podium, but returned later to take questions from reporters.


Minneapolis is pushing back against President Trump's executive order on immigration enforcement that threatens to withhold federal funds from so-called "sanctuary cities."

City Council members on Thursday received an update from a task force which did not recommend that the city soften its stance.

The phrase sanctuary city is at the center of a major political battle. But it's a term that has no legal definition, and it can mean different things to different people.

Under Trump's executive order called "Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States," so-called sanctuary cities or jurisdictions shield people who are here illegally. It says those cities "willfully violate Federal law."


The Minneapolis Police Department also receives about $1 million a year from the Department of Justice for a number of different public safety programs. Earlier this week, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions warned that those dollars could also be withheld.

Shortly after that announcement, Minneapolis Police Chief Janee Harteau said the impact of losing that money would be significant. The department recently used grant money from the Community Oriented Policing Services program under the Department of Justice to help buy body cameras for its officers.

May I remind you, that none of the Cameras were turned on!

But does any of this matter? Was Officer Mohamed Noor a good cop?

WND has learned he was one of five Somalis on the entire force and that the city makes a special effort to recruit Somalis as part of its affirmative-action plan.

The city’s affirmative-action program requires it to give preferential treatment to minorities, not only those hired by the city but by all contractors awarded contracts of more than $100,000.

The city’s leaders bemoaned the fact that they could not come up with more blacks to staff 100 new positions that came open at the end of 2014. The Star-Tribune, in an Aug. 19, 2014, article headlined “Minneapolis police struggle to hire diverse force,” interviewed several activists who took the city to task for allowing the number of black officers to dwindle.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/killer-cop-mohamed-noor-a-diversity-hire/#iCHfaeB77GfkADdw.99

But what about the man?

What’s ironic is that while the city was recruiting Somalis to become police officers, al-Shabab and the Islamic State were recruiting them just as heavily to become terrorists.

Andrew Luger, the Obama-appointed U.S. Attorney for Minnesota, admitted during a press conference announcing the terrorism-related arrests of six more Somalis in April 2015 that “Minnesota has a terror recruitment problem.”

More than three-dozen young Somali men from Minneapolis have left the U.S. to fight for al-Shabaab in Somalia and for ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/killer-cop-mohamed-noor-a-diversity-hire/#iCHfaeB77GfkADdw.99

But what about Officer Mohamad Noor? What kind of record did he have?

Records from the city's Office of Police Conduct Review reveal some details about Noor's background. They show that Noor has had three complaints against him. Two are pending, and the third was dismissed without discipline. Under state law, details of open cases and cases that result in no discipline are not released.

The officer was also sued earlier this year after a May 25 incident in which he and other officers took a woman to the hospital for an apparent mental health crisis. The lawsuit claims Noor and the other officers violated the woman's rights when they entered her home without permission and Noor grabbed her wrist and upper arm. Noor relaxed his grip when the woman said she had a previous shoulder injury, the lawsuit says.

department policy, refusing to say what happened and lawyering up!

Did the ethnicity of the cop have anything to do with what happened? The Liberals on this site will cry HELL NO. But if He were white, he never would have been hired!

And a White woman would be alive after trying to be a good American,.......Australian, whatever!




EXPAT Added Jul 22, 2017 - 3:42am
Don't you just love diversity? Forget competency. Hire the Refugee, LGBTQ, Minority, guy who will work for food, whatever.
You no longer need to be Qualified, just the right category. Remember White people are privileged!
MillionDollarBonus Added Jul 22, 2017 - 5:06am
Seriously??? OMG this is RACIST!
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 22, 2017 - 7:07am
the liberal social justice warriors are the biggest racists of all. Every thought, every action, every policy, every judgement they make is rooted in identity. They preach inclusivity yet their constant partitioning of society into identity segments creates more division than there had been previously. This is not the textbook definition, but a good working definition for racism that most all can agree upon is this:
Racism is treating an individual or group of individuals differently than others for no reason other than their race.
Sound fair? Who could disagree with that? It seems pretty straightforward to me. So with this as an agreed upon standard for the term, please explain to me how affirmative action hiring policies are not racism? Affirmative action ( what a clever description, btw) policy says that "preferential treatment" in hiring will be exercised for racial minorities. Oh yes, and it is also for the purpose of creating diversity in the work force. Affirmative action, like most other liberal social constructs, is just a sugar coated name to make a policy sound benign in character. Like rolling a turd sandwich in powdered sugar and calling it a doughnut.
A more accurate description of affirmative action would be this:
Our hiring policy is to select individuals first on the basis of their race. We are guilty white liberals who know that we are smarter than everyone else so we're going to pander to your racial group because, well, we don't have enough respect for you as an individual to judge you on the merits of your character or your abilities. Because you are a minority you could never get this job on your own without our help, so we are going to consider you differently than candidates from any other group because of your race. You can thank us at the ballot box in November.
Cullen Kehoe Added Jul 22, 2017 - 8:05am
I've seen this in the news. It's a strange and sad story. To have an officer fire from the passenger side of a squad car into a person standing next to the driver side window, obviously endangering their partner is truly bizarre.
He fired multiple times too. Some reports say the Australian woman in her pajamas, in a good part of town, calling the police for a sexual assault, approached the car and was already speaking to the officer in the driver side door when the shots were fired. Other reports say she approached the car when she was shot. 
What I've gathered is this shooter must have had an extremely itchy trigger finger. You're in a good part of town. The silhouette is a woman in pj's. You're answering a sexual assault (not something necessarily in the 'very dangerous' category).
I've casually heard strange things about Minneapolis cops over the years. (Sorry, just being honest here) That they are racist and over the top. Being pulled over for "Driving While Black" (i.e. not doing anything wrong, just driving a car down the street) is something black people have to live with. 
A black standup comic playing in Minneapolis in the mid 90's claimed he was harassed by police walking down the street minding his own business, when he said to his friend to take down the squad car number so he could report them as they walked off, the cop came up and put a gun in his face and arrested him. 
So...maybe the over-the-top police conventions they have bleed down into new recruits. And if you get some strange people with a power trip, an itchy trigger finger, maybe you can get this sort of result. 
Stone-Eater Added Jul 22, 2017 - 10:53am
Lives matter. Color is superficial.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 22, 2017 - 11:32am
All lives matter, that's why the police should avoid killing suspects, they ought to protect themselves with the least force necessary, I understand perfection may not always be possible, that's why I hope stun gun technology will be improved to allow cops to subdue suspects without killing them, because all lives matter!
Bill H. Added Jul 22, 2017 - 11:35am
SEF is right - all lives matter. Until we finally figure out that we are all the same and continue to hold and reinforce our prejudices, this will continue.
Back in the late '70s, I had a side job helping to train police canines and their handlers. I discovered then that quite a few officers held prejudices and feelings of negativity towards minorities, which they would freely talk about while in groups. I also found that many would overreact and panic when faced with threatening situations resulting in poor decisions and what I considered as unnecessary negative outcomes in quite a few instances.
It used to be that many of the senior officers would work as a team to "weed out" these "renegade officers" to help maintain the department's stature, but more and more these days I see what appears as a "gang mentality" in some departments.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Jul 22, 2017 - 12:15pm
I doubt very much that this cop shot this lady because she was a defenseless white woman in pajamas.  I think he was scared, he didn't know what the fuck and he shouldn't have been wearing a uniform.
I can show you a video of a naked white woman who came into a restaurant  through the back door we think, she just tore that restaurant to pieces.  You can see this huge black man who is backing up and getting out of there.  I imagine this cop heard of such things, maybe even trained to watch for such things and he thought he was going to get tore up, so he shot her.
I think the problem is training.  These cops are not trained right. That is the problem. 
George N Romey Added Jul 22, 2017 - 12:24pm
MPP I think its probably hard finding people to take the job to begin with and as a result we have cops that shouldn't be cops.  This is a very sad story and one we might never really know the exact circumstances.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Jul 22, 2017 - 12:30pm
George, I wouldn't want to be a cop.  With cancer rates and diabetes so high.  Most of your qualified candidates have been sucked up by the military.  We just don't have a large pull of strong healthy people who qualify to be a cop.  But what we do have we can train them better than we do, we need to.  Wasting time on this blame game is useless. 
EXPAT Added Jul 22, 2017 - 3:48pm
MillionDollarBonus wrote:

"Seriously??? OMG this is RACIST!"
I'm glad you understand the problem. These affirmative action programs and the 1964 Civil Rights act have turned races and sexes, against each other.
All those category boxes to qualify for jobs and city contracts should be eliminated!
EXPAT Added Jul 22, 2017 - 4:01pm
Well said!
"Racism is treating an individual or group of individuals differently than others for no reason other than their race."

Bill H. Added Jul 22, 2017 - 4:05pm
One will also find that the mindset and personalities of those who seek employment in law enforcement tends to be many times those who were bullied in school at a young age or have strong issues with minorities. These traits are now part of the screening interviews in quite a few departments. I suspect it may be fairly easy to get around these questions with the "right" answers.
EXPAT Added Jul 22, 2017 - 4:26pm
Patrick. I didn't want to speculate, but I am sure the assassinated police officer and the others before her, was on his mind when he pulled the trigger.
EXPAT Added Jul 22, 2017 - 4:40pm
Tom. Our society is now full of people who are in their jobs because of Race or Sex who are not qualified to be there.
Civil Rights has lowered the standard of all social services, from Judges to Janitors. Only the high profile (Sensational cases) get exposed.
The only way to solve this is to make race and sex irrelevant in judging qualifications.
This guy would never have been a cop on his merit!
EXPAT Added Jul 22, 2017 - 4:49pm
Bill H and Stone.
Color is part of our society. It was written into law with the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and subsequent legislation! If color was "superficial", we wouldn't need quotas and special hiring would we?
You can dream with Dr. King all you like, but we are a racist society by LAW!
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 22, 2017 - 5:16pm
Cops aren't black or white they are blue ("blue lives matter") they are routinely trained to view civilians as the enemy. Thus many are little more than goon thugs. Until police are retrained to serve and protect as opposed to abuse and destroy the best advice is to never, ever, call the police. Ever. Learn to handle your own business. 
Bill H. Added Jul 22, 2017 - 5:31pm
I don't follow, nor agree with the racist "law". I do believe that those who abide by the stereotypes and hold onto outmoded prejudices are in many cases ones who have deep set inferiority complexes and are easily manipulated by those who they feel are superior to themselves.
This goes for any person of any ethnic group (and since a few of you just love to politicize things), of any narrow-minded political belief.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 23, 2017 - 4:13am
That is some bizarre shit and if terrorists are taking a page out of KKK playbook to become law enforcement personnel (correction officer, especially), then that is some dangerous shit.  Black as well as White police treat Blacks like dogs. Rarely you find Black police shooting Whites. If the death of this lady is frightening to Whites (as it should be to all citizens), then all questionable deaths at police hands should be. Still, there is a need to examine our prisons to see how KKK correction officers are treating Black inmates. All lives should matter, or none will. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 23, 2017 - 5:25am
Absolutely hilarious "MillionDollarBonus" calling anything or anyone racist considering that he is a fake progressive (ie neoliberal) Hillary Clinton supporter and like her a bloodthirsty racist against all dark skinned people. 
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Jul 23, 2017 - 5:58am
I suppose maybe I should have done more research, the lady wasn't approaching them when she was shot, she was talking to the other police officer when she was shot, I guess his partner didn't like what she was saying.  Here I was defending him.  That cop must have worked for blackwater or something.
Tamara Wilhite Added Jul 23, 2017 - 12:37pm
The waffling of "do we protest police shootings?" or "do we side against the victim because she's white?" reveals that Black Lives Matter isn't against police brutality, the seizing of property under pressure without charges, etc.
BLM is a movement entirely to remove police so that organized black power groups can dominate their communities, regardless of what is safer or better for those communities.
EXPAT Added Jul 23, 2017 - 5:57pm
Sorry to take so long answering your valued comments, but my WI_FI has been down for two days, and still is not working properly.
I try to answer everyone out of courtesy.
EXPAT Added Jul 23, 2017 - 6:12pm
Surely you realize we NEED police. The question is should they be highly paid professionals who are judged on merit?
The politically correct social justice society of today, dictates that a persons ethnicity or sexual orientation is just as important as ability to do the job.
That lowers the overall quality of the organization, no matter how you view it! Be it Police, Fire, medics or Military. I want the best if I need them!
I don't care if a black, lesbian, veteran with a Spanish last name services me or not. I just want the best.
Sometimes diversity is required by the job, such as Language and culture differences, but that is job related; not society or politically demanded!
We as a society, need the best doing their best, if we are to be great!
EXPAT Added Jul 23, 2017 - 6:19pm
Bill H.
Another plague on our society is armature Psychologists who think they understand the motivation and complexes of others. Instead of dealing with issues and actions, they deal with motivations and perceived psychosis.
That may work for federal judges, but only adds a false perception to a problem, and can delay the solution!
EXPAT Added Jul 23, 2017 - 6:27pm
Hey Doc.
I want people making life and death decisions, to be the best they can be. We can't be chained to stereotypes any longer!
I thought community ride along programs of the 70's were a good idea. What happened?
Don't be bitter. None of us like being told what we can or can't do. No matter the color or sex of the cop!
EXPAT Added Jul 23, 2017 - 6:35pm
MPP. I did research this, and every story is different. They can't even get her name right, and the Cop isn't talking.
That is the sorry state of journalism today. Every source just fills in the blanks with whatever delusion their ideology dictates. Facts and details no longer matter.
The point I wanted to make, was that a young woman was dead, because an incompetent, Politically Correct appointee was placed in a job he was unqualified to perform, just to satisfy a political constituency.
EXPAT Added Jul 23, 2017 - 6:47pm
Tamara. We need to return to looking at individual actions. As a society, no one is served by grouping all respondents in a group so large they represent ALL things!
Organized Black Power Groups as well as Organized criminals already dominate poor communities. That perpetuates crime and poverty!
BLM is just a vocalization of what most residents of these communities FEEL.
I wanted to insinuate with my title, that we are ALL victims of injustice and need to return to respect for the individual! No matter color or profession, we are all people!
Mark Hunter Added Jul 24, 2017 - 1:09am
Most (obviously not all) police officers are good people trying to do a difficult job that endangers them more and more every day. But maybe we could improve policing overall if we stopped hiring them according to their skin color or gender, and start hiring them according to their ability. The second thing is that if a cop does turn out to be  bad, he needs to be drummed out of the service, immediately, no question. No defending bad cops.
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 4:58am
Mark. We agree on this. When I was a long Island Teen. Police hired rookies who went to the Academy in Riverhead, the county seat. After training they went on the street with an experienced officer. The rookie carried a baton and a radio. No gun!  He wore a khaki uniform, and didn't get a Blue uniform until1 year on patrol with good reports. This not only helped the rookie adjust to street life, but kept the officer in line as he had a witness he wasn't sure of.
The Police in Min. are political appointees.
Mark Hunter Added Jul 24, 2017 - 6:18am
Our officers go through a long testing process before they're even hired, including written and physical tests and psychiatric testing. Then they attend the state law enforcement academy, then have a field training officer before they're released--a similar process.
Red Breast Added Jul 24, 2017 - 10:16am
"Don't you just love diversity? Forget competency. Hire the Refugee, LGBTQ, Minority, guy who will work for food, whatever.
You no longer need to be Qualified, just the right category. Remember White people are privileged!"
You seem to have hit the nail for the criteria of how (at least) United Nations, and South Africa public departments hire their employees!
There are certain jobs that 'a white, privileged person' should never dream of ...
Billy Roper Added Jul 24, 2017 - 11:39am
The average Somalian IQ is below room temperature. This third world cop was an affirmative action diversity hire. More and more White people are awakening, some of them because of tragedies like this.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 24, 2017 - 1:39pm
Just thinking about how difficult it was to shoot out the driver's side door from the passenger side.  If you have recently looked inside the front seat of a police car, there is usually a pretty large computer monitor  that sits between the driver and passenger.  So you add that to the steering wheel, and the driver, and how incredibly dangerous was it to fire his weapon in this manner, under ANY circumstances ?  Add to this the difficulty it is to draw ones weapon, while seated in the police car, he  had to have done that pretty early on in the process.  It probably was also difficult to see what was really going on, so regardless of what he heard, or thought  he  heard, he couldnt have seen what was going on, and yet he decided to shoot ?
Clearly we have people who are police officers that shouldnt be.  While this is a government job, it is not your ordinary civil service job.  We are putting guns in the hands of these folks, and there is little room for error, if we choose the  wrong people.  More attention needs to be paid to the psych tests for who is a police officer, and who is not.  People do not have a RIGHT to be a police officer.
One of the disservices the NRA does to us, is that they portray a country where there are criminals, and responsible gun owners.  Unfortunately there is a large group of people who are not criminals, they are not legally mentally ill, but they dont have the mental stability to have a gun in their hands.  They are irresponsible gun owners.  Apparently some of these people are also police officers.
wsucram15 Added Jul 24, 2017 - 1:54pm
Thats really terrible, especially she she might just have relied on community help from the police, something in short supply right now.
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 3:46pm
Bill Kemps. This is a real brain twister!
"One of the disservices the NRA does to us, is that they portray a country where there are criminals, and responsible gun owners.  Unfortunately there is a large group of people who are not criminals, they are not legally mentally ill, but they dont have the mental stability to have a gun in their hands.  They are irresponsible gun owners.  Apparently some of these people are also police officers."
You think the NRA is responsible for a Uber Liberal City, with a mayor known as Hijab Hodges, and a Lesbian Police Chief who sued the city to get her job, who then reject qualified white American candidates, to hire a refugee who has been in trouble since he first got the job.
Jeeze. It would seem that Mental Stability, is in question on all aspects of this incident!
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 4:06pm
Billy and Tom.
It is the Politically Correct over Qualifications that I bring to question. There was an incident where a Lady cop shot a big unarmed black man because she was scared, and then was acquitted because she feared for her life.
The military is expected to lower their physical standards, to allow women to join front line combat units.
Refugee's who don't share our respect for human life, are handed a gun and authority over citizens, because a Liberal Mayor wants to demonstrate that unassimilated Somali's 15 of which have already gone to ISIS from the same area, can assimilate!
In Universities, Medical facilities, Public Schools, and all branches of Government, more qualified candidates are passed over to allow less qualified social misfits to give the appearance that All are equal.
Do we want a society where service is lowered to appear that all shapes and colors are equal, or do we want the best, doing their best, for the best result?
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 4:15pm
Red Breast.
I assume you meant the United States, not Nations. And we can see what their open arms for refugees is doing to their traditional societies.
Instead of dealing with the world as it is, and trying to improve conditions worldwide, the Progressive Left wants to install appearances, and hide reality.
I want the best for all, not a show for ideology/
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 4:19pm
wsucram15. The police are there "to protect and serve" (LA police motto).
Obviously that has changed to protect ideology, and serve politicians.
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 4:20pm
Forget 911, carry a gun!
wsucram15 Added Jul 24, 2017 - 8:29pm
Now how many times have I told you this is NOT how things work anymore Expat?  I have told you story after story about the police here as opposed to lets say Seattle (same population, same sq mileage).
Higerh crime and violence, higher police brutality.  All I can say, is you cannot approach a police car here, or really a cop.  They tell you to stop and talk.  Its crazy.
But again, I would not want their job.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 24, 2017 - 10:49pm
Expat writes "Forget 911, carry a gun!" 
Good advice! 
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 11:30pm
wsucram15. The only time you talk to police, is when you are wearing a pussy hat, "Hands Up" tee shirt and carrying a sign that says BLM. Since you are usually screaming, there is no need to let you within spitting distance. That's not crazy, that's smart.
In their shift briefing, they are shown a photo of you and your kids. How many times have you filed complaints against police?
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 11:43pm
forget nine one one, Carry a gun
Police respond in twenty minutes
Nothing is faster than a speeding bullet
Why trust others to do it
Jenifer Frost never gets lost
Her friends are Smith & Wesson
She is free to go, and none say no
If they try, she will teach a lesson
Mircea Negres Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:26am
Good intentions gone bad, doing the right thing gone wrong, a guy who shouldn't be in the job has a gun and tragedy ensues. What a world we live in. EXPAT, all things being equal, this incident was a fuck up of note. I see a murder charge coming and that silly cop should be put in a cell with a couple of guys from the Aryan Brotherhood...
Red Breast Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:24am
EXPAT, I find this subject is very worthwhile to discuss. Btw I indeed meant United Nations (UN), but that’s no prob…we have this occurrence of quotas in US, UN, EU.
While this incident of accidental killing seems to have been a real chain reaction of an unfortunate cluster f***-ups, it really is worthwhile to discuss when / where it is justified to substitute skill  and job match for something else.  
Affirmative action, also known as reservation in India and Nepal, positive discrimination in the UK, and employment equity (in a narrower context) in Canada and South Africa, is the policy of favoring members of a disadvantaged group who suffer or have suffered from discrimination within a culture. Historically and internationally, support for affirmative action has sought to achieve goals such as bridging inequalities in employment and pay, increasing access to education, promoting diversity, and redressing apparent past wrongs, harms, or hindrances.
The term "affirmative action" was first used in the United States in "Executive Order No. 10925", signed by President John F. Kennedy on 6 March 1961, which included a provision that government contractors "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin." It was used to promote actions that achieve non-discrimination. (Source)
Law regarding quotas and affirmative action varies widely from nation to nation.
The question still remains: Should the requirements for the intake for jobs / universities be the same for all, or not? If you implement quotas based on ethnicity, sex etc – the law IS NOT same for all. The most skilled person will not be selected.
I take a deep breath and conclude, siting below: Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair – and any quotas aren’t going to make it more so.
“… but if someone really cared
Well they'd take the time to spare
A moment to try and understand
Another one's despair
…Remember in this game we call life
That no one said it's fair”
(Guns n’ Roses; Breakdown)
EXPAT Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:25am
Mircea. Glad you survived the SA demonstrations.
In USA, as in SA, Cops have great leeway in their actions. They couldn't do the job without it. I mentioned a similar action to Billy and Tom, where a woman cop killed an unarmed Black man because he scared her.
All a Cop has to say is that he/she felt they were in danger. "FELT". As in scared. That is why only strong, Qualified people should be on the job. But Political goals have replaced public safety, and people DIE, as a result.
I tried not to speculate, but it sounds like this Cop was scared, due to the assassination of a woman Cop just the week before. He heard fireworks and thought it could be gun fire. He must have had his weapon in hand and fired when startled. He could have easily shot his partner as well as the Woman.
As long as people are in dangerous situations, mistakes will be made, and people will die needlessly. But it should be kept to a minimum, by having the best people available on the job. Not the most PC!
Mark Hunter Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:33am
I'm so sick of PC, I can't tell you.
EXPAT Added Jul 25, 2017 - 7:00am
Every thinking person is Mark! That is why Trump is POTUS!
The irony is that there are many highly trained Military people returning from combat, who would give anything for the opportunity afforded this refugee.
Mircea Negres Added Jul 25, 2017 - 1:55pm
EXPAT, the anti-Zuma demonstrations of which I attended one in Port Elizabeth, were generally peaceful because the protesters were law abiding citizens who voiced their opinions. The cops kept their distance, but I did see some private security guys moving on the opposite edge of the demonstration from where I was. There was a drone taking pictures of the crowd, whose operator didn't like to have it photographed or filmed (got pics and video to prove it), and two or three guys without credentials who filmed and photographed people from the top of City Hall without credentials around their necks (saw that quite clearly, but my pictures don't really show it), which made me think they were SAPS (cops) Crime Intelligence, which is probably illegal because it would be seen as "intimidation", which is a criminal offense in SA law that's punishable by years in jail and/or a fine. In my life, I've survived assassination attempts, been robed once (as a kid, in Romania), been at gunpoint, had a contract out on my life twice, was a bodyguard, soldier who became a mercenary, worked private security, and so on. As such, violence and the threat of violence don't scare me, but it terrifies others to the point at which they act as stupidly as the cop you mentioned, and that I cannot abide because those in dangerous professions ought to accept the risk of death as a normal part of the job like the sheriffs played by Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen in the movie Appaloosa (great, thoroughly underrated Western), where Viggo Mortensen tells a bad guy something like "Do you think we're scared of dyin'? If we were, we wouldn't be in this job."
Tom, that was my intention. If you're black and wanna be scared shitless, be scared of some tough guys from the AB, who are sworn to kill you and your kind, not some woman in pajamas coming to give you intel. Based on how EXPAT described it, I'd call that cop a pussy with a badge and gun who shouldn't have been there, and he ought to be convicted of murder instead of manslaughter, because he intended to kill.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:45pm
An interesting take on why cops of all colors kill people of all colors in America. Note I do believe that putting people who are seriously under qualified and should never be police on duty is a big part of the problem. But there are probably multiple factors involved. 
The Reason US Police Murder US Citizens - PaulCraigRoberts.org - http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/07/25/reason-us-police-murder-us-citizens/
EXPAT Added Jul 25, 2017 - 7:23pm
Red Breast.
I agree in principle with Affirmative Action. People are not Color Coded. There are strong women and weak men. Every person should be afforded the opportunity to be the best they can be.
What I disagree with are the PC politicians, activists and community organizers that want to FAKE success with quotas and categories that do little to bring the best people of all groups to their potential.
This officer was an example of lowering the standard to accommodate a political goal. It takes a long time to assimilate, or even understand another culture. To give someone a Badge and Gun, who has not fully accepted the priorities and customs of a culture is stupidity!
You can't make a brain surgeon by giving him a title and a medical kit!
Most quotas are faked. Ask Elizabeth Warren who claimed  to be 1/32 American Indian. That's why Trump calls her  Pocahontas.
As a society we need the best in every category, not the one who fills a left wing fantasy. If a house is run down, repair it! Don't just paint over it!
EXPAT Added Jul 25, 2017 - 7:39pm
I wrote you a poem, but you didn't respond.
I don't know this PaulCraigRoberts. But anyone who writes that Police Murder US citizens, is not worthy of my time.
We the People pay and train Cops to enforce the Laws we pass. They are not allowed to use judgment in most cases (My instructor called it the Police Imperative), and if met with resistance must use equal force up to and including KILLING the offender.
Police chases in LA, were killing so many people over traffic offenses, Police were forced to cease high speed chases.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 25, 2017 - 9:28pm
Yea I liked the poem :-) 
Just trying to add other options to the discussion. 
EXPAT Added Jul 25, 2017 - 10:19pm
Yes other options help clarify a position, whether one agrees or not! But there are a few not worth considering, without specific examples of the Action. Such as Police murdering people. I know that was a popular movie called "Righteous Kill' but we need to keep our fantasy's separate from real life.
EXPAT Added Jul 26, 2017 - 4:45am
(CNN)One week after an unarmed Minneapolis woman was killed in an officer-involved shooting, street signs criticizing "easily startled" police have popped up in the Twin Cities.
The orange traffic sign lookalikes depict a police officer jumping in the air, discharging a gun with each hand. "Warning," the signs read, "Twin Cities Police easily startled."


St. Paul Police Department spokesman Steve Linders confirmed there was at least one sign in St. Paul and another in Minneapolis. Linders didn't comment on any reaction from officers to the signs.
"We are aware of the signs and Minneapolis Public Works is removing them," Minneapolis Police Department spokeswoman Sgt. Catherine Michal said. "We have no further comment at this time."
Cullen Kehoe Added Jul 26, 2017 - 9:23pm
Don't call the cops for anything you can't sort out yourself is the lesson. Or maybe it varies depending on the city. I've heard and read of a lot of bizarre stuff concerning the Twin Cities and police. 
EXPAT Added Jul 27, 2017 - 12:23am
I posted Forget 9-1-1, carry a gun. More and more police departments are becoming political tools for administrations, on all sides of the spectrum.
I can't help but think, citizen patrols with Camera's and radios is the future! It is too easy for police to forget to turn on their surveillance cameras both body and vehicle, as in the case of this Aussie woman.
Police are a political organization. Perhaps a National Police force with precincts, is the answer. Local Cops just aren't serving the people any more!
I was very pro police until this happened and I realized they had been corrupted just like the school districts.
wsucram15 Added Jul 27, 2017 - 6:21pm
Twice with my son, and three times for myself.
I had a cop grab me inside my car for asking a question about a routine traffic stop. One time I had a supervisor (a LT) make a pass at me on a job, yes I used to work WITH police. The cops here are worthless and I mean that.
The other was at an accident scene where the officer (who was well over 6'5"- big man) approached me for taking pictures of the rear of my auto which had been hit for my insurance company. He pushed me out of the way and refused to let me use my phone which is illegal in Baltimore.
He was put on leave w/o pay due to other complaints filed as well.  There was a news article on the abuse of officers, reports not being followed up on the following week By IA.  After I spoke to the Commissioners office and got the report done.  
The idea behind him not allowing me to take pictures was he was supposed to do that and Baltimore then charges you for the pictures and the report for your insurance claim.   I think its 30.00,  So its a legal scam..done by the police department and I told the commissioner that.   IT is what it is..
EXPAT Added Jul 27, 2017 - 10:54pm
Conflict can only end in Fascism or Chaos, without compromise! Right now the USA is in Chaos. It can only result in Fascism. Either the left version or the right. But it doesn't matter for the Individual. Either way they lose their individualism.
I have found my personal freedom by leaving USA. In America, freedom is only possible for the chosen people. I watch the collapse of the American Way, and realize that the conflict of ideas can only end in suppression.
For this reason, there has never been a Democracy, and never can be.
What we mistakenly call Democracy in USA, is the tyranny of the Majority!
51% of ideologues believe they have a right, duty, obligation to force compliance from 49%. I believe that was the popular vote count for Hillary.
But thanks to our system, 49% had their way, and the 51% must be suppressed, to maintain order! (Fascism makes the trains run on time!)
Expect a National Police Force, within a year!