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Now listen.


We have so many discussions here about Jews or Trump or Putin or whoever occupies the media at this point as an actuality or - not.


Subjects which are chewed and chewed upon for decades - all of them are. It's BORING. 70 years ago or so, if we had Internet, we'd have had the same discussions about Churchill, Eisenhauer or Stalin, Hitler and others.


And each one of us thought we were right in our opinions. We're all right and we're all wrong. We judge on our own individual perspective, and that's the reason why will NEVER agree.


And it's good like that. Means we're still individual-


Are we ? ......


BUT: The problem is that we occupy ourselves with stuff which does not concern ourselves and on which we have no power to act upon. What I mean is:


We forget OURSELVES and concentrate on stuff which is not OURS. What happens is that we consume news and stuff daily, we talk and discuss about it endlessly and don't notice that it doesn't change anything.


We can't change the world. We don't change other people's opinions - why should we actually ? No reason to do that, because in the END we all have the same simple desire: That we can live well. Means the BASICS are the same.


So why debate ? Because we want to take advantage.


And the bullshit of "we want that our children have it better" is pure hypocrisy. Sorry. It's only meant for survival and - the selfish thought that your kids might keep the memory of you going ;-)


We humans are good in projecting or own faults onto others to whitewash ourselves. Be it Jews, Blacks, Whites, Communists, Liberals, whatever. We prejudice to feel ourselves better, more important, more valuable.


And we apparently need that to improve our little self-confidence simply because we realize deep down that we're one of 8'000'000'000 on that planet.


A grain of sand. And each of us thinks he's got it all to him.


We should have more brains by now. Should...


But ALL of use should have. No matter if it concerns the US, Europe, Africa or the Middle East, or South America.




But education can prevent people from being exploited......hi "god" and other PR coups ;-)


Stone-Eater Added Jul 24, 2017 - 4:59pm
Something goes creepy on here. Articles get posted several times and editing is extremely difficult. Unpredictive :-(
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 24, 2017 - 5:16pm
Unintentionally funny stick figure graphic, lol. And I think we can make a difference in today’s global society. One person I know, who was essentially a no one was quoted on Twitter by a minor Republican then for the next week people in the mainstream media outlets were talking about it. If enough of us pound away on the right topics, in the right places people in power will notice and the voice of the people itself matters when it's strong enough. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 24, 2017 - 5:17pm
BTW being that I believe in both an afterlife and reincarnation I'm not interested in my kids or anyone remembering me this lifetime. The wellbeing of my kids and the world’s children is it's own goal to me. 
Stone-Eater Added Jul 24, 2017 - 5:31pm
Thanks for commenting, but...
the right topics, in the right places people in power will notice
Notice and get over with, except if they find a way to profit from it. You know how it works ;-)
What I would like to find out before I die is why some have empathy and some don't. No matter their upbringing.
EXPAT Added Jul 24, 2017 - 6:02pm
Stone. The only person I have any influence over is ME.
I humbly suggest you stop trying to tell others how they should live, think, believe, and work on improving yourself, with what little time you have left!
When you got on the plane from Africa; you were given some good advice!
Put on your own oxygen mask first! That applies to empathy also!
Stone-Eater Added Jul 24, 2017 - 6:17pm
I don't TELL anybody. I just try to ask to think. Otherwise you can tell that to anybody here why they should hate their presidents and lobbies, other religions and whatever and try to convert others to their opinions.
You got your opinion too, right ?
Stone-Eater Added Jul 24, 2017 - 6:20pm
We prejudice to feel ourselves better, more important, more valuable.
Even you and me, some more hidden, some more overt. But we all do. You too. So what ? What we can admit, we can try to correct...somewhat.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 24, 2017 - 7:14pm
Stone-Eater here is an example of a story that got little attention at first. From just a few bloggers here and there. But the more people talk about it, the more people talk about it and the effect snowballs. This is possible because of the internet and the global society. One voice can make a difference because it's more widely heard and amplifed than ever before. I don't tell others what to do or think but I will never stop trying to make a difference... 
“The Bana Alabed Psy-Op Proves The West Is Saturated In War Propaganda” https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/the-bana-alabed-psy-op-proves-the-west-is-saturated-in-war-propaganda-74c66df02990
Leroy Added Jul 24, 2017 - 9:30pm
We may be dumb as a brick, but we are still the smartest species.  Ok.  Maybe I am a species racist.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 24, 2017 - 10:19pm
Stone Eater,
Hate isn't logical.  Neither is war, but fear and insecurity lead to both.  I suspect lack of empathy is also based on insecurity, a denial of emotion and inability to receive as well as give love.
Also, empathy doesn't generally draw attention to itself, but the un-empathetic do, as your graphics show.  The worst-case examples of humanity make the news.  It seduces everyone into believing this is normal.
wsucram15 Added Jul 24, 2017 - 10:26pm
Leroy..we can think and speak, but I am not sure (in the greater scheme of things) that we really are the smarter of all the species.  However..what Tom said was actually funny.
 Discussion actually leads to solutions, maybe not for the world or in this forum, but it has happened SEF.  Escaping for a debate, whether to learn or just to debate is one step closer to understanding some of that 8,000,000,000,.
Michael B. Added Jul 24, 2017 - 10:39pm
"Humanity: Nature's weakest species of animal, yet one that wields the most power. A breed whose instincts have been displaced by intellect and whose intellect is totally devoid of intelligence. A mass of contradictions."
Boyd Rice
Sums it up pretty well to me, lol!
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 12:08am
Stone, you have a way of oversimplifying the human experience and then calling it some petty term.  This jacking yourself up on some elevated intellectual post.  
Could it be that perhaps your view of humanity is short of . . . intellectual value . . . when you fail to appreciate just how difficult, treacherous, and weird is the human experience.
Turn this around into a human appreciation post were we still discuss what seems are worn out topics in the light of modern era beliefs.  
But, according to you, we have figured everything out and we should just get past these trivial discussions and onto free love and flowers.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 1:38am
Faith does not equate to ignorance
Maybe not ignorance, but some kind of naivété. At least in my opinion. Closed eyes are more receptive for any mass belief. Be it the press or religion. But I don't want to talk religion here. Was just a hint. But thanks for recommending me to get a bit of education anyway. I'll look for a suitable teacher. Maybe I find one in India or at Microsoft.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 1:41am
oversimplifying the human experience and then calling it some petty term
Ah yeah ? I think on the bottom it's still eat or be eaten, but the envelope around it might seem sophisticated.
And the graphic shows that we haven't progressed too much in the vast majority, did we ?
EXPAT Added Jul 25, 2017 - 7:17am
Michael B. quotes Boyd Rice!
But I look at BOILED RICE, and think, what other species produces it's own food on the scale that man does? This year we think the # is 8B, in a few years it will be 10 or 20 Billion, if we don't slaughter a few billion along the way.
I think the dumb species, is really a sub species who think they know everything, making them live in a fantasy world.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 7:46am
Good point.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 7:48am
Well quoted. We would probably behave differently when our life span would be 800 years instead of 80....
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 8:34am
"You're a speciesist. "
That's the word I am looking for.
"Faith does not equate to ignorance, and wisdom can be found under any guise; religious, successful, homeless, you name it."
Tom, those are words of wisdom to live by.  I used to ocassionally work with a guy who everyone said was insane.  He was an uneducated black man.  He was a philosopher.  A wise man.  I learned a lot from him.  Then there was the hippie.  No one thought he had anything useful to offer.  He was one smart dude if you took the time to listen to him. 
Animals have these advantages over man: they never hear the clock strike, they die without any idea of death, they have no theologians to instruct them, their last moments are not disturbed by unwelcome and unpleasant ceremonies, their funerals cost them nothing, and no one starts lawsuits over their wills.  --Voltaire

It's the price we pay for intelligence.
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 8:38am
I think maybe more today than years gone by too many times the scum which just happens to be born with wealth and connections are able to rise quickly to the top.  There are a lot of smart people around, whether they are ever given a chance to make a difference is another matter.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 25, 2017 - 8:57am
We have reasoning minds, but we fail to prioritize and delay over trivial matters of negativity.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 8:58am
Voltaire was right. And animals probably don't get depressive and have heart attacks (unless they're not free).
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 9:18am
SEF WB is probably a microcosm of the world at large.  You have people like myself, SEF, Jeff, Donald, Jeanne, Donna, and many others (sorry if I missed your name) that are intelligent and can see the forest from the trees.  That doesn't mean that we will always agree.  Then you have the trolls that do nothing but post smart ass comments (I won't name them, we know who they are).  They never offer up original thought or an intelligent counter argument, just taunts. Those are the dummies you speak of.  
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 11:38am
I think also we are programmed not to want to face reality.  For example, people throw around the $20 trillion in US debt figure like its a few bucks.  They think we can actually repay that amount even though we haven't put a penny towards the principal in what 50 years.  We borrow money just to pay the interest and that is with rock bottom interest rates.  Most people don't seem to realize that much of our debt is being purchased by the Fed, which has the money printed so they can buy the debt.  Yet see how many people (including here on WB) see no problem.
Bill H. Added Jul 25, 2017 - 12:04pm
Human intelligence has evolved to the point of becoming very narrow. I like to use the term of "selective bandwidth" whereas we have become quite attuned in our ability to move thru life while acquiring more money and possessions, while at the same time loosing sight of who we are and how we fit into this wonderful machine.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 25, 2017 - 1:27pm
Plants do a better job of producing their own food from light, CO2 and water.  Photosynthesis is 100 percent efficient, so if we're measuring intelligence by ability to produce food, plants would be the most intelligent life forms on the planet.
Leroy, Since neither Voltaire nor we have any idea what animals think or perceive--or really what other people think or perceive--we live on the faith that humans are more intelligent than other species. Maybe our version of intelligence is over-rated, an anthropocentric assessment.  That would make "dumb" (Stone-Eater's term) also over-rated on the relative value scale.
Every solution brings its own set of problems.  I appreciate indoor plumbing, but flush toilets waste a lot of water, and waste is not handled well in our modern societies.  Point is, if we're so smart, why aren't we applying our big brains to cleaning up our own shit? Maybe that's what Stone-Eater is implying.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 1:52pm
Point is, if we're so smart, why aren't we applying our big brains to cleaning up our own shit? Maybe that's what Stone-Eater is implying.
You nailed it. Explanation: We're all egoists. Simple as that in the end. That's why I remarked in the article:
And the bullshit of "we want that our children have it better" is pure hypocrisy.
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:11pm
SEF as I said people are waking up.  However, I believe it might be too late to save the US/Western Europe capitalism model as we've known it for years.  Possibly only a total collapse will effect change. True many will suffer and probably die.  It might mean nuclear war. However, if we make it through (another) Dark Age the enlightenment will need the strong, wise, caring, and curious just like in past periods.
We think that because we have Smartphones, GPS, Microsoft Office and on and on that somehow we are immune from the faults our of ancestors?  Think again.  History repeats itself because no one ever thinks history can repeat itself. 
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:29pm
We will have to be FORCED by war or nature to understand that all that digital crap is bullshit. We don't need it. We simply use it to kill spare time.
I do, at least, when I'm in Switzerland. In Africa, I live. There I don't need that because there's enuff people to TALK to.
Social life in real. But until 2018 when I leave, that'll do. Better than TV anyway.
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:36pm
LoL!  So much self hate.  So much weighing of the human scales and finding humans on the wrong side of an "ethical" existence.  So, how can a corrupt species ever have the moral fortitude to even say they are immoral?  LOL!  Insanity...
Better inform mother nature that she actually created something she never intended to create.  OMG how funny.
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:37pm
SEF we want to think that because of technology we are smarter than our ancestors centuries ago.  We are not.  Man has always found means to distract itself.  500 years ago it was jousting or bows and arrows.  Today its tapping on an Iphone screen.  The games have gotten more fancy, that's all.
Eventually we are forced to recognize the human race is important not all of the trivia we come up with to relieve the boredom and tedious of living.  That is why we can have this conversation thousands of miles apart while someone else of lesser brains is amusing themselves with Angry Birds.  
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:43pm
We're contradictory. Illogical. We see what we do wrong but we keep doing it - ever since. Does that speak of intelligence ? 
Not even a "god" in the sky succeeded to make us animals "human", means, don't kill but cooperate.
So what do YOU think is a favorable "human" attribute which would allow the survival of our species in the long run ? Carrying on like that or genetic reprogramming (by us.....) ? LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:44pm
I sit in a plane only 10 km up there and see how important we are....;-)
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:50pm
Remember 500 years ago the King and Queen will hold "Court."  A bunch of self indulged privilege nitwits would sit at their feet and kiss their ass.  There was the Court Jester to provide entertainment.
Not much has changed.  We have Donald Trump and the modern day nitwits holding "Court" on MSNBC, Fox or CNN.  The "reporters" are the Court Jester.  The only difference was that in 1500 when the King or Queen needed to take a poop they would squat down in a chamber pot or went down to the nearest river.  Today they sit on a well apportioned toilet seat with the softness of toilet tissue.  
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:56pm
Good comparison ;-)
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 2:59pm
Stone,  "So what do YOU think is a favorable "human" attribute which would allow the survival of our species in the long run ?"
I'm not arrogant enough to even make judgments like that. 
What does history say about it?  Humans 1.0 are temporary.  99% of all species have gone extinct so far.  
Human 2.0 . . . I have no idea what the future holds or what the universe sees as having "merited existence".
You'd be best, in my opinion, to find the good on this watery dirtball while you are still able and living.  There is much to see and it is quite a wonder.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 3:13pm
I agree. And let me tell you that I've spent most of my life on all continents except the half-one South America. And I still haven't seen enough. Why ? Because I had to work where I was at ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 3:14pm
BTW: I don't see Europe as a continent. It's like believing that Columbus discovered the US.
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 3:20pm
Not to go too deep here.  But I think what you are feeling is what many are feeling . . . increasing conflict between humans due to population growth is outweighing a peaceful appreciation of our existence.  The social pressure is increasing on us individually and collectively.
It doesn't mean humans are bad . . . it may mean we are in for some inevitable correction soon.  Duck and cover!
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 3:24pm
I will be far away from Europe. But I'm sure you're right. Although there won't be a place to hide. Here I'd be evaporated, and in Africa I'd be massacred by a mob which will only see WHITE - and slash.....;-)
In extreme conditions amygdala shows up in full swing.
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 3:30pm
Eventually there will be an economic reset.  The system has fallen to hocus pocus prosperity, unthinkable levels of debt and endless lies. 20 years ago who would have thought of negative interest rates or central banks buying worthless bonds at book value to prop up failed banks. Some of us will learn to adapt live in this new world the way in which settlers did in the New America of the 1600s and 1700s.
We've had dark ages and ages of enlightenment since the dawn of time.  In previous dark ages people stopped thinking and relied upon wizardry, today the non thinkers use Excel.  They couldn't think themselves out of a wet paper bag.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:08pm
Thank you. But unfortunately the people who know are either poor, unemployed or simply powerless. I see it here in Europe. The best-informed people, and the ones who really have empathy are either unemployed or chosen not to join the rat race.
I work for and with them every day here in Switzerland. I used to be one of them before I found my new home and work in and for Africa.
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:15pm
Aatqa, "The increasing emphasis on STEM fields has enforced a lack of education in the arts and social sciences. "
Wow!  We should paint nice pretty pictures to a new and better society.
I never thought of that before.  Revolutionary indeed!  It has never been tried before.  STEM disciplines have only created widgets and gadgets for the last 100 years that are toys for humans.  Let's create something useful!
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:22pm
"Better inform mother nature that she actually created something she never intended to create.  OMG how funny."
Well said, William.
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:24pm
If we are so dumb, how do we become intelligent?  Or is there no hope?  We are just the dumbest species on the planet and we might as well get used to it.
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:28pm
The system rewards compliance.  In government its you can change a few things on the margin but wholesale change?  Talking about it will just get you bounced out of the club.
Business?  Please, make your little spreadsheet and consult your app if you don't know.  Remember Steve Jobs, the father of modern technology?  Back in the late 70s and early 80s to anyone that would listen he talked about a world in which technology was used everyday by people;s personal lives.  Remember back at that time computers were only found in certain workplaces.  Computers were often looked at with ill ease and programmers as nerdy kind of outcasts. People thought Jobs a nut.  No one was going to spend their free time pecking away on a key board.  
Now this was before endless spreadsheets, apps and software programs.  There was no "big data."  Jobs only had his vision and gut feeling to go on yet he transformed the way in which we live.
A Steve Jobs today would be ignored.  He at best would be working in the technology sector at the local Best Buy.  His vision would be laughed at by those professing big data tells and solves all (it certainly called our election amazingly well last year.)
Critical thinking has been dying a slow death.  It will probably make a comeback when we realize the machines don't always get it right because machines are dumber than the people that program them.
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:36pm
"Right?! STEM education is great, but we need just as much representation in the other fields. "
My class started out with 239 out of a few thousand.  It finished with 39.  Few people make it through STEM.  I don't think we have to worry about representation from other fields.  There are plenty of art and English majors.  In fact, that is the problem.  Too many kids go to college to either study something, anything, or to study what they want, rather that what is required to earn a living.  We don't have enough STEM majors.
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:40pm
Leroy, Righto!
A STEM education curred me of most irrational thinking . . . i said MOST.  
I only wish 90% of humans could have the same education.  The other 10% can paint pretty pictures and dream of future Jetson societies of which they would no clue how they were created.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:44pm
Might I shyfully ask, as a Swiss mountain goat, what STEM is ? ;-)
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:46pm
Not all kids can be STEM candidates. And if we pushed everyone towards STEM like we did a couple decades ago with law we'd have an oversupply of STEM graduates.  Yes, young people need to have a much better understanding of how their major will or will not pay off once they graduate.  
One of the biggest issue with higher education is what is its role? Talk to most professors and they don't think it should be about solely preparing someone for a job.  However, the reality is that we see college as the stepping stone for a good job, as rare as that is becoming.
College used to be a place for the rich to become further "developed" It was assumed they would already have a job waiting for them but needed that extra edge for more advanced life duties.  It wasn't until the after WW2 when college was being opened to the masses presumably as a path of social mobility that college became more connected towards establishing a vocation.  
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:49pm
Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics.
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 4:51pm
Aatqa, Take a look at any high school, and most students will be going into STEM fields because of the increasing demand
Do you realize how many students in HS graduate with any courses in Calculus?
According to a large-scale transcript analysis by the US Department of Education [1], 14.1% of graduating seniors had taken a class that was called "calculus."
Calculus is a prerequisite course now for enrolling in STEM programs at most major universities.
14% of graduating seniors.  And only 26% of that 14% will actually make through a STEM program in college.
So that is about 3% of graduating high school students will become engineers and scientists.
Where are your references?
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 5:00pm
So the question is what's the demand limit for engineers and scientists.  If we increased that to 15% would some of them be forced to take orders at the local Chilis or sell computers at Best Buy?
Talk to a lot of very successful older business people and ask what their major was.  You get answers like English Lit, History and Modern Communications.  There was a time in this country when a college degree got you to the door and then it was all you from there on out. Its how a English Lit major became a C level officer.  
We've assume that someone without a college degree is a total loser and that only degrees that are worth anything are from Ivy League schools in certain fields.  Sadly what we have gotten too often are educated morons.  I deal with them everyday.  They couldn't pen a decent article here on WB if I put a gun to their head.  I'm not sure my CFO can really understand a financial statement, despite his supposedly pedigree education from some fancy French college.  
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 5:03pm
"Overemphasizing STEM education just gives a lack of political knowledge and critical thinking."
Get that William?  We lack political knowledge and critical thinking skills.  We know nothing about history, philosophy, and art.
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 5:11pm
I see it Leroy.  The reason why more STEM is needed.  Although, I'm not sure how to fix stupid.  Deny them food and water?  Just kidding . . . mostly.
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 5:13pm
I should have said, "Deny stupid people good food and clean water which we engineers created"
My god that would be true justice!
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 5:14pm
At least we know what we don't know.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 25, 2017 - 5:19pm
My name is Friedli (German = friedlich = peaceful) not Frideli. So language and spelling are not STEM then LOL
But most call me just Stone.
Joke aside:
STEM is ok, we humans are curious. We need to develop. But maybe we should add another part which seems to be lost: Empathy and openness for lost feelings. Ok. there's no PROFIT - that's why.
But do we live on profit ? Superficially yes. But one day when we all get a collective depression, motivation and curiosity dies off. Because we're still part of nature. 
*Sigh*. Sorry. I'm neither a vegan nor a religioso. But that's out of any human-made definition. It's a fact.
Homo erectus survived about 500'000 years here. Australopithecuses made it even longer. We've made barely 100'000 as a homo species. 
I'm dead sure we won't last that long. We want too much too soon. Evolution is not ready for that speed....
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 5:34pm
Yep Leroy
I have to take this idea to the next level...ha
When engineers rule the world:
---The society of engineers became directors of this new society. 
---In order for 18-year-olds to buy a cell phone or computer, they would have to pass a basic course in mechanical design and electrical theory.
---In order to buy food and water themselves, they have to pass a year of high-school physics.
---If people want a job, they have to pass high school trig.
Oh, and if anyone marries an engineer, they must always bow respect each time their mate enters the room.
Engineers are the unspoken heroes of modern society.  I doubt that could be said enough.
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 5:42pm
And, we would make great political leaders, applying logic and reason to all decisions.  No more massive debts that will never be repaid.  We would live within our means and ensure prosperity to future generations.
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:12pm
No medical doctors as leaders . . . they are still just "practicing" their profession.  And most are legalized drug dealers.
Leroy Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:18pm
And they just bury their mistakes.
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:28pm
SEF - I think there is a zeitgeist. We all contribute to it. Together we can change the world. Each one of us puts into that zeitgeist.
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:35pm
The truth is that the jobs for the average person that used to provide a middle class living are either gone or no longer pay to maintain a middle class living. Take example my Uncle Norm.  For 30 years he drove a bread truck.  He put two kids through college and always gave his family a nice vacation.  He had a nice home. My Aunt worked as a seamstress inspector, that job would now be gone (her old plant was closed and relocated to Mexico).  Today that job of my Uncle would probably be part time and never enough to raise a family,
Not everyone can be an engineer, doctor or scientist.  Should we say only those that go to Ivy League schools with fancy degrees get a shot at the good life?  
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:51pm
George, "Not everyone can be an engineer, doctor or scientist.  Should we say only those that go to Ivy League schools with fancy degrees get a shot at the good life?"
Leroy and I were (mostly me) were just joking about the engineering society thing.  It was to point out how unappreciated and valuable STEM professions really are.  Everything you eat, use, communicate with, drive, and drive on was invented by engineers/scientists.  A few exceptions.
Engineers really do create the civilization in which you live.  The amusement is if we could then control the politics and "motivate" people to learn about the creators of this civilization and why it exists at all.
George N Romey Added Jul 25, 2017 - 6:59pm
William too many people do not understand just how difficult it is to maintain a modern infrastructure.  Try having a conversation with someone about our air traffic control system and they will just look at you with a blank stare.  They think airplanes just go up and fly.  
William Stockton Added Jul 25, 2017 - 7:24pm
Agreed George.  I was a pilot once.  There is an increasing challenge to get people to appreciate the intelligence and expertise that keep society running and improving.
Politicians are the only legitimately evil employees on the planet.  Artists provide a necessary wonderful escape.  But I could live without either of those.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 26, 2017 - 5:04am
Basically you're right about the STEM - engineer thing, I think. But don't forget that we humans have an emotional side which we need to live out too - and arts are perfect for that. Balance.
Politicians on the other hand are good for nothing except maybe diplomatic relations. But these can be done through art or engineering too. So no real need for them. Away with the Donald and all those other occupying the WH LOL
opher goodwin Added Jul 26, 2017 - 9:14am
George - you are right. Those jobs are gone. We need more teachers, social workers, doctors, nurses, artists, dancers, musicians and sculptors. We need more taxes from the ones who are profiting from automation and globalisation to pay for a fairer, more caring society. We need less inequality and to value creativity and carers.
Leroy Added Jul 26, 2017 - 10:42am
From those according to their ability.  To those according to their need.  (If I can paraphrase a bit)
Stone-Eater Added Jul 26, 2017 - 1:37pm
Ability can be entrained.  And need has to be explained as what it is: Need. Not DESIRE.
William Stockton Added Jul 26, 2017 - 2:31pm
As the production machines take over . . . the humans fight amongst themselves.  muahahaha!
George N Romey Added Jul 26, 2017 - 3:11pm
Opher one way or another we are going to be forced to rework the way we work.  My sad feeling is that we will take the negative way. Lots of poverty and despair leading to significant social unrest before it changes. I wouldn't venture a guess at how long that might take but I might be dead before something comes out on the other side.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 26, 2017 - 6:25pm
You really need to see another part of the planet, I was at the same point as you. Not everywhere "Western values" are essential ;-)
Cullen Kehoe Added Jul 26, 2017 - 8:50pm
This is the reason blogs exist. To discuss politics, religion, ideas. These boring topics. 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 29, 2017 - 11:43am
Opher G sez: artists, dancers, musicians and sculptors.-We need to pay our artists and musicians and poets, not "Here's your $20 for the night.  Now get your crap off the stage in 5 minutes, or it will get pushed into the orchestra pit..."
Doug Plumb Added Jul 29, 2017 - 2:22pm
We are not a dumb species, we just forget that questioning government is what responsible members of a free society do because this is necessary to maintain freedom.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 29, 2017 - 2:26pm
re "but flush toilets waste a lot of water, and waste is not handled well in our modern societies. "
When we flush toilets none of that water gets wasted. Shit eating bacteria have a field day. They would worship us as their gods if they could. The water eventually gets clean and used the way water does. None of it dissappears.
john guzlowski Added Aug 1, 2017 - 3:00pm
We are a dumb species for a fact.
We have a love of killing built into us.
It's what makes us human.
Some God ought to make a commandment that no killing will be tolerated!
john guzlowski Added Aug 2, 2017 - 10:41am
Michael, sounds like a plan!
john guzlowski Added Aug 2, 2017 - 10:43am
Michael, regarding your question to Stone, what are you doing to make the world a better place?  
Do you do volunteer work?  
Social activism?