Does Trump hate Transgender people?

The news sure makes it sound like Trump hates transgenders, after all he tweeted something about banning them from the military...  ahhh but I think people need to read past the headlines.  Trump uses Twitter to blow off steam and says lots of things that only hint at whats really going on.

 

In this case Trump is justifiably upset about the new politically correct cost our military has recently started incurring since Obama changed the rules and allowed those with sexual issues like transgenders to openly server in the military.  As things are now a young transgender individual can sign up for a few year hitch and then demand gender reassignment surgery, after they enlist, spend the good part of a year recovering, and cost our military $50,000 to $100,000, just for the surgery.  For God sake Obama made signing up for the military the easiest way to get taxpayers to pay transgenders for their surgery including all the time off.

 

In this case I think Trump might have a point, if you're transgender and want surgery, I think you need to do it on your own, not sign up for the military so you can get the surgery and the time off with full support for free.

 

 

Comments

Patrick Writes Added Jul 26, 2017 - 9:32pm
In the eyes of some, the government is there to right all the wrongs of life, no matter what the price...metaphorically and literally. (I view the vast majority of trans folks as mentally ill, personally.)
 
Many of us mere mortals view life as it is, and simply try to move through as best we can. Where obvious injustices are happening, they should be stopped. But trigger warnings and micro-aggressions, you have to put on your big person pants and deal with it. That is not the role of government to keep you safe in a protective bubble. Or give you everything for free. 
William Stockton Added Jul 26, 2017 - 10:44pm
Nice one Riley.
Micahel Dolan Added Jul 27, 2017 - 1:26am
Born with a penis-you are a man-born with a vagina you are a woman.
Tubularsock Added Jul 27, 2017 - 1:37am
Riley Brown, you are really rather humorous here about military spending.
 
The military spends five times as much on Viagra to make their malfunctional dicks hard than the projected costs of any transgender troops medical care.
 
And really an infinitesimal amount even if EVERY transgender solider went for full scale medical care compared the $6.5 trillion dollars that has been “lost” by the military according to the new Department of Defense Inspector General’s report, released last week.
 
So get real, Orange-Tweet can’t even get his own tiny hand to be held by his own plastic wife. Let alone any other bodily protrusion.
 
No Orange-Tweet has to blow off steam because he can’t find his own little smoke stack!
George N Romey Added Jul 27, 2017 - 3:36am
Should the military pay for sexual re-assignment surgery? Of course not.
EXPAT Added Jul 27, 2017 - 8:06am
A well thought out, comprehensive, argument Riley! It is about being physically able to perform the function when you enter service, not can you be transformed, or transgendered to perform the job at Tax Payer expense.
People who are overweight are rejected, you have to be in a certain age group, and physically and mentally capable. Why should sexuality be any different?
There was a stupid comment about Viagra posted here. Well 90% of the ED drugs prescribed and covered by Medical insurance are for RETIREEES and dependents. This is a medical condition developed AFTER entering service. Do we want to talk about birth control pills, Tampons and hormone therapy for women in the military?
And what if the soldier decides the surgery was not a good idea, should he/she be able to get reversal surgery?
Should Drug addicts be able to join the service, and then demand Rehab or Methadone.
This PC social context for Military service has to stop! There is too much at stake, mostly lives in Combat.
EXPAT Added Jul 27, 2017 - 8:24am
Riley. A bit off subject, but I live in Thailand. And we have many successful, beautiful transgender people living happy lives here. They are called Katoey, Lady Boys. The Military recently created a third sex category, to accommodate Draftees who have been transformed. The Military will not pay for elective surgery.
We can't have beautiful women sleeping with men, can we!
MillionDollarBonus Added Jul 27, 2017 - 8:44am
I respectfully disagree, Riley. Trump has a long, documented history of transphobia, and this is just one ore piece of evidence. Another notable piece of evidence is his policy of repealing Obamacare, which is putting millions of trans lives at risk:
 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/why-trumpcare-puts-trans-health-on-life-support
George Kocan Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:14am
The accusation of "hate" is always an attempt to change the subject.  So, rather than discuss the issue of "transgender" and what it means, the discussion shifts to emotional states, where the accused feels compelled to deny that he hates anyone, blah, blah, blah.  The discussion never actually discusses the merits of hate.  It seems to me, that if hatred is wrong, then inciting hatred is wrong.  Therefore, accusing someone of hate incites hatred and is wrong.  Oop!  There, I done it too.  Nevertheless, the transgender person has a personality disorder.  It is a mental health problem, and surgery is not a cure.  Furthermore, it is a symptom of a social disorder which involves the rejection of reality and replacing it with a fictional reality by a process of "social construction."  That is, if various social institutions agree that something is real, it is real.  Best analogy comes from baseball.  The pitcher's ball determines nothing.  The umpire's call determines everything.  If Justice Ruth Ginsberg, Barak Obama, Hillary Clinton, the New York Times, CNN tv and their friends say that Bruce Jenner is a woman, then, he really is a woman.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:58am
Riley,  I have no problem with transgenders serving, they already do!
 
However, I have  a problem with the government paying for the surgery.  To be honest, I didnt know that  Obama put the  cost on  the military, but not surprised.
Autumn Cote Added Jul 27, 2017 - 11:41am
Why no interest in engaging your commenters?
Dino Manalis Added Jul 27, 2017 - 5:30pm
Trump probably feels sorry for them.  Don't ask, don't tell should be reinstated in the military to avoid discrimination and unrest, the focus ought to be on keeping America safe.
Tubularsock Added Jul 27, 2017 - 5:47pm
Oh Dino, Tubularsock would recommend "DON'T GO!" Find something real to do with one's life. When we have an imbecile as president what's left to protect?
 
We have already LOST.
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:06pm
Tublarstock, you said and I quote, "The military spends five times as much on Viagra to make their malfunction dicks hard than the projected costs of any transgender troops medical care.", I'd like to see your documentation but will tell you right up front I think you just make up your supporting documentation.  Please provide links so I can apologize for accusing you of making up your facts.
 
I gota say I don't think the measure of right or wrong has anything to do with how much it costs, and joining the military so you can milk taxpayers out of money isn't right even if you're the only one doing it.
 
The army doesn't exist to provide a cheap way for individuals to get sex change operations without personally having to pay for them or having to support themselves for the better part of a year while they can't do their regular job, they exist to defend our country.  They should be in the business of hiring people who can help do that for a reasonable amount of money, and no one who will predictability take more than half a year off and consume $50-$100 K of their defense budget is a good buy for taxpayers.
 
I have to ask, do you know of any private company that would hire someone who told them they expected the company to give them similar benefits?  I don't know any health plans that are fully paid for and cover wage related losses, but YOU want the military to do that for trangenders because... "it won't happen that often"
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:09pm
EXPAT I agree, the military needs to try and give us the best bang for our tax dollar, and as long as they can fill their ranks with other people who do the job well at a much lower cost, that is what I think they owe the taxpayers.  This is not discrimination, this is smart business.
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:11pm
Million Dollar Bonus, I strongly disagree but perhaps we'll just have to disagree on this one because we obviously come from different places.  I agree Trump tweets stupid things all the time, it's his version of muttering to himself, but when it comes to LGBTQ, his track record for doing the right think is pretty darn good from a LGBTQ point of view.  About all he doesn't do is brag about it.
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:14pm
Bill Kamps, I agree.  I really don't care who serves, the military is big enough to accommodate everyone, but no private company pays for their employees to have sex change operations and neither should our military.
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:16pm
Dino, I think that was the whole idea of "don't ask don't tell".  The military is supposed to be all about protecting and serving your country.
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:17pm
Autumn,  I have to be in town and near my computer to respond.  I suspect very few posters are retired, I sure am not.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Jul 28, 2017 - 9:05am
Haven't seen you in awhile, I haven't visiting or writing much, been pretty busy at work.  Anyways
 
I don't think Trump likes Transgender or maybe he doesn't really care but knows that those who voted for him don't like transgendered. Me personally, I really like Transgenders.
 
Concerning transgenders in the military.  Its a much bigger and completed deal that requires more debate and less finger pointed.
 
To my disappointment I shared with a liberal friend of mine:  One of my shipmates, he's was a big muscular black man.  He comes around the corner and says to me, "did you see anybody" I replied no.  He was very angry and says that if he catches who ever it is touching him while he's trying to sleep, he will kill them.  She thought that story was amusing.  But it isn't funny.  If a woman was being inappropriately touched while she was trying to sleep it would be an outrage.  Especially in the military when you don't get enough sleep as it is.  Military personal live in tight quarters, and that does not always allow for much privacy for anything.  This is not so in the civilian world where no one will ever be required by their government to share their room with someone of the apposite sex or even half the opposite sex.  If a man is gay, then obviously he would become sexually aroused being able to shower with a dozen or more naked men.  These things interfere with military discipline and moral.  This is a problem that nobody wants to pay attention to. They just skip this and throw up that racist/sexist red flag without any further discussion or consideration.  That can be considered narrow mindedness with prejudice of thought, that is not liberal and anybody who carries that liberal flag should them self be liberal in thought and take everything into consideration.
 
The other issue with transgender is that if it is allowed, for some reason, if a man joins the military and later realized that he should have been born a woman.  The military is not to throw him out which might be a good thing, but now the military is now required to make that man a woman.  This costs the military man hours and a great deal of money, and again, a military discipline issue.  A man is expected to go out and kill people and keep himself alive.  Right now would be a great time to realize you're a woman, so they can pull you out of there and take care of your sex change so you don't have to do all that killing and protecting yourself stuff.  The civilian world and the military are two different things, much more complicated than just pointing fingers and calling other people names. 
 
Billy Roper Added Jul 28, 2017 - 10:27am
No, Trump doesn't hate transgender people. Not only did he shake Michelle Obama's hand, he also made her exempt from having to serve in the military!
Tubularsock Added Jul 28, 2017 - 12:29pm
Riley Brown, Tubularsock doesn’t have to make up spending waste by the U.S. military. It is the way they do business. The “lost” 6.5 TRILLION DOLLARS you never questioned but the small change involved in transgender treatment in caparison you have an issue with and you need documentation?
 
If you are so concerned about wasted military spending you would be overwhelmed if you really cared.
 
Your ax to grind is with transgender people NOT military spending! And to top that these so called costs are just “estimates”. They are not proven “real cost”. They are “what if” costs.
 
So here are two links for you so you don’t think that Tubularsock has to make up these numbers:
 
http://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/26/us-military-viagra-transgender-medical-care/

http://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-transgender-medical-comparison-2017-7

Now as for “joining the military so you can milk taxpayers out of money” also applies to those individuals that join the military so as to receive a college education .... correct?
For that is just a “cheap way” for individuals to get an education on the backs of the taxpayer!
 
And finally, Tubularsock would ask you Riley, do you know any private company that would tell the Pentagon that their services will have a cost overrun of several millions of dollars and receive contracts anyway expecting the American pay to pay more and more and more?
 
Well, try Lockheed-Martin, Halliburton Corporation, BAE, Northrop Grumman, Exxon Corporation, Kellogg, Brand and Root ......... ad nauseum!
 
The military is just another expensive con game and those that are dumb enough to “die for their country” have just wasted their lives to only really protect the corporate elite. CANNON FODDER FOR THE RICH! Another god fuck america moment!
John G Added Jul 28, 2017 - 6:06pm
Yep. The pentagon is the world's biggest corporate welfare programme. 
Snouts at the trough.
Shane Dean Added Jul 28, 2017 - 6:39pm
One thing no one wants to mention is that through the long process of gender reassignment, most servicemembers won't be able to perform the rigors of their job.  So their is the loss of money of them being paid while not working.  There is also the cost of morale of their unit while one member is not doing their job.  There is the loss of value invested in training someone who want be doing their job for a long time.  
 
In addition to this, no one mentions there are many preexisting medical issues for which you can be denied service.  This falls squarely in thay category.  
 
The only reason the military should pay for any medical procedure is if your service caused a condition.  Being in the military would not cause one to need to change your gender.
 
Thank you for taking an objective opinion on this.
Riley Brown Added Jul 29, 2017 - 11:54am
Minister Peaceful Poet, gay people don't automatically get turned on just because they are showering with someone they find attractive, they have to be in the right mood to begin with and a military shower room isn't exactly romance city.
 
That said, perverts who touch inappropriately are not welcome in my world regardless of their sexual orientation and I would expect the same in the military.  People with problems need to keep their problems to themselves.
 
Personally I think our government has an obligation to offer taxpayers the best bang for their tax money, and I'd say that should extend into the military. There is no reason to accept people who require higher amounts of compensation, or infrastructure improvements if they can recruit enough people who don't and still get the job done well.  The military is so large they can segregate to provide opportunities to women, but I think they should do it in their own units.
 
In environments where they are smaller and can't like fire departments, I think they should restrict the jobs to men because the cost of not doing that is nu-necessary and has to be paid for by taxpayers.
Riley Brown Added Jul 29, 2017 - 12:08pm
Tubularstock bad behavior in one area does not excuse bad behavior in another area. 
 
If you want transgender sex change operations funded by taxpayers so badly, including providing food and housing for them while they recover, why bother to make them join the military at all?
 
Oh by the way, if the transgender person were to decide they didn't like the change, (as many do), do you also think the military should be required to pay for a similar round of medical care to try and reverse what they previously paid for?  Or... do you too have limits in your patience?
 
By the way, offering incentives like educational funding is just part of what it's taken to get smart people to joint, it's part of the pay package and has no effect on their performance.  Many companies pay educational benefits but none I've ever heard of would hire someone and immediately give them 8 months off of fully paid leave and a free $80,000 sex change operation.
 
Think what that does to the cost to "employ" that person.  If they have a 2 year enlistment they spend almost half of it not being able to work at all, and receive about $4 in benefits for ever dollar they earn by being available to do their job.
Riley Brown Added Jul 29, 2017 - 12:09pm
Shane Dean, you're spot on, thanks for commenting.
Billy Roper Added Jul 29, 2017 - 12:26pm
Have you ever noticed that Maxine Waters and James Brown are never seen in the same place together? I mean, not even now that he's dead?
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Jul 29, 2017 - 12:45pm
Riley, the military works best when boys and girls are separated, it prevents a whole slew of romantic problems from occurring that could get people killed in that line of business.  Israel discovered that.  I think the Kurds do it right, they keep them separated and the male and the female units have their own different missions.  When you throw gays and transgenders in their, it can get confusing.
 
I have to be honest with you.  I didn't even read your article I just posted my comment and then I read your article, I apologize, you did a very good job and I agree with you.  
 
There are gays/lesbians and I imagine transgenders who served in the military honorably.  But they served under the don't ask don't tell, or I'm going to lie so you'll let me in policy.  I got no problem with that.  We all have right to our privacy, and concerning what goes on in our head and our heart is our own business, the government can't own it.  But when you're serving with a bunch of people who know that you are gay or transgender, its a whole different ball game, bad things can happen, it may not be good and it should not be allowed.  
 
I don't think women should serve in the military, I don't think gays or lesbians should serve in the military. I don't think transgenders should serve in the military.  And you know what, I don't think men should either.  I don't think anybody should.  If we successfully prevent a group of people from joining the military, we have saved some lives.  What our country does is wrong, and we don't need to be supporting it in any way shape or form.
 
But here is the deal, if our country was ever really attacked by an enemy and we had to fight to protect our own home.  All these rules will go right out the window and every able bodied person, man, woman or child will fight and nobody will think twice about it. That's a fact.  
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jul 29, 2017 - 2:46pm
Riley Brown, it is about time to actually have FACTS.  The New York Time is a highly Democratic leaning publication that is noted for its highly political articles and questionable decisions including not reporting on Hitler's Holocaust.  
 
Basically today  and in the past the military does not and has not let openly transgender people into the military.  Obama basically said that if your transgender and meet the requirement for active duty for your biological sex, women and men have different physical fitness requirements and corresponding assignment restrictions,  and joined the military without informing them you can stay when they find out.  This is the same requirement for gay members of the military.
 
This is New York Times time line:
 
May 2014 Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said that the military should “continually” review its prohibition on transgender people in the armed forces.
“Every qualified American who wants to serve our country should have an opportunity if they fit the qualifications and can do it,” Mr. Hagel.
July 2015 Ashton B. Carter, announced that the Pentagon would move to allow transgender people to serve openly, making good on Mr. Hagel’s promise of continual review.
In announcing the plan, Mr. Carter acknowledged the many transgender people who were already serving in the military.
“We have transgender soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines — real, patriotic Americans — who I know are being hurt by an outdated, confusing, inconsistent approach that’s contrary to our value of service and individual merit,” he said.
May 2016: Mr. Carter and carried out by the RAND Corporation found that allowing transgender people to serve openly would “cost little and have no significant impact on unit readiness.”
The study estimated that 2,450 active-duty members were transgender and predicted that around 65 would seek to transition each year. It estimated that the cost to the Pentagon of those procedures would be $2.9 million to $4.2 million a year.
“Effective immediately, transgender Americans may serve openly,” Mr. Carter announced, on June 30, 2016. “They can no longer be discharged or otherwise separated from the military just for being transgender.”
November 2016 (after Trump won) worry
May 2017 Two transgender cadets — one at West Point, the other at the Air Force Academy — were denied their commissions because of a loophole in the Pentagon’s transgender policy, which officials said only covered active-duty service members.
June 2017 Jim Mattis, delayed a plan to allow transgender recruits to join the military.
According to a Pentagon spokeswoman, the delay would allow service leaders to “review their accession plans and provide input” as they consider the impact of transgender recruits on “the readiness and lethality of our forces.”
July 2017 “After consultation with my generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. military,” he wrote in a series of tweets. Ref: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/us/politics/trans-military-trump-timeline.html?mcubz=2
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 30, 2017 - 9:30am
Riley -
 
Well said.  Kept in its proper perspective the military should be viewed through a different lens. The only consideration which merits concern with regard to the military is whether or not they can effectively perform the mission. Anything else is for debate in the civilian universe. The taxpayers are paying for the Green Berets, not the Queen Berets.
Robin the red breasted songster Added Jul 30, 2017 - 2:37pm
To answer the question in the title:  No I don't think Trump has any opinion on transgender or gay folk.   But does have a very keen eye for what type of statements will play well with his voters...
 
Incidentally, I believe that a large number of the most successful military commanders have turned out to be gay.  An even higher number of successful guerrilla military commanders were gay historically.   In ancient Greece, homosexual relations were seen as normal in the armed forces as there were no women around...
 
I don't think that someone's sexual orientation affects their ability to fight.   However those who have fought against the odds to achieve high command, such as homosexuals, probably had to have even greater levels of talent than their heterosexual rivals.  That's just the way it is.   You see pretty much the same thing with women in certain branches of business... there are few of them, but those that have made it have had to overcome all sorts of prejudice and, as a result, are both bloody good at what they do and determined fighters.
 
I would also say that, in the typical roles that a modern army has to undertake, there is little room for testosterone charged, unthinking grunts.  
John G Added Jul 30, 2017 - 7:02pm
Your culture warrior fringe is all Trump has left. He has to fire them up on wedge issues like this.
Saint George Added Jul 30, 2017 - 11:45pm
John G is the only "culture warrior" on this board.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Jul 31, 2017 - 12:01am
Tom:  "but they aren't exactly equal. "  I think what you meant to say is they aren't exactly the same.  
Women have children and its an honorable thing but in our overpopulated comercialized society that has lost its importance, and killing always being romanticized by Hollywood.  Women may have lost their place and are just looking to fit in.  
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 31, 2017 - 11:30pm
Very eye opening. I want to change from Black to White to gain some White  privilege, join the military have taxpayers pay for the $200,000 bleach job.  Of course this is costing the taxpayers too much. Solution: Pay $400,000 for dead dick Whitemen to purchase Viagra to stop Black men from joining the military to become White. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Aug 1, 2017 - 10:31pm
@Dannl. "Something else, Rupert; are all you negros enchanted by  the male protrusion below the belly button? I notice you sure get around to that mention in your articles." You guys are hurting my feelings. I is not good at picking cotton.
 
It was White men need to keep White women away from Blackmen that led to the racial divide in this country.  Blacks and White indentured servants were getting it on. Whitemen were getting it on with enslaved Blacks. So White women of privileged and class wanted some of the Black action and went hard for it. White men enraged at this changed laws to keep their women out of the negro straw beds. As hard as they could flog them White women were not letting go of the monsters. I sort of trivialize things, but believe me, I am correct. It was in the 60s that the Supreme Court overturned the White enacted law preventing Blacks and Whites from marrying.  
 
On the matter of wife swapping. The White Christians and Jews had a little tiff on the matter of monsters,  Christians has a problem with Jews and circumcision of their monsters because they saw them as the devil wishing to tear the asses of fair white maidens up.
 
Riley Brown Added Aug 10, 2017 - 7:42pm
Tom, your comments make me wonder if you're a kid. 
 
You obviously enjoy offending people and giggle at their responses, (from a safe distance) and I don't know many adults who didn't grow bored with that form of entertainment about the time they got out of Jr. High and started wanting to impress the opposite sex.
 
I sometimes like to play with other people but never in such a childish way, (or so I tell myself).