Crowdsharing Investigative Reporting (CIR)

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Have you heard about this yet?  Probably not as this term is just months old.  And it will change investigative reporting and journalism forever.


CIR is a brand new idea that is taking root in social media.  


When 20 to 1000 citizens collaborate together to investigate a topic, individual, or event, share their information and sources . . . you have CIR.

These groups meet privately in virtual rooms and collaborate on theories, information, priorities, and new leads.  Members rarely meet in person . . . not necessary.


The big differences between general social media, mostly random, and CIR is that CIR is mission & team-based.  It has a single hypothesis at the beginning of its mission.  As the team finds more information and makes more contacts in their investigation, the team gets larger and theories become more defined.  Secured databases and secured networks are employed.  Information and communication tightly controlled.

These can be well-organized investigation teams and they are made up of volunteers dedicated to uncovering the truth.  CIR groups have a team-lead to ensure the group remains focused while funds pour in from private donations.


These groups are starting to pop up now.  One of the more motivated groups is a team headed by a citizen journalist, George Webb.  Their mission . . . investigating DNC corruption.  Their first success was exposing some new details of the Awan brothers.  Shortly after they revealed these details, Imran Awan was arrested by the FBI on July 25th of this year.  He was attempting to flee the country after he had learned from the Daily Caller News Foundation that his arrest was imminent.  Imran was the computer specialist hired by the DNC as Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s IT aid.  Imran, since 2004, had been paid five million dollars for his services to House Democrats.  Apparently, the FBI and CIA is either one step behind this CIR team, or had been sitting on the information and were forced to act shortly after the CIR information was revealed.  The details are private, but this CIR group has claimed to be the motivation for Imran’s arrest.  These groups are the deep-state's and the corrupt MSM’s nightmare.  A godsend for justice.  These people are patriots and with one goal . . . uncover truth where the deep state or MSM will not reveal.


Times are changing.  Journalism is changing.  Politics are changing.


Citizen journalism and citizen investigation groups are changing how you get information and news.  Changing journalism forever.  Changing politics forever.  

You will look back ten years from now and be amazed at the difference in the quality of information you get from these new sources and how it is so much different than from MSM outlets.  Non-filtered.  More diversity.  Certainly less bias than what you were used to.  Citizen journalists don't have the strong ties to political affiliations and companies.  These are truly free journalists.  


Twenty years from now, you won't have a choice in where you go for information.  These new journalists will be your only source for news.  However, you will have any news, any subject you want and in greater quantity.

You can see these new journalists and their published content on websites like YouTube where new journalists are being created by the hundreds daily.  With a cell phone, a computer, and a few hours of editing, these citizen journalists replace a corporate studio worth millions and a dozen paid staff.  This is the reason MSM is dying and the “fake news” label is misappropriated.  “Fake news” is corporate media taking their last desperate breaths.


Corporate investigative reporting will also be dead in a few years.  The mainstream media outlets don't have the money to dedicate salaried teams of journalists to uncover new information.  As viewers turn to other sources like YouTube for news, corporate sponsors of MSM also turn to these new venues.


Fates are sealed for cable news & cable altogether.  The internet is still changing our lives in the most profound of ways.



Saint George Added Jul 27, 2017 - 4:04am
The problem with you, Comrade Shillsky is . . . 
Well, where does one begin with your problems? You're an embarrassment of riches when it comes to personal problems.
So many personal problems; so little time to unmask them and ridicule them . . .
Saint George Added Jul 27, 2017 - 4:25am
I have plenty of problems.
You sure do.
At least we've found something we can both agree on.
Phil Greenough Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:38am
If Imran Awan fled the country because of an article he read In Daily Caller News, then George Webb and citizen journalism should not get credit for exposing the story.  Regardless, we can all use more investigative journalism, so I applaud anyone’s effort to dig deeper.  That includes the MSM, as I don’t believe they are any less or more corrupt than other types of journalists. 
William Stockton Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:54am
I agree, Phil.  There are claims that have not been validated.  Time will tell here.  
What is also interesting is how the Dailey Caller News published information the FBI should have held secretly (Imran was wanted).
My theory is that Webb's group and The Daily Caller are somehow linked.
Interesting times.  
William Stockton Added Jul 27, 2017 - 10:05am
I don't agree with your statement Phil:
"That includes the MSM, as I don’t believe they are any less or more corrupt than other types of journalists. "
Large corporate forces (includes political parties) have been selectively editing to only publish news it wants people to hear.  
These new & independent journalists couldn't possibly corroborate stories to affect public information.  This is the big change which significantly reduces corruption and misinformation in corporate journalism.
I think you may be confusing corruption with error.  Independent journalists are more susceptible to error.  Some of this error is their own bias.  But most of these new journalists are just pointing and shooting what they see and then uploading raw content.
I'll take bias and error any day over manipulation (corporate news).
Dino Manalis Added Jul 27, 2017 - 11:51am
Sounds honest and trustworthy, they may not speak in one voice, but they will probably express the complexities of any issue or problem.
wsucram15 Added Jul 27, 2017 - 12:46pm
YES.. its not BRAND NEW..its new to you.
Ive been doing this for a while, just not in a group like you have above.  I can say though, there are quite a few people out there, looking into things.
Ari Silverstein Added Jul 27, 2017 - 3:02pm
Who doesn’t selectively edit the news so that they present the news their audience is most interested in?  It doesn’t matter if a media company is large or small, independent or corporate, all news is edited for all sorts of reasons.  You think MSNBC would have any viewers if they spent time on the Benghazi or IRS scandal?  Do you think some Podunk website that is frequented by Holocaust deniers will get any traction with a story sympathetic to Jews?  I think everyone, starting with you William, needs to realize that news bias and news manipulation are the same thing.    We are all biased, therefore we all choose the news that's manipulated to our liking.  
Dino Manalis Added Jul 27, 2017 - 3:49pm
Crowdsharing may help Writer Beat become an income-producing advisory group!
wsucram15 Added Jul 27, 2017 - 5:23pm
Ari..he is talking about people who view the news, he is talking about investigative journalism. Research and tracking sources.
William Stockton Added Jul 27, 2017 - 11:24pm
Ari, "You think MSNBC would have any viewers if they spent time on the Benghazi or IRS scandal? "
I completely agree with that statement.  
Somehow you conveniently forget that MSM, eight years ago, was nearly the only game in town.  A complete monopoly on the news.  Ari, and here's the thing people need to remember, especially you, the MSM never was honest about their own bias.  Only recently, in the past year, has the MSM finally admitted this.  Oh ok, now that they have competition . . . they admit it.  Well, I call that manipulation and corrupt journalism . . . you seem to think it is honestly corrupt journalism.
Still not sure your point except to excuse corrupt journalism.  But here is my point again . . . times have changed.  People no longer are strapped to one source for information.  This is killing MSM.  And this new choice for journalism (bias or not) is a trend that shows no end in sight. 
William Stockton Added Jul 27, 2017 - 11:27pm
Jeanne, "YES.. its not BRAND NEW..its new to you."
Could be.  It has been evolving for a while as you say.  The other point I made is that this looks to be trending.  We'll see.
Thank you for reading!
Melina Ahl Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:42am
This appears to be meant as a joke.
Phil Greenough Added Jul 28, 2017 - 9:19am
I agree 100% with Ari. 
One needs to go back a lot further than 8 years to see what the media landscape was like before competition.  Between radio, cable television and newspapers there were large and small players for at least 20 years now.  In addition, today about the same percentage of the population watch the nightly news from the MSM as there have always been (assuming Fox News is included in the numbers).  About the only major change today versus 8 years ago is newspaper subscriptions, which are way down.  30 years ago there were only a few televisions networks to choose from, but overall media competition has been alive and well for some time now. 
As to corrupt journalism, I think you’re using the wrong term.  Bias news / news manipulation is what your article is mostly about and that’s not evidence of corruption.  To Ari’s point, the media and their customers (you and I) are all biased.  I suppose fake news is an example of media corruption, but that would mean the MSM is knowingly reporting fake news as fact.  Do you have an examples of that?
William Stockton Added Jul 28, 2017 - 10:41am
Phil, "I suppose fake news is an example of media corruption, but that would mean the MSM is knowingly reporting fake news as fact.  Do you have an example of that?"
How much time do you have?
But these examples don't really mean much and can be excused fairly easily with the argument that media is always biased and will always distort the truth because of the bias.  I don't disagree with you or Ari on that point.  And that is not the focus of this article . . . debating ethical journalism.
I make a claim that MSM journalism has not been ethical in the past.  You say there really is no valid argument for "ethics" in journalism.  And I think that is the root of our disagreement.  An age-old debate.  At what point does bias become outright deception.  You and I (and Ari) probably won't agree on where to draw that line.  I believe MSM crossed an ethical line along time ago.  Their motive was purely politically driven. 
The reality is that people are moving away from these legacy media sources . . . in droves.  Convenience is part of this as younger people are not even buying televisions let alone a cable hookup.  The other part is a palatable disdain for MSM and the deception. 
My claim is that this new diversity in media and new choices nearly makes the "ethical" journalism argument moot.  If people think a media source is too bias, they can simply find another source.  But that choice was not available in the recent past.  Hooray for the internet.  Right?  Hooray for a new freedom.  And I always wonder if people like you or Ari are defending MSM because you also see the shift in power and resent the loss of a media monopoly which mostly shared your same political ideology. 
wsucram15 Added Jul 28, 2017 - 12:57pm
Go get em William, why dont you go out and do your own investigation?  I think you would learn quite a bit...I have.
Phil Greenough Added Jul 28, 2017 - 2:47pm
Every one of those examples from that link fails to factor in the important caveat in my comment to you…knowingly.
I did not say “there is no valid argument for “ethics” in journalism.”  I said all journalists, this includes MSM and non-MSM journalists, are guilty of being biased.  I couldn’t agree more, the question to be asked is: when has media bias becomes so glaringly obvious that they’re really just practicing deception?  The Left would argue Fox News crossed that line and the Right would argue CNN crossed it.  We could waste a bunch of time pointing fingers and making accusations or just change the channel.  I’d argue the rise of Fox News is evidence of the fact changing the channel is the proper course of action. 
I don’t think the reality is that people are moving away from MSM.  To be sure, people are getting a larger share of their news from the internet, but we’re still talking about MSM, or is Facebook not a member of the MSM?  How about the online version of the WSJ or NYT, not mainstream because they’re on the internet? 
I’d also like to reiterate the fact that alternatives to the MSM was non-existent 30 years ago on television.  However, 8 years ago there was plenty of competition on television and elsewhere. 
Shane Dean Added Jul 28, 2017 - 6:33pm
I do agree that we need more outlets for information.  But to say these groups will be unbiased is counterintuitive.  
Scientists are supposed to come up with a hypothesis, and come up with all kinds of experiments to prove themselves wrong.  Not right, but wrong.  When they have exhausted those possibilities, according to the scientific method, they are actually right.
Journalists are supposed to do similar things.  They should investigate to see if anything contradicts their thoughts to ensure veracity. Not to support their thoughts.
Modern journalism, like modern science, does not do what it is supposed to do.  Citizen journalism will fall prey to the same traps that MSM does: they will only gather that information that supports their position and ignore the rest to push their agenda.  I am not saying they won't find the truth in their quest, but if they don't find the truth they are looking for, they will do like any other news outlet and play semantic games to twist the truth to their narrative.
I am glad people are finding other ways to get information out there that is being ignored, but just because you don't work for the MSM doesn't automatically make you unbiased and honest.
EXPAT Added Jul 28, 2017 - 7:58pm
WikiLeaks is a place where insiders who know what they are talking about, expose chicanery to the world.
Leakers provide only what will hurt the other side.
Crowd sharing.  Is where the delusional share huffy shit, and smell their youtube outlet. 1 idiot is a liar. 100 idiots is a crowdshare.
The public only knows what the privileged want them to know, and keep them placated by thinking they are doing something, like voting or protesting, instead of being active in a real way.
Wascum15 is an example of someone keeping busy accomplishing nothing.
Citizen Journalists see only what they want to see, and ignore counter evidence that would add balance to a conclusion.
EXPAT Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:03pm
P.S. There are REAL information sharing groups with REAL resources.
They are called Think Tanks, and influence policy makers around the world.
William Stockton Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:28pm
Shane, "I do agree that we need more outlets for information.  But to say these groups will be unbiased is counterintuitive."
I never said that. 
Certainly less bias than what you were used to.
If you don't think corporate news organizations are the biggest problem in journalism today, I have a gold mine in Florida to sell you.
William Stockton Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:55pm
Phil, "I don’t think the reality is that people are moving away from MSM. "
Errmm.  Maybe you can do your own research on that statement to verify.  Here is what I found in about 2 minutes of searching, "MSM viewers decline statistics"
"According to Nielsen ratings data target="_blank">compiled by TV Newser, Fox News’ overall viewership indeed grew in the month following the election, while both MSNBC and CNN saw their ratings dip. In the key 25-54-year-old demographic for the primetime hours, however, all three networks saw their audience shrink, although the losses for CNN (-47%) and MSNBC (-42%) were proportionally much larger than that of Fox News (-2%)."
And this is telling:
William Stockton Added Jul 28, 2017 - 9:04pm
EXPAT, "The public only knows what the privileged want them to know, and keep them placated by thinking they are doing something, like voting or protesting, instead of being active in a real way."
Maybe we should all then just run to some far away tropical hideout like you and bury our heads in some sunny beach.
Thank God there are still patriots here.  Obviously, you are an EX PATriot by choice.  You put yourself out to pasture man.
William Stockton Added Jul 28, 2017 - 9:09pm
EXPAT, "They are called Think Tanks"
Are these the same people you said, "The public only knows what the privileged want them to know"?
Or are these "think tanks" sharing their knowledge and benefiting the public like CIR groups?  Links or you dont have a clue what you are talking about.  Think tanks.   LOL  Didn't that term come from some government agency in the 1950's?
William Stockton Added Jul 28, 2017 - 9:30pm
Jeanne, "why don't you go out and do your own investigation?  I think you would learn quite a bit...I have."
Time Jeanne.  I'm doing my best and I'm sure you are right.
William Stockton Added Jul 28, 2017 - 10:09pm
Dino, I agree.  Thank you for reading!
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 28, 2017 - 11:44pm
Decent article William, and yes I've heard of this before, but only recently. I stopped listening to the corporate mainstream media outlets sometime ago after seeing way too much lies and outright propaganda. News agencies like MSNBC and CNN will do anything to push their agenda, even down to running psyops operations. The New York Times promoted the censorship and slander website PropOrNot which went after quality independent journalists. Basically anyone from the left or right who didn't follow the Deep State line. This was a direct assault on the 1st Amendment and all opposition to the MSM. Thank God it failed. 
EXPAT Added Jul 29, 2017 - 12:37am
To your first comment to me: I AGREE WITH YOU!
To your second comment about Think Tanks. YES! They are manned by the privileged. Not the Public. And Unlike the Media and public sources they have access to world leaders and many have clearances from ex Military and government service.
Think Tanks are of all political persuasions and ideologies. But the difference is they offer intelligent arguments, based on facts, and privileged information!
The first American Think Tanks, were the Founding Fathers. All civic leaders, thinkers, philosophers, who first got together in their home states to petition their European rulers, and when that failed, formed a national Think Tank to draft a Declaration of Independence, and 13 years later a Constitution. I am surprised you didn't know this.
But then Think Tanks have been so derided by modern Google geniuses,  that what works is disparaged in favor of delusion.
We have a REPRESENTATIVE form of government, and an Electoral college to choose a POTUS because,  the majority of the public do not understand complex Domestic and International issues.
EXPAT Added Jul 29, 2017 - 12:54am
If you cannot think,
without a link
here is one
Now have a drink
Think tank

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A think tank, policy institute, or research institute is an organisation that performs research and advocacy concerning topics such as social policy, political strategy, economics, military, technology, and culture. Most policy institutes are non-profit organisations, which some countries such as the United States and Canada provide with tax exempt status. Other think tanks are funded by governments, advocacy groups, or businesses, or derive revenue from consulting or research work related to their projects.[1]
The following article lists global policy institutes according to continental categories, and then sub-categories by country within those areas. These listings are not comprehensive, given that more than 6,800 think tanks exist worldwide.[2]

Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 1:13am
I had a drink, 
Because the information at the link, 
It did stink, 
But I don't believe sharing my opinion makes me a fink, 
At least that's what I think,
Got to go because I still have dishes in the sink, 
But then it's time for the rink. 
EXPAT Added Jul 29, 2017 - 1:59am
Good One Jenifer!
 John G  Think Tanks, your welcome.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 2:35am
Yes, nothing surprising there. It's typically of fascist state to suppress speech, and with American the Israeli puppet... Well let's just hope groups like the ACLU can stop this unconstitutional garbage. 
Arrbyy Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:28am
"These groups are the deep-state's and the corrupt MSM’s nightmare.  A godsend for justice.  These people are patriots and with one goal . . . uncover truth where the deep state or MSM will not reveal." Automatically?! Without knowing who they are and what they are up to, you can't possibly know that. I've read through these comments, skimmed mostly, and the author, William Stockton, seemed to answer points raised by others well. In my opinion. But then I went back and read the rest of his post... (I came here for something else, and happened to notice this.)
The rules are simple and what they've always been. You apply the good faith principle. You can't know when a source (an individual or an org or the "team" in a crowd funded project) is trustworthy - unless you already 'do' know - until you investigate the individual's and/or group's history. If you see a history of deceit, for example, then you know and needn't waste your time paying the group any attention, unless you are down with deceivers. Even if you don't do that sort of examination, you simply examine their product. It's either good or it isn't. As Jesus Christ said, You cannot get bad fruit from a fine tree and vice versa.
But, having said that, I think (and so do others, like Nafeez Ahmed, who are already using crowd funding) that crowd funding holds a lot of promise.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:38am
   I think no system works when people are not honest and fair, though I don't think citizen journalism can be stopped. It used to be against the rules take a recorder into a rock concert. Now everyone takes their cellphone into concerts, records them without the artists permission and shares the video on YouTube.
   I'm going off topic but , you believe in Aliens, I don't worry about whether they exist because they don't in our world. Still I thought I'd share a quote from a Star Trek, it's a classic:
    We are assembled here today to pay final respects to our honored dead. And yet it should be noted that in the midst of our sorrow, this death takes place in the shadow of new life, the sunrise of a new world; a world that our beloved comrade gave his life to protect and nourish. He did not feel this sacrifice a vain or empty one, and we will not debate his profound wisdom at these proceedings. Of my friend, I can only say this: of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human.
The Wrath of Khan, Imdb
William Stockton Added Jul 29, 2017 - 1:45pm
Frost, Thank you for reading!  And for the record, I do agree with you on the Russian hoax crap.  People have to find an evil greater than themselves I surmise.  And politicians are the evilest people on the planet.
William Stockton Added Jul 29, 2017 - 1:47pm
Barath,  "I don't think citizen journalism can be stopped"
Completely agree.  And isn't citizen journalism the ideal that journalism has always claimed to be?
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 2:26pm
     Eventually people will like good news sources, and good writers and journalists; they will develop and reputation for being intelligent, credible.
In any case people don't like junk, and best antidote to bad ideas is in the power of truth. In the ability of the idea to be accepted. Every idea is an incitement, it offers itself for belief. There is a place in the market place of ideas even for ideas we don't like. That is the theory of our constitution anyway.(see Justice Holmes dissent in Abrams).
  The ideas that people like never needed the protection of the first amendment, it's the ideas that people don't like that need protection.
William Stockton Added Jul 29, 2017 - 3:17pm
Barath, "Eventually people will like good news sources, and good writers and journalists; they will develop and reputation for being intelligent, credible."

Again I agree.  People seek news and information to feed their mind.  Just like food, the vast majority of people don't eat just pie and potato chips just because it is cheap and tastes good.  People usually choose a good diet unless they are mentally incapable of knowing the difference.
William Stockton Added Jul 29, 2017 - 3:25pm
Arrbby,  "Automatically?! Without knowing who they are and what they are up to, you can't possibly know that."
That is true.  I can't know everyone's motivation and if it compatible with my values.
What I can say is that people generally want to know the truth.  I think this is a fact based on the success of science and law.  I can also say that these free groups, free from corporate cash and corporate machinations, are much closer, whatever the motivation, to uncovering truth than today's corporate news.
Thank you for reading.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 4:18pm
So people are smart enough to choose a good diet, or they're dumb and eat pretzels and beer, but most people would choose a healthy diet if they appreciated the value and yes pleasure of healthy food.
Can I have permission to have a steak?
William Stockton Added Jul 29, 2017 - 4:26pm
Hey!  I eat pretzels and beer, as a matter of fact, thank you.
EXPAT Added Jul 29, 2017 - 4:44pm
For John G and Jen who comment on the First Amendment, but don't understand its meaning:
One big modern error in interpreting freedom of speech and press comes from not treating it as freedom from government shielding itself against public examination of its affairs through use of criminal libel or license but as a right to be heard or seen. Newspapers were never under any obligation to publish whatever someone had to say no more than a university or town was viewed obligated to provide persons with a public soapbox. It is all about government and its agents subjectively determining what speech or publication it considers defamation against government and punishing such without truth being a defense.
Finally, opposition to speech or press restrictions for purpose of public decency or order is a political question and not a judicial one. By making it a judicial question serves only to uproot the great liberty of the people to govern themselves under their own chosen laws and sense of norms.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 4:58pm
On Fate: All things that good appear will oft have ill success; All things that evil appear prove good for gain of happiness.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:08pm
See Hamlet, 
    Oph. Could beauty, my lord, have better commerce than with honesty? Ham. Ay, truly; for the power of beauty will sooner transform honesty from what it is to a bawd than the force of honesty can translate beauty into his likeness:
I think she was cheating on him.
Bill H. Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:09pm
"Fake News" is subjective. If the reader or viewer of a certain news article is uncomfortable with the contents, or if the contents goes against their preset beliefs or political platform, it now automatically becomes "Fake News".
This is why many readers or viewers stick with their favorite biased news source (be it Fox or MSNBC as an example), and this is why the news sources deliver only the news that they know these viewers will be comfortable with. Obviously Donald Trump for example is quite uncomfortable with criticism, so he will faithfully watch Fox News, knowing that there will be minimal negative coverage on that network. I'm sure Hillary is a fan of MSNBC.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:30pm
Answer: Something is everything, or everything is nothing.
Let's See Action by The Who
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:34pm
Actual verse: Let's See Action by the Who:
Nothing is
Everything is
Nothing is

I don't agree.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:40pm
Expat, forcing people out of their right to boycott someone is un-American, so is attempting to ban any criticism of Israel or anything else. Simple as that. 
Barath I'm surprised that you have seen Star Trek II the Wrath of Kahn with all the aliens and such. You would strike me as more a Battlestar Galactica person. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:44pm
Oh and Bill, I use to actually get the MSNBC newsletter. I finally unsubed after no longer being able to stomach all the lies about Bernie Sanders, the mindless cheerleading for the bloodthirsty warmonger war criminal Hillary Clinton, and the Russophobic propaganda designed to put Americans into a pre-war mindset regarding Russia and push us into a unwinnable Omnicidal nuclear war with Russia. Way to much crazy there for me, way beyond just fake news. 
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:48pm
    "I don't believe in the no win scenario. I reprogrammed the simulation so I would have time to save the ship. I don't like to lose."
Captain Kirk was the good guy.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 6:03pm
My point was that in Battlestar Galactica there are no aliens. The reboot of Battlestar Galactica that is. They travel throughout the universe but never encounter a single alien. Just humans and Cylons (which are robats and human nanobot constructs). 
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 6:10pm
Jenifer: I know, but that's only after the world ended. That's why they were on the Galactica. In the Wrath of Khan the bad guys lose, the Enterprise survives, Spock dies but the Genesis device resurrects him.
Sauce for the goose, Jenifer.
EXPAT Added Jul 29, 2017 - 6:35pm
"Expat, forcing people out of their right to boycott someone is un-American, so is attempting to ban any criticism of Israel or anything else. Simple as that. "
No one has the power to force you not to boycott someone, except the USG. You must bake a cake for a LGBTQ, or lose your business. You must promote a Woman, or pay her as much as a man who produces more, or pay a fine. Civil rights says how many minorities you must include.
forcing people out of their right to boycott someone is un-American,
It is the Law of the lad that defines America. 1964 Civil Rights Act, and others.
Criticism of Israel, is the Left Progressive Mantra. You yourself use it constantly, along with the Nazi's on this site.
You really need to think before you post. Your emotional ideology is making you look foolish. I have seen you do better, or I wouldn't take the time to criticize you.
Most things are only SIMPLE, to the simple minded!
EXPAT Added Jul 29, 2017 - 6:43pm
Better stick to Battlestar Galactica, reality is too complex! Only fantasy can be simple! Good V. Evil, Man V. Machine, Whoops! Man has become Machine. "Praise GOOGLE, from whom all blessings flow."  (Doxology)
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 6:51pm
I guess we'll see who is correct based on if the Israel ass kisser law is passed or not. And my criticism of Israel has nothing to do with Nazis but rather the fact that white European colonialists have no claims to the land of Palestine. I'm opposed to Israeli occupation, appartide, war crimes, genocide, and racism against the Palestinian people. BDS is the peaceful protest against this which the draconian law seeks to stop. Essentially a statement that Palestinians aren't due human rights. 
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 7:19pm
    But do you think Arabs are as good or better than you, or that the Koran came from God? You support their rights only because you think you're superior and Christ is messiah or else you don't believe in equal rights for everyone.
I tell the truth.
Why Christians are supposed to believe in Mercy for everyone not just Christians. Correct?
He'd be on my side.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 7:29pm
    The only reason you're at all fair is because you believe in Jesus? Correct. You're not really into K religion. So okay, believe in Jesus. The Lord doesn't like people switching religions too much. It creates too much disorder.
After all my religion is my heritage, not yours, you don't have a right to it.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 7:37pm
Barath you are a weirdo. I am a lifelong hereditary Kemetian. As a African black woman I would certainly never belong to a "religion" that treats me as property and thinks I should be a slave. I have no idea what your religion is and I certainly wouldn't want any part of whatever it is. As for me I've always identified as a Kemetian, my profile here and on both Medium and Twitter (@Sekhmetnakt) reflect that. My religious name is Sekhmetnakt which is a Kemetian word meaning Sekhmet is mighty. Sekhmet is my patron Netjert. The Netjeru are the messengers of God. My family have been practicing Kemetians for many generations, we hail from Egypt on my father's side. Also, what does any of this have to do with the article? 
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 7:45pm
    You're an absolute Angel. Your kind, generous, loveable, good looking and good hearted. I consider you to be one of the finest Kemetians if our time.
I only speak in the interest of justice, but you can't tolerate it. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 7:48pm
Truth and Justice are the highest Kemetian values. When you speak to those things I will back you. When you speak against them I will oppose you. Simple as that. 
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:32pm
Jenifer: Plus your evil and your going to hell. May you and your scientific  (weirdo, freakish, abnormal butter)buddies enjoy a long stay.
Sorry, just stating my opinion.
EXPAT Added Jul 29, 2017 - 10:42pm
Jenifer. Very noble values. and well stated arguments.
Therefore, I will treat you with respect, and explain why I disagree with you, point by point. So I will copy paste your comments in Bold.
I guess we'll see who is correct based on if the Israel ass kisser law is passed or not.
Please be more specific.  I wrote a story of how Israel is aligned with the Sunni countries, and will soon be a Major power in ME, thanks to their Nuclear weapons and science. I believe they will end the Palestinian question by returning Gaza to Egypt and the West Bank to Jordan, in exchange for a guarantee of peace and security. That is who the Muslim people living in the Palestine territory are. They are Arabs! It was Nasser, who created the concept of a Palestinian Refugee, by ordering all Arab Nations not to assimilate them.
And my criticism of Israel has nothing to do with Nazis but rather the fact that white European colonialists have no claims to the land of Palestine.
The European Colonists you refer to were Fleeing Nazi persecution, and a continuation of Anti-Semitism by Europeans and Russians. But that was 70+ years ago. That would make any still alive over 90.
The current population has a birthright to their country. Their country was mandated by UN in 1948. So anyone born after 1948 in Israel territory, is an Israeli, 100%.
I'm opposed to Israeli occupation, appartide, war crimes, genocide, and racism against the Palestinian people.
So are Israeli"s, and so am I.  Israel tried Land for Peace in 1979 and 1994. Egypt kept their promise for peace and kept Sinai. But Gaza and West Bank refused to recognize Israel. But still they tried. I remember Israeli troops forcefully removing settlers, with the following result:
The forced eviction by Israel of its settlers and military forces in entirety from the ground territory of the Gaza strip has been put forth as a 'test case' of "Land for Peace" with the Palestinians.

This 'test case' is argued by some to show the failure of the "Land for Peace" strategy with the Palestinians:

Rockets launched against Israeli targets continued almost immediately after the Israeli withdrawal and have increased in the time since.[3]
The attacks from the Gaza Strip are continuing today[4]
The area is now being used to smuggle weapons into Gaza[5]
Tunnels are being built under the border for use in the smuggling of weapons, fighters and to kidnap Israeli soldiers [6]
Is presumed that Hamas is the main organization behind the smuggling and tunnels, though other groups are likely involved as well[7]

BDS is the peaceful protest against this which the draconian law seeks to stop. Essentially a statement that Palestinians aren't due human rights. 
If I understand this you are denying Israel the right to exist, so that the Palestine Arabs can exist. They are all humans Jenifer!
The stupidity is that Gaza residents, live in abject poverty, because when they get a water pipe, they make it a Rocket. When they get cement, they use it to shore up a tunnel into Israel, when they get bricks, they throw them at Israeli troops.
Meanwhile Israel must import over 400,000 foreign workers mostly Agriculture.
What is an Israeli?
The Jewish population makes up 6,484,000 (74.7%); 1,808,000 (20.8%) are Arabs; and, those identified as "others" (non-Arab Christians, Baha'i, etc) make up 4.5% of the population (388,000 people). When the state was established, there were only 806,000 residents and the total population reached its first and second millions in 1949 and 1958 respectively. Judging by current population trend data, experts predict that the population of Israel will reach 10 million by 2025 or sooner.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 10:53pm
BDS has a mission statement of being a project to stop Israeli occupation, appartide, and war crimes against the Palestinian people. It is not about removing Israel from the middle east. I personally would like to see that happen because the Palestinian people are the indigenous natives of that area, but it's not a realistic goal so humane fair and equal treatment is the goal. Since you love the trivia site Wikipedia why don't you look up BDS there instead of citing Zionist propaganda. 
Incidentally the original statement was concerning the draconian law that was proposed not the stuff you dredged up for diversion. Thus if the law becomes law it is just and if it does not it isn't (and neither are it's goals anywhere near good) is a pretty reasonable statement. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 29, 2017 - 10:54pm
Barath, seek help from your religious delusional madness, before someone calls you on it in person where you can't hide your cowardly ass behind a keyboard. 
EXPAT Added Jul 29, 2017 - 11:18pm
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 1:27am
Jenifer: You Christians are sociopaths, I have no interest in being part of your whoredom.
    But, you actually have a good heart. I think you'll actually made it to Heaven one day. The Lord is really amazing and good.
 Look at those doctors in London who took a baby off life support. The Lord could have saved him. True God worship is the Lord can do anything, he only asks you to be good.
   The parents cried out Evil in the courtroom. Your white coated doctors insulted the dying child in the courtroom, then disconnected him and he died. He was 6weeks old.?You think the Lord can't save a baby? Those Doctors don't have a true God belief.
   The United States Congress granted him permenantncitizenship to come for treatment in the U.S.. The London Hospital said it wasn't in the infants best interest to come to the U.S.. Even the President offered to help.
Why because the infant baby boy didn't follow their rules?
I don't give a fuck about your Jesus. I wanted to save that baby. In fact the world can go fuck itself if it can't understand that the Lord has all kinds of miracles and ways of saving people, the baby would have lived, but they believed in science and Jesus.
Mircea Negres Added Jul 30, 2017 - 1:34am
William, it could become the way of the future, especially since proper journalism such as that of Woodward and Bernstein is under increasing threat due to budget cuts in main stream media. I think something like this has happened twice already. First, with the Panama Papers, which were investigated by an international consortium of journalists. Second, with the so-called Gupta Leaks. A big pile of e-mails were made public which point to serious high-level corruption in the South African government apparently driven by the Gupta family, president Jacob Zuma's buddies. This too is currently being investigated by a group of journalists. It'll be interesting to see where this trend goes and what impact it will have on society.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 30, 2017 - 2:19am
Will someone direct Barath to the Writer’s Beat menu settings so he can reference my profile and see that I am a Kemetian, not no filthy Christian. Barath everytime you call me a Christian you reveal yourself to be a damn fool. Everyone knows I'm a Kemetian. How about I start calling you a demon worshiper Nazi, sound good? 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Jul 30, 2017 - 2:22am
Good points all John. I tried to explain some things to Expat but apparently it was "ALL THAT WORK FOR NOTHING!" I doubt you will fare any better. 
William Stockton Added Jul 30, 2017 - 5:22am
Mircea Negres,  "It'll be interesting to see where this trend goes and what impact it will have on society."
I agree and thank you for responding with those examples.  Very interesting and will look at those closer.
Most of what is wrong with politics today, I argue, is a direct result of corporate journalism.  Once corporate journalism becomes ineffectual we will see things calm down  . . . people coming more together than violently polarized.  And could we say that the mayhem in politics today may be people returning from the ends to somewhere in the middle . . . just tumultuous in the process?  
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 8:45am
It's fine Jennifer, you're actually very loveable, but I want you to be fair, that's all. I like a lot of your writing, some of it is actually funny for a (serious) Kemetian. 
   I'll tell you when I was a teenager I didn't believe in miracles, or Spiritual stuff, but I've seen things that might be considered miracles in my life. Everyday the Lord shows me something new and I always say to myself, " Wow,The Lord is amazing , awesome". Imagine the world could be the best reality that there could be, that's the Lord.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 9:06am
Jennifer, imagine that a government placed you into a dungeon, hell on Earth. If you worship the Lord he'd bring a little bit of Heaven to earth and turn it into (metaphorically)Disneyland. If I were a kid and you asked me I'd say "I want to live in Disneyland every day". 
Nothing is the end of the World until it's the end of the world. The Lord has so many weapons of salvation, if you worship him for the sake of being good you would see wonders and amazing things. 
    The reality scientists are selling isn't reality, it's only the portion of reality they can control or understand, anything beyond that they deny, it makes them scared because they don't understand it.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 9:55am
Check out Waiting on the World to Change:
    It's not that we don't care
We just know that the fight ain't fair
So we keep on waiting (waiting)
Waiting on the world to change

John Mayer.
Transformers quotes, Imdb:
He wants us to get in the car.
Mikaela: And go where?
Sam Witwicky: Fifty years from now, when you're looking back at your life, don't you want to be able to say you had the guts to get in the car?
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 10:05am
The Birth of the Child God
      ‘And are your feelings gentle towards the deer who nibble grass out of your hands because they love you, O woman whose eyes are like the lotuses! 36 ‘Pārvatī, men make no mistake when they say no one is born with beauty to lead an evil life, since in this world you, are a model of conduct even for ascetics.
William Stockton Added Jul 30, 2017 - 11:59am
MJ,  Thanks for reading.
 "I guess I just don`t like people clubbing/gathering together, it always breeds contempt in one way or another. "
Aren't you living amongst crowds/gatherings already?  Your government.  Corporations?  These "groups" already have contempt for anyone who doesn't agree with them.  And they have the power to enforce their contempt.
Bring on the competition!
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 12:11pm
I'll be explain the enigmatical verse to you by analogy.
    We say North is good South is bad(South is below). Things come from the South but advance North. But, if the Lord(his Spirit) is in the South then the only way nature knows how to interpret it is that South is north and north is south.
    Reality is stable, consistent for people, but is relative to the Lord.
    Something is everything, everything is or nothing is.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 12:26pm
Or the Lord is good, he is not capable of doing evil. You only believe the Lord did evil. To believe the Lord did evil is to create a problem in reality. The Lord is not capable of evil, and even if you believe he did wrong it must have been your fault, since the Lord doesn't do wrong.
EXPAT Added Jul 30, 2017 - 1:21pm
John G.
I wasted my time providing facts to a brainwashed ideologue, Jenifer Frost. I am not about to do it again for you, another brainwashed ideologue.
Especially since the matter will be over in a year! Those in Gaza will go back to being Egyptians, and West Bank Arabs will go back to being Jordanians.
Watchdogs of Our Freedom Added Jul 30, 2017 - 1:30pm
Gosh, Mr. Stockton, given the massive outpourings of vituperation, sardonicism, and profanity excited by your modest piece, one might suppose you advocated the universal prostitution of minors in the wake of genocidally napalming at least half a continent--have you noticed the levels of emotionalism and obloquy provoked by even the most decorously reasoned thoughts, once ventured online? We certainly have.  
Anyhow-- it occurred to us while pondering your fascinating post that what you describe is what we at Watchdogs of Our Freedom (coyly acronymized as WOOF) have been up to since 2012; probably with all the attendant stupidity, idiocy, religious whoredom, and mindlessly biased selectivity about which so many of your respondents have already seen fit to complain--but nevertheless. Too, we might have supposed the notion that human endeavors are invariably prone to human mismanagement was something of a given--notwithstanding so many boisterous reminders!
But we've been having fun with the CIR construct (as we shall henceforth denominate it), and we thank you for your thoughts on the subject, which certainly expanded and added clarity to our own. ---Your friends in the WOOF cave.
EXPAT Added Jul 30, 2017 - 1:36pm
William Stockton.
The Electronic Intifada, where John G. gets his information is a CIR. They can be both good and evil depending on the mission of the group. In his case Muslim extremists.
I know you were only considering the good that can come from civil activists, but today the Internet is a weapon, that I believe is destroying society!
If enough people tell the same lie on the Internet, It becomes the truth to the weak minded!
EXPAT Added Jul 30, 2017 - 1:46pm
P.S. John G. Your fake starvation charges are ridiculous. Nutrition needs are listed below according to USDA.
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Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 2:04pm
Sorry woofers you can't have white Christian fascism back, the World won't allow it. Get the into the modern world or forget you. As if you killed millions of people over egotism and racism, and tortured people with moral depravity, you Christian whore WOoofer.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 2:32pm
Sorry whore WOOFERS Senator McCain has terminal brain cancer, he's a well know White Christian Supremacist(you darn and an opponent of President Trump who defeated the healthcare repeal bill. 
Why be evil and then end up in hell? I'm trying to save you people. Jesus never intended to save you, he was the Devil he's trying to destroy you. Be good.
William Stockton Added Jul 30, 2017 - 3:47pm
WOOF team!  Nice to meet you.  I hope we hear more from you guys soon.  Thanks for the comments.  Much appreciated.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 30, 2017 - 4:22pm
WOOFERS, I wasn't talking about the girls, I was referring to a system that forces people to sell out their values and being good to get ahead.
Watchdogs of Our Freedom Added Aug 9, 2017 - 2:41pm
Thank you, Will Stockton! To paraphrase Tom Joad, "wherever there's a profanity-spewing irrationalist beatin' up a guy-- we'll be there!" Cordially, WOOF

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