Do Muslims in the US contribute to our domestic terrorism problem?

I say yes, but it’s a multifaceted issue and yes doesn’t necessarily mean having Muslim immigrants and communities is a bad thing. 

 

I say yes because there would be far fewer domestic terrorism events if there were no Muslim communities, but I acknowledge the fact that many domestic terrorism acts were not committed by immigrant Muslims, but rather by young Americans who became Muslim and then became radicalized.  Those terrorists weren’t Muslim immigrants and stopping Muslim immigration will not deter them because there is already an abundance of radicalized Muslims here that they can associate with, and even if there wasn’t they could still self-radicalize themselves via the internet.

 

The fact still remains that most of the people who committed terrorist acts in the US were inspired by people they met and associated with in American Muslim communities.  Muslim communities do contain pro terrorist elements that seem to coexist with the majority Muslim population, to an extent that does not exist in any other ethnic minority population within the US.  It’s hard to meet people with links to terrorism, who would like to recruit you, in a Christian Church, or a Buddhist or Jewish Temple but they apparently aren’t hard to find in American Muslim Mosques.

 

Even though we can say most domestic terrorists were not immigrants, we can’t say that our American Muslim community doesn’t seem to provide the type of support and guidance that was an essential component of what it took to radicalize and inspire them to the point where they are willing to commit terrorist acts.

 

Saying the presence of Muslim communities in the US is causing terrorism is comparable to saying guns cause gun violence; both statements ignore the fact that without a person who is inclined to perpetuate violence, the Muslim community and guns are powerless to do harm. 

Comments

John G Added Jul 27, 2017 - 9:21pm
There'd be virtually no "domestic terrorism" by muslims without the FBI initiation and organisation. And no bent prosecutors and judges willing to send innocent people to gaol for their own advancement.
You're being psy-opped.
Dave Volek Added Jul 27, 2017 - 10:03pm
Nice analogy, Rusty.
 
I'm not a big fan of the American constitution, but I really appreciate the provisions of (1) innocent until proven guilty, (2) due process to arrest, try, and convict, and (3) the state has to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
These principle are much better than putting Muslims in jail and confiscating their property because they could be terrorists.  
Melina Ahl Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:48am
".... there would be far fewer domestic terrorism events if there were no Muslim communities."
 
Huh? No. There would be far fewer domestic terrorism events if there were no Christian white males.
Melina Ahl Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:49am
"The fact still remains that most of the people who committed terrorist acts in the US were inspired by people they met and associated with in American Muslim communities."
 
Ho. Domestic terrorists in the USA are inspired by the Bible and Christian churches.
Micahel Dolan Added Jul 28, 2017 - 10:13am
Commonsense is needed------Simply stop and see what has happened in country's who opened their borders and allowed millions of Muslims to enter knowing nothing about them.
Mass Rapes of young girls-bombs set off in cities-trucks driven into crowded streets killing many innocent children- blowing-up a concert-killing young kids in the name of Allah U.
 
Yo-want to come into America get in line like our grandparents did-and get investigated, why- well we want to live in peace in America.
 
Pass the investigation to enter-Welcome to America.
Rusty Smith Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:34pm
John G  just how does the FBI turn all these fine upstanding men into terrorists?  
Rusty Smith Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:38pm
Dave Volek unfortunately I do think that deciding to ignore threats so that we can do the right thing for the most people, is only a luxury we can afford to a very limited extent.  
 
Eventually even ants drive folks to the point where they want an exterminator, even if 99.999% of them never bother us.
Dave Volek Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:43pm
Michael: I live in a Canadian town of about 14,000 people. About 1,000 are Muslims, recent immigrants and first generation. Word gets around quickly in a small town. Here is what I have been hearing:
 
No mass rapes of young girls.
No bombs set off in streets.
No bombs set off in concerts or sporting events.
Yes, there have been some social problems in this community. But there are social problems with white community too.
And the last person to be murdered in my town was a white 19-year old girl beaten to death by her white boyfriend. 
 
If these 1,000 Muslims really wanted to cause some problems, I probably would have been dead several years ago.
 
 
 
Rusty Smith Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:45pm
Melina Ahl  I think you knowledge of the people who committed terrorist acts in America since 9/22 is very limited, the vast majority associated themselves with Radical Muslim Causes, not Christian values.
 
Of course I guess that statement depends on what you consider a terrorist act.  I have met many Muslims, not even radical ones, who think suicide bombers who blow up school buses full of children are not terrorists but rather something else like "freedom fighters" and have even heard some say all American taxpayers are terrorists because their tax dollars are used to kill Muslims.
 
So, where on the scale are you?
Rusty Smith Added Jul 28, 2017 - 8:50pm
Micahel Dolan  it's strange how few of the people who are screaming that the US was built on immigrants realize how selective we were even way back when the Statue of Liberty was new.
 
My grandparents dared not even get on the ship that dropped them off at Ellis Island until they had a sponsor who was already in the US who was willing to guarantee they never ended up sucking up other taxpayers money.  Even then they were inspected carefully for anything resembling a disease, and if any had been found they would have been put right back on the boat home.
 
Before they left the island they were registered and even given American sounding names to help them integrate into our culture.
 
Even then there was no such thing as open arms to the world of poor people.  
John G Added Jul 28, 2017 - 9:06pm
Islamophobia rears its ugly head on WB yet again.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:51am
Islamophobia is due to terrorism.  Trump should encourage them to alert authorities when they see something suspicious, while jihadists and terror suspects have to be monitored constantly online and off and prevented from traveling to and from terror zones to prevent barbarism against humanity!
Rusty Smith Added Jul 29, 2017 - 12:39pm
Dino Manalis  the threshold required for police to take action against potential terrorists is JUSTIFIABLY high, so reporting suspicious behaviors does very little good.  There are tens of thousands of people who engage in suspicious behavior and only a few hundred who actually engage in terrorist acts.  Most terrorists had been turned in or otherwise had run-ins with the law before they committed terrorist acts.
 
To make us safer from domestic terrorist acts we'd have to dump the entire batch of apples, so we can rid ourselves of the few bad ones.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 2:02pm
If people learned to be fair and honest everyone could be free. But, for now, this is the system we've got, we can protect ourselves against a credible threat. 
   I don't know that we can blame a whole religion though, there is a First Amendment problem.
     Finally, the Lord is the Lord, even the U.S. Government can't oppose him, because that means the end, but it can try.
   But, no I don't believe in Islam.
Tamara Wilhite Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:20pm
The issue is how many Muslim terrorist attacks are reclassified to avoid admitting the issue is Islam. Both Fort Hood attacks, where a Muslim man attacked and killed fellow soldiers, were classified as workplace violence. Muslim man kills a female coworker who challenged his proselytizing, workplace violence or "just a crazy dude". Muslim man kills wife or children for wanting to live in Western freedom, classified as domestic violence.
The media and many elites actively cover up the link between all of these as done by Muslims per Islamic teachings in both their holy book and mosques.
John G Added Jul 29, 2017 - 5:43pm
Islamophobia is due to terrorism.
Nope. Islamophobia is taught to a gullible public by the political/media class so the elites can wage their wars of aggression abroad, continue propping up the zionists and to construct their police surveillance state at home.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 6:03pm
 While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world's population, it houses around 22 percent of the world's prisoners.
See list of countries by incarceration rate Wikipedia
The United States has had the highest per capita crime rate in the world for a long time, not due to Moslems. I guess they don't get the newspaper in other countries.
 
 
Leroy Added Jul 29, 2017 - 7:56pm
The biggest problem that I see the letting in the radical Muslim leaders under a religious visa.  We must face the fact that not all religious leaders come here in peace.  The religious visa needs to be eliminated.
 
Someone here said it and it rang true to me, that Sharia law is all that many of the Muslims.  Given a choice, they would choose Sharia law because that is what they know. 
 
Trump recently made changes that attempt to change immigration from integration to assimilation.  I think that is a start.  We shouldn't allow immigrants who have no intention of assimilating.  There is no way to know who will and who won't, but we need to try.
Rusty Smith Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:09pm
Tamara Wilhite   yes, we've all seen a lot of that, but I've also seen them make a huge deal over some pretty small stuff that wouldn't have even made the news if the perpetrators hadn't credited Allah.
Rusty Smith Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:12pm
John G I strongly disagree, most of the public couldn't care less who kills who in other countries, and that doesn't make them afraid.
 
They do become afraid when they see one terrorist after another in the US give credit to Allah.  It's not like they also see the same all the time with other faces, the vast majority of the time Allah gets given the credit so that's what people remember.
Rusty Smith Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:14pm
Leroy if it were up to me the threshold for sending people back to wherever they came from would be pretty low, and would include anyone who strongly criticizes our country while they are here.  
 
When I visit other countries, I always remember I'm a guest.  Perhaps that should be a requirement.
John G Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:22pm
It's not like they also see the same all the time with other faces, the vast majority of the time Allah gets given the credit so that's what people remember.
The political/media class is telling you that is the case. If you are fool enough to believe them that just makes you one of the sheep.
I strongly disagree, most of the public couldn't care less who kills who in other countries, and that doesn't make them afraid.
A curious response. I don't see how it addresses what I said at all. It is you who is killing people in foreign lands. Whether you support it or just not oppose it is enough.
You've swallowed the narrative. It's always easier to practise bigotry against the other than it is to be self critical.
Your owners know that.
John G Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:25pm
John G  just how does the FBI turn all these fine upstanding men into terrorists?  
Wrong question.
How does it entrap poor, low intellect, misfits into fake terror plots?
Pretty much every instance involves an FBI 'informant' playing a central role.
Read more.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 9:43pm
Rusty:
     What world are you living in? If people don't like living here then obviously they want to leave. Just tell people you don't like them and don't come to America if you believe in truth and justice and don't like getting tortured or exploited then America is closed to you.
Tamara Wilhite Added Aug 2, 2017 - 10:27am
Islam has been a conquering religion since Mohamed declared war on the world after his shunning in Medina. It spread by the sword and required people to convert or submit to second class status with extra taxes if they wanted to live under Muslim rule.
Islam was a violent, mass murdering religion IN THE NAME OF ALLAH before Europe was a world power. Ask the Indians, who lost a 100 million during the Islamic conquest of the subcontinent and saw Buddhism become a world religion through the fleeing refugees.

Islam's War Against Buddhism By: Dhammajarat
https://rightmindfulness.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/islams-war-against-buddhism-by-dhammajarat/
Tamara Wilhite Added Aug 2, 2017 - 10:28am
You cannot blame Islam's violent conquest and subjugation of India on Islamophobia, but the memory of this and constant terrorism by Muslims against Hindus, Jains, Buddhists are why Indians supported Trump.
john guzlowski Added Aug 2, 2017 - 3:14pm
Domestic terrorism?  
 
Where?  How often?
 
In 2015, there were about 16000 homicides in the US. The vast majority -- 90% -- were committed by Christians.  
 
 
John G Added Aug 2, 2017 - 5:22pm
Wilhite is a zionist hate preacher. And an inveterate liar.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Aug 5, 2017 - 9:05am
My facebook discussion is informative.






 
Yes of course but the little fighting I can do do seem quite useless. We have an even greater problem here in France with the Arab people and we cannot do much.

















Rupert Green target="_blank">Tamara Govi. Well chicken has come home to rape and murder. Remember the actions of the colonists, like France, in Africa that gave rise to the mulattoes? Seems that France and other European (now civilized) countries are getting a taste of the rapes and murders that was inflicted by civilized French men. Black enslaved parents in America could not keep their new borns from civilized American men in the times of enslavement. But these are civilized times and Europe and America must offer repatriation to Blacks for them to join them and take up arms against the raping hordes that will be coming to Europe and America. President Trump knows the time of day and is trying to use walls and immigration policy to stem the flow of the raping denizens America, England, and other European lackeys created. Until Blacks are offered repatriation, they may not give a shit about those denizens who even want to treat Blacks like shit when they come to America.






Rusty Smith Added Aug 11, 2017 - 8:34pm
john guzlowski and 2,996 were murdered by Muslims in 9/11.  What's  you point?
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 12, 2017 - 5:14am
The U.S.Government was involved in illegal actions in violation of the U.S. Constitution and International Law well before that, and committed war crimes over a period of 25 years. The motive for torturing civilians is no different than the motive to murder civilians.
Though I'm not defending a wrongful or illegal action. 
Rusty Smith Added Sep 18, 2017 - 10:08pm
Barath Nagarajan Well said and very similar to what many American Muslims tell me, when I ask them if the perpetrators of 9/11 were terrorists. 
 
I don't want neighbors who think the people who do these things are no worse than most Americans.  I'd like to see them all go back wherever they came from...  oh except they don't really want to live under oppressive regimes, that's why they came here.  
 
Than why the heck do they bring their murderous culture with them?