What did the Sixties mean to me? And what does it mean to you?

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I was born in 1949 so the sixties came about at exactly the right time for me.

 

I was fourteen when the Stones and Beatles blew the world apart and I grew up with them.

 

At sixteen I was reading Kerouac, Ginsberg and Burroughs, listening to Dylan, Woody Guthrie and Ray Davies, growing my hair, developing a finely tuned social conscience, and cultivating a horror at the way the world was run and discovering an alternative way of living that was far more colourful, meaningful and fun.

 

We lived in the shadow of the bomb in the chill of the cold war.

 

I thought there had to be a better way.

 

The world I inhabited was boring, racist, hypocritical, elitist and highly conforming.

 

At sixteen I had a motorbike, freedom and my thinking was dominated by sex, love, girls and music. We talked endlessly about the Stones, Pretty Things, Animals, Kinks, Yardbirds, Beatles, Downliners Sect, Nashville Teens, Mojos and …….. Music was king.

 

As my hair grew my rebellious attitude proliferated and I found myself suspended from school quite a bit.

 

My parents despaired. They wanted me to get a good career, earn lots of money and have the lifestyle they had dreamed of. They couldn’t understand why I did not agree. I wanted freedom, girls and rebellion. We rowed a lot.

 

At sixteen I had no idea what I wanted to do in life aside from the fact that I wanted to live, love and eat up the world.

 

School went by the board. It was a side event.

 

I had already decided that I did not want any part of the war machine they called society. I did not want to be in a career where I prostituted myself for money to purchase houses, cars and status crap – to mortgage my life away. I did not want the boring, pointless, hypocritical life of the previous generation. I did not want to be part of that machine that was bulldozing the world. I saw it as self-destructive, selfish, greedy and empty. Happiness wasn’t to be found in ownership. It was to be found in friendship, love and experience.

 

I saw society as immoral. I wanted out. That brought me into conflict.

 

In 67 I had hair below my shoulders and was living in London and going out with the most amazing crazy woman and life was good. It consisted of parties, friends, gigs and craziness. We sat up nights rapping, playing music and laughing. That was living.

 

We knew life was about experience – not cash.

 

We had little money. We hitched everywhere, lived on air and grooved. I was at college and did a little casual work to buy albums, get to gigs and eat.


The music scene was brilliant. The underground, with its alternative culture philosophy, was underway with Bands like Hendrix, Cream, Family, Traffic, Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Free, John Mayall, Tomorrow and Soft Machine playing at Middle Earth, the Toby Jug, Klook’s Kleek and the Marquee. There were free festivals and revolution in the air. We all wanted something better. We trooped to Les Cousins to hear a fiery Roy Harper, Nick Drake, Bert Jansch and Jackson C Frank. Bands came across from the States with their brand of Acid Rock – Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band, the Doors, Jefferson Airplane, The Mothers of Invention, Love and the rest. There weren’t enough hours in the day.

For me the sixties meant a totally different, alternative way of life with different values. My world rocked. Between 67 and 71 life was a riot.

 

What does the sixties mean to you?

Comments

opher goodwin Added Jul 29, 2017 - 6:35pm
Seeing as there are a range of ages on this forum I thought it would be good to get some perspective.
John Minehan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 7:01pm
"I had already decided that I did not want any part of the war machine they called society."
 
Was that Aden in particular on just in general?
 
This post seems to imply that post-1971, the riot ended.  Is that what brought you into teaching?
 
That was an interesting period in the history of Great Britain.  
 
The impression you get reading about that period is that the period between the War and about 1970, especially for those born on both sides of the war years, was a head on collision between restriction and a Dionysian spirit (or at least as Dionysian as it gets in Northern Europe. 
 
Sort of an ethos of between Jack Hawkins and Spike Mulligan.     
Dino Manalis Added Jul 29, 2017 - 7:33pm
I was born in 1971, Generation X, we're X-rated!
John Minehan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 8:06pm
"Khe Sahn ( sp) would be next stop for Andrew."
 
Let me guess, he was with 1st CAV and he was part of OPERATION PEGASUS in 1968?
 
Twelve years later I worked for the man who was the CG then somewhat.  It was the biggest thing he did in his life and I doubt he ever escaped it. 
John Minehan Added Jul 29, 2017 - 8:51pm
It was a bad time.
 
When I was a kid, the local paper boy was kind of the All American kid.  When he graduated high school, he went off to the Army and Vietnam. 
 
After he got back, there was something seriously wrong.  You would see him walking down the street and out of no where he would scream and take a swing at  . . . nothing. 
 
It is a stereotype, but it is also something that happened a lot. 
Katharine Otto Added Jul 29, 2017 - 10:28pm
Opher,
 
I think stateside, the 60s culminated in the Kent State shooting in 1969.  When I got to college in 1970, there were just a handful of war protesters and the Vietnam war was petering out, or so it seemed.  Those who had seemed so radical in the 60s seemed to settle down, get government or corporate jobs, and become more materialistic than the parents they scorned.  
 
I remember the music, too, but not as well as you do. They were heady times, and that music is still unparalleled (according to some).  I also remember the rise of the social consciousness that has evolved into so many of the changes we see today.
 
 
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 3:10am
John - I think you hit it there. That was it. There was a head-on collision between a society that was highly structured, unequal and conforming and a wild Dionysian spirit. The sixties was liberation for me. A breaking away from the claustrophobic class system, a rebellion against the inequality and soulless hypocrisy of a system that blatantly served the top and kept everyone else in their place - a set of double standards, and a liberalisation of dress codes, morals, ideas, creativity. It was an explosion of colour in a time of drab black and white.
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 3:12am
Dino - good to hear. I think there is a clear lineage of youth culture that can be traced right back to the rebellious apprentices of olden times.
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 3:27am
Dannl - that is some alternative experience.
The American  experience was certainly more extreme that the British one. A lot of young kids ran away to get involved. Frank Zappa sent it up wonderfully. There were certainly a lot of drug casualties and cult casualties. That was the darker side.
The anti-war movement certainly targeted the wrong people. That war was not one that many of us thought was fair. The war machine needed stopping. Targeting the troops, often, as you eloquently described, traumatised by the war, who were the victims of it, was not the right response. But tensions were high.
Thanks for giving the alternative perspective Dannl.  
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 3:34am
Dannl/John - I don't think anybody who has been in wars comes out unscathed. What they see sears their brains. They received no counselling back then. My Grandfather fought in the First World War and my Father fought in the Second World War. Both were traumatised by what they had witnessed and neither talked about it. They were just quiet.
I feel so lucky that neither I or my children have had to fight.
I now think of all those people traumatised by what is going on in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Sudan and elsewhere. There are millions of people suffering from the madness of war.
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 3:40am
Katherine - I think the whole 60s ethos was undermined by what you describe, people dropping back in and exploiting the kids to make a fast buck, and a lot of young kids, week-end hippies, hedonistically getting involved with drugs and dubious cults.
The original feeling of liberalisation and brotherhood/sisterhood was amazing to experience. We really thought that we were changing the world for the better, shucking off old worthless values and replacing them with something better, fairer and more life affirming.
The revolution of the sixties brought in environmental groups, peace groups, women's' lib, civil rights and a great creative energy that paved the way for so much more. It was such an optimistic time for many of us. I'm sure glad I lived through it and came out unscathed.
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 3:44am
John - I think that it was certainly a bad time for anyone caught up in the war, for parents with kids that ran away, for kids getting caught up in drugs or cults, but it was a great time for those of us who avoided all that. A time of great growth, camaraderie, idealism and optimism. We felt we were making up new, better, rules. I still believe in that ethos. I still do not want part of this capitalist machine that is destroying the planet and creating such poverty, inequality and misery for so many. There are better ways.
Eileen de Bruin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 6:42am
Wow, Opher - that was one rocking time!  I grew up in the sixties and the seventies was "my" era. The Rolling Stones etc. got fabulously rich and abandoned their working class lads values entirely, thoroughly and without much of a second thought! It was a time so full of promise but, underneath, the social development which gave so many a university education - on the kind of understanding that then the entire working classes would become enriched and enlightened - didn't happen.  Those who went to Ruskin College et al, funded by unions and on and on, carved out their own corporate career and joined the higher echelons of society!
 
Orwellian - but there we are.  Still, living in the decade after the great sixties, we had a wonderfully great time, too.  My older cousin had been into flower power and I was a kind of hippy-freak-gothic type follower of Black Sabbath. I loved David Bowie and Pink Floyd - unfortunately the song "Just another brick in the wall......we don't want no education..." type thing hit my psyche at just the wrong age!  I decided that education was a waste of time anyway!  I spent a lot of time looking out of the window at the clouds during classes, because the teachers were so damned boring and killed all cerebral stimulation!  The school facilities were great - all from a Labour social policy - but the attitudes were very lax.
 
You are taking me back a little while.....still pondering on this one too. And what a wide range of experiences eh?
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 6:51am
Eileen - I think the Stones, along with a lot of the bands, were really middle class all along. They just projected a working class image because they thought it would serve them well. It is a shame how so many of them sold out on their ideals.
Education used to be dire. It destroyed my early years. It had got a lot better before Gove and the Tories set it back five decades. Education should be fun, stimulating ans creative. Kids love it when it is.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 30, 2017 - 8:14am
Opher -
 
I think your piece here demonstrates that the 1960s most lasting legacy was its music and its influence on music going forward.  These were my primary school years so my recollections are limited largely to what were my earliest experiences with music.  I grew up with a rather large extended family and have many cousins who were of your own age group, experiencing their teens and early adulthood in those times. As a result I had the good fortune to be more heavily exposed to the music of the era than many of my own generational peers.
 
For many years I had an internal conflict trying to determine exactly which group I fit into. I was either the very last of the baby boomers or I was among the first of gen x.  About ten years ago I came across a piece that identified the demographic sliver tagged as generation jones. Not very creative, is it? Wish I could come up with a better description.  For myself and many of my peers we find ourselves possessed of the best and the worst that either the baby boom or gen x has to offer.
 
From my own perspective the 60s were a sea change in social values. A lot of it was good, but like any period it came with some ills as well. Thinking of the 60s in terms of their sociological sense, rather than strict chronology, they began with the JFK assassination and ended with the Nixon resignation. At least in terms of the American experience. Churchill once said that the English and Americans are two great peoples separated by a common language. As he was in so many other respects how true this is. We are indeed different, yet undeniably tied to one another in our cultures. Though the events that define the beginning and the end of the 60s may be different there are certainly close parallels between us in what defines the 60s as an era. Nowhere was this more true than the music.
 
As always friend, thanks for sharing your perspective!
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 8:20am
Burghal - there - you said it at the end. Apart from the great music there was a sea-change in social values. A mixed bag as you say, but the environmental groups, civil rights, social attitudes, permissiveness and feminist movements stem back to those days. A lot of good came out of it. Shame about the downsides.
George N Romey Added Jul 30, 2017 - 9:05am
I was born in 1959 so I was a kid in the 60s.  Economically it was the difference between night and day for most but not all Americans.  I think the 60s after the death (and more likely murder) of JFK the Deep State (including neocons) started its true rise to power under Johnson.  What the neocons learned from the Vietnam War was that a draft made fighting made up wars (such as we had in the 80s, 90s and since 2001) very difficult to carry out.  Better yet to impoverish Americans and have a non stop supply of desperate young people needing a paycheck.  Vietnam was just the beginning of no strategy, unneeded, unwinnable and immoral wars and skirmishes. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 30, 2017 - 10:14am
George - right - Vietnam was a tragedy and it has gone on into Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and elsewhere. Madness.
Skip Stein Added Jul 30, 2017 - 12:15pm
Boy, was I born in the same country?  I was born in 1946 so pre-date most of you; hell I predate most everyone these days!
 
I was raised just outside of Detroit Michigan (Ecorse) which had a big Steel Mill on the Detroit River where my father and Grandfather worked.  My Grandfather was a 'fire eater' who watched the temperature of the molten steel and once was severely injured when a vat exploded and molten steel rained down his back; he survived and returned to work!
 
Because my Dad had a couple of years of college, he worked in the accounting department.  My mother actually graduated from college (a rare thing for a woman in those days) and became a school teacher.  Thankfully she taught in the public schools and I attended the parochial school.
 
At age 10 I started working with a TV Guide route; bet you didn't know that TV Guides were sold door to door by 'paper boys'?  I went on to a real paper route with the Detroit News and have been working constantly (much in recent times for myself and my own company) ever since.  (See: http://skipstein.com/skipstein-60-years-of-work.html)
 
Since I always was working, I never had the luxury of the party circuit.  Never hung out with folks doing drugs; all my associates were fellow working class kids who had to get home to work, not play after school.  I never did sports or many school activities as I had my paper route to attend to and later, other, more lucrative endeavors.  The great thing is that I always had money in my pocket (never from an allowance) and I was able to buy a used car as soon as I got my driver's license.  My first NEW car, I bought in my Senior Year of HS.
 
So, I saw what was going on, registered for the draft like everyone else (but did't pass the physical - allergies they said).  I went on to college, working my way through, no loans, no help from the parents (they just couldn't afford it as I had three younger siblings). Took me 7 years in combination of day/night classes but I finally got the silly degree!~
 
Now, I'm 71, still working on several fronts but mostly encouraging health & wellness amongst my older generations and anyone else who will listen.  Don't make any money, but it is very rewarding when just one person listens and regains their health.
 
So, as I said, at 71, I figure I'm just late middle age and have a long way to go.  Staying healthy is my goal and my passion for myself, my wife and family.
 
Live Long & Prosper ~ Stay Healthy and Work until the end, enjoying LIFE and Our Planet (we travel a lot!).
ed tonello Added Jul 30, 2017 - 12:34pm
Thank you for your interesting article. I am from the same vintage. Although I did not subscribe to your youthful lifestyle, it is not for me to judge. However, I take exception to your description of the 1967-1971 era as “a riot”. It was much more than that; it was a societal revolution no less important than 1775-1789 in America and France.
 
I agree with your timeline of 1967 – 1971 for which I offer the following justification.
 
1967    Vietnam war begins to grip the nation; this year was the genesis of unforeseen convulsions in our society whose effects verberate to today, notably marked by San Francisco summer of love and widespread civil disobedience, sometimes violent (e.g. Weathermen).
 
1968 murders of Kennedy and King; remarkable Chicago police riots at the Democratic National Convention; opposition to Vietnam war accelerates.
 
1969 more than half million American soldiers in Vietnam do not belie the fact that America is losing a war to an army of peasants, villagers, farmers
 
1970 Kent State shootings, America invades Cambodia.
 
1971 this was the zenith: invasion of Laos seemingly brought America to the cusp of civil war; within a span of less than a week, university after university shut down.
 
It was a hell of a ride.
 
wsucram15 Added Jul 30, 2017 - 12:50pm
I was 8 at the close of the 60s, I had  experienced the anger of the riot in Baltimore over MLKjrs death, my Dad was a cop then. My parents split up and we (Mom, my brother and myself) moved to an  apartment, then my Grandparents in Ohio.  I began playing drums on a kids drum set and eventually lessons like all the boys for a short time.  I heard  this really good music on a bus a couple of times my mom had to take to go shopping and got my first radio. I learned rock and roll from my Grandmother who had tons of cool records and older sister who bought my radio. 
 
My older brother was in Vietnam I think at the end of the 60s but Im not sure I would have to ask him, he was gone a long time.  My sister was a protester and I dont know all her protests, but Kent State was in the 70s and I remember that very well as she was there..  But You said 60s..  I was born in 61, so I know some things about the decade but they are things that happened to me, and things I was taught...
 
The external things I remember most about the 60s were watching  the moon walk on tv, that riot in Baltimore.
The 1970s were different for me. I grew up fast. My sis, punk rock, sister was at Kent state..concerts
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 30, 2017 - 1:36pm
Opher
 
I've been born in 1958, just missed the hippie age for a few years. But some of their ideas, although wishful thinking, I still support today, because they're - common sense.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 30, 2017 - 2:55pm
WSU -
 
What part of Ohio?
George N Romey Added Jul 30, 2017 - 3:32pm
I remember in 1968 my mother worked the overnight shift as a nurse in Baltimore.  She and the other nurses were escorted by the National Guard to work.  I remember relatives thinking my mother was nuts to go into Baltimore and work at a hospital in the bad section of town.
 
In later years my mother became an executive at the same hospital, at a time when allegiance and loyalty actually meant something to employers.  
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 30, 2017 - 5:08pm
Hey Opher -
 
You have some mail, kinda-sorta related to the topic. At least the music, anyway
Cliff M. Added Jul 30, 2017 - 7:16pm
I was born in 1957. Was in class in second grade the day JFK was shot.Every one got sent home.The Vietnam war was top of the news everyday. They would give body counts of those killed almost every day. I grew up in a working class neighborhood where the average was about 5 kids a family. Guys from every neighborhood were getting drafted.My next door neighbor got drafted and wound up becoming a sniper in the army.He went out on a patrol and got shot up pretty good but survived.Came back a junkie.With the draft lottery if you came up with a number 118 or less you were getting drafted and going to vietnam.
  1968 was pretty ugly . A lot of people were killed and riots flared.I live in North Jersey only about 20 miles from Newark where some of the worst riots occurred. It was different back then because you had a good idea what was happening but it wasn't continuously pounded with the 24 hour news cycle.Communities were still pretty segregated .
  The younger generation was pretty much fed up and had a fuck this attitude. A lot of kids just took off and thumbed their way around the country. Many went to Canada to avoid the draft.
  I remember when the Beatles came out with the White Album it was like an awakening.
wsucram15 Added Jul 30, 2017 - 7:18pm
TBH- Intially we moved to a small town in which my mothers family resided called Hubbard.  (on the PA/Ohio border)
About 2 years later we moved to a town called Liberty (between Hubbard and Youngstown) for 4 years or so, a little snobby area that I hated and went to Catholic school.
I finished my years in Ohio in a town called Warren (9 years) and often Cleveland.  But have actually been all over the state over the years due to family and friend obligations.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 30, 2017 - 7:30pm
I know all of them well. Steelers fan or Browns fan? I used to see a lot of the Black and Gold up in that corner.
wsucram15 Added Jul 30, 2017 - 7:41pm
Steelers...some of my family lives in East Middlesex, PA, so I can do either.  But I prefer Pittsburgh, it gets me in trouble in Baltimore though.
My Mother was the Browns fan and absolutely hated Art Model (sp) for bringing them here to be Ravens.  When she had to come live here, I had to get her special sports channels, she hated the Ravens.
 
 
wsucram15 Added Jul 30, 2017 - 7:47pm
TBH..are you from Ohio?  It amazes me sometimes the people I talk to from the tri-state area.  Especially people that left those areas.
Patrick Writes Added Jul 30, 2017 - 9:08pm
I was waiting for the part when you got an STD. 
 
Pretty sure HIV / AID ended this way of life. Even David Crosby said in interviews that how he lived in the 60's wouldn't be possible anymore with the life-threatening STD's that exist today.
 
Just ask Charlie Sheen or Magic Johnson.  
 
 
"We hitched everywhere," - Also not possible / recommended today unless you want to end up raped, dead, or with an STD. 
Patrick Writes Added Jul 30, 2017 - 9:12pm
I'd agree that the Vietnam War was probably the stupidest war in U.S. history that America lost it and it accomplished nothing. 
 
(As I understand it) Vietnam, only a few years after the war ended, began applying capitalist techniques to increase the output of their state-run farms and factories. They are effectively capitalist today but it's government is run by their Communist Party. 
The Conservative Mind Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:55am
Last of the baby boomers, I came of age in the 70s. The sixties were a faint memory, along with chasing frogs. Yet, I see in it a genesis of change that was not all good. 
 
Yes it was racist, but as the decade started, black unemployment nearly mirrored whites, with the young sometimes having rates lower than their white counterparts.  Black families were mostly intact, and children played in the streets of inner city neighborhoods. Places where doors were mostly unlocked.  Of course, all that changed by the end of the decade.  Unlocked doors have now given way to bars, bolts and bulletproof glass. A trend that affected all, but minorities to a far greater degree. 
 
Where the generations before saw a need to concentrate on giving to society, not being a burden to others, and working to provide for the next generation, the sixties was bathed in selfishness.  True, it was wrapped in the rhetoric of love, but in the end it was about dropping out, getting high, and getting laid; a beginning of a decline the country never recovered from. 
 
The sixties flower child generation concentrated on all that was wrong, and ignored what was good.  Consequently, they threw out the proverbial baby with the bath water.  Selfish, self centered, and self-righteous, it was the first great me decade. 
 
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:29am
Skip - sounds like a good philosophy to me.
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:31am
Ed - it was certainly a social revolution. It felt it at the time. It was very hard to relate to the older generation. It felt like we were so different. We had different values, attitudes, and vision of the future. It was dramatic and far reaching. When I see the cosmopolitan society and tolerance of attire, hairstyles and thoughts I am witnessing the fruit.
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:33am
wsu - It is interesting to hear what other people feel about the era - particularly those who were too young or not involved.
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:35am
SEF - a lot of it was good common sense - I agree. It was a rebellion against the hypocrisy, warmongering and madness of the capitalist machine.
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:36am
George - there were some very heavy scenes back then. The race riots were the culmination of decades of abuse and oppression.
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:37am
Burghal - I'll get round to it.
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:39am
Cliff - it must have looked pretty weird to a kid back in those days. The generation gap was enormous and the war was on TV all day. The riots raged. But I hitched round the States in 71 and there was a real camaraderie among the long hairs. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:44am
Patrick - I think HIV certainly had an impact on the free love attitude but I don't think it had too much long term effect. Teaching in High School on Sex Ed I know the kids (majority) were very sexually active. There is a different, and generally more healthy, attitude towards sex. STDs were something to be aware off and take precautions over but by no means put a stop to sexual activity. The sexual revolution lives on.
As for hitching - I reckon it always had a danger to it. That's what gave it its spice. It's probably more dangerous now as less people do it.
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:46am
Patrick - I visited Vietnam this year and stayed there a few years ago. Seemed crazy to me that one minute we're bombing the hell out of it and the next minute we're friends. Talking to the people there are a lot of mixed feelings.
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:48am
TCM - not my experience. Of course there were a lot of people who were in it for the drugs and sex but it was so much more than that - a new and far better philosophy of life based on community, sharing and meaningful existence.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 8:20am
Opher
 
Yep. And while nobody's hitching here in Switzerland anymore I hitched all around at any hour in the Seventies. My girlfriend hitched back home at 12pm from my parents place at 15, and even in 1980 we hitched the length of New Zealand for 2 months back and forth. No problem and never any hotel fees we could stay over EACH time. I loved this country. When we quit to Tahiti after a year we had new family there and I was crying in the plane. Flying to pacific paradise and cry ? People thought we were nuts :)
 
RJGnyc Added Jul 31, 2017 - 9:31am
Nice reading the recollections of my peers and near-peers.  I was old enough to have to register, was in the draft lottery (got a high number), went to the draft board to get a CO and be a medic (turned down! - because they had to save up COs for non-students who applied).  Like my friends, I missed out on most of the rampant sex and drugs that were supposedly taking place all around me, even when I lived in San Francisco (the Haight of course; it was almost a requirement to do your time there if you were counter-cultural).
To this day, I think, we are paying for the ethical-moral change that entered politics with Nixon's administration.  Now?  No-holds-barred.  Scorched-Earth.  Enemies lists.  Any lie is fine if it wins the election.  All poor language and personal attacks are permitted.
I disagree with those who say that US politics has always been like this; while there are some outliers (e.g. Jefferson/Adams) the norms that have been broken began under Nixon and the national political scene has descended since then.
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 10:29am
Born in 1952. So I was a little young for the full frontal attack or so I thought. Early 60's began in upstate New York. Definite split between what were called hoods and (honestly forget what the other side was called. I remember a street fight on the highway in front on the high school I went to that turned into an absolute rumble with two schools fighting it out in the middle of the highway. Cops called and things like switchblades and a few zipguns were confiscated. A month later moved to DC. Culture shock. Kicked out of school my first day for fighting. The names of factions changes to jocks and stoner. Spent more time wandering in downtown DC than I did in class. Went to the gallery in Congress a lot to watch the insanity. Also the Smithsonian. 
 
Music. Loved and still do love the precursor to metal. That was surf music. That iconic run of the opening of Pipeline caught my interest.  I would watch the surf movies to see if Dick Dale was playing and a lot of times he was. While most local bands were trying to perfect Wipeout I was bored with that. Beatles were good as they somewhat represented a change. Then the Rolling Stones with what I consider one of their best. No not Satisfaction but The last time. That haunting riff which I still love to listen to and play. September 1967 came home from football practice.  Yes In was a jock that hung out with other jocks and stoners.  But got home and turned on the radio. That opening chord and the thundering jet plane drums of I Can See For Miles debuted. Then we got to the Doors. I was gone and others. Lifted weights to the sounds of The Mothers of Invention. Eric, Carlos, Pete led to Jimmy and Jeff in the 70's. Duane and so many more. Still love swing music. Bobby Darin Ray Charles. etc. Soul music to me is deeper and better than what is now considered Motown. Although Aretha is the queen. There is a birth and evolution to the music scene as well as other venues. The Animals with their cutoff collar jackets and their driving sexual and sensual songs. Politics was exciting at the time but after all these decades it has become a total bore. It has become the same issues with different players. We have not progressed nor regressed we have become stagnant. 
Music tastes have grown. There is good music out there now although some say you have to look harder for it. I disagree. Classical, country, western swing, blues, jazz rock rap. All there some good some not so good. But the musicians and I mean the musicians are out there playing the 12 notes that got us to where we are today. 12 notes with different octaves and variations. It's a beautiful thing.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 10:43am
Ric
 
The Who
 
Was that the beginning of Punk or was it this:
 
The Kinks
 
...or this:
 
The Mickey Finn
 
I prefer the last one :-) Maybe because noone knows it ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 10:45am
BTW: At the end of the Sixties I was 12. So not quite up to date, really. But then - here in Switzerland it caught really on only around 1971.....;-)
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 10:45am
Maybe it was The Fuggs. I think punk grew out of the local kids playing in their garages and basements trying to learn more complicated things. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 10:49am
Kill for peace ;-)
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 10:54am
Been meaning to ask you Stone. What did you think of Golden Earring.
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 10:59am
It's also been said that punk might have grown out of that 3 chord monster hit at the time. Louie Louie by the Kingsman. 3 chords slurred lyrics. Etc.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 31, 2017 - 11:00am
WSU -
 
No longer in Ohio, moved from there 15 years ago to an area near South Bend, IN. I lived in central Ohio, Columbus area, but have travelled throughout the state on business over the years.
George N Romey Added Jul 31, 2017 - 11:07am
I suspect at least here in the US the way in which early Baby Boomers embraced unbridled capitalism in the 1980s a lot of the "change the world for the better" in the 60s was no more than a ruse to do drugs, get laid and of course avoid getting sent to Vietnam.
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 11:15am
I'm waiting for someone to compose an opera in rap. LOL.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 12:59pm
Ric
 
https://youtu.be/vsgKxIc_ciw
 
No, not Radar Love ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:03pm
Badfinger
 
Another underrated band of the early Seventies...
Michael Cikraji Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:16pm
I was born in '76, gen-X. I always have had a bit of a hatred for you boomers, which I think is kinda normal: we all tend to rebel against our parents' generation. You guys certainly did!
When I was a kid I found it harder to rebel than what you boomers did.
I found it kind of hypocritical that your generation that condemned materialism, freely used drugs, fornicated openly and loved rock music were to condemn my generation for partying with sort of a stern paternalism.
I always connected more with my grandparents' generation, The Greatest Generation. To me, it just always seemed that the boomers were just the big party poopers.... 
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:37pm
Not radar love either but so like Twilight Zone.
Cliff M. Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:41pm
Stone, "If you want it come and get it". Gave me flashbacks.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:43pm
Michael
 
When I was a kid I found it harder to rebel than what you boomers did.
 
I get you, and you're right. We HAD it easier back then, and we HAD jobs wherever we wanted - or not. And we could save up and travel more easily.
 
But finally: What is life more than enjoying yourself with GOOD friends ? But today we're erroneously thinking that more buying brings more joy....
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:45pm
Not a fan of Badfinger.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:47pm
Cliff / Ric
 
LOL I'm not a fan of them on all stuff, but I like that song, and the one called "Timeless". It's like a following of the Beatles' "I want you"...;-)
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:49pm
I was getting into other stuff then. Zeppelin Jeff Beck Blues of 20's 30'sand 40's swing bluegrass.
Michael Cikraji Added Jul 31, 2017 - 1:53pm
Stone,
You say:
What is life more than enjoying yourself with GOOD friends ?
I have to say, that is a generational concept there. I think that us Gen-Xers and the Greatest Generation have it in our minds that life is about trying to do great, unparalleled things: for the Greatest Gen, it was planning the moon landing, for Gen-Xers it is planning on going to Mars.
 
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:00pm
Good call Michael. But how do you combat what seems to be the prevailing opinion that space travel is unnecessary and too expensive.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:00pm
Michael
 
We try to go further and further without appreciating and even destroying what we have. Such a shortsighted view .... ;-)
 
BTW: Would you like to live on a barren red planet without atmosphere under a glass bubble ? I wouldn't....our mind would go crazy. We can't change our genes that rapidly to be able to absorb such a change mentally sane.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:02pm
BTW: Even when such would be possible, we would carry on our primitive bahavior there too. And what after Mars ? A Jupiter moon or out to the Oort cloud ?
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:02pm
Stone it seemed to me that your statement that we are destroying what we have further facilitates the need for space exploration Mars and beyond.
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:04pm
Humans are explorers by nature and what a frontier to investigate. Would I live under a gkass bubble. Sometimes I yhink it beats the alternative of watching this planet disintegrate.
RJGnyc Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:08pm
I would not attribute anything posted online as representative of an entire generation.  The 60s generation was not simply about good times, free love, drugs, etc.  It was a generation that set out to change the world for the better.  We tried.  Some stuff stuck (hence the "organic!" labels on food).  Some stuff didn't stick (hence trump).
Sorry for those Gen-X kids whose parents were "holier-than-thou" about personal choices -- but the Greatest Generation was even more judgmental and restrictive with their kids.  It generally comes from trying to help your child avoid your mistakes.
Re the idea that you could work if you wanted to -- in what universe?  By the end of Nixon's first term, jobs were so scarce that I spent my first year out of college juggling several simultaneous p/t jobs just to pay the rent.
Michael Cikraji Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:12pm
Ric,
Great comments.
Sorry Stone, you're right, which means we have to expand. We're like locusts... 
Yea, Mars right now is a pretty nasty place to live, but it's practice. Stone, Too far? Too hard? That's your lazy generation speaking. We have found many potentially hospitable planets out there, it's just a matter of getting there that's the problem. But keep in mind, for the Greatest Generation, in the course of ONE lifetime, the fastest a human can travel went from wagon train to supersonic jet aircraft...
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:13pm
Ric
 
We're not clever enough to survive on another planet. We're not SOCIAL enough. It will always end in fights. And when someone thinks he can live by generations on another planet without atmosphere and water, he's badly mistaken. Evolution needed about 10 millions of years to get us to where we are.
 
Our ego is bigger than our brain. If not, there wouldn't be injustice or war HERE.
Eileen de Bruin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 2:43pm
I remember my parents being from the twenties and thirties. They looked on in surprised amazement. Our neighbours, as parents, were from the late thirties and they enjoyed the rocking time of the sixties. So many new fashions, colours and psychedelic and whacky high patterened clothing emerged. It turned the world into a much brighter place and everything, especially peace and freedom, seemed possible.
 
As a young girl in 1968, my favourite bell bottoms were orange and black and with a very loid pattern! The blouses were long cuffed, brightly coloured and bellowy with curved edged collars! I must have looked like a right twonker, but I loved it! Moving into the seventies, the mood came with us somewhat and it was definitely of the rebel and challenge authority. So, there I was, a rebel with or without a cause, which shapes my character to this day!
 
And today, in the UK, the new order is anything but egalitarian, rather worse than it was before the sixties! And much more dangerous. No dreams of peace any,ore. Jingoistic, divisive and nasty. Oh, bugger.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 3:43pm
Eileen
 
Unfortunately....!
opher goodwin Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:30pm
SEF - I used to enjoy hitching. I met all-sorts. It was fun. Never got killed once!!
wsucram15 Added Jul 31, 2017 - 4:50pm
Opher;
I dont think people that were alive in the 60s, just observed it. But perhaps.
Oddly enough, my sister was 15 years my senior and my brother 16 years my senior.  Now in the 60s, as I said, it was personal experiences I remember mostly. I remember segregated buses and went to an all white school.   I remember the riot in Baltimore because we drove right through it and got our car attacked picking up my Father from work, he was a cop.  It had a profound affect on me and is probably why I feel the way I do about the cultural divide.
 
I definitely remember hatred towards black people as my mothers best friend was the Dean of Morgan State Womens College, Ms Thelma Bando and her husband also worked there.  They were lifelong friends of hers.
 
 
I watched what happened to my soft spoken well read brother when he came home from Vietnam. I experienced that with him as the first drugs I did were in his apartment. The very first Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd I ever heard was while I was doing those drugs.  He was a survivalist when he came back and much harder.  I learned a lot from him,  those things helped me throughout my life. I remember watching the Kent State Riots on tv, knowing I was the only one that knew my sister and cousins were there.
 
I remember the 60s as tumultuous (except for my Grandmother and sister) and the early 70s as a carry over and I always appreciated the people that did the civil disobedience and also went to war.  The drugs and music were a way to deal with and fight it.  Personally I know my music and protesting I inherited, and were life long passions surpassed only by my children whom I gave those same passions to. 
 
 
TBH- Ive been all over Ohio..Columbus is a mecca.   I always liked Cincinnati because of the Ohio River.  It was pretty at night that I recall.  I havent been back since my friend Kathy died in 2011, she was hit by a drunk driver.  One of the best people I have ever known.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Jul 31, 2017 - 6:27pm
Never got killed once!!
 
LOOOL :-)
Ric Wells Added Jul 31, 2017 - 6:34pm
I remember hitchhiking up and down the east coast sleeping in fields and barns doing chores for farmers for food. All when I was 15 years old.
JJ Montagnier Added Jul 31, 2017 - 7:08pm
I was born in the very late late sixties, so I can just about call myself "a sixties child", but I was a wee baby then! Gen X all the way! 
George N Romey Added Jul 31, 2017 - 7:47pm
Jeanne I remember summer of 1967, Rivera Beach Maryland.  I had a new bike.  I'd bike to the beaches with friends.  Bike all over the neighborhood.   Seven years old and out with friends all day. Understood we don't speak to strangers.  Run to the closest house if we felt in danger.  Compare that freedom to today.
wsucram15 Added Jul 31, 2017 - 10:55pm
George,
In MD up until I was 8, we had a normal middle class life and I guess I should remember good stuff about those times and if I tried hard enough, I probably could.  We lived in a nice house (its still a nice home really) and lots of property with a pool and a park behind the house. We had a dog named Smokey and I loved horses even then, I rode occasionally and my room was plastered in posters.  I had a bike, Ive seen pictures of it, but I really dont remember it.  I kept to myself quite a bit back then, except for cousins and family friends.  I was quiet back then.
 
But later in Ohio, I do remember being out well after dark playing with friends.  It was different there , schools, neighborhoods, people, everything.  My quiet period ended shortly after coming to Ohio and has never stopped.
wsucram15 Added Jul 31, 2017 - 11:04pm
Ric..when I was 18, I drove but I did help a few people a long the way cross country to make a few bucks here and there.
 
You cannot compare then to today...in any way and I can give you specific examples of that.  I did some crazy stuff back then that kids today would definitely get arrested or beaten half to death for. I never stole anything or hurt anyone..just bored.  But I had a blast and back then, I just dont think they knew what to do yet and they also found some of these things funny. So they would take you home or tell you to go home.
 
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 4:04am
I think there were a lot of ingredients that went into Punk - the Sonics were a garage band that summed up the style for me with tracks like The Witch - I have an album - five great guys - three great chords. Then there was the aggression of Iggy and the Stooges and the MC5, the New York Scene with the New York Dolls.
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 4:10am
Michael - I guess you had to be there. The 60s generation were into a lot more than drugs and sex. Society at that time was so stifled you could not breathe. There was no room for fun. You had your place, your clothes, your class, your job all laid out for you. It was so conforming, hypocritical and uptight. A generation came along and said we're not going to do that. We want to dress different, we want freedom, we want to have a more meaningful life. Then it all went pear-shaped.
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 4:11am
SEF - you're right - it is about friends, love and getting together - not things.
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 4:21am
wsu - you see my experience was totally different. We didn't have the draft in Britain. We didn't have lots of badly injured or heavily traumatised people coming back from the war. We didn't have the same degree of racism. We hadn't had slavery here or segregation. We didn't have guns. We didn't have the same extremes as the States.
The sixties for me was an opening of liberalised ideas - all night talking philosophy, sci-fi, social reform, gabbing and creating, thinking about a new world. We were rewriting the rules. Listening to music and sharing. I could walk down the street and see a long-hair and we'd immediately have things to talk about. We'd share food. We had a dream of a community. We made our own clothes. We got together.
The establishment didn't like it. They could not exploit or sell things to us. I only used money to buy basic foods, go to gigs, put petrol in my bike and buy LPs. I wasn't a good consumer.
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 4:22am
Ric - that lack of materialism was a big part of the sixties - to be free of the money machine - to be self-sufficient.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 1, 2017 - 4:43am
Opher
 
I'm not a big consumer even now. I used all my money to see the world LOL
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 8:27am
SEF - I consume CDs!! I also use my retirement to see the world.
Michael Cikraji Added Aug 1, 2017 - 8:43am
opher,
Please don't take my criticisms personally, I think it's more of a generational gap. But you mention:
 
Michael - I guess you had to be there. The 60s generation were into a lot more than drugs and sex. Society at that time was so stifled you could not breathe. There was no room for fun.
 
I think this quote above exemplifies what was wrong with your generation. The stifling environment that you talk about was intentionally created by your parents, the Greatest Generation. That generation suffered greatly during the Great Depression, they fought and won the greatest war in history. They successfully conquered the moon!
For your generation to try to destroy the clean, orderly America that they fought so hard to preserve, protect and nurture because it wasn't so much "fun" illuminates how selfish, egotistical and hedonistic your generation is!
 
 
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 1, 2017 - 8:52am
The 60's were before my time, but any a time of idealism, and upheaval, alternately a time of anarchy and social betterment, and most importantly it gave us the civil rights movement.
Jefferson Airplane summed it up well:
We were so young and so free
The Summer Of Love that I was a part of
We had so many dreams
And even a few of them came true it seems
I still believe in all the music, and it's still playing
I still believe in all the words, ya I'm still saying
I still believe in all the people, they were really great
And I get to thinking back to where we all once were
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 9:00am
Michael - I'm British. But no - it wasn't selfish. It was a rejection of a pointless, hypocritical way of life that was controlled, drab and meaningless. My generation wanted something more meaningful, vibrant and fair.
The previous generation were hopelessly exploited and downtrodden. It was rampant with racism and arrogance. They looked down on all other cultures with disdain. The poverty was excruciating. My Mum talked of kids going to school with rags around their feet. The profits were being siphoned off.
We wanted something better.
The clean orderly America you talk of depended on segregation and exploitation, was full of paranoia and warmongery - Korea, Vietnam and expansionism into South America, Middle East and Africa. It was an empty life for most people - mowing the grass and polishing the car, wearing the same clothes as their parents, going to church and keeping the poor whites, black and Mexicans down. The Ku Klux Klan and McCarthy, organised crime, gangsters and a wealthy elite creaming it all off the top - hardly an idyll was it?
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 9:10am
Michael - you know - on reflection - I think the major thing about our generation was that we questioned authority. My parents were subservient to bosses and politicians. My generation asked why and demanded answers. We did not swallow the lies. We questioned our teachers beating us with canes, our politicians sending us to war, the hypocrisy we saw in religion, the inequality, civil rights and social injustice, the way the environment was raped. We thought it was wrong.
wsucram15 Added Aug 1, 2017 - 9:15am
Opher-
I understand that, it was a different place and you were older. My family was dysfunctional.  My older brother and sister were not, but I am sure they had fun during those times to some degree.  My brother was not in Vietnam the entirety of the 60s and my sister didnt protest the entire time.
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 9:41am
wsu - no generation is homogenous. It is made up of people with different views, aspirations and attitudes. It is just that they tend to get put under the same umbrella.
My family was brilliant.
Michael Cikraji Added Aug 1, 2017 - 12:02pm
opher,
Again, I mean nothing personal in my comments, you seem like a good guy.
Every generation has it's problems, but particularly given that you're British, I'd say that your parent's generation did pretty well with things.... considering. I think they'd say that the intangible things like freedom unfortunately have to take a back seat when you're concentrating on getting your family into air raid shelters during the Blitz. Imagine walking down your street, covered in rubble, your family, friends, neighbors mutilated in body bags... all because of some screaming asshole in Germany.
What a terrifying time, and what heroes they all were! Shame on your generation for taking the security and peace they fought for for granted! 
opher goodwin Added Aug 1, 2017 - 12:23pm
No Michael - My Mum loved the sixties. She said it was her favourite time - a time of optimism and fun after the bleakness of the war. My dad was more reticent but did not condemn it at all.
They both had their tales of the war - friends killed, bombs, shrapnel and austerity. It made them more socially conscious.
My dad fought in Sicily and Italy. My mum lived near London.
I don't think the sixties threw everything out - just the bad bits. What we started was the basis of a far better society. We did away with racism, inequality and raised awareness of environmental issues and gender issues. We were questioning the status quo which was, and is, corrupt. It needed/needs questioning. It is still corrupt. We looked at religions and spirituality and saw religion for what it was - a tool of the elite to help it exert its power.
The sixties was liberating, not selfish. 
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 1, 2017 - 12:27pm
Michael:
     I thought it was the people who shot JFK, RFK, MLK and Jack Ruby that ruined it?They didn't believe in Civil Rights. Guess what they believed in? 
That generation was rocked by those events and Vietnam.
john guzlowski Added Aug 2, 2017 - 6:19am
Ophir, thank you for this.  
 
It reads like a summary of much of my own 60s.  
 
The music, adventure, social consciousness, questioning of everything that needed to be question, a wondering that really never stopped.
 
And of course -- as people note above -- there was the dark side. 
 
We were living in a war.  I had friends who were drafted or enlisted.  Some didn't come home.  Some came home but never came home.
 
And around me -- living in Chicago -- there were race riots and house burnings.  My parents own house was burned to the ground during a period of racial trouble.
 
And there were people around who remembered the 1940s.  Veterans and refugees and survivors who had lost everything and could never regain what they had lost.
 
You and I listened to the Stones and the Beatles while others listened to different voices.  
opher goodwin Added Aug 2, 2017 - 6:31am
I think you are right John - I particularly liked - questioning of everything that needed to be questioned, a wondering that really never stopped.
That is how it was and is for me.
The Burghal Hidage Added Aug 2, 2017 - 7:00am
The boomers have their share of good and bad, like any other generation. It is just magnified by their sheer multitude. And there is a certain amount of the generation that was overshadowed by the generation before it. The 60s generation (the boomers) wanted so much to chuck out the bad of their predecessors that they sometimes went too far and ended up pitching some of the good with it.
There were certainly those of the war generation who saw what needed to be discarded. Many if them in fact and it was because of the cataclysm that was their formative years. I can even cite a stellar example for you. Ever hear of a fella by the name of Kurt Vonnegut?
opher goodwin Added Aug 2, 2017 - 8:10am
Yes I would agree with that.
Kurt Vonnegut Jnr is one of my favourite writers!! Love him.
Don Added Aug 2, 2017 - 7:26pm
Walked into into the graduate class I was teaching to find a big drawing of me climbing out of a box. Those 60's kids knew they were getting to the Prof.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 3, 2017 - 6:11pm
John
 
Sad. I'm glad I was spared of that war shit in Europe. But apparently people in the US take it as normal to be involved in war somewhere.
 
Sad.
Shane Laing Added Aug 4, 2017 - 3:23am
Born in 61, remembering the beatles singing along to when I'm 64. The stones, kinks, going on holiday to Devon being a real treat. My parents buying a tv and watching absolutely enthralled as Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon. Great days indeed. By 1970 my world had gone to rats shit but the 60s were good for me. 
Eileen de Bruin Added Aug 4, 2017 - 3:43am
SEF yes our egos are bigger than our brains because if those drivers frommthe sixties, as in the ideals and the striving, had been followed through, then....then...what?
 
Those rockers and drop,outs dropped right back in and made good lives for themselves carrying on with the music and the intellectual dinners, but putting self elevation and career over the moral issues.
 
It was a fun time, but also a very telling time from the States. We had a tv in 1963 and I remember it being turned on immediately that the bbc radio announcer came in with the bulletin about JFK. I remember my Mum crying saying that this was very evil and there was a whole mood of darkness. The next day my Uncle and Aunty were getting married so it all sticks in my mind.
 
That decade has not yet revealed all of its secreta, with Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy being murdered in 1968. These were the idealists and genuine people of integrity who did believe in more than themselves and who had something to offer. 
 
It would be interesting if those archives from Jackie Kennedy could be yet revealed, but I fear that they are locked away for a few more decades yet.
 
 
 
opher goodwin Added Aug 5, 2017 - 8:12am
Eileen - you are right - they were bought off.
It was a turbulent decade wasn't it?
George N Romey Added Aug 5, 2017 - 8:54am
Eileen I believe that the real story of the deaths of both Kennedys and MLK will come out after everyone from that era is dead and forgotten.  Even now something like 70% of Americans no longer believe the "official story" about their deaths.
John Minehan Added Aug 5, 2017 - 9:47am
"So it goes . . . "
opher goodwin Added Aug 5, 2017 - 11:30am
George - all covered up.
opher goodwin Added Aug 5, 2017 - 11:31am
John - same old story.
Eileen de Bruin Added Aug 5, 2017 - 2:35pm
Opher and George and John, so what is the true story then?
 
Jackie Kennedy was living with secrets and that is why she archived, with pre conditions, those facts and anecdotes. She married Onassis and got the protection and untouchability she needed, but she knew so much.
 
Robert Kennedy was running for president and was the finest attorney general in the history of the US. He was a man of principles and he made things happen. Martin Luther was of this ilk. And they were both murdered.
 
I know that the film with Kevin Costner in 1992 about the court case and examination of the true facts, was very well presented.
 
Whilst the sixties was rocking and freedom and peace filled, the wars went on and the Kennedies were being weakened, and the man whose dream was so potent, MLK, was murdered also.
 
What happened please?
John Minehan Added Aug 5, 2017 - 2:42pm
“The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.”     Earnest Hemingway, A Farewell To Arms.
 
You don't need a conspiracy, it is just human nature.
opher goodwin Added Aug 5, 2017 - 3:02pm
John - Great Hemmingway quote!
Eileen de Bruin Added Aug 6, 2017 - 3:42am
John, yes indeed a great quote on the way of the world from Hemingway. "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee", John Donne.
 
So the sixties was rich with change and ideals and high expectations, alongside the Vietnam war and the cold war and the iron curtain. Lots of fun tv programmes came out of the US and we loved the Brady bunch and Bewitched and Bonanza and High Chapparal and so many more! In the UK, we had this goggle eyed view of American life with huge houses, kitchens and all manner of domestic comforts as well as huge cars ( yankee cars we would say). The land of dreams and the place to go to. And we had James Bond! And Simon Temple and The Avengers!
 
The movie industry was great and the music scene and everybody seemed to be having a great time, San Francisco and flower power and New York the place for the super rich rock stars. Intellect and creativity seemed to be prized above orthodoxy.
 
Still, in the 1960's a woman living alone in the UK, couldn't get a mortgage and, I now realise, the health services were very basic and I shudder as I recall the trips to the dentist!  We really did see the US as the place to be.
 
And I had my bell bottoms!...which turned into loons as we hit the seventies.
opher goodwin Added Aug 6, 2017 - 10:54am
Eileen - looking back on women's rights it makes you realise that we have come a way.
Oh - I remember those terrible trips to the dentist with those slow drills!! Aaaaaah!!!
I used to fray out the ends of my flares to create fringes and I sewed on random bits of fabric to cover holes.
My memories of TV were Monty Python, Marty Feldman and the Prisoner.
America was so much wealthier. We were still staggering out of the Second world War. Everything was bigger out there.
john guzlowski Added Aug 6, 2017 - 11:00am
The 60s?
 
I took acid 3 times, cocaine 2 times, pot about 5 times a week for 6 years, vodka/beer/tequila every day.
 
I smoked too.  A pack a day.  A pack was about 25 cents when I started.
 
I also drank about 10 cups of coffee a day.
 
I don't think I ever slept.  
 
Most of the time at night I lay in bed, drunk and stoned and coffeed up and listened to the Doors.
 
"This is the end, my friend.  This is the end."
 
I believed it and didn't care.  
 
 
opher goodwin Added Aug 6, 2017 - 11:31am
That sounds quite a depressive experience John. Didn't you get out and about? Have friends? A love life?
I used to love the Doors though.
Cliff M. Added Aug 6, 2017 - 6:36pm
Eileen, Even though slavery ended with the Civil war the country still remained highly segregated. Many conservatives especially from the south were extremely jealous of the traction MLK was getting in the civil rights movement. JFK was the first catholic to be elected President and broke a long standing tradition. John and Robert Kennedy owed a lot of favors to some highly suspect people who helped get them into office. Many believe JFk was killed in retribution by the mob for double crossing them on the favors they did to get him elected.
Cliff M. Added Aug 6, 2017 - 6:41pm
Sef, Just listen to the song "Fortunate Son" from creedence clearwater revival to get the feeling of the kids from the Vietnam war era.
Cliff M. Added Aug 6, 2017 - 6:56pm
Another good tune by Buffallo Springfield in 1967 was For What it's Worth. Utube is loaded with songs from the Vietnam War era.
John Minehan Added Aug 6, 2017 - 7:47pm
"[A]nd we loved the Brady bunch and Bewitched and Bonanza and High Chapparal and so many more!"
 
Brady Bunch was fairly late in the game, its first season was 1969-'70. 
 
High Chaparral was also a bit late, its first Season was 1967-'68.  I always liked that show. 
 
Looking back, it was ahead of its time with its blended family dynamic.  I also thought the production team gave the show gravitas  by clearly presenting John Cannon as marrying Victoria Montoya, after his wife dies, only because he needs an alliance with her father Don Diego Montoya, the "Lion of Sonora" to protect his ranch from the Apache. 
 
John and Victoria's marriage of convenience and alliance evolves over the show.   The friendship of John's brother, Buck, and Victoria's brother, Manuelito, both men being capable, able and somewhat wild and unpredictable, made the show work in many ways.
 
Bonanza covered the entire 1960s, running from 1959-'73.  The guy who created The High Chaparral was a show runner on Bonanza, but left to create the other program. 
 
I thought High Chaparral was a little more "organic," it seemed less contrived.  But Bonanza did a lot of thought provoking shows (even if it got a bit repetitive over 14 years), such as the one from maybe 1962 where Hoss almost marries a woman with a major gambling addiction.  (Dan Blocker's sincere, steady, decent . . . but far from brilliant . . . Hoss, made the show work.  Ironically, Blocker had two Master's Degrees and a lot of work towards a Ph.D. in English Lit and was a former 1SG in an Army Military Intelligence unit in Korea.) 
 
Bewitched also covered a lot of the 1960s, running from 1964-'72.   Elizabeth Montgomery produced the show with her husband, William Asher, so they could have a more stable life for a while  and have kids, a somewhat '60s back story in itself.  Montgomery was both a talented (and very personable) comic actor and, as she reminded people after the show ended, was also a solid dramatic actress.
 
A 1963 neo-noir, Johnny Cool,  she made with Bill Asher right before Bewitched, is also a nice bit of early 1960s nostalgia and a sign of Montgomery's range, playing a personable, but ultimately amoral, socialite               
opher goodwin Added Aug 7, 2017 - 5:05am
Cliff/Katharine - there was a lot of underhand business going on in that JFK presidency - very rich powerful people - but I guess there usually is. The Mafia connections? Who knows. JFK has been rather lauded because of his untimely death and the suspect things glossed over. He took the US into the Vietnam war didn't he?
opher goodwin Added Aug 7, 2017 - 5:07am
Cliff - two great songs from that period - I'd add Neil Young's (CSN&Y) Ohio - the Doors Unknown Soldier and Country Joe and the Fish's Untitled Protest.
opher goodwin Added Aug 7, 2017 - 5:08am
John - our telly was a bit different in Britain.
opher goodwin Added Aug 7, 2017 - 5:12am
Cliff - Slavery hasn't really gone away has it? It still impacts today. When the blacks were freed they were still tied to the same conditions. Nothing much changed. There was strict apartheid. Then they migrated to northern cities and were in factory work (car lines etc) and ghettoised in poor housing with extreme violence and racism.
Randy Newman summed it up with his song Rednecks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o80BB0qZoVM
Cliff M. Added Aug 7, 2017 - 9:05am
opher, As far as I can tell the mob connection with JFK was when he got his friend Frank Sinatra to enlist the help of Sam Giancana, the Chicago mob boss to help get him elected. He was supposedly given immunity which was later revoked.
Cliff M. Added Aug 7, 2017 - 9:09am
Eisenhower sent military advisor's in 1955 to help train the vietnam army.
Eileen de Bruin Added Aug 7, 2017 - 12:23pm
Opher, this is great!  Look at how much happened to us and how much we were influenced and formed in the sixties!  
 
Cliff M, really? I suppose that there is no clean way to get to the top. I am still affected by Robert Kennedy's life and a quote he made in 1968 is just so beautiful. it reveals a deeply developed person.
 
John M, wow, those shows were so mich fun!  I loved Little Joe and Hoss. I hadn't realised the full, underlying politics there in High Chaparral..... What about the Big Valley with Barbra Stanwyck?
Eileen de Bruin Added Aug 7, 2017 - 12:24pm
Oh and John Guzlowski, that is an honest to goodness account! It makes me laugh out loud, you honest guy!
opher goodwin Added Aug 7, 2017 - 2:32pm
Cliff - But didn't Kennedy escalate that?
opher goodwin Added Aug 7, 2017 - 2:33pm
Eileen - I too find it amazing. What a life we have had.