The Beat Goes on XVII

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Sometimes a gal just needs to vent.  The following are the top four things that piss me off about Writer Beat/people:

 

  1. People don’t focus. I’ve written the following sentence thousands of times “Please note, the second best way to draw more attention to your work is to comment on the work of others.” Guess how many times someone has asked “What’s the first best way?”  Answer: Zero.  This proves to me that people don’t read with the intention of comprehending or are way to scatter-brain to focus on anything. 

 

  1. People are selfish. The number of people who actively comment on the work of others I can count on one hand.  The number of people who contribute content but have never commented on the work of someone else, number in the thousands and growing fast.

 

  1. People are lazy. Many long time users of this site have never explored the few clickable icons here. If they had, they wouldn’t be so confused about how the site is structured and why some articles appear prominently and others don’t.

 

  1. People are hypocrites. I get tons of complaints about behavior of others. However, all I need to do is look up the comment thread of a complainer and I always find ample evidence of them doing the very same thing they’re complaining about. 

Comments

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 3:01pm
Autumn
 
Don't take it too hard. WB is close to 19'000 articles ! You can be proud of that :-)
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 3:05pm
BTW: For some: LIKES make an article move upwards. Easy as that. Not only comments. And that's a good system. It means that people are interested in the subject, not especially if they LIKE the content ;-)
 
It only means: Hey, that one is good. READ it - and comment. To like an article can also mean that one doesn't agree but appreciates how it's written.
Leroy Added Aug 23, 2017 - 3:08pm
Is that the best you can do, Autumn?  Come on now, let's here some serious venting.  It will do you good.
Leroy Added Aug 23, 2017 - 3:10pm
“What’s the first best way?”
 
Ok, I'll bite.  What's the best way?
opher goodwin Added Aug 23, 2017 - 3:19pm
I find that hard to believe. This is a forum for debate. People need to debate and comment. If they are on here - Why don't they?
I have noted that even fewer press the like button. That makes the process of moving up the board rather arbitrary. I'm not even sure what the criteria are.
opher goodwin Added Aug 23, 2017 - 3:20pm
Leroy - I think I know what the best way is.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 3:30pm
Opher
 
We had a guy here once who apparently spent hours clicking the "actualize" browser button to 1000 and more views. Didn't help, though ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 3:31pm
BTW: If you EXACTLY knew the criteria the ranks would be fake...
Mircea Negres Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:04pm
People are scatter-brained, selfish, lazy, hypocritical. Amen, Autumn. I tried everything to get my acquaintances involved, but to no avail. A rant of mine, titled "In the valley of cyber" was aimed at them, actually. I e-mailed and WhatsApp-ed the link to the article, and got only two responses, so I decided "Bang, motherf$%^^&! You're cut off!" These days, I only send my stuff to people who bother to reply. As for WB, it's pretty much my literary home these days, with the exception of some articles I wrote for Billy Roper's site which wouldn't have worked here, so I read, comment, write and "Like" when it's likeable, but often wish the people I know hadn't been too everything you mentioned to join the site or even let me know what they thought. Oh, this damned ADHD-saddled modern world...   
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:07pm
Mircea
 
ADHD ? Alone Dictating Horseshit Digitally ?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:08pm
BTW:
 
People are scatter-brained, selfish, lazy, hypocritical
 
So they are human. Comforting LOL
EXPAT Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:20pm
What pisses me off Autumn; is people who think people are people!
Every INDIVIDUAL who passes through this site, is a compilation of experiences and aptitudes! We the people, run the spectrum of mankind! (mankind includes male, female and imagination)
 
Perceptions are reality on WB. And that leaves everything up to interpretation. Some people WANT to discuss other ideas, some only wish to present theirs.
 
When I have an idea to present, it comes at the spur of the moment. Sometimes 2 or 3 days in a row, Sometimes not for weeks. Rules get in the way of creativity.
 
I have expressed my belief many times that GOOD writing inspires comments, and good comments inspire discussion. Good of course is subjective, but contributors should be encouraged to edit their work and present well considered IDEAS, not just copy/paste their ideology, or list one line insults. There are a few that only post one or two line insults by the dozens.
 
I never use your recommendations selection. Likes only indicate a viewer agrees with an author. If I want agreement, I'll go to the Bar and buy everyone a drink! For me. the like button doesn't exist, except to click my own work. Ha Ha
 
I think comments are a better indicator of Good writing. I also think that an active article should be on the top of the list for as long as it is active. Good Articles fade into oblivion (out of the top 20) even when comments are still vibrant, and the subject timely.
 
Well, we have both vented our frustrations with WB. You have not agreed with me in the past, but I find ways to get satisfaction from WB. I tried other sites, and each has it's frustrations and rewards.
 
I am not sure what your goal for WB is other than to build up your click count with comments in order to sell advertising.
You must get some sort of satisfaction by providing a platform of expression. You've been expending great effort and cost to keep this site alive! Perhaps a secondary goal could be to reward that satisfaction more than count comments.
What is your personal goal Autumn? Perhaps we can help relieve your frustration.
John G Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:24pm
There's a difference between stalking and reacting and interacting robustly.
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:31pm
I'm just glad for a forum where I'm assured of some readers who actually do respond. Don't always like their responses, but am hesitant to delete posts except in the case of egregious attacking trolling.
 
Keep it going even though it is frustrating. I certainly appreciate this site.
EXPAT Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:33pm
P.S. I didn't click your LIKE button either!
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:41pm
EABC
 
Yep. I tried different sites like minds.com. Pretty sleepy minds there, 0 replies at all, and on another, US message board all I've read is fuck you asshole who do you think you are reps are bullshit dems are all assholes etc.
 
All quiet here. I like it. I won't go on another blog anymore, and if I'd quit here I won't look for another one, 'cos life can happen without blogs as well ;-)
Mircea Negres Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:44pm
Stone-Eater, he he, it's the acronym for Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder. In my book that mouthful merely says "garden variety less than sapient homo sapiens with serious FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) and nearly complete lack of judgement, unable and/or unwilling to read more than five words". Yeah, that was another mouthful, but what the hell, we're prolific writers...
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:46pm
BTW: I just would like it to be more international. I've tried, but either I was replied that WB "is a reactionary racist site with no manners" or people told me sorry, my English is not good enough. Or: Too US oriented - I'd feel strange. So what could I do ? Not much more, I guess :-(
Dino Manalis Added Aug 23, 2017 - 4:59pm
When someone replies to an article or comment, the other person should automatically receive an email to trigger more conversation.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 23, 2017 - 5:11pm
Dino
 
No good. Why ? It would prevent people to read ALL the comments BEFORE. And that would destroy the flow of the thread. But then - no guarantee ;-)
Autumn Cote Added Aug 23, 2017 - 6:16pm
Opher,
I’m confused by your response, are you saying you’re unsure what the criteria is for moving up in the order?
 
Mircea,
Despite my bitching, I like people, I just wish more of them would decide to use Writer Beat.
 
Dino,
What’s 2 + 2?  The reason I ask the question is because I don’t believe you ever read any of the responses you receive.  I also don’t think you read any of the articles, just the titles to the articles. 
 
Expat,
I’m not sure if I followed your vent, just what is it that you’re suggesting I do?  As for goals, my goal is to get as many people using this site as possible to the point I can quit my job and work for Writer Beat full-time.  I believe the best way to accomplish that goal is to reward people with comments.  The best way to relieve my frustration is to comment on the work of others.  Speaking of which, the following newbies could use some feedback:
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18528-Watching-People-Watch-The-Eclipse-Was-Part-Of-The-Fun-
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18529-Equality-ne-Equal-Quality
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Aug 23, 2017 - 6:24pm
I have no problem "liking" an article if I like it. I don't see the big deal. One person begged for a like ("Maybe like this post?") no one else had liked it, and I liked the author's little dog avatar, so I liked it, so what. No one else ever did, which I thought was rude, especially to a new person, but whatever.
 
There have been a couple asshat writers here who I absolutely HATE so I liked everyone's articles that were below the asshat's article, until it disappeared from the top 20. Did that a few times, it always brings a smile to my face, LOL! 
EXPAT Added Aug 23, 2017 - 6:58pm
Jenifer is the perfect example of why LIKES mean nothing! It is heartwarming to know I incite such passion in a bewildered child!
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Aug 23, 2017 - 7:05pm
Don't be jealous that I just figured out how to use the system for my own purposes Expat! 
EXPAT Added Aug 23, 2017 - 7:09pm
I’m not sure if I followed your vent, just what is it that you’re suggesting I do?  As for goals, my goal is to get as many people using this site as possible to the point I can quit my job and work for Writer Beat full-time
 
If your only motivation is to make money, then do nothing! I was hoping you had some higher purpose.
 
I write because I like the interaction both positive and negative. Where else could I control weak minds, and not get into a fist fight?
EXPAT Added Aug 23, 2017 - 7:11pm
I do not believe this is a money making business model!
wsucram15 Added Aug 23, 2017 - 7:37pm
Commenting is the best part of the page...
I know you like commenting on new writers, we all try that. Well many of us do.
Its not difficult to figure out how the site works...come on.
and we all disagree...most of us get over it.
Autumn Cote Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:09pm
Expat,
You asked what my goal was not my motivation or purpose.  My motivation and purpose for starting Writer Beat has nothing to do with money.  I think the site is exactly the type of place a lot of people desire and need.  However, unless the site achieves some degree of financial success, my hunch will be wrong. Likes mean everything even if the reason one receives them is for the reason Jennifer stated.  Again, if you can think of a better way to sort the articles, I’m listening. 
William Stockton Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:17pm
opher,  "I have noted that even fewer press the like button. "
 
It's your articles.  They just suck . . . always race-baiting drivel.  The first sign of a really crappy author is that they always blame the reader.  Ding!
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:19pm
Remember no system is perfect Expat, someone will always find a way to exploit a vulnerability. But there are many worse methods to indicate approval for articles at other sites. Medium has just instituted a ridiculous "claps" system that replaces likes. Problem is you can give anyone you like a unlimited number of claps. I can easily see that getting abused in a very bad way. 
Utpal Patel Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:22pm
For whatever it's worth, I like most articles where I make a comment because I want people to read my comments.   
William Stockton Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:24pm
Frost,   Getting "likes" for an article you 100% plagiarized says nothing about you.  Says everything about the less than average IQ of the readers.  Hilarious.
 
Sad that I had to call your sorry ass out on your plagiarism.  If this website was tied to any money, you would have had threats of a lawsuit . . . so we just have put up with you intellectual frauds.
EXPAT Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:26pm
You're not listening. I stated that Quality comments, generate discussion, which brings more comments. The one line insults work to drive away participation as fast as you can attract it.
I NEVER see Likes exceed 10. But good articles bring hundreds of comments.
Jenifer says she uses likes as a weapon against those she dislikes. Do you really support that?
                                        

Jenifer Frost Added Aug 23, 2017 - 7:05pm





Don't be jealous that I just figured out how to use the system for my own purposes Expat! 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:28pm
William I had fully intended to credit the original source, I simply forgot before I hit send. I corrected the error as soon as I received your heads-up. But I'm sure you never make any mistakes, must be amazing to be perfect. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:30pm
Also, you clearly don't have any clue what amounts to a "threat". Saying what one would like to do, doesn't qualify as one BTW. 
Leroy Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:32pm
"It's your articles.  They just suck . . . always race-baiting drivel.  The first sign of a really crappy author is that they always blame the reader.  Ding!"
 
William, as misguided as he might be, he stimulates conversation is one of the better "Like" getters today.  Perhaps not as many Likes as he would like, but is about as good as it gets today.
Autumn Cote Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:35pm
Expat,
My apologies.  I completely agree, quality comments would be a better way to sort the articles than likes.  The problem is determining what constitutes a quality comment or not.  There is no bot that will do something like that.  The current system is transparent, objective and most importantly, feasible.     
Saint George Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:40pm
There's a difference between stalking and reacting and interacting robustly
 
How would you know? All you've ever done here is troll.
Saint George Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:42pm
 I had fully intended to credit the original source,
 
You intended to credit a source you plagiarized from but forgot to do so?
 
I think that's called . . . "plagiarism."
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:46pm
No George, it's called having a discussion about an issue and article that was credited. That's called a conversation. Idiot. 
William Stockton Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:52pm
Leroy,  "he stimulates conversation"
 
If you mean appalling and disgusting race-baiting . . . have at it.
William Stockton Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:55pm
Frost,   "I had fully intended to credit the original source, I simply forgot before I hit send."
 
Could'a . . . should'a . . . would'a . . . LIAR!
EXPAT Added Aug 23, 2017 - 9:58pm
Autumn.
The total number of comments, plus the number of likes, minus the weighted number of days without comment should do nicely.
 
 
 
Leroy Added Aug 23, 2017 - 10:08pm
"If you mean appalling and disgusting race-baiting . . . have at it."
 
Didn't say I liked it.  Just stating the facts.  Apparently, there is an audience for such material.  More accurately, there is a clique for anything anti-Trump. 
EXPAT Added Aug 23, 2017 - 10:08pm
You could also consider a CLASSIC category where articles with over 100 comments remain for a certain time period. I notice you bring back old articles that generated a lot of activity, when submissions slow, this could work the same way. Perhaps one classic a week in the top 20.
William Stockton Added Aug 23, 2017 - 10:21pm
Leroy,  "Didn't say I liked it."
 
You didn't have to.  You supported our retired Jewish conspiracy expert, Tom (some say our resident Nazi).  
Doesn't surprise me a bit you support another race monger.
Autumn Cote Added Aug 23, 2017 - 10:29pm
Expat,
I don’t bring back anything.  If an older article finds its way on the default homepage it’s because someone has liked it recently.  As for classics, simply sort the articles by comment activity or likes since inception and that will accomplish the same thing.
 
The suggestion you made can be easily manipulated.  But assuming I could weed out crap comments, I don’t like a system that isn’t transparent. As it stands now, many people have no idea how the articles are sorted.  Can you imagine explaining how your system works to someone that can't grasp the current system? 
                                     
Look, I don’t hear people agreeing with you on this matter.  If there were I would take the suggestion under consideration.  So no offense but I think it’s time you stop looking for ways to improve the site and simply enjoy your time here.  The site will never be perfect for everyone, but the positives far outweigh flaws or you would have stayed gone. 
Leroy Added Aug 23, 2017 - 10:43pm
"You didn't have to.  You supported our retired Jewish conspiracy expert, Tom (some say our resident Nazi).  
Doesn't surprise me a bit you support another race monger. "
 
I didn't agree with much of what he said, but I liked the way he said it.  He was a model to follow.  He was always civil unless his character was attacked.  He never resorted to low blows like you and Priestess. 
 
To paraphrase Voltaire, I detest a lot of what people say here, but I defend to the death their right to say it.  That doesn't mean that I don't delete because I surely do. 
 
 
William Stockton Added Aug 23, 2017 - 11:06pm
Leroy, So what you are saying is that you would eat shit if it had enough icing and frosting.  Ya, that is really intelligent (/s).  
 
Buck-up buttercup and cinch up your panties.  I hardly ever grow tired calling out intellectual frauds and race-baiting morons.
Dave Volek Added Aug 24, 2017 - 12:14am
Autumn: I am moderator of a "business English teaching" group on LinkedIn. The rules are very simple: "Post something about 'business English training' or get deleted." You would be surprised at how many people separate these three words completely and feel they can post topics about "business" or "English" or "training". Even when I delete five or six articles of one author, that author still keeps coming back. Then I block them.
 
Having vented so, my BE discussion group is not going well. Other BE groups are not doing well either, whether they are moderated or not. BE instructors are just not connected to discussion groups to discuss ideas.
 
And as you know, I have ulterior motives for being on WB. I am also on several other political groups. But they have very little discussion--intelligent or otherwise. They are mostly pontificaters with no effective audience.
 
I'm afraid you'll have keep posting up that notice for a long time. But you are still creating something far more valuable than other political groups.
wsucram15 Added Aug 24, 2017 - 6:03am
William..At this point in time, it isnt alright to dislike people for a difference of opinion. It is called a "difference of opinion"  for a reason.
What you are suggesting is your opinion is the only right one. I strongly disagree, I have respectfully proven you wrong before and still shown you respect as a writer. 
You do not do that, you dont present another opinion most of the time and you dont frequent others pages.  Im not talking about mine even...holy cow.  But others just to comment.

The idea of a writers page is to comment the idea or writing on a page.  Its rare on this page.  I actually have more interaction with Jenifer on this topic than anyone.  The ideals part is SEF or Expat.
I like Opher, even though we often agree..he has different ideas.
Perhaps some of you that have (this does not apply to everyone) driven so many from this site with your abuse and language should appreciate the words "civil discourse." War has not been declared yet.

I understand some of you stand so strongly with Trump, it is a line in the sand he has forged for you. Perhaps you are right, but I do not believe so and it does not fit my values, even though this is supposed to be about "America".  To me he is the false profit (using the term loosely).

But I respect your choices and have tried so hard to understand them.  It is your time as people to not hate others that differ from you and understand the value of another's opinion.  Whether it be on  this site, another site or in person.
There are radicals on both sides and they are dangerous. Most of us are not.  Try to remember that.

Autumn..its a good site..thank you for providing it as long as you have.  The only thing you could do is keep running it the way you do.  Perhaps you should start charging membership fees and then people could complain about the site.  I can remember not long ago, people begged you to stay online.
Leroy Added Aug 24, 2017 - 8:10am
"Leroy, So what you are saying is that you would eat shit if it had enough icing and frosting.  Ya, that is really intelligent (/s). "
 
I respect people who respect me.  Even though I often disagreed with Tom and largely disagree with Opher politically, they are both respectful towards their commenters.  That is something you could learn.  Both you and Priestess are prone to emotional outburst.  Both of you are intelligent and capable of better.  Both could use a little humility.  It's the only way you will ever learn outside your present knowledge.
opher goodwin Added Aug 24, 2017 - 9:13am
William - I take exception to this shallow interpretation of my writing as - It's your articles.  They just suck . . . always race-baiting drivel.  The first sign of a really crappy author is that they always blame the reader.  Ding! 
There is nothing race-baiting drivel about anything I write - far from it. In fact quite the opposite. You obviously do not read them properly to access the content because your politics is diametrically opposed. Your responses are typical shallow and personal abuse. Sad really. Try entering into dialogue instead.
My observations were not about my own writing but the site in general. I have noticed the number of likes is uniformly low.
opher goodwin Added Aug 24, 2017 - 9:21am
Autumn - I am not totally sure how the ranking works. Though that is not of great importance. I enjoy participating and interacting. A lot of the people on here seem to be very right wing Trump supporters - hence articles of that nature are well supported. But there are also a number of people more from the left.
I find it interesting when we do get genuine exchanges of views and frustrating when there is just conspiracy theories, personal abuse and  knee-jerk reactions from people who don't bother to read your articles properly.
I am still in contact with people who have left the site because they found the negative personal abuse too infuriating. It doesn't bother me too much.
I like to hear what people think and why they do - particularly those that hold differing views.
For me - I try to be respectful - sometimes that is hard and I respond in kind to the stupid comments. Such is life.
I think I would just like to see more respect and an attempt to understand.
opher goodwin Added Aug 24, 2017 - 9:22am
Leroy - I appreciate what you just said and concur.
George N Romey Added Aug 24, 2017 - 10:11am
Getting a group of writers to perform as desired is like herding cats.  I understand Autumn's frustration but given what I see on other writing sites WB is heads above.
Billy Roper Added Aug 24, 2017 - 11:12am
I like Writer Beat, or at least except for the pro-censorship influence of some (cough-brother-cough) people. I've met two of the most read authors for The Roper Report here.
William Stockton Added Aug 24, 2017 - 11:22am
Leroy,  "Even though I often disagreed with Tom and largely disagree with Opher politically, they are both respectful towards their commenters."
 
Ya, I don't see it that way.  Those two examples you mentioned have no intent for good.  Those two, if they had enough power, would choose to shut down free speech here if only to silence their critics.  
 
Both are race-baiters.  Both are villainous and to whom I will never be courteous.  Fair-play ended a long time ago.  No longer Queensbury rules when low blows/race-baiting are advocated.
Autumn Cote Added Aug 24, 2017 - 12:01pm
Billy,
There is no censorship happening here.  There is a policy of not promoting articles that are likely to piss-off prospective users and dormant accounts that I’m trying to bring out of the woodwork. 
 
To all,
Many thanks for the words of encouragement.  Below is a newbie in need of some feedback:
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18541-US-Generals-Want-to-Extend-Our-Longest-War
The Burghal Hidage Added Aug 24, 2017 - 12:24pm
OOooo-kay.... First of all, Autumn? Per your remarks above about Opher's response being confusing...
 
I shouldn't let that trouble you :) I often find Opher's responses confusing also. I think it's normal  LOL (just takin' the piss Opher)
 
But seriously....If I get what you are saying, Autumn, WriterBeat sounds eerily similar to real life! What you have is the difference between people who search for thought provoking material and those who look to see how many "hits" they have on a search engine. And that is indeed just like real life.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 24, 2017 - 12:31pm
Autumn notes: complainer and I always find ample evidence of them doing the very same thing they’re complaining about.-Ah, you noticed.  Seems that's a consistent and constant whine from some, who have a pattern of attacking people, but claiming their innocence.  The #1 offender is the person who claims they believe in civility and use this "rule of threes" that when confronted with nonbelievers, goes off the deep end of ad hominem attacks, and now has been revealed as a plagiarist in full denial of it, excusing it as a simple mistake.  One now can only guess at the person's conspiracy theory and wonder how much of that material they really wrote.  When you're "perfect," the fall from grace can be quite a drop.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 24, 2017 - 12:36pm
wsucram15 sez: I can remember not long ago, people begged you to stay online.- I can also remember the howling WBers that, at the same time, wanted either Ryan Messano or Nazi Tom Purcell to become WB's gruppenfuhrer in absence of any site ownership or asked portfolio.  Autumn has done a remarkable job here, deserves all our thanks, even from those "ungrateful".
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 24, 2017 - 4:16pm
Brr. Brr. Brr. Ckolt.
 
Fnölt !!!
 
That's what Warg says. It means: Hey, forget it. Let's just carry on until the plug is pulled LOL
 
We do have a good time, if not, we'd have left, no ?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 24, 2017 - 4:18pm
BTW: Life is there to have a good time, if possible. If not, what is it good for ?
opher goodwin Added Aug 24, 2017 - 4:22pm
SEF - and maximise it to the full.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 24, 2017 - 4:30pm
YESS. That's exactly what I do - according to my possibilites. You got a reservation yet ?
EXPAT Added Aug 24, 2017 - 6:09pm
Autumn.
As long as you are paying the bills. I will continue to use what you provide on your terms. You have been losing money for 4 years and continue to do so. Your reluctance to consider new alternatives, signals nothing will change.
wsucram15 Added Aug 24, 2017 - 6:52pm
Personally I think Tom is still on here...but thats my opinion. Also as much of a pain as Ryan was, and he was a pain..He ran circles around many of you. I tried to engage him as little as possible, except with scripture.  He was a Christian right wing social conservative, try going to church and running into people like that. They have their own churches and I believe they do well, but they like to tell you how anti-Christian you are.
If you had asked Autumn she would have told you what to do and I swear it worked. Then he and I had an agreement about comments, which also worked.
He is a smart guy, with a very interesting history. Everyone tried to get him to see reason and to him our reasoning was illogical based on his knowledge.
George N Romey Added Aug 24, 2017 - 7:41pm
There has been a steady group of about 25 writers that keep articles and comments going. The list has changed over time. Like 2 weeks ago someone posted a great article got good comments, came back thanked all never heard from again. I've seen it before and can't explain it.
 
Like anything else like job hunting it's become a numbers game. Get 50 new writers and maybe one stays.
EXPAT Added Aug 24, 2017 - 8:25pm
George.
It's like going to a new bar (Irish Vacation). Some people will talk to you and others ignore you. You either feel comfortable with those who comment to you, or you don't.
 
When some guy is sitting in the corner screaming, he may not address you, but no matter how much you ignore him, he is a threat. Some are strong enough to cope with the threat, but many just leave before they have to face the challenge.
 
I learned most of my knowledge about human nature in a bar. That is where alcohol removes our fantasy and reveals what we really believe. Many are destroyed by that reality , others learn to deal with the world on IT'S terms.
S.R. Morris Added Aug 25, 2017 - 7:40am
Expat - Are you an internet tycoon? If not, how can you be so sure that your suggestion is superior to the status quo?  The way I see it, if autumn followed the advice of everyone that provides it, the site would be a mess.
Leroy Added Aug 25, 2017 - 8:59am
" The way I see it, if autumn followed the advice of everyone that provides it, the site would be a mess."
 
I agree with that, SR.  Anything decided by committee turns into a mess.  It takes an individual or small group with a vision.  I'd hate to see a website designed by a room full of engineers, much less by the general public.
Billy Roper Added Aug 25, 2017 - 9:13am
Right, affirmative action is not firing Whites, it is promoting nonWhites ahead of them in order to artificially achieve an appearance which isn't true. Autumn's brother advocating censorship and her having to mollify him by compromising and agreeing not to equally promote certain subject matters is similar.
Autumn Cote Added Aug 25, 2017 - 11:07am
Expat,
I consider alternatives all the time.  If what you proposed had support from this community I would seriously take it under consideration. 
 
Billy,
My brother and I stand united, so please stop singling him out.  We are united in the belief that Writer Beat does not engage in censorship.  On the matter of which articles to promote to help grow this site, I have decided to avoid promoting articles related to the Holocaust and all short stories.  Stated differently, if someone wrote a short story on the day he burnt the roof of his mouth while eating a pizza, are you saying it’s my duty as an advocate of free speech to promote that to my list of dormant accounts?   
 
To all,
Two more newbies in need of some feedback:
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18553-For-Catholic-Bishops-Hate-is-a-One-Way-Street
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18554-How-are-we-going-to-handle-artificial-intelligence-
Jeff Michka Added Aug 25, 2017 - 11:40am
SR Morris asks: Expat - Are you an internet tycoon? If not, how can you be so sure that your suggestion is superior to the status quo?- EXPAT admits:  I learned most of my knowledge about human nature in a bar.- He also learned all he knows about the Net in a bar.  That includes all his "orders" about how Writerbeat should be.  He figures he can bully Autumn into running this place the way HE wants, since he's so wonderfully brilliant and insightful by making light of her efforts here.  Guess that works in a bar where people buy him drinks.  He drinks for free here, so he must snidely comment on the site owner's efforts.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 25, 2017 - 11:59am
Holy shit.
 
Everybody shoud be contentb that the place exists and shut up. How many times we had this discussion ? Every year other new farts show up and want to change the system. What for ? Open up your own goddamn blog if you don't like it ;-)
Jeff Michka Added Aug 25, 2017 - 12:30pm
What for ? Open up your own goddamn blog if you don't like it ;-)-Pretty much my point.  'course that would mean doing something and putting money where mouth is, and that won't happen.  It's WB, afterall.  LOL  Better to complain and be snide about how this place is ran, eh?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 25, 2017 - 12:43pm
Right Jeff.
 
I mean, WB has arrived at almost 19'000 articles. How many blogs get that ? Not COMMENTS, but articles.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 25, 2017 - 12:51pm
BTW: I started here in 2014 with article no. 2'918, now, within 3 years, we arrived at 18'500. So nobody can tell me that WB is not some kind of success. I don't know when it started, but I think it has made a lot of ground despite the negative comments I read about it on LI for example.....
Ian Thorpe Added Aug 25, 2017 - 1:56pm
Autumn, the "HTML-equiv" of the abyssal plain is littered with the wreckage of sunken writing sites. most operating by sharing ad revenue with contributors. Gather, Triond Helium spring to mind but there are many more, and as you have stated previously that you would like to make a living from this site, someone suggested above you need a viable business model. In my experience the only ways to do that are by facilitating selling books, artwork etc. for a commission or by charging a subscription as authorsden.com have for over ten years. I notice Booksie.com are charging for premium membership now, it was inevitable the web would go that way, the days of everything should be for free are gone. Even horse shit costs £1 per bag in the UK now, (more if you want it delivered.)
To develop a paying business you need to change the emphasis from commenting to content. YEAH YEAH YEAH I've heard it all about this site being the wild west of the internet and if people can't take the rough stuff they don't belong here. Let's be realistic; first the wild west was not really very wild, second the comment threads here are nothing like a bar room brawl in a John Wayne movie, they bear a stronger resemblance to a pillow fight in the dormitory of a girls boarding school. Personally I have little enthusiasm for posting here because of the exhortations to "engage with commenters" and keep the thread going. My attitude is people can say what they like about my stuff, I might even read their words but ... I've written the article so I've said what I have to say on the topic. Once I've replied to a few people who always have something intelligent to say, I have better things to do with my time than trade insults with people whose only goal is to grab attention.
If you seriously hope to make a living from the site I'll be happy to talk to you offline (I still do a little IT consultancy at times), but I will tell you here and now you will never make money from an unmoderated self publishing site. If you do ever succeed in generating significant revenue, Google will crush you as they have many others.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 25, 2017 - 2:26pm
Ian
 
you will never make money from an unmoderated self publishing site
 
1. Does WB really wants to make money ?
2. Moderation means censoring the content.
3. Google can be avoided. There are ways outside the US mainframe.
 
Still are.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 25, 2017 - 3:40pm
"Ian Thorpe" sez: you seriously hope to make a living from the site I'll be happy to talk to you offline (I still do a little IT consultancy at times),- Geezus.  Another self-promoting IT "Consultant" who can't help pitching themselves while castigating Autumn.  Think the way you approached this pitch should rule you out.  Of course, no mention of what has been accomplished here, or thanks for providing a periodic "Ian" platform.  I'm sure your "professional" objections were all carefully measured out and forethought before you published here.  Amazing.  Perhaps you can strike a deal with EXPAT, Ian....he drinks in bars and you do their IT....
Autumn Cote Added Aug 25, 2017 - 4:15pm
Ian,
I think you’re right, I probably could get away with charging committed users of this site a subscription fee.  It would piss them off and I would probably lose a few, but I suppose around 20 users would be willing to pay around $10 a month.   That’s $2,400 a year.  I can afford $2,400 a year, meaning, I have no intention of charging anyone unless the amount I’d be making is more meaningful. 
 
The fact you think there is no way to make money off an unmoderated, self-publishing site is exactly why I think I could make money off this site.  I think once exposed to this site, people will appreciate it for being unmoderated and potentially pay to be here.  At the very least, we are different than our competition in that we’re the only place you can go where you can post and read unfiltered content. 
 
If you have other suggestions, I see no reason why you can’t share them publicly.   
 
To all,
Another newbie in need of some comments:
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18558-Rival-Strategies-for-Dealing-With-the-Fascist-State
 
Billy Roper Added Aug 25, 2017 - 4:39pm
Tom told me that I could share with WB that he is now the proud father of a healthy newborn baby boy, and the baby and mother are both doing fine.
EXPAT Added Aug 25, 2017 - 5:34pm
This article began with Autumn calling "PEOPLE" lazy, selfish, hypocrites, who can't focus.
 
I asked what her goal for WB was other than raising the click count to sell advertising?
 
She responded: my goal is to get as many people using this site as possible to the point I can quit my job and work for Writer Beat full-time.
 
I responded, If your only motivation is to make money, then do nothing! I was hoping you had some higher purpose.
 
I write because I like the interaction both positive and negative. Where else could I control weak minds, and not get into a fist fight? 
I do not believe this is a money making business model!
 
She: My motivation and purpose for starting Writer Beat has nothing to do with money.  I think the site is exactly the type of place a lot of people desire and need.  However, unless the site achieves some degree of financial success, my hunch will be wrong. Likes mean everything .... Again, if you can think of a better way to sort the articles, I’m listening. 
 
ME: You're not listening. I stated that Quality comments, generate discussion, which brings more comments. The one line insults work to drive away participation as fast as you can attract it.
I NEVER see Likes exceed 10. But good articles bring hundreds of comments.
 
She: My apologies.  I completely agree, quality comments would be a better way to sort the articles than likes.  The problem is determining what constitutes a quality comment or not.  There is no bot that will do something like that.  The current system is transparent, objective and most importantly, feasible.   
 
Me: The total number of comments, plus the number of likes, minus the weighted number of days without comment should do nicely.
 
You could also consider a CLASSIC category where articles with over 100 comments remain for a certain time period. I notice you bring back old articles that generated a lot of activity, when submissions slow, this could work the same way. Perhaps one classic a week in the top 20.
Then the counter attack came. (even though there was no attack)
She:The suggestion you made can be easily manipulated.  But assuming I could weed out crap comments, I don’t like a system that isn’t transparent. As it stands now, many people have no idea how the articles are sorted.  Can you imagine explaining how your system works to someone that can't grasp the current system? 
                                     
Look, I don’t hear people agreeing with you on this matter.  If there were I would take the suggestion under consideration.  So no offense but I think it’s time you stop looking for ways to improve the site and simply enjoy your time here.  The site will never be perfect for everyone, but the positives far outweigh flaws or you would have stayed gone.  

 
I will never understand why some people feel they have to defend ideas that are faulty. I offered a new approach and was attacked for it.
 
Me: As long as you are paying the bills. I will continue to use what you provide on your terms. You have been losing money for 4 years and continue to do so. Your reluctance to consider new alternatives, signals nothing will change.
 
She: I consider alternatives all the time.  If what you proposed had support from this community I would seriously take it under consideration. 
Interpretation: If the "lazy, selfish, hypocrites, who can't focus."  don't want it, I am not going to change
1. Her goal is to make money! The site has lost money for 4 years.
2. I make a suggestion at her request, and then get attacked for complying.
3. Just keep doing the same thing, and hope for a different result.
 
George asked: Get 50 new writers and maybe one stays. 
 
Me: I replied with a bar analogy, so of course that is all the "lazy, selfish, hypocrites, who can't focus."  need to declare:  He also learned all he knows about the Net in a bar.  That includes all his "orders" about how Writerbeat should be.  He figures he can bully Autumn into running this place the way HE wants,
 
I never thought I would have to defend offering suggestions to a losing enterprise, but it is obvious to me now that Autumn wants the   "lazy, selfish, hypocrites, who can't focus."  to decide how to proce
EXPAT Added Aug 25, 2017 - 5:36pm
I never thought I would have to defend offering suggestions to a losing enterprise, but it is obvious to me now that Autumn wants the   "lazy, selfish, hypocrites, who can't focus."  to decide how to proceed.
GOOD LUCK!
 
As for me. I will keep my suggestions to myself and just play with the   "lazy, selfish, hypocrites, who can't focus."  
 
GEE, I GUESS I WON'T BE GETTING ANY LIKES!
But then; who wants to join the lazy, selfish , hypocrites who can't focus. I sure as hell don't.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 25, 2017 - 7:20pm
EXPAT cries: GEE, I GUESS I WON'T BE GETTING ANY LIKES! But then; who wants to join the lazy, selfish , hypocrites who can't focus. I sure as hell don't.-Fear not, I'm sure ol perfect plagiarist priestess JenJen will use her weaponized "Likes" for just You.  You left once, came back, and now you declare people aren't to your liking here. So, do let the door hit you on the way back out. 
Jeff Michka Added Aug 25, 2017 - 9:17pm
I WON'T APOLOGIZE, but will retract "So, do let the door hit you on the way back out. " directed at EXPAT, and instead acknowledge he should be as critical of Autumn and this site, its users, or his new bar, its occupants and users, as much and as often as he can.  Free speech doesn't preclude the specious and grandiose, as EXPAT wants it to be.  :-)
John G Added Aug 25, 2017 - 9:22pm
Stockton, the overt, transparent racist knuckledragger is whining about racists?
It's funny how the right wing, racist tough guys, Stockton, Jackson, the Burglar etc delete all posts that disagree with them or question them.
Big talking cowards. Pathetic whining little white babies.
Autumn Cote Added Aug 26, 2017 - 10:20am
Expat,
Nobody is attacking you.  The only thing that’s happened here is that you floated an idea and nobody else supported that idea.  For whatever it’s worth, I think your idea doesn’t even jive with your main criticism of this site.  You think articles with quality comments should appear prominently and then offered a solution based on the quantity of comments one receives (as well as some other things).  In addition, you didn’t even address the other concerns I raised about your idea. 
 
Billy,
Give Tom my best.  No response to my reply comment to you? 
 
To all,
Another newbie in need of some feedback:
 
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18564-Website-Indymedia-Shut-Down-and-Apartments-Raided-in-German-
EXPAT Added Aug 26, 2017 - 4:22pm
How ridiculous is this Autumn!
You post a rant, calling people on this site Lazy, Selfish, Hypocrites who can't focus.
Then ask for ideas. " Again, if you can think of a better way to sort the articles, I’m listening.  "
Declare my suggestion of sorting on comments unpopular, without asking for opinions.
And then say I floated an opinion.
You can be assured I will never respond to your posts again, and will keep my participation to a minimum.
You only received 7 likes. Guess you are not very popular!
Jeff Michka Added Aug 26, 2017 - 4:53pm
You can be assured I will never respond to your posts again, and will keep my participation to a minimum.-Then we read EXPAT's comments posted in numerous threads all over WB.  Sounds like EXPAT proverbial sound and fury...signifying nothing.  Once again you trash your host here like an ingrate child...and want to "convince" people how smart you are.  Sounds like another here, so you aren't "special."
William Stockton Added Aug 27, 2017 - 2:24am
The Beat Goes . . . 
. . . to market?
 
In atypical fashion Autumn.  Are you now purposely leaving off the "On"?
Autumn Cote Added Aug 27, 2017 - 8:06am
Expat,
The only thing that I think is ridiculous is how hot you're getting over nothing.  I know I asked for ideas, but that doesn’t mean I need to like every idea.  Again, if you had some support for your idea, I’d be more inclined to try it. 
 
William,
Oops…fixing title now.
 
To all,
Another newbie:
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18574-The-Gold-Standard-Myths-and-Lies
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Aug 27, 2017 - 8:42am
EXPAT this is a ridiculous thing to say with no basis in reality, "Then the counter attack came. (even though there was no attack)
 
She:The suggestion you made can be easily manipulated.  But assuming I could weed out crap comments, I don’t like a system that isn’t transparent. As it stands now, many people have no idea how the articles are sorted.  Can you imagine explaining how your system works to someone that can't grasp the current system? 
 
Autumn's reply was not an attack, no how, no way, but a respectful, civil reply to you, showing yourself as nothing more than a sh*t disturber.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Aug 27, 2017 - 9:56am
It seems that in my absence there has been a further degeneration. Sorry to see. 
George N Romey Added Aug 27, 2017 - 10:25am
Jeffry good you are back & that you are ok (alive). Not much has changed on WB-probably never will.
Stephen Hunter Added Aug 27, 2017 - 10:39am
Autumn, I am grateful for the opportunity you provide, and I believe that many others are as well. 
I am one of those authors that George refers to who writes a post and then never hear from them again, for a while. For me it is because I have a full time job that sucks a lot of energy from me, involves a fair amount of travel, so at this point in my timeline, do not find the time to contribute regularly. 
But when I do it is very satisfying. 
Great post Autumn, I learned some things, and I will comment on those new authors. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 27, 2017 - 10:46am
Jeffry
 
Glad to see you back ! The rest of this thread is tabletennis. YAWN.
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 27, 2017 - 10:47am
Billy
 
Greetz to Tom from me. Good news for a change.
 
Nicholas Schroeder Added Aug 27, 2017 - 10:53am
The best way to find topics and authors of interest is a reliable search feature.
Tamara Wilhite Added Aug 27, 2017 - 1:14pm

Autumn Cote - thoughts on ways to make money.
 
Consider ads for DuckDuckGo, Reagan secure email and others that value privacy and free speech.
Consider ads for books, including those already on Writerbeat. Many small presses might consider promoting the site if they have ads on it, book reviews on it.
 
Tamara Wilhite Added Aug 27, 2017 - 1:18pm
Another thought - any product or service Google censors, reach out to those groups and ask them if they want to advertise here.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 27, 2017 - 3:06pm
Tamara Wilbewhite sez: Consider ads for DuckDuckGo, Reagan secure email and others that value privacy and free speech.-Of course you have ideas about advertisers, but fail to acknowledge if "advertisers" are here, WB would need constant moderation to insure "happy" advertisers.  Maybe you right-wing stories you write would be found offensive to advertisers, then they'd not be published.  Like that idea to go with yours?  Advertisers are the gateway to censorship and heavy-handed moderation.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Aug 27, 2017 - 5:22pm
Advertisers are the gateway to censorship and heavy-handed moderation.
 
Exactly.
Leroy Added Aug 27, 2017 - 5:23pm
"Advertisers are the gateway to censorship and heavy-handed moderation."
 
Wise words, Jeff. 
wsucram15 Added Aug 27, 2017 - 6:35pm
I dont like advertisers and prefer avoiding them.  But I have priced doing a site similar to this (without the brother) and its a tad on the pricey side to just get it up and running so a small banner on the site is tolerable.    Sometimes having a site w/o the insanity of normal social media is refreshing and worth putting up with stuff you really dont like.
Be glad she keeps the site up, not long ago she was going to take it down.  When and if you dont like it hit the road.  You'll be back.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Aug 27, 2017 - 6:57pm
I'm a newbie here and I appreciate the efforts of all the writers making this site interesting.
 
Having found the buttons to edit my articles, and the intermittent X allowing me to delete my comments to improve the wording and re-post, I like the site coming to it every Day. 
 
I would like to see a button to be able to reply directly under specific comments, and I hope that comes into being soon. I'm getting a lot of email every Day notifying me of new comments to my articles, and the others in which I have commented. That's all good.
 
With a few exceptions, the commentators are generally civil and respectful to one another, and that is good.
 
If a Donation function was added, I would happily donate so Autumn can improve the site and keep it going, even with the 30% more I have to pay in Canadian Dollars with current exchange rates.
 
Good job Autumn!
Jeff Michka Added Aug 27, 2017 - 9:02pm
Advertisers are the gateway to censorship and heavy-handed moderation.-running so a small banner on the site is tolerable.-Although one can appreciate a need to bring in dollars, as you know, once that starts, then that becomes all that matters.  I don't know if Autumn goes out and protests in the streets, shows up at city council meetings and speaks her mind or what, but in light of some people here who do absolutely nothing, Autumn is making a contribution by doing WB.  Which, above expenses, hasn't been easy. She's a bit of okay in my book, and sure it's same in yours.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Aug 27, 2017 - 9:14pm
With 553 views, 109 comments and 12 thumbs up, this article deserves to be #1
Doug Plumb Added Aug 28, 2017 - 4:00am
I suppose the first best way to draw attention to your work is to do it well. I'm guilty of submitting poorly edited articles. I piss some people off but telling truth always gets you there.
Autumn Cote Added Aug 28, 2017 - 5:59am
Regarding advertising,
Because I don’t have enough traffic for it to be a meaningful amount of money, I will not be pursuing any advertising. My request to anyone offering me advice is to think of ways to grow this site and not of ways to make money off this site.  Or, comment on the work of others. 
 
Ray,
To turn off comment notifications for any article you comment in, click the unsubscribe button at the top of the page.  I’m sorry but we started with threaded comments and I don’t like them.  It makes the site appear like a series of private conversations and I like the group conversation feel we currently have. 
 
To all,
Another newbie in need of some feedback:
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18582-President-Trump-The-Only-America-First-Afghan-Policy-is-to-Get-Out-of-Afghanistan
Shane Laing Added Aug 29, 2017 - 4:47am
I love this site. For me its a way to get the real news and views from the US with no sanitised versions from the press. All on here give their views in an honest and forceful way (sometimes to forceful) but its great. Things I have read about, people on here have lived and you just cant beat that sort of thing.
Tamara Wilhite Added Aug 29, 2017 - 9:00pm
Autumn Cote Would adding a donation Paypal button potentially generate revenue without requiring a subscription?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Aug 30, 2017 - 7:41am
Tamara, PAYPAL are the enemy of free speech. They are refusing to send money to free speech sites. 
Autumn Cote Added Aug 31, 2017 - 9:03am
Tamara,
Until Writer Beat has more traffic I have no interest in chasing a few bucks whether it be via advertising or donations. 
 
 To all,
Another newbie in need in need of some feedback:
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18616-National-Security-ndash-The-Great-Unmasking
Charles Frankhauser Added Sep 1, 2017 - 12:45pm
   WB is a world-class great service to freedom of speech and understanding the political views of others.  I just recently returned after a long absence, and I noticed some of the same contributors that were on here long ago.  It's wonderful to recognize them and to receive opposing views on many (especially current topics) that are educational (political) to say the least.  
   I write books as an Indie author because I could not get any of them published in the traditional manner.  Why do I do that, you might wonder?  Actually you really don't care and that is great because obviously other axes have to be sharpened with insults hurled back and forth (really clever hurling, I might add) - freedom of speech at its best.  
   IMO, Autumn, your free service (and lack of ads) is perhaps one of the wonders of the world of today.
   WB is in effect an interactive newspaper editorial section that I applaud.  BTW -- I write books on Amazon and Kindle because I like writing them in case people want in most cases to brighten their day.  I sympathize with the poem of guy sitting on hill while being oblivious (total disregard) to what's happening -- If we all calmed down, could life get better for everyone riding around on this oblate spheroid called earth?
  Your comments please; I like them best if I agree with them.
A Classicist Writes Added Sep 6, 2017 - 12:52pm
And newbies like me who neglected to read the rules and uploaded two articles in as many days
Autumn Cote Added Sep 7, 2017 - 12:34pm
This is my response to comments made in this article.
 
Dave,
Sorry for not responding to your message of many months ago.  Very good to see you’re still an active member of Writer Beat!
 
Dino,
Based on the comments you write, I don’t believe you read the articles. 
 
Benjamin,
There is no good reason we don’t have an RSS feed if an RSS feed would help bring more traffic to this site.  What’s an RSS feed?
 
Dr. Rupert Green,
Without question you’ve been an exemplary participant of Writer Beat as of late.
 
A Classicist Writes,
I wouldn’t expect any newbie to read the rules.  Many thanks for entering Writer Beat with a splash. 
 
To all,
Another newbie in need of a comment:
http://writerbeat.com/articles/18704-Punctuation-amp-my-pig-tale
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 7, 2017 - 2:03pm
Autumn Cote: OMG you are not kidding? Okay, uff, it makes the server send out a portion of new article of a website over the internet in a computer readable way whenever a certain change occurs (e.g. the publication of a new article). It is standardized and MANY application use it to aggregate texts from multiple websites. Here is the Wikipedia article.
All news sites have it, MOST blogs, even tiny ones, have it. I would guess that the software widget is already integrated into the software WB works with and must only be activated. If not, it is probably not very expensive to make it happen because it is so common. I guess there will be free software that just needs to be fitted into your system. Ring up some tech company for more information.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 7, 2017 - 2:25pm
I have never used like, as I am an anti "LIKE" advocate for the fact FB uses it to dumb down people, where even the most heinous things get likes. Frankly, I advocate for responses with a word or two. This is because a slug can be trained to click "LIKE." I follow individuals here rather than liking them.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 7, 2017 - 2:37pm
@ Autumn. "Dr. Rupert Green,
Without question you’ve been an exemplary participant of Writer Beat as of late." Thank you. 
 
I get mines from the challenge of checkmating intellectual heavyweights here with simple yet confounding posts, as well as passively challenging those entertaining extreme views. Frankly, I draw on the wealth of knowledge and cultural diversity of participants here without costing me a pretty penny.
 
I still advocate the need for pods of writers with same interests to write for national and international grants to advance and enrich WB and themselves. I will take a leading role in same. For anyone who would give me shit as to why it cannot be done, spare me. I am running for office as a Black Republican in a 3-1 Democratic city.
 
 
Autumn Cote Added Sep 8, 2017 - 6:00am
Benjamin,
I was only partially joking.  I’ve never paid any attention to an RSS feed and don’t know anybody that cares about one either.  The only feed anyone I know seems to care about is their Facebook feed.  So knowing we have limited financial resources, is adding this RSS feed something you still encourage us to do? 
 
Dr. Rupert Green,
On Writer Beat it’s not the people you’re liking, it’s the articles.  No matter the party you represent, best of luck in your campaign!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 8, 2017 - 7:01am
Autumn Cote: People are using widgets to automatically add content to their Facebook feed using the RSS feed.
All websites that are blogs, like the 12% of all internet sites WordPress claims to provide the software for, have readers.  This way the owners of the (more than 12%) websites receive content that they decide to refer to in their writing. May I ask how you scour the internet? You probably use some tool, a reader, that does listen to multiple websites at once. That is RSS. I wouldn't know the cost for WB. The price must be asked first before you can make a decision. I don't want to put "pressure" on you. I just notice that sites that are younger, run by individuals, and far less interesting than WB have more viewers. They have RSS feeds. WB has about 15,000-25,000 monthly views. This is suspicious.
 
Autumn Cote Added Sep 8, 2017 - 8:40am
As you may have figured out by now, I’m no techie.  All technical matters are handled by my brother who made a boatload of money building and selling a company that designed websites for schools.  So while I still don’t see the merits of an RSS feed, I’ll present your suggestion to him and see what he says. 
 
I scour the internet by typing “trump” and “blogspot or wordpress” into Google.  From there I look for content to cross-post. 
 
What’s suspicious?  Our lack of traffic or other websites quantity of traffic? 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 8, 2017 - 9:08am
Hey Autumn, sounds great. I'm assume your brother will take it from there. It is suspicious that there is not more traffic.
This alternative to Google will give you more small blogs in the search results:
https://www.qwant.com
You could also register with wordpress.com for free and use their reader *g*.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 8, 2017 - 9:16am
...cough...I wanted to change 'I'm sure' to 'I assume'. Resut: I'm assume.
Autumn Cote Added Sep 8, 2017 - 9:49am
Because I don’t do anything to boost page views, Writer Beat page views may be low, but they’re more likely to be real and not the product of some RSS feed.  Other websites may get a lot more page views, but are they really the product of humans clicking into articles…I doubt it.    
 
I really like that search engine…can’t wait to use it for the writing of the following comment (how do you like the approach?) all over the blogosphere:
 
Would it be OK if I cross-posted this article to WriterBeat.com? There is no fee; I’m simply trying to add more content diversity for our community and I enjoyed reading your work. I’ll be sure to give you complete credit as the author. If “OK” please let me know via email.
 
Autumn
AutumnCote@WriterBeat.com
Leroy Added Sep 8, 2017 - 10:24am
"I get mines from the challenge of checkmating intellectual heavyweights here with simple yet confounding posts, as well as passively challenging those entertaining extreme views."
 
Dr. Rupert, you are the master of confounding.  You are the perfect political candidate.  Best of luck!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 8, 2017 - 10:52am
Autumn Cote: I'm glad you enjoy the search engine. I have no issue with your invitation text.
Yes, they are humans who click and read. RSS distributes stubs of articles to more humans who will come to your website. It also leads bloggers to use part of the articles and link to WB which generates traffic (real human beings). Your brother will explain it in detail.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 8, 2017 - 2:26pm
@Leroy. ""I get mines from the challenge of checkmating intellectual heavyweights here with simple yet confounding posts, as well as passively challenging those entertaining extreme views."
 
Dr. Rupert, you are the master of confounding.  You are the perfect political candidate.  Best of luck!"
 
@Leroy. Thanks. The difference here is I am inherently making a point In politics, I am saying a lot and saying nothing.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 8, 2017 - 7:42pm
The site can get grant from a group writing National Endowment for the Arts articles, then giving the public access to the product for a small donation.
Tikno Added Sep 16, 2017 - 11:17am
Just relax Autumn Cote.
I visit WB to read articles that I find interesting and capturing the intent of the author through their writings, regardless of whether I will comment or give "like" or not. Many good articles here but I forgot to click the "like" button.
 
Your point from #1 to #4 is less sympathetic. I'm sure many silent readers actively visit WB just to read and they are also assets for this site.

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