There are 85 people who own the planet but we can make it better!

I still find it hard to accept that 85 people hold the equivalent assets to the poorest half of this world. That means that 85 individuals own as much as 3.5 Billion people – 3,500,000,000,000.

 

Am I alone in believing that is obscene?

 

I do not believe that it is possible for anyone to ‘earn’ that magnitude of wealth. That amount of wealth can only be accrued through the ‘exploitation’ of other fellow human beings.

 

That exploitation is a matter worthy of discussion but not the main thrust of my present argument; the issue I wish to pursue is what these superrich people do with these unimaginable resources. My contention is that what they do is horrendous for all of us.

 

Perhaps I should extend this slightly before I get started for it is not merely 85 people that I am talking about here. There is a superrich club of thousands who between them own most of the world. That is the reality. 99% of us live off the 1% they leave us. They, and their corporations, effectively control the world and run it for their own ends. That means they set up mechanisms to keep the power for themselves so that they can control what goes on and accrue more.

 

So how do they achieve this?

 

They exploit global markets.

They exploit tax loopholes.

They control the media.

They buy off politicians.

They lobby, bribe and pressure.

They threaten.

 

The end result is that this tiny minority of individuals run the world for their own profit without regard for the environment, ordinary people, wildlife or the future. They are a law unto themselves.

 

This is surely madness!

 

It is manifestly a recipe for disaster!

 

It is my contention that many in this group instigate conflict, wars, unrest and social inequality in order to create markets and maximise profits.

 

War, poverty, starvation, slavery, extreme hardship, deforestation, climate change, ecological destruction and pollution are the product of their lunacy.

 

We are controlled and indoctrinated with the view that there is nothing that can be done about war, famine and poverty. It is human nature. It will always be with us.

 

I do not accept that.

 

Human nature has two distinct sides. There is the negative selfish, greedy, vicious, cruel and destructive side that we read about so often in the news as people and animals are attacked, robbed and sadistically tortured for amusement. But then there is the altruistic side exhibited by the majority who really care about the world, individuals, other creatures and are helpful, friendly, honest and selfless.

 

Over the course of time, through the invention of civilisation, human society has come a long way. The world is a safer, more pleasant place despite the efforts of the negative players and all their thoughtless cruelty, greed and selfishness.

 

In general societies have introduced laws that restrict the worst of their activities and these laws work to a degree.

 

If we manage to survive long enough we will create a better world – of that I am certain. The only problem is whether we will be able to do this in time before the greedy minority succeed in destroying the planet through their insatiable desire for profit and power.

 

In order to prevent them we must put a stop to this incessant mantra for more. It is my contention that there is no need for further growth and expansion; there is only a need for greater fairness.

 

Just imagine how beautiful the world would be if there was a virus that destroyed human ego so that nobody wanted to be more important than anybody else, own more and show off?

 

Imagine all the world’s resources being used intelligently and benignly to solve problems universally rather than to accrue more yachts, mansions and control?

 

Imagine all the energy deployed by the gangs of lawyers, lobbyists, thugs and bully-boys employed by the elite to bribe, threaten, coerce, misrepresent, obfuscate and confuse, used productively to promote global progress.

We could solve inequality, poverty, war, disease, overpopulation, pollution, and all the rest of the world’s ills. They are not insoluble as some would have us believe.

 

All that is required is that we find a global way of controlling the tiny exploitative minority so that they cannot mindlessly run the world for their own selfish ends.

 

Here is a simple 10 step plan to prevent the venomous greedy from controlling us:

 

1. We stop voting in politicians who are mentally ill sociopathic, psychopathic, paranoid schizophrenics (we seem to make a habit of doing this – Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Thatcher, Reagan, Bush, Trump etc..)

 

2. We do away with institutionalised religion. It is used as an excuse by the wealthy. We do not want pie in the sky and the poor do not always have to be with us.

 

3. We jettison all tribal nonsense – such as hatred for other people, nations, religions and races. We ban xenophobia and begin thinking with our brains and not our glands.

 

4. We discard the outdated idea of countries and nations and replace it with a global government with global powers to protect people and the environment, to tie up the loopholes and put an end to multinationals exploiting us and the absurd financial gambling that creates boom and bust. With one market and one currency we immediately remove speculation and all the stupidity that goes with it.

 

5. We replace the stupid outmoded markets that gamble on the world’s resources for profit and create exploitation. We reward people fairly for their efforts. A new global system should not be hard to devise with one market and one currency.

 

6. We enforce the United Nations charter of human rights as the basis of universal law to ensure that all men, women, children and creatures are treated fairly with rights and responsibilities and respect.

 

7. We create a universal tax and welfare system so that all are treated fairly, have a safety net of sick pay, pensions and unemployment benefit so that none are needy.

 

8. We limit our global population to 3 billion – a level that is sustainable without creating environmental mayhem.

 

9. We have universal laws to control pollution, conservation and environmental degradation to create a world where all life can thrive and everyone has clean air, water and food without destroying the world.

 

10. We unify our efforts and research to accelerate scientific advances to fight disease, solve potential global destructors posed by asteroids, viruses and volcanoes and create paradise on Earth.

 

All of this is perfectly feasible! I told you it was easy!

 

Check it out on Opher’s World!

Comments

opher goodwin Added Sep 1, 2017 - 2:19pm
I do not believe that a world government has to be a tyrannical institution. I believe we can put in democratic safeguards to ensure against that.
John G Added Sep 2, 2017 - 6:22pm
The world isn't overpopulated.
I'd rather have a democracy than the dystopian nightmare that you'd create.
opher goodwin Added Sep 2, 2017 - 6:33pm
8 Billion John. You talk out of your backside. The environmental damage and pollution is enormous. The multinationals and capitalism are eating the planet up. I want a democracy too - just one that deals with the problems before nature is completely destroyed.
John G Added Sep 2, 2017 - 6:46pm
How can you have a democracy with a single global currency?
Capitalism is destroying the planet yes. But overpopulation, no.
The planet has a carrying capacity of at least 20 billion. We have less than 8 and growth is slowing naturally.
We don't need people like you to start dictating who can breed and who can't. That's tyranny. And based on ignorance anyway.
opher goodwin Added Sep 2, 2017 - 6:52pm
John G- whaaaTT!!! Democracy is about voting - not currency! The two are totally unconnected.
Of course it has a carrying capacity of 20 billion - probably more - if you want to see the end of all nature on the planet, chop down all the rainforest and kill every last animal. I prefer to have them all alive thank you. You can live in your concrete jungle with its air pumped in to you. I prefer real jungle. And I value wildlife. And I'm not talking about any tyranny here. I'm talking systems that would bring population down without resorting to government restrictions.
There's only one ignorant person in this conversation.
John G Added Sep 2, 2017 - 7:10pm
Democracy is about voting 
Really?
Democracy is about power.
 
John G Added Sep 2, 2017 - 7:14pm
Re the population. 
Review your maths.
If 85 people control all those resources, how much is being used unnecessarily to achieve their growing surplus. 
'It's capitalism, not population.
You're just blurting out more establishment disinformation that you've unquestioningly absorbed.
Dino Manalis Added Sep 2, 2017 - 7:29pm
They're the wealthiest, but they don't own everything, we all own something and we should be happy with it.  We should encourage them to invest in the poor, including public housing; schools; infrastructure; and R&D of new goods and services to create new industries and jobs.
George N Romey Added Sep 2, 2017 - 7:48pm
Wait a year or two and less than 50 people will more wealth than the bottom 50%.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Sep 2, 2017 - 8:10pm
A list to do away with the 1%/establishment rule must include fighting the establishment media propaganda machine or it has no chance to succeed "How To Fight The Establishment Propaganda Machine And Win” https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/how-to-fight-the-establishment-propaganda-machine-and-win-449f94e1d40b

Leroy Added Sep 2, 2017 - 8:24pm
Opher, if we make you king tomorrow, how would you implement your ideas without the use of violence?
Dave Volek Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:07am
Opher: Good article. But we need to have a plan that goes from here to there. I'm not seeing that at all. And to be fair, there are a lot of other writers who are good at building their utopia, but no plan on how to get there.
 
I recommend a book by Paul Hanley. "11" is about how the world can actually accommodate 11 billion people--if its current resources were used more wisely. While this author put the numbers together quite well, he too has no plan.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 3:34am
Dino - they don't own everything but they do own an inordinate amount including the choicest land and property. In Britain the Royals own 360,000 acres with property valued at over £11 Billion - and that's apart from their other assets.
I would encourage the rich to invest by taxing them properly and shutting down their tax havens and tax loopholes. I am staggered by how little tax these people pay. I was reading about Wayne Rooney - whose earnings are in millions - paying less tax than me - and I'm retired and living on a pension. He escapes paying taxes almost completely.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 3:39am
John G - Democracy - a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves. - One person one vote.
That is democracy. In most countries this is representative democracy where we vote in people to represent our views in parliament.
Now you might argue that democracy has been undermined in many ways, or even bypassed or taken over, and I might agree with you.
But democracy is the power of the people - or at least it is when done properly.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 3:41am
John G - that is the nub of my argument - these people are using their wealth to buy off and maintain a system that works in their favour. They call it capitalism. I call it robbery, coercion and corruption.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 3:46am
John G - overpopulation plays an enormous part in the destruction of the natural environment. It is being decimated. Our animal life has been reduced globally by 50% in the last thirty five years. That is scandalous. Our rainforests are being chopped down at an ever increasing rate to provide palm oil, coffee and subsistence farming. The animals in those habitats are decimated.
That is a by-product of capitalism. They require constant growth for profits and that includes people.
I'm not talking about any carrying capacity. We can probably accommodate 100 Billion if we want to live in the sort of dystopian world that Asimov described in his Caves of Steel. I don't want to live like that and I do not want to see nature destroyed.
Now you might not care. But I do.
 
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 3:47am
I wouldn't have a clue what your argument is. You complain that financial wealth is centralised but want to centralise government.
I think you just read the clowns writing articles in the Grauniad and spew their thoughts out here.
I doubt that you've ever spent more than 5 minutes thinking about what democracy means.
You're Anglocentric and culturally stunted.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 3:47am
George - yes George you are spot on. The inequality is growing at an ever increasing rate. It has to be addressed.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 3:49am
Jenifer - that is a very good point indeed. The media, owned by that elite, put out nonstop propaganda. No society can be considered democratic if the people who vote are being manipulated by that wealthy group. One of the first things that needs to happen is to sort out the media.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 3:56am
Leroy - I like your thinking. It's an onerous task that is not without its dangers but I am willing, on behalf of the people, to step up to the plate.
I would use the UN Charter of Human rights as the basis of fair government, introduce a democratically elected council to introduce legislation to control multinationals, pollution, conservation, taxation etc. I would then start addressing the issues of war, poverty, violations of rights etc. with all countries via the use of sanctions and unified pressure. Violence creates violence. All nations need to interact with the rest of the world economically. That is the avenue I would use to create change.
I'm looking forward to it Leroy. It could prove challenging.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:03am
Dave - Thank you. I am sure that with careful management that prevents encroachment into natural areas - i.e.. effectively turning 50% of the world into conservation parks where wild-life and habitat are protected, and having 50% for human use - we could accommodate our population. We could become more efficient over our use of energy, less polluting and less destructive. The dwindling of non-replaceable resources is still a problem though.
My interim plan would be to utilise the UN, overhaul it, make it democratic, give it more powers so that it could oversee the world, be effective in controlling multinationals, taxation, pollution, conservation, war, human rights etc. Take away vetoes so that it was not controlled by the major powers and use sanctions instead of force to control errant nations.
I think this is something that would need to evolve over time. More an evolution than a revolution.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:09am
Goodwin. Now you might not care. But I do.
Don't pull that bullshit on me, old man. I care enough to learn, understand and think rather than just regurgitate establishment propaganda.
You're so full of shit.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:10am
John G - thank you John - another eloquent contribution that explains your thoughts concisely.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:14am
You're an arrogant Anglocentric old hypocrite. You spew establishment propaganda like it's fact.
And then pretend to be a free thinking, non-racist, pacifist, lover of democracy.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:16am
Taxation is the liberals' answer to everything.
Clueless.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:18am
Sanctions are economic warfare on populations. That is their purpose. To weaken and demoralise the people.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:30am
John G - I am what I am. But I won't get into unproductive exchanges of abuse. That's your province.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:31am
John g - Taxation produces less inequality, more and better public services, infrastructure and quality of life. Seems good to me.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:33am
You're just parroting Bill Gates and his globalist buddies. 
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:34am
John G - Sanctions are a last resort - better than warfare. If a nation does not stop its belligerence or infringements of environmental laws or infringements of human rights then action has to be taken. That would start with mediation and pressure. If that fails there is little else to resort to. Unless you have any positive contribution to make from that vast mind of yours?
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:36am
John G - putting forward ideas for discussion on a blog or forum such as this is not spewing propaganda. That's just daft.
What is your contribution?
I do not think I have heard one single intelligent suggestion.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:55am
Well I've regularly and consistently advocated government job guarantees, increased social spending and the abolition of globalist institutions like the World Bank, the IMF and USAID (along with all the western 'aid' organisations modelled on it).
So you and I are diametrically opposed it seems.
You want centralisation. I want democracy and social equity.
 
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 4:58am
And not just centralisation. 
You want sanctions on the muslim world.
Economic sanctions that kill on people that YOU don't like.
And a global currency that couldn't possibly lead to any sort of democratic outcome. (But you are too ignorant to understand that).
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 5:06am
John G - Sanctions are a last resort - better than warfare. 
Sanctions ARE warfare. They hurt the people. That's what they are designed to do.
They kill poor people, they weaken the population through privation and disease and they render the nation defenceless against the UK/US invaders.
This is what they did to Iraq. They killed millions under the sanctions, they created epidemics and public health crises and then they invaded.
YOU did that. YOU want to do it again, and again, and again.
You're such a humanitarian Goodwin.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 5:09am
John g - Taxation produces less inequality, more and better public services, infrastructure and quality of life. Seems good to me.
You don't know what taxation does. You are economically illiterate.
Taxation dampens aggregate demand. It doesn't pay for anything.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 5:44am
Opher
 
A world government is what we have already. It's called economic dictatorship.
 
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 5:58am
SEF - no we don't have world government though we do have economic dictatorship  - what we have are the multinationals out of control with no controls, we have rampant capitalism operating internationally with no restrictions. We have exploitation, warfare, mass poverty, inequality, infringements of human rights, mass pollution and environmental destruction with no checks.
I want to make them accountable and reduce the inequality.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:02am
John G - I advocate all that too. I want democracy and social equity as well. We are not at all diametrically opposed.
The only way I can see of making the international companies and rampant capitalism accountable is to have international laws and that means a body that is international. That is not centralisation as you suggest.
How else do you stop these multinationals and individuals from doing their dirty business?
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:11am
John G - who said anything about the Muslim world? Why are you so hung up on that? Do you support paedophilia, FGM, indoctrination, slavery, terrorism, misogyny? I don't have anything against people having their own personal beliefs. I don't care if it's Jews, Christians, Hindus or Muslims - if they do crap things they should be castigated and stopped. Same goes for political shit.
Economic sanctions are a weapon that hits the economy and affects people. I know that. It is better than war but is a last resort.
What else would you suggest? Ask them politely to stop making nuclear bombs, invading countries, torturing their own people, polluting the air and sea or ill-treating their population?
Some international body has to stand up for human rights and equality.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:13am
You want something that can never be something so contrary to human nature is therefore impossible. Even your unicorn is laughing at you. 
 
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:17am
John G - I opposed both wars in Iraq and Libya and Afghanistan, and Syria, and Cambodia and Vietnam. I support action against ISIS though - they are barbarians.
I also think something needed doing about Saddam gassing Kurds and Milosevic killing Muslims in Sarajevo and Pol Pot's horrendous acts, and Hitler's killing Jews, and Israel's encroachments and belligerence, and Stalin's madness, and the pogroms, and Rwanda, and Boko Haram and Al Shahab......................
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:18am
Jeffry - me and my unicorn are quite happy wanting something better for the world. The alternative is what?
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:22am
John G - as I am not economically illiterate I have ideas on how to improve things regarding taxation. I'll write it slowly so that you can understand.
a. Block the tax loopholes and tax havens so that people pay the taxes due.
b. Have a progressive taxation system that enables people to earn and thus be motivated but taxes fairly to reduce inequality and provide finances for infrastructure and public services.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:24am
Jeffry - I do not believe that fairness and a desire for a better world is contrary to human nature.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 3, 2017 - 7:21am
Jeffry - I do not believe that fairness and a desire for a better world is contrary to human nature
 
Then you're as big a fool as you sound. 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 3, 2017 - 7:25am
Jeffry - me and my unicorn are quite happy wanting something better for the world. The alternative is what
 
I want the voice in my head telling me I'm still 19 to be right but like your desire is impossible. I'm mature enough to know it. 
 
As for alternatives what does your unicorn tell you?
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 7:38am
Jeffry - I am not suggesting there is anything that can be moved to quickly but I am looking at an ideal that we can move to. Without ideals we are rudderless and at the mercy of the waves. Those waves at the moment are crashing us against the rocks. Capitalism, with its mantra of growth and exploitation, is creating destruction, inequality and misery. We either do something about it or crawl away, bury our heads and try to blot it out. I know I can easily do that. I can live in a nice little corner away from all the trouble brewing, forget about the butchered chimps, gorillas and elephants, or I can get off my arse and start trying to do something about it.
I'm not one for sitting on my arse.
I think of my grandchildren and the world they will inherit and I think of the animals that are suffering.
Now it might be a futile gesture but at least it is a gesture. It's my ghost dance if you like. And I will know that at least I stood for something.
You might call me a fool. I'd rather be a fool than an impotent defeatist.
When I ran my school they said it could not be done that way; that human nature went against the ethics and philosophy I wanted to apply. But it became the most successful school in the area and my dreams proved pragmatic. My school was heralded in London by the powers that be. It ran on the same principles of fairness and equality that I am proposing here - no 19 year old idealism - but sound pragmatic sense. It was a happy place of creativity with respect and empathy. That's what I want for the planet (me and my unicorn both - she thinks it is achievable).
I repeat - the alternative is what?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 3, 2017 - 7:49am
 I repeat - the alternative is what
 
 
It's gonna be some hard, hairy work. There's gonna be more shootin' and more people are going to die. Now, I didn't start it, but be sure as hell I mean to see it through. So, you get it straight. You in or you out?
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 8:38am
Jeffry - I go back to human nature - you seem to have a very cynical attitude towards people. Perhaps that is due to the harshness, greed and uncaring nature of the society you live in?
No I'm not in for shooting and division. I've seen too much of that in my lifetime. I see what it starts as, and I see what it develops into. Most things are better than that. Hatred breeds hatred and violence breeds violence. If that is your solution I find it an unintelligent one. Nowhere has that worked. The world is littered with its ugly aftermath.
Me and my unicorn think its stupid. We have a far better way.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 3, 2017 - 8:57am
Me and my unicorn think its stupid. We have a far better way.
 
You need to rush down to TESCO and buy yourself a sense of humor. I was quoting a line from a popular movie. 
 
Clearly yourself and your unicorn are above having a piss taken. Sad that.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:04am
Jeffry - OK - I'm not familiar with that line. Which movie?
Can you actually buy a sense of humour at Tesco? I didn't know that.
My unicorn is very sensitive - they are an endangered species you know.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:05am
Jeffry - we're back to asking what alternative you would suggest?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:23am
Shooter
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:30am
That explains it - I don't think I've see it. Good?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 11:35am
When I was 20 I hoped like you, Opher. Now I'm almost 60 and I think like Jeffry. Maybe I've seen too much.
 
But the hope is still there if not I weren't doing what I do. Maybe it's just to be able to look in the mirror and tell myself I never gave up although I know better.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 11:47am
SEF - I'm 68 and I still am passionate about saving the wildlife and getting society running better. Why should you lose your passion just because you get older?
Of course I'm older and wiser. I've seen ideals sold out and people we put faith in let us down so badly. But there's always only two ways to go when you've been defeated - either get disillusioned and give up or learn from what's happened and try harder.
At the end of my life I want to know that I did everything I could. When I look in the mirror I want to see someone who still has ideals and still wants to improve. What is the point otherwise?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 11:58am
Opher
 
There's an easy way: Try to help your immediate environment. No one man can change human attributes and characteristics. But if one man gets repeated by MANY it has an effect.
 
As modest one might be concerning his own life as realistic he has to be in his expectations on what one can do for humainty as a whole: Nothing.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 12:08pm
SEF - That's what I do. I spent my life in education doing it. I continue with my blogging and my writing. My books, Sci-fi and the rest, have an element of truth in them.
I reach out to make people think and question. It's limited but it's the least I can do. I know it has a limited effect but it has an effect. My blog has attracted over 8000 followers - a drop in the ocean but a drop none-the-less. My books only sell modestly but they sell and people love them. What more can a man do?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 12:12pm
Opher
 
Can you recommed and link me to one ? Unfortunately I have neither a credit card nor a paypal or so account, never needed one in Africa and I'm not on good terms with banks to get a credit card at this time ;-)
 
I can only, as said, offer you a free stay in Senegal when you decide to come next year.
Stephen Hunter Added Sep 3, 2017 - 12:14pm
Opher, this is a great article and the more people are aware of this kind of stat, the faster we as a society will decide to not put up with it any longer. In places like Cuba and Venezuela, a revolution of the people took place, the the greed factor became exposed. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 12:23pm
Stephen
 
In places like Cuba and Venezuela, a revolution of the people took place, the the greed factor became exposed. 
 
Not allowed (c) the West. And even if - the next generation of rulers coming out of that revolution will finally behave as the ones before. Mujica and Morales for example are exceptions of the rule and only still alive because they're of no strategic/economic interest.
Stephen Hunter Added Sep 3, 2017 - 12:37pm
Oh I agree that the next generation of rulers will surrender to the obsession of power over time. How can we fix this? We see it happen over and over in history. 
And i do not believe that we the people are as powerless as we may think, because of one fact; we vote with our wallets. No one can force us to consume. Unite the meek, if only in thought and non-violent behavior. Ghandi did pretty well with a non-violent approach. 
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 12:51pm
Stephen - thank you for that. It is very sobering isn't it.
People have rebelled against this exploitation and inequality from time to time through history. The only trouble is that we replace one lot of corrupt exploiters with another tyrannical dictator. Only occasionally do we succeed in creating something better. My hope is that we learn from our mistakes.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 12:52pm
Stephen - I think there are many methods of non-violent protest that could bring about a change to a more benevolent, caring system.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 12:55pm
SEF - I really don't know what sort of thing you'd like. Are you a Sci-fi fan - if so I'd recommend Ebola in the Garden of Eden. It has a plot that might tickle your fancy.
Here's a link to my author page - have a browse:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Opher-Goodwin/e/B00MSHUX6Y/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1504457865&sr=1-2-ent
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:08pm
Wow. I'm really impressed. Actually all of them would interest me, I really can't say, because they're all along my line. From rock music to society stuff......but no Scifi or fictional novels. Reflections from a ditch or Antiheists bible would be a good start - also Sixties Freak...hard to tell !
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:11pm
BTW: Just sent you an invitation on LI :-)
wsucram15 Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:26pm
Those numbers arent right..I just looked at a study on Russia and 110 people own all their wealth and they are all billionaires.
I dont have time today..but I can get those numbers...
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:28pm
SEF - so you're not keen on Sci-fi or novels.
You've selected a few of the harder ones. Reflections from a Ditch is a semi-biographical experimental book. Works for some not for others. It's a bit like marmite.
Antitheist's Bible is in need of an edit. It was an early work.
Sixties Freak is my take on the sixties.
In Search of Captain Beefheart is one of my most popular books. Everyone seems to enjoy that.
Just signed you up on LI but I never use it.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:29pm
Opher
 
I love marmite. Hard to get here :-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:31pm
BTW: I use LI mainly for info. I never been on an unsocial network which helped our business, by it NGO or not in Africa. All those networks are just blather. But they keep me informed on African issues and links to issues.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:32pm
BTW2: They also created friendships in anglophone countries. The problem is only the cost to fly to see those friends !
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:42pm
Dannl
 
And it helps oneself to feel human. I call that positive egoism LOL
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 1:44pm
BTW:
 
LOOOL. Took me a while...
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 5:13pm
That means that 85 individuals own as much as 3.5 Billion people
 
So what.
 
By your calculations, how individuals ought to own as much as 3.5 billion people? Obviously, you have some standard "correct" number in mind. Do tell.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 3, 2017 - 5:27pm
So what.
 
So what. Pretty cool guy, eh ? John G 's not here, so look for another target ?
 
 
Got an substantial reply which does correct it or just want to rant ?
 
Do tell.
 
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 5:44pm
So what. 
 
"So what" is a substantive reply. If 85 people are supposedly too few to own so many assets, then how many people would be acceptable to Opher: 100? 170? 1 billion? How many? He doesn't say. And neither do you.
 
Don't be a coward. Name a number. Then justify in reason — not feelings, but reason — why your number is "correct" and "good", while the number 85 is somehow "incorrect" and "bad."
  
Got an substantial reply which does correct it or just want to rant?
 
The problem here is that your English sucks. Opher suggested there was something morally wrong with "only" 85 people controlling billions of dollars of assets globally. In response, I asked him how many people ought to be in control of those billions of dollars of global assets; for if the number 85 is "morally wrong", then clearly, Opher must have in mind some other number.
 
If I need to rephrase my query to Opher in baby-talk in order to accommodate your weak English skills, just let me know, stone-brains, OK? I'd be happy to do so.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:55pm
Saint - so what? You mean you really can't see anything wrong with that? I'm ashamed for you.
Half the world are living in abject poverty while a tiny minority have more than they can ever possibly need. Half the population of the world watch their babies die and scrabble around for any means of surviving while a small minority never give it a thought and shop for their next luxury yacht.
While anybody is starving I think it is morally wrong for anyone to have so much that they have trouble counting their penthouses.
Can't you understand that? Have you no empathy?
There isn't a number. You know it.
For me it is the equivalent of somebody going down to the Texas floods and eating caviar and drinking champagne while they pull the bodies out.
You see Saint it isn't about numbers - it is about compassion, fairness and empathy. The fact that they have so much means that other people die - that they live in such extravagance others scavenge on rubbish heaps.
It is immoral and obscene. I'm amazed you can't grasp that.
America - the land of the haves and have-nots, the land of callous uncaring. They have nothing - they deserve it. They have everything - they deserve it.
Except Saint - life isn't like that. You can't help where you're born.
opher goodwin Added Sep 3, 2017 - 6:58pm
Dannl - Back in 1971 I was walking through Haight Asbury with my girlfriend and no money. A black lady came up to me with a bag of doughnuts, pressed them into my hand and said 'you look as if you can use these'. We sure could. I thanked her and she hurried off. I've never forgotten her kindness though.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 7:34pm
Goodwin. What else would you suggest? Ask them politely to stop making nuclear bombs, invading countries, torturing their own people, polluting the air and sea or ill-treating their population?
I'd suggest you put your own house in order you monumental pommy hypocrite.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 7:36pm
Goodwin. I also think something needed doing about Saddam gassing Kurds and Milosevic killing Muslims in Sarajevo and Pol Pot's horrendous acts, and Hitler's killing Jews, and Israel's encroachments and belligerence, and Stalin's madness, and the pogroms, and Rwanda, and Boko Haram and Al Shahab......................
Of course you do. You're a loyal subject of the British war machine and you dutifully swallow all the propaganda they pump you with.
You never, ever question whether any of these tales are true because that would be disloyal to your betters.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 7:39pm
John G - as I am not economically illiterate
Yes you are. Taxes pay for nothing. The government creates its own money.
Taxes exist to establish demand for the state's currency, to regulate aggregate demand and to discourage undesirable commercial practices.
The gold standard died long ago.It's about time gold standard thinking died too.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 8:46pm
Saint - so what? You mean you really can't see anything wrong with that?
 
No. Neither does any competent economist.
 
I'm ashamed for you.
 
That's not an argument.

Half the world are living in abject poverty
 
Wrong. Most of the world (with few exceptions) has been lifted out of poverty, thanks to capitalism, entrepreneurship, and innovation. You haven't done any research on this at all. Every time you invent something out of thin air, I'll call you out on it.
 
while a tiny minority have more than they can ever possibly need.
 
Scratch a socialist, find a selfish tinpot-tyrant. It's not up to you to decide what anyone's "needs" are. In any case, you personally have far more than you actually "need". Would you like me to make a list of all the things you personally don't need but enjoy anyway? Easy enough to do.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 8:47pm
You see Saint it isn't about numbers - it is about compassion, fairness and empathy.
 
In other words, it's all about your feelings.
 
Fuck your feelings.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 8:51pm
Actually more than half the world live in poverty and that number is growing rapidly.
As the US military footprint expands and the violence escalates those numbers will sky rocket.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:01pm
Actually more than half the world live in poverty and that number is growing rapidly.
 
Actually, no they don't. Put up some numbers, shit-for-brains-arse-wipe, or shut up.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:18pm
https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should-aim
[from The Economist magazine, 2013]
 
"In his inaugural address in 1949 Harry Truman said that 'more than half the people in the world are living in conditions approaching misery. For the first time in history, humanity possesses the knowledge and skill to relieve the suffering of those people.' It has taken much longer than Truman hoped, but the world has lately been making extraordinary progress in lifting people out of extreme poverty. Between 1990 and 2010, their number fell by half as a share of the total population in developing countries, from 43% to 21%—a reduction of almost 1 billion people.
 
Now the world has a serious chance to redeem Truman’s pledge to lift the least fortunate. Of the 7 billion people alive on the planet, 1.1 billion subsist below the internationally accepted extreme-poverty line of $1.25 a day.
 
Nobody in the developed world comes remotely close to the poverty level that $1.25 a day represents. America’s poverty line is $63 a day for a family of four. In the richer parts of the emerging world $4 a day is the poverty barrier. But poverty’s scourge is fiercest below $1.25 (the average of the 15 poorest countries’ own poverty lines, measured in 2005 dollars and adjusted for differences in purchasing power): people below that level live lives that are poor, nasty, brutish and short. They lack not just education, health care, proper clothing and shelter—which most people in most of the world take for granted—but even enough food for physical and mental health. Raising people above that level of wretchedness is not a sufficient ambition for a prosperous planet, but it is a necessary one.
 
The world’s achievement in the field of poverty reduction is, by almost any measure, impressive. Although many of the original [economic development goals] —such as cutting maternal mortality by three-quarters and child mortality by two-thirds—will not be met, the aim of halving global poverty between 1990 and 2015 was achieved five years early.
 
Most of the credit, however, must go to capitalism and free trade, for they enable economies to grow—and it was growth, principally, that has eased destitution."
 
[1.1 billion out of 7 billion = 16% of the world population. That's 16% too many, but 16% is hardly "half of the world" as the crybabies and macroeconomic-tautology-spewing know-nothings claim.]
George N Romey Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:21pm
They buy the coolaid that they are doing financially well because they are so smart and special.  Have they ever talked to the blue collar worker they assume is an idiot?  Of course not.  
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:24pm
Have they ever talked to the blue collar worker they assume is an idiot?
 
They don't assume anything. They need objective data to assess economic progress, not someone's subjective feelings about how they believe they're doing in life.
George N Romey Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:27pm
They have a much better grasp and I find much more connected to what is going on.  For example they would understand this article while you haven't got a clue.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:46pm
They have a much better grasp and I find much more connected to what is going on.
 
They know nothing beyond their own situation, which is often colored by envy: "I must be poor and unsuccessful; I only have 2 cars — a Honda and a Ford — while the rich guy down the block has a Maserati and a Ferrari. Since he's rich, I must be poor."
 
Not.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:50pm
Actually, no they don't. Put up some numbers, shit-for-brains-arse-wipe, or shut up.
I'll be happy to start treating your posts with due consideration when you lose the abusive shit.
 
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:52pm
the internationally accepted extreme-poverty line of $1.25 a day.
Which just goes to show how the statistics are being abused.
China has lifted more people out of poverty than the entire capitalist world.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:54pm
I'll be happy to start treating your posts with due consideration when you lose the abusive shit.
 
What "abusive shit"?
 
I guess you can neither dish it out nor take it. Figures.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 9:57pm
Which just goes to show how the statistics are being abused.
 
Which statistics, specifically, and how, precisely, are they being abused? Cough it up, shit-for-brains.

China has lifted more people out of poverty than the entire capitalist world.
 
Not under Mao-Tse-Tung and communism. China only began lifting its people out of penury when they allowed them to own plots of land and small businesses. They were lifted out of poverty by the implementation of free trade, free markets, and private property, even if incompletely. You don't know your history. Which is only part of your problem.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 10:11pm
What "abusive shit"?
 
 Cough it up, shit-for-brains.
 
 shit-for-brains-arse-wipe, or shut up.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 10:12pm
You know nothing about China.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 10:16pm
You know nothing about history or economics.
 
As for abuse, it's just tit-for-tat. You deserve all of it and so much more.
John G Added Sep 3, 2017 - 10:26pm
I don't chase you around the board with foul mouthed abuse and tell ridiculous lies about things you didn't say.
Your shit talk and your stalking are a detraction from the board that is putting people off and will put more people off in future.
If you were actually interested in debate rather than just abuse you wouldn't do it.
In the end, you're just an argumentative libertarian hypocrite with hundreds off mutually exclusive ideas that can never be reconciled, so you have to bluster and lie and cheat your way through.
You know nothing about anything. You just spew cut and paste talking points from the paid trolls from the Mises institute.
You are a tool of the 1%.
Saint George Added Sep 3, 2017 - 10:47pm
I don't chase you around the board with foul mouthed abuse and tell ridiculous lies about things you didn't say.
 
No, you chase others around the board with foul-mouthed abuse and tell ridiculous lies about things they didn't say. Shall we be democratic about this and ask for a vote?
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 3:09am
China made huge progress under Mao and the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party still rules.
On the other thread you were saying how one party states can only be regressive but here you are singing the praises of the Chinese one party state.
You libertards are so confused and dishonest. And creepy.
 
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 3:26am
SEF. 
Got an substantial reply which does correct it or just want to rant ?
 
Do tell.
 
Libertoonians are intellectually stunted individuals who are unable to understand that imbalances of power exist and that every aspect of human life isn't a 'voluntary exchange'.
They are mostly white privileged males that are useful idiots of the .1% who fund all the think tanks and publish the silly books and buy the politicians.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 3:55am
What a farce. The obnoxious, foul-mouthed stupidities as John G and Saint try to outdo each other in inanity.
Debate? Sensitivity? Compassion? Insight? Understanding? Intelligence?
Not a shred to be seen anywhere. Two entrenched, blind idiots slug it out from their daft, uncaring positions like soldiers stuck in the mud of First World War trench warfare. Both so up their own arses with their fixed ideology that they stereotype and reinforce their own daftness.
Talk about radical dinosaurs. Both as set in stone as each other.
Meanwhile the rich continue to run a system where they can exploit everybody else and the consequence is misery and destruction.
Those 85 people represent to me everything that is wrong, callous and uncaring about capitalism. It is a stench that comes from the rotting corpse of this system.
It needs addressing and the inequality sorted out. It can't go on. There is more than enough for everybody except that a tiny minority are siphoning it off for themselves at the expense of the rest of the world.
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 4, 2017 - 3:58am
The problem here is that your English sucks. 
 
No problem. I bet English is your only language, seen that arrogance. Otherwise I go with Opher. You're just a bore. Period.
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:07am
Goodwin. You are as hypocritical as Corey is. And your 'opinions' are cemented in mainstream dogma.
I have a go at you because you are a hypocrite of the highest order. 
You don't come close to practising what you preach.
Your squalid little island is not racist free or anything like it, you old cretin. You, yourself are a racist.
So go and shove it old man.
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:10am
And you can blame Autumn for the foul mouthed abuse. 
I did my bit. She reneged.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:14am
John G - there's nothing the slightest bit racist or hypocritical about anything I stand for. Criticising people who are intolerant and abusive is not racist. You seem to confuse me with my country. I am not responsible for the sins of my country.
You need to sort your head out. You're on a one-track line, incapable of understanding anything outside the narrow parameters of your learnt ideology. Start showing some intelligence before you engage with people and wash your mouth out while you're at it. There's a reek coming out of it and I can't make out what you're saying because, like Saint, your mouth is too full of shit.
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:21am
You're a stinking Orientalist, Goodwin. 
You keep claiming that the UK is racist free.
You are an absurd hypocrite and fantasist.
 
Criticising people who are intolerant and abusive is not racist.
 
Calling people those things without knowledge or context is racist. Falsely attributing things to vast swathes of people is racist.
You are an Orientalist and a racist.
Get it through your thick skull.
You preach.
You are a hypocrite.
That's what I loathe about you.
And the fact that you're fucking thick, stubborn and can't understand basic logic.
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:28am
British troops are currently operating in Saudi Arabian air control centres directing Saudi Aircraft bombing civilian targets in Yemen and enforcing the blockade of the country.
Proud of that Goodwin?
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:32am
and wash your mouth out while you're at it.
As I said, you'll need to talk to Autumn about it.
She has allowed Corey to use foul racist language and has reneged on an agreement that I had with her.
 
wsucram15 Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:37am
Opher..dont bother. You cannot have an opinion with John that is not similar to his own or you are wrong, because he is right.  Its difficult to talk to someone like that and I dont bother anymore, I will listen but not argue or take insults from people  that do not know me.
 
The only compassion I have seen from him kind of is on China, so make sure your facts are strait.
 
As far as the article, I found a much narrower margin in my research but your numbers come from a different source I have seen it and the variables are different. There are actually 8 men(gates, bezos, buffet, ortega, Helu', zuckerburg, ellison, and bloomberg) who hold most of the wealth in the world and I disagree with the "lists" that are put out, because the wealthiest man in the world isnt on any of them.  But its a comparison list by overall economics, not a list by most wealthy.  Those 8 men own the same wealth as 3.6 billion people.
 
Here are some facts about income inequality that Im sure you know..but its an interesting data flow.http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/07/5-facts-about-economic-inequality/
 
The effects of this arent just about your income, it is almost catastrophic both economically and socially.   The shitty part and I know this for a fact, the politicians..they know and discuss it, but do noting except acquire more wealth themselves.
 
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:44am
LOLz. Jeanne and her 'research'.
She 'thinks' without any evidence that Vladimir Putin is the world's richest man.
Because the deep state's media told her so. The Mighty Wurlitzer still works on the plebs.
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 4:53am
Here's the thing with liberals like Jeanne and Goodwin. 
There's actually very little in substance between them and the Trumpkins. A few cosmetic nuances are all that separates them.
But the outrage!!!!! at the Trumpkins that they display.
It's transparent, it's nonsense and its self defeating.
You want to keep electing Clintons and Bushes?
Go join the Republican Party where you belong and get out of the left's way.
 
 
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 5:23am
John G - you remind me of the intransigent Socialist Workers who stood around on street corners touting their paper. So fixed in their thinking that they could not see beyond their ideology.
I will repeat again - I do not accuse the majority of Muslims of any crimes what-so-ever. Understood! Can you get that into your head!
I do accuse all, of whatever religion or political bias, who support FGM, paedophilia, slavery, terrorism, torture, misogyny, barbarism, homophobia or intolerance of being obnoxious human beings who need properly dealing with. That includes the CIA, British Intelligence, The Israeli treatment of Palestinians, the Palestinian treatment of Jews, as well as that minority (but large number) of Muslims who have been radicalised, practice their distorted medieval Wahhabi doctrine and are barbaric bastards.
Now you can be an apologist for paedophilia, slavery and the rest and call people who oppose it racist. It which case you're as big a cunt as they are.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 5:26am
John G - no I'm not proud of a lot of things my government does. I have consistently opposed a lot of their stances and actions. But I've said that repeatedly. I'd get more response from a brick wall. And you dare to accuse me of stupidity! Nothing goes into your dense, uneducated head except your preconceived prejudice. There's a word invented for people like you - TWAT.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 5:35am
Wsu - I know you are right about people like John G and Saint. They are impossible to debate with, abusive and fixed in their prejudice. I should leave them to it.
I think the point I was making was not the detail of exactly how many or how much but of an illustration of what is wrong with the system. It is grotesque that the distribution of wealth is so unfair. Having witnessed first hand the terrible poverty and suffering around the world one realises that so much could be made easier for so many if it was fairer.
I do not want a revolution, like John G, or the survival of the fittest and fuck the poor, like Saint. I want a fair system of pay and taxation to address this gross inequality.
I read George's Deep State thoughts with interest. I do believe that there are a group of wealthy people who are pulling the strings and that the politicians are in cahoots with them. This system is rigged for a small elite. That is why the tax loopholes never get closed and the tax havens flourish.
Democracy needs an overhaul and the balance readdressed or there will be a bloody revolution and that is bad news for everyone.
wsucram15 Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:03am
Opher..
I have watched many politicians go into DC with Great ideas..and they get lost.  One everyone picks on me about for liking is AL Franken, he really works hard and he gets things done A) within the system to get re-elected, but B) works very hard for all US citizens.  I like him..
There are a couple that stand out on both sides..but you never hear about them, John McCain, Susan Collins, and once in awhile I like Graham and Burr. 
I really like Cory Booker also...and as always Bernie.
Those are people that fight and dont get lost, they stand their ground for their constituents.  Lets see how 2018 turns out for them, oh and dont forget Warren, shes tough.   Ive met her and Bernie both..they are politicians but good with the people and their rights.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:28am
Wsu - I have done the same here in the UK - watched politicians go in with big ideals and become bought over to the corrupt side. I have hopes for Corbyn. He says what he thinks and believes it. I don't think he is corruptible.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:40am
China made huge progress under Mao
 
Not. He murdered 70 million of his people forcing them onto collective farms where they produced nothing. He also intentionally destroyed much of traditional Chinese culture during his "Cultural Revolution" and "Great Leap Forward." Read Simon Leys' books such as "Chinese Shadows."
 
All industrialization under Mao was done either by largess from the west or from the Soviet Union . . . which in turn was receiving massive aid from the west.
 
You've drunk too much Commie Kool-Aid. That's how you manage to combine touching naiveté with outright ignorance.
 
and the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party still rules.
 
But not by implementing or enforcing communism.
 
The main reason you're a worthless arse-wipe-skid mark on the underpants of the universe is that you believe a gun to the head is an effective way of getting innocent people to produce stuff for you as long as the guy holding the gun is you or one of your communist henchmen. Fuck you for that.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:41am
You're just a bore. Period.
 
So leave. Exclamation point.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:42am
I do believe that there are a group of wealthy people who are pulling the strings and that the politicians are in cahoots with them.
 
Of course ! I guess seen recent history it's almost proven, at least nothing seems more logical.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:46am
SEF - so do we leave them to it?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:46am
Jesusfuckingchristonagoddamnfuckingcrutch!!!!
 
What the fuck is going on?
 
 
Opher/Jeanne John G appears to be calling this one pretty well.
 
 
Especially about opher's arrogance. I find him to be an insufferable Prat. Guys like him never make it in the real world of real work his alleged successes in academic endeavors not withstanding. He's the prototypical Frank Burns of MASH. Pathetic burden.
 
Jeanne you've completely lost it with your endorsement of grumpy McCain who rightfully should have died on the Forrestal the day he damn near sunk her with that stunt of his. He's a pardoned traitor for his treachery in Hanoi. POS has no fuckin'business respirating much less being in the Senate. 
 
There is no common ground between you and John G or anyone not of your persuasions. Far be it from me to tell anyone they can't express their opinions. Left wing talking points hold no water on WB. Buck the fuck up, put on your big boy pants and quit being a prat. 
 
I've only been back a short time and already I feel soiled by this fuckin' nonsense.
 
Jesusfuckingchristonagoddamnfuckingcrutch!
 
wsucram15 Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:47am
Its good when you have someone who actually stands for the people. I like that.  I used to want to get involved with politics. But on top of working around DC and my state with elected officials on certain items, my brother taught me a good bit about how politics works in government (he was a military commander).
 
Since we both have the same temperament, it would be very difficult for me to get involved in politics, I dont play games well, not those kind anyway.  He learned what to do and did very well for himself, I opted for road B..and kept my ethics and principals. I am of the strong belief you cannot be in politics and also be ethical.
 
While I have been commended for that by many people including those in DC, I often wonder at times, how my life would have been had I just let go of my ethics and gone along?
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:49am
that every aspect of human life isn't a 'voluntary exchange'
 
Especially under revolutionary socialism, communism, fascism, naziism, and other "isms" that put some aggregate or collective ahead of the individual. There's damn little voluntary exchange under those systems: government, laws, regulations, compliance officers, and networks of informants (formal or informal) see to that.
 
The whole point of classical liberalism, arse-wipe-john-g, is to promote the kind of society in which as many aspects of human life as possible are, indeed, "voluntary exchange", and can be entered into by individuals voluntarily. You dumb-shit power-lusting little prick.
 
And now for some real wisdom by a great mind:
 
"The more laws,
The less justice."
— Cicero
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:50am
and the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party still rules.
 
In name only. Talk to many Chinese businessmen as I have and you often hear they give zero fucks what they say in Beijing.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:57am





SEF - so do we leave them to it?




 







Asking them nicely ain't gonna get it done. They own the politicians so no laws will be created to limit them. So unless you get to work guzzling their goo there's zero chance you will have any effect on them at all. Youve already established you don't have the balls to start knocking headsso perhaps you'll sit over there in the corner with the women while the alpha's get to work.

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:03am
Opher
 
What's your proposal ? I think we've discussed that before. Suppose you kill those "85" the next 85 will be already in line. It's fucking human nature. Don't go nuts about something you ain't gonna change anyway. Do your small best for yourself and your closest and that's it :-)
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:07am
Jeffry - for Alphas - read boneheads.
I'll stand to one side and let you bozos fight it out. I enjoy watching dorks make idiots of themselves.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:09am
Suppose you kill those "85"
 
Scratch a lefty proclaiming himself to be a humanitarian, find a tyrant ready to put a bullet in the back of your head and push you into a mass grave . . . in the name of the "greater good," of course.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:09am
SEF - we can shout about it though and if enough of us do that it puts some pressure on them.
Better than all this macho bullshit that is all mouth and no trousers.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:11am
Opher is still ducking my first question above.
 
If "85" is too few to control so many assets, what number is correct? He must have some other number in mind if he's so confident that 85 is immoral. 
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:19am
Saint - you don't get it do you? I didn't duck it - if you read back on this thread you will see that I answered it. There is no number. There can't be a number.
The point of this post is what is saying about the immorality of the system that kills millions of babies so that a few can have their penthouses and yachts.
It is a system run by and for the tiny elite at the expense of the vast majority.
Now if you can't see the injustice of that then I'm sorry for you. You are obviously lacking in empathy and compassion.
Myself- well I would prefer a system that is fairer. It isn't a numbers game. It is about justice and equality. That is a matter of principles not numbers.
Leroy Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:30am
"China made huge progress under Mao and the Chinese Communist Party."
 
I'll add some to what the Saint said.  Mao MAY have been a great military leader, but, when it came to governing, he was a complete idiot.  Among the more stupid things he ordered was the annihilation of the sparrows, which just served to increase the insect population.  I don't put him on the same level as Hitler and Stalin.  He was just plain stupid.  He tried to taunt the US into dropping a nuclear bomb on China to prove that China could lose millions and it would have no impact.  When his popularity began to wane due to his idiotic policies that starved the people, he began his cult of personality campaign that Xiao Pengzi follows today in North Korea.  That is the only reason why he is thought well of today in China.  The population was brainwashed.
 
I knew a woman whose parents met in a re-education camp.  Both were engineers before Mao came to power.  They were sent to a pig farm where they shoveled manure and other lowly jobs to get their mind right.  Mao had no use for intellectuals.  A country doesn't make progress by shoveling manure.
 
Mao was a great leap backward.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:31am
There is no number. There can't be a number.
 
Really? So if 3.5 billion people, rather than 85, owned all of the assets equally, then according to you, that would be wrong also. 
 
I've already posted data from The Economist showing that 16% — not 50% as you lied about above — but 16% of the global population suffer along on less than $1.25/day, and that the number suffering on that amount was far higher decades ago before markets and free trade became more common.
 
You have better data on global poverty? DATA, not feelings. If so, post it. But stop inventing. It makes you sound like john-g.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:32am
It is a system run by and for the tiny elite at the expense of the vast majority.
 
Then you'll have to explain how it is that the majority continue to improve decade after decade. I've already posted numbers. You have better numbers? Post them.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:46am
Saint - anybody who has travelled the world and seen the people begging, starving and sleeping in filth, the women desperate for their babies, the disease and poverty, the shanty towns and raw sewage, would see that the system is corrupt.
I don't need numbers to see that. I can still smell the reek of it.
You support a corrupt system that creates misery and contend that as it is improving that it is alright.
I know I wouldn't want to live on $1.25 a day. As long as there is anyone having to do that, or worse, there is something wrong.
That is highlighted by the selfish and greedy who are exploiting these people for profit.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:49am
Leroy - I agree - Mao was a total disaster for the Chinese. He was a sex fiend and a monster who killed millions of his own people. The Cultural Revolution was as bad as Pol Pot.
But now China has rectified a lot of those gross errors and one can see that life is looking good for the Chinese - or at least a lot better.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:52am
anybody who has travelled the world and seen the people begging, starving and sleeping in filth, the women desperate for their babies, the disease and poverty, the shanty towns and raw sewage, would see that the system is corrupt.
 
You would have seen far more starving beggars several decades ago than you do today. Out of 7 billion people worldwide, only 16% live below the abject poverty level of $1.25/day; it was more than 30% just a few decades ago, which means things have improved significantly for billions of people . . . probably the 5 or 6 billion you happened not to see on your travels.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:52am
Saint - BTW - I did not invent. The data I took was from a reliable source. I did not say anything anywhere about 50% living on $1.25 a day. I said that the top 85 people have as much wealth as 3.5 billion people. Try not to distort what I say to suit yourself.
wsucram15 Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:53am
You know what Jeffry..
Ive been on here for 4 years, long before you and the hateful bunch.  I am still the only woman and I dont give a shit what you think.  You took your shot at me as have others before you both men and women and as will others after you.
 
I agree with Opher and actually right now a majority of the US.
have a nice day.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:54am
Not interested in your subjective feelings or your personal anecdotes. Got numbers? Post them.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:00am
Saint - life is not about numbers. It is about lives.
Are you really saying that you are happy with the state of affairs? That it is alright for billions to live in poverty and a small number to exploit them?
That it is not obscene that some earn billions while billions live on $1.25 a day? You think that is alright?
These are principles not numbers.
The wealthy elite give as little as they can to keep people from revolting. As simple as that.
You say it is improving. I believe you. It needs to. It needs to improve a lot faster than it is. Right now it is shameful.
wsucram15 Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:03am
Opher..good will is good will, this guy has none at least lot on here.
Dont waste your time being concerned with his wants or requests.
let him look up the numbers himself why do the work for him.
Leroy Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:04am
"I agree - Mao was a total disaster for the Chinese. He was a sex fiend and a monster who killed millions of his own people. The Cultural Revolution was as bad as Pol Pot.
But now China has rectified a lot of those gross errors and one can see that life is looking good for the Chinese - or at least a lot better.  "
 
What changed, Opher?  Chinese opened itself to a near market economy.  Capitalism.
 
I still say he wasn't as bad as the rest of them.  His people were killed more by stupidity rather than ruthlessness.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:07am
wsu - It saddens me to hear such callous nonsense from abusive people. Some people are so caught up in their ideology that they cannot hear desperate people wailing. Debate is one thing - abuse is another.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:12am
 
I'll stand to one side and let you bozos fight it out.
 
Just like the cucked pussy you are. 
 
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:16am
Jeffry - you are a mindless meathead at times. Too much testosterone and too little electrical activity in the cerebrum. Take your abuse and shove it. It you have nothing to contribute but abuse you are a waste of protoplasm.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:16am
I am still the only woman and I dont give a shit what you think.
 
That you're a woman is, to use the left's rhetoric "virtue signaling". Sad. Really.
 
I know you don't give a shit about me Sweetie. That's why you responded. 
 
Off you go now....
Stephen Hunter Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:16am
Some of this dialogue is so juvenile, from people who are or appear quite intelligent. It is quite remarkable how it deteriorates to name calling when folks are frustrated that others just do not see their POV. And that my friends is how the top 85 are controlling the world. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:18am
Indeed Steven.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:19am
Leroy
 
Mao had no use for intellectuals. A country doesn't make progress by shoveling manure.
 
Agree. And that happens today in the West through digitalization. Get people on dullphones instagramming and snapchatting all the time and pop goes the brain.
 
At least a peaceful method to dumb down entire populations ;-)
 
But there's not one guy who can be made responsable for it. It's that "elite" or whatever you wanna call it.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:21am
Leroy - China reformed itself and brought in market economy. I have nothing against market as long as it is controlled and tempered so that the greed and selfishness is not rampant and the inequality not too great.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:31am
Too much testosterone and too little electrical activity in the cerebrum.
 
You know Jack shit about me. I detail my resume. Suffice to say I graduated from a very prestigious maritime academy, achieved my own command before any of my classmates, rose to the highest rank possible and picked up a post graduate degree along the way. I also single handed a 34 foot sailboat across the Pacific. In other words I am someone who does things of value and difficulty you are incapable of imagining.  At any given time there are but 40000 world wide who are qualified to do what I have done. How many millions of you "teachers" are there? Hmm? 
 
You are and will never will be 1% of the man that I am. 
Stephen Hunter Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:42am
I would never diss teachers as they have arguably the most important job in society, preparing our spawn to run the world in a few decades. 
What I would question though is the fact that a teacher cannot be fired for poor teaching performance. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:55am
vive la différence Stephen. I have no problem with you. Looking at the useless eaters these teachers have been spewing out the last 30 plus years it's clear they aren't doing their jobs. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 4, 2017 - 9:10am
Stephen / Jeffry
 
I think that the best teacher is not one with a diploma but one with life experience. And that's where young teachers are bound to fail. Not their fault, but......why did all the old cultures have old wise men as advisers and teachers ? See ;-)
Leroy Added Sep 4, 2017 - 9:16am
"China reformed itself and brought in market economy. I have nothing against market as long as it is controlled and tempered so that the greed and selfishness is not rampant and the inequality not too great."
 
The government controls the market quite well, which results in corruption.  Corruption is pervasive.  There are rules against almost everything.  The government can pick and choose which ones to enforce on any given day.  Campaigns against corruptions are means by which your political enemies are eliminated.  You can only become rich in China if you have government connections. One day, the government says wages must double to create a local demand.  Wages increase.  Prices increase.  Government attempts to solve the problem by eliminating some import taxes.  Some things become cheaper.  The government decides more people should live in the cities.  People move there.  Unless you started with an apartment, there is little chance you will ever own one in or outside a first tier city, unless you can afford a million dollars for a 1,000 sq ft apartment.  Housing prices are a direct result of the government manipulating everything.  Government debt is somewhere north of 250% GDP.  The government decided state owned enterprises had too much debt.  The government heavily suggested that people swap debt for equity.  People bought in mass quantity when the government said it was safe.  Many lost their life savings.  The day of reckoning is coming and it will be spectacular.
 
So, there you have it; a well-controlled market economy.
Bill Kamps Added Sep 4, 2017 - 9:18am
Opher do you think this is a new situation?  How many owned the world's wealth in the times of kings and serfs? and how little did the serfs own?  What about the age of the robber barons? you dont suppose they were called this because of their generosity.
 
Part of it is of, because of how little the bottom 3.5B people own.  For most it is nearly nothing. 
 
Take the average middle class person, I wonder how many of the very poorest together own less than they ? maybe millions if those at the bottom own nothing.
 
We rant against the top 1%, but most of us on WB are in the top 5% of the  world's population.  That would put us in the top 375M, which I think many of us are safely within. Do you think those that own nothing, think we are obscene?   When we drink a $30 bottle of wine, which is more than they make in a month, is that obscene?
 
Its all kind of relative, and just how things work.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 9:18am
Jeffry - it's a shame your experience didn't teach you some manners and humility.
I can't see much of value in what you have done. How has single-handedly sailing across the Pacific helped anyone? So you captained ships. Very useful.
As a Headteacher and teacher I have been responsible for educating thousands of youngsters. Who's making judgements?
Your rudeness and arrogance is your way of leading and commanding? Not a manner I find worthy of respect. As you act so shall you be judged. You don't act in a very mature manner. Abuse is puerile. Perhaps you should try acting in an intelligent manner and argue intelligently instead of coming out with abuse and meathead macho comments?
Just like the cucked pussy you are. 
I know you don't give a shit about me Sweetie. That's why you responded. 
 
Off you go now....

Youve already established you don't have the balls to start knocking headsso perhaps you'll sit over there in the corner with the women while the alpha's get to work.    
 
Jesusfuckingchristonagoddamnfuckingcrutch!!!!
 
What the fuck is going on?
 
 
Opher/Jeanne John G appears to be calling this one pretty well.
 
 
Especially about opher's arrogance. I find him to be an insufferable Prat. Guys like him never make it in the real world of real work his alleged successes in academic endeavors not withstanding. He's the prototypical Frank Burns of MASH. Pathetic burden.
 
Jeanne you've completely lost it with your endorsement of grumpy McCain who rightfully should have died on the Forrestal the day he damn near sunk her with that stunt of his. He's a pardoned traitor for his treachery in Hanoi. POS has no fuckin'business respirating much less being in the Senate. 
 
There is no common ground between you and John G or anyone not of your persuasions. Far be it from me to tell anyone they can't express their opinions. Left wing talking points hold no water on WB. Buck the fuck up, put on your big boy pants and quit being a prat. 
 
I've only been back a short time and already I feel soiled by this fuckin' nonsense.
 
Jesusfuckingchristonagoddamnfuckingcrutch!

 
more the language and style of a common scumbag. Are you sure you've commanded people and been a leader? Is this how you behaved on the bridge? Are you lying about your education?
 
Are you sure you're not one of the failures spewed out by poor teaching? You certainly have missed out on the social education.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 9:23am
Stephen - I'm sorry about that. I shouldn't respond to the merchants of hate.
I too think teaching is the most important job in the world. And I, as a former Headteacher who found his powers to get rid of poor teachers was limited, would thoroughly agree with you. There is no room in education for poor teachers. They should be got rid of. Fortunately in my school, out of a teaching staff of 70, there were only three who fitted that category. Two of those I managed to oust.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 10:00am
I think that the best teacher is not one with a diploma but one with life experience.
 
Indeed. I was wrestling with celestial nav. Very real possibility of flunking out. They brought in a retired Captain, who was an alumni, for the purpose of getting me through. We sat down and he asked me a series of questions then we began. On the 12th attempt the light finally came on. I went from flunking out to one wrong on the test the next week. He didn't have a teaching certificate just 40 years of command. The guy teaching had all the degrees but never stood a single watch. 
 
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 4, 2017 - 10:30am
Bill
 
but most of us on WB are in the top 5% of the  world's population
 
Not me LOL. I own nothing but a guitar and 4 old computers, apart from 2 pieces of land in 2 African countries and one half-built house on one piece LOL
 
BUT I have seen the world and my money went into that. I would not miss one minute of it. I have places I can go and don't have to feel cornered without an exit door. And I could choose the place where you will find me in 2018.
 
Everyone (in the West) can decide how he spends his money - and life. In all, I spent about US$ 900'000 in 25 years (including daily life expenses), and I could even afford to buy above....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 4, 2017 - 10:34am
BTW: I know how you mean it, Bill. Not that I would compare myself to the real poors of the world. But the essence is you don't need much to lead a happy life. The most important is to stay independent. And the less you own, the better that works in Western societies.
Bill Kamps Added Sep 4, 2017 - 10:46am
Stone, at least we have choices.  You may not be in the top 5% now, but you surely were once, and now have chosen a different path.
 
Despite the fact that the rich own so much, we have more chances to choose our own way, than generations before us.
 
My point merely was that we rail against the 1% for their excesses, and they exist.  However, compared to those who have little to nothing, our own excesses might seem obscene. 
 
Its kind of like how Einstein once explained the theory of relativity, "if you are talking to a pretty girl, an hour can seem like a minute, while if you are sitting on a hot stove a minute can seem like an hour".
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 4, 2017 - 10:47am
How has single-handedly sailing across the Pacific helped anyone?
 
Besides myself? No fucks given. 
It does indicate a level of bravery and confidence that are so foreign to you as to be beyond your comprehension as your question clearly demonstrates. Did I mention I was in my late 50's with undiagnosed stage one Parkinson's?
 
it's a shame your experience didn't teach you some manners and humility.
 
Right back at you. What's your excuse?
 
 
So you captained ships. Very useful.
 
Awfully snarky for someone so much better he seems he needs to school me.
 
You're goddamn right it was and is useful. Everything you have was brought by ship. 
 
Your rudeness and arrogance is your way of leading and commanding?
 
I'm not in my wheelhouse or office. I'm on a blog being just what you deserve. Nothing more or less 
 
meathead macho comments
 
Designed to do exactly what they have done - trigger you.
 
Are you sure you've commanded people and been a leader?
 
My sixth issue Master ticket and 20 years of seatime documented in discharges, multiple citations, awards, bonus checks and the number of officers under my command that I recommended for promotion that now have their own ships or are Port pilots indicates that.
 
You certainly have missed out on the social education.
 
No, I received all of that too. It struck me early and clearly that it's pure bullshit. Being nice to someone's face and turning away thinking what a prat is inherently dishonest. Disgusting. Immoral. Conteptable. 
 
Are there times when it's useful. Of course. 
 
This isn't one of them.
 
Off you go now, mind the gap between train and platform. Bye.
opher goodwin Added Sep 4, 2017 - 10:59am
Bill - that is so true. We have so much compared to most of the world.
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 5:05pm
O look, they support warmongers like McCain and Graham and pretend to be pacifists. They even defend the Tony Blairs of this world.
They think tax can make everything better and economic sanctions don't hurt the very people they pretend to be saving.
They can't take any criticism or correction from anybody because they listen to their feelings about things.
They smear muslims with lies and half truths and then claim their own powerlessness to change their own state's behaviour. As barbaric as it is.
But I'm intransigent?
The right are sociopathic selfish knuckleheads. But liberals are the greatest hypocrites who ever walked the face of the earth.
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 5:08pm
And Corey doesn;'t just support the system. He positively worships the uber rich fuckers at the top of the pile. 
And carries water for them with his absurd voodoo economics and bullshit statistics.
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 6:00pm
China continued its development by following an export model. Not capitalism.
Denying the development of China (or any other nation independent of US corporate capitalism as the case may be) only exposes your ridiculous, childish tribal allegiance to your oligarchy and their diktat.
What is the point of lying about these things?
I don't understand the mindset of people who will tell themselves lies.
 
Leroy Added Sep 4, 2017 - 7:47pm
"I don't understand the mindset of people who will tell themselves lies."
 
Maybe you should consider self-abortion.  Just saying...
John G Added Sep 4, 2017 - 8:07pm
Yeah good one, mouth breather.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 11:38pm
life is not about numbers. It is about lives.
 
If numbers have nothing to do with life, then why the angst over the number "85"?
 
Your thinking (if one can call it that) is a mess. You're no scientist.
 
Are you really saying that you are happy with the state of affairs?
 
I never said one way or the other if I was happy or unhappy. I posted DATA. You do the same, if you can.
Saint George Added Sep 4, 2017 - 11:46pm
China continued its development by following an export model. Not capitalism.
 
Wrong. Are you six years old or something? You can't think your way out of a paper bag.
 
Um, in order to export anything, skid-mark-diaper-rash, you have to make something to export; you have to make something that other people in other countries want to buy. And in order to make something you can export, you have to abolish your unproductive collective farms and centrally managed economy — meaning, you have to throw out Marxian socialism — and adopt (even if incompletely) capitalism. That's what China did.
 
"Duh, but I thought they followed an export model". Duh. What the fuck are you talking about, boy?
 
Now follow the lead presented by the skid mark in your underwear and turn yourself into a bag of organic fertilizer. They need you in North Korea so at least you'll be useful.
John G Added Sep 5, 2017 - 12:09am
That's just idiotic nonsense. China developed from an agrarian feudal society to the point where it was able to industrialise, import capital and export manufactured goods.
You don't need a capitalist overclass of wealth stealers and hoarders to do that.
Your ideology is absurd theology and your understanding of development and economics is woeful.
And you're a foul mouthed, obscene twit.
John G Added Sep 5, 2017 - 1:23am
For the liberals who think that taxation is salvation.
Renegade Shorts - STEVE KEEN on Government Surplus
John G Added Sep 5, 2017 - 1:25am
And this: 
Progressives should move on from a reliance on ‘Robin Hood’ taxes
 
There was an article in the International Politics and Society journal (August 27, 2017) – Robin Hood had the right idea – which continues to demonstrate, how in my view, the Left has gone down a deadend path with respect to financial market reform and re-establishing a credible progressive agenda. The sub-title of the article ‘Why the left needs to deliver on the financial transaction tax’ indicates that the author, Stephany Griffith-Jones, who has long advocated positions I am sympathetic to (particularly with respect to development economics), thinks a financial tax is a viable strategy for the Left to push. The problem is that none of these ‘Robin Hood solutions’ are viable and are based on faulty understandings of the way monetary systems operate.
Saint George Added Sep 5, 2017 - 1:51am
That's just idiotic nonsense.
 
No, it's just economic history.
 
How China went from communist to capitalist
 
"Founded in 1949 as a hardline socialist country, the People’s Republic of China has steadily embraced the tenets of capitalism, especially since economic reforms were enacted in 1978.
 
Following the ideals of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin, Mao Tse-tung created and became the chairman of the People’s Republic of China and the Chinese Communist Party in 1949.
 
Mao envisioned a society in which all would equally share in prosperity. To that end, he began to bring farms, factories and other businesses under government ownership.
 
Between 1959 and 1961, food production plummeted due to crop and industrial shortfalls. A great famine resulted, causing millions of deaths.** The loss of privately run sectors was hurting the country tremendously.
 
In 1978, Deng Xiaoping, a Chinese revolutionary and veteran of the Communist Party, was eager to adopt capitalist methods and reforms in order to stimulate economic growth and restore confidence in the party. He and U.S. President Jimmy Carter signed an historic accord in 1979, reversing decades of China-U.S. tension.
 
Deng launched several economic reforms that allowed private sectors to start and operate their own businesses once again. He also established four special economic zones along the coast of China with intentions of attracting foreign investments.
 
Due to the reforms Deng put in place, China has gone from being a country that opposed capitalism to one that embraces property rights, profits and free market competition.
 
Today, in 2015, the Shanghai Stock Exchange is the third-largest in the world by market."
 
Argue with the facts of economic history, sheep-fucker turd-brain.
John G Added Sep 5, 2017 - 2:09am
That's pathetic. Development from an agrarian economy to one able to industrialise and export manufactured goods doesn't happen overnight or because of one man.
Deng Xiaoping was instrumental in bringing capital into China, not capitalism.
And in a one party state no less!!!!!!!!!!
Your grasp of history is naive, shallow and partisan.
And communism doesn't cause droughts. 
Your dogma is childlike.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 5, 2017 - 4:34am
John G I'll be happy to pay your ticket to go kick St. Geo's ass. Then you can shake hands and be friends. I'll even buy the beer. 
 
Damn Skippy its the only way you two are ever going to stop going at each other.
John G Added Sep 5, 2017 - 5:40am
I wouldn't piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.
I hate fascists and I hate zionists.
I don't chase him around the board with hundreds upon hundreds excrement and bestiality references.
Autumn seems to like his style though.
Writer Beat is a real innerlexual hangout yeah?
Michael Cikraji Added Sep 5, 2017 - 8:00am
Hey Opher, 
It is clear you target industrialists and such when discussing the rich. But what is your thoughts on the monarchy? You're British, right? If you want to talk about control of natural resources, maintenance of power and not having to play by the rules, I think the British Monarchy is a good example....
opher goodwin Added Sep 5, 2017 - 9:24am
Michael - Too true - a bunch of parasites who are no more than a relic of by-gone days. They own half the country and are there as quaint echoes of the past to roll out for state occasions as a dash of pageantry and archaic splendour. We don't need them. It is sickening the celebrity status that they have. People seem to know their place and look up to the aristocracy - no more than a bunch of robber barons in masquerade.
Michael Cikraji Added Sep 5, 2017 - 9:45am
Opher, what's weird is that A LOT of Americans follow the British Monarchy too. You wouldn't think.
I think you've mentioned that you're fond of socialism, and I can agree at least socialized medicine is (in general) a better medical system than what we have, say in the US. 
Although I don't think it's right, I believe historically there has always been very few people essentially in charge of the world. These 85 people aren't new... ever since humanity was around, we've had a small group of people that essentially control everything....
 
opher goodwin Added Sep 5, 2017 - 12:06pm
Michael - That is weird. People are fascinated by celebrity and like the pageant. America doesn't have it and wanted rid of it when they did. Now they yearn to know their place and look up to aristocracy.
I don't.
I am a socialist because I believe in fairness and equality. I know my place - it's on a par with everyone else.
I will do a piece on socialised medicine right now.
It is true that we have always an elite but the inequality has gotten so much worse. Those 85 are taking the piss.
Michael Cikraji Added Sep 5, 2017 - 12:43pm
Hey Opher,
Preaching to the choir, brother! Only major obstacle to socialism being the end-all is what is perceived as the lack of incentive.
The attitude: "why should I work so hard, why should I innovate, invent and lead, if I'm going to get the same thing regardless?" 
opher goodwin Added Sep 5, 2017 - 12:49pm
Michael - I can see that which is why I would advocate a system which rewards effort. I do not want uniformity. I want fairness and equality of opportunity. I would like to see less inequality not complete equality.
IMO nobody can possibly earn a billion. They get that by exploiting others.
Saint George Added Sep 5, 2017 - 11:12pm
I hate fascists and I hate zionists.
 
Those are simpleminded euphemisms, arse-wipe-g. You hate anyone who loves individual freedom and you hate Jews, you old anti-Semitic fart.
Saint George Added Sep 5, 2017 - 11:14pm
Development from an agrarian economy to one able to industrialise and export manufactured goods doesn't happen overnight or because of one man.
 
Nor does it happen by itself without a major reversal of policy. Get your head out of that sheep's arse and maybe you'll learn something you uneducated twit.
John G Added Sep 6, 2017 - 2:51am
Nor does it happen by itself without a major reversal of policy. 
What an utterly asinine assertion. You really don't do logic.
And don't be calling me antisemitic you racist islamophobic zionist pig.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 6, 2017 - 7:37pm
Meterologists can't predict with certainty what a hurricane is going to do or where its going to be five days from now.
 
But "climate change" is settled science. 
 
Somebody is lying to you....
 
and it ain't the meterologists.
opher goodwin Added Sep 7, 2017 - 7:15am
Jeffry - I didn't say climate is settled science. I said it was more predictable than weather. It is on a larger scale and takes time to change. Hurricanes are predictable in many ways but can be affected by localised weather or pressure patterns so they can veer off course.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 7, 2017 - 8:36am
Twenty years of seatime I'm well versed with what can and can't be predicted with tropical cyclones and the forces that act on them thank you very much. 
opher goodwin Added Sep 7, 2017 - 9:45am
Jeffry - I'm sure you are. Then you are aware that climate is more predictable.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 7, 2017 - 8:51pm
No I bloody well am not convinced climate is at all predictable much less more so. 
opher goodwin Added Sep 8, 2017 - 4:23am
Jeffry - fair enough. But I am.
Saint George Added Sep 8, 2017 - 4:59am
What an utterly asinine assertion.
 
Yeah? Why?
 
Give us some of that Palestinian throat-slitting, aircraft-exploding, baby-killer logic you're so famous for here on WB, arse-wipe.
 
Skidmark-john-g (named for "Toilet G" on the Ground Floor of the brothel his mother shat him out into [father unknown]) trolls this site because he shills for Russia and Palestinian terror groups that commit, or enable others to commit, atrocities on innocent people.
 
Who is your ideological compliance officer, skid-mark-g? Do tell.
 
Curious minds want to know.
opher goodwin Added Sep 8, 2017 - 5:53am
Saint - give it a rest. You sound like a twerp.
Leroy Added Sep 8, 2017 - 10:00am
The little red x can be your best friend
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 8, 2017 - 11:50am
Stupid Goof
 
Give us a break, ok ? Or try to get off your childish name calling.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 8, 2017 - 1:34pm
BTW Goof
 
You put up your same insult of John G in several articles. Whenever I see a comment of him there comes your same insulting comment in between, fucking up good threads by cut'n'paste. Where's your brain ?
 
Do tell. Or better fuck off finally.
opher goodwin Added Sep 8, 2017 - 5:42pm
Leroy - I never delete. I leave things up for others to see the stupidity.
opher goodwin Added Sep 8, 2017 - 5:43pm
SEF - cheers - I will check out your new post.