BDS real face - lest we forget.

Nothing new in this, but bears refreshing from time to time. Omar Barghouti, in his past a student at Tel Aviv University and founding member of the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI):

A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights of the indigenous Palestinian population and perpetuate a system of racial discrimination that ought to be opposed categorically….Definitely, most definitely we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine. No Palestinian, rational Palestinian, not a sell-out Palestinian, will ever accept a Jewish state in Palestine.

For doubters, check the text at 5:50 in this link.

 

 

Comments

Autumn Cote Added Sep 12, 2017 - 6:27am
Please note, the second best way to draw more attention to your work is to comment on the work of others. I know this to be true because if you do, I'll do everything in my power to draw more attention to your articles.
 
PS - There is a lot I can do and would like to do on your behalf.
Simply Jews Added Sep 12, 2017 - 6:35am
Thanks, I shall try to do my best as far as time limits allow.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 12, 2017 - 3:09pm
The main problem is that liberals see Arabs as noble savages. It blocks any reasoning on how to improve the situation for the people. Many of them don't even know that Gaza and Samaria are controlled by different groups who kill each other. BDS is just the usual virtue signalling crap.
FOUSESQUAWK Added Sep 12, 2017 - 3:45pm
I have seen Barghouti speak twice. He is an impostor. Posing as a Palestinian, he was born in Qatar, which he hides. I also heard him say that even if the Israelis and Palestinians made a peace deal, BDS would not recognize it unless it met all of their conditions.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 12, 2017 - 3:48pm
FOUSESQUAWK: Not surprising. It is mostly the Arabs from outside who make a fuss.
Simply Jews Added Sep 12, 2017 - 4:20pm
Here is Mr Barhouti speaking for himself:
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/boycott-israel-article-1.1271226
 
"Specifically, BDS calls for an end to Israel’s occupation of Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967; an end to what even the U.S. State Department slams as Israel’s “institutional, legal and societal discrimination” against its Palestinian citizens; and the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and lands from which they were forcibly displaced."
 
I don't have to draw a picture here, do I? His wants are clear, his movements dreams are clear.
 
"From the river to the sea..."
Leroy Added Sep 12, 2017 - 11:19pm
The Israelis have shown remarkable restraint.  I think that I would have done a Josey Wells by now:
 
Josey: You be Ten Bears?
Ten Bears: I am Ten Bears.
Josey: (spits tobacco) I'm Josey Wales.
Ten Bears: I have heard. You're the Gray Rider. You would not make peace with the Blue Coats. You may go in peace.
Josey: I reckon not. Got nowhere to go.
Ten Bears: Then you will die.
Josey: I came here to die with you. Or live with you. Dying ain't so hard for men like you and me, it's living that's hard; when all you ever cared about has been butchered or raped. Governments don't live together, people live together. With governments you don't always get a fair word or a fair fight. Well I've come here to give you either one, or get either one from you. I came here like this so you'll know my word of death is true. And that my word of life is then true. The bear lives here, the wolf, the antelope, the Comanche. And so will we. Now, we'll only hunt what we need to live on, same as the Comanche does. And every spring when the grass turns green and the Comanche moves north, he can rest here in peace, butcher some of our cattle and jerk beef for the journey. The sign of the Comanche, that will be on our lodge. That's my word of life.
Ten Bears: And your word of death?
Josey: It's here in my pistols, there in your rifles. I'm here for either one.
Ten Bears: These things you say we will have, we already have.
Josey: That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life. And I'm saying that men can live together without butchering one another.
Ten Bears: It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double-tongues. There is iron in your word of death for all Comanche to see. And so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron, it must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... or death. It shall be life. (he takes his knife and cuts his hand. Josey does the same and they grasp each others hand.) So shall it be.
Simply Jews Added Sep 13, 2017 - 3:04am
"So they stand for a single state."
Yeah, sure, from the river to the sea. 
Coming from a BDS shill, it is a smashing statement.
Whatever humanity you pretend to have, John G, is slipping quite quickly.
 
Simply Jews Added Sep 13, 2017 - 4:45am
You might stand wherever you wish, dear. You can even dirtmouth people you disagree with with impunity, it is all in freedom of speech. That your speech has a strong smell of crap and sulfur is another problem, for your psychiatrist to resolve. 
And keep shouting about being muzzled. The best proof of you being muzzled is shouting about it from every available platform. 
Saint George Added Sep 13, 2017 - 5:16am
Thank you for your contributions to this Web site. They fill a much-needed gap.
Simply Jews Added Sep 13, 2017 - 5:19am
The Palestinians are muzzled? 
Interesting. Here I post a quote, with a link to a video by a (OK, fake) Palestinian, and you call it muzzling?
And where is the purported dirtmouthing by me? Please quote.
You really have to watch your texts, John. Disjointed as heck.
Saint George Added Sep 13, 2017 - 5:30am
Thank you, skid-mark-g, for your contributions to this Web site. They fill a much-needed gap.
Simply Jews Added Sep 13, 2017 - 5:31am
Yep, just like Arafat the Egyptian.
Skipping the next line of Tourette's outpour.
Yes, Palestinians are muzzled, like with 14 parliament members speechifying for them daily, thousands of newspapers publishing crapola, Muslim countries block in UN etc... tell me more about muzzling I don't know.
"The purpose of your post is to muzzle Palestinians." - something more ridiculous in your repertoire, John?
Simply Jews Added Sep 13, 2017 - 6:27am
Who and where is deleting your post, poor muzzled John?
S.R. Morris Added Sep 13, 2017 - 7:19am
How Is this an article? You wrote one sentence and then provided a quote and a link.  Simply pathetic, these types of articles should be banned.
Simply Jews Added Sep 13, 2017 - 7:36am
Er... who claims it to be an article, begging your pardon?
Besides, I don't remember length of the post being stipulated by the owner of that site (which you are not, if I am not mistaken).
Autumn Cote Added Sep 13, 2017 - 9:27am
I just noticed your commenting activity and wanted to thank you by promoting this article to my email distribution list.  The action usually results in a lot more comment activity.   However, I chose not to, simply because it’s too short.  In the future, I recommend simply writing a little more.   
Simply Jews Added Sep 13, 2017 - 10:04am
Thanks, Autumn, I have in mind to post a longer one from the archives when time allows, this was to refresh some folks' memory.
Cheers.
Arrbyy Added Sep 13, 2017 - 11:21am
The commenter who said that Israel has showed remarkable constraint is saying something entirely obscene. To that person: Did it give you a thrill?
Saint George Added Sep 13, 2017 - 6:22pm
You're an utterly repellent racist scumbag.
 
LOLzZzZzZ!!!
 
And skidmark-john-g claims in another thread that he doesn't resort to obscenities and insults!
 
What a hypocrite!
Flying Junior Added Sep 14, 2017 - 1:55am
This thread just reminds me of how the Israeli developers have been building homes and communities in the lands and areas that have been agreed upon to be set aside for the Palestinians for four decades.  They have done this with impunity, without so much as word of protest from the U.S. government whilst using the inhuman tactic of bulldozing Palestinian communities to make way for their expansion.  Also, the few remaining pieces of land upon which Palestinians are still able to live their lives, they are separated by walls.  They cannot even travel for work, commerce or consumption.  They are under siege in their own land.  Essential living in enforced ghettoes.
 
What was it the Israeli government restrained itself from doing, Leroy?  Completely annihilating the Palestinian people in a systematic program of ethnic cleansing and genocide?
 
And anyone who would care to answer, who was it who killed Yitzhak Rabin?
Simply Jews Added Sep 14, 2017 - 4:03am
If this thread "reminds  you", it is definitely not my fault, FJ - probably everything, even related to weather, will remind you the same.
If you expect me to protect the settlers' activity - nope.
If you expect me to agree with BS like "using the inhuman tactic of bulldozing Palestinian communities to make way for their expansion.  " - nope to this too.
And to this: "Also, the few remaining pieces of land upon which Palestinians are still able to live their lives, they are separated by walls. " 
No to mention this happily repeated blood libel, easily dispelled by simple demographic data: "systematic program of ethnic cleansing and genocide". 
 
What was that re Yitzhak Rabin again? And how it is related? Please enlighten us all.
FOUSESQUAWK Added Sep 14, 2017 - 12:26pm
John G has no talking points other than to insult others. Actually, "Racist scumbag" is the most complicated and in-depth comment he has made. And this guy was a university professor??!! Can you imagine what his lectures must have been like?
Simply Jews Added Sep 14, 2017 - 12:54pm
Exactly what  I have been wondering about:
 
- Professor, are you sure about...
- Yes, you worthless piece of flotsam, I am sure!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 14, 2017 - 1:48pm
FOUSESQUAWK: John G was a university professor? I can easily tell that it wasn't economics or something maths related. It's not important. Good on him.
He has a valid point. The opponents of BDS are sometimes denying them rooms and Israel's embassy gets involved when it really shouldn't. BDS shouldn't be denied a platform.
BDS is, of course, not the vox populi of the Palestinian people and I don't think much of them. Palestinians have different opinions like everybody else. About half of them wants a seperate state, the other half wants to remain a part of Israel. I think for most, the question is really more about HOW it will look like in the end. How trade or health care will be organized. There is talk about some kind of federal system. I think few Pals in the West bank wants to live under the conditions that Hamas provides for the people in Gaza, but there are some hard-core ideologues who do.
I wrote that Arabs from outside make most of the noise. There are also great expat Palestinians like Ahmad Mansour or Lalo Dagach who clarify the situation.
 
Oh, and Google and ADL are tosh by now.
Flying Junior Added Sep 14, 2017 - 1:52pm
I stand by the comment.  This Israeli demolition on the West Bank and in Jerusalem has been  happening for years.  We have all seen it on the television and in newspapers.  It goes hand-in-hand with the illegal developments.  I guess I exaggerated about the wall.  But it does exist and it is 440 miles long isolating or cutting off many Palestinians.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier
Simply Jews Added Sep 14, 2017 - 2:01pm
"This Israeli demolition on the West Bank and in Jerusalem has been  happening for years." 
Be interesting to know what you have in mind, FJ. 
The wall (which is mostly a fence, by the way) indeed cut off some agricultural fields belonging to a few villages. 
The point is that the Wall saved uncounted lives, whatever problems it causes. We, being soft-skinned and self-centered folk, are rather allergic to attempts to kill us.
Saint George Added Sep 14, 2017 - 11:55pm
Actually, "Racist scumbag" is the most complicated and in-depth comment he has made.
 
Well, it has the most syllables, let's put it that way.
 
Never heard he was a university professor. In any case, note well that there are two "JGs"; one who is inarticulate, and another – a more recent poster – who has a slightly larger vocabulary. Same inability to reason and unwillingness to look at history objectively as the previous JG; but a somewhat larger vocabulary.
Saint George Added Sep 14, 2017 - 11:55pm
Israeli developers have been building homes and communities in the lands and areas that have been agreed upon to be set aside for the Palestinians for four decades.
 
Evidence?
Flying Junior Added Sep 15, 2017 - 2:43am
This has been known since before the www.  Back in the days of print.  Reports have been found in every major newspaper since the mid 1980s.  It has been reported by CBS, NBC, PBS and other respected networks for more than thirty years.  For crying out loud, there are UN resolutions.  Yada, yada, yada.  You deny this?  If you want evidence, googol it yourself.  Are you telling me that you are under thirty years of age?  Thirty-five?
 
Maybe you trust wikipedia.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements
Flying Junior Added Sep 15, 2017 - 2:56am
I have said elsewhere, you can't really trust wikipedia on anything remotely controversial.  But the above was simply a statement of the most basic facts, so I included it.  Thank you for the source material.
Saint George Added Sep 15, 2017 - 3:25am
Reports have been found in every major newspaper since the mid 1980s.  It has been reported by CBS, NBC, PBS and other respected networks for more than thirty years.
 
Wrong.
 
Now, post EVIDENCE that the settlements were and are ILLEGAL. Links are fine if you have them. Just be certain that the source in the link doesn't simply make the same claim without offering evidence. 
Simply Jews Added Sep 15, 2017 - 3:29am
" If you want evidence, googol it yourself."
This is a poor answer, FJ. You started with a claim that the Palestinian houses are being bulldozed to give way to settlements, remember. Then you switched to building in areas that purportedly belong to Palestinians, which is a bit different. 
Saint George Added Sep 15, 2017 - 4:17am
Downloadable PDF at the following link:
 
Fabricating Israeli History: The "New Historians"
by
Efraim Karsh,
Professor of Mediterrenean Studies
University of London
 
A cogent analysis of the misrepresentations, lies by omission, lies by commission, and overall distortion of historical facts, by a school of Israeli historians known as the "New Historians", which includes Benny Morris, Ilan Pappe, Avi Shlaim, and others.
Simply Jews Added Sep 15, 2017 - 4:24am
Your way of bringing up (dis)information  is kind of a comedy, John G. Mixing unrelated numbers, each one having different roots and reasons, partly relevant but mostly not, is not an art, it is rather a sign of poor debating technique. What do, for example, the (vastly exaggerated) numbers relevant to 47-48 have to do with Palestinian homes in Gaza destroyed as a result of a wat? 
Or Bedouin homes (which are not homes, in fact, but you wouldn't care about small print, would you?) destroyed as a result of being built on public land without permit, have to do with the rest of it?
Etc...
Keep plugging, you show yourself more and more clearly.
 
Not to mention that all your comments are intended to lead away from the subject of the post in question. Bad technique, professor.
Simply Jews Added Sep 15, 2017 - 4:39am
John G, the BDS dirtmouth and conspiracy theorist complaining about "Smears and insults"? Boo hoo... where is my hanky? 
 
As for that other rubber stamp comment: is it a standard BDS issue or you have compiled it on your own?
Flying Junior Added Sep 15, 2017 - 12:53pm
This article is current.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/middleeast/settlements-explainer/index.html
 
United Nations Security Council resolution 2334, which the United States did not veto, and was passed in December 2016, angering Israel, reaffirms this position. It states that settlements have "no legal validity" and constitute "a flagrant violation under international law." The resolution references previous Security Council resolutions 242, 338, 446, 452, 465, 476, 478, 1397, 1515, and 1850. Of these, 465, 476, and 478 established that settlements have "no legal validity" in 1980.
The International Criminal Court (ICC) currently has a preliminary examination underway that is looking into Israeli actions, including settlements, in the occupied territories since Jun 13, 2014. The examination, which is meant to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an official investigation, was launched on January 16, 2015.
Israel, along with a few legal analysts, disputes that settlements are illegal. There are three primary reasons they use. Some cite religious reasons, claiming religious scripture gives Jews a right to build anywhere in Israel and the West Bank. Others use historical reasons, saying Jews have lived in the region for thousands of years, and it remains their land.
 
I don't think the word evidence applies.  But the word shall definitely be used should this matter ever come to trial in the ICC.  Apparently it all stems from the Geneva Conventions on occupied territories.  An occupying force may not send in its own citizens to claim lands.  This is land that once belonged to Jordan?  Clearly the legal status is in dispute.  Lawyers on both sides have been working on shoring up their arguments.  The ICC opened up a preliminary examination as recently as 2014.  This may turn into an investigation.  The UN issued another proclamation in December declaring that the settlements were illegal which ambassador Samantha Power did not veto.
Simply Jews Added Sep 15, 2017 - 1:00pm
Yes, FJ, I know about all that is said in the article you refer to, although the legal issues are far from being all that clear. But I was trying to address that "Palestinian houses are being bulldozed to give way to settlements". All that I said that I don't recall settlements in the West Bank (Judea and Samaria, to be precise) being built on bulldozed villages. So let's focus a bit.
Simply Jews Added Sep 15, 2017 - 1:06pm
@John G:
 
"BDS is winning, troll."
 
Let's parse this statement.
1. "BDS is winning": So why are you so unhappy? Rejoice!
2. "troll" Definition: Someone who provokes or abuses others, esp. on the Internet. You are now on the thread related to my post, yakking incessantly on all kinds of matters unrelated to the said post, and I am a troll? 
 
You really should improve your logical thinking. You simply make no sense.
Simply Jews Added Sep 16, 2017 - 2:25am
"You are now on the thread related to my post, yakking incessantly on all kinds of matters unrelated to the said post, and I am a troll? "
 
No answer to that, I gather, just more trolling. Should I start to delete irrelevant comments, what do you say, John?
Simply Jews Added Sep 16, 2017 - 2:52am
"Well you've deleted plenty of relevant ones. "
What? I have yet to delete your comments. Only considering it.
"You keep complaining that posters respond to passages in your piece or to parts of the commentary."
It gets more and more bizarre. Example, please.
 
Simply Jews Added Sep 16, 2017 - 2:52am
And again:
"You are now on the thread related to my post, yakking incessantly on all kinds of matters unrelated to the said post, and I am a troll? "
 
No answer to that, I gather, just more trolling. 
Simply Jews Added Sep 16, 2017 - 4:06am
Now it is not right anymore. Comments by John G will be expunged no matter what the subject.