Relgion Does Matter

So, religion matters, after all. Sen. Dianne Feinstein grilled a Catholic nominee to the U.S. Court of appeals, Amy Coney Barrett, over her religious beliefs, especially, her views on abortion.  According to Democrats such as Feinstein, religious beliefs are not supposed to intrude into the law.  But, wait!  Feinstein follows the Judaic faith, and the Talmud permits abortion, calling the unborn baby a “pursuer.”  So, what is the Senator doing but defending a Judaic  intrusion into the law, and how did such an intrusion become the law in the first place?

            Dr. Bernard Nathanson, a founding member of the pro-abortion group NARAL and a former abortionist himself, wrote in one of his books that Judaic leadership dominated the abortion movement.   Not only that, but the strategy which the leadership devised included inciting hatred against the Catholic Church as a means of recruiting support from the general population for abortion.  That is still true today, as Feinstein’s performance spectacularly demonstrates.  Prominent Judaics in government, for example, Sen. Chuck Schumer, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Sen. Bernie Sanders, support Roe v. Wade. To emphasize my point, abortion on demand is a Judaic issue, and that issue has become the law of the land. 

Comments

Michael Cikraji Added Sep 20, 2017 - 10:51am
Ah, I was wondering what happened to all the Jewish conspiracy articles on WB!
So, if abortion is just a Judaic issue, why is it legalized and prevalent in Western Europe, where there are almost no Jews at all (particularly after World War II)?
George Kocan Added Sep 20, 2017 - 2:37pm
Are you saying that abortion is not a Judaic issue, that the most powerful Judaics in government do not support Rov. v. Wade?  Abortion is legal in Israel too.  Are you saying that Judaic persons have no political influence in Europe at all?  Is a conspiracy the only way that political goals are reached?
Bill H. Added Sep 20, 2017 - 3:10pm
Another example of the hypocrisies of all organized religions. They have been responsible for wars, conflicts, and terrorism for eons.  
Donald Swenson Added Sep 20, 2017 - 4:19pm
Let's drop the word religion and focus on the concept of Spiritual realities. Religion is man made and corrupt. Spiritual realities, however, are present everywhere. Words do make a difference. D
Don Added Sep 20, 2017 - 8:46pm
The question is was Feinstein even allowed to ask her question?  ...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States. Article VI
 
Eileen de Bruin Added Sep 21, 2017 - 7:33am
I am not sure that attributing one absolute to one religion is the right thing to do.  It is back to "them" and "us".  It is about a social culture and a coherent approach - cultures and religions and evolving are feeding our views of the world and issues inside of it.  The blame game gets us no where.  
Donald Swenson Added Sep 21, 2017 - 8:06am
Abortion on demand should not be politicised as it promotes a culture of legalized rules and regulations. Wouldn't it be wise to allow freedom (outside of government) for these moral issues? Government and abortion should be mutually exclusive IMO. D
Michael Cikraji Added Sep 21, 2017 - 8:19am
Hey George,
In the US, abortion is generally supported by the Democrats, and Jewish-Americans are predominately Democrats. But that doesn't make abortion a Jewish issue.....
Lesbians are also predominately Democrats. Does that mean that abortion is a lesbian issue? It's ridiculous to link the two.
And no, as I said, Western Europe lost almost all of its Jewish population as a result of Hitler's extermination policies. Jews don't have much of an influence in Western Europe today. But yet abortion policies are prevalent... maybe it's a lesbian issue after all.....
Eileen de Bruin Added Sep 21, 2017 - 2:13pm
It is a world issue and a life issue. It is an issue for us all.  Balance, equilibrium, understanding and trying to comprehend, rather than blame and point fingers and demand absolutes.  Perhaps?
Flying Junior Added Sep 22, 2017 - 2:32am
No one should have any decision power over whether or not to have an abortion other than the pregnant female.  To think otherwise is primitive and offensive.
 
Your post is blatantly anti-Semitic.  Don't attempt to deny it.
 
Abortion is a wedge issue.  A political football.  It is used to fire up the conservative base.
 
Most people oppose abortion.  If possible, it should be avoided.  But not every modern woman has the time to take one year out of her young life just to produce the offspring and then have it adopted out.  Women have careers.  This isn't the 1950s.  Women have the right to choose to do with their own bodies as they see fit.
 
Lastly, there are many Christians, Atheists and others who support Roe vs. Wade.  Most of us thought that it was long overdue.  Restrictions on abortion are attempts to control and subjugate women.
 
Protestors who prevent entrance to clinics and in some extreme cases even murder doctors are as despicable as any other violent criminals.
George Kocan Added Sep 22, 2017 - 9:34am
The Judaics in power have made abortion a Judaic issue, as I demonstrated in my essay.  I could have listed many more in the leadership of abortion movement and the related issues of sexual liberation.  I did not invent the relationship.  I merely reported it, as did Dr. Nathanson, who was involved with the issue from the beginning and who came from a Judaic family.  The Judaics used the Catholic Church as their foil to recruit Protestants and atheists to the abortion banner. In other words, they used the long history of anti-Catholicism in the US and a weapon against opposition to abortion.   Feinstein did the very same thing, crabbing about Catholic "dogma." This "dogma" asserts that all innocent humans have a right to live.   
Michael Cikraji Added Sep 22, 2017 - 9:53am
Okay George,
Say, for argument's sake, that you're right. Please answer these questions:
Why are Jews collectively pro-choice?
What is the gain?  
If it is a conspiracy, what could possibly be accomplished?
Eileen de Bruin Added Sep 22, 2017 - 10:11am
Flying Junior - well said!
 
George K:  why are you so obsessed with "The Judaics"?  Every single person in the world, in spite of their upbringing, culture, religious teaching (or indoctrination or plain brainwashing), can choose to see from their own, unadulterated, internal reasoning and being, what the truth might be.  It might be complex, but it doesn't have to be a focus on "them" or "those" at fault.  How on earth can any group of people be all of the same views and/or voice?  
 
Michael C., yes, a good question indeed.  What could possibly be accomplished anyway?
 
 George K:  I do wonder what your real, underlying, gripe is.
Steve Bergeron Added Sep 22, 2017 - 10:13am
Karl Marx, I think it was, said that religion was the opiate of the people.  He was against religion, as well as morality, because it was a hindrance to his philosophy.  Many now, without realizing it, have been sold a bill of goods, thinking that all religions are alike, and all religion is bad.  Marx would be pleased, I'm sure, as would all of the other Communist-inspired leaders the world has suffered under. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc.  An immoral, irreligious people are always easier to enslave than a moral, religious people.  The moral demise of a nation always precedes its ultimate demise.
 
Then, there are those who want to redefine religion, to try to strengthen their case against it.  Religion, properly defined, is submitting one's will to the will of God.  Whether a religion actually does this or not, depends on whether the religion is good or bad.  Trying to lump all religions into one group is either intellectually dishonest or just plain ignorant.
Steve Bergeron Added Sep 22, 2017 - 10:21am
Modern culture is characterized, unfortunately, by primacy of the autonomous will.  Rather than viewing and living life in the much broader context of the truth of things (reality), moderns view and live life only within the small confines of what they think, want, desire, etc.  If they don't believe it, understand it, agree with it, etc., then it's "bad."  Rather than seek the truth wherever it may be found, they try to define truth itself, which is most often a losing proposition. 
George Kocan Added Sep 22, 2017 - 11:15am
Why am I obsessed with Judaics?  The question addresses some article I never wrote.  Sen. Feinstein is the one obsessed with Catholic dogma and is willing to brow-beat a Catholic over it.  But, she is not alone, as I pointed out, as Dr. Nathanson wrote in his book.  More than just picking on a Catholic, she is defending a law which Judaics have helped put into place, a dogma having an origin in the Talmud, a highly regarded religious book.  Feinstein is accusing a Catholic of trying to do what Judaics have already succeeded in doing, that is, imposing their dogma on the law. 
Michael Cikraji Added Sep 22, 2017 - 1:27pm
George,
Say what you have here is true:
she is defending a law which Judaics have helped put into place, a dogma having an origin in the Talmud, a highly regarded religious book. 
Do you know what the Talmud actually is? It's also the Old Testament of the Christian Bible! So.... what you're saying is that abortion has its roots in both Jewish and Christian holy books.... It's a fundamental part of both religions....
mark henry smith Added Sep 22, 2017 - 1:31pm
Let's not forget our history. Humans have been putting out the unwanted since we formed groups for economic reasons. Some individuals who were expected to be burdens on the community would be left behind. We still do this, but in more subtle ways.
 
Abortion is a necessary step in the development of women's rights, for if someone is not allowed to have basic control over how their body is used we call that slavery and what right does the state have to make slaves of its citizens? And if we are supposed to limit suffering as a basic principle of human behavior isn't abortion a less agonizing alternative? And if we allow war to be legal, why not abortion? 
George Kocan Added Sep 22, 2017 - 2:39pm
The Talmud is different from the Torah, which does make up part of the Old Testament.  The Talmud is not compatible with Christian moral philosophy.  It is even hostile to Jesus and Christianity in general.  Converts from the Judaic religion, such as Nicholas Donin, have exposed the Talmud to Church authorities resulting in all the copies which they could find being burned.  Yes, let us not forget about human history which involves slavery and human sacrifice.  The Carthaginians threw babies into a fiery oven as a sacrifice to the god Moloch so that they could have economic prosperity.  We are supposed to learn from history not repeat it. 
Michael Cikraji Added Sep 22, 2017 - 3:13pm
The real answer to the abortion issue is the development of fetal transplantation techniques.
The idea is that a fetus is extracted from a woman that doesn't want the baby, and successfully transplanted into a woman who does want a baby, but can't have one otherwise.
That way both women win, and nobody has to die. Unfortunately, these techniques are still in development....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 22, 2017 - 3:31pm
Bill
 
Another example of the hypocrisies of all organized religions. They have been responsible for wars, conflicts, and terrorism for eons. 
 
Thanks. May that be the headline for the next centuries.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 22, 2017 - 3:34pm
Steve
 
He was against religion, as well as morality
 
Link on that ? I wonder when someone who fought for the rights of poor workers had no morality....
George Kocan Added Sep 22, 2017 - 4:06pm
The purpose of my essay was not to argue the merits of a moral code which protects all human beings.  It was to show how abortion became legal in a Christian country.  I have encountered the accusation that organized religion is responsible for wars and terrorism, etc.  I invite Stone-Eater to state his argument of how this applies to the subject at hand. 
Dino Manalis Added Sep 22, 2017 - 5:16pm
Religion matters, but politicians should stop arguing over it and support wise policies for the public.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 22, 2017 - 6:55pm
George K.
 
You send young, aware and strong people into wars which they have nothing to do with the reason and the goals and at the same time complain about fetuses being aborted ? Religion is was it always was; Opium for the masses, if not, people would see that contradiction.
 
I call that delusion. Ask your vets over there....
Tamara Wilhite Added Sep 22, 2017 - 9:53pm
Democrats have shifted from equality before the law to tiered morality and systemic discrimination by the law based on one's group / tribe.
Hence the double and triple standards, whether the wave of segregation on campus of whites away from everyone else to officially oppressed groups to be given extra points on any scale and additional moral weight whether in private disputes or decisions by public administration.
George Kocan Added Sep 23, 2017 - 9:43am
Stone-eater, you seem to think that allowing an abortionist to kill an unborn human being will end all wars.  But, as I said above, I did not write my essay to criticize abortion but to expose the anti-Catholicism of Sen, Feinstein and the Democrat Party in general.  And then, I have to ask, of all the religious dogmas to oppose, why would anyone oppose a dogma which demands protection of the right to life of all innocent human beings?
Tikno Added Sep 23, 2017 - 9:58am
I agree abortion for medical reasons. For another reason is murder. They're enjoy having sex but avoid the risk by finding justification by saying that is legal. Clever!
John Minehan Added Sep 23, 2017 - 11:55pm
Not the Talmud, in  Moreh Nevukhim (The Guide for the Perplexed) by the revered Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, of blessed memory, primarily known either as Maimonides or RAMBAM (1135-1205 CE), as a way of reconciling Jewish religious faith with the works of Aristotle, similar to the later St. Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274 CE) in Catholicism or Ibn Rushd, Peace Be Upon Him, also known as Averroes (1126-1198 CE), in Islam. 
 
The idea is that a woman carrying a child were the pregnancy endangers her life (maternal-fetal conflict) has  a right of self defense similar to one threatened by a brigand (rodefa).  This is somewhat similar to the Catholic (and Aristotelian) idea  of double effect where a woman may legitimately receive treatment to protect her own life and health while pregnant even though it is known to probably terminate her pregnancy wher that was not what she set out to do..   
George Kocan Added Sep 24, 2017 - 1:37pm
This apparently has been interpreted by pro-abortion intellectuals to include psychological injury, so that any abortion can be justified.  The fact still remains that the political leaders of the abortion agenda are exponents of the Judaic faith and that abortion is legal in Israel.
Steve Bergeron Added Sep 25, 2017 - 4:19pm
Stone-eater, only about 7% of wars were started for "religious reasons."  We must also acknowledge that there are good religions and bad religions. All religions are not alike, as much as anti-religionists would like to believe.  Also, some wars are justified, at least by one side.  
John Minehan Added Sep 25, 2017 - 4:35pm
"Judaic Faith?" 
 
Oy.
 
 
 
Eileen de Bruin Added Sep 25, 2017 - 4:44pm
To be or not to be then?   For whatever reason.
 
That is the question.
What is the answer?
 
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 10:42pm
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