What is a "Boy" or a "Girl", is it really somethign children can choose between?

Today gender is being redefined as a choice but that's a little like saying Gay People are "normal".  Both are distorted interpretations of existing words intentionally misused by people with agendas.

 

Normal has always had it's roots in statistics and never included anything unusual including geniuses, super athletes, straight A students, or even Gay People because the majority of the population doesn't have those traits.  Similarly the nouns boy and girl have always been in alignment with male and female genders which in Humans never changes.

 

Today we are telling children that they might have been born with the wrong genitalia and if so that can be fixed.  Children in elementary school learn about men who have become women and women who have become men.  I see lots of problems as a result but one thing is certain, at least at this time, no one can become male or female if they weren't' born that way because both are defined by their REPRODUCTIVE equipment.  Yes, I know that it's not PC to utter that fact but it's true.

 

There are many animals that transition from male to female or female to male, but ALL are defined as male or female by the reproductive equipment they have at the time they are being categorized.  In animals that produce sexually, the female sex ALWAYS provides the egg and the male the sperm, there are no exceptions.  That categorization has always applied even to sterile organisms.

 

Telling children they can choose is wrong because even if they want to it's physically impossible.  The best they can do is assume the physical appearance and pretend.  Perhaps that's why the highest suicide rates are among Transsexual people who swallow all the PC propaganda, spend tens of thousands of dollars for therapy and surgery, only to find out they are often worse off than they were before they did all that.

Comments

Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 24, 2017 - 3:49pm
I do not know how to say it any better.  Not that is state after state the citizen vote are over ruled by modern liberal courts to  create gay rights.  They think that they can change society on a dime by a ruling such as bathrooms.  The law may change by society applies common law.  Great article.
Leroy Added Sep 24, 2017 - 4:12pm
Great article and I agree, but I have one question.  What do we do about genitalia that is unclear at birth?  Doctors and parents sometimes have to make a call.
Dino Manalis Added Sep 24, 2017 - 4:15pm
Just ask the obstetrician and respect both genders!
Riley Brown Added Sep 24, 2017 - 7:00pm
Thomas, I have come to believe that lots of parents aren't great at parenting but the vast majority have their own children's best interest in mind.  That being said I think government entities rarely have our children's best interest in mind, and because of that think we are better off leaving all sexual orientation matters to the parents.
 
At least they really do care about their own children.
 
This afternoon I used two gentleness bathrooms, both had locks on the door despite the fact that there were multiple stalls in each and each also had a urinal.  One place had quite a line, despite the fact that there would not have been any line if all the stalls could have been used at once.  The bathroom rules are ridiculous.
Riley Brown Added Sep 24, 2017 - 7:03pm
Leroy in the one in a million birth were the genitalia are unclear I'd leave it up to the parents and their doctor.  Those rare cases have nothing to do with my forum topic.
 
If it were my child I would probably lean towards the preponderance of evidence, if they don't have a uterus I'd lean towards a boy, and if they do, girl. 
Stephen Hunter Added Sep 25, 2017 - 8:07am
Good article Riley, and a good topic that more people should try and understand. If more understood, there would be less conflict.  
Autumn Cote Added Sep 25, 2017 - 10:18am
Please note, it's against the rules to submit articles to this site unless you comment on the work of others.  
mark henry smith Added Sep 25, 2017 - 12:07pm
Riley, identities all over the place are being reworked and the modern generations understand that what we choose to be and what we are identified as being in societal terms are often in conflict. What is an employee? What is a spouse? What is right?
 
It appears that right is being allowed to exercise whatever identity we feel reflects our personal desires without that exercise imposing a conflicting identity issue on another person seeking an identity.
 
What I'm saying is that we're all seeking identities and we're all confused sometimes about what our identity should be. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 25, 2017 - 12:52pm
Yawn. Is that gender discussion ever ending ? Who cares about gender ?? CHARACTER is important, not who feels what gender he eventually might be or who fucks who. Sorry, blunt but true. We're no middle ages anymore.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 25, 2017 - 12:58pm
BTW: I am what I am. I can shed a tear at a movie or when I see poor people on the street, but I like computers and not the color pink. I like to wear African wide clothes because they are comfortable (here women would wear them and tax me as queer when I wear them, but not there). Is an Indonesian guy wearing a sarong a homo when he wears it in Europe ?
 
Could we get off that labeling shit one day and just let everybody do his thing as long as he doesn't harm others ?
Henry Ortiz Added Sep 25, 2017 - 2:40pm
Good article, unfortunately there is this thinking mentioned by Stone-Eater “everybody do his thing as long as he doesn’t harm others”.
 
Eventually it will harm you if it becomes a “norm” for the majority. One day someone is going to say that having sex with a 14 year old, as long as it is under his/her consent, it is ok; and of course by then sex will be considered as having a piece of chocolate, and it will be accepted as that. 
 
I am amazed when teenagers from high school mentioned to me that they have seen friends having sex in the patio of the school and nobody said anything, those kids told me that teachers are aware of it but do nothing. Is that ok?
 
I agree that some general things are of your business and nobody should care but things like boy or girl, yes that should be a concern for us.
 
I know some of you, or many won’t agree with me but time would be the witness of who is right.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 25, 2017 - 4:52pm
It struck me as odd, this idea of "gender neutrality."  A person I work with and I discussed this.  On the one hand I agree that children are, to a sense, "gender neutral," the roles we assign boys and girls mean nothing to infants, toddlers and little children.  
 
We dress little girls up in pink dresses and we dress our little boys up as super heroes because we like them to look that way.  As adults we find this adorable, we take millions of pictures and videos, post them all over Facebook and Tweet them to our friends and relatives.  Children like the attention and ham it up for us.  I know this first hand, I have two sons, a nephew and seven nieces.  I've been a part of their lives since they were infants (especially my children) and saw all of this.
 
The reality is that children like what they like and wear what they want when given a chance.  One of my nieces liked dressing up as a cowboy (not a cowgirl, she made a clear distinction) and my youngest son liked pink.  When he was little he was a beautiful baby, sometimes he was mistaken for a little girl with his big eyes and curly hair.  None of this bothered me.  Now that same niece enjoys looking like a little girl, my youngest son stopped liking pink a while back.
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 25, 2017 - 5:00pm
Cont....
 
But the reality is that boys and girls have different plumbing and have to be potty trained.  This is where I get a little exasperated with this whole "gender neutrality" thing.  It simply doesn't exist, except for those born as hermaphodites.  Sexuality is different altogether, enjoying the same sex, different sex or both is simply a different conversation.  
 
I don't believe in putting "neutral" or "other" on a birth certificate.  I say as the child gets older they can decide what they want to be but an infant has no idea.  Let biology determine what goes on a birth certificate, let's not complicate this more than it needs to be.  
 
This person I work with disagreed with me over this but could not provide a compelling argument otherwise.
Lynn Johnson Added Sep 25, 2017 - 6:21pm
>> Today gender is being redefined as a choice...
 
Which is like redefining light and dark as a choice or as something subjective. 
 
I may tell you that I'm a fiddler crab.  I may even scuttle around on all fours and eat rancid meat to prove it.  I may have one appendage surgically enlarged over the others.  I may believe in my heart of hearts that I am indeed a fiddler crab and persuade others to affirm that belief.  Does that make me a fiddler crab?  No more so than changing one’s gender.
 
>> Today we are telling children that they might have been born with the wrong genitalia and if so that can be fixed. 
 
This is a form of child abuse pushing an agenda and subject that should be left exclusively to parents.  It should be illegal.  Those with irrational demented ideals must often seek to bypass societal barriers and safety valves to spread their radical ideology.
 
>> Telling children they can choose is wrong because even if they want to it's physically impossible.  The best they can do is assume the physical appearance and pretend.
 
As one who believes in personal freedom, I'm all for allowing those who wish to pretend the right to do so at whatever level of personal expense or mutilation they wish to pursue.  But that is a decision for an adult.  Nothing should be done in this regard (not even preparation through hormones) until one reaches legal adulthood.  Not even parents should be allowed to make such irreversible physical decisions.
 
What we are seeing is a symptom of our culture decaying (morally and rationally).  One must wonder if Rome saw something similar in its last dying days.
 
Thanks for the article...
Riley Brown Added Sep 25, 2017 - 9:31pm
Mark I re-read your post several times and people can rethink their identity as often as they want, but if they have a vagina they should be called a girl, and if they weren't born with one they should be called a boy, end of story. 
 
If you have serious doubts about your gender I feel sorry for you, but I don't think it's because the meaning of the words has changed.
Riley Brown Added Sep 25, 2017 - 9:34pm
Stone-Eater, you may not care about gender but lots of people do, and these days lots of people are attempting to convince our children they can choose their gender. 
 
A whole lot of people who believed that kill themselves every year after they discover it's not really true.
Riley Brown Added Sep 25, 2017 - 9:41pm
Henry I rather doubt the real life percentage of the population that is LGBTQ is going to change because I believe you are what you are and will eventually discover the truth even if you buy into and live a lie for many years.
 
Our tolerance for public displays of sexuality have changed drastically over the years from a time when anything more than a kiss was banned from the silver screen to today when things like Viagra are marked on prime time TV.  I think it's slowly moving the other way even today but perhaps not.  Fewer kids are having sex at an early age then in the 70's but that's also got a lot to do with where they live.
Riley Brown Added Sep 25, 2017 - 9:54pm
Jeffrey gender is not a choice and not listing it on a birth certificate is silly because 99% of the time children grow up quit happy to be the gender they were born.  Throwing their lives into chaos over a one percent chance without any real upside is foolish, after all, how can you imagine that 1% could possibly benefit from a neutral birth certificate?  I can think of many ways they might be embarrassed or humiliated by the fact that gender was left off.
 
Even the 1% won't really be helped, they have huge identity issues to deal with and whether or not their birth certificate has their original birth gender on it will be the least of their problems.  I'm sure they won't be angry with their parents for looking between their legs at birth and writing down what they saw.
Riley Brown Added Sep 25, 2017 - 10:02pm
Lyn, I too think it should be illegal for us to allow children, or anyone under the age of 18 to alter their bodies with hormones or surgery for the purpose of "changing their gender", not just because they are too young to really know what they want and it's irreversible, but because so many who do are so unhappy with the result that they kill themselves.
 
The therapists and surgeons are making a great living off a group of people that most of them know would be less likely to kill themselves if they never heard of gender reassignment surgery.  I don't know how the medical industry has managed to reconcile that statistical fact with their Hypocritical Oath, I sure can't.
Jeff Jackson Added Sep 25, 2017 - 11:05pm
Riley, you use the term "gender" in place of sex. I am sure that is because you have been taught and encouraged to use the term "gender" when, in reality, what you are referring to is sex. The definition of gender is: "the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones)." Male or female is a sex, and that is the biological term for it. Using the term gender brings along ideas of what culturally or socially is determined. We are not born of a gender, we are born as a sex, male or female.
The politically correct are continuously insisting that children are a gender, and not a sex, as male or female. When using the term gender, it is encouraging children to consider themselves in a cultural perspective, and not as a biological one. You are what you are, boy or girl, and children need to be identified as one or the other, which with few exceptions, they are, by nature, and not by society or culture. I am not at all surprised that the transgendered have high rates of suicide; they are confused people, and encouraging them to assume a role different from what their natural born sex has determined them to be is only more confusing.
It is not that I do not have sympathy for those who, for whatever reason, do not consider themselves being their natural born sex. Encouraging these confused people to attempt to be another sex than their natural born sex is not serving them well, nor, in my opinion, is it healthy for them. If anything, it only confuses them more. Most people have both male and female attributes, such as loving children as a female trait or being attracted to machinery as a male trait. This is not unusual, in fact, androgyny is in many cases a very admirable trait. But we have carried androgyny too far, and need to teach children that they are male or female, but having the trait or characteristics of the opposite sex does not mean that they are destined for an inevitable sex change, it only means that they are androgynous.
Michael B. Added Sep 25, 2017 - 11:30pm
Riley, you never answered my question! Are you M or F?
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Sep 25, 2017 - 11:37pm
Absolute nonsense Jeff, gender is male or female. Sex (or screwing, fucking, shagging, etc) is how you have fun and make babies. 
John G Added Sep 25, 2017 - 11:46pm
When I went to school 'gender' was a grammatical term and only a grammatical term. As in him/her.
Male or female was sex.
Michael B. Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:24am
You bitch you cunt you dyke you whore....you dick you cunt you fag you...wait, I ran out of epithets!
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:17pm
@Riley. Neanderthal man specie is basically extinct. He lost sight of true north regarding reproduction. Homo sapiens' got it. But his gender identity crisis is now going to the extreme and could cause his extinction.
 
Let think of the experience of early people.
 
Homo sapiens. Ah so, for a child to be created, he has to put his in hers. He cannot put his in his, neither can her in hers. Solved it. We are different.
 
Neanderthal.  I dont remember. Let me put mine in his. Let her put hers in hers.  Ass hole. No baby.  Shit! What are we going to do? Homo sapiens has gotten it right. Let us adopt from him.
 
@Michael. Your use of a minstrel avatar has a historical pedigree in racism and discrimination. What is the foundation for your usage? Might I suggest you use a Swastika?
 
Tikno Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:38pm
Everyone is born with his own destiny. Why this issue questioned by you? This is more to the parenting responsibility.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 26, 2017 - 1:26pm
Yawn. We get distracted by such bullshit while WWIII is looming around the corner. Good work, media.
John G Added Sep 26, 2017 - 8:31pm
Exactly SEF. Russia is intimating that US forces were behind the killing of a Russian general in Syria but nothing in the MSM.
Riley Brown Added Sep 26, 2017 - 9:03pm
Jeff Jackson, yes it would be more correct to say sex than gender but today it's PC to ignore the sex and focus on a much more vaguely defined thing called gender. 
 
I have no doubt that our new found ability to offer confused and sometimes mentally ill people the choice and ability to spend lots of money to "change their sex" has ruined many more lives than it's helped.  In our rush to save these poor people we've encouraged them to spend a fortune and go though horrendous amounts of personal sacrifice and pain, all the time telling them that there is a green pasture on the other side, and for most of them it's a complete lie.
 
I never meant to suggest these people would be happy without hormones or surgery, but I do say that selling them a lie and encouraging them to make huge sacrifices so they can get to those "greener pastures" on the other side, is immoral and should be illegal now that we know most of the time they end up worse off.
Riley Brown Added Sep 26, 2017 - 9:06pm
Dr Green, perhaps I'm overthinking your post or just to simple minded, but you sound more like a Christian Preacher than like you are commenting on my topic.
 
Can  you please be more specific for those of us who are not that deep.
Riley Brown Added Sep 26, 2017 - 9:09pm
Tikno, I agree I think this is best left to parents, who I've previously stated are much more likely to really care about our children than politicians who obviously don't.
 
I care because the PC crowd is using teaching and avoiding bullying as an excuse to confuse young children, and I think their end result is immoral and should be illegal.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 27, 2017 - 3:50am
@Riley. Just a commentary at the genesis of  sexuality. Was it by trial and error? How did man learn to fuk? What was the consequences of doing it. When did he figure there was his and hers and the proper input produced a desirable output. Some how the species that figured it out advanced our race. The thing now is that the same process of discovery is being repeated in an age of enlightenment.
Riley Brown Added Sep 27, 2017 - 8:13pm
Dr Green, I don't think animals including people need to understand how propagation works to have and want to have sex, dogs and even rabbits have tremendous sex drives but I rather doubt they have any idea it leads to pregnancy.
 
I expect that if children were raised with no guidance, they would experiment a lot, do what feels good, andnot even connect their actions to the pregnancy, and why should they.
Pbier Added Sep 28, 2017 - 4:14am
Riley, a great article with economy of words. In other words, clear and to the point. Bravo.
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 5:12am
Riley..this is an interesting perspective.   I cant address that other than opinion because like everyone on this page I am not transgender.  However, (yeah you knew it was coming) a good friend of mine in high school, who we (two of my gay friends, my best friend and myself) affectionately called queenie.  Great guy, bitchy at times, like all of us, but a great guy.   It was unheard of to ever discuss as a child being gay, let alone anything else.
I had a Bf outside of school, so I pretended to be a GF to one of the gay guys in our group.   I never saw anything wrong with it..but in small town America, they had problems with it. 
The transgender guy was beat up more times than I care to mention. The two gay gentlemen were usually covered by my best friend and I...but even she and I got into fights protecting them. 
 
I understand it is perhaps NOT the best position to raise a child that it is ok to be either.  But hiding from an issue is a larger problem and one I cannot support.   I dont think it is ok to make the decision for a child, the child as an adult should make an informed decision. 
I can tell you that  my friend "queenie" came in  to see me one day at my job, years later.  One of the most beautiful women I have ever seen and very happy.  So perhaps you have a point.
mark henry smith Added Sep 28, 2017 - 4:23pm
Everybody's confused about something.
 
Riley, born with both, get to choose. Born with one, so be it. Sorry, babe, it doesn't work that way. Maybe we get to choose too much. Like in Europe they have unisex bathrooms so people who want to have sex can do it in the bathroom making washing up easier. Here we force gay people to be the only ones legally able to have sex in bathrooms and I find that to be completely unfair.
 
I have never had an identity issue with anything except Christianity and the Democratic party. I'm a proud, heterosexual American trying to secure a better life based on the fruits of my labor. But as a gay American pointed out to me, being heterosexual is nothing to be proud of and by the same token being a gay American is nothing to be ashamed of and the same goes for the trannies and all of those out there who feel their identity is mocked. 
Riley Brown Added Sep 28, 2017 - 9:32pm
Thank you Pbier, I appreciate the compliment.  I do try.
Riley Brown Added Sep 28, 2017 - 9:39pm
Wsucram, I too know Gay folks who have suffered at the hands of people who thought picking on them was fun or perhaps even justified but then again also know lots of other people who aren't Gay who also got picked on for a host of other reasons. 
 
I have often concluded Gay sometimes makes a good excuse but bad people are jerks and jerks do lots of stupid things, including picking on other people for whatever reason is readily available.  Just because sometimes that reason is "because they are Gay" doesn't always mean they are homophobic, it often just means they are opportunistic jerks.    in the absence of Gay people they would be doing the same to someone else. 
 
I think we need to focus on their bad behavior and forget about the excuse, who cares what the excuse is.  An especially strong punishment because the victim was Gay or even a policeman, belittles everyone else, including old folks, who are equally victimized but not told their lives are as valued, as is reflected  in the unequal punishment.
Riley Brown Added Sep 28, 2017 - 9:43pm
Oh no Mark Henry, you too can use the third choice restrooms and have all the sex you want in them.  Now don't you feel better?
 
I remember my first sex, I was in the dark, I was scared.... and I was alone.....   Oh darn, I wasn't going to share things like that in a forum... darn....
Tamara Wilhite Added Oct 3, 2017 - 4:58pm
Thank you for the balanced and well reasoned article on this subject.
Riley Brown Added Oct 5, 2017 - 7:52pm
Tamara, thank you.
 
It's a real hot button subject so I was trying to be respectful without being so PC that I ignored common sense.