AN ESSAY ON HATE IN AMERICA

Hate is on the rise in America and our President is doing little to stop it. Frankly his tepid condemnation only serves to encourage it.

 

It’s now been two weeks since the horrific events in Charlottesville, Virginia. Two weeks allows commentators like me the time to take a deeper look at the situation, to look beyond the headlines and sensationalism and place the information on the scales of analysis.

 

The U.S. doesn’t keep good data on hate crimes so it’s hard to paint an accurate picture of just how much racism and anti-semitism there is but I think most people would agree that if there is any it is too much. According to Slate white supremacist and white nationalist activity is on the rise, from more aggressive recruiting online, to active organizing and intimidation on college campuses. Law enforcement officials in cities such as New York have seen a surge in reported hate crimes, and the Southern Poverty Law Center reports an increase in the number of hate groups.

 

To some of you this swastika has little meaning. You might know it had something to do with world war two but not much beyond that. To Jews it means 6,000,000 murders of their friends and relatives. Six million murdered because—they were Jewish. To them that swastika is the most offensive, vile and repulsive sign there is. It should be to all the rest of us, too.

 

nazi flag

 

kkk cross burning

 

An equal number of Americans might see this picture and vaguely remember it had something to do with racism before the civil war. They would be wrong. It had a lot to do with it and it still exists. To the great majority of African Americans, Jews and others, that picture and the association with the confederate flag represents the murder of an untold number of their ancestors. Lynchings, shootings, burnings, bombings, rapes and beatings were doled out with impunity and the law looked the other way. If you wonder why Jews and Blacks react so negatively to these pictures and symbols now you know. They are more vile than the worst pornography, more offensive than the most graphic horror movies. Jews and blacks are not making these things up, they are real and they are still happening. But it’s not only those two groups who are being victimized, It is women, Asian Americans, Native Americans, Latinos, Muslims and more.

 

Anyone with a skin color different than that of the white supremacists or a religion that differs from their brand of Christianity is a target for those who believe that only White Christians should have any right to live. And women? Women are sub-human. They have no rights and are nothing more than baby machines according to these haters. Those are the people who marched on Charlottesville two weeks ago, those are the people responsible for killing a young woman by running a car into a crowd, those are the people who have been emboldened and are flexing their muscles more every day. They are the people who proudly fly the confederate flag as a symbol of the south they would like to return to. The stars and bars of the confederacy has been hijacked by hate. Originally it stood for a society that enshrined slavery and that’s reason enough to dislike it but the Nazis and their fellow travelers have taken it to a new low because now it stands for state approved murder of blacks,Jews, homosexuals and several others. Just the sight of that banner sends shivers down the spines of many a minority because it threatens the lives of their friends and loved ones. Try to adopt the historical horror experienced by  African Americans or Jews for just a minute and you might begin to understand.

 

klan symbol with conf flag 

trump

 

Recently in his third iteration of a statement about the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, President Trump said that not all the people in the Nazi, KKK and White Supremacist demonstration were bad people. “Some,” he said, “Are very fine people.” Let’s be clear. There is no evidence, none whatsoever that any of them were “very fine people.” Here’s the truth, the real story.

 

At first blush the story was fairly straightforward. The city planned to take down a statue of Confederate General Robert E Lee and relocate it. In the south one can expect that such a decision will cause some disagreement and that was certainly true in Charlottesville. But — the protesters who filed for a permit to demonstrate against the action weren’t your everyday “The south will rise again” peaceful demonstrators. This time it was a mixture of white supremacists from the alt right, the American Nazis, the Ku KIux Klan, the White Nationalists and a few more.

 

lee statueUnite the right

 

While the story was published and broadcast locally, most of the rest of the nation was not aware of the statue issue or the hate groups or the scheduled protest until they saw the violence on TV. But don’t be fooled, these cowardly haters didn’t just materialize like a genie out of a jar. Neither the demonstration nor the violence were spontaneous acts. It was all planned, choreographed like a Broadway musical. This demonstration had been planned and publicized for some time. Certainly everyone in Charlottesville knew it was coming, they knew its purpose and they knew who the sponsors were. It had long been promoted as a “Unite the Right’ White Nationalist Rally.” It is hard to believe that any thinking, “fine” human being would innocently join the rally totally unaware of the Nazi, White Supremacist and KKK literature, signage and chants.

 

The group’s names clearly identify who they are and what they believe. There were about a thousand of them dressed appropriately for their role in the coming melee. Some were armed and some carried banners and signs proclaiming “White Power.” Other signs were anti-Jew, anti-black, anti-immigrant and sexist. They chanted Nazi themes like “Blood and Soil” and Si Heil”, sang Nazi Songs and hurled hateful, obscene epithets at the crowd surrounding them. Upon seeing the group there could be no doubt of their intentions and of their leanings so the President’s comment that there were some “fine” people involved is a reflection of what he wanted to believe, not what reality revealed. “Fine people don’t participate in such demonstrations.

 

Some protesters who came for the “Unite the Right” rally were armed with guns and clubs and other assorted weapons. Many were dressed inmilitary-like clothing, while others wore shirts with Nazi symbols and quotes from Adolf Hitler. One shirt said, “Diversity is just a genocidal scam.”

 

armed naais 

 

The events in Charlottesville, Virginia are not only sad, they are discouraging because the frequency of hate demonstrations seems to be increasing. These haters are emboldened by two forces, one of them is a small but very vocal part of our society that creates and actively spreads hatred and includes the Nazis and the Ku Klux Klan. The other influence is a much larger segment of the population that opposes the haters but rarely confronts them because they, “don’t want to get involved.” Yes, the haters are despicable human beings, but those of us who allow it to happen without challenging them must share some responsibility as well. You cannot proudly say, “I am not a racist,” yet shrink into the background when given the opportunity to fight it. Telling your friends you are not a racist is easy, it takes courage to tell a racist you disapprove of his or her behavior. We must all speak up. If you oppose hate, it’s time you made yourself heard.

 

Racism, hatred and intolerance have always been part of America and for a time it appeared as though the hate groups might be losing influence but a familiar face and name jump started the disease when Donald J. Trump and his overtly racist “Birther” movement claimed Barrack Obama should not be President because he was not born in the United States. For five years Trump canvased the country spreading the “birther” lie, five years of promoting racism. The White House put the issue to rest when they released Obama’s birth certificate which proved Trump wrong. On September 16, 2016 Donald Trump finally publicly admitted that President Obama was born in the U.S.

birther

 

When people of power and influence spread racist lies those lies live long after they have been proven wrong and even today there are still people who believe what Trump said. Our first African American President was the subject of a vicious racial attack from a man who has since proven himself to be either a racist or a very serious sympathizer.

 

If Trump wants to save his presidency, and it is doubtful that he can, he should immediately tell the racists, sexists and other haters that he doesn’t want their support, doesn’t agree with their agenda and will continually condemn them. And – he can’t say it just once. That language is going to have to become part of a long-term communication effort.

 

But – let’s be realistic. It isn’t going to happen. He made it perfectly clear twice that he wants everyone involved in the violence to share the blame. He fails to recognize that it was a Nazi who killed a woman and it was Nazis who came armed with various weapons fully prepared to physically harm people. It is the Nazis and their followers who glorify the holocaust and support a return to slavery. The conclusion, then, is inescapable. When a President who is supposed to unite us under ideals that value diversity and free expression, refuses to condemn racism then he is a racist. The Pardon of Sheriff Joe Arpaio is a stark reminder of President Trump’s true character.  He may on ocassion say the right words, but his actions almost always make the words a mockery.

 

Now we learn that besides firing Steve Bannon, one of the architects of Trump’s racist policies, the President also fired Sebastian Gorka a man with alleged Nazi ties. Some might find comfort in that news. I don’t. The problem is at the top. It is Trump who sets the tone. It is the President who signs the orders and makes the policy. It is Trump who enables and emboldens those who demonstrate, kill and maim. It is Trump who commands the airwaves, and makes the news, It is Trump who tweets outrageous comments in the night. It is Trump who just pardoned Sheriff Joe Arpaio and therefore it is Trump who is clearly communicating his own intollerance, racism and sexism. It is Trump who turns a blind eye towards the perpetrators of hate by saying many sides share the blame — many sides.

 

Upon watching the shameless display of hate and violence in Charlottesville, I am left with one simple question, why? What do the Nazi’s and others seek to accomplish by these demonstrations of hate? The answer is all too obvious. Hate begets hate, violence and dissension. That’s what they hope to accomplish. They want to keep ripping and tearing at the fabric of America so that neighbor is against neighbor and brother opposes sister. They seek to cause society to be so unruly and so violence prone that only the installation of an American Fuhrer and the resulting suspension of civil rights can bring law and order back to our society. That’s what they want. But the law and order they seek is based on hate, not on justice.

 

Who are these haters that fly Nazi flags and salute Adolph Hitler. These ultra-right or alt-right radicals are mostly separate groups of ignorant bullies whose cannot survive civilized debate so instead they choose hatred, violence and the threat of violence. They are mostly uneducated gorillas whose entire political philosophy is made up of simple sounding slogans and sound bites. Theirs is a world of thuggery. When they can’t have their way they don’t negotiate they gather up clubs, boards, guns, signs with offensive slogans and seek to eliminate their opposition. They ignore, of course, that those they seek to exclude are every bit as American as they are. These terrible Jews, African Americans, Muslims and others are ironically, the same people who work hard to pay the taxes that allow the haters to have clean air, water, law enforcement, superhighways, schools and all the rights they seek to deny to others.

 

True patriots don’t attack fellow citizens because of the color of their skin, their country of origin, their religion or their sexual preference. True patriots understand the strength of diversity, when they see disagreement they negotiate, they encourage debate, support the right to free expression and condemn in no uncertain terms anyone who proposes that one race, one religion or one gender is superior to another.

 

leadership

 

We live in trying times. Never has this country needed leadership more than it does right now. We need a President who speaks out against evil, who stands up for the values that carried us through world wars, depressions, recessions, assassinations and natural disasters. We need someone who offers hope, a brighter future, equality for everyone, equal opportunity, respect, honor, dignity, integrity, honesty. Instead we have a President who doesn’t even know the meaning of those words.

Once upon a time that very same White House fought against slavery and for civil rights, equality and free expression but the new occupants have a different view they would seek to repeal those ideals that caused us to become a beacon of hope to opressed people everywhere. We have a president who is quick to anger, blames others for his own failures, trusts no one, lacks knowledge, ignores his own experts and gets his intelligence information from TV. The nation is confused and has nowhere to look for direction. Our President should be encouraging, inspiring and comforting us. Instead he comforts our enemies, offends our friends and continually disappoints us in times of national crisis. He is rude, fowl-mouthed and inarticulate and when he can’t have his way he responds with tweet tantrums.

 

A lot of good people voted for Donald Trump. They wanted to be recognized, to be given a break, to have good jobs and to be respected. Slowly they are recognizing that the tough talking “I’m for the little guy” candidate was only interested in himself and that he would say or do anything to get votes. Millions voted in good faith for the man they thought really cared about them. Now they are seeing his duplicity, lies, contradictions, reversals and inability to govern. Slowly we are all seeing the emergence of the dark forces that were behind his campaign. Evil people that would send us spinning back to the days of Colored and White drinking fountains when discrimination was legal, intolerance was the norm and violence against minorities and women was acceptable behavior.

 

When demonstrators chant Nazi phrases, carry signs proclaiming white superiority, and advocate for the Ku Klux Klan one doesn’t need a study group to determine their motivation. Anyone who does not condemn hate and the violence that attends it is as much a part of the problem as those who carry the signs and swing the clubs.

 

President Trump’s condemnation was a tepid attempt at best. The President did not single out white supremacism as did almost every other elected official from both parties, rather he mentioned them and then added that others shared in the blame or as he said, “many sides,” and then he who won’t read a briefing paper suggested that he would have to “Study” the demonstration. Study? The guy who hires people to study for him and boil it down to one-liners wants to Study? What’s to study? It doesn’t take study to know that the President’s equivocating on who is to blame in Charlottesville gives the hate mongers tacit approval to continue their behavior and they are already taking full advantage of it. Many of their leaders like David Duke are publicly thanking the President for his comments.

 

Trump’s reluctance to confront enemies is beyond ones ability to comprehend. To me it is an inescapable conclusion that when you refuse to condemn evil you are in fact endorsing it. You don’t need any more proof of his endorsement of violence and illegal activity than to remember his undying loyalty to Vladimir Putin. It is with that same loyalty that Trump refuses to criticize the alt right or the hate groups.  Mr. Trump has not only allowed, but has recruited aides who echo many of the Al-right hate messages. His acquiescence and even encouragement has allowed the “alt-right” agenda to gain steam.

 

edmund burke

 

Racism and intolerance are taught, we are not born hating anyone. We are taught to hate by people ignorant of the truth, who have not bothered to discover it. Ignorance is the birthplace of evil. Many take pride in ignorance and seek to glorify it, they lambaste education and the educated and believe that being “Street smart,” is all the education they need. The result is what we witnessed in Charlottesville. I think we are better than that.

 

And from where I sit, that’s the truth

 

Peace

Comments

EXPAT Added Sep 25, 2017 - 3:14pm
Very professional collection of Bullshit. Was this produced by Antifa?
 Where is all the Black Lives Matter information? Where is all the Berkley
Eh never mind, Propaganda 100%
wsucram15 Added Sep 25, 2017 - 5:26pm
Welcome to Writer Beat..you are going to have fun on here.
On another note, Expat and I differ in ideology so it was well written, just perhaps still searching for an understanding where there is none?
Trump looks for the newest narrative or creates one like the NFL/fans thing. Its got everyone up in arms which is literally the dumbest thing I hae ever seen.  You either believe in the first Amendment or you do not.
 
Same thing to you.  You either believe in free SPEECH or you do not.  This does not include actions.  It was pointed out to me the other day that people dont understand that HATE speech IS PROTECTED by the 1st Amendment.  What is not protected is "fighting words"..different scenario.
I dont understand why people have to hate or want to be hated, but they do. They enjoy the drama and chaos that comes with the confusion of trying to figure it out. Stop trying. 
Leroy Added Sep 25, 2017 - 7:10pm
It seems quite clear that anyone you disagree with is a hater.  The article appears to be delusional.
John G Added Sep 25, 2017 - 7:27pm
As the economic elite's looting of the economy continues and accelerates and the wars abroad spread and the police state tightens the need for diversion via fake populist fascism gets stronger.
The population is on the left so the distraction has to be on the extreme right.
Trumps just playing a part in an elite play.
EXPAT Added Sep 25, 2017 - 8:11pm
wsucram15.
This clown is not new to WB! THEY have published this left wing propaganda before, and run away when exposed. I am just tired of preaching to the choir and they are not worth my time.
EXPAT Added Sep 25, 2017 - 8:15pm
The last time he pretended to be a medical doctor! They always delete their
articles and rarely answer comments.
Bill H. Added Sep 25, 2017 - 8:31pm
 
I'm totally convinced that Trump enjoys every bit of controversy, hate, and division that he can possibly cook up. We have all witnessed the near-orgasms he gets when stirs up his supporters at his "rallies".
This Orange Buffoon is doing a great job of MAKING AMERICA HATE AGAIN. We are seeing it everywhere. Out here on WB, and in our communities. I know of two marriages that have been ruined due to disagreements over this idiot over the last 6 months.
WTF!
William Stockton Added Sep 25, 2017 - 8:32pm
I hate liars.
"President Trump said that not all the people in the Nazi, KKK and White Supremacist demonstration were bad people"
 
That is a lie.  These lies are the reason the left will keep losing and losing.  Get used to losing.
 
Here is what Trump actually said,
"But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me. Not all of those people were white supremacists, by any stretch. Those people were also there because they wanted to protest the taking down of a statue, Robert E. Lee. You look at some of the groups and you see—you know it if you are honest reporters, which in many cases you are not—but many of the people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. This week it's Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. Is it George Washington next week, and Jefferson the week after?"
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 25, 2017 - 9:17pm
Jews have AIPAC, blacks BLM and so forth to promote their agendas and that is just alright to the so-called left yet when white people organize to promote their agenda they're Nazis. I'm not buying it. Off you go now, mind the gap between train and platform. Bye.
John G Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:13am
The Odessa Cover-Up: Washington and Kiev’s Crime Against Humanity
Heres the sort of thing that modern day Nazis are capable of.
And bare in mind that these thugs were supported by the Obama regime and let loose by a zionist Jewish US Under-Secretary of State i.e. Victoria Nuland, married to an arch neoconservative propagandist.
 
The whole thing is a bi-partisan show.
Bob Aronson Added Sep 26, 2017 - 3:48am
Well, hello all. I appreciate all of your comments. I am not associated wtih any organization nor am I controlled by anyone. I am just a retired old guy who reads a lot, thinks about what he reads and then I publish my thoughts. If you disagree that's fine but I am my own man. Some of you said what I wrote was BS or propoganda. It's not. What you read here is based on many hours of research. Thanks for reading.
John G Added Sep 26, 2017 - 3:55am
There's an extreme right core here at WB who can't conceive that their fascism is anything but normal and that the left (anyone left of Mussolini basically) should burn in hell.
That's the extent of their political-economic repertoire really.
They're just brainwashed.
And really stupid. And mean. And hateful. 
And yeah, most of them are capable of murder probably.
But ... you know..... you have to humour them.
john guzlowski Added Sep 26, 2017 - 10:48am
It's weird that people would attack this article.  I wonder they are coming from.  They seem to exist in an America that doesn't exist.  The people attacking this article seem to not understand where they live, what America is and what it should be.  Odd.  I would love to hear them explain where they get such white supremacist views.  
Lee Webster Added Sep 26, 2017 - 11:21am
Some hate is misdirected hate, but some hate of follower behavior hate - they hate because they hate etc.
 
Anyone perceived to have advantages can be hated by the disadvantaged, or oppressed vs oppressor class.
 
Actual injustice does happen to people of all shades.
Bob Aronson Added Sep 26, 2017 - 11:44am
Let me respond to a couple of things.
1.  Bob Aronson is my name and I don't' write under any other name or for any group.
2. I don't delete my posts just because they are criticized.
3. I will respond to comments that make sense. A comment like, "Bullshit," makes no sense and offers no evidence.
4.  Criticize my writing if you like, that's fine but try using verifiable facts, citations, quotes, links. If all you can do is repeat what you hear from Fox, Hannity, Limbaugh and their ilk you'll not get a reply because you've offered nothing.
5. Everything I write is researched and the facts cited are verifiable. To refute them by saying bullshit is bulshit.  Thanks.
Mike Haluska Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:00pm
 
Anybody on the Left want to live in the present?   Just curious.
Mike Haluska Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:17pm
Bill H - your accusation:
 
"This Orange Buffoon is doing a great job of MAKING AMERICA HATE AGAIN."
 
is ass-backwards, just like your thought process.  Whether it's California Berkely Campus, Charleston, NY City, etc. it has been VIOLENT HATRED & CONFRONTATION BY THE LEFT that have been displayed.  President Trump is vilified by the left and progressives for pointing out their own intolerance and hatred.  The left and progressives will no longer have a coward in the White House that will be complicit with their propaganda. 
 
The election showed that the people who work in this country and have been marginalized, ignored and cursed by the establishment Democrat Party have had enough of their crap.  The left is on its last legs and knows it - that's why they are so desperate.  The DNC's bank account is down to $4 million - IN THE RED!  The RNC's bank account is taking in record donations and stands at an all-time high of $88 Million!  Most of the donations come from average income donors who send in contributions every time the left pulls stunts like they have.  So please - keep up your socialist antics a few more months so we can grab the 26 Democratic Senate seats in Red States and usher the Democratic Party to the "Ash Heap of History"!
 
We're going back to following the Constitution.  We're returning our nation to exceptionalism and greatness.  We're returning to earning a living MAKING THINGS and rendering the Welfare State obsolete.  We're showing the light of freedom - not dependence - around the world and not apologizing for it.
 
                                   My advice - get used to it!
wsucram15 Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:23pm
Mike..no hate allowed.   Not towards anyone.  I have an article going up shortly I want you to read.  Its really good.
 
Mike Haluska Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:29pm
wsucram -
are you addressing me?  where is the "hate"?  disagreeing with the left is "hate" but the left beating the crap out of college kids going to listen to a conservative speaker is "peaceful discord"???
Bill H. Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:34pm
 
Mike - Just like you, Trump is an angry man, and the last week has shown this quite plainly. He looks for, and feeds on all of the negativity in this country and if that's not enough, he is constantly busy trying to figure out how to generate more.
He has absolutely no compassion, nor any desire to really make this country great. He seems to be happy simply creating as much chaos as he possibly can.
How we can sit back and watch our country go to shit is beyond me.
Tag me with all of your labels, and continue your rage in Underlined Bold Italics as you try your best to silence me. I hope you are taking good blood pressure meds, or making good use of some medical cannabis on occasion. 
 
Bob Aronson Added Sep 26, 2017 - 12:38pm
Some non-thinkers confuse disagreement with hate and protest with anger. Have you considered the Fear factor? Many Americans are afraid of the Trump assault on the constitution and his policies that favor the rich to such an extent that he is slowly wiping out the middle class. I hate no one. I would be happy to have a debate based on facts with anyone but it seems that when we criticize Trump, it is the right that responds with name calling, invective, rumors, and lies. I wish Trump luck, I wish he had sensible health care policies, that his tactics with North Korea worked and would not result in war. If he is successful I'd be the happiest man in the world, but i'm not holding my breath. 
Mike Haluska Added Sep 26, 2017 - 2:31pm
Bill H - really???  Typeset "silences" people???
 
You need to step back and analyze "who" is creating discord and "who" is merely responding to it.  President Trump didn't come out with a statement declaring "nobody can kneel at NFL games" - the players did it FIRST and President Trump (who has the same First Amendment rights as NFL players) responded to their actions.  So Frakkin' what???  President Obama has been out of office since January and he constantly criticizes the President - that's his right.  And it's President Trump's right to respond to President Obama's comments.
 
President Trump hadn't even taken office and he was being pilloried and insulted constantly by the left - who just can't take their own medicine and accept they lost the election!  President Obama did a lot of things I and lots of other Americans didn't like, but you never saw us display anywhere near the vile hatred and disrespect shown by the Democrats and the left.  Tell me what would have happened if a conservative entertainer displayed a bloody dismembered head of President Obama or accused Michele Obama of being a prostitute like the left did with Melania Trump!!!
 
This hatred and intolerance isn't confined to politicians - the mainstream media has abandoned all pretense of objectivity and journalism and has become the Propaganda Arm of the Democrat Party.  If the "country is going to shit" like you say, show me where the President has taken any action outside his authority to cause it.  No my friend, the trouble is being caused by a bunch of hypocrites who simply cannot accept the fact that their "sacred cow" Hillary Clinton lost the election. 
 
Also, you need to consider the "public persona" vs. the "private persona" of the people you consider supporting.  President Trump has one "persona" and you never have to guess if he's going to do what he says.  I think that is refreshing for a political leader.  I assure you that Hillary Clinton is NOT a sincere, open, honest person - how can she be?  Her entire political career is tied to the success of her husband and the corruption surrounding them both.   
john guzlowski Added Sep 26, 2017 - 2:36pm
Mike, I like Trump's persona.  He's not afraid of grabbing a woman's pussy, not afraid of calling a guy a son of a bitch, not afraid of dodging the fucking draft for years and years, not afraid of telling black men like Obama that they don't belong here.  
 
Trump is the real America.  
 
Make America Hate Again.  
Mike Haluska Added Sep 26, 2017 - 2:42pm
Bill H -
 
I am not trying to silence you or anyone else.  I emphasize my points to make sure you completely and accurately interpret them.  If you are unable to rationally refute them, that is not "silencing" you anymore than moving a Chess piece into position to have you declare "Checkmate" is!
 
Despite your rantings about really amount to insignificant events in the big picture, our country is making real progress in areas that matter to everyone's daily life.  Business is rebounding well, good jobs are being created, illegal immigration and drugs are way down, the demand for unemployment benefits, welfare, etc. is way down, food stamp assistance is HALF of what it was in January, our Veterans are being treated much better and incompetent VA bureaucrats are finally able to be fired, etc.   
John G Added Sep 26, 2017 - 3:47pm
 The left is on its last legs and knows it - that's why they are so desperate.
And yet Bernie Sanders is far and away the most popular politician in America.
Go figure Mike.
Dino Manalis Added Sep 26, 2017 - 5:15pm
Hate breeds more hatred, we need to come together with peace; understanding; and brotherhood.  The president should also make every effort to bring us together, not tear us apart with his rhetoric.
Flying Junior Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:30am
The U.S. doesn’t keep good data on hate crimes so it’s hard to paint an accurate picture of just how much racism and anti-semitism there is but I think most people would agree that if there is any it is too much.
 
I'm sure the top commenters on your post have successfully disabused you of that notion.
Flying Junior Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:32am
Dino,
 
Are you kidding?  Let's all look to Trump for the end to this divisiveness!
 
Don't make me laugh.  Trump is the embodiment of hatred.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 27, 2017 - 3:31am
Good. Article. Hate speech is also protected. President Trump cannot go south on the people based on Constitutional restraints. In Bushes terror alert color code levels, Constitutional rights were gladly given away to the gov for it to protect us. Obama used sweet words to further erode constitutional rights. As hard as he tried, he could not take away Americans gun. It was stupid to think a Black man financed by a Bloomberg could get Americans to give up their guns. And if such tragedy was averted by decent extreme groups, the nation owes them gratitude.  I read a response where the resulting chaos of Americans fighting Americans would allow for martial law, giving the gov a way to suspend civil rights. Anyone who thinks Trump is stupid had better think again. However,  anyone who thinks Americans' distrust of its government has waned had better think why Americans will never give up their guns. Perhaps a civil war with northerners using spit balls against armed to the teeth southerners may supply a the justification for dictator in waiting Trump.
Mike Haluska Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:32am
John G - your claim:
 
"And yet Bernie Sanders is far and away the most popular politician in America.
Go figure Mike. "
 
is pointless.  He wasn't even "popular" enough to beat one of the most despised people in America even though all he does is pander to parasites who believe the government is a big "candy store" that gives away "free stuff"! 
 
It's easy to be "popular" in this country because almost half of the population is dependent on the government!  Politicians who tell this bunch that they'll get more "free stuff" will always be "popular" with those receiving the largesse and highly unpopular with us who work and live in the real world.
Mike Haluska Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:01am
John G -
as a fellow alumnus of Purdue University I am astonished at your vitriol for those who disagree with you.  I never watched "The Apprentice", never read "The Art of the Deal", paid no attention to who Trump was divorcing or marrying and generally think he can be an overbearing jerk at times.  He is what he is.  Do you think "silver-tongued" Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton are mild-mannered, benevolent and caring when nobody is watching? 
 
Would I hang out with Trump? No!  Does he filter what he says/tweets (I don't do any "social media") so as not to offend? No!  Would I hire him to put up a building for me and do it on schedule, within budget?  Hell yes!
 
None of the personal stuff above has anything to do with whether or not President Trump does what he says he will.  The fact that he DOES do what he says is what scares the Hell out of Democrats and establishment Republicans.  A politician who says what he means (as unpolished as it may be) and does what he says is a welcome surprise in my view.  It is possible to dislike the non-essential personality crap and support the actions and intentions of a person.  Unfortunately, most Americans base their opinions on what they see and hear on TV and pay no attention to what politicians actually DO!    
Mike Haluska Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:03am
Correction to above - should be addressed to John Guzlowski
john guzlowski Added Sep 27, 2017 - 1:01pm
Mike, you would hire Trump to put up a building for you?  Even if you knew that he screwed a construction company of undocumented slavic workers who he hired to take down a building?  Because they were undocumented and couldn't really use the legal system to defend themselves, he ended up screwing them out of the money they contracted for.  These were the guys who took down the building that made room for Trump Tower.
 
Here's one of many articles about it. 
 
http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/
 
My "vitriol" is sarcasm and irony.  I learned both working on my PhD at Purdue.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 27, 2017 - 1:52pm
@John. "My "vitriol" is sarcasm and irony.  I learned both working on my PhD at Purdue."
 
I use it too, along with allusion . I find that some here are confused with their usage. The good thing about it is I can write a paragraph and four different meanings are derived.
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 4:47pm
Haluska.
Stop dodging and address the issue I raised. Bernie Sanders IS the most popular politician BY FAR in America. And he's to the left of the Democratic Party.
It makes a mockery of your theory.
The electorate thinks your right wing voodoo sucks.
Mike Haluska Added Sep 28, 2017 - 12:35pm
John G -
 
Taking credit for being "the most popular politician in America" is like taking pride in being "the most popular venereal disease in America"!
 
I am quite pleased with the fact that President Trump is NOT a politician and doesn't suffer those fools!   
Mike Haluska Added Sep 28, 2017 - 12:46pm
John G -
You're going to drag up a story about an incident that occurred almost 40 years ago?  How many buildings has Trump put up since then?  I know this as a Purdue Civil Engineer with almost 40 years experience (damn - can't believe I graduated almost 40 years ago - 1978) that you can't last very long in the construction business if you don't build on budget, on schedule and pay your sub-contractors.
 
So is Trump a Saint? Nope.  So is Trump a failed builder? Nope.  I have done my research on Trump's business - especially how he treats his employees.  Check for yourself and you'll find nothing but high praise from almost all of his current and past employees.  I would prefer a man who actually owned and ran a company over somebody who never worked a day in the private sector every time.
Mike Haluska Added Sep 28, 2017 - 12:58pm
Bob A - where do get the idea:
"Many Americans are afraid of the Trump assault on the constitution and his policies that favor the rich to such an extent that he is slowly wiping out the middle class."
 
Exactly which Constitutional right has been taken away from you by President Trump?  President Trump has every establishment politician, Wall Street Banker, Billionaire pissed off because he is eliminating their decades old scams that sold our high paying manufacturing jobs to foreign nations! 
 
As far as taxes go, the Middle Class is about to get the largest single tax reduction in history, the number of tax brackets reduced to 3, almost all tax shelters/deductions for the wealthy eliminated and an additional tax on the wealthiest Americans.  Reducing the maximum corporate tax to 20% will attract and grow millions of jobs while repatriating $TRILLIONS parked in overseas bank accounts!
 
Stop with the "Class Envy"!  Punishing the successful has NEVER done a damned thing for the poor and middle class.  It makes NO SENSE that people who pay NO TAX (poor) should feel angry about people who pay 80% of the total taxes (top 10%) getting a tax break!  I mean - how can you give a tax break to someone who doesn't pay taxes???
Bob Aronson Added Sep 28, 2017 - 2:40pm
If you need proof of the hatred that exists in America you need go no further than reading some of the responses to my piece. Most of them are emotional outbursts based on rumor and gossip and offer little in the way of verifiablle evidence that their contentions are accurate. It is because of this kind of thinking that education and the educated are demeaned. People that actually do research on critical issues and then consider alternative solutions are viewed as "eggheads" and therefore worthless. The Trump movement is an extension of the anti-intellectual movement and that manifests itself in the dreadful state of today's education system. They are the science deniers, that force of people who reject sound thinking and research in favor of conspiracy theories, and anecdotal evidence. Most who quote the constitution have never read it or the federalist papers or the supreme court decisions under which we live. Few are aware that the bill of rights, for example, guarantees us no rights. It guarantees that the government cannot take them away because they are inherent. I will close with thiw thought. The responses are what I excpected and make me fear for the future of our country. Now we'll see more hate rather than rational well-cionsidered arguments. 
 
Mike Haluska Added Sep 28, 2017 - 3:16pm
Bob A -
Your post above is an indictment of most of the anti-Trump'ers if you look at the ACTIONS of both sides.  I submit the following:
 
1) Which group has been attacking the other at public events, threatening the speakers and audience, burning down buildings and property, etc.?
            ANTI-TRUMP
2) Which group supports pseudo-science of "Consensus Science" and ignores 40 years of ridiculous "Imminent Doomsday Forecasts"?
            ANTI-TRUMP
3) Which group doesn't know or care to understand the Constitution?
            Those who have been advocating "free stuff" like college educations and perpetuation of the Welfare State - ANTI-TRUMP
4) Those who don't understand that the Constitution's purpose was to define and limit the authority of the government, not "bestow" the people with rights, property or life.
             Those who think DACA is a law and it was OK for Obama
              to make it up - ANTI-TRUMP
5) Which group is refusing to accept the results of a lawful national election and conduct themselves in a mature, respectful manner?
              ANTI-TRUMP 
Mike Haluska Added Sep 28, 2017 - 3:44pm
Bob -
I wholeheartedly share your concerns about the proliferation of hatred (both sides) around the nation.  I saw a lot worse growing up in the 1960's when political leaders and leaders of peaceful movements were being assassinated.  Everybody needs to calm down and actually give the President a decent chance!  I was no fan of President Obama's policies (like a lot of people) but I recognized he won the elections and remained civil.
 
President Trump hadn't even taken office and the opposition party was determined to negate the election, destroy his Presidency, accuse him of treason, etc. and it hasn't stopped since!  If President Trump doesn't keep his promises to those who elected him, he will be gone.  We didn't elect him to a lifetime post - just 8 years maximum. 
 
There are good things happening to Americans since President Trump took office!  Our national GDP is over 3% and rising steadily - Obama told us 2% would be as high as it would ever get again.  The stock market reaches new highs every other week, which is great for anyone retiring or soon to retire.  More manufacturing jobs have been created in the past 9 months than the previous 3 administrations.  We are no longer closing plants and shipping our high paying manufacturing jobs overseas.  We're about to get the largest middle class tax cut in modern history and a simple tax system (3 brackets!).  We are making massive transfers of power AWAY from Washington DC and back to the states.  The list goes on. 
 
But what is the Mainstream Media focusing on?  Idiots fighting over removing statues that have been in place for over 100 years.  What kind of shoes Melania Trump wears on Air Force One.  President Trump firing an FBI Director that only 3 months earlier THEY WERE DEMANDING BE FIRED. 
 
Look - President Trump can be an overbearing jerk, I get it.  I also understand that I didn't vote for him to become the church choir director.  Our nation is in serious trouble and everyone in Washington (both parties) is whistling along ignoring it.  In the previous 8 years our National Debt more than doubled to an incomprehensible $20 TRILLION.  More debt was piled on during the last administration than the previous 43 COMBINED!!!  The "Swamp" needs to be drained, and those people who have been getting wealthy in the "Swamp" don't like it when somebody wants to put an end to their Gravy Train.
Bob Aronson Added Sep 28, 2017 - 5:15pm
It is easy too refute each of the points made against the items I wrote but it is also an exercise in futility. I don't write to persuade Mr. Trump's base, I write to inform those who have open minds and understand the value of critical thinking. Donald Trump is not the issue, the issue is the United States and its future. He is a speed bump who likely will be removed from office before the end of his first term, provided we survive it. 
John G Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:27pm
Haluska, you are such a dishonest doofus. You can never answer a starightforward question or proposition.
Mike Haluska Added Sep 29, 2017 - 11:47am
Bob A - your statement:
 
"I don't write to persuade Mr. Trump's base, I write to inform those who have open minds and understand the value of critical thinking."
 
merits a reply.  Thanks for clearing that up.  "Critical Thinking" would be required to refute the points I made, but you chose intellectual laziness instead by ignoring them.  Here's a tip:
Having an "open mind" doesn't mean you accept anything your presented.  It means you analyze what's presented and respond rationally whether you end agreeing or disagreeing. 
 
John G - your accusation:
 
"You can never answer a starightforward question or proposition."
 
merits a response.  When I get a "straightforward question/proposition" from you I will be happy to address it.  So far it has been nothing but baseless nonsense and insults.  So, in the interests of fairness, I challenge you to ask me a "straightforward question".  I promise I will answer it if and when it ever appears.  
    
Mike Haluska Added Sep 29, 2017 - 11:53am
Bob A -
I am still awaiting your response:  Exactly which Constitutional rights have you or anyone else been denied by President Trump?  Being a "Critical Thinker" you should be able to list a couple of the top of your head.
 
If you can't find an example of President Trump denying someone their Constitutional rights, then as a "Critical Thinker" you should retract your claim as baseless and false and apologize.  If you insist on holding your position without evidence, then you're intellectually dishonest and NOT a "Critical Thinker"!
john guzlowski Added Sep 29, 2017 - 1:30pm
Bob, welcome to the club.  When I first posted here I couldn't believe the racist, anti-semitic, thoughtless, and personal attacks I got.  
 
It gets easier the longer you are at writerbeat.  You learn to ignore the posts by people who are always racist, anti-semitic, and thoughtless.
john guzlowski Added Sep 29, 2017 - 1:36pm
Mike, Trump's employees have nothing but "high praise" for him?
 
You may have gone to Purdue but you aren't doing your homework.
 
I googled "Trump employees complaints" and came up with article after article of him stiffing his employees.
 
Here's one:
 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/report-workers-at-trump-golf-club-in-dubai-complain-of-labor-abuses
 
Here are some more: 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/donald-trump-unpaid-bills-republican-president-laswuits/85297274/
 
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-lawsuit-contractors
 
Let me know if you want to read some others.
 
 
john guzlowski Added Sep 29, 2017 - 1:39pm
Mike, in case you don't want to read the articles.  Let me summarize.
 
He's received 3500 official complaints.  
 
There are currently 65 lawsuits filed by employees trying to get the money he owes them.
 
Trump's motto: Make America Underpaid again!
Bob Aronson Added Sep 29, 2017 - 2:04pm
y are you so angry. Can't we have a discussion without the anger?  Sure I'll answer your question. I don't expect you to agree. If, though, you take the time to study the constitution and past SCOTUS decisions you will find merit to what I'm about to say.
 
 
President Trump has tried several times to limit constiututional rights, fortunately he has been stopped. His proposed ban on Muslim immigration would have prevented many Muslims in U.S. Military service from becoming citizens, fortunately the courts stopped him. 
 
Besides seeking to ban Muslims, he also said he would close some mosques and put others under surveillance without their knowledge. That is not only a violation of the first amendment but also of the fifth amendment which guarantees Due Process of law. That's a direct attack on the constitution and is about as blatant as you can get. 
 
The first ten amendments to the constitution are known as the Bill of Rights. They were written by James Madison and added to the document in 1791. The First amendment is one of them and it alone offers five rights 1) free press 2) Free expression 3) Freedom of religion 4) freedom to peaceably assemble and 5) freedom to petition the government for redress of grievances. Trump's attacks on all five of those elements have placed what the courts call "A chilling effect" on freedoms.
 
The Bill of Rights prohibits GOVERNMENT from restricting those rights. The President being part of government cannot by law do that. When he took the oath of office to support and defend the constitution he also took an oath not to interfere. Yet he tried to stop Muslims from entering the country, a direct viiolation of religious freedom. When he said flag burners should lose citizenship, he was violating free expression, when he threatened to change libel laws to make it easier to sue the press he was in potential violation of press freedom. The average person can make those threats with impunity but not the President because he is part of GOVERNMENT.
 
Trump's Threats "Chill" those rights because some may be afraid to expxress them as a result and that's a violation of the First amendment.  The public and its institutions should never "Fear" government yet that's exactly what the President loves to do. Fear and intimidation are two of his favorite tactics but as President he's not allowed to use them on his own citizens.
 
Trump cannot admit failure, he cannot admit mistakes so when failure and mistakes are pointed out to him, he attacks the person or persons making the charges, thus overstepping his authority. 
 
James Madison wrote the first amendment to prevent exactly what Trump is doing. He knew that when the public, the press, and others are afraid to speak out because of government intimidation that we no longer have a Democracy. Trumps constant barrage of tweets and other attacks have caused the very fear that Madison wanted to prevent.
 
As I said, I don't expect you to agree and frankly I fully expect that you will dismiss what I have said as nonsense but if you read the constitution and why it was written you'll find the logic I've used is sound and the facts irrefutable.  Thank you for your interest.
Mike Haluska Added Sep 29, 2017 - 4:18pm
 
Bob A - your "facts" need correction:
"His proposed ban on Muslim immigration would have prevented many Muslims in U.S. Military service from becoming citizens, fortunately the courts stopped him."
 
There is no "ban on Muslims" - there is a ban on certain countries ALL OF WHICH WERE ON OBAMA'S RESTRICTED NATION LIST.  Second - there are NO MUSLIMS in the military "awaiting citizenship"!  You cannot be in the US Military unless you ALREADY ARE A US CITIZEN!!!
 
 "he also said he would close some mosques and put others under surveillance without their knowledge."
 
No mosques have closed - find one if you're going to make "factual statements"!  The FBI has been conducting surveillance of Muslim mosques since before 9/11!  And do you actually read what you wrote?  How can you "put others under surveillance and NOT do it without their knowledge?  Are you proposing that the FBI announce "Hey you in the mosque - we just installed hidden electronic surveillance" to people they are going to put under surveillance???
 
"Trump's attacks on all five of those elements have placed what the courts call "A chilling effect" on freedoms."
 
This is where you get really off the rails!  Name ONE "attack" on ANY of our personal freedoms by President Trump.  I can go up and down the list of anti-Trump assholes who burn down university property, assault guest speakers and audience members, prevent access to events, etc. 
 
This is the Frakkin' reason I get so frustrated with you and Bill H!  I repeatedly ask you to give ONE DAMNED EXAMPLE of something you claim President Trump did, and YOU NEVER CAN!  President Trump has every right to the First Amendment as everyone else.  What you are pissed off about is that there is finally a conservative in the White House who doesn't hide and keep quiet while you try and paint him as a racist, tyrant, etc.  Bill H just admitted he just doesn't like President Trump - fine!  I respect him for finally being honest.  What I don't respect is people rationalizing their hatred by making up bullshit to justify it!
 
Now - if you have the courage . . . one more time - legit answer please, not some rumor, innuendo, impression, etc.  tell me:
Name ONE "attack" on ANY of our personal freedoms by President Trump. 
 
If you can't then please be man enough to admit it and acknowledge your unfounded hatred.
Bob Aronson Added Sep 29, 2017 - 5:49pm
As I said I knew you would reject this so there's no point in talking. I stand by what I said and by my explanation. My facts are correct as are my conclusions, but thanks for trying.
 
Bob Aronson Added Sep 29, 2017 - 5:49pm
And ;by the way, I hate no one. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 30, 2017 - 4:33am
Seldom have so many words been used to repeat the same thing and say so little
John G Added Sep 30, 2017 - 4:54am
BA And ;by the way, I hate no one. 
It won't stop all the fascists here hating you.
Most of the posters here would be marching with those nazi clowns if they had the courage. (Or the money to get there).
Bob Aronson Added Sep 30, 2017 - 7:27am
John G.  Thank you for your support and understanding. I have been trying to get people to focus on the big picture but to do that you have to get behind the headlines and study both American history and American politics starting with the writings of the founding fathers. Unfortunately, too many people make decisions based on sound bites, quotes, rumors and tweets. When decisions are made based on the emotion generated by a phrase like, "Make America Great Again" they are conceived in a vacuum regardless of your political preference. Unfortunately, too many of us have a tweet mentality that tells us that the information contained in 140 characters is all we need to make a decision. 
Bob Aronson Added Sep 30, 2017 - 7:35am
Mr. Haluska. You said, 
"Name ONE "attack" on ANY of our personal freedoms by President Trump." 
I named several, all of them legitimate and all of them verifiable. It is not my fault if you choose not to read or if your bias causes my words to be invisible to you. A hint for you. If you really want people like me to think your way and to accept your point of view a good start would be to quit insulting us. Name calling and profanity say more about you than they do about me. I want a discussion, you want a fight. Sorry but I'm not interested. Your response to this will say a lot. 
Bob Aronson Added Sep 30, 2017 - 8:34am
Elsewhere here it was mentioned that the Trump tax cuts will cause corporations to hire more people. That's not quite accurate. The conservative myth is that if corporations make more money they will hire more people so tax breaks will help them do that. Here's the truth. I owned my own business for 25 years. In that time I spent considerable amounts of money to help it grow and accumulated debt to do that. Often when times were tough I took no pay but always made sure my employees got their paychecks even if I had to borrow money to pay them. When the good times come along a business will do the following if they are profitable. 1) pay down the debt ... interest is expensive 2) reward the people on the inside who helped the company become profitable 3) invest in more research & development and attempt to increase demand for the product (s).
 
Nowhere on the list is "Hire more people." Hiring more people depends on increased demand for your product(s) but the first thing you do is get all you can from existing employees. Then you might hire some part timers, but you never hire just because you have the money to do so. Hiring is almost a last resort. No one says, "Wow we've got all this money, let's hire some people." They will update equpment, training, R & D, pay higher dividends to shareholders, give raises to executives and others but why hire people you don't need. Can you imagine General Motors hiring 100 people and then let them sit around until the business comes in so they have something to do? It just doesn't work that way. 
 
When to hire is always a difficult decision and successful businesses only add employees when there is an overwhelming need to do so and there is ample evidence to indicate the employee not only has a positive effect on the bottom line but will do so for an extended period of time. No one hires out of the goodness of their hearts and stays in business for very long.
John G Added Sep 30, 2017 - 3:43pm
Hiring more people depends on increased demand for your product(s) 
Indeed. But they're all supply siders here. They scoff at the very notion that demand drives the economy.
Someone will come along and quote Says Law shortly.
As though it hasn't been debunked by logic and history.
opher goodwin Added Oct 1, 2017 - 12:26pm
Trump is encouraging division and exploiting it. He works on hatred. That's populism for you!
Mike Haluska Added Oct 2, 2017 - 10:26am
Bob A - your claim:
"I named several, all of them legitimate and all of them verifiable. It is not my fault if you choose not to read or if your bias causes my words to be invisible to you."
is puzzling.  Statements like "banning Muslims from immigrating" is not "trampling on the rights" of any AMERICAN because Muslims (or anyone else) from another nation are NOT AMERICANS!  The Constitution is neither binding or applicable to other nations or their people.  And the Constitution grants the President the power to limit immigration as he sees fit - it's there in plain English.  
 
Here's what I respectfully ask of you: 
Show me a specific legislative act signed by President Trump that curtails the rights of ANY AMERICAN. 
 
Your claims about cutting corporate tax cuts bear scrutiny also.  First of all, the overall economy consists of more than your small business.  Taxes play a huge part in business growth, capital investment, facility location, etc.  To illustrate this, think about these examples:
 
1) Suppose it was announce today that effective January 1st, 2018 ALL corporate income taxes were eliminated.  How do you suppose all of the "Greedy Capitalist Pigs" around the world would react?  Would they close down all of their US facilities?  Would they relocate facilities to nations with high corporate tax rates?
 
2) Now suppose it was announce today that effective January 1st, 2018 ALL corporate income taxes were raised to 95%.  How do you suppose all of the "Greedy Capitalist Pigs" around the world would react?  
 
You know the effect on the economy of both scenarios.  Corporations foreign and domestic would be tripping over themselves building manufacturing plants, distribution centers, etc. in the US if taxes were drastically reduced.  The demand for labor to not only build the new facilities but the labor to staff them would make a huge positive increase in employment. 
 
The economy can be thought of as "engine" - it has inputs (labor, capital, intellect) and outputs (profits, goods and services).  Taxes and unnecessary regulations are "friction" that delete output.  An economic "engine" that has less friction has higher output at lower cost, making its products more attractive than their competitors.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 2, 2017 - 12:05pm
Mike...get your stories straight and be consistent.  Here's what you asked me. Exactly which Constitutional right has been taken away from you by President Trump?  I answered the question in detail. I explained the constitutional "Chllling" effect. I stand by my answer you just choose to ignore the truth. As to your theory about business and the "economic engine" Give me an example of any company that hired people when they didn't need to and let them stand around waiting for work to develop. C'mon. Demand creates jobs, not tax cuts for the rich. This entire conversation is silly. You ask a question, I answer it and because you don't like my answer you change the question. I told you earlier, I'll be happy to  discuss issues, but only with someone who is iinterested in discussing them. I have no interest in being the target of your continuing barrage of insults and condescending attitude. When you decide to be civil let me know. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Mike Haluska Added Oct 2, 2017 - 12:53pm
Bob A - your challenges:
 
"I answered the question in detail. I explained the constitutional "Chllling" effect."
 
Is completely arbitrary and in your head.  I asked for a piece of legislation or action that denied a US CITIZEN his rights, you don't have one!  A "chilling effect"?  . . .  like when one of the IT techs working for Hillary Clinton gets murdered and the 4 other IT Techs who were already given prosecutorial immunity suddenly have "nothing to say"???  Why grant immunity if they offer no testimony?  I think the 4 remaining IT techs could give you a lesson on what a "Chilling Effect" really is!!!
 
"As to your theory about business and the "economic engine" Give me an example of any company that hired people when they didn't need to and let them stand around waiting for work to develop."
 
Basically ALL of them!  Nobody starts a new enterprise with guaranteed long term customers - that's why they're called ENTREPRENEURS!  I have personally designed and engineered facilities where the labor was hired and in place before a single customer order was received.  How many iPhone orders were in place before they built the first iPhone manufacturing plant?  How successful would you be if you went to potential customers and said:
 
"I have this totally new product that is going to revolutionize the communications industry - however, we have no prototype, no manufacturing facility and no trained workers.  How many would you like to order?"
 
I am endeavoring to be civil and criticize your ideas - not you personally.  If there are things I can do to emphasize that objective I would appreciate any suggestions you may have.  There is no doubt a lot we can learn from each other.