THE US NEEDS WAR TO SURVIVE...

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Ok. I know that you won't agree and bash me again. Because I'm not American and I dare to tell my POV ABOUT the USA, which, some people, wrongly call "America". America is a continent, and Africa is not a country ;-)

 

I don't want to repeat all that old stuff here, and I don't post many links, I can later, if you want me to, but I think you already know many of them and will find an answer to excuse US foreign behavior. Because patriotism justifies any action apparently.....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

 

Now, let that sink in. Does a DEFENSIVE nation act like that ? Not quite....

 

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/america-war-93-time-222-239-years-since-1776.html

 

That's enough. Is that all a hoax ? To me, it is evidence that the United (?) States of North America always survived on war. Because war boosts economy. No matter what pretext was and is being used - Communism first, now Islam. The Marshall Plan after WWII suited well to boost US economy. Who supported Hitler first and then fought him`?

 

Who supported Saddam first (against Iran) and then fought him ?

 

Syria......Israel.....the list of conflicting "interests" is never ending.

 

It's the economy, stupid. But people don't seem to realize that. Oil and gas and geostrategic interests. When do people in the US wake up ? We in Europe know, at least many of us.

 

You don't, in the majority apparently. Because many people are so ideologized by the media that most people think that the whole world consists of the US of A only, and the rest is like a go-between.

 

Get your country back on track. But not on the back of others, as you did so many times.

 

The world is no soap opera or comedy show. Even if twittering Trump thinks it is. War is no fun and no golf course.

 

I don't accuse anyone here personally, we're all just grains of sand on an immense beach. I just want to make you THINK. Because we in Europe are afraid of the US of A. We think your country is somewhat out of control.

 

Get some responsable people on top or change the system. 320 million people should be enough to get a change. And I say that to the PEOPLE, not to any -ism fanatic ;-)

Comments

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 9:55am
I'm prepared for a shitstorm. How dare you US-hating European to rant against us on a US website LOL
 
Just start to think .....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 9:55am
...but DO read the article. And try to question.
wsucram15 Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:25am
You know..I used to argue with YOU about his, but we are of equal minds on this.  If you can understand that Iran-Contra actually did happen, then you understand terms like parapolitics and "invisible government". 
Peter Dale Scott is an author of numerous books and apparently the first author to discuss the 'deep state" (war, militarism, and intelligence which have increased power of Presidencies).  Secondly the "deep state" works with private Corporate power, associated with finance, the arms trade, and fossil fuels.  Also there is a third element which are the lifers in the US agencies that Trump cant get rid of, that people hope are resisting him.
Yeah 320 million should be able to do something, but SEF, you have to get them out of the SUVs and off the couch first.    I tink the most activity I have seen is the latest football NFL thing.  Boy people are upset about that.  So stupid...we are looking at some serious issues and idiots are burning jerseys.  OMG. 
But SEF, its America.  The Government and people have little in common with each other.  Ive been telling you this for 4 years.
George N Romey Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:38am
The Deep State needs war to prosper. We have no leaders here willing to take the Deep State on. I personally would love to. Sure I will end up dead but I'm going to die in poverty as an old person anyway.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:42am
Jeanne
 
I can sign all that. I'm simply frustrated by the fact that so little people (also in Europe, but less) see the connections.
 
I tink the most activity I have seen is the latest football NFL thing
 
This only illustrates how easy it is to get people off really important subjects and get them focused on bullshit which appeals to EMOTIONS.
 
I bet when Trump gets cornered enough he will start a new little war so he can present himself after as (c) Bush "Mission accomplished" LOL
 
And internal problems will get into the background.
 
It always works to rally the sheep behind the leader. Thatcher made that elegantly on Falkland. It's not a US phenomenon. People are stupid everywhere...
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:45am
George
 
I'm going to die in poverty as an old person anyway.
 
I would too here if I'd stay in Switzerland. I already told you ;-)
wsucram15 Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:59am
So George..Im listening...talk to me.  How do we take on the deep state effectively?
Trump (admittedly ) is one of the best screw ups for them. But he has help and they are going to fight him. 
 
The only thing that actually could occur would be to clean house, not by vote..this however lends itself to significantly BAD forces
Shane Laing Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:59am
Thatcher did indeed make it work. Just appeal to patriotism and everything else that going wrong with the country is ignored. I think The president needs to hold back for a couple of weeks, its all getting out of hand.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:02am
Shane
 
Welcome back LOL As an Englishman which can look from afar you see it clearly as we see it too.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:11am
Jeanne
 
The only thing that actually could occur would be to clean house, not by vote
 
Bad idea......you talk of revolution ? This would play in the hands of the ones who want an even tighter police state and total control.
 
On the other hand doing nothing would lead to a similar result.....
 
The clan has a tight grip - from the US to Europe to the far east.
 
The only thing I could think of is a general boycot of not only the digital industry and the consumer economy which is the lifeline of a country.
 
But even then the financial clan with its worldwide bank system will be stronger. That goes back to the digital industry. Wait for the time when CASH will be obsolete......THEN we'll be fucked forever.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:17am
BTW: I'm alarmed when I see here in Switzerland how little people are interested in those geopolitical games. The sort of waiting for war and then say "Huh ? Why ?"
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:19am
USA War for fun and profit since 1776. 
opher goodwin Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:20am
It is all very Orwellian - Big Brother and hate hour - the baying proles brought together against a common foe so that they don't rebel.
Trump is producing one distraction after another. I reckon another war is in the offing. Profit before truth.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:28am
Jeffry
 
Too bad. Does "god" like that ? LOL
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:30am
Opher
 
That's what I say. The problem is that the US can profit from a war from arms sales, but the "rebuilding" à la Halliburton (c) Bush doesn't work as easily because the natives there have other plans LOL
William Stockton Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:34am
America will always be on a war footing . . . always and will never stop.
The reason?
There are assholes who hate America and want nothing more than to see it crash and fail.  Many of these are also American citizens who would rather burn the whole thing down, along with the planet, to get their way.  These are spoiled elitist brats.
 
If a million Americans suddenly died in a conflict, a slow grin would craw across the faces of many here.  This is the reason America is struggling.  We are definitely on the precipice of change.  Your fears are not alone.  Many here also fear what comes next.
Lord Jim Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:47am
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf
A Trillion USD for war since 9-11.
Somewhere between target="_blank" rel="nofollow">60 and 80 million people died during World War II, and more than 60% of them were civilians.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/america-at-war-since-911_us_595296a1e4b0da2c731ef06b
YOU PEOPLE REALLY ARE SICK!
Lord Jim Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:49am
Who invented this DEEP STATE. Is this another conspiracy theory for small minds?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 11:57am
William
 
There are assholes who hate America and want nothing more than to see it crash and fail.
 
Question: WHY do they HATE America when they profit from it ? And WHO is that in your opinion ?
Katharine Otto Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:00pm
SEF,
War was built into the federalist system, but it was built into the European and Mideast systems first, with people like Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar.  Julius Caesar was Alexander Hamilton's idol. Hamilton was a war monger and empire builder, as was George Washington and many subsequent presidents.
 
The main difference between the US and previous empires is that we have modern weapons and the economic power the world's reserve currency gives us.  As Jeanne says above, the people and the government are not the same, but no one seems to notice that everyone works for the government, either directly or indirectly through government contracts or through investments of pension funds, IRAs, and 401(k)'s on Wall Street and in Treasuries.  In other words they are heavily invested in the status quo.
 
Washington and Wall Street are two heads of the same hydra, and anyone with investments in either is part of the problem.  No one dares suggest that people quit paying taxes as a way to protest, but no one seems fully cognizant of all the ways we are taxed.  I think the passive-aggressive and passive-resistant attitude, and the violence we are seeing on the streets, along with the general deterioration of health, education and infrastructure, is crippling the US from within.  In our hearts of hearts, I believe, many USAans are no longer "proud to be American" but too defensive to admit it.
 
Shame on me for wanting the USA to go bankrupt before it brings all our accumulating enemies down on our heads.
George N Romey Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:00pm
The Deep State refers to people and entities that have the means to buy and control government to benefits them solely even if many others suffer. One could not look at the conditions of the US today and not come to the conclusion that the people are not in charge.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:02pm
Jim
 
That's why we're afraid. We're afraid of our own European descendants. We have fucked up so much on that planet through colonization, and have finally learned (the population, at least), and now see, after these hard lessons, that our descendants in the US carry on the same way....
Katharine Otto Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:03pm
SEF,
By the way, you are saying what I need to hear.  Here, I feel alone in my own disgust about all the countries we are bombing, meddling with, and dominating with our "might makes right" attitude.  We have military bases in something like 77 countries.  How many foreign military bases do we allow here?  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:03pm
Does "god" like that ? LOL
 
Stone has his industrial sized shit stirrer out today.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:05pm
BTW:
 
The deep state is no more than global corporations in a joint venture with Western military. Economic reasons sold as "culture wars".
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:07pm
BTW2:
 
Resources for the 21st century. That's all. The rest is blather.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:11pm
Katharine
 
Thanks for joining in !
 
Here, I feel alone in my own disgust about all the countries we are bombing, meddling with, and dominating with our "might makes right" attitude.
 
I know there are a lot of Americans which share our sorrows. If not, Bernie wouldn't have had such success....
 
But......the machine was apparently too strong.....
John Minehan Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:14pm
This may be of interest.
 
John Robb has said something similar.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:21pm
John
 
Page not found....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:24pm
BTW:
 
Trump is a puppet, just like any of them were since JFK, if I can judge it correctly. But I might be wrong. I can only look from the outside.
 
But is the INSIDE visible to everyone ? ;-)
wsucram15 Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:28pm
Lord Jim..look at my comment above.  He is only one of the authors, although the origins of the "deep state" arguably refer to the CIA in 1947-48, forward and its "secondary government".  However, it really became a debate during Bush 43 and Obama years as both sides polarized and the power of the Presidency grew. More became known about the reach of the "deep state" from 1971 through June 2013 much has become known about reach of operations from the 11 people charged with espionage.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:32pm
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 12:53pm
White trash asshole, I deleted your comment. Don't need people who insult my wife because she's black. Fuck you.
John Minehan Added Sep 27, 2017 - 1:10pm
At least his handle constituted truth in advertising . . . .
John Minehan Added Sep 27, 2017 - 1:12pm
White guy (I assume) and trashy behavior . . . .
 
You are right about the thing from 0 Hedge.  Let me find it again . . . .
white trash Added Sep 27, 2017 - 1:53pm
I said YOU had to go all the way to Africa to find a woman desperate enough to have you.
white trash Added Sep 27, 2017 - 1:56pm
John Miniman.
Do you have a lady from poverty also?
wsucram15 Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:03pm
White Trash..write an article. So we can discuss you. No need for personal insults which is all you have done in your 10 minutes on this page.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:17pm
I said YOU had to go all the way to Africa to find a woman desperate enough to have you.
 
I told you, troll. Show your face. Next comment will be deleted as well if you don't have any substantial thing to say other than racist insults. This is not Facebook. We don't need newcomer no-brainers here.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:27pm
Only scorn for idiots like Stone head.
 
Reminds me of Michael B.....somehow...Stone Head LOL
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:28pm
Period now. I'm too old to try education on blockheads.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:30pm
Comment trashed. Don't need that shit.
John Minehan Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:42pm
Good to keep family out of everything . . . .
John Minehan Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:44pm
Not the same one, but same idea . . . .
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:44pm
John
 
I guess so. But one doesn't think that in the USA there's so many racists. Now I know better. I would never again go there with my wife, even alone. Can spend my cash in countries which are more tolerant.
Michael Cikraji Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:47pm
Hey Stone,
Have to agree with Opher:
"In accordance to the principles of doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour. A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects, and its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia, but to keep the very structure of society intact."
John Minehan Added Sep 27, 2017 - 2:51pm
"MAJ Strasser:  Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris?
Rick: It's not particularly my beloved Paris.
Heinz: Can you imagine us in London?
Rick: When you get there, ask me!
Captain Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist!
Major Strasser: How about New York?
Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade."
 
The US is a big place.  Some parts of it are worth a visit.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 3:34pm
Michael
 
The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous
 
I agree fully. Keeps that shitty system going.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 27, 2017 - 3:35pm
John
 
A visit, sure. Every country is worth a visit. I worked in the US for a year, But back then it was different...
Nasty Added Sep 27, 2017 - 4:53pm
Stone. Been away. That white trash guy is way out of line. Your wife is not a part of WB. When did he show up?
 
But I did see your map is a bit exaggerated.
The USA has their hands full with Rocket Man.
But Russia and Iran are still the key players in Syria.
Mexico is in a civil war with drug cartels, that USA is not in, but should be.
British and French are fighting in MALI.
Only 9,000 USA in Afghanistan, but Taliban still strong.
Yemen is being bombarded by Saudi Arabia.
China is fighting with neighbors over Senkaku/Diaoyu islands and South China sea. Plus China.India are pointing guns at each other.
Iraq is fighting ISIS.
Kurds are fighting all over the area and demanding Independence.
Lebanese Hezbollah are deep in Syria but threatening Israel again over bombings.
The DR Congo is fighting 2m. HUTU'S who escaped Rwanda after slaughter. British?
Somalia.
Al-Shabaab has 9,000 fighters in Somalia but since closing ground in the capital Mogadishu after 2011, the terror group is weakened.
British fugitive Samantha Lewthwaite, 33 – the so-called White Widow – fled there and is believed to have directed terror raids, suicide attacks and car bombings in Somalia and Kenya.
The mother of four was married to Germaine Lindsay, one of the 7/7 bombers who killed 52 people in London in 2005.
IS has a foothold in Somalia and is trying to recruit Al-Shabaab fighters.
 And of course, Russia in the Ukraine.
So your RED map is looking pretty PINK there stone!
But keep on telling lies about  America, if it enriches your life.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Sep 27, 2017 - 4:55pm
Hi George, I agree with your information but disagree on this point and will clarify the use of America instead of USA.
USA is short for United States of America.  Most people identify this as the entity also known as the Federal government.  
Actually, the colonies viewed themselves as separate, autonomous entities and the original operating document, the Articles of Confederation honored this.  
I don't know if you are aware of the incident which caused the elites of the time after the Revolution to put individual rights and freedom on the back burner and focus on protecting the elites, but the facts were laid out in a book titled, "Shays's Rebellion: The American Revolution's Final Battle," by Leonard L. Richards, published in 2003. 
 
Veterans of the Revolution found themselves being squeezed financially, forced to pay high taxes and not even allowed to use the notes issued to them for the pay for their service in the Army issued to them.  The elites of the day had manipulated the timing for passing a Constitution for Massachusetts which put control in the hands of the elite.  Today, the facts and existing correspondence have been compiled and are available.  
Figures outside of Massachusetts, for instance George Washington, were told lies about those rebelling. Today, we know most of them were respected leaders in their communities who had served in the war and stood to lose their farms many had already been forced to sell their notes for a fraction of their value to speculators, who were numbered among this same elite. 
These were reasonable men made desperate by the wrongs being done to them.  The Declaration of Independence was cited by these men over and over again as they pointed out they had pledged to oppose.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Many of these men were officers and others have been decorated for valor.  
The bicameral legislature mandated by the Constitution put more power into the hands of the elite who, apparently, had never taken seriously the idea of freedom for everyone. 
This is the first act, followed by others over time which cited the Declaration as the operating mission of the entity which adopted the Constitution but instead of following its intention used it as propaganda. 
Americans, the word I use for people who were deceived, avoids the use of the elitist entity which displaced what had been promised to all and intended by the vast majority.   
 
Americans are generally hard-working and productive and willingly cooperate to support the vision of America.  They are not the elite which profits from war, both that made abroad and on them at home.  The present economy system is a form of war on Americans.  
 
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 5:16pm
Nasty is a true believer. A good citizen of the fatherland.
opher goodwin Added Sep 27, 2017 - 5:32pm
SEF - we certainly don't need small minded racist scum like White Trash on here.
George N Romey Added Sep 27, 2017 - 5:34pm
Yes Melinda big difference between Americans and the US government. We thought Vietnam was the last unjust war, it was the beginning.
 
More than 80% of Americans think the system is rotten and corrupt. 
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 5:41pm
The USA per se doesn't need a war economy. It is counterproductive to the public interest.
But it is in the interests of the economic elite that controls US society and government.
It is capitalism in a nutshell. Produce as little as possible for the greatest financial benefit possible.
The national security state was birthed in the Truman era. It has taken over the American psyche and its economy.
Americans are constantly scared to death with endless 'threats' that are no threat at all. They react with hatred and contempt for the rest of us and total obedience to their owners.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Sep 27, 2017 - 6:00pm
Nasty writes " And of course, Russia in the Ukraine.
So your RED map is looking pretty PINK there stone!
But keep on telling lies about  America, if it enriches your life."
Talk about telling lies, Russia is NOT in Ukraine! This is just a bunch of Washington neocon/NATO propaganda. I would like to the proof of your fantasy make believe invasion. Do you realize that Russia has one of the most advanced militarys on Earth and the Rand Corporation think tank estimates that if Russia set their mind to Invading Europe they could crush all opposition from their western borders to Portugal - that's ALL of Europe, Ukraine included - in 72 hours! Yet you seriously believe that a pansy Nazi force with 3rd rate weapons could hold them off for over three years? What are you smoking? 
Nasty Added Sep 27, 2017 - 8:31pm
International Criminal Court
: Russia's Invasion Of Ukraine Is A 'Crime,' Not A Civil War



On November 14, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued its preliminary target="_blank">findings that “there exists a sensible or reasonable justification for a belief that a crime [my italics] falling within the jurisdiction of the Court ‘has been or is being committed’” within the Crimean and Donbas territories of Ukraine. On release of the ICC report, Russia target="_blank">announced that it would withdraw from the organization because it "failed to meet the expectations to become a truly independent, authoritative international tribunal." The ICC report intensifies Russia’s isolation following the Joint Investigative Team’s (JIT) blaming Russia for shooting down MH17.
Russia thus finds itself in the questionable company of Burundi, Gabon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Columbia, and Niger as suspects in creating international armed conflicts. The ICC report demolishes Putin’s narrative of the Ukrainian conflict, which paints Russia as an innocent bystander. Following the ICC report and Russia’s angry withdrawal from the international tribunal, there should be no further reference to “civil war,” “separatists,” or “insurgents.” Instead the conflict that has claimed 9,578 lives is an “international armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine.” Another consequence is that Russia, as a party to the conflict, should no longer have a “peacemaker” seat in negotiations in Minsk.
The ICC report is particularly embarrassing for the Kremlin as it tries to target="_self">peddle its parallel-reality version of the Ukraine conflict to the incoming Donald Trump administration.
ICC: Crimea is occupied by Russia, not a part of Russia 
The ICC report summarizes events in Crimea as follows:
In the early hours of February 27, 2014, armed and uniformed individuals wearing no identifying insignia (“green men”) seized control of the Crimean parliament and admitted pro-Russian deputies, who appointed a new prime minister (a local gangster) and called for a referendum on the status of Crimea. (See You tube of Russian special forces’ target="_blank">takeover of parliament.) Two days after a referendum conducted under the supervision of Russian Kalashnikovs, Crimea was admitted into the Russian Federation. Residents of Crimea automatically became Russian citizens. Crimea’s annexation by Russia was declared invalid by the Ukrainian provisional government and by a majority of states of the UN General Assembly. After an initial denial, Putin later admitted that his military personnel had been involved in these actions (and that he had target="_blank">planned the annexation well before the above events).
ICC finding: Russia is an illegal occupier of Crimea
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/11/20/international-criminal-court-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-is-a-crime-not-a-civil-war/#5d63ef1d7ddb


Nasty Added Sep 27, 2017 - 8:39pm
http://www.newsweek.com/russia-crimea-ukraine-how-putin-took-territory-without-fight-640934
The career of Sergei Yeliseyev helps to explain why Ukraine's armed forces gave up Crimea almost without a fight—and why NATO now says it is alert to Russian attempts to undermine military loyalty in its eastern European members.
His rise to become number two in the Ukrainian navy long before Russia seized Crimea illustrates the divided loyalties that some personnel in countries that once belonged to the Soviet Union might still face.
Yeliseyev's roots were in Russia but he ended up serving Ukraine, a different ex-Soviet republic, only to defect when put to the test. NATO military planners now believe Moscow regards people with similarly ambiguous personal links as potentially valuable, should a new confrontation break out with the West.
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In 2014, Yeliseyev was first deputy commander of the Ukrainian fleet, then largely based in Crimea, when Russian soldiers in unmarked uniforms took control of Kiev's ships and military bases on the peninsula.
Instead of resisting, Yeliseyev quit and subsequently got a new job: deputy chief of Russia's Baltic Fleet.
Yeliseyev, now aged 55, did not respond to Reuters questions sent to him via the Russian defense ministry.
In Kiev, however, there is no doubt where his loyalties lay. "When he took an oath to Ukraine, these were empty words for him. He has always been pro-Russian," said Ihor Voronchenko, now commander of the Ukrainian navy, who once served with Yeliseyev.
In fact, the Russian soldiers were pushing at an open door in late February 2014—Yeliseyev was just one of many to defect and almost all Ukrainian forces in Crimea failed to resist.
Russia annexed Crimea the following month, prompting a major row with the West which deepened over Moscow's role in a rebellion in eastern Ukraine that lasts to this day.
At the time, Moscow and its allies in Crimea exploited weaknesses within Kiev's military to undermine its ability to put up a fight, according to interviews conducted by Reuters with about a dozen people on both sides of the conflict.
The Russian defense ministry did not respond to questions on their accounts of the events in 2014 submitted by Reuters.
One NATO commander told Reuters that, in a re-run of the tactics it deployed in Crimea, Russian intelligence was trying to recruit ethnic Russians serving in the militaries of countries on its borders.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the commander said the alliance was particularly sensitive to the risk in countries with high concentrations of ethnic Russians, notably the Baltic states.
George N Romey Added Sep 27, 2017 - 8:53pm
NK isn't the prize here. It's China, Russia and Iran because they are killing the petro dollar. NK is simply the means for provoking these 3 countries into battle.
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 9:03pm
Nasty. LOLz @ you believing that patent nonsense.
Romey: There is no such thing as the petrodollar.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Sep 27, 2017 - 9:28pm
Nasty Crimea is not Russia. You said Russians were in Ukraine then you post an article about them being in Crimea! LOL @ you for lack of reading comprehension! And for the record Crimea voted in a democratic reformemdem to REjoin Russia which they were a part of for hundreds of years before being "gifted" to Ukraine by the edict of a communist Soviet Dictator. The Crimean people overwhelmingly voted to REjoin Russia because they are mostly ethnic Russians and Jews and feared the Nazi forces Illegally installed by Obama and Hillary during the illegal 2014 coup.
 
Want to try again, this time for Russian forces in UKRAINE? 
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 9:41pm
That reminded me of this piece from the excellent Kremlin Stooge ......
 
The Politics Of Desperation
Some will remember Walker’s famous dispatch from the sharp end of the battlefield in Ukraine, in which he and his sidekick, Roland Oliphant, personally witnessed a Russian military convoy crossing into Ukraine, presumably bound for mischief in the Donbas…and never got a picture. You just have to take their word for it. As I also mentioned before, Walker has his cellphone handy to snap a piccie if Aeroflot puts too much dill on his inflight meal. It’s pretty hard to imagine he and his pal were on a daring mission to prove Russian military complicity in the resistance of Eastern Ukraine, and didn’t bring along a single piece of equipment capable of taking a photograph.
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 9:43pm
Russia thus finds itself in the questionable company of Burundi, Gabon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Columbia, and Niger as suspects in creating international armed conflicts. 
What the effing F?
Nasty Added Sep 27, 2017 - 9:55pm
Read it and weep lady. The International Court says you are wrong!
There is no more discussion here. You are delusional.

John G. As an invader, schmuck.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Sep 27, 2017 - 9:55pm
Incidentally the United States does not recognize the ICC. Being an American neither do I. And being that they support illegal Nazi coups, and edicts from Dictators of the USSR while denying the people their democratic will of self determination, I can't see any decent person supporting their evil injustice. 
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:14pm
You're an American and you're pointing the finger at others for invasions?
And Afghanistan invaded who? Iraq? Columbia? Niger?
I repeat, what the effing eff are you talking about.
Btw, no Russian troops crossed the border in your pretend invasion of Crimea. Zero, none, zip.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:30pm
Nasty, you cannot have it both ways. You can't proclaim as a nation that you do not recognize the ICC, including their charges against both GW Bush and Obama for being war criminals, then turn around and quote their statements endorsing injustice as if they have any validity to/within The United States of America or any of it's citizens. So which is it? You recognize them and are prepared to turn over Bush and Obama to stand trial for war crimes, or no? Doesn't matter in any event, being that you are not the President or Congress you can't make those decisions. And as it stands the US does not recognize the ICC, period. 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:33pm
That's right John, the Russian troops were already there, because Russia has had a navy base there for over a century. Just like America has a base in Cuba. I guess the United States invaded Cuba too by Mr. Nasty Nazi lover's reverse "logic" lol! 
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:33pm
The ICC is a white man's kangaroo court. A tool of NATO.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:50pm
And remember, these are kinds of people that Nazi lover Nasty supports:
"Three Years Ago: The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine" | Global Research - https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554
&
"The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine" | HuffPost - http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4938747
BTW Nasty it's just Ukraine not "the Ukraine". I guess he would say "the England" or "the France", ridiculous. It's hard to even take an illerate like him seriously.
John G Added Sep 27, 2017 - 10:57pm
Why would Crimeans want to leave Ukraine after the coup?
The crimes of Euromaidan Nazis: The pogrom of Korsun on 20/02/2014
Flying Junior Added Sep 28, 2017 - 2:00am
It is a myth that war stimulates the economy.  The climb out of the Great Depression which occurred with the conclusion of WWII was a particularly unique set of circumstances.  Americans dealt with rationing, although not as severe as that which did our British cousins.  Aviation and weapons manufacturing was ramped up at an unbelievable pace whilst personal luxuries were forgotten by all but the most wealthy.  Personal and commercial automobile production was halted.  The people gave all that they had for the war effort.  It did indeed stimulate the economy in a way which has not been matched since.
 
With the expansion and success of the aviation industry coupled with other sectors of the economy, the U.S. GDP did indeed balloon.  All of this hard work and sacrifice was topped off with the most beautiful thing ever done for the citizenry, the sacred G.I. Bill.  Suddenly people had good jobs and access to a good education.  The standard of living was nowhere near what it is today, but it seemed like an explosion of wealth.
 
It's not the same story today.  MLK Jr. told us about the mountains of treasure being squandered by the Pentagon to fund the Viet Nam war.  In today's war economy, the under-privileged soldiers earn little more than their WWII counterparts.  They remain exploited and underpaid.  Their only benefit is their meager pensions and VA healthcare.  The families they leave back home need help from charities.  They are preyed upon by easy credit stores and payday loan companies.
 
Today war only profits the MIC.  Unless one believes in the trickle-down theory, it is easy to understand that this does not translate into a buoyant economy for the rank and file Americans.  Or should I say U.S. citizens?
 
War is incredibly costly.  It costs more than it ever did before.  In WWII, guys fought for their own survival.  Mess cooks fed the troops with beans, bacon, potatoes, flour and if they were lucky maybe some chicken or beef.  The Navy gets the gravy, right?  Today the Ass of Evil, (U.S. Army), transports millions of $$ of equipment half the way around the world complete with MacDonald's restaurants, catered mess halls at taxpayer expense, air-conditioned tents, you name it.  Money is no object!  The equipment shipped to Iraq alone represents the greatest financial waste ever perpetrated by the MIC.
 
Modern U.S. warfare costs in the billions, quickly piling up into trillions.  It is not a good deal for the U.S. taxpayer or our economy.  We are hurtled into massive debt since Bush and Iraq/Afghanistan.  It's not really working out to make us rich.
John G Added Sep 28, 2017 - 2:24am
What WW2 proved was that the US government can create full employment whenever it wishes to. And it can command the resources needed to do its will.
Nobody asked "How are you going to pay for it?"
The military today is the world's biggest welfare agency. For corporations.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 2:45am
Well.......too many comments, but anyway: I agree largely on John and Jen. They already provided all the arguments, and they are in line with the majority of the people HERE in Europe. And they're correct. How do we know that ?
 
Because we live here, in direct neighborhood with the parties concerned.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 3:05am
BTW: NATO behaved too arrogantly by trying to bring Ukraine via the EU as door-opener into NATO. Ring around Russia and China - control and resources.
 
The Russians are not stupid and HAD to react. Simple as that.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 3:09am
FJ
 
It is a myth that war stimulates the economy.......
 
Good comment there. Neutral and correct in my view.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 28, 2017 - 3:16am
NATO behaved too arrogantly by trying to bring Ukraine via the EU as door-opener into NATO
 
The primary player responsible was a DUHmerican State Department (Foreign Ministry) employee by the name of Victoria Neuland. NATO is simply yet another front for DUHmerican hegemony. But you knew that already.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 28, 2017 - 3:17am
The military today is the world's biggest welfare agency. For corporations.
 
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!!
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 3:22am
Jeffry
 
Yep. Nuland. And we haven't forgotten her off-comment "Fuck the EU". That alone was a big blow for US image around Europe.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 3:24am
That's what happens when you let women out of the kitchen and let them fuck their way up in "politics" LOL
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 4:33am
I cannot always agree with Flying Junior..but he is correct here.
 
Nice feed SEF.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 5:05am
Jeanne
 
Thanks. I guess that will be my last article about how we feel in Europe about the US ;)
 
It's all been said. Let's hope for common sense and improvement over there for the people.
 
And no anthem or prayer are needed for that LOL
 
 
 
John G Added Sep 28, 2017 - 5:13am
SEF: That's what happens when you let women out of the kitchen and let them fuck their way up in "politics" LOL
Wow. And that nutter Jeanne called ME a misogynist.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 5:18am
LOL
 
Well there's a twinking eye :)
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 5:20am
But then: I haven't seen a woman prez that didn't behave "male". So 4get that gender shit. It's about character.
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:18am
You are..
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:33am
I'm what ? LOL
 
https://youtu.be/Xj7Moq7hxHg
 
I hope that SOMEONE here understands German. This IS important and does not concern the USA only but all our "Western culture".
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:53am
JohnG is a misogynist. 
I can translate it though...I have done it before when you have written in German.
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:56am
Spiegel online writes, quotation beginning: Emmanuel Macron wants of Europe restart: In a passionate speech of France demanded president revolutionary reforms and counters resistance from Germany with an embrace strategy. Doubt about it, as far its reform will for Europe goes, might have eliminated Macron with this speech to a large extent. It placed equivalent a whole catalog of initiatives forwards, under it: a common defense budget and a unit for international missions as well as doctrines
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:57am
Jeanne
 
What kind of translation is that ? Sorry, can't grasp it....but it goes a lot deeper than Macron. It goes right down to media/psychology and ends with ..... cogitive disssonance, I guess. I'm sure there's something in English around but I wouldn't know where....
 
 
...or: Basically.....
 
How to make people believe that they live in a democracy.
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:58am
for their employment, and everything already up to the year 2020, the opening of the national armies for soldiers from other European Union member states, an own household for the 19 euro countries, in order to make common investments possible and to ensure stability in the case of crisis, a complete integration of the markets of Germany and France up to the year 2024 and the harmonization of the appropriate laws, a European secret service academy and a closer co-
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:58am
Sorry, typos.....;-)
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:58am
co-operation between the secret services of the European Union member states, a European Union-Zivilschutzbehörde for the fight of the consequences against natural disasters, European Union-border police and a common asylum authority, a European Union-program for the financing and training of refugees, a minimum price for the output of greenhouse gases from 25 to 30 euros per ton carbon dioxide; at present it is about 6.80 euros, a European Union-far tax on stock exchange transactions
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 6:59am
which there are already in France and which is unsuccessfully discussed on European Union-level for years. Quotation end. Meanwhile in Land of Heinrich Heine, in whom or the other one was brought in the last days around the sleep, prevails to Jamaica tendency with the again selected Problemerschaffern of the Greens, the FDP, and the CDU/CCSU. Still one argues, but in the end all are united under the will of her anti-mummy Merkel
wsucram15 Added Sep 28, 2017 - 7:00am
It will measure again all topics, which have other thought-out. And one will then most certainly do the new government. It will take the plans of a Macron not for serious and will do far that