TRUMP, “FIRE THE SOB.” THE ASSAULT ON FREE EXPRESSION CONTINUES

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voltaireNorth Korea threatens nuclear war, Iran is testing missiles, hurricanes have destroyed parts of the U.S. and the President of the United States seems more concerned with getting athletes fired or disinviting them to the White House. When he called a football player an SOB he set off a firestorm of controiversy.

In defense of his actions, the President’s surrogates contend that his anger is directed at those athletes who refuse to stand for the National Anthem, it is about respect for the American flag. I think they are right, respect for the flag is an issue but it is Trump who is guilty of disrespect not a football player. If Trump ever took the time to read (the Constitution would be a good start) he would know that when James Madison wrote the bill of rights and in particular the first amendment, he was trying to prevent exactly the type of behavior displayed by the President. Singling people out and demanding they be fired has a special “chilling” effect on our right to express ourselves. Coming from anyone else the demand to fire a player likely would be offensive but relatively harmless. It is bill of rightsdifferent, though, when the President of the United States says it because he can do something about it. When James Madison penned the first amendment he did so for several reasons and this situation is one of them. Trump may not have taken statutory or executive action to stifle free expression, but by calling for employment termination because of an opinion, he has “chilled” the guarantee. Madison wanted to be sure that no one should withhold their opinion due to fear of government reprisal. For the President to call for the firing of an employee creates just the fear Madison wanted to avoid and could be reason enough for other citizens to be afraid to speak out.

Do not be fooled by the “Respect for the flag” red herring. Do not be fooled by this phony appeal to patriotism. This is a very thinly veiled attack on the first amendment and it is not the first time either he or someone in his administration has done so. When Henry Ford created the “Model T” car in 1909 he said, “You can have any color Ford you want as long as it’s black.”

President Trump has paraphrased and perverted the Ford expression so that this is the message Americans receive from him. “You can say or do whatever you want as long as you are in agreement with me.” I do not make that accusation lightly. Trump has a long record of doing everything he can to not only stifle free expression but to kill it.

media are the enemyOn more than 70 occasions he has threatened free expression. In particular he has singled out the news media for not only daily but sometimes twice and thrice daily tweets that are highly critical of their coverage of his administration. He’s even gone so far as to say, “The news media are the enemy of the American people.” That is a declaration of war and he has admitted that, too. His attacks on the media, on free expression, on religion, on protests and demands for the government to respond to grievances are an almost daily occurrence. Each of them is in violation of Madison’s reason for writing the first amendment. Almost every day Trump makes some mention of “Fake news” in his never-ending attempt to discredit any report that is even remotely critical of his words or actions.  Want other examples of his assault on the First Amendment?

  • He has publicly called for punishing anyone who burns the American flag by “perhaps” jailing them — or even stripping them of citizenship (that is blatantly illegal).
  • In several instances he has called for a complete ban on Muslim immigration a move certainly in conflict with the first amendment guarantee of religious freedom.
  • He’s promised several times that he intends to, “open up” libel laws to make it easier for him to sue news organizations (SCOTUS has ruled several times that the public has a right to criticize the people who govern them, so the least protection from libel or slander (defamation) is given to public officials. When officials are accused of something that involves their behavior in office, they have to prove that not only was a story wrong and injurious but also that the accused acted with “actual malice” and while it has been done, successful suits of this nature are very rare http://tinyurl.com/y9wcc7v8 ).
  • He has attempted to stop the publication of stories in the media (prior restraint is illegal)

He and his people would like you to believe that his words are no more threateningflag burning than the professional sports team’s rules that limit the way players must act or dress. And again the President is wrong. Employers are not covered by the first amendment, it was written to prevent the GOVERNMENT from restricting free expression. Trump demanding someone be fired is a very serious attack on the intent of James Madison and don’t let that pitchman huckster who now occupies the White House tell you otherwise. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

While I’m at it let me address another issue – decorum. This behavior of getting into insult contests with people is unbecoming of a President. It is juvenile behavior that any other President would ignore. They would not stoop so low as to make such comments never mind using the same language as Trump did. His profane language is unbecoming of his position and indicates his vocabulary is as tiny as are his hands.

For the President of the United States to call a private citizen an SOB is shameful, petty and reveals a man who has no idea what the term means because now he has offended many American mothers, too. President Trump is an unsophisticated, unrefined, crude huckster and he chose to be that way. He doesn’t like to read, he doesn’t like to learn. His entire history revolves around the exercise of power, of manipulating others to achieve his ends. He would like you to believe that he is so important that everything ever discussed in any forum by any yperson is about him. The fact is most of us have a lot of important issues to face every day of our lives and he isn’t even on the list.

The bottom line is that President Trump has no sense of propriety, dignity or of howbully.jpg one should act as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. He is a flim-flam man who would sell the country to the highest bidder if given the chance. Don’t be taken in by his theatrics it’s all a show, a part of being a bully. Unfortunately, as with North Korea, his bluster can also be very dangerous.

And – from where I sit, that’s the truth.

Comments

Autumn Cote Added Oct 6, 2017 - 5:56pm
Please note, the second best way to draw more attention to your work is to comment on the work of others. I know this to be true because if you do, I'll do everything in my power to draw more attention to your articles.
 
PS - There is a lot I can do and would like to do on your behalf.
Nasty Added Oct 6, 2017 - 6:29pm
Too late dip shit! The NFL is all standing, and Trump has moved on to warning the Rocket man that the end of his world is neigh. Another nut case has blood on his hands, and Trump is a disaster hero.
Russia has gone back to fucking with Europe and murdering Syrians.
If God is in Heaven then he is asleep.
Now if only we could get Hillary to shut up, perhaps the National Party could get some attention.
Nasty Added Oct 6, 2017 - 6:33pm
or will it be Peoples Party. I've heard both.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 6, 2017 - 7:56pm
North Korea threatens nuclear war
 
Does it ? It does not. It simply reacts, because it's afraid. But Orange Twat seems not helpful on that matter.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 6, 2017 - 7:57pm
Russia has gone back to fucking with Europe and murdering Syrians
 
Link ? Prove it.
Bill H. Added Oct 6, 2017 - 11:34pm
 
When your a wanna-be Dictator with a major case of NPD, it's all about him and his need for constant positive reinforcement. We the people are the absolute last thing on this mind. The world situation is also the last thing on his mind. It's moment to moment constant positive reinforcement.
Does anyone else out there see this??
Bob Aronson Added Oct 7, 2017 - 12:31am
yes....there are many of us and we will not be silenced.
 
Nasty Added Oct 7, 2017 - 1:05am
                                        

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 6, 2017 - 7:57pm





Russia has gone back to fucking with Europe and murdering Syrians
 
Link ? Prove it.
 
Only once! Next time do your own work lazy ass.
 

Editor's Note:
Steven Pifer testifies before the U.S. Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe on the growing Russian military threat in Europe, assessing and addressing the challenges by looking at Ukraine as a case study. Watch the hearing live »
Introduction
Mr. Chairman, Co-Chairman Smith, members of the Commission, thank you for the opportunity to appear today to testify on the growing Russian military threat to Europe and how that threat has manifested itself in Ukraine.



 
Steven Pifer
Nonresident Senior Fellow - Foreign Policy, Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence, Center on the United States and Europe, Arms Control and Non-Proliferation Initiative
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From the perspective of the 1975 Helsinki Final Act, Russia’s military aggression against Ukraine has been the most shocking development in Europe since the end of the Cold War and collapse of the Soviet Union. The Russian seizure of Crimea in March 2014, followed by its illegal annexation, violated fundamental principles of the Final Act. Those principles include the commitment of participating states to respect each other’s sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence, and to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or independence of any state. The principles also include the principle that borders can be changed only by peaceful means and agreement. Russia’s actions in Crimea have violated all of those commitments.
The Kremlin did not stop with Crimea. Russia military and security service personnel have been deeply engaged in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine since April 2014, where fighting has claimed some 10,000 lives. Russian involvement in the Donbas has included the provision of leadership, financing, ammunition, heavy weapons, supplies and, in some cases, regular units of the Russian army to support armed separatism against the Ukrainian government, also in violation of Russia’s Final Act commitments.
Unfortunately, and despite the efforts of the leaders of Germany and France, the conflict in Donbas shows no sign of settlement. There is little evidence to suggest that Russia and the separatist forces under its control want to end the conflict. The Kremlin appears to see value in maintaining a simmering conflict as a means to put pressure on and destabilize the government in Kyiv, in order to make it harder for Ukraine to get on with needed domestic reforms and implement its association agreement with the European Union.
It is important for European security that the United States and the West support Ukraine and stand up to Russia. It would be a mistake to let the Kremlin conclude that the kind of tactics it has employed against Ukraine could be applied elsewhere against another member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE).
https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/the-growing-russian-military-threat-in-europe/
 

Nasty Added Oct 7, 2017 - 1:12am
30 victims
SNHR Syria - Death Toll
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 2017
SNHR documented up to this moment, Wednesday October 4, 2017, the killing of (30) civilians, including (12) children and (2) women, by the Syrian- Russian alliance forces in different Syrian Governorates
 
 
 

49 victims
SNHR - Death Toll

29 September 2017
SNHR documented up to this moment, Friday September 29, 2017, the killing of (49) civilians, including (14) children and (8) women, by the Syrian- Russian alliance forces in different Syrian Governorates
 
http://www.iamsyria.org/death-tolls.html

 
Nasty Added Oct 7, 2017 - 1:16am
North Korea threatens nuclear war
 
Does it ? It does not. It simply reacts, because it's afraid. But Orange Twat seems not helpful on that matter
 
Are you stupid? Japan poses no threat to North Korea!
John G Added Oct 7, 2017 - 3:42am
Who gives a flying fuck what lies Stephen Pifer tells on behalf of weapons manufacturers?
IamSyria.org is a US front.
Wake up will you?
Lady GAGA Added Oct 7, 2017 - 4:39am
You seem to have your own facts, John G. and nothing will dissuade you.
I am new to this site, but beginning to dislike the steadfast ideology presented by people here.
How can you understand the questions when only your own beliefs are examined?
If there weren't two sides to an issue, it wouldn't be an issue. Why debate when you already are sure of the answer?
Bob Aronson Added Oct 7, 2017 - 6:47am
For a debate to take place there has to be a presentation of beliefs by all sides and then those beliefs are disected and examined.
 
 
What happens here is a refusal to discuss. Many of the participants here seem to believe that a debate should follow this format: 1) present your argument, 2) totally ignore opposing arguments ( most don't even read what is written) 3) Hurl profane insults at those with a different point of view.
 
Yes, Lady Gaga I agree people here do present their own ideology. What I object to is when they steadfastly refuse to discuss it because they are so certain they are correct. That presumed correctness is what limits debate. Those who are so certain they are correct never even consider opposing arguments because they refuse to  listen or read. They reject out of hand what you have said because they have already labeled you the enemy..
 
I believe in this expression, "The more I learn the more I realize how little I know." You can't learn a damn thing by only ever tallking to people with whom you agree.  Even deadly enemies sometimes have good ideas. It pays to read, listen, consider and question. That's how we learn.
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 7, 2017 - 8:35am
Nasty
 
American Academy of Diplomacy, member
Council on Foreign Relations, member
Eastern Europe Group, member, advisory council
Eurasia Foundation, member, advisory council
Friends of Ukraine Network,
 
Pretty balanced guy, is he ? No further comment on that one....
 
North Korea threatens nuclear war
 
Does it ? It does not. It simply reacts, because it's afraid. But Orange Twat seems not helpful on that matter
 
Are you stupid? Japan poses no threat to North Korea!
 
Are you stupid ? I wasn't talking of Japan. Or about South Korea. Or about Saudi Arabia. Or about Israel. Or about the UK. What is an ally ? In the eyes of the US an ally is a fearful follower of a hegemonistic agenda. Period.
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 7, 2017 - 8:43am
BTW: NK reacts the way it knows that NATO has an eye on China, and NK would be a good place to have a certain "control" in the Far East. Ever seen a map ?
Dino Manalis Added Oct 7, 2017 - 8:54am
Trump should be diplomatic; understanding; and make every effort to bring us together, not tear us further apart.  The National Anthem unites us and the NFL should only be about football, protesters are sending the wrong message, they ought to choose some other protest to gain public support and promote the use of stun guns by police, because all lives matter.  Trump, on the other hand, should invite civil rights leaders to the White House and consider nominating a black person to head the Department of Health and Human Services now that it's vacant.
Jeff Jackson Added Oct 7, 2017 - 8:58am
In business, when you have an underperformer, you fire them, the same as you do with people who disobey instructions. Lincoln fired several commanding generals, all of a sudden there is a problem with firing government officials who don't carry out their duties?
Bob Aronson Added Oct 7, 2017 - 10:14am
Let's see. My blog was about Trump's attempts to negate the first amendment. We have a lot of comments here but none about the blog. As I said earlier, no one reads beyond 140 characters.. 
 
Bob Aronson Added Oct 7, 2017 - 10:23am
The Trump lesson to his followers is quite simple, 1)  always be on the offensive. Attack at every opportunity even if you have to make something up. 2) Answer questions with questions that imply guilt on the part of the questioner, 3) Always change the subject. Trump is indefensible so it's always best to talk about something else for example, "Oh yeah well, what about Hillary?" 4) If you are at a loss for a response attack Hillary and Obama for being racists, sexists, ageists and un-American pawns of the globalist conspiracy.
John G Added Oct 7, 2017 - 5:19pm
I'd say that there have been more significant and dangerous attacks of the first amendment than Trump's blatherings on this issue. The prosecution of whistleblowers, the pursuit of journalists' sources, the Presidential assassination programme to cite just a few.
The man is a buffoon but his incompetence may prove to be a godsend.
 
Bob Aronson Added Oct 7, 2017 - 5:35pm
I agree John, there have been far more serious attacks but this one is the most subtle and people need to be aware of his unrelenting opposition to free expxression. He will find any excuse to attack. Unfortunately most people have neither read the constitution, the thinking behind the document or the many SCOTUS decisions that affect it. Trump wants Americans to have but one source of information -- him. The man who invented Fake news with the Birther movement wants to be the source of information about your government.
 
John G Added Oct 7, 2017 - 5:40pm
I think the corporate media is pretty much all fake news anyway.
Rachel Maddow peddles a different version of corporatist bullshit to Glenn Beck. But it's still bullshit.
It's kind of sick to see liberals (often calling themselves progressives) running to the loving arms of the CIA, the neocons and Republicans like McCain and even George Bush.
The picture here is very, very wrong and it ain't just Trump.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 7, 2017 - 8:21pm
I'd like to hear why you think the corporate media is all fake news and what evidence you found in that respect. 
 
John G Added Oct 7, 2017 - 8:27pm
It's all about pushing corporate state interests. They all promote war and neoliberalism. They tell absurd lies in service of these aims.
The evidence is ubiquitous and myriad.
If you can't see it, you're inside it and can't see out.
John G Added Oct 7, 2017 - 8:38pm
When the Government Declared War on the First Amendment It all started with President Woodrow Wilson.
One week later, Holmes dismissed the First Amendment yet again, this time upholding an Espionage Act conviction of the union leader and perennial Socialist Party presidential candidate Eugene Debs, who had been arrested in 1917 after giving a mildly anti-war speech at an afternoon picnic. "This man is the palpitating pulse of the sedition crusade," federal prosecutor F.B. Kavanaugh had declared during the trial.
"One purpose of [Debs'] speech, whether incidental or not does not matter, was to oppose not only war in general but this war," Holmes wrote in Debs v. United States, "and that the opposition was so expressed that its natural and intended effect would be to obstruct recruiting."
So much for "Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech." Debs would languish in prison until 1921, when he was finally pardoned by President Warren G. Harding.
Ari Silverstein Added Oct 8, 2017 - 12:46am
Unlike Obama, who illegally silenced his critics by sicking the IRS on them, what Trump said is perfectly legal.  After all, I also agree that players who don’t stand for the National Anthem should be released for conduct unbecoming to the team.  If you bothered to read the Constitution you would know it’s perfectly OK for me to speak my mind about how I’d like NFL owners to run their organization.  The same free speech right I have is also afforded to the POTUS.  The Constitutional problem lies when the President (ala Obama) abuses his power to force the type of speech he wants or doesn’t want.  Trump did nothing of the sort in this brouhaha over the National Anthem. 
John G Added Oct 8, 2017 - 1:32am
Libberddeee to do everything your corporate owners allow.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 8, 2017 - 6:03am
John G. you said, "It's all about pushing corporate state interests. They all promote war and neoliberalism. They tell absurd lies in service of these aims.
The evidence is ubiquitous and myriad.
If you can't see it, you're inside it and can't see out."
 
I have to assume by your answer that the corporate state interests of which you speak are a matter of perception then as you offer no evidence, no examples and only a criticism of my thinking rather than proof of yours. 
 
Bob Aronson Added Oct 8, 2017 - 6:38am
Ari Silverstein you said, "If you bothered to read the Constitution you would know it’s perfectly OK for me to speak my mind about how I’d like NFL owners to run their organization.  The same free speech right I have is also afforded to the POTUS.  The Constitutional problem lies when the President (ala Obama) abuses his power to force the type of speech he wants or doesn’t want.  Trump did nothing of the sort in this brouhaha over the National Anthem."
 
I've not only read the constitution I've studied it as well and yes, it is perfectly OK for you to speak your mind but the President dosn't have the same free speech right that you have. He walks a fine line when he criticizes the free exprresson rights of  others because he is the government to which the first amendment speaks. His criticism of another persons expression is an abuse of power. Free expression is all about government and its agents subjectively determining what speech or publication it considers defamation against government and punishing such without truth being a defense. The punishment by Trump was public criticism of those who expressed their feelings, that's where he is dangerously close to abuse of power. Criticiing other politicians is one thing but going after private citizens is quite another. His label of Fake News for every disagreeing article is simply his attempt to make the White House the source of all credible news. That concept is quite similar to the rule in all dictatorships. We must protect free expression against all threats, no matter how slight whether it is Trump, Obama or any other president. 
Bob Aronson Added Oct 8, 2017 - 7:00am
Most people don't see the threat to free expression caused by Trump's outburst against the NFL players but there is a threat, however slight and that is what we must guard against. 
 Greg Magarian, professor of law at Washington University in St. Louis and an expert on constitutional law offers this explanation.  “Trump as president can say what he wants and criticize whom he wants. However, if he tries to use the power of his office to pressure a person (like NFL owners) into punishing another person’s speech (like the NFL players’ anthem protest), he violates the First Amendment.”
 “So far, Trump’s statements appear not to have obviously crossed the line from advocacy to coercion. A president, however, has more power than anyone, and thus a greater obligation than anyone to be careful about what he says. We should all pay attention to make sure the president doesn’t abuse his office and violate the Constitution by coercing the punishment of speech he doesn’t like.”
The question, of course, is how far is Trump willing to push his luck? We don’t know that but we do know that he is a risk taker and a bully. That ought to tell us we must watch him very carefully. He will find any excuse to limit free expression, the NFL criticism was but one. In the case of President Donald Trump one must always look behind the story for his real motivation and intent.
opher goodwin Added Oct 8, 2017 - 7:04am
Trump is a bully and a dangerous, ignorant, arrogant, bombastic, uncouth man.
Hard to believe that a man of such ill-manners and pomposity with so few skills and graces could rise to such a level. His lack of tolerance, understanding and diplomacy creates frightening prospects.
John G Added Oct 8, 2017 - 3:58pm
 
BA: I have to assume by your answer that the corporate state interests of which you speak are a matter of perception then as you offer no evidence, no examples and only a criticism of my thinking rather than proof of yours. 
Oh, do you? An interesting belief system you have.
You'd have to pick a subject or narrative if you want examples.
I suspect though that you tend to believe the narratives that suit your party political leanings.
I have the benefit of having no allegiance to either faction of the War Party.
Nasty Added Oct 8, 2017 - 6:19pm
opher goodwin is a bully and a dangerous, ignorant, arrogant, bombastic, uncouth man.
Hard to believe that a man of such ill-manners and pomposity with so few skills and graces could keep writing drivel to such a level. His lack of tolerance, understanding and diplomacy creates dismal prospects.
William Stockton Added Oct 9, 2017 - 12:54pm
I agree Nasty.  These lefties here have emotional IQ of a 13 year-old.
Having just reached puberty, they have all the raging emotions of an adult without the maturity to temper reaction.
 
I would call them progressives but the left is regressive now.  I would call them liberals but their modern policies have little to do with Liberty. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 9, 2017 - 3:43pm
Nasty/William - thank you for your constructive criticism. Thank you for the paraphrasing. My emotional IQ is very sound thank you for asking. I think the lowest rating for an incumbent President means that more people think like me than think like you. Most people don't like macho, narcissistic bullies. But I think I can see why you both might like him.
William Stockton Added Oct 9, 2017 - 8:35pm
opher, "Most people don't like macho, narcissistic bullies."
 
Mind your way opher and go write another article about yourself (like we give a shit) while labeling Trump any abusive word you can possibly muster.  In your weird world where your emotional IQ and introspection is nearly non-existent . . .  egoism, bullying, and abuse are only good for the gander.
 
John G Added Oct 9, 2017 - 8:46pm
My irony meter is going to need a service if it keeps getting pushed over the scale like this.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 10, 2017 - 8:02am
The right wingers who post here are, like their master, experts at offering insults, and defending the bully in chief with more bullying but they are short on offering effective arguments based on the facts I and others have presented. It is a favorite Trump tactic to ignore the issues and attack, always attack. Well gang, your attacks only serve to expose your lack of knowledge and manners. Civility is a word you should Google. If we talk in a civil manner we might find common ground from which we can build reelationships and then begin to solve the counttry's problems. You'll never broaden your ranks by continually insulting the people you would like to have join you. As; usual, power has corrupted.   
William Stockton Added Oct 10, 2017 - 10:18am
You'll never broaden your ranks by continually insulting the people you would like to have join you.
 
No Bob.  We don't want you.  We don't want to broaden anything political.  Just like this article you completely misunderstand what the right values . . . limited politics.  We have lives.  We value our time.  
The only thing we want right now is the cult left to be completely dismantled. 
 
Of course, Sheople like yourself will find another political brand just for the sake of following anything that tells you how to think.  For now, we the right will fight the good fight, get that cult left religion out of our lives, then back to our lives we return.
Get it now?  Perhaps not.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 10, 2017 - 11:30am
 I'm sorry you are so filled with contept for people with differing ideas. There is a way for you to get us out of your lives if that's what you want. Quit reading what we write. Deep within your psyche there must be a curiosity, perhaps even a fascination with what we believe. If not why do you read and comment? Wouldn't it be less stressful for you to just skip over our posts and continue your inbreeding.
 
Every time you comment on one of my posts I know you've read at least part of it and somewhere I have planted a seed. If you continue to comment that means you have read more and perhaps the seed was further fertilized.
You may not want us in your ranks, but we'd welcome you to the left because we really do believe in the free exchange of ideas and in using them to build a better America for everyone whether left, middle or right. 
 
Thanks for your comment.  I wish you, your family and friends good health and good luck. If someday you can shed your contempt for people you don't know I would be most pleased to enter into conversations to discuss and shed light on our shared ideas. That's the kind of America the founding fathers hoped for. It is up to us to make it happen. 
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William Stockton Added Oct 10, 2017 - 12:11pm
I love this Bob!
"Quit reading what we write . . . because we really do believe in the free exchange of ideas"
 
LOL
 
You mean that you want a free exchange of ideas as long as it amongst those that agree with your cult ideologies?  haha
 
I'll keep reading (and commenting) both with whom I agree and disagree.  But thanks for the advice to become a "bubble boy" like yourself.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 10, 2017 - 1:53pm
My goodness, you judge people you don't even know. You don't know a thing about me and yet you have me labeled, categorized and minimized all in one breath. If what I write is so offensive, seriously, why do you read it? I won't trade insults with you but I will discuss issues. Let me know if you would like an adult discussion, but save the name-calling for someone else. I'm not impressed. 
William Stockton Added Oct 10, 2017 - 2:30pm
What was the name I called you Bob?  My rule is to never call anyone a name unless they draw first.
 
"President Trump is an unsophisticated, unrefined, crude huckster"
 
LOL.  Again, you show no limit to your hypocrisy.  Why is it wrong for anyone but you call people names?
Bob Aronson Added Oct 10, 2017 - 5:43pm
President Trump is fair game just as Obama was fair game for you. I stand by what I said about him, but I didn't leave it at that I offered evidence for mycharges. Each of your comments here has engaged in finding new terms to describe me from "Bubble boy," to "Sheople" to a believer in cult ideologies. I've not done the same. Frankly, I've been more than civil with you. What drives that hatefulness? Why do  you avoid issues and attack individuals instead? 
I write to discuss issues if you'd like to be civil and join the conversation you are welcome here. If not expect to be ignored. 
John G Added Oct 10, 2017 - 8:04pm
Stockton is the quintessential right wing extremist.
He LURVES Merka but hates most of the people in it.
He cherishes freedumb and libberdee but wants socialists and other leftists killed.
He thinks he's part of some silent right wing majority but the polls show that the majority are way to the socialist left of the Democratic Party.
He calls leftists snowflakes and then refers to them as dangerous and evil often in the same breath.
He lurves freedom of speech but wants even liberals silenced.
These paradoxes will not enter his consciousness though.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 11, 2017 - 5:41am
That explains a great deal. Thank you
opher goodwin Added Oct 11, 2017 - 7:37pm
William - I think you will find that people in public office are fair game. They put themselves in the firing line and have to either live up to expectations or take the flak. Trump is acting like the trash he is. His coarse manner, narcissism and divisive tactics show him up for what he is - a loudmouth sociopath. He needs dumping before he does anymore damage.
As for other people who I exchange words with, on here and elsewhere, - I treat them with respect and listen to their views. If I receive personal abuse I give it back. Even then I am perfectly happy to enter into debate with people who were abusive as long as they are civil. A totally different kettle of fish.
opher goodwin Added Oct 11, 2017 - 7:40pm
Bob - there are certain people on here who are incapable of debating, can't tolerate anyone who thinks differently to them and who try using bullying personal abuse instead of intelligent argument. They are sad.
Bill H. Added Nov 2, 2017 - 10:08pm
 
Many diehard Trumpsters were somehow entertained and even impressed by his buffoonery and actually thought he would clean up his act after getting elected. Now that they are seeing that it's not going to happen, they still feel obligated to defend him just like Sara Huckabee and Kellyanne Conway have been trying to do for almost a year. It appears that poor Sean Spicer got tired of trying to cover for Trumps lies and deceptions and saved face by leaving.