What is the most important thing in the world?

 

Education. Good, rounded education.

 

What is more important than literacy, numeracy, exam results and knowledge?

 

This is more important - this is fundamental to everything that should happen in a school - if we don't teach children to care, to be tolerant and build a better world we are wasting our time.

 

“I am a survivor of a concentration camp. My eyes saw what no person should witness: gas chambers built by learned engineers. Children poisoned by educated physicians. Infants killed by trained nurses. Women and babies shot by high school and college graduates. So, I am suspicious of education.

My request is:

Help your children become human. Your efforts must never produce learned monsters, skilled psychopaths or educated Eichmanns. Reading, writing, and arithmetic are important only if they serve to make our children more human.”

An excerpt of a letter written by a Holocaust survivor to educators, published in “Teacher and Child” by Dr. Haim Ginott, child psychologist and author

 

Education is the future of the world. Nothing is more important.

Comments

opher goodwin Added Oct 11, 2017 - 7:21pm
If we don't teach our kids to be kinder, nicer, more caring, more tolerant and more environmentally aware we don't have much of a future.
Teach your children well.
wsucram15 Added Oct 11, 2017 - 7:56pm
I would not say education, that connotes reading writing and math, which are skills.  Primarily important.  Did you know here they do not teach handwriting past basic printing,  civics, music or appreciation, art past elementary school, or manners. 
Now if we talked in class, we got smacked with a ruler. I know this because I have a scar from the bump I had to have removed from my left hand where it got smacked all the time (some kind of clot).  I got in trouble for not paying attention.  I was actually having petit mal seizures prior to diagnosis so no one knew I was unable to answer the teacher.
 
If we really acted up, we were sent to the office for a paddling.
 
Kids today, do what they want.  If you are smart, really smart..you get to know them as people.  You guide them as children into a person you would want them to be.   Enjoy them and get them to LET you interact with them or bring the party (their friends ) to your house.  Make a kids play room..and start that early on.. have a movie night or play date night..whatever.  As they get older..make sure the kids hang out at your house...get to know ALL the kids.
 
Teach them to be charitable..always.  Give up the toys and clothes.  Buy stuff at Christmas time for another child AND donate time.
 
The environment is a given.
 
You learn a lot that way and you can teach you child right from wrong by example and being truthful with them always.  Especially when you dont want to be, they have to know that they can trust you and in that..you should teach them..they should be able to be trusted at all times.   IT doesnt always happen with kids..but thats why step one (above) is important.
 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:11pm
What is the most important thing in the world? My vote is for oxygen. 
wsucram15 Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:13pm
LOL
Donna Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:22pm
Opher if I read correctly you mean teach them love manners a zest for the world. If a child is taught properly at home they have empathy feelings.  All that one needs to get by then add in math and science. Need both. I'm not sure history is truth do I'm on the fence about that one. Life should be taught how to cook balance a checkbook or account. Fish hunt plant food how to properly use the planet and how to replace what one takes. The importance of family and friends. Community involvement. IMO
Jeff Michka Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:23pm
wsucram15 sez: As they get older..make sure the kids hang out at your house...get to know ALL the kids.-When ours were right at dge of becoming "tenagers", my wife made the same suggestion.  It seems initially like a lot of effort, but it pays off knowing which kids yours are with and knowing what they are doing.  Was well worth it over time and with good results.
Jeff Michka Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:23pm
correction:  "at (e)dge of..."
wsucram15 Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:47pm
Jeff..Im telling you, everyone thought I was nuts for doing that, because on a friday night I had at least 10 sometimes more boys at my house.  It was movie night.  So we all watched movies, they played videos and we would talk.
Everyone called me Hardcore Madre because I listened to the same music they did and knew all their bands, went to concerts and sometimes took them with me. 
But I knew all the kids ( girls and boys) and to this day, they will stop me in a store or online.
wsucram15 Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:49pm
Also when the kids got older and had problems..I knew about it.  Did not matter who it was, I knew.   People love to talk, especially teenagers.
Jeff Michka Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:56pm
WSUCRAM15 SEZ: Also when the kids got older and had problems..I knew about it.  Did not matter who it was, I knew.   People love to talk, especially teenagers.-It's hard not to listen to people-the kids-who'd become "part of the household" it often seemed.  If there trust and a perceived lack of judgement, kids open up really quick.  Sometimes that's really good for everybody. I think you recognized some pretty sharp ways to go about interfamily RELATIONSHIPS. Good one on ya', wsu...
Jeff Michka Added Oct 11, 2017 - 8:58pm
Kids aren't really sure what to think when an "adult" gets into knowing their music, but knowing it does help, like knowing people's music usually does help knowing others.
B.E. Ladin Added Oct 11, 2017 - 11:15pm
The current movement in schools revolves around the idea of Trauma Education.  The premise is that the educator does not truly know who is coming to school, with trauma at home.   A child cannot truly learn without having his or her basic needs met.  Learning stems from taking care of the very basics, from a Maslow perspective.  
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 12:45am
Jen: My vote is for oxygen. 
Quite so and well said.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Oct 12, 2017 - 2:52am
I shared the quote on my facebook.  I always believed that we put too much emphasis on education and not enough emphasis on learning life.   You provided me with an example.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:56am
Jeanne - I think we are all teachers and education is lifelong and is so much broader than schooling. A school has a duty to mend broken lives and fill in the gaps that bad parents leave. Teaching are building the future by setting the tone, establishing the norms and expanding the minds of their students. They either free them and set them soaring or restrain them and leave them caged.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:56am
Jenifer - where did you learn that?
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:59am
Donna - a good teacher inspires a child so that they become greater than they would have been. Teachers can enable students to become better human beings. That is more important than any subject.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:02am
Jeff/Jeanne - a parents house can be abuzz with teenage energy and a place they love to come to. It enables you to nudge them towards a good life. My Mum loved having my friends round. She said it kept her young and my friends loved her. They saw my home as a place of energy and welcome. It set me up.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:04am
Jeff - I agree about the music. I am into all kinds of music. My kids found it hard to rebel. Their friends found it cool but they found it difficult. But my youngest is well into it and loves my stuff. I used to take them to all manner of gigs. I used to take my students too. It's all part of the rich panoply of education.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:05am
BEL - yes - so many of our students are damaged. One can only imagine the chaotic, traumatised lives they lead. They need healing and safety.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:06am
MPP - thank you. It was a quote I put at the front of all my Pastoral documents. Ginot was inspirational.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:07am
John G/Jenifer - LOL - I might just vote for oxygen too but water would push it close.
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:32am
I like apple pie and motherhood.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:38am
if we don't teach children to care, to be tolerant and build a better world
 
How are children going to do that if they can't read, write, and think? In other words, how are they going to do that if they continue to attend public schools, which teach mainly compliance?
Bob Aronson Added Oct 12, 2017 - 5:35am
Opher, I like the way you think. Yes, education is important but as you seem to suggest, it doesn't have to be formal and it doesnt' have to be done with traditional tools and techniques.
I see this as the formula we must teach; Education = Love of learning + Integrity (sense of responsibility).  If our people are raised to have an unquenchable thirst for knowledge in conjunction with a deep seeded sense of social respoonsibility we will survive as a species. Conversely, if we keep stumbling along with the selfishness that characterizes the Trump movement the ranks of the human race will thin, wither and die.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
jjjjjjjdjWhat we really need to do with out chidlren is to teach them the "love" of education. They must grow up understanding the need to know and they must satisfy that appetite in whatever format works for them. 
Bob Aronson Added Oct 12, 2017 - 5:37am
Sorry for the long space...and final paragraph...I was editing as I wrote and missed this but it sums things up quite well.
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 5:52am
The problem with the Goodwins of the world is that when they advocate education and schools for everyone, quite rightly, the right comes along and asks "how are you going to pay for it?"
And the Ophers play the game thinking it is real. But it isn't real.
 
So they advocate taxing somebody else which never, ever wins.
And they lose the argument.
Game, set, match to the rich.
And then the Ophers get angry with the left for not standing behind their fake argument.
Leroy Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:25am
The most important thing in the world...hmmm.  Liberty.  From that, everything else flows.
 
I just wish I had the courage of my convictions.  Maybe I did in my youth.  Ben Franklin, pontificating as usual, allegedly said, "Where there is liberty, there is my country."  Thomas Paine gravely turned and responded to old Ben, "Where there is not, there is my country."  He nearly got his head lopped off in France.  I am more like old Ben in that regard.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:33am
John G - with robots being able to perform many of the boring and tedious tasks formerly performed by people we now have an opportunity to put more people into the developmental/caring professions such as teaching, healthcare, social work and reduce the workload of people without affecting the productivity. That is well affordable. It would also free up people to participate in leisure and creative pursuits. We can afford a lot more psuedoPicassos. Nothing wrong in that.
But my vision would be one that got back to people adopting a more sustainable life-style in self-sufficient ways, more in harmony with nature, and interacting with society in a different way.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:39am
Saint - a school does not have to be run on those lines. A good school will teach all the basics well, all the range of subjects and, while they are doing that, teach them to be human. There is a 'hidden' or informal curriculum that runs through all education and stems from the ethos of the school. It works very well. Once a school has moved from a system to exert control over students to one of working with students to enable them to develop more opportunities open up. Schools are not just purveyors of basic skills and knowledge. They are so much more than that.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:47am
Bob - my thoughts as well. Learning is a thoroughly enjoyable process that is very life-affirming. Once you get into the phase where education is a partnership and the teacher is there to assist the thirst for learning is strong in most students. In the course of that the teacher is a role model and arbiter. The teacher transmits the social skills, empathy and caring aspects that are essential for a well-operating society. Every child is important and worthwhile. They all need nurturing, caring for and mending.
If we want a functioning society we have to actively work to increase those positive elements of tolerance, caring, respect and responsibility. They don't just happen and many families do not espouse them.
Education is essential for producing well-adjusted individuals full of self-esteem, eager to go forward and with the skills to make a mark. If we want a better world we need to put education at the very front.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:49am
John G - money is not the problem is it? It is purely politics and the priorities and policy of the government. It is in their interests to have a compliant, ignorant population lacking the ability to think or question. That is policy.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:59am
Leroy - liberty is a very tenuous thing to nail down. One man's liberty can be another man's agony.
Complete liberty is anarchy. If people are free to do whatever they want rape, murder, exploitation, bullying and chaos are the order of the day. Corners are cut. Health and safety does not exist. Pollution and contamination go unchecked.
We are back to the days of robber barons and brigands. Where a man slaves all year only for his produce to be forcibly taken from him by powerful, ruthless hard men.
The majority live in fear and misery while a minority terrorise them.
Thank heavens for laws, restrictions and law enforcement. The bullies, polluters and criminals don't get to win. Ordinary folk can have a life free of fear. There isn't chaos, women aren't raped and people aren't murdered.
Liberty??
Well I have liberty. I can walk down the street without fear. I can say or write what I like without censorship. I can vote (admittedly for a limited and dubious set of candidates) and I can practice whatever politics or religion I like or none. My human rights are basically protected.
That's pretty good to me. And a damn sight better than what two thirds of the world get to live by.
What more liberty do you crave for Leroy?
Leroy Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:12am
Opher, here's a definition of liberty taken from Dictionary.com:
 
"1. freedom from arbitrary or despotic government or control.
2.freedom from external or foreign rule; independence.
3.freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice."
 
"One man's liberty can be another man's agony."
 
To use a libertarian analogy, "Your freedom to swing your fists wildly about ends where my nose begins."
 
All I want is the government monkey off my back, a very limited government as the US forefathers intended.
 
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:45am
Leroy - but which aspects of government do you want off your back?
Would you describe the present government as despotic?
Do you think the laws are too restrictive of your freedoms?
Which freedoms do you want more of?
Are there simply too many bureaucrats? What do they all do?
Leroy Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:13am
"Leroy - but which aspects of government do you want off your back?"
 
The federal government should back off of everything that isn't explicitly delegated to it by the Constitution.

"Would you describe the present government as despotic?"
 
Any government that no longer represents the consent of the governed is despotic.  The US justice system is completely corrupt.

"Do you think the laws are too restrictive of your freedoms?"
 
Yes.

"Which freedoms do you want more of?"
 
It is not about "more of."  It's about getting out where is doesn't belong.  Repecting the Constitution.

"Are there simply too many bureaucrats?"
 
There are too many, simply or otherwise.
 
"What do they all do?"
 
Interfere with my life.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:25am
I must respectfully ask f or examples Leroy. Examples of how they interfere with your life, How do you know there are too many bureaucrats? You said, "The federal government should back off of everything that isn't explicitly delegated to it by the Constitution." But, Leroy the constitution was written long before any of the technology we use today. So should we ignore anything we don't like but is not in the constitution?  

You also said, "Any government that no longer represents the consent of the governed is despotic.  The US justice system is completely corrupt." Why do you think that and what proof do you have to offer that what you say is true.  Thank you
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:48am
Thanks for that Leroy - I'm a little clearer.
I'm English and unfamiliar with the constitution. What are those things you think it should get its nose out of?
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:50am
Leroy - Trump's popularity rating is at an all-time low for any President. He hasn't the consent of most of America. Is he a good example of a despot?
wsucram15 Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:02am
Im going to say that my kids learned what not to do by some of the problems we encountered helping the troubled kids from other families.   Even the best of families have their own issues, that is what I learned, my kids learned in helping others, first and foremost-forgiveness, also how not behave, not to use drugs, how to deal better with social issues, and talk to me.  I think during those years..I grew up with my kids...seriously. I had so much fun with them and yet, we had it tough.  Also I had to pull the Mom thing on occasion.  They acted up a couple of times and the hardest part was letting them screw up and make a mess of their lives.  I had to learn that part. 
 
Opher..like your mother, I did the same thing. My sons first band space was in the basement for about 3 months one winter until the practice space opened up.  I have GREAT neighbors, they have supported his band work for years.
wsucram15 Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:03am
Bob..what evidence do you have that the justice system IS NOT corrupt?
I can cite specific examples without giving names.  How bout you?
michael d zitterman Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:05am
#1 is HAPPINESS
 
Subsets:
Health
Education
Sense of security
 
mz
mikiesmoky@aol.com
Bob Aronson Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:32am
I did not suggest it is not corrupt....I w as just asking for examples of it being corrupt. That's a pretty serious charge and should be accompanied by some evidence don't you think?
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:50am
Opher
 
To your question:
 
What is the most important thing in the world?
 
Getting back to the VERY basic: Me.
 
I'm no hypocrite ;-)
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:02am
Jeanne - kids huh? I bet my parents despaired of me, my long hair and wild ways, but they gave me freedom and were always there with unconditional love and it was always a place for me and my friends. I talk to my friends now and they all think my parents were wonderful.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:07am
SEF - Lol. Fair enough. I think maybe you're taking the title a tad too literally.
Though many parents, when it comes to it, put their children first. So do some animals.
They did a dreadful experiment back in the days when there was no morality in animal experimentation. They put a monkey with its baby in a cage and slowly heated the bars on the floor to the point where it was burning the monkey's feet. They wanted to see if the monkey sacrificed itself or its baby. The mother held her baby up in the air away from the heat while her own feet burned.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:08am
Michael - OK I'll go with that. Happiness is fine but does it build for the future? For future happiness?
Isn't fulfilment better?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:32am
Opher
 
My life was fully of knowing hypocrites. Why should I think different now ? Maybe it's a Swiss phenomenon. Here people life comparably well and complain about everything. Assholes LOL
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:32am
full of sorry.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:33am
live not life. Always the same typos. Merde :-)
Leroy Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:40am
Bob, how do I know there are too many bureaucrats?  There are 13,000 positions unfilled by Trump.  They haven't been missed.  It takes about one bureaucrat to regulate 15 lives, including local, state, and federal bureaucrats.  Don't you think that is excessive?  A bureaucrat on average is spending about three hours a eek telling me how I should live my life. Technology is supposed to make us efficient.  It hasn't reduced the number.  Consider also that it takes about 5,000 bureaucrats to administer 25% of the federal government.  Why do we need millions for the rest?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:44am
BTW:
 
People's life is temporary. So the importance they see in life is also temporary and mostly concentrated on THEIR life. Easy as that.
 
You see, many people talk about "higher goals". I think they mostly want to blow their ego and try to make a humanist impression. When I ask these people "What have you DONE ?" they tell me I support them morally and I give to charities. And I pray for them.
 
Fuck that. I've been putting all my money I've earned in the last 25 years into my projects. And I'm still struggling. But I have a place in the hearts of people. That's MY importance. We could at least SHOW that there's white people who are really concerned.
 
Can I expect more ? I'm not Bill Gates LOL
Becky Wardell Gaertner Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:45am
We will not survive if we don't ALL work on compassion, kindness and community. Adults need to be strong role models for kindness.
https://health4earth.com/
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:46am
Conclusion: The most important thing in the world is to try to understand each other. Because the differences are minimal. And to resist prejudices.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:46am
SEF - language evolves. As long as the meaning is clear. I wish I could write in another language as fluently as you do in English.
Leroy Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:50am
Bob, the most honest attorney I know became a state judge.  He used his position to block the sale of property that adjoined his property.  Attorneys are officiers of the court.  What they say goes.  I have witnessed too many lies and too much deceipt by these officers of the court. I have witness an attorney lie in a court order, sneaking in things that the judge did not order.  I have seen attorneys do illegal things.  Our legal system is employment for lawyers.  It is not about justice.  It is about making money for themselves and fellow lawyers.  A lawyer never represents a client.  They are simply maximizeing their income.  They collude with the opposite side, if it helps both sides make money.  I have never witness any profession as a whole that with lie quicker and more often than a lawyer.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:50am
Leroy - I suspect you're right. There are too many bureaucrats. But I'd really like to know what they all do. Of those 13000 we don't know yet if they are missed or not. Maybe later down the line when someone tries to renew something - you know - get a gun permit or a driving licence, a building reg - I don't know - all of the shit we need to get. Maybe then the system won't work or it will take forever. They must do something mustn't they?
I'm all for cutting unnecessary red tape but some of it is crucial isn't it?
I'd like to know more before I decide.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:54am
Opher
 
I feel sorry for you LOL Brits are anglophone, as are the US, and since it's the most spoken language on the ball they don't feel the need to learn anything else !
 
What narrows the mind a bit I think, but it's not really their fault. That's a result from history.
Dino Manalis Added Oct 12, 2017 - 12:05pm
Education is extremely important and every elementary school should have pre-K curriculum and high school graduation has to be required in the 21st Century, but recruiters ought to advise students and schools on pertinent job skills and schools need to deliver.  College must be affordable and job-preparing!
Leroy Added Oct 12, 2017 - 12:13pm
I suppose that if you are really that curious, Opher, you could Google what they all do.  You might be able to do it to the person. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 1:45pm
SEF - I think you're right. It is the lack of practice and opportunity that stunts their (and my) experience. I should have made more effort but I think the teaching of languages was poor - the focus on written tests instead of spoken word. When in reality we'd speak much more than write.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 1:46pm
Dino - I'd prefer they were life preparing.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 1:46pm
Leroy - I am curious I'll give it a google.
Bob Aronson Added Oct 12, 2017 - 1:50pm
Leroy you have a lot of numbers for bureaucrats where'd you get them...Wow that's amazing stuff. And Lawyers? Wow again. I'm sorry your world is so bleak, mine isn't like that at all.  
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 1:54pm
Opher
 
You know how I meant it. We as Swiss are so small that we're obliged to learn other languages when we want to get along in big countries, n'est-est ce pas ? ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 1:54pm
....oder so LOL
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 2:00pm
SEF - I know what you mean and you are right. In Denmark we had a picnic in the woods and a woodcutter came over to chat to us. He thought we were German and started there. Then he turned to French before hitting English. He was fluent and effortlessly spoke 8 languages. I was very envious. He said he didn't bother speaking Danish to anyone because no foreigners spoke it. I think it must develop the mind to be as adept as that.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 2:06pm
Leroy - after a cursory look this is what I found. There are 4 million bureaucrats - 1.4 million of them work for the military.
The others do this:
Congress passes laws, but it cannot follow through on all the little decisions that have to be made as the law is translated into action. Bureaucrats, then, may make policies and choose actions that are not spelled out in advance by laws.
Congress delegates substantial authority to administrative agencies in several areas:
 

Paying subsidies — government support money — to farmers, veterans, scientists, schools, universities, and hospitals
 
 

Transferring money to state and local governments for grants-in-aid, such as highway building, city improvements, or educational programs.
 
 

Devising and enforcing regulations, such as who owns television stations, what safety features automobiles have, and what kinds of scientific research will be specially encouraged.
Fat Bastardo Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:03pm
We need to be stressing good citizenship and the idea that rights come with responsibility. I think what is happening to the fabric of society is a incremental screwing of people by corporations and the idea that if something is legal it is suddenly moral.
 
Kids today learn by example and they are seeing their parents get screwed blue and tattooed by the corporate criminal elite. A huge example of this is health care. They see corporations getting away with theft and murder and they begin to equate success with wealth by what ever means necessary. Their attitude become hooray for me a screw you. 
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:30pm
 I have never witness any profession as a whole that with lie quicker and more often than a lawyer.
Most economists live a life of lies. They are trained from day1 to believe in a completely false view of the world.
It amazes me that people like you believe their nonsense.
Leroy Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:33pm
"Leroy - after a cursory look this is what I found. There are 4 million bureaucrats - 1.4 million of them work for the military."
 
As a professor of mine used to say after sneaking up from behind me while I was taking a test, "Where did you get those bastard numbers?"
 
Please check out this link.  If you don't like the source, I will find another.  Oh, and that excluded the military.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 4:47pm
FB - I agree. That screw you culture is prevalent but it can be countered.
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 5:03pm
The screw you 'culture' is conditioned by the capitalist class. They have to divide and create a false reality.
Else they'd all be hanging from lamp posts.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 12, 2017 - 5:10pm
Opher
 
Sometimes "culture" is the reason why people don't understand each other. It took me a long time to find the acceptance by people in Cameroon which believe in stuff where we shake head. But the basics are the same. The beliefs and expressions are different.
 
But - so what ? Are we not always pointing our that we're so tolerant and understanding ? ;-)
Tamara Wilhite Added Oct 12, 2017 - 5:11pm

opher goodwin Looking at liberal controlled colleges teaching students that diversity of opinion is equivalent to a physical assault on their sacred selves so it is morally acceptable and appropriate to literally attack people who disagree with them if they don't shut up when shouted down, I would say liberals are teaching the very opposite of "tolerance".
And when we see this pattern played out from Middlebury and Harvard on the East Coast to Berkley and Evergreen State on the West Coast, we know it is a nationwide problem with modern liberalism as a whole becoming violently authoritarian.
The worst part is classic liberals often defending the liberal bullies as not really liberal (calling them anarchists), justifying the actions, or in some cases, subjected to the same threats and harm while other liberals recoil in fear.
We won't have the ability to enjoy freedom of speech much less rational discourse and hope of political compromise when one side shouts you down as evil hate speech because they call themselves love and reserves the right to beat you if you don't shut up the first time.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:03pm
Quite so and well said.
 
LOL! The Mutual Masturbation Club.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:05pm
The screw you 'culture' is conditioned by the capitalist class.
 
The cultures with the highest violent crime rates were the former Soviet Union and its communist bloc member nations over whose necks the USSR had its heavy jackboot. In practice, socialism is all about "screw you".
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:07pm
Except for air, nothing that people need or want is free; it all has costs: food, clothing, shelter, education, health care, transportation, communication, entertainment, etc. Everything requires scarce resources that have many alternative uses. Basic economics.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:09pm
SEF - I'm tolerant and understanding except where things infringe human rights, are cruel, racist, sexist, violent, misogynistic, intolerant, environmentally damaging or rude.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:11pm
I've been busy for a while with an ongoing project, sorry about that.  'Education' fails because it is passive.  We know from the history of education in the US that large classes made up of all age groups were possible during the late 1800s into the 20th Century because older kids taught younger children.  You have not mastered a body of information until you use it and convey it to others.  
 
Today, the same principles are being used with target="_blank">Real Client Projects through some few schools. The results are astonishing.  These approaches were mandated by the state legislature in California but administrators and conventional teachers find the work challenges their routines.   
 
I'm working on the site for one of my partners right now so the empty places are filling in and will include training for teachers. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:12pm
Leroy - that's interesting - totally different figures to what came up in my search.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:16pm
Tamara - I really do not know anything about this. What is a liberal controlled college? Who are they shouting down and threatening?
What you describe is totally contrary to all that I'm suggesting should be the basis of good education - tolerance, empathy, respect, responsibility. Those were the things we focussed on in my school and it produced a really friendly, caring community. There was civility, very low bullying, almost zero racism, politeness and friendliness.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:17pm
Becky - I completely agree.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:19pm
Saint - Social Democracy is about a fairer society with excellent public amenities. You can't compare that to a totalitarian fascist tyranny which is what happened in Russia.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:25pm
Social Democracy is about a fairer society with excellent public amenities.
 
So is the Land of Oz.
 
Try to remain on planet earth and stay rooted in reality, OK?
 
I know it's hard for the egotists and moral narcissists on the left, but you don't get to decide for everyone else what "fairer" means. In particular, "fairer" doesn't mean "everyone gets exactly the same things in life." You will never achieve that outcome except at the point of a gun . . . and even then, judging by the results of the former Soviet Union, Cambodia under Pol Pot, communist Viet Name, communist Cuba, communist China under Mao, and current day North Korea, you will achieve a rigid, static, two-tier society: the rulers above with their luxuries and special stores in which only they can shop and buy western goods, and everyone else at the bottom — all equally poor. Why would you want that and still claim to be a good, kind, caring person?
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:38pm
Saint - a fairer society is a more equal one. I am not stupid enough to think that we can achieve an equal society but I do believe that we can have one that is less unequal than what we presently have. Too much has been accumulated into the hands of too few. Too many people around the world live in abject poverty. Somehow the world must start to work for everyone. There is the wealth to do that. It is just far too unfairly distributed.
I'm not calling for a revolution. I want a move towards a better democratic system that addresses these issues.
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:44pm
Saint - firstly both Russia and China under Stalin and Mao moved towards tyrannical states. China has now progressed and the standard of living of Chinese is on the rise. For the first time in Chinese history nobody starves. Its 1.376 Billion people have had a dramatic raise in standards. We'll see if it progresses into a State worth envying.
Vietnam is also changing, as is Cuba. We'll see what comes out of those.
Pol Pot was a monster. Cambodia is starting to recover.
But my model States are the European countries practicing social democracy.
While America is in serious decline the rest of the world seems to be getting their act together.
Who knows anything about North Korea apart from propaganda?
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 6:46pm
At my school we introduced using teachers as facilitators. Students worked in teams and assisted each other. It was very well received. Kids loved it and worked really hard.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:18pm
opher, several kids are now in line for patents which can pay for their college education.  Another one of the projects I have not yet put on the site, resulted in reducing radically the problems with shootings among drug dealers who were underage.  The same approach works in other countries.  
 
Government does not originate anything and it does not create anything.  
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:34pm
Hyphenated narcissist: Government does not originate anything and it does not create anything.  
Absurd wingnut dogma.
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 7:46pm
Melinda - In the UK the last Labour government introduced a number of great initiatives that took education forward in a progressive manner (along with some other stuff that wasn't so good). But this government has really taken us back to the 1950s with a terrible backward looking programme, narrow curriculum and the loss of creativity and the arts.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:06pm
Government does not originate anything and it does not create anything.  
 
Quite true and well said.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:13pm
But my model States are the European countries practicing social democracy.
 
You mean like Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, and Spain? They're doing great. (Not.) France and Belgium have exceptionally high unemployment.
 
And on Forbes's "Top 100 Most Innovative Corporations" — i.e., those companies that have actually new wealth and new ideas to the world economy, and not just redistributed wealth that had already been created by earlier innovation — it's difficult to find a company from any of those countries.
 
So you're doing very little except sticking your thumbs in your belt loops and making idle boasts.

While America is in serious decline the rest of the world seems to be getting their act together.
 
Sure. Whatever you say.
wsucram15 Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:27pm
Saint George.
There are tons of free things to do where I live, DC, VA, and In NYC as well.  Festivals and celebrations year round.   Some have low admission but many are free.  As far as hotels or travel, I drive and you can couch surf or literally book a room in a house for pennies.
Food is cheap is you cook yourself and know what to buy and you can feed a bunch of people that way.  Call it a trade...this way you get other free stuff and so on...
Learn how things work with people.  Some of us actually interact with others.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:33pm
There are tons of free things to do where I live, DC, VA, and In NYC as well.  Festivals and celebrations year round.   Some have low admission but many are free.
 
Just because you, the end-user or end-consumer, don't pay for them doesn't mean they are literally "free" in the sense that air is "free". Someone, somewhere, expended land, labor, time, effort, expertise, money, tools, etc., to obtain the party favors you blow into at street fairs. If you still have difficulty distinguishing between those two senses of the word "free", let me know. I'd be happy to explain it to you in greater detail and in simpler language.
 
Try learning how the real world works before attempting criticism.
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:43pm
Between 1965 and 1973, the U.S. dropped 2.7 million tons of explosives -- more than the Allies dropped in the entirety of World War II -- on Cambodia, whose population was then smaller than New York City's. Estimates of the number of people killed begin in the low hundreds of thousands and range up from there, but the truth is that no one has any idea.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:51pm
Sorry, skidmark-g, but "Global Research", the site you've linked to in support of your laughable assertion, has already been exposed and debunked by yours truly in earlier posts. I know it's difficult for a professional clown and chucklehead like you but do try to be serious and post links to legitimate, non-fake-news sites, OK? Thanks.
wsucram15 Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:54pm
No..you said nothing is free and by free you mean that you cant see nature or go to an open air concert with local bands, or go see a museum.   
I go to a waterfall deep in the woods that has a small pond at the bottom to swim.  A few people know about it and they go as well. Its public and free.   Im not sure how that is maintained, monitored or checked on in any way..its just a place people go. No park rangers..nothing.
Actually there are a couple of places like that here and a couple in VA I know of from locals there.  Just un -attended state property for public use (in other words its not illegal to go there).
Im going to criticize you... However, for example..I know someone eats the cost at festivals, its a tax write off for advertising for "free -stuff".  Even free food that restaurants give away in promotions.  DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT FREE TO CONSUMER.  But why do you care?
If you dont care that business and Wall Street are stealing from everyone, why would you care if business on the rare occasion needs a tax break and hands out FREE STUFF...
Free is free. Low cost is low cost.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:03pm
No..you said nothing is free
 
No I didn't. I was quite specific about the meaning of the word "free". See above; to wit:
 
"Except for air, nothing that people need or want is free; it all has costs: food, clothing, shelter, education, health care, transportation, communication, entertainment, etc. Everything requires scarce resources that have many alternative uses. Basic economics."
 
Don't be such a literalist.  You know what a literalist is?
 
According to H. L. Mencken, a literalist is someone who first observes that roses smell better than cabbages, and then concludes they must also make better soup.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:07pm
""Headline: North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy"
—Everything you need to know about Globalresearch
 
Globalresearch is an "anti-Western" website that can't distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk — and so publishes both. It's basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND.
 
While some of GlobalResearch's articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science, economics, and geopolitics is conspiracist — if something goes wrong, the Jews (the West) did it! The site has long been a crank magnet: If you disagree with "Western" sources on 9/11, or HAARP, or vaccines, or H1N1, or climate change, or anything published by the "mainstream" media, then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love.
 
The website (under the domain names globalresearch.ca(link), globalresearch.org(link), globalresearch.com(link), and sister site mondialisation.ca(link)) is run by the Montreal-based non-profit The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) founded by Michel Chossudovsky, a former professor of economics at the University of Ottawa, Canada.
 
Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong."
 
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
 
[The last paragraph applies especially to skid-mark-g, who has linked to the kook-moonbat site "Global Research" on several occasions.]
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:08pm
You've invented your own meaning of 'specific' now?
You are being anything but specific. Deliberately so.
You must think you are soooooooooo clever.
 
 
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:14pm
You are being anything but specific. Deliberately so.
 
"Except for air, nothing that people need or want is free; it all has costs: food, clothing, shelter, education, health care, transportation, communication, entertainment, etc. Everything requires scarce resources that have many alternative uses. Basic economics."
 
WTF? What do you not get?
 
So when someone under capitalism says "Air is free!" and under communism says "Food is free!" The word "free" means the same thing, economically, in both sentences? You truly are a dumbshit-fuckknob, you know that.
 
If someone says, "The law of gravity applies equally to heavy objects and light objects", and "The seatbelt law applies equally to car drivers and truck drivers," would you say that the word, "law", refers to the same kind of thing in both sentences? I don't think so.
 
But then again, you're the loaf of smegma-drenched rat-turd, so maybe you have different "ideas". Do tell.
 
Curious minds want to know.
John G Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:17pm
It's just strawman, after strawman, after strawman after outright lie with you.
What a fucking deceitful bell end you are, scat boy.
I'm getting more of the opinion that all libertarians are sociopaths.
Saint George Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:28pm
Yawn.
 
Is that the best you can do for a reply, rat-turd-loaf?
 
You're not very bright. That's why you fit right in with the rest of the easily hoodwinked MMT ilk.
John G Added Oct 13, 2017 - 1:37am
What do libertarians and pedophiles have in common?

Answer: Before the internet, nobody realized how many of them there were.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:14am
Saint - no - like Norway, Sweden, Denmark - places which have, despite their inclement climate, a very high standard of public services. My stay in Denmark was an eye-opener. Every housing estate with park facilities, play grounds, health services, a swimming pool, cycle paths. The standard of provision was beyond anything I've seen elsewhere.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:17am
Saint - merely trotting out the weakest members such as Greece and Portugal does not really make a case does it? However, if there was a country I wouldn't mind moving too then Greece, Portugal and Italy would probably top my list. While the work ethic is not great the way they live is brilliant. In terms of lifestyle they'd be near the top. It isn't all about money is it?
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:20am
Jeanne - tons of free things to do here too. Our art gallery is superb, our museums are free and interesting, our city is great to walk round with trails to follow, our churches are historic, there's music on regularly and an arts scene that is flourishing. Lots of people give of their time.
John G Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:39am
While the work ethic is not great 
Coming from a pom. LOLOLOLOLOLOz.
John G Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:55am
I'm curious as to where you get your 'news' from Goodwin. You claim superior knowledge but curiously parrot the British gutter press' view on everything.
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 5:23am
Wow.....
Eileen de Bruin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 5:23am
The most important thing in the world is to listen, learn, try to love and become wiser.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 6:27am
Eileen - I like that.
Doug Plumb Added Oct 13, 2017 - 9:00am
I agree with what was said in the article in broad strokes, but after about 15 or more years of carefully thinking about this and reading and listening to every other thinker I could find, new or old, I have come to the very simple conclusion that we are where we are simply because we do not know the law. Most people have no idea that jurisprudence is a science and that we are being fooled because most people know absolutely nothing about law. If they did we could turn things around.
Doug Plumb Added Oct 13, 2017 - 9:02am
To know law, a prerequisiste is to know political science and not get tricked by nonsense such as Left wing ideologies or anarchism. We have (had) a near perfect system, its just being torn down from the inside. Most of the things said about History and especially Christians are very far from truth, the product of a brain washing campagne to destroy this system (English Jurisprudence / Common law) so that those that hate it may rule.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 9:14am
The law is an important subject Doug. Can't argue with that.
Not sure what you mean by left-wing ideologies though. I can't argue with a fairer system that values all people. Left-wing does not have to mean tyrannies. Social democracy, as in Sweden and Denmark,  creates a much fairer system.
I'm also not sure what you mean by a brain washing campaign about Christians. As far as I can see the truth about Christianity is only really just being discussed. What do you think is untrue?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 9:41am
The most important thing in the world is to listen, learn, try to love and become wiser.
 
As a good friend from Australia I met here on WB and who came to Switzerland to visit me, Tony WizOfOzzie always said:
 
Learn to "read-listen" before you speak.
Leroy Added Oct 13, 2017 - 9:42am
"no - like Norway, Sweden, Denmark - places which have, despite their inclement climate, a very high standard of public services. My stay in Denmark was an eye-opener. Every housing estate with park facilities, play grounds, health services, a swimming pool, cycle paths. The standard of provision was beyond anything I've seen elsewhere.
 
I saw similar things.  But, on the flip side, it was damn expensive.  To stay in a four-star hotel near the railway stand or to stay in a youth hostel costs nearly the same.  It was crazy expensive.  Food, at the time, was about four times the price of what it costs me in the US.  Not sure what they did with all the people in Norway.  They seemed to be in hiding.  Except for the busloads and camera snapping Japanese, I didn't see too many people in Denmark.  Sweden was a vibrant place but I got the hell out of there once I realized that I arrived just in time for the International Gay and Lesbian day or week--not that there is anything wrong with that.  And Finland, if you were to add that to the list, the people seemed in a state of severe depression.  Very nice people, but depressed.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 10:06am
Leroy
 
Finland, Iceland - true. People are hard to get to know, they are very reserved. Same in Switzerland, actually.....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 10:07am
....but once you got a Swiss friend you have him for life. It's not the "I love you, smile" thing. I guess it's the same there.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 10:18am
Leroy - you are right. It is bloody expensive. In Denmark the salaries were high, the taxes were high but the quality of life was very good. Visitors paid through the nose because prices were high.
I think that dourness of the Finns is probably due to the long dark winters. The climate is not what I'd call brilliant.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 10:19am
SEF - it is quite marked how some races are so open and friendly, really welcoming, while others take time to weigh you up.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 10:37am
Opher
 
some races are so open and friendly
 
Especially Africans. Even towards us....
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 12:08pm
SEF - That's what I've found too.
Carole McKee Added Oct 13, 2017 - 1:57pm
Oxygen is the most important thing. Without it, none of the other items can exist. So, past Oxygen, I believe a lot of of you mentioned some really important things. But for me, the next most important thing is caring--for all people, all animals, and the environment. People should be there for each other, regardless of race, religion, color, sexual orientation, or anything else that makes them unique. We are all here to help each other. We should care for all the animals on the planet, too. To abuse or neglect any animal is just wrong. And as far as the environment: We were given this beautiful planet. It doesn't belong to us, but the least we should do is to take care of it.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 2:59pm
Carole
 
We were given this beautiful planet. It doesn't belong to us
 
Nobody "gave" it to us. We just happened to realize that we are here, and that we're capable to take ownership of it. It's called evolution. That doesn't mean that biologic evolution leads to mental evolution ;-)
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 3:02pm
BTW: If it doesn't "belong" to us, to whom ? To the ants, the rats, the trees, the birds, the fish ? Concerning a planet, a solar system or the Universe, the world "belong" is not appropriate. Why ? Because "belong" is restricted to human thinking. And the Universe isn't "human". My POV anyway !
Carole McKee Added Oct 13, 2017 - 3:09pm
Well, Stone-Eater, no matter how you look at it, we don't own it. No person or persons bought it, or created it. Therefore, I believe we can't own it. But if you feel we own it, that's okay, too. Then we should still take care of our planet. 
Carole McKee Added Oct 13, 2017 - 3:14pm
SEF: The mere existence of the planet gives it the right to be, and to grow and flourish. If we don't care for it, it can't grow and flourish. Neglect and abuse destroys.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 3:21pm
Carole
 
As I said, the word "own" is not appropriate for a planet IMHO. But
 
we should still take care of our planet. 
 
You sure are right about that.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 3:23pm
BTW: I about 5 billion years earth will be gone, burnt, evaporated. I already set my alarm clock. Just in case ;-)
Edgeucation Newmedia Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:06pm
Although it is difficult to "Teach" compassion we should still try. The Museum of Tolerance is a good place to take children. It will also take desensitizing people to the violence they have become accustomed to.  
Katharine Otto Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:09pm
Stone-Eater,
We belong to the planet, not the other way around.  In that sense, the planet "owns" us, as to the planet we will return.
Katharine Otto Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:10pm
Opher,
I believe children have natural curiosity that we squelch with boring curriculae, teachers who are trained to monologue, and the irrelevancy of subject matter to real life.  Education could be more relevant and fun.  Biology and botany by having a garden.  Math and nutrition by taking them to a grocery store, in small groups.  Reading by reading interesting books as a class.  More parental involvement.  In the US, it seems that parents and teachers are at odds, with each blaming the other for kids' failures.  Absentee bosses tying the teachers' hands.  We stick kids in boxes all day then wonder why they act out and need drugs to settle down. 
 
My medical school was systems-based, in that we had a faculty facilitator with six or so students per session.  We worked together on specific cases and taught each other.  If classrooms were more interactive, I believe that would help a lot.
Katharine Otto Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:13pm
Leroy and Stone-Eater,
I theorize that cultural friendliness is based on latitude.  Cold climate, cold people.  Warm climate, warm people.  What do you think?
Katharine Otto Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:16pm
Jenifer,
Oxygen, yes.  My vote, too.  Plant more trees.  Get the kids to help, better to educate them about relevance.
 
Katharine Otto Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:19pm
Opher,
Jared Diamond blames deforestation for cultural collapse in the societies that failed, in his book Collapse.  So oxygen, trees, climate cooling, and compassionate caring synchronize perfectly in the life cycle that we share.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:23pm
Katharine
 
Cold climate, cold people.  Warm climate, warm people.  What do you think?
 
Fully agree. Cold climate keeps people INSIDE and more isolated.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:25pm
....but then we cold people are not forced to stay cold. We can go to warmer areas and learn from the people who live there :-)
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:29pm
Carol - I love that. And all that oxygen is produced by plants.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:32pm
Carole - yes I agree with you. Because we are conscious, intelligent and able to reason we have a responsibility to take care of the planet and all things on it. I see us as having guardianship. By virtue of the quirks of evolution we have that responsibility.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:33pm
SEF - yep - 5 billion - every fossil, every rock, every trace of us will be inside the sun. But at least we'll glow for a bit. Our light will reach out.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:33pm
Because we are conscious, intelligent and able to reason
 
Are we ? Please place that joke on a humour site LOL
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:35pm
Katharine - completely agree. Education should be ecstatic, wondrous, mind expanding and turn people on. It should be real, full of realisation, relating to life and enabling people to grow and reach their potential. Boring curricula and boring teachers destroy kids.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:36pm
Katharine - Jared Diamond blames deforestation for cultural collapse in the societies that failed, in his book Collapse.  So oxygen, trees, climate cooling, and compassionate caring synchronize perfectly in the life cycle that we share. 
I love the sound of that.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:37pm
SEF - there might be something in that. But a lot of those people are warm on the inside.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:39pm
BTW:
 
WB was my education concerning English. I just saw that I wrote 293 articles here and 14'500 comments yet. So I don't have to write a book anymore. I just copy and paste all that bullshit and publish a book. I always wanted to be Stephen King 1.5 LOL
 
Or I better rap it all ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:41pm
Opher
 
Our light
 
Which light ? I'm not radioactive enough yet to glow in the dark :-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:43pm
BTW: When I'm dead I will simply return to the Universal energy field. Maybe I will "see" my mother and "say" Hey, what's your voltage today ? ;-)
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:51pm
SEF - Our atoms will be stripped in fusion to give out light and warmth. We'll shine. You'll shine brightly my friend.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:51pm
SEF that universal energy field is very spiritual of you.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 13, 2017 - 5:14pm
Opher
 
I'm all else than spiritual or esoteric LOL It's simply the only explanation I can halfway accept :-)
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 13, 2017 - 5:42pm
opher, could you provide links to the programs you are referencing?  I can do that for the ones I mentioned.  Links to sources are a good thing.  Thanks,  Melinda 
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 6:19pm
SEF - I concur. But we are all spiritual in some way. For me that's harmony with nature. I don't know or care the extent of that.
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 6:21pm
Melinda - this is my source:
https://www.amazon.com/passion-Education-story-Headteacher-ebook/dp/B00NRC66E2/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1507933539&sr=1-1&keywords=goodwin+passion+for+education
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 13, 2017 - 7:55pm
Thanks, Opher.  Real Client Projects allow teams of kids in high school to solve real world problems.  These can range from putting a failing pizza place back on its feet to planning international trade routes and inventing patent-able products which save lives.   Kids can realize equity and payments from their work, as can their teachers and the school.  
 
One teacher is not enough.  Young people readily learn how to solve problems when they have the tools.  Two examples are an invention which kept birds sucked into jet engines from causing  airliners to crash and an effective tanker plane for fighting fires.  The ones now in use have multiple deficiencies.  
 
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 7:58pm
Melinda - the idea sounds interesting.
I see teachers have a big role as facilitators.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 14, 2017 - 7:23am
All the organs of the body were having a meeting, trying to decide who was the one in charge. 


"I should be in charge," said the brain, "Because I run all the body's systems, so without me nothing would happen." 


"I should be in charge," said the blood , "because I circulate oxygen all over so without me you'd all waste away." 


"I should be in charge," said the stomach , "because I process food and give all of you energy." 


"I should be in charge," said the legs , "because I carry the body wherever it needs to go." 


"I should be in charge," said the eyes, "Because I allow the body to see where it goes." 


"I should be in charge," said the rectum , "Because I'm responsible for waste removal." 



All the other body parts laughed at the rectum and insulted him, so in a huff, he shut down tight. 



Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the blood was toxic. They all decided that the rectum should be the boss. 


The Moral of the story? 


The asshole is usually in charge! 
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:42am
Jeffry - you usually make me laugh in other ways but that was very good.
The clear answer is, like has happened a few times, we have to stop voting for arseholes.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:53am
opher, these act as mentors, providing direction and the kids study the challenge and work out the solution.  As I think I said, in one case the Team beat top colleges in a project for a robotic ground vehicle, full sized.  They were the children of farm workers.  
We under-estimate what individuals can do.  
Jeff Michka Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:01pm
opher notes; Except for the busloads and camera snapping Japanese, I didn't see too many people in Denmark.-A staff member for  musician's union had some dealings with the Ben Webster foundation in Copenhagen, people there were warm and welcoming enough to offer her and her family a place of asylum from the US during the brouhaha in Furgeson, Mo.  Apparently it appeared a nation wide crackdown on people of color across the US as the media there reported it.  And all "we" want to do is keep "those damn foreigners" away, while other peoples want to welcome those fleeing oppression here in the states.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:10pm
Melinda - I've seen similar in operation. We had a relationship with F1 which saw great results.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:14pm
Jeff - it used to be the case that America welcomed the dispossessed - Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Rings a bit hollow now.
Carole McKee Added Oct 14, 2017 - 2:02pm
Thanks, Opher. Yes, plants provide oxygen. And they absorb our carbon Dioxide. But as industry increases, plants begin to decrease--unless big business becomes mindful of them. 
 
I grew up in Pittsburgh, and I remember how dirty the city used to be. The sky was gray, and the cold concrete and steel buildings, the sidewalks, and the store windows always had a layer of grime on them. After the steel mills closed, the city officials began to clean up the city. Now, the scenery in Pittsburgh is breath-taking. Everyone who visits there comes back and tells me that. It's supposed to be one of the greenest cities--referring to the trees, plants, and shrubs within the city limits.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 2:50pm
opher, the opening arms of freedom were there before government was providing subsidies to all and sundry.  It can be so again though.  But trade and friendship instead of war can create change.  I would like to see more of your examples of this for addition to an article I'm writing.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 3:48pm
Spam.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:30pm
Poor John G, he is a trust fund brat whose fund ran out on him.  Poor guy.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:36pm
LOLz. You're such a narcissist. And such a fake. And such a coward.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 5:12pm
John G - Your comment is inaccurate and pedestrian.  Also not funny because it is so off point.  You should take up tatting.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 5:20pm
Corey: "Global Research", the site you've linked to in support of your laughable assertion
Hmmmmm, 
What the U.S. Bombing of Cambodia Tells Us About Obama's Drone Campaign
It was the Atlantic in fact. 0/10 again for you.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 5:22pm
Hyphenated narcissist, I don't give a flying fig what you think. You're a dishonest, vindictive coward. A typical libertoonian sociopath.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:47pm
Tat faster, perhaps it will provide something positive in your life. 
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:58pm
When you blog about your long ago divorce on the interwebz, I don't think you're in a position to be giving life lessons to your betters.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 7:15pm
It is not long ago, unfortunately.  It is still ongoing.  The former husband, Craig Franklin, was a psychopath.  He and the president of the corporation for which he was Senior Vice President, conspired to steal the corporation, Green Hills Software, Inc. (GHS), with a  "Throw Momma from the Train," strategy. 
Dan O'Dowd, president of GHS, could not raise enough money for an honest Sudden Death Partnership buyout so Craig organized and lead a walk-out of critical personnel.  The maximum amount Dan could raise was $47M.  The company was worth $350M at the time.  Now it is over $20B. 
A walk-out is deadly to due diligence with a high-tech company. 
 
Glenn Hightower, the Venture Capitalist and full partner, owned three successful corporations himself.  They hammered him into mush. 
The cooperating Vice Presidents received payment in awards of stock.  Craig's deal included ensuring I did not receive my share of marital assets.  When that did not work they tried other strategies.  One of these was looking into hiring hitmen.  I have emails on this and a recording of Craig complaining it did not work as planned.  
 
I'm working on a book and screenplay in my spare time.  All the documents are public.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 8:22pm
Yawn. Just another grifter.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 8:28pm
No, G, that would be you.  Con-artists are, as are you, anxious to avoid being identified.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 8:38pm
LOLz. Libertoonians always go the smear route but can never answer the questions.
Libertoonians and paedophiles eh? Nobody knew there were so many of 'em until the internet came along.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 8:55pm
So why are you in South East Asia?  Is that where you got to know Craig?
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:18pm
What?
 
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:24pm
G, it is understood that you are desperate for money.  After all, you spend all of your time here, apparently, and the only way you could afford to do so is if you were being compensated. 
Craig pays very well for services.  The routine amount for a woman being sexually available to him for a month is $5,000.  He was willing to pay more for women who would have babies for him, though marriage no longer interested him.  One of his past victims provides transcripts of conversations with his procurers.  Young looking women are not enough to feed his predilections.  His sexual fantasies are for girls around 12 years of age.  I understand he routinely used his corporate credit card for areas of Southeast Asia which supply what he wants.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:27pm
LOLz. You're such a transparent liar. Typical libertoonian.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:31pm
Find a new lie, G, that one is stinky fish.  
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:32pm
Isn't it time you put a face behind your nastiness and lies, G?
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:33pm
You're a transparent liar and a narcissist.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:36pm
Who are you, really, G?  Time to come clean.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:38pm
What 'lies' are you alleging, crazy eyes?
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:41pm
G, your libels against those who post here have no basis in fact.  You are disruptive and nasty and very much not on point.  For now on I will ignore you as your lack of creativity and content render you a waste of time.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:43pm
What libels, nutter? 
You've tried to libel me 3 comments ago.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:44pm
You will ignore me because you are an intellectual coward and a fraud.
Saint George Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:13pm
You will ignore me because you are an intellectual coward and a fraud.
 
I would say, "It takes one to know one," skid-mark-G, but in this case I'll amend that by noting, "She's hot and you're not." So you're just a buck-ugly buffoon and wannabe lefty activist whose time has come and gone.
 
Go back to your retirement home, skiddy-g, and let your caregivers feed you through a straw.
Saint George Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:35pm
What do libertarians and pedophiles have in common?
 
Better:
 
What does the father of macro-economics — John Maynard Keynes — have in common with a common pedophile?
 
Answer:
 
Everything. They were one and the same.
 
Lord-of-Inflation-Keynes even bragged about his sexploits to his fellow pedophile, painter Duncan Grant.
 
Ah, the good old days of the Bloomsbury Group! How all socialists miss them!
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:37pm
Who cares but you?
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 14, 2017 - 11:35pm
Fact is not libel. Surmise is the only option open because you have failed to identify yourself.  You are free to provide background on yourself which would refute reasonable conclusions based on your vile lack of courtesy, ugly comments, which are entirely unsupported by the facts transparently provided about myself and derogatory comments on others which eat up time and destroy the otherwise pleasant atmosphere offered by this forum.   
Given your lack of transparency you could well be a sexual pervert in the pay of any one of a number of individuals.  You could be a tour guide for men seeking sexual intercourse with young girls in Southeast Asia.  You are anonymous. Therefore, you can ask no one to assume anything but what can be logically associated with the behavior you present on this forum.  Your comments extrude bile and are without redeeming value.  Am I clear?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2017 - 2:10am
How DARE you! 
 
Clearly you don't KNOW your PLACE!
 
Oh the humanity!
 
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 2:14am
Hyphenated narcissist. You're a vile, transparent, narcissistic hypocrite who resorts to manufactured slander when challenged.
You're just a blow hard, coward libertoonian that can't defend your lunatic 'ideology'. Can't answer even the simplest of question s honestly.
By your own admittance, you're the one with the paedophile friends and family. 
 
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:45am
Crazy eyes: the opening arms of freedom were there before government was providing subsidies to all and sundry.
Back in the days of slavery and child labour, 14 hour workdays and 6 day weeks.
Yep life was good back then.
Libertarians, fluffing the oligarchs since 1946.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:31am
Looks like you;'re the psychopath to me.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:26am
Carole. It is heartening to hear that. If we could only clean up our act we could get the whole planet beautiful and full of wildlife again. But it takes effort.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:32am
Melinda - regarding John G- who absolutely refuses to condemn paedophilia, slavery or FGM - what you say seems to fit.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:57pm
Are you serious? 
You're actually that pathetic?
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:09pm
John G - there's only one person who goes round lying and trolling every thread with your abusive stupidity. You're a defender of the most vile things and try your best to blame others. Your silence in terms of refusing to condemn slavery, intolerance, misogyny, FGM, paedophilia, torture and murder speaks volumes. Time you got off your high horse and crawled back under your bridge.
Trip trap trip trap hop and skip hop and skip clipetty clop clipetty clop
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 7:12pm
You're a defender of the most vile things and try your best to blame other.
You're a cowardly cretin. I've defended nothing that you accuse me of, you lying arse.
I refuse to carry water for your warmongering ways, shit for brains.
Blairite scum.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2017 - 7:45pm
Trip trap trip trap hop and skip hop and skip clipetty clop clipetty clop
 
WTF!?!?!? 
 
Is this some super special limey head teacher prat code? 
 
What a fuckin' knob.
 
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 9:05pm
He's thrown in with the crazy libertarian witch and is peddling her made up smear.
Like all liberals he'll make nice with fascists in censoring the left.
Fake social democrats.
Leroy Added Oct 15, 2017 - 9:40pm
"Finland, Iceland - true. People are hard to get to know, they are very reserved. Same in Switzerland, actually.....

 

....but once you got a Swiss friend you have him for life. It's not the "I love you, smile" thing. I guess it's the same there."
 
Maybe it's a European thing.  The French were like that in the day.  They could be real a**holes, but once you got to know them you could trust them with your life.  Today, the French youth are generally friendly.  Those around my age are still a pain in the rear until you get to know them.

Leroy Added Oct 15, 2017 - 9:46pm
"Leroy and Stone-Eater,
I theorize that cultural friendliness is based on latitude.  Cold climate, cold people.  Warm climate, warm people.  What do you think?"
 
Seems that way in the US.  But, no, in general, I would not agree.  The Fins, for example, may be a somber people, but they are exceedingly friendly.  The people of Northern China are more warm and friendly and trusting than those from the South.
 
I am reminded of what a Chinese lady once told me.  You are what you eat.  Chairman Mao ate spicy food, so he had a fierce character.  The people of Shanghai eat sweet food, so they are sweet and gentle. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 4:58am
Jeffry - I see you are limited in terms of literature.
Eileen de Bruin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 6:16am
Opher, thank you. The bullying factor has reared its ugly head in a world close to me, in the UK as it happens, at school and within an institution. I have listened and counseled.
 
To go back to,the originating post paragraph...it was bullies who did those things. If bullying is addressed at the beginning of the school system, then we can move forwards. Schools often. turn a blind eye and justify this with the world being as it is.  Even the parents i. the playground waiting for their kids have their groups and the bullying continues and so they teach their kids.......It is carried throughout life then.  War is learned at the Mother’s knee you know.....When should we make a stand? Always.  It takes strength of character though and the leaders have to set the tone. Who will stand up abd be prepared to take the repercussions? A good question for us all.
 
Regarding Denmark, Sweden ...it is very similar in Holland, as in a huge middle class and public facilities for everyone. It helps, considerably and they are closing prisons down in Holland.  Norway is similar, yes, but it has immense wealth and a low population. 
 
We continue to return to the core value of respect, caring and development.
 
 
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 11:02am
Eileen - so pleasant to have a sane voice on the thread. Anything you write on this site seems to attract the same bullying psychopathic trolls that the article was really about.
My contention was that it is the foremost duty of a parent and school to teach their children to be empathetic, caring and compassionate. That is what make a harmonious and pleasant culture.
I agree with you that war is taught at mother's knee. We have to prevent that. Bullying and aggression cause misery and hatred. It is such a shame that people still see it as strength. It really is a character flaw.
In this time of Brexit and Trump it appears that the bullies have been energised. There is a belligerent feel of racist xenophobia and a nasty attitude at work. Instead of all people being equally worthy we now have an attitude that the strong are more important than the weak. Very unpleasant.
I do believe that to stop another war and more horrendous holocausts we need to educate the population properly. That should be our foremost aim.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 16, 2017 - 11:23am
Hi Jeff, John G is attempting to disrupt your communications with his ugliness.  The author has the option of eliminating his comments.  
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 16, 2017 - 12:07pm
Opher, you said, "Melinda - regarding John G- who absolutely refuses to condemn paedophilia, slavery or FGM - what you say seems to fit." 
and then, "John G - there's only one person who goes round lying and trolling every thread with your abusive stupidity. You're a defender of the most vile things and try your best to blame others. Your silence in terms of refusing to condemn slavery, intolerance, misogyny, FGM, paedophilia, torture and murder speaks volumes. Time you got off your high horse and crawled back under your bridge.
Trip trap trip trap hop and skip hop and skip clipetty clop clipetty clop"
 
Thanks, much appreciated!  
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 1:40pm
I have a policy of not removing comments. The trolls tend to try to disrupt threads with their abusive bullying but I leave it up there for people to see and judge.
The shame is that they do interrupt intelligent debate with their nastiness.
Sometimes they are laughable and sometimes you feel sad for them. Perhaps it would be better to eliminate them. They serve no purpose and they obviously like to see their snide nastiness up there.
Who knows?
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 16, 2017 - 2:36pm
opher, that is a judgement call each of us must make for our own articles.  All best!
John G Added Oct 16, 2017 - 5:03pm
Nobody is trying to disrupt your thread. 
Your assertions are being challenged and you can't handle it.
So you stoop to tone policing and now, slandering your challengers with ridiculous allegations.
On one thread, I'm in SE Asia according to you. And on another thread, I'm in the Middle East.
You can't even keep your stupid allegations consistent.
You're a fraud, along with your new fascist friend.
Jeff Michka Added Oct 16, 2017 - 6:08pm
opher defends himself: The trolls tend to try to disrupt threads with their abusive bullying but I leave it up there for people to see and judge. The shame is that they do interrupt intelligent debate-Is that what those you delete are trying to do,"The trolls tend to try to disrupt threads" now I'm trying to "disrupt" your thread , eh? -AND Hi Jeff, John G is attempting to disrupt your communications with his ugliness.  The author has the option of eliminating his comments.-NEVER HAD THE CHANCE TO READ THEM, REPLY, OR JUST DROP OUT OF THIS THREAD.  For "all the 'good people' here,I'm SUPPOSEDLY just a troll who is trying to disrupt their perfect conversations, regardless of how silly they become.  Horsecrap, take some responsibility for your own words.  SO OPHER NEEDS TO SHOW HE'S TOUGH AND DELETE BOTH John G's comments and mine.
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 6:14pm
Jeff - I don't delete any comments on my threads. They are all there for people to read. Why would I take issue with yours anyway. The main trolls on here are John G and Jeffry. I leave their abuse and childishness up for other people to read. They are nasty shits.
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 6:21pm
John G - I don't know where the hell you live and don't care. All I get from you is blind homage to all Muslims and condoning of the evil acts carried out by some of their fundamentalist sects. I suppose it was the West who planted the bomb in Mogadishu that just killed 300 innocent people and not Al Shabaab? According to you it would be.  You are a condoner of paedophiles, slavery, FGM, murder and genocide. A miserable unpleasant man. Crawl back where you come from wherever that is.
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 6:21pm
Melinda - just ignore the unpleasant wretches. They are not worth the bother.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 16, 2017 - 9:25pm
opher, thanks for the suggestion.  We agree, he is not worth the trouble in and of himself.  But the behavior should be noted because he could well be a paid agent.  The insertion of individuals who inject content to change the direction of dialog happens routinely.  This is a service provided through alphabet agencies and political interest groups.  When I was active in the Libertarian Party we became aware some 'inquirers' appeared enthusiastic but consistently injected ideas which were violent.  I discovered through  a FOIA that the recording of the founding meeting of the Libertarian Party of California would not be released because, "The agent was still in the field."  Seven people attended that meeting and I knew all of them pretty well.  Since two had died and all but one otherwise accounted for as not possibilities the one left had to be the agent.  He is still 'in the field today.'  And he is still disruptive.  He redirects energies and delays actions.  He is an attorney who also was paid to go to Florida for the 2000 Chad Crisis.  
The original Veterans Party, founded in 2003, was also taken out by an agent.  In comparison, G is a piker.  
 
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 16, 2017 - 9:31pm
To Jeffry Gilbert - Thanks for providing some humor with a flavor of truth.  Melinda    
John G Added Oct 16, 2017 - 11:56pm


John G - I don't know where the hell you live and don't care.
Well, you're the one making the assertions dipshit.
All I get from you is blind homage to all Muslims
False.
and condoning of the evil acts carried out by some of their fundamentalist sects.
Lie.
I suppose it was the West who planted the bomb in Mogadishu that just killed 300 innocent people and not Al Shabaab?
No idea. Nor do you.
According to you it would be.  
Unlike you I will wait to see some evidence. But if you choose to believe Boris Johnson's every word that's your prerogative. It doesn't make it true though. You are not the oracle.
You are a condoner of paedophiles, slavery, FGM, murder and genocide.
Pathetic liar.
A miserable unpleasant man.
You've brought this on yourself People's Poet. I don't take condescension from fools easily.
You've been trying to school me in things that I know far more about than you. I'm not one of your young students. I've seen far more of these things than you.
You know nothing about the empire, the ruling class, its links to so called 'Islamic terrorism', the part that the Sauds play in the great scheme of the global deep state apparatus.
Nor do you know anything about economics, how the global trading system works and the difference between nominal economic growth and resource usage.
 
ALTHOUGH YOU THINK YOU ARE AN EXPERT IN ALL THESE THINGS.
 
I've given you clues that you haven't followed, I've made some easy to follow revisions to your thoughts but you won't listen, won't learn and seem to think you can condescend without any criticism in return.
 
 
Crawl back where you come from wherever that is.
Considering your slanders of the last couple of days and all your childish lies and slanders above, I'd say it's you living in the gutter buddy.
Maybe your new fascist friend with the paedophile connections will keep you warm.
You utter creep.




 
 

John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 12:21am
Goodwin. You stay squatting in the desert with your Muslim friends blaming everything on the West.
And you claim to be an anti-racism crusader.
Fraud.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 5:00am
Melinda - thanks for that. I find it hard to believe that people pay these idiots to disrupt debate but it is entirely feasible. What you depict is quite scary.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 5:04am
John G - you can lie and wriggle all you like but you are still a supporter of the most barbaric sects on the planet.
I don't claim to be an expert but I do have some knowledge, insight and opinions and am happy to enter into debate. You are incapable of debate, an arrogant shit who thinks he's knows everything and someone who is neither prepared to explain or enter into intelligent discourse. Your abusiveness is pathetic. Your blind hatred of the West is extreme and your support of barbaric behaviours obnoxious.
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 5:17am
John G - you can lie and wriggle all you like but you are still a supporter of the most barbaric sects on the planet.
Your problem is that I don't support anyone or anything of the sort.
You're just a cheap liar.
You can't back up your arguments and you've reduced yourself to the most pathetic ad hominem imaginable.
You've sunk so low as to seek solace with this libertarian nut case calling me a a paedophile's pimp in SE Asia.
You're a pathetic fraud. And you've brought all this on yourself.
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 5:18am
 Your blind hatred of the West 
I am a westerner and I live in the West.
Anything else, moron?
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 4:17pm
Ha Ha John G - I don't give a shit where you live. It's the scum you support that is the point. Your blind attacks on the West and equally stupid support of the barbaric scum of ISIS, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and Al Shahab, with their misogynistic and medieval practices shows that you are a fool. You refuse to condemn even the most brutal of their actions. Get back to your paedophilia and slavery. You disgust me.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 17, 2017 - 4:25pm
Ditto, opher, ditto.  
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 6:49pm
Melinda - I really should not bother.
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 8:20pm
Utterly pathetic ad hominem old man.
Your inability to defend your assertions and opinions is the issue.
 
It is my friends being killed and having their countries destroyed by ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Your apolagism for western imperialism contributes to their suffering.
Melinda Pillsbury-Foster Added Oct 17, 2017 - 8:32pm
You are right, opher, it is not worth the time.  But to the original question, what matters most is individual integrity, doing right for yourself and those around you, and confronting what is wrong.  Understanding the world around us, not academic credentials necessarily, is an essential tool for this.  
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 12:31am
LOLz. Integrity for a sociopathic lunatic like you?
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 3:16am
 I suppose it was the West who planted the bomb in Mogadishu that just killed 300 innocent people and not Al Shabaab?
 
Investigators: Somali Bombing May Have Been Revenge for Botched US Raid
 
There has been no claim of responsibility for the bombing as of yet, which is unusual if as officials maintain it is al-Shabaab. The truck contained explosives and was detonated remotely. It was parked near a fuel trick which also detonated.
 
But the Oracle Opher Doofus knows better. He can see it all from his dung heap in T'Yorkshire.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 3:47am
Melinda - educating the young to think and care is the most important thing for me. They have to be equipped to make a difference.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 3:50am
John G - well what do you know again? John G makes feeble excuses for the heartless cruel killers of Al Shabaab. What next? The nine year old girls raped by ISIS were just asking for it? Or it's OK it's written in the Koran? Or the West paid them to do it?
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 4:56am
John G makes feeble excuses for the heartless cruel killers of Al Shabaab. 
Clearly I've done no such thing.
You're utterly pathetic.
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 5:02am
Or the West paid them to do it?
The West is certainly behind the war against Syria.
Unlike you, I support the defenders against the head choppers.
You apologise for the empire that uses the head choppers to do its dirty work.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 5:14am
John G - you were once again trying to blame the bombing in Mogadishu on somebody else.
The West, Russia, ISIS, Assad, you name it. There's many with a finger in that pie.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 5:16am
John G - once again - I make no apologies for my governments war-like actions, nor the USA, nor Assad's use of chemical weapons, nor the civil war, nor ISIS. I think they are all shits with vested interests.
I do not believe that the West is employing ISIS. That's your fantasy.
Colettebytes Added Oct 18, 2017 - 8:04am
I have skipped through much of this interchange. There is much nastiness (usually from cornered ignoramus' without any argument but to name call). This actually proves the point that a rounded education is required to make some sense of our world (including the importance of oxygen), and how to fit together socially without recriminations of one sort or another!
 
Eileen made some very good points about education. Everyone else in later comments (besides OG, the author, fielding the comments with his replies), seem to have gone off subject.
 
 
Kids enter school at an early, innocent age, form friendships, learn about enemies and how to stay away from them and find their social pecking order in a class size of juveniles that they never encountered previously. All this while trying to learn how to read, write and do basic calculations. They get the basics down really well when left in a stable environment. From that they can open up their minds to infinite possibilities, so why don't they? Eileen hit upon a clue.
 
When kids are moved from school to school or transfer into the high school system, they encounter other people in different social circumstances, with differing backgrounds and different thinking. It opens up a bullying culture of competition that has nothing to do with education and everything to do with self-survival. The pecking orders change as 'gangs' form and finding acceptance amongst peers becomes paramount for that survival. It often means that 'education' is perceived as a laughable endeavour for sissy's (I use a polite term which teenagers do not).
 

Would we not do better to leave kids in their original groups of established 'pecking order' where all kids are kind to each other? As children age, should we not have the teachers be assigned to them, rather than send the kids to new places where teachers have become scathingly biased against the 'trouble makers' as everyone in the class?
 
I think we can do better, so kids and teachers can explore great heights of learning together. Our present system is broken and produces a lot of nasty people in society.
Tikno Added Oct 18, 2017 - 11:53am
Opher,
"Teach your children well."
Absolutely.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 12:56pm
Colette - Thanks for your input. Back to the focus of the post - education, to me, is the way society inculcates compassion, tolerance and caring into individuals. That, to me, is the main purpose of education - as important as all other aspects.
Schools need to do better.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 12:56pm
Tikno - Thank you.
Colettebytes Added Oct 18, 2017 - 1:31pm
I have noticed that self schooled children by caring parents are so much more mature, sensible and caring. They have no peer pressure (other than siblings) to distract them from exploring their own imagination and aptitudes.
Carole McKee Added Oct 18, 2017 - 3:35pm
Colettebytes: My mother always said that all of her children were sweet and obedient until they went to school and learned the nastiness of other people's kids. She isn't the best person to quote, but do you think she's right?
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 6:44pm
Colette - I know quite a few but they are very unworldly and lacking in social skills - a bit mollycoddled. They also are lacking in depth of understanding of subjects. No parent can possibly be an expert in all the diverse subjects. They tend to be creative and arts based but limited.
My biggest concern is that religious parents indoctrinate their kids.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 6:46pm
Carole - I think that depends on the school. In my experience schools have become so much better, so much more caring and with far less bullying and nastiness. They aren't the regimes of cold discipline and violence that I went too - thank heavens.
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 7:05pm
John G - you were once again trying to blame the bombing in Mogadishu on somebody else.
You pronounced Al Shabaab guilty before any evidence came in. I linked to an article reporting on the incident.
I think this sequence clearly shows that you have authoritarian issues and a childlike desire to cling to mommy state. And no desire to learn the truth.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 3:30am
Think what you like. Who cares what you think? Who else do you think did it dolt?
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 5:03am
Here you go, moron. The writer of this knows more than you.
 
target="_blank">Investigators: Somali Bombing May Have Been Revenge for Botched US Raid
 
There has been no claim of responsibility for the bombing as of yet, which is unusual if as officials maintain it is al-Shabaab. The truck contained explosives and was detonated remotely. It was parked near a fuel trick which also detonated.
 
Like you care about Somalis anyway.
It's all just virtue signalling.
Eileen de Bruin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:13am
Erm, right at this moment, the most important thing in the world is to address farming at all levels as the ecological time bomb is about to be the imminent causation of our planetary sustenance being made extinct.   The direct causation is farming....vegetables, dairy and meat ....having used up the world's resources of water and rich soils (by taking away trees) the insects have nowhere to continue the cycle which feeds us all, ultimately. Time to become vegans rather quickly methinks!
Carole McKee Added Oct 19, 2017 - 12:15pm
Opher: Before I retired, I was a school counselor in one of the high schools in the area. I know kids are different now. There is a whole new set of problems and issues now compared to when I was in school. Behavior is a lot different now, too.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 1:19pm
Eileen - farming is certainly important. But as a biologist I suspect most of our food will shortly be coming from genetically engineered bacteria and fungi. The protein-rich sludge will be flavoured, coloured and texturized to create any food product you want. They are already doing it - pruteen, mycoprotein - it's in lots of products. I suspect the days of farms are limited.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 1:21pm
Carole - I've been retired for six years now. A lot of things have changed but basically kids remain fundamentally the same, don't they? They just have different worries and problems.
Eileen de Bruin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 1:58pm
Opher, yes, but what about our trees, grasses, flowers and the lovely feel of the natural world?  It is all going then, is it?  a world without bees and butterflies and buttercups....  to what ends...what is the point?
 
And just "who" are "they"?
 
The most important thing in the world is to know what it is that we are talking about.  What are we talking about? 
 
Kids are kids - in any generation and in any culture. Perhaps we should let kids be kids instead of trying to make them into "model adults".  Developing naturally has its advantages instead of forcing ways of thinking and behaving.  If schools are so socially conscious, then why do we continue to do the wrong things to the planet and to each other, I wonder?
Carole McKee Added Oct 19, 2017 - 4:03pm
Opher: You're right. Kids are the same, but the issues have become different. when I went to school--well, I went to high school in a wealthy district, after the school merger. I lived in the poor section of the school district. It was all about who had the best clothes, shoes, jewelry, and who was pretty. I failed the criteria. Football and baseball athletes were gods, and they ran the school. Girls gossiped constantly, and ruined other girls reputations.
 
Then, when my kids went to high school, it was a whole other matter. Clothes didn't matter all that much, and reputations were not an issue. Pot was the drug of choice, and the school was divided into two groups. Those who smoked and those who didn't. My kids didn't, thank goodness. 
 
Then when I worked at the high school--which was about 6 years ago, again, criteria changed. It was all about cell hones and electronics. The seemed to be no class distinction, unless someone didn't have a cell phone. 
 
Bottom line is, everybody grows up and the things that mattered in high school don't matter in the real world.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:19pm
Eileen - the ones who are destroying it are:
a. The elite who are fuelling the runaway capitalist dream - whose mantra is more - who put growth and profit before people and nature - who are chopping down forests to plant coffee and palm oil plantations
b. 7.6 Billion people who are clearing land and killing everything that moves either for food or because it might eat their crops.
c. The corporations who are mass spraying with pesticide and herbicide who are killing off the insects which are the basis of most food chains.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:22pm
Carole - kids are tribal. They have to find things to separate themselves from others. The art of a good school is to foster togetherness, a caring attitude, empathy, compassion and equality. That's what we worked at in my place and it worked brilliantly.
Schools are not just factories for exam grades. We have social responsibility.
Carole McKee Added Oct 20, 2017 - 12:30pm
Opher: That's a good philosophy. As a counselor, I worked toward awareness of other people's feelings. I scheduled class power point presentations on subjects such as Bullying, giving back, helping others, kindness, and a few others. I always allowed time for questions and discussions. It's interesting on what kids know, or have experienced, or what they want to know. I did want to do some presentations concerning race, but the school nixed that.