The Beat Goes On XIX

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The following is an email I just received and in the comment thread is my response. 


Dear Autumn Cote,


I am hereby and immediately, revoking my previous permission to use my work as a cross-link or otherwise. Please remove any such link, content and reference to- 'What Happened to Love Thy Neighbor'. For your information, my reasons are as follows:


  1. What you call a cross-link to me, is just a copy and paste of my original content to your site. There is no reference to my blog. Copy and paste was not even accurate. All pictures, as used in my original content were not included. The picture of the eagle with a flag is, part of the logo of my blog and is not part of the content of my article. And there is again, no "cross-link" (your words). 
  2. Comments from those on your site about my content, often stray far from the subject I've written. There were a couple of comments I consider, wholly inappropriate and completely out of context. .
  3. It appears to be impossible to engage others, one-by-one that have left a comment
  4. I do not have the time to respond to every comment made nor do I appreciate my email account being inundated with notifications of comments left. 


Although I appreciate 'fresh eyes' viewing my article and am not opposed to "discussion", comments seem to be more based on a 'free-for-all', say whatever the commenter wants about whatever they want. I am not opposed to criticism, but I reject the unnecessary language and off-topic, out of context comments made.


From your 'About' page, it seems that your site is set up where you and/or any other 'site administrator' find content and then personally contact the author(s) (like me), of whom as you originally wrote to me, was, "well written" and you asked my permission to "cross-link' it. Permission was granted (now revoked), and then it seems comments/notifications are automatic, i.e. 'bots' , software, auto-responder, and etc. It does not appear that any real-person screens those comments, and/or edits them or personally sends the (frequent) email-notifications.


Comments left seem to contradict your (Writer Beat), 'Policies.'


Autumn Cote, I would you and yours, all the best, but 'Writer Beat' is NOT for me or my content. Please remove my content, any reference to my content and my name IMMEDIATELY!


I am saddened that it hasn't worked out for all…


Autumn Cote Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:55am
Dear Anonymous,
1) My apologies for not cross-posting the entirety (including images) of your article, it was my intention to do so.  It was not my intention to provide a link to your blog, as that was not what I said I would do.  However, if you had asked me, I would have. 
2) Such is the nature of posting work to the public realm. 
3) It’s very possible to engage someone personally.  Simply write something like “To Autumn” at the start of your reply.
4) So don’t reply to every commenter and do turn off your email notifications.
Now I get to let out some steam.  Is it really such a big deal that some comments are inappropriate or out of context?  Just dismiss them and move-on to the ones that are appropriate and on-topic.  As for our rules, it says I reserve the right to delete inappropriate comments, it doesn’t mean it’s my responsibility to do so.  The good news for Writer Beat is that not everyone is as thin-skinned as you, I just wish I knew how/where to find more people with thicker skin. 
Stone-Eater Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:50am
In German we call that "Standesdünkel" LOL.
BTW: What is a "thick skin" ? I think it's the capability to be able not to get insults under your skin. I agree that personal insults are bullshit, but when they happen while a discussion gets heated - it's only human.
The art is to get back to the subject ;-)
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 12, 2017 - 9:54am
Oh my.
Stone-Eater Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:01am
BTW Autumn: I wonder how people react in real life when they're pissed on. Maybe get a mental doctor to figure out why they can't take it ? LOL
Stone-Eater Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:06am
BTW2: When someone STRICTLY wants to stay on a subject, fair enough. But then, at some stage, it becomes not a LIVELY discussion anymore, but a simple exchange of opinions. That's ok, but...
...what is important on WB is that it mirrors real life reactions and emotions, what is rare in that length on the net. And if someone doesn't like that he either doesn't know reality or he just wants to show his ego.
Those people should write a book and wait for a literature award :-)
wsucram15 Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:09am
If I understood this properly, the article should be posted correctly. However, comments come with the terms of agreement.  You need to read the fine print.  The opinions here arent always just LIVELY..they are often offensive, but take it for what its worth and move on.
Autumn Cote Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:12am
If someone said the kind of things I read on this site, I’d probably get very upset and take it personally.  However, Writer Beat is just words on a computer screen among strangers.  What’s there to take personally or get bent out of shape over?
In fairness to anonymous, he probably had no idea what he was getting himself into when he said “OK to cross-post my article.” 
Stone-Eater Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:43am
Just wrote an article on that ;-)
Spartacus Added Oct 12, 2017 - 11:57am
Autumn, I fail to understand why you need to do the work here for some authors.  
I came to this site of my own volition.  Bringing the water to the horses won't make them drink.  
Very few authors want to publish content "in the wild".  They would only publish content and comment in their own bubble groups and only sadistic people like myself post here to incur wrath and humility from anyone.
Many people claim they love free speech but not willing to actually play the game.  It is wholly dangerous to one's ego.
It just seems like you are wasting your time stroking and setting up these authors who would only find a rude awakening at some point.
Dave Volek Added Oct 12, 2017 - 12:12pm
I have to agree with William.
I should say that the commentary is not as harsh as other places I have been. And I should say at least there is some commentary on WB, and some of it is useful.
I think established authors/writers (i.e. those who can make a living with their written work) would not be here in the first place. So if some amateur believes some of his/her creative talent was being exploited by the WB process, it seems to me that they are over-rating themselves. 
Neil Lock Added Oct 12, 2017 - 12:56pm
As a newbie here, I’ll reply in somewhat more forthright terms than Autumn has allowed herself to use.
As to point (1), I got involved with WriterBeat when Autumn e-mailed me to say she admired one particular essay of mine, would I allow her to re-post it? I said Yes, of course, and gave her a link to my own site. Then she took and posted a different essay. I didn’t mind; in fact I explicitly gave her the go-ahead. (The essay she contacted me about was 8,500 words long – I’m not sure how something that length would be received at WB).
Point (2): Irrelevant and unpleasant comments happen on every blog. Get used to it. In my view, the thread author is responsible for policing the comments. On his own thread, he’s a policeman; he mustn’t take sides. It helps to narrow the discussion to specifics. And if someone says something you, as the author, strongly disagree with and can’t refute right there, you should plan another article in response. And maybe put in a comment saying something like, “I’ll reply to that in another post.”
Point (3): Well, I haven’t found engagement with commenters to be a problem. Some of those I’ve engaged are more tasteful than others; but as I’ve already said on another thread here, “It isn’t who you are that matters, but what you do.” Or say.
Point (4): Anonymous does have a case here. While thread authors should certainly receive an e-mail for every comment made on their thread, sending an e-mail for every comment to everyone who has previously commented on the thread goes over the top. In my view, a daily message “there are new comments by <X>, <Y> and <Z> on this thread” should be sufficient.
I like WB so far.
P.S. Is that really an original IBM typewriter?
Autumn Cote Added Oct 12, 2017 - 1:07pm
If it weren’t for my efforts to bring new blood to this site, I’m very confident the site would have died long ago.  I couldn’t agree more with what you wrote in your second paragraph. If the sole reason I was doing this was for the potential for profit, I should give up on this venture and do something else.  However, the hope of financial gain is not the primary reason I continue to persist. 
I don’t think amateur writers think they’re being exploited by Writer Beat.  I think most appreciate the extra exposure, so long it’s from people that agree. 
Didn’t you give me carte blanche to pick any of your articles from your blog?  To turn off comment notifications, click your name in the upper right hand corner.  From there it should be self-explanatory.  As always, many thanks for the compliments and your participation with Writer Beat! 
To all,
A newbie in need of a comment:
Stone-Eater Added Oct 12, 2017 - 1:18pm
I think established authors/writers (i.e. those who can make a living with their written work) would not be here in the first place. So if some amateur believes some of his/her creative talent was being exploited by the WB process, it seems to me that they are over-rating themselves. 
That confirm my new article. Thanks :-)
Dave Volek Added Oct 12, 2017 - 2:34pm
I'm hoping to be above WB someday, too busy promoting the concepts in my book to worry about what's happening here. But until then, I'm thankful Autumn has provided this opportunity. I'm not sure about the exposure, but I think I'm honing skills.
Recently Autumn has brought in some academics who have posted some great articles. These articles should have generated some interesting discussion, but generally speaking they don't get a lot of "good" comments. When I try to put my perspective, the writers don't respond. I think the time it takes to write these articles and the time it takes to craft a wise comment, and then the time it takes to respond to that wise comment takes a toll on the contributors.
Most of us here are writing at a lower level that doesn't require as much time and thought. But we are still much better than your average internet discussion group.
To digress, I'm in the 20th year of my book. My family and friends think I'm nuts to continue this project. A few years back, a friend came back with this quip to gently remind me I was on a wrong track:
Blogger: A writer who can't make any money writing.
I guess that is where I am at.
To digress again, I spent about three hours on Tubularsock's website yesterday (when I should be working on my own book). I just laughed my head off--especially about the article of the disappearance of Air Force One.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Oct 12, 2017 - 2:43pm
I think anoymous has two valid points (Autumn has too many true points to include here. Sorry Autumn ;-)):
1) Maybe people would feel better if you invited them with the suggestion that they may occasionally cross-post their articles on WB to expand their reader base and that you are happy to republish one of their articles and set up an account for them. I think an honest and straight forward approach would pay off. If unsolicited emails come in, people think they have hit a computer virus and won't engage any longer.
2) You don't see the people who drop out because of the notification system. People don't want many emails. I still suggest disqus, but there might also be other options. Anonymous is put off by the inundation. She/he may not be the only one. And a solution is not to have NO notification.
Ari Silverstein Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:01pm
Autumn: How is it that you find people willing to cross-post their work here?
Benjamin: If you don’t want to receive comment notifications for an article that you commented in, click the unsubscribe button.   
opher goodwin Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:02pm
Autumn - well if you put things up on here you certainly get a response. Often it is constructive and interesting, equally often it's abusive. What the hell it's words. Often the ranting abuse is hilarious. It is all grist to the mill for a writer.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:27pm
I have just found that there is some improvement on the notification front at the user profile. Can one stop the emails and keep it the updates rolling there? I bet you work already on including links to the articles. Maybe also some some entry words of the recent comment. The site makes good progress.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:28pm
Note: I'm a lazy proof reader.
Autumn Cote Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:38pm
I hate to say it but I think the “dishonest” approach works best and I’ve tried a lot of approaches.  I think it’s unfair to call the approach dishonest, but I know most that say “OK to cross-post” have no idea what they’ve got themselves into.  When I provided more of the truth, many chose not to give it a try, probably mostly because they didn’t like the fact I was creating an account in their name.  I only have so much time in the day to prospect, I can’t spend tons of time qualifying people.   As for the comment notification system, you wouldn’t believe how helpful in making sure people are aware of their comment activity and stay engaged with the site.  Besides, as Ari points out, you can turn it off for any article of your choosing. 
I started spamming people on LinkedIn until they banned my account.  I then moved to Medium until they banned my account.  Recently I’ve been spending most of my time on Wordpress.  Throughout all this time, I surf the web for blogs and love the site Qwant (thank you Benjamin). 
Well said!
Stone-Eater Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:47pm
Keep on. Money isn't everything. I willl post my diary of 2100 pages and 18 years here LOL
Tube is really cool. I mean REALLY. I could imagine him on You TUBE. But he isn't the regular guy here.
You see, I'm neither good enough in writing nor in music, but that's ok. I enjoy it though. Better can do several things a bit that none at all. What counts is interest and am open mind. I don't need appreciation on the net. Can't buy a fucking pack of spaghetti out of this LOL
Stone-Eater Added Oct 12, 2017 - 3:50pm
Note: I'm a lazy proof reader.
What's a proof reader ? A software ? Ah ok. That's why I have so many typos....sorry for that Autumn. Maybe in winter it'll get better ;-)
wsucram15 Added Oct 12, 2017 - 8:41pm
The Author most likely did not know.  But I kind of feel on any site where you print or publish work, you get feedback either way.  This is just the few steps before that so its much harsher.
But you know, I remember my first article on here, it took me MONTHS to come back with an article. I showed the site to two of my Professors who pushed me to write in the first place, and they told me to get back on here and push back.  
SEF.."Grammerly"  a program...great one. Checks everything.  I love it, have it at the college.
Wick Burner Added Oct 12, 2017 - 10:46pm
Condensed paraphrase: 'I am going to publish an article, but only if everyone who engages with it does so in a manner that I find acceptable, and anyway, I will simply refuse to make any effort to adjust to this new portal for my inane ramblings, so I'll write a nasty e-mail and blame my failings on somebody else and slam the door on my way out.'
Stone-Eater Added Oct 13, 2017 - 10:12am
Believe it or not: I don't need any grammar correction, neither in English, German, nor French. I just have that talent or sense to write it correctly. If I make errors, it's because I type too hasty and am too lazy to correct it.
My horror is math....;-)
Autumn Cote Added Oct 13, 2017 - 12:00pm
Most of the people I find get little to know comment activity on their own blog.  The little comment activity they get is mostly from friends and family.  So when they are immediately hit with a comment from someone they don’t know and the comment is adversarial in nature, I imagine they’re a little shocked.  Not to mention the fact that they start getting automated comment notification emails from me. 
I’ve been thinking that a great way to grow the site would be to pitch it to economics and political science professors.  Don’t you think a professor would find it interesting to have students submit their next term papers here and then grade them based on how well they field comments?
Too funny…I couldn’t agree more with your condensed paraphrase.
 To all,
Another newbie in need of a comment:
Dave Volek Added Oct 13, 2017 - 12:19pm
I like your idea of professors getting their students to post on WB. For sure, they will get all sorts of comments.
One of the interesting features of WB is that after I post an article, I am anticipating a certain kind of response (both positive and negative). Seldom do the actual responses go according to my anticipations. That's part of the fun, here.
Autumn Cote Added Oct 13, 2017 - 4:48pm
One thing to keep in mind is that no matter your opinion, you're far more likely to hear from dissenters than those that agree.  So don't take criticism too harshly.  
Autumn, I may have some recruits for you. I'm putting together a description of the site, here's what I have so far:
You can publish whatever you want within certain guidelines, which are usually ignored and rarely enforced, but as they are you can publish just about anything except porn, but if porn is relevant to your post, then so be it. You can moderate your own posts, but not those of others. You can add and delete posts and comments almost at will. Commentary, debate, trolling, and general viciousness are all highly encouraged. It's a very brutal site, and the operator of it routinely posts termination-of-account e-mails of harried, disgruntled and generally butt-hurt would-be bloggers, taking steps to keep them anonymous, but you can often deduce who it is. I've never seen anyone kicked off of it. In other words, it is what it claims to be: The Wild West of the Internet. So strap on at least a pair of six-shooters before walking in.
Jeff Michka Added Oct 15, 2017 - 1:45pm
Oh wow, Michael B is trying to get more Nazis on WB?  What a contribution!!
Speaking of which...this should add some luster to the site:
It's not lacking in particularly idiotic and vicious trolls, most of whom are retired old white men with absolutely nothing better to do than to spend the entire day and night nattering and sniping on others. Some of them are actually child molesters and registered sex offenders. They're so fucking stupid, much like animals in a feeding frenzy, they even feed of off their own kind, or in this case, others that they normally would more-or-less get along with. 99.99999% of the shit they write sounds like a fucking broken record. The biggest assholes rarely if ever post anything themselves, but are content to be asshole trolls; that's their only "contribution" to the site. Occasionally it's actually pretty fucking funny, but most of the time it is not.
Yeah, that sums it up pretty well!
Jeff Michka Added Oct 15, 2017 - 5:14pm
Michael B sez: but are content to be asshole trolls; that's their only "contribution" to the site.-Ah, kinda like you going off on SEFa as WB's head fake "patriot," or some of you other name calling?  Sounds like you got yourself down pretty well, nasty  or white trash...that sums it up pretty well!  
Autumn Cote Added Oct 15, 2017 - 10:38pm
Your first comment was so funny that I read it aloud to my husband and we both shared a pretty good laugh together…thanks for that.  Your second comment was odd, did you lash out because of what Michka said?  For whatever it’s worth, I think you have anger management issues.  Also note, my favorite participants are those that rarely post and I’m unaware of any trolls using this site.  
To all,
Another newbie in need of a comment:
Stone-Eater Added Oct 16, 2017 - 4:37am
anger management issues
Wow, that's a goodie. That's my English lesson for today :-)
my favorite participants are those that rarely post
Wow again. So people make yourself rare LOL
LOL! Don't forget that I'm mentally ill, too! This is getting better all the time! Autumn is married to Michka!!!! Everything makes perfect sense now!
"You can say whatever you want, because there are no trolls on the site, that job being taken by her husband, who is the chief troll."
Jeff Michka Added Oct 16, 2017 - 5:57pm
Michael B, Mieky G, Slade Hartman sez: Don't forget that I'm mentally ill, too! This is getting better all the time! Autumn is married to Michka!  Did Janie Smith finally tell you of your illness?  Was it a rant about latinos taking your parking place? I thought the attempted "Michael B" rehab, where you appear to be sane, didn't work. You need to cultivate some more "friendships" of your like-minded, Geo Romey, JenJen Frosted.  But got a feeling they'll want less of you than Janie Smith did.  in your "words": Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!
You'll never do any better than some Latino hookers, "B"...all you can afford.  Throw a fit about SEFa again Loser B.  You exhibit all the signs of being the typical fake patriot, and are more of a German patriot than an American "patriot."  So the SEFa raves you went on are more B for "bullshit."
Autumn Cote Added Oct 16, 2017 - 6:44pm
My apologies.  Those participants that just comment and almost never submit articles, while valuable, aren’t as valuable as those that do both. 
To all,
Another newbie in need of a comment.
Nasty Added Oct 17, 2017 - 12:55am
I am paying for access to your site. I am  publishing a comment within 24 hours of posting an article. The article is titled Trumpinator. Hope you enjoy it!
Don Added Oct 19, 2017 - 10:11pm
You did good Autumn as I did not understand what the origina writer was complaining about.