The world is out of control - where's Superman?

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The world has changed enormously over these last 500 years and not always for the better. Since Columbus ‘discovered’ the Americas and put into motion the events that led to the genocide of the Incas and North American Native Indians, the setting up of the United States, Canada and South America, the introduction of slavery and the rape of the land with its ensuing  destruction of wildlife, the human population has gone berserk. All over the planet we teem in great numbers, chopping down forests, hunting and building roads, towns and cities. There is racism, war and huge climate change. We are now in the Anthropocene – a time when humans are impacting on the climate of the planet. The future has never looked as uncertain. Will we pull back from the brink?


I believe that only through a global body to regulate our pollution, climate effects and population, wars, poverty and environmental destruction, can we hope to have a future. Already for many species it is too late. Our planet's wildlife has been devastated.

 

I listen to all manner of people telling me that the UN is useless and a waste of money, that any global control is equated with a world government and tyranny, that we want less government and more freedom. Yet they offer no solutions, no alternatives. They simply deny the destruction is happening.

 

Meanwhile the wars rage, the population soars, poverty for a lot of the world continues, the exploitation of poor people goes unchecked, the forests are cut, the animals slaughtered and the relentless capitalist machine continues forward unchecked. A small elite is creaming it in and evading all taxes and responsibility. The multinationals play nation against nation with impunity and scam us all.

 

The planet is being raped through mining, fracking, agriculture, pesticides, and urbanisation. So many people are in denial yet the evidence is right there. I see it in my own backyard that used to be a riot of butterflies and bees. The ponds that used to be full of frogspawn. I see it flying over devastated land that used to be jungle teeming with life. I see it when sailing the seas which are bereft of life. I see it in the dirty sprawling cities and overcrowded streets full of desperate people in Asia, India, South America and Africa. Yet people still tell me it isn't happening.


It feels to me that we are careering towards that edge with people fighting for control of the wheel and nobody reaching for the brake.


Will the United Nations finally come into its own? Because there sure as apples is apples ain't no superman.

 

I put my faith in the United Nations and it’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It is a beacon to humanity. Because I've not heard anyone coming out with any other solution and market forces are not going to fix it. The UN Charter for Human Rights is my bible. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

 

 

I swear by it:

 

http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/

 

Comments

opher goodwin Added Oct 13, 2017 - 7:55pm
My priority is wildlife and the protection of the environment. My contention is that there are too many of us and we're destroying the ecology of the planet. I also believe we have a greedy, selfish, faceless elite who are exploiting us all. We need a global response to protect our human rights and the rights of other forms of life on this planet.
John G Added Oct 13, 2017 - 8:00pm
Centralised power is the problem that you don't get.
It is the centralised power of the Anglo-US elite aka the Davos class that is waging the wars both external and internal, military and economic.
You just don't want to believe it.
Giving them more power ain't gonna fix nothing. Your population control thoughts are along the elites' thoughts too.
Not pretty, anti-human.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 13, 2017 - 8:24pm
Authoritarian Followers Syndrome is the author's problem. 26% of the population worldwide suffer thusly. 
John G Added Oct 13, 2017 - 10:04pm
Only 26%? I thought it was higher.
Jeff Jackson Added Oct 13, 2017 - 11:25pm
Opher's not terribly optimistic about what we can do with this planet.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Oct 13, 2017 - 11:31pm
Superman got killed by Doomsday after Batman kicked Superman's ass. Didn't you see the movie? 
Neil Lock Added Oct 14, 2017 - 12:57am
Opher: Have you looked into the climate change issue? In detail? I have, over more than 9 years. And - while it's probable that human emissions of carbon dioxide are causing some small increase in global temperatures, the evidence is that the anthropogenic effect is probably lost in the noise of all the other things that affect the climate. It simply isn’t worth worrying about.
 
The UN Declaration of Human Rights is one of the very few decent things the UN has done. Even that has some things in it that are seriously wrong – for example, “free” education can’t be a right, because implementing it requires violation of the property rights of those who are to be forced to pay for the education of other people’s children.
 
Are you not aware that it’s the UN that is, and has been for well more than 30 years, behind the deep green agenda? The agenda which has been and is being used by unscrupulous politicians to grab more power and to implement their bad policies – like making energy so expensive we can’t afford it, and forcing us out of our cars? I’ve done a write-up of some of the history here:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/20/our-common-future-revisited-how-did-the-roadmap-for-the-green-juggernaut-fare-over-30-years/
 
I don’t know about the Davos class, but John G is spot on when he says “Centralized power is the problem that you don’t get.”
 
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:10am
“free” education can’t be a right, because implementing it requires violation of the property rights of those who are to be forced to pay for the education of other people’s children.
False.
It is operationally impossible for the US government to pay for universal healthcare, the military, a tin of baked beans, or anything else with the proceeds collected in federal taxes, because the US government spends through direct high powered money creation, high powered money is the instrument that settles federal tax liabilities, and federal spending must proceed federal taxation in order for ‘private’ entities to have the US dollars required to pay the tax.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:11am
Precede not proceed.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 3:56am
John G - I have no desire to give those people more power. I would want a system that avoids that.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:02am
Jeff - no I'm not feeling very optimistic about it. The more I travel the more destruction and poverty I see. The rate of destruction is speeding up and if we simply turn our backs and allow the corporate machine to bulldoze its way without check we won't have much of a planet left. People live in bubbles and are oblivious.
All I hear on WB is people bleating about giving these shady characters power. But they already have the power and are doing just what they want. There are no checks and balances and that is just how they like it. Profit is all they are interested in. Not one person has come forward with a hint of suggestion of how we put a stop to it.
Optimism? Where's the room for optimism?
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:03am
Jenifer - Oh - I didn't know that. What you mean there is no superman anymore? Our last hope is gone.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:08am
Neil - I am aware of all the dangers and pitfalls of centralising power. But they already have it. They are doing what they want. What I want is a system of regulation of their activities. The multinationals are running riot.
We are not going to be able to control pollution, environmental destruction, overpopulation, war, poverty, terrorism, crime, taxation........... without a universal approach.
Not to address it is wiping out wildlife and destroying nature and allowing the unscrupulous exploitation to continue.
I have no faith in capitalism.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:12am
Neil - I'm all for free education. And my own experience and studies leaves me in no doubt that the activities of humans are having an enormous effect on the planet. The Anthropocene is real. I have described this in my own book Anthropocene Apocalypse.
https://www.amazon.com/Anthropocene-Apocalypse-Opher-Goodwin-ebook/dp/B00NU7WMJC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1507968988&sr=8-1&keywords=Anthropocene+apocalypse
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:12am
Not one person has come forward with a hint of suggestion of how we put a stop to it.
 
I did. 
 
You chose to reject it. 
 
Or haven't you read it?
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:21am
Go on then Jeffry - tell me.
Minister Peaceful Poet Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:28am
Population is on the down turn.  Birth rates are dropping rapidly in the western world and everywhere else you have war, starvation and sickness.  
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:35am
Not one person has come forward with a hint of suggestion of how we put a stop to it.
Anyone who does is labelled an extremist by both you faux lefties and your fascist faux enemies.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:37am
You are not going to achieve any sort of democracy by handing over more power to a centralised authority that has already been usurped by the Anglo-US capitalist elite.
You are beyond naive.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 5:34am
John G - that's because you believe extreme things and are so abusive.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 5:37am
John G - there you go. You just call people names without even looking at how to solve the crisis. You're totally stuck in your own view. Everyone else is naïve. Yet the crisis goes on. The world is being destroyed. You offer no solutions.
Those people are already in control. They are running the joint. I want them stopped. And you are worried about giving them more control. Can't you see - they already have control. I want to curb it.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 14, 2017 - 5:49am
It is the centralised power of the Anglo-US elite aka the Davos class that is waging the wars both external and internal, military and economic.
 
Yep. Exactly.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 14, 2017 - 5:51am
These unscrupulous gangs bathe in the sea of politically correct sheep LOL
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:08am
SEF/John G - the trouble with this doom-laden thinking is that there is no answer. We might just as well forget it and try to get on with our own little lives and leave them to it. If they are as firmly in control as you suggest, micromanaging ISIS, controlling all the news output, initiating wars, directing the whole global operation then there is no way forward.
But I don't believe that. I don't want to believe that.
I think they influence things but do not control it.
If things are as bad as you suggest I can't see how having a world regulating body would make things any worse. If they already have as much power as you suggest then it wouldn't make a jot of difference. However, if it is more how I see it then a regulating body, properly set up, with democratic safeguards, would limit their operations.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:11am
Opher
 
The more centralized power you have, the more that power is concentrated on few people. That's why I'm against any organizations like EU, NATO or UN. There's always ONE that has more cash to lead such a unit into the direction HE wants. And the rest has either to follow or gets fucked.
 
As we see.
Neil Lock Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:11am
John G: Forgive me if I've misunderstood you, but are you saying that governments get more of their "income" by debauching their currencies (a.k.a. "quantitative easing") than through taxation? You may well be right there; but deliberate currency inflation is still a violation of the property rights of the people whose dollars, pounds or euros are now worth less than they were yesterday.
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:14am
SEF - I do not believe it has to be that way. Having a central regulating body coordinating and controlling the activities of the multinational bandits that are happily ripping the planet apart because no nation can control them does not have to be a disaster.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:14am
democratic safeguards
 
That will be who exactly ? The sheep which are led to believe what the above mentioned masters say ? Democracy is a hoax. It never existed. As did communism or socialism. Since we're on that ball, we had and have only ONE system:
 
Economic dictatorship.
 
And that won't change, believe me.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:35am
SEF - that is possible but I refuse to believe it. If the control is that complete and democracy completely useless then the whole thing is a sham and none of it makes any difference. That is manifestly not true. If that was the case it would not make any difference whether Trumpet, Clinto or Bernie got in. But it does. If Clinton had got in we would not be ratcheting up the war talk with Iran and N Korea. Health Care would not be taken apart. We wouldn't have this islamophobia and isolationism.
The same in Britain. When the Tories are in they put into practice different policies. It changes dramatically.
Democracy does work.
Behind the scenes those shady bastards do meddle. They do control the media and create their hate campaigns. They do manipulate the sheep and frighten them into going the way they want. But I do not believe they are as firmly in control as you suggest. If that was the case we would have no influence what-so-ever. We might as well sit it out. But that is not the case.
Neil Lock Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:42am
Opher: I am aware of all the dangers and pitfalls of centralising power. But they already have it. 
 
Then we have to find a way of taking it away from them. Putting power in the hands of a regulator is no solution; it transfers the problem to a new and even more authoritarian structure.
 
I have no faith in capitalism.
 
It depends what kind of capitalism. Capitalism - understood as the private ownership of the means of production - is a good thing. (Or would be, if we had it). As opposed to socialism, which is "public" (i.e. state) ownership of the means of production.
 
There are other meanings of the word capitalism, which you would be right to oppose. Crony capitalism, for example, where the governments and the corporations get together in acts of economic incest. If that’s what you’re actually objecting to, I couldn’t agree more.
 
Personally, it’s the political system I have no faith in. Corporate misconduct is a consequence of that, not a cause.
Neil Lock Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:44am
Jeffry Gilbert: Can you direct us to where you have put forward your suggestion of how to deal with these problems?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 14, 2017 - 7:01am
Neil, I read it in:
 
Unintended Consequences
 
That link will download the free PDF file of the book. 
 
There's much more than the solution in the book. The solution begins in the last section - the last 209 pages if I recall.
 
It's what I suggested this article's author read. Apparently he has not. 
 
Neil Lock Added Oct 14, 2017 - 7:28am
Thanks, Jeffry. Another 209+ pages to read! I'll put it on my list.
 
I don't think you were on the thread where I gave Opher a link to one of my proposals. So the following might interest you: http://www.honestcommonsense.co.uk/2017/03/good-governance-part-1-functions-of.html
The Burghal Hidage Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:34am
Ah Neil you've opened the proverbial can of worms I see.
 
Opher, Stoney -  Ubermensch ist tot
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:16am
Jeffry - Aaah - that one - unfortunately, though I downloaded the book, I have not had time to read a whole book. Perhaps you could give us the benefit in less than 209 pages?
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:18am
TBH - no superman is alive and well.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:19am
Neil - putting it in the hands of a democratic body is the only way I can see of controlling the machine.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:22am
Neil - for me I would like a more socially aware, caring system. Capitalism serves a wealthy elite. The social democratic model finds the halfway house between rampant capitalism and State control. Essential public amenities are in the hands of the State, there are excellent public services and provision, the standard of life is high and it is paid for by a taxation system that reduces the excesses of inequality. That is my kind of society.
George N Romey Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:38am
No centralized power. Break up any corporation with more than $1 billion in revenues.  Take apart the financial state and rid the world of central bankers. No career politicians. Big always becomes criminal. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:40am
Neil - I read your essay - but I couldn't see any suggestions for how we tackle the global reach of the multinationals, the evasion of taxation, the gross inequality, the environmental destruction, the overpopulation or other global issues. Outlining what constitutes bad governance does not put things right does it?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Oct 14, 2017 - 11:40am
@Opher. cant give a reasoned response on the topic as my politicking has me tied down. I will say this: Our existence is a function of Columbus' discoveries. Take Columbus out of this equation and I will assert that none of us on WB would have been born. True, the world would have been better environmentally wise. The industrial age would not have been around, and medicine would be in the dark ages of leeches sucking blood. What can an examination of natives living untouched by civilization teach us? 
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:06pm
Roger - world population is still spiralling out of control. Only in the Western World is it falling.
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:08pm
George - an audacious set of proposals. But how would that happen? Who could take apart a multinational? They'd just move. How would you take google to bits?
opher goodwin Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:09pm
DRG - so you think Europe would not have prospered without the discovery of America?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:28pm
Opher
 
If Clinton had got in we would not be ratcheting up the war talk with Iran and N Korea
 
Do you really believe that ? Who was at the start of the war in Libya ! This fucking whore. Sorry.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 14, 2017 - 1:31pm
TBH
 
Opher, Stoney -  Ubermensch ist tot
 
Nope he's not. He lives on in the US and Israel and is for the moment presented as Donald Trump. The Uebermensch has no brains but he thinks he has. If not, he wouldn't see himself as such.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Oct 14, 2017 - 2:37pm
True about Europe and global advancement as a function of Columbus. Columbus has to be seen as what he represented to the world as to opposed to who he was. But, would Mother Theresa had taken those bold moves?
 
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 3:18pm
Lock John G: Forgive me if I've misunderstood you, but are you saying that governments get more of their "income" by debauching their currencies (a.k.a. "quantitative easing") than through taxation? You may well be right there; but deliberate currency inflation is still a violation of the property rights of the people whose dollars, pounds or euros are now worth less than they were yesterday.
I'm not saying anything of the sort.
Currency issuing governments don't require 'revenue' to spend.
QE creates no new money.
There's no such thing as 'currency inflation'.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 3:21pm
SEF/John G - the trouble with this doom-laden thinking is that there is no answer. We might just as well forget it and try to get on with our own little lives and leave them to it
You're the one not listening here. You're saying that your entirely irrational 'cure' is the only one possible. But your cure makes no sense.
It is the geopolitical equivalent of putting leeches on a bleeding patient.
And stop whining will you?
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 3:27pm
If you have no power over your 'representative democracy' now, how in hell do you think you'll have any over a global uber-government?
This is just nuts.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 3:30pm
Roger - world population is still spiralling out of control. 
Nope. the growth rate is slowing quite rapidly in fact.
And who are you to start telling people who can breed?
mark henry smith Added Oct 14, 2017 - 3:54pm
Opher, we're all superman or we're all done for. We all have to take the steps needed to head off catastrophe. This is not one man's fight. It will be superman who comes up with better transportation systems, better heating systems, better arguments for why we should live better, better meaning more in line with reality, the reality that our actions matter and small releases of things over a long time become big releases eventually.
 
This argument that paying for other people's children to be educated is wrong, or a violation of rights, is asinine. The reason we provide public services isn't to directly benefit from them, but to harvest indirect benefits. You may never ride on that road you helped pay for, but it is the tie that brings good and services to your community.
 
I'm not sure that more education makes for better people. I would argue that compulsory education makes some people better and some people much worse, but that it is necessary for training a generation about the challenges and expectations that will confront them in the world, train them in the way that the ruling elite finds acceptable at that time. Every generation is confronted with a new reality. The job of the old generation isn't to teach them how to do things the old way. That's a sure recipe for disaster. The job is to teach them the necessity of finding better ways to manage the resources we possess. 
 
Whether an individual has the wherewithal to meet those challenges or rise to levels expected is dependent upon myriad factors, but it is in society's interest to have all citizens understand basic concepts and feel that they have the potential to attain through skill and determination.
 
Opher, again we hear this totally idiotic argument that humanity couldn't possibly affect climate with our actions because we're so small and climate is so big. Whenever I meet one of these morons, I ask them about the pond.
 
A pond of 100 square feet has one square inch of algae. The algae doubles in size each day. How many days until the pond is completely covered? At what stage is the health of the pond effected?
 
1200 square inches. 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512-1012-done. 12 days and the pond is covered. Or is it a geometric progression: 1-2-4-16-256-done. But the damage doesn't really start until the algae starts to die and the decomposition process robs the water of oxygen, but changes in the pond environment began on day one, we just don't see them because they're small.
 
The changes we've seen so far in the environment are tiny compared to what's coming, and to have a president and cabinet so dedicated to making bold statements and denials exposing their blindness to thoughtful action, (promoting coal, really?) is more than troubling. It's terrorizing. I feel terrorized by cars and politicians more everyday. 
 
The warming is going to occur so much faster than anyone ever anticipated because the heating of the oceans will melt polar ice and open up those areas of ocean to faster heating.
 
Anyway, history has taught us that when the shit-hits-the-fan, as it will, the best place to be is behind the fan where we'll be.        
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:29pm
Here is the Goodwin logic.
There is a problem, we must do something!
This is something, we must do it.
Dino Manalis Added Oct 14, 2017 - 4:47pm
Modernization at  its best and the U.N. depends on the contribution of its members, especially the United States.  I agree everything's in disarray, it's been this way since 9/11, there are lots of problems, but we need to promote peace; stability; and prosperity at home and abroad.
Dave Volek Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:39pm
Actually I'm happy to be born in this age--and in a country like Canada. My grandparents from Eastern Europe had a public education until the age of 10. After that, they found jobs to help keep their family from starving, only gaining basic literacy and math skills. My grandparents' situation was normal for 90% of the population. We are in so much better times in so many ways. There's no way I'm going back to 500 years ago. And there never was a golden age for most of us.It was a hard life being a peasant or "working poor" in any country.
 
It's easy to be discouraged because all the bad news. But we need to look at the other side:
 
1. People are being educated much more than they used to be.
2. Health advances have prolonged life.
3. There haven't been any great conflicts since WW2. Somehow international diplomacy has a way of mitigating them into small skirmishes--and minimizing abuses.
4. Climate change deniers really aren't getting their way. We are going in that direction of fighting climate despite their railings.
5. The internet is connecting us in ways we never thought of 50 years ago.
6. Big Government, along with Big Business does not get its way like it used to 50 years ago.
 
I could go on, but this is not a world beset with only setbacks. 
 
The world is learning new ways. Just like a teenager trying to become an adult. We will mature--and our descendants will wonder about the angst of this age.
 
 
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 6:43pm
3. There haven't been any great conflicts since WW2. Somehow international diplomacy has a way of mitigating them into small skirmishes--and minimizing abuses.
You mean not many white people have died.
Iraqis, Vietnamese etc don't count.
Flying Junior Added Oct 14, 2017 - 7:04pm
I am in accord that as a body where the world can come together to agree upon universal policies that will benefit all countries and indeed our world the United Nations holds great promise.  The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a beautiful proclamation.  But if anyone has been lucky enough to peruse the original United Nations charter from 1946 wherein all of the organs and their purposes were carefully defined in the aftermath and destruction of the second world war, you may agree that it was a monumental and greatly constructive meeting of the finest minds and statespersons the world had to offer. 
 
On to the U.S and our role in that organization.  I'm not sure that we truly met our lofty goals for very long after the war, surely not during the Eisenhower administration with the growth of the influence of the C.I.A. as a force for U.S. capital interests and deliberate sabotage and overthrow of nations such as Iran.  Kennedy remembered the ideals of the U.N. vividly.  He was very much concerned for the dispossessed and impoverished of the world.  Sadly that focus was lost when we lost him.  Then the U.S. began more and more to dominate proceedings at the U.N. using it as a legal justification for war or ignoring it when it wouldn't bend to our will.  I think the most embarrassing moment in the entire history of our dysfunctional relationship with other nations that we surely treat as inferiors was probably when Trump addressed the body vowing to clean up and streamline the organization while at the same time chiding member nations for not paying their fair share.  Shameful.
 
Still, the U.N. had functioned rather well in recent years particularly with the Paris Accords.  Yet again, shamelessly, Trump unilaterally thumbs the entire world community with his refusal to participate.  Before the monster, under Bush we had refused to participate in the World Court, quite transparently because we were doing illegal things.  Torture, rendition, kidnappings, assassinations, war crimes.  We wanted to continue to do these things with impunity.  I don't deny it, the U.S. today is a rogue nation.
 
I am not a nationalist because I still love my country.  I am not blind to the sins of the U.S.  I protested and spoke out against the Iraq War vehemently before it ever began.  I watched it like a slow motion train wreck.  A moment stretched over months and then years, something that clearly never should have happened.  All it brought about was the horror of war, destruction of a functional and prosperous nation and countless unnecessary deaths and loss of treasure and property.  All to enrich the greedy MIC.  After blogging with friends, I soon realized that the war in Afghanistan was equally horrific and destructive.
 
But I am an dyed-in-the-wool democrat.  That does not make me a neocon or a neoliberal.  That does not make me a Christo-Fascist.  I get that a lot of the commentariat at WB believes that both parties serve the corporatocracy.  It's true, they do.  We have big banks and conglomerates.  Our capitalism is largely unregulated.  But anyone who can't see the difference between the two parties is clearly not paying attention.  It was Bush who started the wars.  It was Trump who is rolling back environmental initiatives.  It is the republicans who deny climate change.  It is the republicans that try to defend coal mining and coal power, although it is looking more and more like a political football as practical considerations make it unprofitable.  It is the republicans that wish to deny universal healthcare or health insurance, as clumsy as the roll-out of Obamacare truly was.  It's not only hurting the people of our own country, but more importantly, right now the Trump administration is destroying any credibility and faith that the U.S. might have enjoyed in the world community.  The relationships so stressed under the sadistic and violent presidency of Bush, so carefully rebuilt under Obama are now withering into distrust, disbelief and outright hatred, I'm sure, of the U.S.
 
Go ahead and hate us if it makes you feel better.  But the baiting behavior of John G. and Jeffry Kelley is just disgusting.
 
I sincerely hope that some day quite soon we can re-establish the vital role that a large and powerful, yet wise and just U.S. should be playing across the world.  Under Trump, we are a mean-spirited nation of plunderers and dispossessors.  Utterly unconcerned for any welfare other than our own.  Pray for us you lovely Europeans.  Help us to regain our morality citizens of the world.  I've never been so ashamed of the behavior of my government as today, and I was already hanging my head in shame tw
Flying Junior Added Oct 14, 2017 - 7:08pm
tw = twelve years ago.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 7:15pm
Concern trolling for the DNC.
Flying Junior Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:01pm
I'm not a troll, Mr. Iconoclast.  I'm a real person and I'm not here to disrupt intelligent conversation.  Look up the word troll.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:13pm
Look up the term 'concern troll', Mr DNC shill.
Flying Junior Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:16pm
Here is something else perpetrated by the monster, Johnnie.  He ended the successful CHIP program which provided basic healthcare and check-ups for 9 million kids.  All at a cost of $13.6 B.
 
The WaPo only lets you read if you are a subscriber.  But if you do a Googol search, you can look at the article.  Top result.
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=congress+ends+CHIP&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 9:42pm
I'm not arguing for Trump, buddy.
But I won't argue for Obama, Clinton, Pelosi et al either.
Obama bombed 7 countries and destroyed Libya and Syria. And was instrumental in the carnage in Yemen.
These are not good people worthy of any right thinking person's vote.
John G Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:22pm
And you shilling for them makes you pretty disgusting to me.
Saint George Added Oct 14, 2017 - 10:39pm
Neil Lock:
 
Show the proper respect. Opher taught grade-school biology 40 years ago, therefore it follows with certainty that he knows all about atmospheric chemistry and meteorology. He's a "scientist".
Neil Lock Added Oct 15, 2017 - 2:45am
The Burghal Hidage: Thanks for the warning.
 
Jeffry Gilbert: I skim-read a couple of chapters, and they didn't do much for me. I don't think violence is a good way to go about things, anyway.
 
Opher: Try the second part of that essay, http://www.honestcommonsense.co.uk/2017/03/good-governance-part-2-area-of-good.html.
 
In the section “Dealing with wrongdoers,” I mention the crony corporations that got away with criminal acts; and those responsible will, of course, receive the punishment they have earned.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:19am
Out of control government is populated with out of control bureaucrats, agents and petty men and women who have been elected. If they don't fear we the people they will continue their felonious activity with satisfaction. The only way to bring them to heel is to make them fear us. They won't fear us until many of their cohorts start dying. I get you have no taste for it. Be assured talking it to death won't bring them to heel. Only mortal fear will. 
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:24am
JG. That sort of language is music to the ears of the oligarchs that really run things.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:16am
How so John? Its the people who do the bidding of the oligarchs. Soon there won't be any willing to risk dying for a few sheckles from them.
 
Of course there is a way to avoid death by resigning and posting that in the official notice section of say the WSJ or whatever. Utter repudiation of their crimes against we the people and no future employment at any level in government allows them to keep breathing. 
 
No innocents shall be harmed as that only serves those oligarchs. Only those crimes, for example the murder of Finicum, the 76 in Waco, the killing and burial of Bundy cattle by paramilitary agents of Bureau of Land Management, the hundreds of people in prison for paperwork snafus by those bastards at F-Troop (BATF), and on and on and on.
 
Liberty must be restored. 
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:25am
The government has become what it has because it has been taken over by the ruling class at the political level. 
And while you cast your gaze at 'government' as some sort of evil, they are looting.
It's the same deal with all the 'private Fed' nonsense. A distraction.
No government or any large organisation can ever be perfect. 
The issue is not government or no government. 
It is good government or bad government.
Democracy or oligarchy.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:33am
It is good government or bad government.
Democracy or oligarchy.

 
Agreed. 
 
The only good government is one that obeys we the people not the oligarchs. 
 
The only way to obtain that is with blood.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:54am
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence — it is force. Like fire it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action. - George Washington
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 5:04am
Flying Junior - You are a voice of sanity amid the cacophony.
Flying Junior Added Oct 15, 2017 - 8:54am
Please forgive me for confusing the two Jeffr(e)ys.
 
I did spell Jeffry correctly, however.
 
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 9:59am
....that's why I prefer to be called Stone. I've read everything from Fredly to Feidli around here. Dyslexic club :-)
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 10:56am
MPP - The world population is still growing at a fast rate.
The world population was estimated to have reached 7.6 billion as of October 2017. The United Nations estimates it will further increase to 11.2 billion by the year 2100.
An extra 3.6 Billion by 2100. Just think of the amount of food, waste and land an extra 3.6 Billion people require.
When I was born in 1949 the world population was only 2.5 Billion. There are already three times as many people as when I was born.
The damage being done to the environment is immense.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 10:59am
John G - read the above. I don't know where you get your facts from. The world population rise has slowed but it is still going berserk.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:01am
John G - Fuck off - My logic is quite simple. There is a problem. It needs solving. To do nothing is not an option. The destruction is too great. This is the only way I see to put it right. That is the application of intelligence and thought. Snipe away troll.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:05am
John G - The world population growth is the reason for most of the other problems. That is number one in my book. I do not propose telling people they can't breed. I propose putting into place a number of steps that would assist people in limiting their families and would result in a stabilisation. Stop dramatizing and putting words in my mouth. You can't read my thoughts or know how I would propose to do that. I have a very detailed plan of action that would bear results thanks.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:06am
Opher
 
We're not too many people. The problem is that they're too concentrated in places while others are empty. And we're too greedy. Each 6 months a new gadget and the waste is exported to Accra or Nairobi to rot in the open and poison the poor who scrap the little valuables left out of them.
 
WE are causing that by blindly following consumerism. And we're exporting that behaviour in full speed. That way we're wasting more resources than we should. We poison everything and pollute everything and still are told to follow the "economic growth" agenda. Fuck it.
 
Can't grow the planet, can we ? LOL
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:08am
Mark Henry - I agree with you. The shit is going to hit the fan and we are all going to suffer. All these deniers of population growth, the effect of humans on the planet and global warming are ostriches.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:11am
Dave - I also consider myself incredibly lucky to have been born in a golden age. So many things are so much better. However, in the process the world population has trebled and we are making a great mess of the world. It needs stopping or we will be destroying it for future generations.
I can quite easily kick back and have a great time - if I simply ignore what is happening around the world.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:14am
Flying Junior - But I am an dyed-in-the-wool democrat.  That does not make me a neocon or a neoliberal.  That does not make me a Christo-Fascist.  I get that a lot of the commentariat at WB believes that both parties serve the corporatocracy.  It's true, they do.  We have big banks and conglomerates.  Our capitalism is largely unregulated.  But anyone who can't see the difference between the two parties is clearly not paying attention.  It was Bush who started the wars.  It was Trump who is rolling back environmental initiatives.  It is the republicans who deny climate change.  It is the republicans that try to defend coal mining and coal power, although it is looking more and more like a political football as practical considerations make it unprofitable.  It is the republicans that wish to deny universal healthcare or health insurance, as clumsy as the roll-out of Obamacare truly was.  It's not only hurting the people of our own country, but more importantly, right now the Trump administration is destroying any credibility and faith that the U.S. might have enjoyed in the world community.  The relationships so stressed under the sadistic and violent presidency of Bush, so carefully rebuilt under Obama are now withering into distrust, disbelief and outright hatred, I'm sure, of the U.S.
Well said.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:15am
BTW: I agree that population is growing at a faster pace than it should. But then.....illnesses are being wiped out, more food is available (in theory for all), people live 20-30 years longer, especially in Asia and Africa, the pharma extends a life significantly, hygiene has improved.....it's not only the birth rate.
 
And if an African family has ONE kid, the chance for a job for that one is smaller than if the family has 5 kids...it comes back to us. IF we would have helped Africa to develop and not only exploit, they'd have a functioning work system, a social network and wouldn't have to rely on n kids to support them when they're old.
 
There's many factors which produce an increase in population.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:17am
Saint - that is true - I do know all about that. Atmospheric cycles, global warming, greenhouse effects, ozone layer. Yep. I can tell you the facts right up to the latest research. That's what I taught and studied.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:19am
Jeffry - you come over as a bit of a bully-boy thug. Is that how you really think we should deal with people? With hatred, fear and violence?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:20am
BTW2:
 
A LOT of land is wasted nowadays to produce biofuel and monocultures which not only kill small farmer's existences but also fuck up the soil in the long run. Talk about Monsanto and stuff. These are BIG areas.
 
Again: It's our system of profit that fucks up a lot. Like Americans say in the work market: Hire and fire. That has caught on on every aspect in life. The faster the better, the more the better. Tomorrow is not for me ;-)
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:20am
Jeffry - I agree - good government works for the people and not just the wealthy elite.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:24am
SEF - yes I think we would have been a lot safer in Clinton's hands. We would not be heading for a showdown with North Korea and Iran - hostilities that could very well put us in conflict with Russia and China and lead to a catastrophic war.
Clinton is a lot of things but she is not insane.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:47am
Opher
 
I think we would have been a lot safer in Clinton's hands. We would not be heading for a showdown with North Korea and Iran
 
With Clinton NK would probably be a pile of ashes already. Don't forget that she was behind the killing of Gadhafi which really started our refugee crisis here. She's a fucking bitch, and Trump is a simpleton.
 
We're really fed up here of any sort of US "politics". That's also why a lot of us support Putin. Just in a desperate try to get a counter-balance. At least Putin has proven that he's got brains....which should be required for a president.....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:50am
BTW: Many here would support a tighter alliance between the EU and Russia - the nightmare of the US. Why ? Because we don't TRUST the USA anymore. After all these wars they started does anybody wonder ?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:52am
...imagine EU brain and Russian resources, and then China, which is on good terms with Russia. Eurasia, so to say.
 
Let the US have THEIR continent. That should be enough, eh ?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 11:55am
.....and when the French give up La Grande Nation, we will allow the UK to dislocate to the US to preserve the "special relationship". That way we can take Africa on board too, colonial stuff being gone. We don't need no Obama LOL
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 1:16pm
Stone - I don't trust the US either - not with that sociopath in charge. The US is the world's biggest terrorist.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 1:23pm
Stone - that is so true. In order to reduce population we have to develop nations and give security to families so that they no longer rely on their kids.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 2:12pm
Opher
 
I don't trust the US either - not with that sociopath in charge.
 
It's not about that puppet. It's about people in behind like Brzezinski which have and had planned long-term. Trump is simply blown-up entertainment and distraction. You bet another one would do EXACTLY the same thing - but maybe not use Twitter to distribute his blather.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:40pm
The world population growth is the reason for most of the other problems. 
Your understanding of political economics is poor at best.
Your ability to learn new ways of looking at the world is non-existent.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:42pm
Btw your pop growth statistics are discredited. Latest trends show that the population will top out at about 9.6 billion. That is far short of the earth's carrying capacity.
And stop the abuse, old man.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:43pm
John G - Fuck off - My logic is quite simple. 
Simple and wrong.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:50pm
Stone - I don't know. I think he is unpredictable and uncontrollable - but yes - there are some powerful unpleasantnesses behind him.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 3:51pm
John G - Thanks again.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:00pm
Goodwin: So your genocide is going to be conducted by who?
Who will get to decide who is allowed to breed and who isn't?
I thought eugenics had largely died out.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:03pm
SEF: Again: It's our system of profit that fucks up a lot.
Exactly, it is the international trading system and western capitalism that is the problem. 
Changing the way we do things should be the goal.
Not wiping out black and brown people like Goodwin's eugenics approach.
wsucram15 Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:15pm
Lady..there you go with that precise timing again, I had to chuckle Superman got killed by Doomsday, etc....didnt you see the movie?
We do need a Superhuman to stop all this greed, it really is going to kill people.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:19pm
John
 
Exactly. But I don't think that Opher wants to wipe out anybody. I guess it's the fact that people nowadays are afraid to be branded as "socialists" or "communists" when they dare to criticize the system. I mean I see it here too. How many times I've been called a Russian troll or a communist ? As if the PRINCIPLE of socialism or communism would be a bad thing.
 
And I'm sure Opher would agree.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:36pm
Opher wants to reduce the global population down to 2.5 billion people, in line with Bill Gates and the elite eugenicists.
Clearly that won't happen without a lot of 'intervention' and given that Gate's class has all the tools and the weaponry, it isn't hard to figure out where that goes.
His palpable hatred of muslims and islam along with the constant apologism for imperial crimes against brown and black people and smearing of anyone who doesn't do likewise is all evidence against him.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Oct 15, 2017 - 4:57pm
John
 
Opher wants to reduce the global population down to 2.5 billion people, in line with Bill Gates and the elite eugenicists.
 
Bayer/Monsanto is already doing it. A nuclear war is not needed for that. Maybe Ebola (c) CIA was just a first step to that, since they had a biolab in Monrovia they closed after the first outbreak....and there's a lot of oil around from Guinea straight through to Angola.
 
Trust me - I know such stuff since my time in Cameroon. NWO is no joke. I'm not sure if Opher is aware of that.
 
https://www.thestandard.co.zw/2017/08/05/usa-epidemic-spreading-africa/
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 5:40pm
I doubt that he's awake enough to believe it. And wouldn't, no matter what evidence you presented.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 5:57pm
John G - genocide - childish absurdity. Population reduction can be achieved through a programme that puts the means into the hands of women - education, social reform, employment, pensions, welfare support and economic development - coupled with a good contraception service. When people are lifted out of poverty fertility levels fall.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 5:58pm
Jeanne - I didn't see the movie. But we do need a superman.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:03pm
John G - yes I do want to reduce the world population down to around three billion in time - but not by genocide - dolt. You let your imagination run wild with you.
I'm no racist nor an islamophobe. But I'm also not some paedophile loving cretin like you with your trolling mantra. You refuse to condemn a multitude of obnoxious practices.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:04pm
Stone - it is quite possible that ebola got out from some government source. You ought to read my book - Ebola in the Garden of Eden.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:21pm
But we do need a superman.
 
Which is why people like you will never change anything. Always waiting for a DADDY to make the bad man under the bed go away. 
 
Theorize, talk it to death but never any courage to back up your convictions. 
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:27pm
Jeffry - how on earth do you come up with that idea Jeffry? You know nothing about the way I've lived, what I've stood up to and taken on. I've shown more guts than you've got in all your John Wayne ranting Captain Pugwash.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:28pm
You refuse to condemn a multitude of obnoxious practices.
I refuse to take up your racist mantra and framing. As if you selectively condemning anything here means anything anyway. 
 
 some paedophile loving cretin
 
You are a pathetic whinger. You whine and yell 'abuse!!!!!!!' at every challenge of your simplistic braying and then come out with this sort of shit.
Like the pathetic pretend lefty that you are, you make common cause with the extremist right in trying to censor and silence the real left.
You Blairite, Clintonite, corporate EU loving hypocrite.
 
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:30pm
John G - genocide - childish absurdity. 
Oh yeah, you're just going to magic up some way of reducing the global population by 60%.
Eugenicist cretin.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:33pm
Joh G - that's right. It will take time and a change to this capitalist mantra of growth but it will work. Fertility levels in the developed world are dropping. Once people achieve a level of education and employment fertility falls. If it wasn't for immigration our populations would be shrinking nicely.
opher goodwin Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:34pm
John G - I don't whine. You extreme twat.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:41pm
The rate of growth is declining. That decline will mean that population will peak at about 9.5 billion. Well within the earth's carrying capacity.
It will never reduce the population to your 3 billion Aryan super race without violent intervention. A plan that your heroes in the elite eugenics movement have.
That is extremism.
The environmental ill-effects of humans and resource use can be vastly decreased with the implementation of a rational global trading system and the overthrow of capitalist control.
That seems to me to be less extreme than killing 60% of the global population.
 
 
wsucram15 Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:42pm
Jeffy..get off that train ride.  Im here doing shit to help, where the hell are you?  You left but yet still bitch about how bad it is or complain to the people who are still here trying to fight it out.
Just go back to swimming or what ever it is you do in where ever it is you are.  Please.  It was a conversation.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 6:43pm
Maybe you can do it with a global tax system.
LOLZ.
John G Added Oct 15, 2017 - 7:09pm
Which is why people like you will never change anything. Always waiting for a DADDY to make the bad man under the bed go away. 
 
Theorize, talk it to death but never any courage to back up your convictions. 
Exactly. It's exactly these liberals' 3rd way nonsense that has seen neoliberalism become the overwhelming force that it is.
These people are the enemies of positive change.
They positively hate anyone with any solutions that don't conform to their uber-rich leaders' 'solutions'.
They'll never learn.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2017 - 7:31pm
Im here doing shit to help
 
Well, I'm certain that "working within the system" doesn't work. The best you get from those pukes is a false acceptance/recognition that makes you "feel" you are getting something done while they walk away discussing what their oligarch bosses plans are and how to best implement them. 
 
Don't even get me started on their pond scum staff.
 
John G Added Oct 16, 2017 - 2:33am
Like Goodwin sitting there in Perfidious Albion with his thousands of CDs and vinyl casting judgement on the 3rd world for the temerity to have children and 'wreck the planet'.
These people use on average less than 10% of the resources a westerner uses (thankfully most westerners don't hoard thousands of CDs and vinyl like our Green warrior does) but his solution is to get them to use more resources but stop breeding.
Maths ain't his strongpoint and economics is an alien concept to his Royal Heinous Opher.
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 10:49am
John G - Who gives a shit about the world's carrying capacity you ignorant fool. The damage being done to the environment by our present bloated population is immense. We could have a 100 billion in Asimov's Caves of Steel but I prefer to live on a planet where we can see the sun and there is still wildlife and wilderness, the air doesn't have to be purified and the drinking water hasn't been through a hundred urethras on its way to my tap.
You select the lowest number. Some estimates go up to 13 Billion.
The third world is being exploited right now - palm oil, mining, cocoa, coffee, rubber - you name it. They are busy chopping the forests, killing the wildlife, burning the wood. It is a tragedy.
You stay squatting in the desert with your Muslim friends blaming everything on the West.
This is a global problem.
wsucram15 Added Oct 16, 2017 - 10:59am
Jeffry..
Its difficult enough here, without you discouraging everyone. You arent here and you know its bad.  YOU KNOW IT IS AND YET You SLAM EVERYONE, WHY? This is your country and you left because you dont agree or for whatever reason, but we are still here.
 
What do you want everyone to do..die?  Sit in their houses, what? Slump into depression and fade away..WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM PEOPLE?  I Fight back and do what I can to not have those things happen to me..I have seen the bad side of this and watched people die, losing everything and on and on.. 
 
You dont have to work within the system...I do certain things yes..but I also do things that fight against the system.  Depends on the issue.  I keep telling people to stop bitching and start fighting...Im not sure what everyone is waiting for...its not going to change.  UNLESS EVERYONE gets involved. 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 16, 2017 - 11:45am
Jeanne I'm simply telling the truth. That's all. How you choose to internalize what I write is wholly upon you. You'd rather I blew smoke up your ass?
 
I slam the ideas people express and do it rather harshly. Its a harsh fuckin' world. Admittedly there are one or two I slam personally just because doing so appeals to a certain part of my personality. 
 
What do you want everyone to do..die?
 
Now that you mention it......
 
My estimation of the mean, not average, DUHmerican is they are dogshit stupid ignorant illiterate uninformed and damned proud of it on top of being warmongers. Look how many fuckwits on here see no alternative to nuking DPRK. Were a few hundred million of those to die I wouldn't sweat it for one second. Defective DNA needs to be culled in my estimation. That's just me I could be wrong. 
 
In your world you come across people every day who are in govt and are truly evil. You want to do something constructive do a reccee, find out where when why and how they move around. Pick a spot walk up behind them hit them in the back of the head with a pipe, drop it, walk away and keep quiet about it. You'll never see the inside of a jail. Your countrymen will appreciate it despite not knowing the details. 
 
Good luck.
Dave Volek Added Oct 16, 2017 - 11:56am
Opher
 
I recommend reading "11" by Paul Hanley. This author says it is possible to feed and extract resources for an Earth of 11B people. He puts together research from all over the place to make his point.
 
As you know, I have been peddling my TDG for a long time. For me, the TDG is the hope that there is a better way to conduct our human affairs than western democracy, which is increasingly failing us. 
 
The fourth version will be available as an e-book soon. I'm not sure it will gain any traction for I'm not sure the world is ready to abandon its current ways just yet. But we will soon see. 
Edward Miessner Added Oct 16, 2017 - 12:03pm
opher, I'm late for the discussion but here's my 2 cents:
 
Looking for a real-life Superman is like looking for the historical Jesus of Nazareth. You can look but you can't find.
 
That being said, I agree with the UN Declaration of Human Rights and I thik it should be included in the Law of our Land---but the Republicans have coniptions over it every time the Democrats make some serious noises about obeying international law. Now a global regulatory agency? I'm not sure you want to go there; from our experience in the USA, industry was increasingly regulated from the Teddy Roosevelt era on, until the big businesses within the regulated industries figured out how to capture the agencies regulating them so that rules were written and enforced for their benefit, and then figured out how to capture the White House and Congress to lighten their regulatory burden. Not that any of this has helped small businesses any.
_______________________________________________________
 
SEF, "Opher 'If Clinton had got in we would not be ratcheting up the war talk with Iran and N Korea' Do you really believe that ? Who was at the start of the war in Libya ! This fucking whore."
 
Actually we'd be ratcheting up the war talk with Russia over Syria and Ukraine instead. Remember the coup in Ukraine over Occupy-Maidan? That was Victoria Nuland's doing, probably (let me guess) with Madame Former Secretary Clinton's blessing.
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 12:11pm
Good luck Dave.
My problem with ideas such as the carrying capacity of the planet is the impact of that. We could carry much more than 11 billion but what would be the effect? Already with 7.6 billion we have much overcrowding, pollution, destruction of nature and wilderness, congestion on transport and battles for limited resources - oil, water, minerals, logs, etc
I'm concerned with quality of life and that nature should flourish too. We are currently trashing the planet.
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 12:14pm
Jeanne - you're wasting your breath on the likes of Jeffry and John G - they are nothing but abusive trolls. I despise their arrogant belligerence. They pollute intelligent threads with their crude unintelligent invective.
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 12:19pm
Edward - thanks for contributing. Yeah - I don't think he will emerge either. But I'm glad you put your faith in the UN charter. Universal law is there for a reason. It shouldn't be flouted. I am afraid we are going through a very divisive and nasty phase. The right has become very aggressive and full of itself. It thinks you can solve things with bully-boy tactics and threats and even violence. They never seem to learn from history.
I do think we need a universal federation to enforce global issues and solve some of these problems.
Maybe Clinton would have stirred up Russia but the Ukraine seems to have quietened down. I still think she's a safer pair of hands than the sociopathic Trump.
Edward Miessner Added Oct 16, 2017 - 12:28pm
Opher, "The right has become very aggressive and full of itself. It thinks you can solve things with bully-boy tactics and threats and even violence." It's basically a repeat of the 1920s and 30s when the populist right got ahold of Italy, Germany, Spain, Portugal and a handful of other countries as well. And the Nazis were very big in the US and Oswald Mosley was raising a ruckus in your country as well.
 
Well large federations can work well, it's just that they require constant vigilance by the citizenry lest their representatives sell them out to vested interests and you know what happens after that. Besides, the citizenry don't have the time to constantly surveil their representatives so what happens seems to be inevitable. So I don't know what the solution is.
 
RE Clinton, Russian and Ukraine, actually I was replying to Stone-Eater Friedel but I appreciate your opinion! If Putin wasn't on record of endorsing Trump, I'd probably agree with you. Hence all the Russiagate allegations.
George N Romey Added Oct 16, 2017 - 12:59pm
Most people like myself are too busy working incredibly long hours just to survive.  Sure id love to protest, hit the lecture circuit, run for office. But the bilks keep coming and need to be paid.
Most that could are wealthy and are doing quite fine by the system so they see no rreason for wholesalechange. That is the catch 22 of why the system wont get changed unless a critical mass are shovd into permanent unemployment and underclass. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 1:33pm
Edward - I think you are right. It is like the thirties - fascism is rearing it's head again! How many wars does it take?
I agree a federation like that requires many safeguards and constant vigilance. The fears of tyranny and corruption are real. But I still believe it can work and I haven't seen any alternative that could put a stop to the global problems. I put my faith in the UN.
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2017 - 1:35pm
George - sums it up. The young used to have the time and energy to protest. I'm not sure that's true anymore.
John G Added Oct 16, 2017 - 3:52pm
Who gives a shit about the world's carrying capacity you ignorant fool. The damage being done to the environment by our present bloated population is immense.
There is little point in pointing out your absurd illogic to you. Nor is there any point in trying to explain why it is the capitalist trading system rather than human beings doing the damage.
Your mind is closed. Rich people have spoken.
John G Added Oct 16, 2017 - 3:54pm
You stay squatting in the desert with your Muslim friends blaming everything on the West.
On the other thread you claimed I was a pimp in South East Asia.
And you keep claiming you're not an Islamophobe.
LOLz @ you.
John G Added Oct 16, 2017 - 3:59pm
My problem with ideas such as the carrying capacity of the planet is the impact of that. We could carry much more than 11 billion but what would be the effect? 
Clearly you don't understand the concept.
Is there anything about this that you do understand.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 4:44am
John G - if I thought for one minute that you were the font of knowledge on anything you might be worth listening to. Your understanding of most anything is so skewed I'm surprised you can find your own arse.
Let me spell out slowly once again - I think all religion is manmade crap. I think Islam is one of the very worst at this moment in time due to its intolerance and misogyny. But I despise all religions. I have no problem with Muslims in general. I have Muslim friends and am tolerant of anyone who wishes to follow any faith. But I despise and utterly condemn the sects who practice their abhorrent barbaric fundamentalism like Wahhabism and their barbaric beliefs - paedophilia, slavery, FGM.....................
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 5:42am
Yeah that's the standard line from the Clash of Civilisations water carriers promoting western imperial resource wars.
Thanks for clarifying my opinion.
I note that you haven't condemned the British and American regimes, and yourself obviously (you are British and thus complicit by your own logic), for their roles in facilitating torture, slavery, human trafficking, paedophilia, organ trafficking, mass murder, genocide and the continued ethnic cleansing in Palestine, Lebanon and SAyria.
You sir are a monster for not condemning these acts and are therefore guilty of condoning them.
You hideous inhuman beast.
mark henry smith Added Oct 17, 2017 - 11:44am
You're both right. There hasn't been a political organization in the history of the world that hasn't abused its power. That's why people get power, to abuse it. Or maybe that's our problem, that we don't look at power properly, seeing it as something we get, when it's really something we take.
 
Opher, I believe in a God, or something, not sure what to call it because so many terms of praise have become contaminated with power motives. I believe that there is something that cares about what we do here. I don't think humans have the breadth of imagination to understand how that caring gets carried out, and like you, that all religions are human attempts to express a limited understanding of how God cares. There is no "true" religion, but there were many inspired thinkers who inspired followers who then thought about how their inspired leaders thought God cared.
 
The God I believe doesn't need any more power. My God has all of the power a God could want. What my God needs is understanding. That's why I believe we're here, to work on our understanding of God so we can become representatives of the universal bond.
 
Human beings need power to make their voices heard over the din of other screams. The person who owns the presses owns the news.
 
Human beings need power to be able to hear the screams of the afflicted in their midst and feel compelled to ask powerful questions, such as, how was their power really lost? In helping them do I run the risk of losing my mine? Money can be power. Knowledge can be power. Strength can be power. Or not. And why is the question. 
Zachery d Taylor Added Oct 17, 2017 - 12:26pm
Don't count on superman or any other savior; if he existed he would have already done something.
 
What we need is more grassroots education and control from below where there's support for human rights, child rights, banning of land mines, protecting the environment, and much more
wsucram15 Added Oct 17, 2017 - 12:40pm
MHS..isnt that sad? We get power to abuse it.  Speaks volumes for human beings and our culturE.
 
Zachery..You're right. Its there, no one listens.
john guzlowski Added Oct 17, 2017 - 1:29pm
Oct 12, 1492
The Coming of Columbus
 
Everywhere
trees paused
their slow growth
upward, and leaves
stopped unfolding
into the waiting air
 
In the tallest branches
birds leaned
their crooked beaks
into the wind
and hushed
 
while a boy stayed
his axe above the log
he was splitting
and waited
for the smallpox
to settle on his face
like a shaman’s
soft and loving
whisper
______
My poem originally appeared in New Verse News, edited by James Penha.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 3:22pm
John G - ho ho ho. Yes I have a torture chamber under my house. I regularly carry out torturing just to keep my hand in. I'm not only complicit with what my government has done for the past three hundred years - I was actively involved in making all the decisions. In fact I had the casting vote. I was the one who decided to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. I was so vocal that Blair and Bush were persuaded.
But you know - I've never one advocated slavery, paedophilia, misogyny or FGM like you do. That is another category altogether.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 3:27pm
Mark - you're wrong there - try Mujica for size. Jose Mujica certainly didn't abuse his power.
Well I'm glad you can believe in a god who cares - I certainly don't. The whole idea seems absurd to me but everyone to their own.
Fairness is not a weakness. A social democratic system would not take your power away. It would make things not only more fair but more stable as well.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 3:28pm
Zach - I agree that a grassroots education programme is a good idea. The trouble is that it would be too late. The corporate machine is already bulldozing the planet. A huge number of species are already on the brink.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 3:29pm
Jeanne - not all people abuse power.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 3:30pm
John - great poem. What a great gift the Westerners brought with them.
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 6:12pm


Zachery d Taylor Added Oct 17, 2017 - 12:26pm






Don't count on superman or any other savior; if he existed he would have already done something.
 
What we need is more grassroots education and control from below where there's support for human rights, child rights, banning of land mines, protecting the environment, and much more
 
Exactly. This centralised top down power push is music to the ears of the Davos class.
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 6:17pm
Goodwin: I've never one advocated slavery, paedophilia, misogyny or FGM like you do
You've reached rock bottom, old man.
That's what happens when you have 'thinks' instead of arguments.
It is patently obvious that you judge muslims by different standards to yourself.
My assertion was clearly based on your logic. That's why it said "by your logic".
Another failure to make a rational argument by you.
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2017 - 6:47pm
When have you ever made rational argument John? Personal abuse - yes tons. Sniping - yeah loads. Arrogant statements - plenty. Garbage statements - a bundle.
I haven't even begun to trawl the depths. I despise people who support the scum who are carrying out their barbaric practices and you're cheering every bombing, every rape, every torture, kidnap and act of barbarity - because Muslims can do no wrong - even the fundamental scum of ISIS.
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 7:47pm
You're as bad a liar as St George and the libertarian witch. I don't support anything of the sort you lying arsehole.
You can't support your arguments so you resort to the lowest form of ad hominem.
Like a right winger.
George N Romey Added Oct 17, 2017 - 8:13pm
Opher no the young are to busy trying to survive unlike the 60s when their parents could pay for college and a degree meant a good job,
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 8:21pm
Utterly pathetic ad hominem old man.
Your inability to defend your assertions and opinions is the issue.
 
It is my friends being killed and having their countries destroyed by ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Your apologism for western imperialism contributes to their suffering.
John G Added Oct 17, 2017 - 9:48pm
These 'ISIS' head choppers are anything but fundamentalist muslims.
They're committed to Capatagon. Not religion.
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 3:23am
John G - anyone who calls it how they see it is a liar in your book if it doesn't conform to your narrow view of reality.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 3:24am
George - I guess you are right. It is different.
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 4:27am
John G - anyone who calls it how they see it is a liar in your book if it doesn't conform to your narrow view of reality.
Pure projection.
You've proven yourself a cowardly ad hominem merchant the past few days.
You don't give a flying fuck about the people that ISIS and Nusra are killing in the ME.
Sitting amongst your 5000 CDs demanding that the poor use less and restrict their breeding.
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 5:12am
John G - what a total twisting of logic. Your mind is fucked.
I want and do almost the opposite of what you say. You are in a muddle aren't you? Can't you understand what I write?
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 5:24am
You don't give a flying fuck about the people that ISIS and Nusra are killing in the ME.
 
No buddy. It's you in worse than a muddle.
You have no clue of what you stand for. You just follow the establishment and their trendy 'causes'.
You stand for nothing because you know nothing.
How dare you call me a supporter of the takfiris, you disgusting hypocritical fuck knuckle.
I support the fighters of the takfiris.
You fucking don't because you have the spine of a jelly fish.
 
 
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 5:44am
Sorry John I can't hear you - your mouth's too full of shit.
I didn't know you were out there fighting - or was that just bluster and metaphorical shit?
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 5:58am
I've been out there buddy.
You know fucking nothing about the real world.
You gormless spineless jellyfish.
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 5:59am
Your country is bombing in support of ISIS and Nusra you utter clown.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 6:08am
Of course they are John.
Zachery d Taylor Added Oct 18, 2017 - 10:01am
Opher John etal, the Davos oligarchy seems to have indicated their intentions, insane as it seems when they support Post-Apocalypse films created by Hollywood and act to make it come partially true. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 18, 2017 - 11:01am
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 11:53am
Zach - you really believe that?
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 11:54am
Jeffry - dreams do come true.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 11:55am
Jeffry - violence creates hatred and more violence.
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 4:06pm
ZDT. The Ophers of this world just can't believe that white rich westerners could do such a thing.
All the problems are caused by those brown and black savages you see.
Look at his utter confusion over 'ISIS'. His government and ISIS have common cause in Syria but he thinks his military is bombing them.
Total cognitive dissonance.
Liberals today are like the conservatives of the Thatcher/Reagan era.
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 6:37pm
John G - you still whining and moaning? You're a twisting little liar.
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 6:43pm
Show me a single lie I've told, you old cunt. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 18, 2017 - 6:51pm
John G - Look at his utter confusion over 'ISIS'. His government and ISIS have common cause in Syria but he thinks his military is bombing them.
Total cognitive dissonance.
Liberals today are like the conservatives of the Thatcher/Reagan era.
There you go you brainwashed paedophile - two lies in the bit above. You are too stupid to know when you are lying aren't you? You believe all the twisted ideology you're fed and spew it out.
John G Added Oct 18, 2017 - 6:55pm
You've presented no evidence that these are lies.
Nor can you.
The irony is that you've made an allegation of paedophilia with absolutely no reason to make that allegation.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 3:29am
John G - I said that you condone paedophilia, slavery, misogyny and FGM by refusing to condemn it. You take any criticism of the fundamentalist extremists as Islamophobia. You are nuts.
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 3:38am
No, you called me a paedophile, you low life, lying scum.
 
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 3:41am
John G - I said that you condone paedophilia, 
 
2 comments above his denial.
 
There you go you brainwashed paedophile 
 
Any further evidence needed that Opher is a) a moron and b) an absurdly transparent liar?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 19, 2017 - 11:38am
Any further evidence needed 
 
None. 
 
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 12:59pm
John G - it's not me who has consistently failed to condemn paedophilia, slavery, FGM and misogyny - that's you. Only one liar here.
Edward Miessner Added Oct 19, 2017 - 1:51pm
opher "How many wars will it take?", I'm afraid it could take infinite wars or one World War III.
 
"I put my trust in the UN." Right now the US is essentially powerless unless the USA desperately wants some sanctions passed by the Security Council. The General Assembly can pass endless resolutions but they are non-binding.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 4:02pm
Edward - the UN needs overhauling, made democratic and given the task of stopping multinationals, reducing poverty, stopping wars, stopping environmental destruction and protecting nature.
There are too many global issues that nations cannot solve.
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 5:42pm
The non-aligned movement should withdraw from the UN and set up a permanent organisation to replace it.
Only strong, independent, national governments can solve the problems stemming from the centralised power and the dominance that capitalism has gained over the Atlantic Alliance.
 
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:06pm
Governments don't have wallets. 
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:21pm
Governments issue the currency of their states.
They neither have or not have money.
They are the source of money.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:25pm
Colette - interesting idea to sue them. But you need a global court.
My money is still with the UN - overhaul it, democratise it and set it going.
The global issues are too pressing to mess about - war, poverty and environmental catastrophe.
opher goodwin Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:27pm
The economy of a country depends on trade John. They cannot just print money. That is daft. If that was how it worked the printing presses would be going full time in all the impoverished nations.
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:30pm
The economy of a country depends on trade John. They cannot just print money
Oh really? You're going to school me on macroeconomics and state currency system are you?
 
OK, are countries businesses in your mind?
Where does money come from in your mind?
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 7:44pm
 democratise it 
What would that look like?
John G Added Oct 19, 2017 - 9:06pm
Crickets as usual.
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:19am
Somebody has to John. You seem to have a weird view of everything. Your head is like the matrix.
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:19am
Money comes from trade John. The wealth of a country is based on its trade.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:23am
Money comes from trade John. 
How so?
How does a pound or a dollar come into existence from 'trade'?
 The wealth of a country is based on its trade.
Please explain this remarkable statement. 
Countries export to get imports. 
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:26am
Question: 
democratise it 
What would that look like?
 
Opher's 'answer'
Somebody has to John. (Followed by the usual whining/abuse.)
 
And he claims to answer all questions and justify all his ideas and assertions.
 
Classic.
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:26am
What John - you don't understand trade?? Do you really expect me to go into detail on how trade creates wealth? Do you really think a country just prints off money and that's it? I really believe you do. Do you think about the money markets and the international worth of currency?
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:28am
What John - you don't understand trade?? Do you really expect me to go into detail on how trade creates wealth
 
Answer the question. How does trade create a pound or a dollar?
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:19am
Every bit of trade has worth. The currency of a country has a value. The two are related. The money markets set the value. Don't you understand anything?
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:21am
And he claims to answer all questions and justify all his ideas and assertions.
 
Classic.
Who are you addressing with these childish asides? Do you think you have an audience?
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:22am
Answer the question. How does a pound or a dollar get created?
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:43am
Colette - John is just trying to make cheap points. He's not really interested. He's trying to project an image of himself as one who knows and put people down.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:44am
Money has no intrinsic value,
Yes that is (the) one thing you are correct on.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:51am
If every debt in the world were called in, there are not enough tangible goods available to pay it.
We don't pay debts in tangible goods, so you can relax on that front.
For every dollar of debt, there is a dollar of credit.
Government debt is not debt per se.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:53am
Colette - John is just trying to make cheap points. He's not really interested. He's trying to project an image of himself as one who knows and put people down.
Mind your own business and answer the question that I've asked 4 times now.
How is a dollar or a pound created?
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:57am
governments just step in and print yet more money 
Governments don't create money by printing it.
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:03am
John G - a dollar or a pound sterling is a concept. It has value by virtue of what the market is prepared to pay for it. It's value is underwritten by the government and determined by the wealth/economy of the country concerned (based on its trading position). Elementary.
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:04am
Colette - John just wants to score points. The whole concept of money is quite complex so whatever you say he will come in with an angle. It's his snide way of operating.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:05am
Answer the question. How does a dollar or a pound enter existence?
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:06am
I just answered it John.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:09am
John, I am interested to hear what the answer is to this question. From you please
No, Goodwin jumped in, in his usual condescending manner and is trying to school an economist in economics.
He doesn't know the answer but he's trying to bluff his way out of admitting it.
Like the self important buffoon that he is.
 
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:13am
You haven't answered the question in any way. 
How does a pound sterling enter existence?
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:14am
Colette - John just wants to score points. The whole concept of money is quite complex so whatever you say he will come in with an angle. It's his snide way of operating.
This is trolling. Mind your own business and stop avoiding the question.
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:15am
Educate us John.
PS - I'll just remind you, out of politeness, that it is my post. I think I might be entitled to comment on it.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:19am
The government spends currency into existence by marking up private sector bank accounts at the central bank via computer keystroke.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:21am
And it destroys currency (that it has created by spending) by taxation.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:46am
A pound is a credit/liability. It exists in your bank's account at the BofE until you pay tax. Then the account is marked down by keystroke. 
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:49am
The hardest thing about understanding money and government finance for most people is unlearning everything you've been taught.
Because everything you've been taught is BS.
Everything I was taught about macro at uni was nonsense and most of the faulty knew it but had to teach it.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 6:56am
It isn't a theory. It is how the monetary system has operated in most countries since 1973. The Eurozone does not operate the same way.
Ask yourself how a pound can come into existence.
opher goodwin Added Oct 20, 2017 - 8:09am
Colette - John is what we call an abusive absurdist.
mark henry smith Added Oct 20, 2017 - 2:20pm
Charlie Hebdo is superman. It rose from the ashes. Or did it?
Homer Simpson is superman. How the hell did he get a wife like Marge, a daughter like Lisa? Harvey Weinstein is superman, holding the power of silence over pretty, young starlets and all within his staff's contact. How did he keep his hands off of Uma Thurman? That must have taken a supermaniacal effort. Maybe Bill from the Kill Bill series is Harvey made a little sexier by being played by David Caradeen and that's what made the film so viceral?
 
We have our everyday superman, like Sully, doing the same mundane job day-after-day to little notice until mind-boggling acts of split-second heroics are required. We all have our moments if we keep believing in our super powers. Or Linda Lovelace, coming forward with her story, a lesson for all who accept porn, who think it's all about consent when much of the language expresses violent control, but then again, from what I understand, all kinds of people photograph themselves having sex. Is that really porn? Or reality television? Only superman knows for sure. 
 
We all have our little things we do that make our world and the world around us a teeny-tiny bit more super. For me, I cross myself when I pass road kill on my bike and pick up trash when I walk. Have a super day, ya'll!
 
. .
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:05pm
Colette - John is what we call an abusive absurdist.
Still can't admit that you are wrong can you?
Edward Miessner Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:37pm
Opher, "the UN needs overhauling, made democratic and given the task of stopping multinationals, reducing poverty, stopping wars, stopping environmental destruction and protecting nature.
There are too many global issues that nations cannot solve." Well it's up to the nations to give the United Nations that overhaul. But I know one nation in particular that would block it by its veto power or nonparticipation... mine.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:51pm
Opher seems to have no idea of what democracy actually means. He seems to think that ceding power to a centralised authority is democratic.
Edward Miessner Added Oct 20, 2017 - 4:56pm
Come to think of it, John G, I don't think you can have a global authority and not have it become plutocratic in short order. Sorry, opher.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 5:05pm
Opher is a big Bill Gates/eugenics fan.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 7:20pm
TAXES FOR REVENUE ARE OBSOLETE
by Beardsley Ruml, 
Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
 
If we look at the financial history of recent years it is apparent that nations have been able to pay their bills even though their tax revenues fell short of expenses. These countries whose expenses were greater than their receipts from taxes paid their bills by borrowing the necessary money. The borrowing of money, therefore, is an alternative which governments use to supplement the revenues from taxation in order to obtain the necessary means for the payment of their bills.
A government which depends on loans and on the refunding of its loans to get the money it requires for its operations is necessarily dependent on the sources from which the money can be obtained. In the past, if a government persisted in borrowing heavily to cover its expenditures, interest rates would get higher and higher, and greater and greater inducements would have to be offered by the government to the lenders. These governments finally found that the only way they could maintain both their sovereign independence and their solvency was to tax heavily enough to meet a substantial part of their financial needs, and to be prepared ---if placed under undue pressure --- to tax to meet them all.
The necessity for a government to tax in order to maintain both its independence and its solvency is true for state and local governments, but it is not true for a national government. Two changes of the greatest consequence have occurred in the last twenty-five years which have substantially altered the position of the national state with respect to the financing of its current requirements.
The first of these changes is the gaining of vast new experience in the management of central banks.
The second change is the elimination, for domestic purposes, of the convertibility of the currency into gold.

Free of the Money Market
Final freedom from the domestic money market exists for every sovereign national state where there exists an institution which functions in the manner of a modern central bank, and whose currency is not convertible into gold or into some other commodity.
The United States is a national state which has a central banking system, the Federal Reserve System, and whose currency, for domestic purposes, is not convertible into any commodity. It follows that our Federal Government has final freedom from the money market in meeting its financial requirements. Accordingly, the inevitable social and economic consequences of any and all taxes have now become the prime consideration in the imposition of taxes. In general, it may be said that since all taxes have consequences of a social and economic character, the government should look to these consequences in formulating its tax policy. All federal taxes must meet the test of public policy and practical effect. The public purpose which is served should never be obscured in a tax program under the mask of raising revenue.

What Taxes Are Really For
Federal taxes can be made to serve four principal purposes of a social and economic character. These purposes are:
1. As an instrument of fiscal policy to help stabilize the purchasing power of the dollar;
2. To express public policy in the distribution of wealth and of income, as in the case of the progressive income and estate taxes;
3. To express public policy in subsidizing or in penalizing various industries and economic groups;
4. To isolate and assess directly the costs of certain national benefits, such as highways and social security.

In the recent past, we have used our federal tax program consciously for each of these purposes. In serving these purposes, the tax program is a means to an end. The purposes themselves are matters of basic national policy which should be established, in the first instance, independently of any national tax program.
Among the policy questions with which we have to deal are these:

Do we want a dollar with reasonably stable purchasing power over the years?
Do we want greater equality of wealth
George N Romey Added Oct 20, 2017 - 8:59pm
The question is why does our government issue debt? Why not simply print the difference between revenues and expenditures? The pretense that the US government will ever pay a penny of principal is fantasy.  I’m not sure what the consequences would be but the Fed is already buying treasuries not to mention other assets with digitized money. 
 
Between central banks buying securities and HFT there is no more stock market. It’s nothing more than a rigged poker game.
John G Added Oct 20, 2017 - 9:30pm
The question is why does our government issue debt? 
It's a hang over from the gold standard.
It is used as a monetary policy lever i.e. in setting interest rates.
The pretense that the US government will ever pay a penny of principal is fantasy. 
'Repaying' government debt is merely a ledger transfer. It can be done tomorrow with no consequence. Billions of $ in Treasuries are 'repaid' every week.
Why not simply print the difference between revenues and expenditures? 
The government doesn't print money. The deficit is the net amount of currency created by the government in a given period. So it actually does what you are suggesting it should do.
 with digitized money. 
What do you mean by digitised money?
John G Added Oct 21, 2017 - 6:44pm
So John G...are you telling us that just a few key moguls are holding the financial system up? 
No.
Taxation was originally created to raise money for wars.
Was it?
If deficits accumulate, governments borrow and as long as it can service the debt....with increased taxes, then all is well. But if it cannot service its debt, then inflation comes in. 
No.
When a debt really can't be serviced, a country loses its rating (for ability to pay). A typical example is Greece.
Greece is not a currency issuer. No relevance.
Without being abusive to anyone who may not entirely follow your thinking (me), 
Not interested in tone policing.
Edward Miessner Added Oct 22, 2017 - 4:23pm
John G, I'd like to know why the US is different, too, even from what it was in the 1970s. Why it can just keep issuing more and more debt without inflation kicking in like it did in the 1970s.
John G Added Oct 22, 2017 - 5:11pm
The 'debt' is merely the net currency that the government has spent into existence.
 
Edward Miessner Added Oct 23, 2017 - 5:07pm
John G, that's exactly true.
John G Added Oct 23, 2017 - 5:18pm
Right, so it is private and foreign sector financial assets (savings).
So the 'debt' is government liabilities as reserve $ in the banks' Fed accounts moved over to the Treasuries account on the government balance sheet.
When the Treasuries mature, the reverse occurs and the sky doesn't fall.
The elites just use the 'debt' as a scare tactic to misinform the public into believing that they can't have the things that they want government to provide. 
Like health care, education, jobs etc.
mark henry smith Added Oct 24, 2017 - 1:27pm
John G, superhuman effort in your explanation of how currencies, debt, bonds, and central banks keep the economy humming along. Thank God we're still at the receiving end here in the US.
opher goodwin Added Oct 25, 2017 - 10:34am
Edward - I don't agree that a body such as I suggest would necessarily be plutocratic - it depends how it was set up, its remit and what safeguards were in place. If it was properly democratic it could not be vetoed by the US.
opher goodwin Added Oct 25, 2017 - 10:36am
John G - thanks again for totally misrepresenting me. I am totally opposed to both Gates and eugenics thanks. Do you work on the Goebbels theory that if you keep telling untruths sooner or later people will come to believe them? Or is it just your muddled understanding? 
John G Added Oct 25, 2017 - 5:18pm
Gates wants a global population of about 3 billion like you. He also wants a global central governance system like you with a global currency and tax system like you.
How are you opposed to him?
opher goodwin Added Oct 27, 2017 - 7:03pm
John G - I agree with a few things of yours too - it doesn't make me a John G clone.
One of the main ways I'm different to him is that I don't believe in a raging capitalist system - you know - the one that made him a billionaire.
John G Added Oct 28, 2017 - 4:35am
Whatever.
opher goodwin Added Nov 3, 2017 - 5:28am
Whatever indeed.