I mean, I'm not a do-gooder, and I really don't give a shit about "political orientation" anymore, and I'm also not an esoteric, or a Jesus-God freak who cites from stuff he has read or heard. I'm kind of real-time. I just had a discussion on another forum about vegetarians and animal lovers.


I said - ok. I'm not against animals, they're part of nature, and all that is part of it has a "right" (funny word....) to be here. But when I said that I prefer humans to animals the shitstorm started.


HOW DARE YOU !!! Animals are innocent ! We kill them and eat them ! They cannot defend themselves ! You want to eat humans ?




Then I said, listen, the salad can't defend itself too, but you still eat it. THAT'S NOT COMPARABLE ! I was shouted at.


Then I said, ok. Fair enough. I'd like to see you when there's no veggies around to buy, or you have no money to buy or grow them, and you have lots of rats in the kitchen, would you eat them ?


NO !!!!


I bet all those green luxury assholes with a pet at home they feed Sheba or other can food thrice a day would eat their own pet if they'd starve.




People eat cats, dogs, rats, whatever in Africa. The kids shoot flying bats to eat, although one of them weighs a couple of grams only. And I know families who go out at night to steal plantains off the big French plantations just to get some food for the day.


As I wrote on FB:


Are you standing in front of your fridge and cannot decide what to cook for dinner ? Think about people who have no fridge and are happy to eat a bowl of rice a day.


Again: I'm not a do-gooder. But I've got fucking enough of those luxury complaints in our hemisphere.


Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 21, 2017 - 11:26am
Hear hear!
Neil Lock Added Oct 21, 2017 - 11:26am
Nice rant, Stone-Eater. I, too, prefer humans to animals. Including the animals in political power, that are the reason why so many humans are poor.
Stone-Eater Added Oct 21, 2017 - 11:53am
Thanks guys. Had to blow off some aggressions ;-)
Nasty Added Oct 21, 2017 - 12:38pm
Forgive the ignorance of those who have never known want
In desperation people will eat each other
Forgive the self righteous, who judge others who struggle
Ideals only come to those with a full stomach
Stone-Eater Added Oct 21, 2017 - 2:22pm
Ideals only come to those with a full stomach
A very good remark which explains it all, thanks !
Dino Manalis Added Oct 21, 2017 - 4:55pm
People often react to problems emotionally, but fail to deal with them responsibly.
Mark Hunter Added Oct 21, 2017 - 5:12pm
Well said. Although it makes me want a hamburger.
Stone-Eater Added Oct 21, 2017 - 5:28pm
That's ok, as long as you don't buy it in McDonalds or other garbage places but prepare it yourself :-)
Stone-Eater Added Oct 21, 2017 - 5:29pm
What's the connection ?
Mark Hunter Added Oct 21, 2017 - 5:33pm
We'll ... ahem ... my wife prepares it, because she hates food poisoning. Then I wash the dishes.
Stone-Eater Added Oct 21, 2017 - 6:39pm
That's what I thought too when I checked my empty purse today and saw a kid on the road. I thought I have no freezer to keep all that meat so I forgot about it ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Oct 21, 2017 - 8:17pm
I just wrote a comment on another article for fucking 20 minutes, and hit the wrong button - and gone it is. Have a nice weekend. I'm really looking forward to forget Internet and go back to my roots.
Leroy Added Oct 21, 2017 - 9:58pm
As they say, there's a place for all God's creatures--right next to the mash potatoes.
Nasty Added Oct 21, 2017 - 11:07pm
SEF. It was not the button you pushed! I just had a lengthy comment to Bill H. deleted on another post. This site is acting crazy. Log in, Log out, submit comment, not connected error, and partial comment submission.
Autumn has her enemies, and many are capable of corrupting this site. It may be technical problems, or atmospheric conditions, but about 3 months ago, I had to buy additional protection from malware that infected my computer while using WB!
Mark Hunter Added Oct 21, 2017 - 11:40pm
But maybe Stone has a point, about forgetting the internet for awhile. This might be some hacker's way of getting us all to take our time and cook up a nice, juicy steak. I'm getting ready to start my next novel anyway, so I could use the time and the fuel.
Stone-Eater Added Oct 22, 2017 - 6:59am
Stone-Eater Added Oct 22, 2017 - 7:01am
Could be.....although I don't have much malware, and when I log on (not through FB or other cross connection), I stay connected. But it's still strange, true.
Stone-Eater Added Oct 22, 2017 - 7:02am
Ah...a steak. Costs a fortune here. A pound of steak sells for about 20$......
Mark Hunter Added Oct 22, 2017 - 7:55am
Ouch! Maybe vegetables aren't so bad, after all.
Simply Jews Added Oct 22, 2017 - 11:25am
I hope some vegan doesn't get to you anytime soon after reading this, but generally you are right. Hunter-gatherers didn't invest much time in moral implications of eating that bison or this beetroot. 
Should we? 
Stone-Eater Added Oct 22, 2017 - 12:49pm
Not me :-)
Simply Jews Added Oct 22, 2017 - 12:54pm
Yeah, I tend to agree.
Kaushik Venkatasubramaniyan Added Oct 22, 2017 - 4:37pm
Engaging conversation! But, as a hunter would..thank the animal that dies so we can eat. The real enemy is factory farms. Meat is not mean to be "mass produced" 
Stone-Eater Added Oct 22, 2017 - 4:54pm
Hi Kaushik !
Right you are ! But some people "need" meat apparently once a day......
Nasty Added Oct 22, 2017 - 6:52pm
Meat is not mean to be "mass produced" 
Tell that to the Rabbits, Lemmings, Wildebeest, and Indians.
Nasty Added Oct 22, 2017 - 7:05pm
1. Telling other people how to live, what to eat, and what to think, makes more enemies than Bovine Farts.
2. Rats eat more grain in India than people do.
3. If the people would eat the Rats, they would have more grain to go with a McRat burger.
4. Grasshoppers and Crickets are more nutritious than meat or vegetables, easier to farm, and produce less waist than pigs.
Nasty Added Oct 22, 2017 - 7:12pm
God gave man two elongated teeth upper jaw and lower, to rip flesh!
They are called Canine Incisors.
Are Vegans and vegetarians wiser than God? They must think so!
Mircea Negres Added Oct 23, 2017 - 4:37am
Good one, Stone-Eater. Around three or four years ago, I read in my local newspaper that two homeless guys were scrounging for food at a garbage dump. They found some expired cans of fish and ate at least one. Some hours later, one or both of them died from food poisoning, probably salmonella. The drive to survive forces people to do damned near anything in bad situations, and I reckon a lot of those bunny huggers will eat their cats or hamsters if it came down to it, no matter what they say now when their fridges are full...   
Stone-Eater Added Oct 23, 2017 - 5:18am
True. Grasshoppers and crickets have more protein than meat. and algae make up good soups and veggies. In Senegal crickets are eaten like French Fries. They have a nut-like taste, quite good. We sometimes have these swarms coming from up the Sahara who empty the corn and wheat fields, and when you're outside at that time you can catch dozens of them just by standing somewhere ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Oct 23, 2017 - 5:20am
Yep. It's easy to play the do-gooder when the fridge is full.
Kaushik Venkatasubramaniyan Added Oct 23, 2017 - 7:21am
Rats and insects aren't factory farmed so what I said doesn't apply to them. Factory farming is bad for humans' health with the much higher volume of toxic waste it produces compared to free range farming for instance. One unit of plant protein requires 7 times less energy and resources to produce compared to factory farmed meat. 
Eating pests may be ok but we still have to be responsible. For instance in India people create the conditions for rats to breed like they do. They also kill the snakes that eat them because of fear of being bitten. Every one of these actions have a chain reaction but we are too short sighted and focused on instant gratification to see that.
Stone-Eater Added Oct 23, 2017 - 8:17am
For instance in India people create the conditions for rats to breed like they do. They also kill snakes and eat them
Same in Africa. But fish is actually preferred to meat, because it's also cheaper.
opher goodwin Added Oct 23, 2017 - 11:09am
Stone - I'm not sure I do prefer humans. Humans are cruel, thoughtless and unpleasant. You know where you stand with an animal. Besides we are animals. There are 7.6 billion of us and a fast dwindling population of animals. Perhaps we should eat each other? It might solve a heap of problems.
Ian Thorpe Added Oct 23, 2017 - 12:24pm
Good one Stony, I love animals, grilled, fried, roasted etc. When I see people (usually on Facebook it has to be said,) telling the world they prefer animals to humans I think there goes a person who sets their expectations of humans way too high and their expectations of animals way too low.
But I spent most of my early tears in one of England's most rural counties and saw upclose nature being red in tooth and claw.

There's a nature show on BBC TV every year, Springwatch. A few years ago they had a camera in an owl's nest. The season's clutch of eggs had hatched expecpt for one, which we saw was starting to crack as the chick battled to be born. As the young owls craned their necks beaks wide open expecting food the narrator explained that Owls lay their eggs up to two weeks apart so the oldest chick was already starting to sprout feathers as the last egg was hatching.

At last the hatchling struggled out of the shell and stood blinking owlishly. And its eldest sibling, tired of waiting for a regurgitated helping of half digested mouse thought, Mum's late with lunch, WTF I'll eat the new kid. And hungry owlet jumped on the new arrival and necked it down in one.
Can't find a link to the video, BBC seem to have blocked them to protect copyright, here's a still - with a headline referring to another owl cannibalism story from Springwatch. Animals gentle and innocent my arse ...

You might have better luck finding the video clip from outside the UK, try searching "spingwatch young owl swallows sibling"

Edgeucation Newmedia Added Oct 23, 2017 - 8:48pm
Stone, you make some good points here. I often tell my students (who are overwhelmingly poor that most poor families  in America have a roof over their heads and clean, running water, plumbing, heat a TV and for most internet. There are whole families in India, for example who have lived in a sewer pipe for 3 generations. People who get their food and clothing, etc by scouring garbage dumps. Make no mistake, there are homeless people and homeless families here too, far too many but for the most part, the poor here would be considered middle class in other nations. 
TexasLynn Added Oct 23, 2017 - 9:41pm
My thoughts concerning curing animal rights dementia is to place the activist on an island with a dozen poodles.  Come back in a month and pick up… either the former (now enlightened) animal rights activist or the poodles; whichever figured it out first.
All of nature; billions upon billions of animals know this basic fact of life and order of things.  It is scary that such morons exist within our species who can’t comprehend what every animal instinctively knows.
TexasLynn Added Oct 23, 2017 - 10:08pm
On a similar note, this all comes down to the value people put on human life. 
In a study concerning the value of human life a professor (Richard Topolski at George Regents University) tallied the percentage of people who would save "their pet" over a human being.  Almost everyone would choose a sibling or grandma...(yay) but put a human stranger in the mix and 40% choose their pet.  The human being had less than a 50/50 shot at survival since a sizable portion could not decide on either one.
Look, I'm a dog guy.  I live on a large piece of property and own (yes own) five dogs.  I love my dogs.  I wish I could be the man they think I am.  But given the choice to save my dog or a total stranger... I choose the stranger.  Given the choice between my dog or a person I can't stand; someone I loathe... I choose the person.  Why?  Because a human life is infinitely more valuable than that of ANY animal.
"Holocaust on Your Plate" was a campaign by PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) that morally equates the chicken you grill to the Jew killed in WWII.  The idea implies that a human and a chicken are of equal worth... and that in essence is the message of "animal rights".  The absurdity exposes these immoral morons for what they are.
Michael B. Added Oct 23, 2017 - 11:15pm time while first living in Europe, at the end of a certain meal, I looked down on my plate, which was awash in sauce and unchewed meat, and compared it to other plates, which looked like they were licked clean. Years later, while hosting some Asian customers, after lunch, I noticed the same thing. In both cases, I thought, "These people have been through hard times, and they know to appreciate things like good food, or food of any sort, for that matter."
Nasty Added Oct 23, 2017 - 11:25pm
The idea implies that a human and a chicken are of equal worth..
They must have been referring to Democrats.
John G, opher and flying junior are all proof of their argument!
Nasty Added Oct 23, 2017 - 11:25pm
Just havin' fun!
Stone-Eater Added Oct 24, 2017 - 11:33am
Thanks guys. I see, there is still common sense around :-)
Nasty Added Oct 24, 2017 - 3:13pm
I'm no Democrat, you moron.
That's why I listed you with the other two chicken brains! None of have even the common sense of a Democrat, which is zero.
Nasty Added Oct 24, 2017 - 3:28pm
Michael B.
I knew a man from Brazil who experienced such extreme poverty, that he could not see food go in the trash. He would eat rotten black banana's. Nothing was too old or stale for him. Moldy bread, anything. As he spent all his money putting himself thru university, he would eat out of trash cans.
He became well off, with his own business, but his mind never forgot the value of food.
He too would clean his plate. He even ate the peelings of vegetables.
Stone-Eater Added Oct 25, 2017 - 1:29pm
Wow....i know people who grew up in poverty, got a bit wealthy and now trash the rest of the plate....
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Oct 25, 2017 - 9:29pm
People with no lives and no real problems invent both to seem more interesting. 
I have no input on the whole who eats what thing, I'm a proud omnivore. But I will say that eating bats in Africa, NOT a great idea. To say the least. 
Michael B. Added Oct 26, 2017 - 12:03am
Ozzy would whole-heartedly agree!
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Oct 26, 2017 - 6:24pm
Incidentally my comment regarding eating bats being a bad idea is based on the fact that in the past decade or so it has been determined that African bats are the natural reservoir (ie: carrier) of the Ebola virus. Nearly every recent outbreak of Ebola can be traced back to the habit of eating bats. I think we can agree that Ebola is a nasty problem, but not one that is impossible to combat, such as by switching certain habits, eating bats being one of those. 
Stone-Eater Added Oct 27, 2017 - 1:09am
I've tried bats in a sauce with rice. Not too bad and not recognizeable LOL
Stone-Eater Added Oct 27, 2017 - 1:12am
BTW...Ebola might have been a bioweapon. Strange that there was a biolab in Monrovia that was closed down quietly after the outbreak.....Africa has been a testing spot for such stuff ever since. Out of the spotlight.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Oct 27, 2017 - 2:24am
It is possible that Ebola is a bioweapon, at least perhaps the most verilent strain, Ebola Zaire, which has a 86% fatality rate and is highly contagious.
Personally if I were going to develop a killer virus I would stick to something more resilient like Avian Influenzia, which if weaponized... Well remember that the Spanish Flu wiped out a good percentage of the human species. If someone had something like that and a vaccine for their own people it would be a nightmare for everyone else. Plus the flu can survive in climates and extremes that Ebola cannot. Alternatively Rabies has a lethality of approaching 100% (only one person who began to show symptoms ever recovered in world history). People usually think of something exotic but common viruses can be far worse if they get the opportunity. Or a little human help. 
Viruses fascinate me, they are the only things known that die and come back from the dead to kill again, sometimes centuries or longer later. They don't simply hybrernate like water bears can for centuries in extremes, even deep space. Viruses truly die and return to life when a new prey is present. Ghoulish but fascinating. Nothing else in the known universe is like them. Which is probably a good thing. 
Stone-Eater Added Oct 27, 2017 - 6:22am
opher goodwin Added Oct 29, 2017 - 8:36am
Stone/Jenifer - That is the major theme of my book Ebola in the Garden of Eden.
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Oct 31, 2017 - 6:44pm
That sounds quite interesting Opher, is that book already available? 
Lady Sekhmetnakt Added Oct 31, 2017 - 6:48pm
BTW Someone made a movie based on the idea of weaponizing Rabies, it's called Quarantine. There is I believe both a French and English version. Extremely frightening, at least the English language version. I might watch it tonight being that it is Halloween. Possible threats are far more frightening than stuff like vampires and zombies. 
Stone-Eater Added Nov 5, 2017 - 2:35pm
Gotta read that !