Understanding Trump

Like his supporters President Trump is clinging to the past he grew up in rather than embracing the future he's truly living in now. In all fairness he and his base are correct about people trying to erase much of what their ancestors did so who can truly blame them? Isn't part of our contention as minorities that we want our ancestors' contributions known too? That very double standard both sides claim each other perpetuates against them are major yet legitimate sticking points that fuel much of the frustration the uncompromising of both sides feel against each other.

 

I believe the key to understanding President Trump is he's a white version of black President Obama. When we look at their similarities they come out as two of a kind where one's base considered him the great black hope while the other's consider him the great white hope. Both claim their own version of hope and change as they trampled on customs their opposition hold most sacred. Both were new to the national and international political arenas so naturally their inexperience initially cost them dearly as they made tremendous social and political blunders after blunders.

 

I guess everything that's happened with both Presidents shows only too well just how little we truly know about each other. Sure hope we start looking at our similarities rather than our differences because we see how concentrating on the latter sure helps keep us divided.

Comments

Dino Manalis Added Nov 13, 2017 - 3:29pm
That's why Trump should learn from Obama's mistakes and work with the opposition in a bipartisan manner to achieve significant legislation.  Trump ought to make centrist proposals to force legislators to compromise on his agenda.
Mike Haluska Added Nov 13, 2017 - 4:19pm
With all due respect, President Trump is the diametrical opposite of President Obama in almost every way.  President Trump is the quintessential "outsider" while Obama has been involved in politics from day one.  President Trump carries his practical real life experience from the private sector into "the Swamp" while Obama is a "Creature of the Swamp".  Establishment politicians and party big-wigs got along with and supported Obama while the "establishment" of BOTH parties is on a war path to destroy President Trump.  The Mainstream Media coddled, loved, protected and held criticism to an absolute minimum with Obama.  President Trump has had the Mainstream Media on full assault mode against him since the Republican Primary.  The Mainstream Media has lost ALL sense of objectivity ever since he did what no Republican ever had the balls to do - call them out for their bias and refuse to cower to their threats.  
Flying Junior Added Nov 13, 2017 - 4:24pm
I believe the key to understanding President Trump is he's a white version of black President Obama.
 
Nice try.  It take exception to your remarks.  The election of Barack Obama wasn't about the great black hope, although I will grant you Trump is the counterpart.  Obama became a democratic celebrity after the nation heard his keynote in 2004.  Four years in the U.S. Senate means without any experience to you?  The man was a cultural hero and superstar.  Not just to black folks.
 
I would posit that Obama bent over backwards to work with republicans.  The ACA was hammered out with many compromises with key republicans.  In the end they didn't vote for it, but does not take away the bipartisan process that built it.  In contrast, Trump's republican majority in the Senate is engaging in chicanery by introducing the secret healthcare bill the day of the vote and limiting debate to a ridiculously short period of hours.  Trump's deliberate sabotage by cutting off federal reimbursements to insurance companies will only exacerbate inherent problems with the ACA.  Trump doesn't care.  Premiums are going up.  They had been relatively stable.
 
The fact that Trump was elected in a backlash to America's first black president is a national tragedy.  Many people saw it coming.  It is an unfortunate price to pay.
 
The divide is deep.  Keep trying to reach out.  I feel like just about everything Trump does is motivated by hatred.  Did you know that the INS just instituted a new regulation wherein pro bono attorneys working to educate deportation detainees are now banned from giving seminars to help these people deal with their situation.  Under the rule, an attorney cannot offer assistance to detainees unless he or she agrees to take their case.  Obviously this is just a damper.  These people have little or no money.  The lawyers can't afford to take on multiple cases for no fee.  So they are again alone without legal counsel to fall prey to the sharks that "handle" their bail money and community releases.  An ankle bracelet is rented to these unfortunates at nearly $450/month.
 
Pushing coal as an energy source is misguided at best.  It is generally viewed as a cheap political trick to gain support of misplaced miners.  While Obama provided federal funding for job training in as many as 150 new careers, I just read about a guy who decided to sign up for the coal miner class.  Coal is extremely dirty.  Not just when you burn it.  Toxic coal sludge must be stored safely and has leaked into waterways in Tennessee devastating all aquatic life.  It is one the most carbon-intensive polluter.  Where is the emphasis on clean energy?  Why would he pull out of the Paris Accords?  Pure, unadulterated masculine bravado and showmanship.  Just pandering to the climate change deniers and supporters of scorched earth policies.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 13, 2017 - 7:36pm
FJ seem you forgot the Obama statement to the GOP representative and Senators in his office soon after taking office, "ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES." Democrats won this house and both houses of congress.   So ACA was not a compromise with the GOP  and if fact they complained that they were not invited to the major discussions.  Thus Mike this is fake news, "Obama bent over backwards to work with republicans.  The ACA was hammered out with many compromises with key republicans."
 
FJ here you go again making rash statement for the people when in fact your only speaking for Democrats, "The fact that Trump was elected in a backlash to America's first black president is a national tragedy. "  ACA was rejected since in was passed by over 40% of the people on every national pole and reached peaks of 65%.   Obama set a record for not having one quarter with more then 3% growth.  Every president has had at least one.   Obama I expect set a record on not enforcing laws passed by Congress.  He easily set the record on accumulating debt.    The backlash has to do with his performance. 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 13, 2017 - 7:42pm
FJ  I think the people in coal country would disagree with this crap, "Pushing coal as an energy source is misguided at best."   The market will determine the fate of coal.  We already know that coal is a winner in China and India.  So not burning coal in America makes little or no effect.  And by banning mining we can not ship it to China and India.  Make our trade balance worse and have to pay more unemployment and welfare.  Seems to be a poor decision for no effect on world coal burning.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 13, 2017 - 7:49pm
Coal ash is the big problem compared to coal sludge.  If we do not burn one more lump of coal the problem will remain because of the amount of coal already burned.  A small part of the coal ash is used in concrete and other chemical processes.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 13, 2017 - 7:54pm
We pulled our to the Paris accords because first the are voluntary and second to get China and India and other developing nations to sign we did not put and significant restrictions.  So this voluntary agreement applies for less then a third of the worlds population and area.   A political statement that is meaningless. 
 
Second 70 % of the surface is ocean and water is the by far major green house gas.  The Sun determines the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere.  I have not head and credible concept to control the sun emission of radiation.   
Flying Junior Added Nov 13, 2017 - 8:32pm
Well Thomas,  As I recall there were a handful, (two, three?) republican senators who were considering voting for the bill.  Olympia Snowe comes to mind.  I could research what exactly was put in the bill to make it more palatable.  2010 is a ways back.
 
Coal is a winner in India and China?  Carbon emissions have been steady for the past three years, reflecting all of the good effort put out by the world community to establish clean energy.  But this year, world carbon emissions are estimated to be going up 2%.  That's a serious setback.  Ideally we wish to reduce emissions as much as possible.  There are very real consequences.  Clean energy is more profitable to more people than coal.  Building the wind farms, solar panels and heating, electric cars...  It is a burgeoning industry.  And China is way ahead of us.
 
Some day I will find you the video of two guys canoeing through the famous coal sludge spill in a Tennessee river.  If not, the disaster is documented by others.
 
Yes, the interaction of sun and water keeps our beautiful planet regulated.  One interesting measure is the amount of solar energy absorbed by one square meter of ocean.  I don't think anybody wants to get rid of clouds.
 
So the accords didn't have enough teeth?  So just say the hell with it?  I'm with governor Brown as well as other prominent republican governors on this.
 
One thing is for sure, our bloggy host, Papasan Pauly has offended both sides with the comparison.
 
Welcome Papasan.
Flying Junior Added Nov 13, 2017 - 8:40pm
Here is the link I was talking about Thomas.
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2017/06/04/the-paris-agreement-as-trump-pulls-out-governors-jump-in/#2f3fbe295c57
 
The two republican governors signed on to this are from Massachusetts and Connecticut.  I know, RINOs.  The article goes on to say that industries also approve the accords, including Exxon Mobil and Chevron.  They see the opportunities for profitable and useful technologies.
 
Does anyone know how to do hypertext in WB?
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 13, 2017 - 8:45pm
JF.  so what does " But this year, world carbon emissions are estimated to be going up 2%."  have to do with mining coal if we are not burning any more coal?  China will get the coal to burn.
 
the video may be great but what does that have to do with the actual risk?  We need to actually see a cost benefit analysis. and other similar analysis for different types of spills and natural occurrences.    We can find a video going through the damage done by a volcano eruption like mount saint Helen.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 13, 2017 - 8:51pm
JF you can continue talking about Paris accords but I consider that a dead issue and I will not waist my time to keep you happy.
Flying Junior Added Nov 14, 2017 - 12:52am
The reason that carbon emissions are up 2% after three years of a flat quantity is the fact that China and India are burning more coal.
Mike Haluska Added Nov 14, 2017 - 10:30am
Flying JR - your conclusion:
 
"The fact that Trump was elected in a backlash to America's first black president is a national tragedy.  Many people saw it coming.  It is an unfortunate price to pay."
 
is simply parroting racist Van Jones and is wrong.  More Blacks supported President Trump than any other Republican candidate.  Here's what happened - Hillary Clinton is so unpopular even within the Democratic Party she had to "buy" the Democratic Party and then rig the election in her favor against a NON-DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST! 
During the general election she had the full support of the Democrat Party, the establishment Republican Party, the entire Mainstream Media, federal workers, TV news networks, NPR, Hollywood, Network talk show hosts, a weekly "propaganda" TV program ("Madame Secretary"), etc.  She deliberately ignored the Midwest states and flew from one millionaire fundraiser in New York to another millionaire fundraiser in LA and never bothered to land the private jet somewhere in the middle.
 
NO "white backlash" cost Hillary Clinton the election.  Neither did the "Russians", pollsters, Obama, James Comey, Bill Clinton, Fox News, Wikileaks, or any of the Zillion reasons she lists.  She BLEW IT! 
Mike Haluska Added Nov 14, 2017 - 10:35am
Flying Jr - your statement:
 
"Pushing coal as an energy source is misguided at best."
 
is incorrect.  President Trump (and lots of others) are NOT "force feeding" coal as an energy source.  Rather, we are giving ALL energy sources an equal opportunity to compete in the energy market.  We are now essentially ENERGY INDEPENDENT and no longer dependent on the unstable Middle East for energy.  That is a good thing for America. 
George N Romey Added Nov 14, 2017 - 11:37am
I'll give Trump the benefit of the doubt that he wanted to make a difference and rebuild this country.  But clearly this real estate PR guy/reality tv star is no match for the Deep State.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 14, 2017 - 3:34pm
Geo Romey sez: But clearly this real estate PR guy/reality tv star is no match for the Deep State. -Ah, back to Deep State follies, eh?  Another conspiracy theorist (9/11) has shown up here, and you two need to start patiing each other's backs.  I'm sure he'll say, "I agree with you Geo."  The "real estate PR guy/reality tv star" is not a match for the presidency, either...
Jeff Michka Added Nov 14, 2017 - 3:38pm
FJr. sez: Why would he pull out of the Paris Accords?  Pure, unadulterated masculine bravado and showmanship.  Just pandering to the climate change deniers and supporters of scorched earth policies.-It's this sort of thing that stokes fires for members of the WB rightist club.  You've seen the "outcomes" of climate change articles here, haven't you?
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 14, 2017 - 4:50pm
Papasan, welcome to Writerbeat. As often happens in message boards, this one is commenting on comments rather than addressing the original post. I'd like to agree with your assessment that we should be looking at our similarities rather than our differences. At its best, this forum offers a lot of possibilities for actual exchange, but unfortunately we end up with people talking past one another, rather than at each other.
Bill H. Added Nov 14, 2017 - 10:03pm
 
FJ - Just lick on the insert/edit link button, copy the link into the URL text box, then click on the "text to display" box and either leave the link as-is, or delete the link text in that box and entitle it whatever you want, like Understanding the Orange Buffoon. You don't have to enter anything in the "title" box.
Mike Haluska Added Nov 15, 2017 - 10:28am
George - here is why I strongly suspect you're wrong about:
 
"But clearly this real estate PR guy/reality tv star is no match for the Deep State. "
 
The unprecedented hysteria by the Mainstream Media and establishment Democrats and Republicans that has been going on non-stop since President Trump was elected is a clear indication of the following:
 
The establishment Democrats and Republicans and politically appointed "Deep State" employees (the full time "civil servants" that actually run the government on a day to day basis) have been scamming the American people over the past 8 years far more than anytime in our history.  The "Deep State" didn't even bother with their usual practice of covering their tracks due to the possible change coming from the 2016 elections because they had convinced themselves that there was NO WAY Hillary Clinton could lose. 
 
The "Deep State" fully expected to be protected from any inquiry by Hillary Clinton because she was just as "up to her neck" in the corruption as they were.  It wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ had beaten Hillary Clinton - we would have seen the same hysteria from everyone involved.  It just so happens that President Trump isn't the typical milquetoast Republican who runs and hides from the Mainstream Media and loudmouth politicians like Maxine Waters - hence the "fireworks"!  
 
No George - the crooked politicians and "Deep State" overplayed their hand big time and there's fewer places to run and hide every day.  It is a proverbial "House of Cards" that is long overdue to collapse and produce a reckoning for the Clintons, Obamas, Bush's, etc.
Mike Haluska Added Nov 15, 2017 - 10:33am
George - just to help you get the mind-set of the corrupt "Deep State", consider this: 
 
Say you're a crooked employee at XYZ Corporation and you and your boss have been colluding to steal from the company for the past 4 years.  Suddenly your boss has a fatal heart attack and a new boss comes with a "anti-bureaucrat/all business" reputation.  Are you going to help this new boss get acclimated or work behind his back to get him fired???
George N Romey Added Nov 15, 2017 - 10:51am
Name one major piece of legislation Trump has gotten through.  Think of what FDR got through in 100 days versus Trump.  FDR knew what he was dealing with.  These are the people that falsely started two wars, killed a popular President and had a hand in 9/11.  They might have underestimated Trump during the elections but they most certainly have corrected themselves since then. What they really want is their man in, Pence.  The Democrats are too stupid and too corrupt to see what is happening. 
Mike Haluska Added Nov 15, 2017 - 11:17am
George - you're proving my point!  FDR had the advantage of the Great Depression!  Congress abdicated their duty and essentially made FDR a dictator!  The only place to lay blame for NOT PASSING LEGISLATION is the Legislative Branch - NOT the Executive Branch!!!
Mike Haluska Added Nov 15, 2017 - 11:26am
George - why would Pence be any benefit to the Deep State?
George N Romey Added Nov 15, 2017 - 1:49pm
Pence is of the Deep State, unlike Trump that was never invited in. Also wars and failing economies are bad for the Trump business. Pence has no business empire.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 15, 2017 - 4:24pm
Mikey HaHaHaluska sez: George - why would Pence be any benefit to the Deep State-He's a "process" R, and will do what he's told given a cookie or two instead of being given the whole bag like Trump, for just "showing up."And Trumpists claim liberals are all snowflakes and want awards for "just showing up," but the Orange smear needs one for just getting up and tweeting...
Jeff Michka Added Nov 15, 2017 - 4:27pm
AND Ol Geo R sez: The Democrats are too stupid and too corrupt to see what is happening. -Yup, that's it whine and dine Geo...kinda like Ds were responsible for Harvey Weinstein's sexual activities.  Think you better add your first person to that " too stupid and too corrupt."  Suspect (know) you're both.