You've Been Had!

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A bill of goods. That is what this nation has been sold by the person of the current President of the US. We've been deceived, swindled, and taken advantage of by the administration as pledge after pledge has been negated by the actions taken by this President and his henchmen. And yet, his loyal followers hold out their bowls, and plead, "Please, sir, may I have some more?"

 

How have we been deceived? Let's examine a few areas where the actions of the President after inauguration are in complete contradiction to the pledges made during the campaign. First, let's tackle the series of statements he made about the obscene influence of Goldman Sachs upon his opponents in the primary and general election. In January 2016, Donald Trump declared Ted Cruz to be under the control of Goldman Sachs, due to a million dollar loan Cruz had obtained from the bank, but hadn't disclosed on a financial disclosure form. That was followed by Donald Trump declaring that Heidi Cruz, Ted's wife, was also complicit and a creature of Wall Street since she was also employed by Goldman Sachs. This was followed by the general election, where we were treated to the image of Donald Trump berating Hillary Clinton for being paid for speeches to Goldman Sachs prior to her run for the presidency.

 

So, good then. One would imagine that the administration of Donald Trump would be devoid of the evil influence of Goldman Sachs, since it was integral to the efforts to destroy this country's economic might through its globalization efforts. Let's check the record:

 

Steve Bannon - Chief strategist. Former Goldman Sachs banker, left the organization in 1990 as a vice president.

 

Steve Mnuchin - Secretary of the Treasury. Goldman Sachs banker for 17 years, left as Chief Information Officer in 2002 before forming various hedge funds and purchasing IndyMac bank in the wake of the financial crisis of 2008.

 

Gary Cohn - Director of the National Economic Council. Served as Chief Operating Officer for Goldman Sachs from 2006 until his appointment in 2017.

 

We could go on with links with the underlings in the administration who came directly from Goldman Sachs, but this should suffice to show that instead of purging the evil Wall Street influence from the administration, this President has infused fresh banking blood into the halls of government agencies where the levers of power are rigged to favor the wealthy instead of the typical Trump voter. You've Been Had!

 

Ok, then, maybe Donald Trump wasn't able to accomplish his campaign goals of ridding the swamp of its evil banker's mantle. Let's look at another promise of this President, to hire only the best people for positions in his administration.

 

"I’m going to surround myself only with the best and most serious people," he told Robert Costa in a phone interview at the time. "We want top of the line professionals." This quote was from a  Sept. 2016 story in the Washington Post referencing an August 2016 interview. In campaign speech after speech, Trump boasted about knowing the best people and hiring only the best.

 

So how is this pledge working out? Well, splendidly, if your criteria is shortness of time within a position because one or more of these best people just didn't work out. Let's look at a few of the truly inept people that Donald Trump hired, only to busify them (busify - the act of throwing someone under the bus) within a few weeks or months of hiring.

 

Michael Flynn - the poster child for a Trump pick. Even while working on the campaign and after the election, this extreme version of incompetence was working with foreign players to enrich himself. When caught lying to the Vice President, his last lifeline was spent and he had to forfeit his National Security Advisor post

 

Tom Price - Supposedly his prescient knowledge of stock movements in a certain medical device stock had nothing to do with his position in the House as he introduced an act after the stock purchase that would have greatly enriched the company whose stock he had purchased. No, that type of dealing would have been welcome in the company of billionaires and wanna-be billionaires. Tom's fatal flaw was having a predilection for chartered private jets that even the Trump administration could not stomach, after bills for hundreds of thousands of dollars emerged in the press. He was forced to leave his position as head of Health and Human Services.

 

Anthony Scaramucci - Mooch, we barely knew ye. Your tenure as the White House Director of Communications ended before it officially began. Over two weeks before he would have been sworn in, he was forced to not officially become the Director after giving an interview to a New Yorker reporter where he castigated several members of the administration in, shall we say, rather colorful language. One could make the case that he was actually communicating the occupant of the oval office's feelings extremely well, since the targets of his language (Reince Priebus and Steve Bannon) were forced to leave White House employ shortly after the interview. Still, getting fired before you actually began the job represents a new peak in the (in)competence of Trump officials.

 

Sam Clovis - when you have a government agency that is responsible for billions of dollars in scientific research, involving the safety and integrity of the food supply, whom would you choose to lead this technically demanding position? Why, a former radio talk show host and a Doctor of Public Administration who happened to be the co-chairman of Trump's campaign, of course. The fallacy of having a non-scientist appointed to a key scientific post never came to fruition, though. Unfortunately for Sam, he became associated with the self-admitted felon, George Papadopoulos. Sam becomes just another example of the best people that Donald Trump was able to attract.

 

Brett Talley - a name you may not yet be familiar with, but certainly a nominee for this august group of unqualified individuals appointed to government positions by Donald Trump. This individual has been nominated as a Federal judge in the middle district of Alabama, and he has the unique qualifications of never having taken part in a trial, either as a judge, attorney, plaintiff, or defendant. Thus he is a complete tabula rasa, able to perform judicial duties without any preconceived notions. That must be why the American Bar Association gave Brett a rating of Not Qualified to be a judge. But did that matter to Donald Trump? No, especially since Brett's wife is the chief of staff to the White House Counsel. Who needs stinkin' qualifications when you've got the insiders track to the Donald's ear? Just think, he may end up ruling over litigation affecting Roy Moore in the future.

 

Well, that's just a partial listing of those folks who are excellent examples of "the best and most serious people" that Donald Trump pledged to attract to his service. We could give many more examples but space and time limitations prevent this.

 

To those who are Trump supporters, this is only the very first listing of the ways in which you've been had. There are many more examples of where Trump's campaign pledges about helping the forgotten citizens have been turned on their head, and the policies being followed are harming the forgotten citizens, while enriching Trump's true social class, the 0.01% club. This, the first missive in a series of posts about this administration, examines some of the personnel decisions that reflect the abysmal performance of our current President. You've Been Had!

Comments

Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 20, 2017 - 3:12pm
Well done!!!!
 
Seriously, I still can’t figure out why Trumplings thought a billionaire gave/gives a crap about them.  He only knows billionaires.
 
Biggest con job.  Ever.  Congrats to him for pulling it off.
Leroy Added Nov 20, 2017 - 3:41pm
And yet Trump remains more popular that Merkel, May, and Macron.  His numbers are rising with the economy.  Sounds like Trump is going to be your worst nightmare with all the success he is having lately.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 20, 2017 - 4:03pm
Yet he remains the president with the lowest approval rating......ever.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
 
I get it....Trumplings gonna Trump.  It’s understandable, after all, it’s hard to admit being conned.
 
The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.
George N Romey Added Nov 21, 2017 - 10:34am
We were also had by Obama albeit the man can talk a hell a lot better than Trump.  We were had by Bush too. 
Dino Manalis Added Nov 21, 2017 - 11:15am
Trump is learning, he's politically inexperienced and needs advice on everything from proper tweets to policymaking.  He's starting to understand change is difficult and slow and, hopefully, he will understand he shouldn't follow Obama's stubborness and work in a bipartisan manner to achieve greater success.  We should all work together, along with small and large businesses to make America better for all of us!  
Donna Added Nov 21, 2017 - 3:38pm
Good Article..Pres # 45, can go away whenever!!
Jeff Michka Added Nov 21, 2017 - 5:37pm
Jeffrey Kelly notes: I get it....Trumplings gonna Trump.  It’s understandable, after all, it’s hard to admit being conned-Yeah, but the Trumpists are really awed by celebrity...any celebrity they can find.  These same people sit watching "reality television" and believe it's real.  They think, "Trump's wealth" will rub off on them, and tomorrow,  they'll wake up with the same wealth, if "they only believe", the con man's #1 sale point: belief.
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 21, 2017 - 7:56pm
Thanks, all for the comments, even yours Leroy. I did see that relative polling showed the US president ahead of some of the European elected aristocracy.
 
Dino, sometimes you have to cut bait. You are the most opportunistic and sympathetic responder I've met on a comment board. If we only worked better together ... well, sometimes it just doesn't work out.
 
George - agreed. But with the current President, he enjoys rubbing our faces into the offering of feces - that is the defining difference.
 
Donna - good to see you back.
 
Jeffrey and Jeff - you both get my points very well. Thanks for the affirmation.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 21, 2017 - 10:10pm
I'm shocked, shocked I say!!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 22, 2017 - 2:01am
I don't know any single German government that ever put people in power position with qualifications that somehow matched.
We had:
-Taxi driver Joschka Fischer - Foreign Minister
-Medical doctor Ursula v d Leyen - Defence Minister
-School Teacher Sigmar Gabriel - current Foreign Minister
-Lawyer Renate Künast - Minister for Agriculture
-Literature student (never employed) Andrea Nahles - Labor Minister ...
 
For European standards Trumps hirings are amazingly reasonable. I have more problems with Kushner who doesn't appear in the list.
Leroy Added Nov 22, 2017 - 6:48am
O promised us hope and change, but all we got was Bush-lite for president with a proclivity for issuing EOs and playing golf.  I say we were more had with O.  Time will tell with Trump.  So far, much to the chagrin of the #NeverTrumpers, he seems to be having more success than his predecessors.  You don't hear about ISIS anymore.  The Supreme Court is in good shape.  Employment opportunities are the best in a long, long time.  I don't know if the #NeverTrumpers can stand any more success.
Kate Moss Added Nov 22, 2017 - 8:41am
"We?" Please note that about 78% of USA citizens opposed tRUMP and were not and are not deceived.
opher goodwin Added Nov 22, 2017 - 9:12am
EABC - Yep - you've certainly all been conned by a conman. So have we. Brexit was the biggest con going and we were duped.
I think we'll both live to regret it big time.
George N Romey Added Nov 22, 2017 - 9:25am
I would disagree on the employment opportunities. New jobs still consist mostly of low paid service sector often part time. This is why America is pissed off. And that includes the professionals that used to work in the office attached to the factory. Moreover those hundred thousand plus jobs created each month are based upon the birth/death model from the 1990s.
 
Ask yourself this. If the economy was truly soaring why isn’t the Fed aggressively raising interest rates and ending buying of bonds, particularly government treasuries?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 22, 2017 - 9:42am
@Opher:
Brexit was a warning to us all.  
 
@George Romey:
I think the stock market is overheating.  I think investors may get nervous over the uncertainty of what is going on regarding taxes and infrastructure.
 
Just my guess and I’m by no means an expert.
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 22, 2017 - 11:08am
Benjamin - I was not familiar with the pedigree of the German ministers. Have they been successful? Have they been replaced due to incompetence or scandal?
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 22, 2017 - 11:13am
Leroy, we will have to agree to disagree on Obama's legacy. He started out trying to use bipartisanship, even through the process of holding hearings and adopting a Heritage foundation plan as the basis for the Affordable Care Act. When it came time to adopt that act, it was not possible to gain a single Republican vote. As soon as the Republicans won the House in 2010, it basically became impossible to achieve anything through legislative action, since the Republicans refused to participate in the process. Therefore, executive orders were the only vehicle available to him through the remainder of his presidency.  And as shown by Trump, executive actions may be undone by a subsequent executive action.
 
As far as golf is concerned, Obama played far fewer rounds of golf than Trump has in his first year, and Obama didn't stick the US taxpayers with exorbitant expenses for weekend flights to various resorts (yes, I'm aware of the vacation trips that were taken).
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 22, 2017 - 11:20am
George - there are good employment opportunities available, but they are not where the majority of underemployed are found. The underemployed for the most part do not have the IT skills that are more in demand, and are seemingly disinclined to train for the desired skills. Besides, they are not wanting to move to where the jobs are. You have raised the issue of age discrimination, and that is another issue altogether. I am certainly glad that I am no longer in the employment market because of this type of discrimination.
 
Jeffrey - agree on the overheating in the stock market. In some ways, bitcoin is the visible bubble, as it is overheating an order of magnitude faster than the market as a whole.
 
Opher - I think the world is succumbing to a virus of unbridled populism. Let's hope the results are not as damaging as what happened during the 1920's and 1930's.
Leroy Added Nov 22, 2017 - 12:29pm
"Yep - you've certainly all been conned by a conman. So have we. Brexit was the biggest con going and we were duped.
I think we'll both live to regret it big time."
 
Seems like anytime someone doesn't agree with your way, they were duped.  Only you are in the know, I suppose.
Leroy Added Nov 22, 2017 - 12:34pm
"I would disagree on the employment opportunities. New jobs still consist mostly of low paid service sector often part time. This is why America is pissed off. And that includes the professionals that used to work in the office attached to the factory. Moreover those hundred thousand plus jobs created each month are based upon the birth/death model from the 1990s."
 
Christmas bonuses are up 66% this year.  That's not coming from the low-end jobs.  But, you are probably correct that most of the gains are in the low paid service sector.  It is not a bad thing.  As long as it continues, it will work its way up the food chain.  As fewer and fewer workers are available, pay should rise and more opportunities should open up.  With millions addicted to opioids, there is already a shortage of drug-free, reliable workers. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 22, 2017 - 12:55pm
@Even a Broken Clock:
”Opher - I think the world is succumbing to a virus of unbridled populism. Let's hope the results are not as damaging as what happened during the 1920's and 1930's.”
 
The way things are going scares the crap out of me.  When 60,000 white nationalists parade through the streets of Warsaw screaming for the Jews to get out, even though there are really not that many left, the rise of the right in Germany, Austria and Czechoslovakia, the election of Trump, Brexit, all of these things are multiple warning shots that something is not right.  It’s like the lessons learned 70 + years ago, the civil war in Yugoslavia in the 1990’s and the genocide that accompanied it, the Rwandan Genocide, none of that hit home.
 
The sad thing is, I remember in 1990 my friends and I felt optimistic about where the world was going with the end of the Cold War.  Well, the rise of Putin put an end to that, along with the election of the lesser Bush, 9/11 and the Gulf War part II.  I felt optimistic again with the election and re-election of America’s first black president but I didn’t realize what that meant.  It gave rise to the foul sewage bubbling around just under the surface of America, the stench of racism that found purchase with that President and the rise of Islamophobia.
 
Trump’s rise gave full reign to all of that, tapping into anger, frustration and racism.  I give him credit for his honesty but all he’s done is exacerbate all that divisiveness that continues to wrench us apart.
 
I’ve sort of given up on the Baby Boomers and Gen X’er’s.  We screwed this up, it’ll take years to fix, it’ll be up to my children now.  All I can continue to do is vote.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 22, 2017 - 1:37pm
Clock: No, they don't step down due to incompetence or scandal. Take the taxi driver for example, i.e. Joschka Fischer.
 
He is very likely to have been involved in a murder attempt against policeman Jürgen Weber. Weber suffered severe burning and survived only with luck - crippled. He suffered from the related pains until his death.
 
Fischer's car was used in the 70s to transport weapons between members of the socialst terror group Red Army Faction (RAF).
 
During Fischer's time as foreign minister video evidence emerged showing him kicking in the head of a policeman lying on the ground. Fischer admitted that he was the thug.
 
Also during his time as Foreign Minister he was accused of aiding human trafficking for the underage prostitution mafia by issuing working visas to them. (The girls came from Eastern Europe).
 
Needless to say that he did not retire. He left office when Merkel took over. Why should he? The German constitution does not allow the public to exert as much pressure on our politicians as the US constitution does.
 
Fischer is member of the feminist, pacifist Green Party.
 
Other German politicians are also shady as f*ck.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 22, 2017 - 1:57pm
Jeff Kelley: I know you won't respond because I (and Nasty) shut down your beloved Purcell-corpses-crap articles, I still try to make some sense out of your BS.
 
I was not there and did not follow it, but I doubt that 60,000 Polish screamed that Jews should leave. You probably had 59985 sane protesters and the usual 15 idiots that come with high numbers, the latter being highlighted by the biased media. BTW the pussy marches were organised by a Jew murderer and Linda Sarsour.
 
The Czechoslovakia does not exist anymore. The country ceased to exist in 1992. Similar qualified is your comment about Germany and Austria.
 
Your blather about racism is also sh*t. This is seriously stupid. Islamism is a huge problem in the world. Black supremacy is a huge problem at the moment (particularly in South Africa). Socialism is a huge problem (e.g. in North Korea). White racism isn't. Get things into perspective.
 
 
Shane Laing Added Nov 22, 2017 - 2:51pm
Politicians lie, well I never.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 22, 2017 - 3:00pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”Jeff Kelley: I know you won't respond”
 
Of course I’ll respond, Benjamin.
 
“because I”
 
Actually, if memory serves, you ran away like a gutless coward on the Auschwitz article. As for Tom’s other article, I think you ran off from there as well. I’ve posted on both since then but Tom ran away and hasn’t posted in a few days.
 
“(and Nasty)”
 
Nasty is a Trumpling retard. I didn’t bag on him too much because he didn’t do anything to piss me off on that particular article. He gutlessly deleted some of my comments on something he wrote and is too much of a coward to post on anything that I’ve written.
 
“shut down your beloved Purcell-corpses-crap articles,”
 
Only one of Tom’s articles has anything to do about corpses, Benjamin. One is a paen to Normans and the other is a biased look at the treatment of Germans during the collapse of the Nazi Empire from 1944 on. Pay attention, I don’t have time to explain everything to you.
 
“I still try to make some sense out of your BS.”
 
Gee, thanks, chuckles. I breathlessly look forward to you analyzing my comment.
 
(Sarcasm Alert)
“I was not there and did not follow it,”
 
Then maybe you should take some time to do so before commenting. I’ve read multiple articles on it and discussed it on a forum I’m on. That discussion included Europeans who followed it.
 
“but I doubt that 60,000 Polish screamed that Jews should leave.”
 
So, the operative word is “doubt.”
 
Why do I apparently know more antisemitic attitudes in Poland than you do, Benjamin? You understand that such attitudes heated up during the 1920’s and continue to this day, right? That there were pogroms of Jews in Poland right after WW II?
 
“You probably had 59985 sane protesters”
 
Again, the operative word there is “probably.”
Since when are hyped up white nationalists “sane,” Benjamin?
 
“and the usual 15 idiots that come with high numbers, the latter being highlighted by the biased media.”
 
OK. Well, it’s good to know that to this day certain Jews will continue to bury their heads in the sand, thinking that their conservative values will shield them if/when the Nazis come a knockin’.
 
You do realize that your Jewishness is the only thing that matters to these morons, right? That your Right-Wing viewpoints don’t mean shit to them? That they won’t care how you vote or that you think the media is “biased?”
 
“BTW the pussy marches were organised by a Jew murderer and Linda Sarsour.”
 
Um, good for them?
 
“The Czechoslovakia does not exist anymore. The country ceased to exist in 1992. Similar qualified is your comment about Germany and Austria.”
 
OK. Not really an answer. I’m sorta losing interest at this point but I’ll soldier through, after all, you didn’t think I’d answer.
 
“Your blather about racism is also sh*t.”
 
What, racism isn’t a problem?
“This is seriously stupid.”
 
See, that’s why I think this whole thing is going to end bloody.
 
“Islamism is a huge problem in the world.”
 
Of course it is.
 
So, being a racist yourself, what do you think we should do with them?
 
Auschwitz is too moribund to take large numbers but I suppose if we ask nicely enough and give some money for it the Poles can rebuild it. It sits on a rail line so it’s convenient to send Muslims from all over Europe there. You’ll need to give Trump some time but I’m sure we can come to some kind of arrangement.
 
Actually, we can probably just build our own version in the United States. After all, we can build it with good ol’ US of A materials (#MAGA) and put good ol’ Americans (white Americans) back to work by building and operating it here.
 
(Sarcasm Alert)
 
“Black supremacy is a huge problem at the moment (particularly in South Africa).”
 
Uh-huh. Is this the part where you start blathering about White Genocide?
 
“Socialism is a huge problem (e.g. in North Korea).”
 
Yes, because Socialists are climbing all over each other to emulate the North Koreans.
 
“White racism isn't. Get things into perspective.”
 
I have things in perspective. You don’t.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 22, 2017 - 3:02pm
My apologies to you and everyone else, Even a Broken Clock.  That will be the last time I will respond to Benjamin here.  If he wants to continue this conversation he is more than welcome to comment on anything I’ve written and I will engage him there.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 22, 2017 - 3:26pm
Kelley, OMG even Tom is tired of talking you through the graveyards. You need a DVD set of The Monsters as Christmas present. I just hope for Tom that he doesn't take a shower in disgust after you have flooded him with more pictures - he could use Zyklon B (to save his life).
 
if memory serves...
It doesn't.
 
Only one of Tom’s articles has anything to do about corpses, Benjamin. ... I don’t have time to explain everything to you.
They are two.
 
My goodness instead of talking about 'operative words' you could have linked to sources. It is highly unlikely that 60,000 people chanted anti-Semitic slurs. It would be all over the news if without doubt so many people did chant anti-Semitic slurs.
 
OK. Well, it’s good to know that to this day certain Jews will continue to bury their heads in the sand, thinking that their conservative values will shield them if/when the Nazis come a knockin’.
Idiot. That really deserves not more than an insult. Okay, I add something. My last article circled around antisemitism.
 
Um, good for them?
That again is an IQ thing.
 
I can understand that you lose interest after the country that you criticise does not exist...hmmmmm
 
You know. Here is the problem. There is real white genocide in South Africa with about 30 people murdered every day. In neighbouring Rhodisia, there has been an anti-white genocide in the past. And you call it blather.
 
I think this is were the left and the right just can't come together anymore. Helloween costumes are a drama. Conservatives try to put it in perspective. "Hey, little snowflake, just clothes". Conservatives talk about mass murder. Leftists: "Snowflake".
 
Do you think your leftist crap will save your neck when the Islamists knock on your door?
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 22, 2017 - 3:29pm
Rhodisia, now Zimbabwe. I know what countries exist.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 22, 2017 - 3:38pm
Benjamin, I will not derail EABC’s article.  This is between you and me.  If you want to say anymore you can come to something I’ve written and comment.  I will not delete anything you write but I will not force anyone else to deal with this.
BTW, I did not read what you wrote.  I will not comment on it but you can copy and paste it to whatever article of mine you like and we can discuss it there.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 22, 2017 - 3:42pm
Sorry to everyone. My last two comments were written before I reloaded the page and saw that Jeff K is out. After he swore not to respond, it would be really mean to make fun of him only because he calls doomsday on countries that don't exist.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 22, 2017 - 3:54pm
I’m not out, I simply will not respond to Benjamin anymore on this article.  I will not derail it.  If I see something else specifically dealing with this article I will comment then.
Riley Brown Added Nov 22, 2017 - 8:40pm
It may be hard for me to admit, but I'm better off and I think most tax paying Americans are better of now than we were before Trump got elected.
 
Lots more of us have jobs, and the stock market has been great.
 
Then again I'm not trying to get into the country or stay here illegally, and I'm not someone who doesn't want to work but still wants to keep their free Obamacare.  I'm sure those folks think they were better off before Trump.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 22, 2017 - 8:51pm
@ Riley Brown:
”I'm not someone who doesn't want to work but still wants to keep their free Obamacare.”
 
Riley, how many people are currently unemployed and receiving Obamacare? What are the statistics?
wsucram15 Added Nov 23, 2017 - 12:40am
EABC..oooooo  gave me chills reading this, like one of mine.  Great job, good information and some things people might not understand or maybe they do and just dont understand the damage that is being caused.
 
Riley..you really are a bigot.  Seriously, against women even.  You have some kind of issues with hate you need to work out.  Not everyone is trying to take the government for a ride.    Find out first before you run your mouth. Opinion is fine..but you are bashing people that cant defend themselves. Poor taste.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 23, 2017 - 1:30am
Jeanne, I don't see Riley as a bigot. I see an intelligent thoughtful red pilled observer of what IS rather than what it could be with everyone singing kumbaya. That's just me, I could be wrong. 
Leroy Added Nov 23, 2017 - 7:01am
WSU, there are millions here looking for a free ride, including everyone who came here illegally.   We've followed the legal process and it has been expensive and a hassle.  Then there are the illegals who waltz across the border.  One way or the other, they are costing us money to support. 
 
My wife hired a maid to help her a couple of times.  The maid and her husband and at least one child came here illegally.  She has three children, with at least one born in the US.  One is handicapped and requires special services.  She split up with her husband.  She applied for her green card.  She has a work permit, so she is allowed to work here.  She gets free healthcare for all as well as welfare.  She makes decent money but pays no taxes because she works for cash.  I'd say she is getting a free ride at my expense.  Her situation is typical.
George N Romey Added Nov 23, 2017 - 8:24am
I will say this. I live in Miami which has a huge population of illegal immigrants. I’ve been told straight out by social workers illegal immigrants get more benefits than US citizens and are able to obtain them easier. Here in Miami there is a huge rift between immigrants and children of immigrants that have come here legally and those that did not. Some of the most harsh illegal immigration talk I’ve heard has been from the former.
 
I understand most come here not to commit crimes but for a better life. Many I’ve met have been great people but we can’t just have Hillary Clinton open borders.
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 23, 2017 - 9:30am
Jeffrey and Benjamin - thanks for taking your discussion off-line. Probably better to follow up on one of your own posts and the discussion chain associated with it. Thanks for being respectful.
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 23, 2017 - 9:38am
Illegal immigration - that is the topic that riles so many folks up. I will admit that since I am in insular West Virginia, with just about the lowest percentage of either legal or illegal immigrants, this has not affected life here. We find a way to keep things pretty crummy without getting others to come. In fact, there is a large outcry against any kind of refugee resettlement program, even if it is only 50 or 100 refugees in a place that is losing population. Our church was working towards being a sponsoring organization for resettlement,  but that went away with the election results.
 
Working for cash? Looks like that's an argument for getting rid of cash. Now you want to talk about a loss of liberty and freedom, that would be it. One thing I will say about immigrants, and I'd like feedback from those who live in areas with more immigrants. Do immigrants tend to increase the number of small businesses? Landscape contractors, restaurants, manicure places? I'm quite sure you can quote anecdotal evidence against immigrants, what I'm interested in is anecdotal evidence in favor of immigrants.  And we'd all prefer legal immigration, so let's look at the effect of immigration, not necessarily the type.
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 23, 2017 - 9:44am
Jeffrey - your questions " how many people are currently unemployed and receiving Obamacare? What are the statistics? "  Those are key questions. Anyone who is receiving the subsidies is by default working. They aren't receiving free health care insurance, but are paying a portion similarly to what someone pays who has employer-provided health care. (I know you were replying to Riley.
 
Riley - even with those who are receiving the expanded Medicaid, I think you will find that a large fraction of them are also working. You will have some who are not working, and now you are getting into the issue of disability and / or caregiving for those who are disabled and thus cannot maintain a job. Say, someone caring for a spouse or parent with Alzheimers who cannot be left alone.
 
Those who you would describe as the "unworthy" poor who choose to live off of the largesse of government programs are probably less than you think. They do exist. And in many cases they are irredeemable. But the point I think Jeffrey was making is that they are less than you were insinuating.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 23, 2017 - 10:01am
@George Romey
”I’ve been told straight out by social workers illegal immigrants get more benefits than US citizens and are able to obtain them easier.“
 
George, the next time you speak to one of your social workers ask them for me what specific benefits illegals get and how they get them easier than citizens.
 
You see, I am a social worker. I’ve been one for 14 years as of this week. I’ve administered food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, daycare subsidies, I’ve worked Child Protective Services, I’ve supervised groups that did the above and I currently supervise a medical group that provides Medicaid for children in state custody.
 
Basically the way it works is all of these items come under federal law and are administered by the various states. Some states have different rules on how they dispense these benefits but all follow basic federal guidelines. Some benefits are purely funded by the feds, some are “matching funds” from both the state and the feds and some are purely state funded....but all are governed by federal law, policy and guidelines.
 
In all my time I can tell you that I’ve not once, nor have I heard any instance, where an illegal obtained any benefit legally. Now, fraud occurs but that’s not an exclusive purview of illegals. The penalties for fraud are very harsh, regardless of someone’s status. Now, I can tell you in instances where there are mixed families, some legal, some not, where the citizen or citizens in a family do receive a benefit, the most common being food stamps. Now, the non-citizen cannot technically eat food purchased with food stamps...but it’s ridiculous to think that they don’t and enforcement is impossible.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 23, 2017 - 10:12am
@Even A Broken Clock:
”Those who you would describe as the "unworthy" poor who choose to live off of the largesse of government programs are probably less than you think. They do exist. And in many cases they are irredeemable. But the point I think Jeffrey was making is that they are less than you were insinuating.”
 
The majority of welfare recipients are the “working poor.”
Riley Brown Added Nov 23, 2017 - 10:23am
Jeffrey, you asked me "how many people are currently unemployed and receiving Obamacare? What are the statistics?"

ObamaCare is free if you or your family qualifies for Medicaid / CHIP.

I'll let you look up all the qualifying details, but essentially anyone who says their income is low enough and does not receive too much documented income, qualifies.  It's a lot of people and the pro-Obamacare people are quite proud of how many of those are children who previously had to use free clinics.
 
Where I live that includes a ot of people who are here illegally and using other people ID's to get free medical care, enroll their kids in school, work and get drivers licenses that normally only residents of my state are supposed to get.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 23, 2017 - 12:22pm
@ Riley Brown:
”Jeffrey, you asked me "how many people are currently unemployed and receiving Obamacare? What are the statistics?"
ObamaCare is free if you or your family qualifies for Medicaid / CHIP.
I'll let you look up all the qualifying details, but essentially anyone who says their income is low enough and does not receive too much documented income, qualifies.”
 
That’s essentially how every federal program works, Riley. In order to qualify to receive something, be it food stamps (I’m going to refer to food stamps as SNAP, Supplemntal Nutrition Assistance Program, from this point on. That is what food stamps are now called), daycare assistance, whatever, you need to meet guidelines regarding income and household size. There are usually other guidelines attached to specific programs but that’s the first step.

“It's a lot of people and the pro-Obamacare people are quite proud of how many of those are children who previously had to use free clinics.”
 
You are upset that children and poor people no longer have to go to free clinics? That they can see doctors during regular hours instead of being seen whenever the clinic is open or going to the ER?
 
The reality is Riley,that children under the age of 18 qualified pre-ACA for most medical programs as long as their family met certain income and HH limit qualifications
 
“Where I live”
 
Here it comes. No offense, Riley, but I get very wary of generalizations that start “where I live.”
 
“that includes a ot of people who are here illegally and using other people ID's to get free medical care, enroll their kids in school, work and get drivers licenses”
 
What you are describing are crimes. If people you know are committing fraud like what you are describing you should probably report it.
 
“that normally only residents of my state are supposed to get.”
OK.
Look, Riley, fraud happens and is not exclusive among illegals. But, fraud is not as prevalent as what Fox News babbles on and on about.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 23, 2017 - 12:33pm
Riley B SEZ: Lots more of us have jobs, and the stock market has been great.-So you really believe it's all because of Trump?  So does Trump.  He'll confirm it's all Him if you ask.  Changing the whining Millenial image to WB rightist makes you look silly.  You buy into this "fraud" thing, without any real proof other than what Fixed Noise sez about it, as Jeffrey Kelly noted.  Best you can do, and to what end?
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 24, 2017 - 10:54am
What is always surprising to me is how many folks get exorcised over the possibility that some people are living a life of luxury off of government benefits. And all at the expense of us, the ones who are working our tails off and get nothing from the government.
 
Section 8 housing is often held up as an example of this. Last I saw, a maximum of 25% of those who are technically eligible for housing vouchers are actually receiving housing through this program. The program is not funded adequately to provide vouchers to all who are eligible from an income perspective, nor are there enough qualifying rental units available that would willingly participate in the program.
 
Jeffrey, speaking from experience, notes that in his own work experience, the majority of "welfare" recipients are working poor. That was my impression, and I'm glad to hear it from someone on the front lines. Health care has become abominably expensive, and without subsidies from the government or from an employer, no one can handle anything beyond the bare basics on their own unless they are part of the top 1%. So, Riley, I will dispute your assertion that most who qualify for Medicaid and / or CHIP are gaming the system.
George N Romey Added Nov 24, 2017 - 8:25pm
Yes most of the poor are the working poor. No they can’t make it on what they are paid. My info on illegal immigrants in Miami comes directly from case workers in housing, food and medical resources. Most of the case workers are children and grandchildren of immigrants.
 
With the destructive of manufacturing too many are shoved into low pay service jobs.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 24, 2017 - 8:37pm
@George Romey:
”My info on illegal immigrants in Miami comes directly from case workers in housing, food and medical resources.“
 
George, if the illegals in question have children that are citizens then, yes, those citizens do qualify.
 
 
Thomas Napers Added Nov 25, 2017 - 5:25am
“What is always surprising to me is how many folks get exorcised over the possibility that some people are living a life of luxury off of government benefits.”
 
Nobody believes a life on the government dole is a luxurious life.  The issue is that the more generous the handouts the harder it is to entice someone to get out of bed and participate in the rat race.  However, to the extent a life on the take is difficult, the desire to work will be strong.  By way of example, Obamacare makes it that much more unlikely someone will decide to work for a living versus receive more free stuff not to work.  Not to mention its onerous mandates make it that much less likely an employer will desire an employee. 
opher goodwin Added Nov 25, 2017 - 5:29am
I am not sure what sparked this wave of nationalism, isolationism, populism and fascism. I think it is probably a combination of factors that has unsettled the collective psyche of the West.
The loss of faith in politicians who are seen as selfish, corrupt and serving the establishment and not the people.
The fear of terrorism which destabilised and created hysteria.
The fear of mass immigration which conjured up images of being 'swamped' with foreigners.
The fear of Islam with its medieval burqas and fanaticism.
The economic crash created by the selfish greed of the establishment.
Globalisation and automation creating instability in the job market
The dying of old polluting industry.
It all came together in a great wave of panic. When threatened people draw together, circle the wagons and seek black and white solutions. They look for John Wayne to get them out of trouble.
What we got instead was Trump, Brexit, populism, nationalism and fascism. And none of that is going to solve anything.
George N Romey Added Nov 25, 2017 - 7:11am
As the UN and IMF have shown global government no matter how initially good intentions do not work. Too many competing interests and too easily corrupted.
Even A Broken Clock Added Nov 25, 2017 - 11:10am
Opher, I am in violent agreement with your assessment of the global situation. I would add something about having instantaneous communications that enable use all to hunker down in our own thought bubbles.
 
That's one thing I like about this forum, because we do have at least some honest communication across the political divide. Sometimes, especially on non-political posts, we may find agreement with a political opponent.
Bill H. Added Nov 25, 2017 - 3:54pm
EABC - Not sure why I hadn't come across this great article until today.
Excellent and informative for sure!
opher goodwin Added Nov 26, 2017 - 3:02pm
EABC - yes - I do find it refreshing to find people of opposing views who are prepared to share their logic. We can even find common ground.

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