Some NEW Numbers To Make Everyone Happy!


I have not written any articles on here in a minute.  We had a house fire to some degree right before Thanksgiving and we have been living interestingly enough in a Hilton. Its not a Westin, but decent enough for a stint in a hotel and much better than the rooms I stayed in with the band years Anyway, except for a comment here and there, I haven’t even been able to get internet, again which I don’t mind 95% of the time.  But my daughter and son cut all news to our house (not kidding), they have a no politics rule to keep me out of protesting.  With being so busy between houses I don’t have time to just stay online and research, so Ive been out of touch except for texts and people I speak to.


Because of that I have been undecided on what to write about, what its like to watch your life be drug out of a house and either cleaned or thrown in a trash bin (not your choice- btw) for safety, also what its like to live in a suite with two dogs and a cat.   I could write about the stuff I was researching when all of this happened which is about “liberalism”, but its not done yet.   So I thought I would throw so facts up the asses of the Trumpites, some of the numbers they should be happy with finally as they are better.  Now this does not mean that a majority of the COUNTRY likes your guy…or that he would run again or even keep his seat.   But his numbers are coming up from August when they were the lowest of any President ever.  Likewise, his highest approval ever was in February 2017, I thought that also deserved a mention.

                           APP      DIS     NS

Nov 14, 2017         35      58       7

Oct 11, 2017          38      56       5

Sep 27, 2017          36      57       6

Aug 23, 2017         35      59       6

Aug 17, 2017         39      57       4

Aug 02, 2017         33      61       5 Low App

Jun 29, 2017          40      55       5

Jun 07, 2017          34      57       9

May 24, 2017         37      55       7

May 10, 2017         36      58       6

Apr 19, 2017          40      56       4

Apr 04, 2017          35      57       8

Mar 22, 2017         37      56       7

Mar 07, 2017         41      52       7

Feb 22, 2017          38      55       7

Feb 07, 2017          42      51       7 High App

Jan 26, 2017          36      44      19



Now this is one random poll, but there are several that substantiate the fact that A) August was Trumps worst month and that since he went to Asia, his numbers are up a bit, which is a good thing. But B) his approval numbers are still very high along with the “Don’t knows” or “Not Sures”.  


On another question..Do you approve/disapprove of the way Donald Trump is handling his Presidency?

                                           Strng App      SW App      Dis SW     Comp DIS        NS

Nov 14, 2017                          26                   9                 7                51                7


So on this question 51% plus 7% of Americans don’t approve of Trumps Presidency to one degree or another.  While 26% and 9% do approve, big difference in the numbers.


On another note, REPUBLICANS in CONGRESs, are having a VERY difficult time going into a re-election year. Their approval rating is 15% and disapproval rating overall is around 80%, there is a I don’t know factor of around 5%.


The DEMOCRATS on the other hand, have a slightly higher rating.  Now this was before any stories on Democrats came out. So let’s take these numbers for the November 14th date. The approval rating is 29% and the disapproval rating is 63% giving a I don’t know factor of 2%.


But here is the shocker question;


If the election were today, would you want to see the Republican Party or the Democratic Party win control of the United States House of Representatives?”

The answer by random people across the country via telephone (both cell and landline)….

                                                                                                College Degree

                                Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Yes    No


Republican Party     38%    91%     3%    33%   42%    34%    40%   51%

Democratic Party     51      3        95      50      46       57       52     36

DK/NA                      11      6          3       17       13        9        8       13


                     AGE IN YRS..............    WHITE.....

                          18-34  35-49   50-64  65+    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk    Hsp


Republican Party   31%    34%    38%    43%    51%    42%    46%    9%   21%

Democratic Party   59     54       52      47       37       49       43      82     69

DK/NA                     10     12       10      10       12         9       11      10     11



So it looks like Republicans are solid but Democrats slightly more. These numbers though are much like the numbers going into the 2016 race. But I don’t bring this up over Trump and I jest really, this is more over the open seats in the house and the 2018 race. Also the Alabama race and Mr Moore.


I have said previously, I don’t care who the people of Alabama want to run their it into the ground for all I care.  But when it comes to federal monies which I still help fund, I might have something to say about who makes some laws or is allowed to violate them.  The same with ANYONE who abuses children and women.


Oh by the way, Moore's numbers are slipping by as much as 6 points. It is unlikely he will lose though…what a shocker. GOP wants him to pull out which is what he should do for the “party”, if he was a team player, with a set of morals as the GOP states they have, Moore would step down and not think of himself. “Party first”..I believe is how it goes. None of this is helping the numbers and while Trump is slamming the Democratic nominee, you will note he is NOT mentioning Moore.  All of this means a VERY interesting election year full of money, debates with Lots and lots of DRAMA!


They should make a TV show about it! You know the drama around the White House, Congress, press and lobbyists.  I wonder what it would be called?  

Totally unrelated-some OLD crazy NYC stories about the Prez..



Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 26, 2017 - 8:18pm
Per Trump, it’s just more important to get another Republican, who cares if he liked little girls.
wsucram15 Added Nov 26, 2017 - 8:28pm
Ahhh...Jeffrey, read between the lines.  This really isnt about Trump...although he does impact the storyline somewhat. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 26, 2017 - 8:36pm
I believe Trump’s numbers show he is a one-term President.  He benefited to some degree by voter apathy and third-Party votes.  He won’t get those in three years.
I’m not so sure about a “Democratic wave” in 2018, scandals may put a kibbosh on that, along with Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression.  They will lose seats but I don’t know if it will make a big difference.
wsucram15 Added Nov 26, 2017 - 9:12pm
It might be enough...lets see.  Im not overly thrilled about these numbers....
Spartacus Added Nov 26, 2017 - 11:05pm
Hi Jeanne.  Glad you're ok.
"So I thought I would throw so facts up the asses of the Trumpites,"
From the Disney movie, Moana:
Yes it's really me, breathe it in
I know it's a lot, the hair, the bod
When you're staring at a demigod
So what can I say except "You're welcome"
You're welcome, Jeanne.  
Bill H. Added Nov 27, 2017 - 1:11am
As long as the Orange Buffoon remains in office, we will remain the UnUnited States of America. There were many Thanksgiving dinners that went awry due to the anger he has created and seems to enjoy himself.
I hope our next President can mirror JFK and bring us back together.
Sorry to hear about your fire, Jeanne. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:07am
As long as the Orange Buffoon remains in office, we will remain the UnUnited States of America. 
We heard "As long as the Kenyan remains in office, we will remain the UnUnited States of America" for eight years. 
We also heard a lot of gnashing of teeth and admonitions to respect the man from his admirers. 
Evidently the self proclaimed superior ones aren't any different after all. 
I'm shocked! Shocked I say!
opher goodwin Added Nov 27, 2017 - 5:14am
Hi Jeanne - sorry to hear of your troubles. I hope you are all OK and not too much precious stuff was wrecked? Some things are irreplaceable aren't they?
I remember Ringo sitting forlornly on a hill watching his house burn. A reporter stupidly asked him how he felt and he said how do you think I feel? I'm watching my life burn up before my eyes.
From this side of the pond I just wish that the Democrats would get their act together and support a programme and leader that would really represent the people and not the establishment.
I think the Republicans are going to get a drubbing. Trump is a disaster and appears like an arrogant narcissistic clown from over here. His belligerence and incompetence reflects on all who support him. The Democrats will get in on the back of that. I just wish they would do so on the back of great policies and idealism. They won't. Nothing changes.
The establishment wins.
wsucram15 Added Nov 27, 2017 - 8:21am
Ah you know Ill be fine.  I didn't lose my music stuff..or I should say it didn't burn.  BUT..It is so covered in soot (even 2 floors away) that I had to fight with the restore company to ONLY store that stuff.  They are not allowed to touch anything other than pack it.
The restoration company moves so fast, you dont get time to "evaluate" your stuff.  You take the loss and move on, pack it for cleaning or store it w/o cleaning.
I have 4 boxes of drum sticks and the books and the other box of tickets, the few albums I had were packed before I had a chance to stop them.  Then there were hats from Patrick Stump and Tim Armstrong that they tried to throw out and countless other things, (stuff from Slayer, Dropkick Murphys, etc).  Some of the art was difficult and upsetting.
I cant imagine poor Ringo and that feeling in the pit of his stomach.  What he said is correct.
My glass shop (nearest the fire-but not the cause) was destroyed.  I saved the sheet glass $$$$, but not some of the accent glass due to being uncovered or the containers it was in.
My kiln was in the shop so its not damaged. 
I think this is the most damaging thing next to water damage I have ever seen.   Anyway...
wsucram15 Added Nov 27, 2017 - 8:41am
As far as a Dem to support, I was looking at Al Franken...well that is shot to hell.  I like Cory Booker also, but he is still fresh and Repubs have had enough of the black man in office.
I think Booker would do a phenomenal job ,he already does as Senator.   I also like Warren, but men wont let that happen here...too threatening.  I never understood why she didnt run instead of Clinton, I still dont.  Ive worked with her briefly, and still get conference calls on strategy from her.  At the LEAST, she should be the leader of the party.  She is a fireball of energy, a real go getter.
Then there is always Bernie...he is now independent.  I would love to see him on a ticket with one of the above, but that's not going to happen soooo...if he runs, that may be another option.  Hes a tough guy.  Ive worked with him and he is as genuine as he appears to be.
If someone that is not a fireball does not come up from the ranks..I cant vote Democrat in 2020.  I dont want to see this current pattern continue, and I cant help it if people are so short sighted they cant see what has been happening.
But I will always vote for the best candidate, even if its Mickey
wsucram15 Added Nov 27, 2017 - 8:53am
William and BillH..thank you for kind wishes and thoughts.
William..while I am not thrilled with the numbers, dont get so cocky.  Your guy still has a much higher disapproval rating.
Also the Republicans are having a very difficult time while Dems not as much.  hmmmm I wonder why?
In your own party..only 91%  would re-elect Republicans. 3% said they would like to see it go back to Dems and 6% were not sure.  Come on now.
Thats the stuff I look at, along with the breakdowns via voting age.
You cant tell by the margin cutoff but 51% of the country still disapproves of Trump and 7% disapproves somewhat.   Thats not good news.
BUT that is better than August which was at 61% disapproval.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 27, 2017 - 9:21am
Hope you can recover a lot. 
I see the comments about Trump and find very few on issues.  My negative comments on Obama and Trump are about going against their own campaign promises or implied promises and about not enforcing existing laws.   The liberal and anarchist attacks on Trump are outside the box of all previous responses to other presidents.  Outside the box of the law in many cases.  These judges and sanctuary cities are violating the Constitutional and principles built up over the expanse of 45 presidents. 
Judge Roy Moore threat is the fact that he does not follow non-Constitutional laws.  And the result is a national discussion.  He has not threatened the responsibility of government of public safety by not following the local law or judgements of lower courts.
Sanctuary cities and the judges preventing Trumps temporary actions to restrict entry into the nation do threaten public safety, the lives of other people are put at risk.  Actions as shown by crimes not deported or entering the country threaten the principles of life, liberty, and property (ones work and possessions done or gathered in the pursuit of happiness).  The safety of citizens and residents should come before aliens already in the country or wishing to enter.
Safety is the first responsibility of government actions in accordance with first the principles and then the law.  And law that violates the principles is unlawful.   Law of Nature and Natures God (Judaeo Christian source) life, liberty and property and the Bill of Rights Amendments are our principles.  
The GOP party is the result of the public debate over slavery in the years after the formation of the nation.  We are at a point and in the process of having another national discussion.   Is the Constitution out of date and can be thrown on the trash pile or is it as important today as it was the day Washington became the first president?    This is the underlying question driving those numbers.
Dino Manalis Added Nov 27, 2017 - 9:27am
Instead of worrying about polls, we should concentrate on policymaking and getting things done to resolve our numerous problems to improve long-term polls!
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 27, 2017 - 9:28am
The passage of the Constitution was on the prevision that the first Congress draft the Bill of Rights.  Colonies already had their own Bills or Rights and the colony conventions that were made up of elected community representative much like the electoral college presented drafts of the Bill of Right to the first Congress.  Madison to it upon himself to lead the process.  Twelve Amendments were drafted and presented to the Amendment process of Article five of the Constitution.  As we know ten became Amendments.
wsucram15 Added Nov 27, 2017 - 9:38am
Dino..What? these are a pulse of what a variety of people think.  Have you never taken a poll or been polled?
The politicians pay attention to this stuff, in spite of what they might say.  You should as well.
wsucram15 Added Nov 27, 2017 - 9:57am
I think that is an outstanding question and one every US Citizen should be asking. Should we uphold the Constitution as it stands or create a new one?
Under the current political climate, Im going to say..lets stick with the framers intent and have the people vote on any changes. 
This should be amended only to include the people in a situation like this via state vote.    There is some tweaking involved, but nothing anyone in politics should be involved in.
The very first amendment must be to remove money from politics.  Politicians represent the people as the constitution states, not special interests. It has to stop.
wsucram15 Added Nov 27, 2017 - 10:00am
Thomas are you actually saying that comments made about Trump are outside the realm of the law? 
In other words he can sue them?  I hope thats not what you mean, because you would be wrong.
opher goodwin Added Nov 27, 2017 - 10:55am
Jeanne - I'm glad you saved all that Rock memorabilia. Irreplaceable.
wsucram15 Added Nov 27, 2017 - 11:16am
Opher..most of it was protected anyway...but they tried to throw it out.  In one room alone, just my things took 27 medium boxes.  They stored all of that (3 or 4 of those boxes are the music stuff) and will not clean it.  There are 3 boxes of just cds alone, some of which you just cannot buy now. (I always buy odd or weird stuff by artists).  Like my sons baby pics and memorabilia..they would have to kill me to damage my music stuff.  I will be placing it in a different storage facility moving forward since some of that goes on display from time to time.
The rest is stuff from my house or Christmas stuff that I have collected since I was a kid. and electronics all goes to different places.  
Bill H. Added Nov 27, 2017 - 11:18am
Jeanne - I do see Trump desiring to see the system move towards both penalizing those who verbally abuse him, along with manipulating news and information outlets to only report news that favors and does not criticize him. The recent FCC decision regarding media ownership regulations is his first move in this direction.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 27, 2017 - 11:53am
Wsucram15, you left out the end, "The liberal and anarchist attacks on Trump are outside the box of all previous responses to other presidents."  Please present similar lengthy attacks on another president that last from day one to today without stopping.  Obama and other presidents did get criticism on particular statements or action but the event passed.  The legislation that was passed during the first two years are the exception, but then they were effection citizens lives.
The president may not be able to sue because he is a public figure.  The standard for public figures is much higher then for a normal citizen.  The women that accused him have opened them selve to a law suit, but the women will have the ability to obtain evidence by looking through Trump's information, discovery, and this is not something he wants.  
opher goodwin Added Nov 27, 2017 - 1:07pm
Jeanne - I can't believe they would throw any stuff out without your consent. It's madness.
Anyway - you've saved it. That's the important thing. I only have one drumstick but it was Ginger Baker's. I could have had a heap of Keith Moon's and John Bonham's but I wasn't into that then.
wsucram15 Added Nov 27, 2017 - 1:09pm
Thomas..I am afraid we differ on that, specifically Obama sometimes by Trump.  I cant agree with you on that.  The Presidency ON EITHER SIDE, is the place for ALL criticism.  The reason, people believe the media and dont understand how DC works or just how government works period.
Obama was criticized from the Time the PPACA was introduced until the day he left office, his wife was insulted IN PRINT to a degree I have never seen.   In fact, from a Republican Senators office..he was going to hang..FROM DAY ONE.  SO I dont even want to hear that crap.  Now I cant speak to everyone single criticism, except HRC..I think she has been tried and convicted so many times by Republicans in the media, you guys screwed up any actual fair conviction.  Thats on your party.  It really is, I am for any guilty person being held accountable..I dont hold ANY party line.
The President as a very public citizen did try to sue ppl MANY TIMES over his image over many years.  Its a waste of taxpayer money...he is a public figure and unless it causes him damages, he wont win.  Not his perceived damage..damages.   Tort law is very specific. There are 4 components and he has never prevailed or run his mouth and not bothered to sue.   We had to study him (so boring) in labor law and contract law both. He is really not a good person.  Also as you can now see, his word does not mean much.
BillH- You are correct. He is an autocrat, always was, always will be.  He is doing EXACTLY what Putin did during his first year as President.  You just need to read.  They are very similar in that respect. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:49pm
So you are putting Obama and Trump at the same level in the attacks on them?  I can understand what you are saying. And except for audience size that hears that message I totally agree.
Compare that to the commentators and comedians on the major stations attacking Trump. They did not attack Obama.  Fox and radio talk show attacked Obama.  A smaller audience.  Yes Fox has the highers rating but if you combine those stations that supported Obama their audience is much larger and extends to other types of programming like late night TV talk shows.  The audience they reach and the less popular radio liberal talk shows, mostly local, is likely larger then the conservative talk show radio audience.
A lot of politicians are not good people on both sides.  If that was the criteria for getting elected this would be a totally different country.  The liberal owned media now including Fox picked Donald J. Trump since they provided an order of magnitude of TV coverage for free compared to the other candidates combined.  YOU LIBERALS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR HIM TO BE THE GOP CANDIDATE.  So you can call he a bad person and in the same breath we need to say but we picked him.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:55pm
Bill H notes: The recent FCC decision regarding media ownership regulations is his first move in this direction.-First of all, glad nobody got hurt at wsucram15's.  Also glad you saved the music archive.  Early on, our home was flooded, so know what that kind of loss can mean.  I was on the road when it happened, so lost a lot of personal items and memorabilia. Why does this sort of crap always happen around the holidays?  And thanks for the article, but I fear Bill is right.  Trump will attempt to silence any opponents, given a small chance.  The light needs to shine on him and "Family Trump" 24/7/365 and never be given any break.  That requires voices and observation from folks like you, wsucram15. Recovery quickly!
Mike Haluska Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:03pm
Jeanne - how many times will you allow yourself to be sucked into believing the "polls"???  Instead of "opinion polls", look at some verifiable facts:
1) Of the 3100 counties in the US, President Trump won 2,900 of them.  The only places Hillary Clinton won were East and West Coast large municipalities.  Audits are now showing that over 3 million votes in California alone were made by illegal aliens using California issued Drivers Licenses.  The propaganda that Hillary Clinton "won the popular vote" is "Myth".
2)  25 Democratic Senators are up for re-election in 2018 and almost all of them are in Red states that President Trump won.  If the Democrats lose only a handful of these seats the Republicans will have a Super Majority - essentially making President Trump's agenda unstoppable.
3)  The nationwide (Federal, State, Local) participation rate of the Democrats is less than 22%!  2/3 of the governorships and state legislators are Republican.
4) The Democrats have gotten most of their agenda passed by using the Federal Courts and bypassing Congress.  President Trump has already replaced many district and appellate liberal judges and will soon appoint 3 more Supreme Court justices - making the Supreme Court overwhelmingly Constitutional instead of Liberal for 2 generations.
And trying to equate President Trump's CIVIL LAWSUITS vs the blatant CRIMINAL actions of Hillary and Bill Clinton is asinine.  As if that isn't bad enough, now we have all of the sexual improprieties coming out including Bill's close relationship with Mr. Epstein and the "Lolita Express" airplane flights used to smuggle under-age women into the US to be sold into sexual slavery. 
Jeff Michka Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:23pm
Mikey HaHaHaluska sez: Audits are now showing that over 3 million votes in California alone were made by illegal aliens using California issued Drivers Licenses.-Uh huh.  Riiight-ist, Mikey.  Of course you have a cite for this lie.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:24pm
The propaganda that Hillary Clinton "won the popular vote" is "Myth"
Jeff Michka Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:26pm
MIKEY THE jOKE SEZ:The propaganda that Hillary Clinton "won the popular vote" is "Myth".  SO WHERE IS THE FACT MAKING YOUR STATEMENT TRUE, AS OPPOSED TO YOUR TYPICAL LIE?
Bill H. Added Nov 27, 2017 - 5:05pm
Mike, your false statement of "3 million votes in California alone were made by illegal aliens using California issued Drivers Licenses" came from none other than the November 14th edition of InfoWars, and has been mirrored by other ERW websites. It has been found to be false, with absolutely no proof or backup.
Yes, illegal aliens can get a drivers license in the state of California, but they are not allowed to vote unless they are a citizen. Only names of citizens appear on the roster at voting locations. If your name is not on the roster, you will not be allowed to cast a vote.
Once again, please refrain from blasting us with "facts" from totally unreliable sources.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 7:01pm
@Mike Haluska:
” As if that isn't bad enough, now we have all of the sexual improprieties coming out including Bill's close relationship with Mr. Epstein and the "Lolita Express" airplane flights used to smuggle under-age women into the US to be sold into sexual slavery.“
Mike, is that like the pizza parlor thing that almost got people killed?
John Minehan Added Nov 27, 2017 - 7:18pm
My guess is the Dems will be fine if they run someone like Booker: highly qualified; moderate; and  a track-record of success.
If they go Left, they will lose and probably cease to exist as a national party.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 27, 2017 - 9:04pm
Jeffrey Kelly asks:  Mike, is that like the pizza parlor thing that almost got people killed? You probably won't get much of an answer, it's not same place, and can't embarass left leaning folks enough.  Here's what WAPO wrote about Pizzagate:
Michael B. Added Nov 27, 2017 - 11:05pm
Jeanne, sorry to hear about the fire, but like many bad things, they could always be much worse. As you may know, I'm not too into politics (there's already more than enough here, lol), but here's a quote from the great H.L. Mencken (he's from Baltimore, too, lol), which shows there's nothing new:

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
Shane Laing Added Nov 28, 2017 - 2:21am
Hope you are okay Jeanne. There is a bit of good news for all of you over the pond. Looks like you are going to be getting your own royal princess.  That will take a bit of pressure off POTUS. Perhaps she will become head of state lol.
opher goodwin Added Nov 28, 2017 - 3:38am
Jeanne - it seems to me, from over the pond here, that all the criticism heaped on Trump is justified. He is criticised for his lies - making assertions about things that are clearly untrue such as the size of the crowds at his inauguration, his position - and policies - like failing to condemn violence by the far right - his viciousness in attacking anybody who opposes him - his environmental policies which are plain lunacy - his choice of cabinet - many of whom are incompetent extreme nutcases and shouldn't be in office - his tweeting which is intended to attack and deflect - his belligerence which is undiplomatic and counterproductive - and his manner which is self-serving, narcissistic, arrogant and uncouth.
It is very clear that Trump is using the Presidency to further his own empire and wealth at the expense of the American people.
Talk about draining the swamp. He's extending it. Tax cuts for his wealthy buddies being number one on the list.
Shane Laing Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:15am
Diplomacy is not one of his strongest points. He's like an attack dog going at it full tilt without thinking. He needs someone to reign him in.
Mark Hunter Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:50am
Sorry to hear about the fire, hope nobody got hurt. Cleanup and recovery from those can be incredibly time consuming, and painful.
opher goodwin Added Nov 28, 2017 - 5:41am
Shane - he sure does.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 6:26am
ok,,let me get to one comment at a time, 
Opher...GINGER BAKER?  You are holding out on me... of all the sticks in the world (maybe Buddy Rich) that might be the most valuable to me personally.  Wow.  That one would not be in a box.  Actually I have a couple that are not, but def not that one,
Yeah..they go room to room and do what they call "inventory" a value on an item and trash, box for cleaning or just store it.  Because most of those things..ticket stubs, flyers, signed sticks, memorabilia cant go through the cleaning process its dangerous to bring back in the its trash (or money) to them.  Electronics are a waste, (they try but warn you up front), anything like baskets (do you know what those cost?, plastic anything, liquids, drop ceilings are all a waste(they have to come out) some flooring and carpet.  
Mark..yes it is, the house is all torn apart right now- I hope my fish survive,  the aquarium was just too big to move, its a matter of what you can save after it happens.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 6:52am
Obama was attacked, perhaps not as viciously by his own party, but still attacked for various policies, specifically those that bypassed them. On the other hand, he was completely shut down in Washington DC and the first President to be completely disrespected publicly by another branch of the government in ways that before him were completely unacceptable..
Think about it.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 7:07am
Also let me be clear, I did not agree with Obama on several things he did, I questioned him like any other President before him.
However, I did not deem him to be in my judgement, inefficient and to a degree for this country and its laws, dangerous.
Ive written well researched articles on why and the stories I grew up with about him, which are his history.  You can slap a title on someone but that does not make him that thing.  Its a title.   I promise I have given him more of a chance that any republican EVER gave Obama.
George N Romey Added Nov 28, 2017 - 7:11am
Jeanne sorry to hear about the fire. My sense is that most Americans are giving up on our political system. It’s nothing more than rich people dueling it out. In fact I wish they would have actual duels.
opher goodwin Added Nov 28, 2017 - 7:12am
Jeanne - I can't begin to imagine the devastation. We had a chip pan fire and the black oily smoke that created was bad enough.
That stick is sitting right there in my room. It has Ginger Baker printed on it with his signature - specially made for him. He has a rep as a moody guy but he signed my albums and gave me the stick he'd used. Seemed OK to me.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 7:46am
This first story originates from "infowars" and was shared on FB by idiots that believe this crap. I was then carried by Milo to  The New Republican and Feedom on and so forth. I really dont need to go any further with this..but I will.
The "data" to support Alex Jones claim was supposed to have come from a "" and tweets from its founder Gregg Phillips.  His "tweets of November 13th claim the 3 million illegal votes. guy, he did that in 2008 and 2010 as well. Harvard proved him wrong when he tried to go too far with his claims then and this time he has not followed up any further than the claim of 2016.  No data, nothing.
Dems arent going to lose in 2018..if they do Ill leave the US you guys are fucking this country up the ass.
#3..enjoy those numbers while you can, I helped on that in my state but Hogan is highly ineffective, he is toast.
God I hope not..but if so, what can I do, its happened before and the US survived it.
You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Trumps lawsuits which have NOTHING to do with his other activities.  He is a rather large is kind of common knowledge.   I guess you just like a little oil in your oatmeal.  But at the end of the day Mike..they all are.  The only ones who will get out of this unscathed are THEM.  So shut your mouth and listen.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 7:49am
MichaelC- Its an article..not a position, you are very presumptuous.  I actually posted this for everyone..not in support of one position or another and was clear at the beginning of the article.
I had a fire at my house, wasnt done with my article so I posted something else I saw.
Ok with you?
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 7:51am
George..thank you.  As usual you are right.
The problem with that is where its headed and I believe its dangerous to our freedoms.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 7:54am need to encase that stick, man.  Ginger Baker.  You stumped me again.
Oily dirt (soot) everywhere.  Yep.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 8:03am
Michael B..never the least by far, Thanks and not its not the worst thing to ever happen.  No one was hurt so thats the important thing and damage was not total.  Things are just things.  It is amazing though how much those "things" mean when something tries to take them.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2017 - 8:21am
Your exaggerating to think politics is more dirty and that putting down the president is worse now.  Go back to the time of Adams and Jefferson and we have the sedition act and the news papers that were the attack dogs of the parties.  Adam being the first after Washington tried to us the law to stop the criticism he was experiencing.   The Supreme Court created the free for all we have today.  I would think the politics at the time just before the Civil War was when some of the Senate rules came about.  Fights with Canes and weapons occurred in Congress. 
I think impeachment proceeding is just a little worse then the treatment Obama got.  If I add them up correctly three presidents had that pleasure facing them.  One was impeached and one resigned.   Wo is Obama, "first President to be completely disrespected publicly by another branch of the government."
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2017 - 8:25am
Your drinking too much cool aid, " You can slap a title on someone but that does not make him that thing.  Its a title.   I promise I have given him more of a chance that any republican EVER gave Obama."  Your speaking for someone else and you can not read their mind.  So this is just a person drunk on cool aid talking, spin.  Stick with at least something that is more factual.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 28, 2017 - 10:39am
if they do Ill leave the US 
Didn't you and Marilyn whoever the fuck she was pledge to do that if Trump won last November? 
Jeff Michka Added Nov 28, 2017 - 1:25pm
Opher...GINGER BAKER?-Beware of Mr. Baker?  :-)
opher goodwin Added Nov 28, 2017 - 1:48pm
Jeff - I know. I was. but he wasn't.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 3:39pm
I have talked about retiring out of the country with Expat several times prior to and since the election of Trump, irregardless.
No I did not threaten to leave because of him, that was Miley Cyress.  I dont remember if Marilyn did or not.
Remember I went to the inauguration...?
I do think though that the US is in for a major change very soon that most of us will not be able to accept.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 3:47pm
First of all, Trump is not being impeached..should he be? That remains to be seen.  If a person breaks the law, there are penalties.
I dont believe he will pay for anything he has done, not for one second. I also have come to believe the people of the US including yourself are in for a very rude awaking because of him.  But we will have to see if I am right or not..that is opinion.
How would you know what happened in history? Books? Were you alive for the emotion? No you were not.  I think calling the first lady an ape,  in a major publication, is pretty disgusting.  I would say the same for Melania... but that wont happen to her, she is married to a rich white man.
Stone-Eater Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:13pm
Hope you haven't lost your optimism !  Listen to some Foos to live up your spirits. By the way: Did you know that Alice Cooper is a big fan of the Foos ?
Jeff Michka Added Nov 28, 2017 - 5:23pm
opher notes: (Ginger Baker/Beware of) I know. I was. but he wasn't.-Cool, I thought Beware was a good film, but rather hard on GB'S "style" of life.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 28, 2017 - 7:50pm
but that wont happen to her, she is married to a rich white man
No, because she's a beautiful classy woman in very sharp contrast to her predecessor. 
Jeff Michka Added Nov 28, 2017 - 8:45pm
I would say the same for Melania... but that wont happen to her, she is married to a rich white man.-I'm amazed the Trumpists aren't all up in arms over Melanoma...she "talks funny" and is an immigrant...he is married to a rich white man.-And it's easy for her to piss him off, I bet.:-)
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 10:15pm
Jeffry..I am not going to differ with you on the word "classy".
However, Michele Obama is one of 4 of educated first ladies that have ever been in the white house with a graduate degree obtained from Harvard.  Prior to that she attended Yale and graduated cum lade.  Mrs Trump not being in that league or any league attained by other first ladies.
The fact Mrs Obama does not meet "your " standards of grace and beauty doesn't surprise me at all.  But she is very graceful and very beautiful.   "classy" is a word you use for a babe you picked up in a bar.
wsucram15 Added Nov 28, 2017 - 10:27pm I didnt lose my optimism.  Its been difficult though. I cant decorate for Christmas and LOL..hahahahaha, I dont even know if I can use any of that stuff again.
Yeah..its an acceptance thing I think.  It comes in waves. The irreplaceable stuff like that I had was all in tubs or sealed boxes, some in a safe (I swear). 
No I did not know Alice listened to the Foos..but really in thinking about it why wouldnt he?  I think I want an old fashioned stereo.. I have not had one in so long.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2017 - 10:27pm
Today the Democrats have again started the 'impeach 45' campaign.  This is what Fortune contributor tells us (Donald Brand is a professor of political science at the College of the Holy Cross.)
target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Gerald Ford famously noted in reference to efforts to impeach Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas in 1970, “an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.”
Pelosi understands that impeachment at this point would be political overreach, which could damage Democratic electoral prospects in the 2018 election. She remembers all too well the electoral losses Republicans suffered in 1998 when they impeached Bill Clinton, rather than settle for the more limited censure option. However, Pelosi’s opposition to impeachment is purely political, and she could easily become a proponent if the political winds shift.
Nevertheless, there are limits to the patience of Trump voters. They chose a political outsider knowing that a political novice would make rookie mistakes that a seasoned politician would avoid. That trade off seemed acceptable for those who wanted radical change in Washington. But the expectation was that Trump would be a quick study, and that rookie mistakes would give way to competent presidential leadership.
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2017 - 10:35pm
Jeanne, (it appears that is your name) I am presenting historical fact about the politics during the early years of America.  And a fight broke out in congress and a cane was used to  beat another congressman.   
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 28, 2017 - 11:20pm
Liberals never mention that their party, Democrat goes  back to Thomas Jefferson that was a slave owner and by today's standard raped at least one slave.   His slaves were sold to help pay his debt.
Thomas Jefferson as the leader of the Democratic party opened the Louisiana purchase to slavery.  He did not follow the principle of the Northwest Ordinance passed before the Constitution.  It did not allow slavery in 5 states.  the majority of the Louisiana purchase is at latitudes at or above this earlier bill.
All the government leaders of the Confederacy were members of the Democratic Party. And the flash point occurred in the Louisiana Purchase territory, ~Nebraska Compromise.
Wilson segregated the federal government and army.  In 1920 New York Democratic Convention the KKK was well represented and even marched outside and were visible in the hall.  It was titled the Clam Bake.
FDR continued the army segregation.  The housing administration created by FDR segregated neighborhoods  that ended about 30 years later in the 1960s  by then black ghettos we have today and concentration of welfare were well established.  Further FDR's policy fund the construction of the suburbs had rules not to sell to blacks. And finally FDR started the major welfare programs to break up the poor families, AID TO DEPENDENT CHILDREN. 
The Democratic Party were the governors and a majority of the  local governments that defended segregation in the 50s and 60s.  To fill the gap lost by ending segregation the borders were open to alien immigration that continues today.  Both agriculture union leaders and Democratic Congress men went to the border to tell voters we need secure borders and end alien immigrants crossings in the late 50s.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 28, 2017 - 11:23pm
The fact Mrs Obama does not meet "your " standards of grace and beauty doesn't surprise me at all
Thanks Jeanne. If they aren't Asian and tiny I don't find them attractive that is true. 
Suggesting Michael Obama is beautiful is simply hilarious. That it has a first class education is undeniable but that constant look of distaste on it's mug is anything but beautiful. 
I'm glad it's out of the WH and a beautiful woman has replaced it. 
Que the hate in 3...2...1...
wsucram15 Added Nov 29, 2017 - 8:08am
Jeffry..enough said. I know how you think, particularly when it comes to women.
Also I wasnt suggesting. She is very beautiful. I would not say she is glamorous, but beautiful.  If you saw a look of distaste, it was for how biased she and her husband were treated while in Washington, DC.
You left the US, she had to wallow in the hate of some people for 8 years, like yourself.  Im sure she is disgusted with the apathy and ignorance of a percentage of Americans. are now going too far.  If thats my name? WTF
My name is what I tell you it is...period.  Who the hell are you to demand or condescend to me?    But my name has always been the same...I DECIDED (you know its a thing you are allowed to do -make a choice) NOT to use my own name online anymore and go back to using my online name as I have since 05.  How do I know your name is what you say it is?   Are you kidding me now?
Also, while registered as a democrat, which was done for state races in my state of which I am very involved,- (you know primaries in a good ol boy, BLUE state) I dont vote on a party line.  I dont believe in doing that.  In fact, I have never done that.  If I want to vote for mickey mouse because he is the best candidate, I will write him in.  I promise I have worked more Republican candidates campaigns than you ever will.  HOWEVER....I also have had very good experiences with Democratic candidates.
 I am more liberal than some and less liberal than others.  Many of my friends are Republicans and they give me shit all the time, but  on some issues, they are more liberal than I am.  Dont presume anything with me, you would be most likely mistaken. 
Also whats with the history lesson...? I dont agree with most of what you have said.  As far as Democratic values, I dont always agree with them, specifically now. But I really dont like Republican values now either.  SO your point would be?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Nov 29, 2017 - 8:48am
wallow in the hate of some people for 8 years, like yourself.  
Let's be clear here, I don't nor ever have hated the Obamas. I simply can't muster the energy for anything beyond disgust with them or the current occupant. Same with all of them since and including LBJ. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Nov 29, 2017 - 10:05am
Simply other WB members are not using your WB call letters but a name and they do it often.  IS THAT YOUR NAME OR NOT?  Your call letters are a pain to use. 
I get tired of Trump is always wrong and any thing he does is wrong.  The fact that he breaths is wrong.  Anyone that works for him is wrong.  And one that voted for him is wrong.  He is pretender.  He became president by a illegally.  "impeach 45."
I am also tired of hearing Obama is a messenger from God, but Liberals reject God, a messenger from where ever.  He has done no wrong.  Anyone that worked for him does no wrong.  No one should question Obama.  He will go down as the best president in history.  Obama transformed America.  The economy actually improved from the mess he was given. 
The Democratic party should return to power because the Republicans are evil, and Trump is a great icon of why.  Why the history? The transformation that Obama talks about has been the corner stone of the Democratic party since it's conception.  That is the reason the history of the Democratic party needs to told.
The transformation of Obama is the same transformation that the Democratic party wanted in Thomas Jefferson's administration.  The crown jewel of that transformation was the Louisiana Purchase.  And the two most important historical results of that purchase: double of the territory of the nation and opening up thus 2/3 of the nation to slavery.  Simple fact that can not be disputed, (wsucram15).  The dispute over expanding slavery into the Louisiana Purchase lead by the Democratic Party, the Supreme Court Judges it put on the bench, and the complicit support of the crony capitalist led Whig Party (like today's leadership wing of the Republican Party).  This lead to the formation by conservatives which meant abolitionist in those days Republican party, Lincoln as president, and the Civil War.
Democratic transformation efforts didn't end with the Civil War (wsucram15)  KKK became the first of a few thug arms of the party.  Segregation replaced slavery to achieve the goal.  Welfare and ghettos became the invisible chains.  And when the myth after WWII could no longer be maintained and the surfs rose up, the Democratic transformation again changed.  Illegal immigration flood was born.  They could no longer limit voting rights so they flooded voting booths with welfare purchased votes.  National health care was on FDR's 1944 state of the Union list of needed components of the transformation called the second bill of rights. 
The Bill of Rights were amendments to the Constitution.  But FDR and the Democratic party had no plans to amend the Constitution they wanted to overthrown it, Wilson's stretchable Constitution and today's 'living Constitution'.   Obama's thought he would complete the transformation with National Health Care the only item on FDR's list not in place.  The overthrow of the Constitution and effect circular filing of the founders creation would be complete.  
The reason for the anger is the failure to complete the transformation that was put in Hillary's hand.  Ripped from her grasp at the last moment.  Trump ironically was the choice of Hillary and the media to be her opponent.  They gave him an order of magnitude of free media exposure during the GOP primary and succeeded to eliminate much better candidates.   Trump is the most flawed candidate on that stage and daily we see those flaws but even with many flaws he was the chosen over the Flawed Hillary.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 29, 2017 - 10:51am
Tommy Sutrino, decayed subatomic particle wants to be a big deal so attacks wsucram15's handle.- IS THAT YOUR NAME OR NOT?  Your call letters are a pain to use.-And you are a factless pain in the backend, only a few hold that against you. Rave on, Sutrino.  Perhaps you'll finally be able to put your spectre of FDR to rest.  He's hiding in trees.
wsucram15 Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:35pm
I care if you dont like my "call letters" or their placement on a keyboard.  I didnt create them for you and I dont write for you.  They are of significance to ME.
wsucram takes 2 seconds to type, only two of the letters being typed by the right hand.  You do know how to type...?
Also you can rave ALL DAY LONG about Clinton. ALL DAY...I did not vote for her, although I will say she was much better prepared for the Presidency than Trump.  However both have proven to be equally culpable.  Either way..I dont care...both are a problem. 
I am sorry you cant wrap your head around the democrat/republican thing and my lack of interest in the two party system which at this point has literally lost control of their own bases.  I have always disagreed with being pigeonholed into one candidate per party and especially if that candidate has to be blue or red.   I like all colors and the freedom of choice.  My concern is that we are running into dangerous ground here.  Not over red or blue but actual types of governance.  I just dont care about who strong armed who 50 years ago.  OK?
You know very little about Trump.  But Im not going to argue him with you either.  Ive been around enough of his crap, had to research his complete lack of decency and morals for years.  In business, as an employer, contractor, his associations which have gotten him into some of his legal woes and unfortunately he is a great case study in law because of the unique defenses he comes up with. (PS -he settles or loses)  Did you know he ran tax evasions scams (like other wealthy NY elites) from Jewelry stores?  Yeah he got busted..check into that.  I just dont like him, not at all.  In any area.  I have tried in spite of....
Thomas you are the only one trying to argue a point...Im not arguing with you.
I respectfully disagree.
opher goodwin Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:23pm
Jeff - it showed he had a bit of a temper.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 29, 2017 - 5:00pm
it showed he had a bit of a temper-Name an artist that doesn't have some temper.  How it comes out is where that is at.  Baker had his "ways." LOL
opher goodwin Added Nov 29, 2017 - 6:16pm
Jeff - he certainly did. Ginger and Jack's feuds are legendary though. Perhaps they needed that to keep their edge? It broke up one of the best bands ever though - far too soon.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 29, 2017 - 6:26pm
I witnessed one of those backstage at a Cream gig in Seattle in late 60s.  Baker threw stuff everywhere, including at Jack Bruce.  Hit him, too.  On stage, pros; off, just band members.:-) Ah, being a fly on the wall as a stagehand has always been fun.
Thomas Napers Added Nov 30, 2017 - 3:09am
If Moore is innocent, as he claims to be, there is no reason to step down.  I have a very hard time believing these women in light of the date in which they decided to make their charges public.  It stinks of dirty politics and I refuse to convict a man without actual evidence of any wrongdoing. 
“So I thought I would throw so facts up the asses of the Trumpites, some of the numbers they should be happy with finally as they are better.”
By now a card-carrying Democrat like you should realize that’s it’s not wise to insult middle-America. It’s how elections are lost. 
Stone-Eater Added Nov 30, 2017 - 7:23am
Funny thread this one. Politics and music on the same. Maybe politicians should listen more to the message of music.
opher goodwin Added Nov 30, 2017 - 2:37pm
Jeff - that sounds fascinating. I bet you've got a few tales to tell. You're a bit of a dark horse.
opher goodwin Added Nov 30, 2017 - 2:39pm
Politics and music go together in my world Stone. I like political music. That's why Dylan, Harper and the sixties was so important to me. The music was radical, revolutionary and meant something.
Jeff Michka Added Nov 30, 2017 - 6:00pm
opher sez: Jeff - that sounds fascinating. I bet you've got a few tales to tell. You're a bit of a dark horse. -It was entertainment and a good paycheck for a union stagehand. Always something of interest to spice it up.AND Politics and music go together in my world Stone. I like political music-Yup.  Someone else mentioned Woody Guthrie's guitar: "This machine kills fascists." As a good guitar should.:-)
wsucram15 Added Dec 1, 2017 - 1:06pm
Holy Hell- a conviction of Roy Moore?....  WE ARE NOT IN A COURT OF LAW, what can he be convicted of, poor media presence, holding a pistol like a girl in a public forum?  Just bad form.
Don't talk as if you don't understand this. If this were the Clinton's, you would have convicted them 5 times over based on media evidence and are a card carrying Republican yes? 
Again..I do not vote Democrat unless that is the best candidate, so please don't twist my words as you are so poorly trying to do.
I am a middle class American and have been since I hit around 30.  Prior to that, I had some help from the family in a stipend every month. So you can take that upper class crap and walk right on down the street with that. 
Ive never cared who I pissed off..
Shane Laing Added Dec 1, 2017 - 3:29pm
Opher. I think the reason you got one of Ginger Bakers sticks is because you were part of the in crowd. From earlier discussions I can see you were hanging around the musical gods. Not that I am at all jealous. That's not true I am insanely jealous!!!!
Jeff Michka Added Dec 1, 2017 - 3:51pm
wsucram15 notes: If this were the Clinton's, you would have convicted them 5 times over based on media evidence and are a card carrying Republican yes?-If it were the Clintons, they'd be jailed before any trial, and the WB rightists would be gutting themselves salavating over them in jail.  Calling it "the new day in making America great."  Now others can chant "Lock him up! Lock him up!"
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 1, 2017 - 8:59pm
Bill Clinton's DNA from sperm is no a dress of an intern in the White House.    Added to this is a rape charge earlier in his political life as a DA,  with political power.
Roy Moore was assistant DA when these accusations occurred.   However no additional accusation has been made in about 40 years.  Very strange for a pervert.    All the people identified today have a long history of perversion up to today.  
Next the claim that he staked the mall has been debunked.  
And more then two weeks have passed since Roy Moore said signature in accuser Beverly Young Nelson’s yearbook is a forgery.  Gloria Allred has not wanted to provide the documentation to verify the signature.  "A lawyer for Alabama Senate GOP nominee Roy Moore on Wednesday Nov. 15th suggested a yearbook signature presented by a woman accusing  Moore of sexual assault could be fake. . . . We demand you immediately release the yearbook to a neutral custodian so our expert can look at the actual document, release the yearbook so we can determine is it genuine or is it a fraud,"
Clinton and Moore are totally different.  The only reason Gloria Allred has not released the book is because she believes it is likely a forgery.
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 1, 2017 - 9:00pm
Bill Clinton's DNA from sperm is on a dress of an intern in the White House.
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 12:42pm
Do you know what I say to that TS...Lock him up.right alongside the Prez...LOCK THEM UP!!!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:52pm
But not that monster Allred? Really Jeannie?
wsucram15 Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:14am
You know Jeffry..Im tired of politics. at this point, they all need a time out.
Thomas Sutrina Added Dec 4, 2017 - 3:05pm
Jeffry, Gloria Allred showed that she is a hack attorney.  She has had enough experience to know clients do lie.  She either did not verify the year book or didn't care that it was a forgery.  Facts are important and not providing the year book for examination by independent experts for now about three weeks.

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