Who is Anti-Christ

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“If you don’t believe in the son, you don’t have the father,” is the message in the Bible. “Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? The (biblical) answer is; the anti-Christ.

 

The term ‘anti-Christ’ has been applied irresponsibly and illogically for decades at least. Napoleon, Stalin, Hitler, Hussein, Milosevich, and so many others have been tagged with the same label: the anti-Christ. Mostly non-devout, non-religious blather mouths use such terms so loosely in social and mainstream medias, and it’s been trendy to compare the far left’s political foes to Hitler. We’ve seen it too many times and if you’re a proponent of truth and sanity, you’re tired of it.

 

Why this distraction – “he is the devil, he’s the devil” and, “he was the devil and he’s going to be the devil!” Could it possibly be the devil himself, using smoke and mirrors to deceive the masses? If all of these world leaders were the anti-Christ, well which is which and who is worse and were they all possessed by Satan himself?

 

Let’s get back to the biblical question. “Who is a liar, but he who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? Was there a renunciation of Jesus Christ in the nation of Germany before or during WWII, by Hitler or Stalin?   Did Milosevich or Hussein deny Christ? Well, who did and who does deny Jesus Christ?

 

The socially awkward answer to the anti-Christ question is; he who denies that Jesus is the Messiah is the anti-Christ. After that the debate gets deeply theological, philosophical and interpretively scriptural, not to mention dangerous to varying degrees. However, who denies Jesus? Jews.

 

Jesus wanted to save Jews, even the ones who crucified him. Jews can still be saved by accepting Jesus as the Christ. Jews that have been raised since birth to deny Christ, in my interpretation will not be eternally damned unless their souls, intentions and deeds are evil and not for being born Jewish.

 

I don’t hate Jews and I don’t know anyone that does by race or faith. But like so many good-intentioned folks, I loathe lies and deception. The fact is, the anti-Christ game has been played by Jews that operate within mainstream media/Hollywood and educational curriculums since at least the early 1980s. Nostradamus predicted the first two anti-Christs (Napoleon and Hitler) and the third should arrive at any moment, right? - This is more or less the television consensus for popular American culture and it’s surreal.

 

From now on, when you hear or read the term ‘anti-Christ’, if you don’t already recall the biblical version, think of it going forward as such. It's not a demonized world leader or a politician you might disagree with.  He who denies that Jesus is the Christ, is the anti-Christ.

Comments

Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 1:57pm
You know, I found this interesting to start with.....until you started the Jew-baiting.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:09pm
Truth can be offensive to some.
Autumn Cote Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:20pm
Please note, it's against the rules to post articles here unless you comment on the work of others.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:23pm
Please note...selective, anal retentive harassment of site members is repelling at best. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:31pm
Tom, you know the rules.  You need to comment on other people’s articles.
 
I’m thinking about my next one.  I think I have enough comments in the bank (I think).
 
Anyway, about your comment....
 
So, is it only Jews?  What about other people, like me?
 
I consider myself an agnostic.  I have no idea if Jesus was the Messiah, my parents raised me as Roma Catholic but it never took.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:32pm
Oh, as far as Autumn goes, I got the same comment, as have others.  She’s not singling you out.
Autumn Cote Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:35pm
I'm sorry but I'm not interested in the participation of selfish authors.  In light of the fact this is not your first warning, I feel justified to suspend your account right now.  It's currently live because I don't want to lose you as a participant.  The ball's in your court.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:36pm
By the way, I meant Roman Catholic, not Roma Catholic.  
John J Bernard Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:45pm
There are actually two references to Anti-Christ; the first is; "the spirit of Anti-Christ" and the second is to a specific persona/person.

I generally agree that there has been far too much effort to pin down who this critter is or is going to be especially as Jesus himself said not even he knew the day or the hour of his eventual return....and without that, there is a myriad of things leading up to his return which will require a significant amount of wisdom and study to pin point.

Much of the rush to judge centers on whether a person is a preterist, historist or futurist as it pertains to eschatology and further complicated by a disparity of agreement amongst the futurists (pre/mid/post Tribulation taking away/Rapture).

Of course the entire point of Jesus's discourse on this was that while these things would be knowable, obsessing about them in lieu of our only mandate; share the Gospel, amounts to a sin.

Personally, I believe the actual Anti-Christ will be well known when he is finally introduced to the world, first by his charisma, his success in getting the Temple rebuilt (something even the Jews believe is imminent) and finally, desecrating the Temple by taking it over as his throne.

Until he is actually and obviously unmasked, everyone is simply guessing.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:47pm
No, Autumn.   It's your court and it's your ball.  It's your rules.  You're commissioner, referee and the scoreboard itself.  Some would call that a power trip.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:49pm
I post to WB secondarily at this point, because of the disparate treatment by Autumn and "brother".  Go ahead and suspend me if you wish.  I have other, less authoritarian outlets I can use.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:50pm
Oh, FFS, Tom, get over it.  The rules are the same for everyone.  Go check out some of the articles and comment.  Easy peasy.  Feel free to comment on some of my older stuff, I don’t mind.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:50pm
Thanks for the thoughtful comments, John J. Bernard!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:51pm
This feels like an attempt to bail with your dignity intact, Tom.  
John J Bernard Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:51pm
Jeffrey Kelly; BTW; I was brought up Catholic as well and my entire family is Catholic to this day, save a few.

The greatest fault in Catholicism, is it's insistence that Catholics listen to Leadership only; not encouraging people to read for themselves.

While I never fell into apostasy or agnostic shadow, I never-the-less, became disillusioned when the Catholic Church made so many fundamental changes in the 60's and early 70's.

31 years ago, I gave my life to Christ on my terms and with my understanding and have worshipped in non-denominational/evangelical fellowships, since.

God is real; his Word and his Son are real...man's best efforts to thwart God's intent; the enemy.
Autumn Cote Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:55pm
You say there is disparate treatment, show me one other author (excluding first time authors) that comments less frequently than you?  As you can see, you're the one receiving preferential treatment.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:57pm
How conveniently you forget the most committed participants in the history of WB. 
 
Autumn, you're being a major distraction to the subject matter of the post.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 2:59pm
@John J. Bernard:
 
I admire your faith.  
 
For some reason I started questioning very young, something never felt right to me.  I’ve attended other churches, they all felt empty to me.  I do admire spirituality in others, it’s simply a quality I lack.
 
I don’t really consider myself an atheist.  I do believe in a God and I find the basic tenets of all religions very inspiring.  But, I also believe that in the end religions are flawed at the very core because of people.  
 
Be that as it may I’m also extremely tolerant of all religions and I think that serves me quite well.  I don’t care how or what someone worships, in the end that is a matter of conscience and faith.
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:07pm
As far as the Anti-Christ goes, I simply don’t believe there will ever be such a person.
 
Instead, like a sick body, humanity will get better and we will progress.  Or, it will deteriorate to the point where we blow ourselves off the planet and the chess board will reset.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:17pm
"As far as the Anti-Christ goes, I simply don’t believe there will ever be such a person."
 
Person, or 'people'...  Based on my understanding, there are many millions of these, and counting.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:18pm
There is a Hollywood anti-Christ, then there is the biblical definition.  Like with WWII - there's a Hollywood version and then there is reality.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:30pm
I don’t think denying that Jesus was the Messiah qualifies one for the “Anti-Christ,” Tom.  If so you can toss Hitler into the pile, he wasn’t exactly devout.
Michael Cikraji Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:49pm
You do know that Jesus was Jewish, right? If Jews are the anti-Christ, would that then mean that Jesus was both Christ and anti-Christ? Or was that just what Charles Manson claimed he himself was?
Michael Cikraji Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:50pm
Tom,
If it matters,  I like you on this site. I'd like more articles about the Vikings though. They were awesome.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:51pm
My natural response to that comment, Michael, is to type one word...'Idiot.'.  I think I'll leave it at that.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:51pm
To your following comment, thank you. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:53pm
Well, Michael is right, Tom.  Jesus was Jewish.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 3:55pm
When it comes to anti-Christians, it doesn't matter whether Jesus was Jewish or not.  Like the Bible says, "He is a Jew that is one inwardly", or something like that.  I just don't participate in whether or not Jesus was Judean or Jewish.  It's a vortex that distracts, that's all. 
John J Bernard Added Nov 27, 2017 - 4:10pm
Jesus, by proper definition was/is the Incarnate God. He was indeed born of  Jewish Mother and Scripture actually details the entire lineage into which he was born.

However, you cannot use this as an argument for or against whether the Jews are "the Anti-Christ" in that, Jesus, was/is ultimately God and his specific Mission was to provide a perfect sacrifice for all sins, for all time, for ALL men (assuming, of course they accept who he said he was and what Scripture reveals...which is a pre-requisite).
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 27, 2017 - 4:15pm
John,
 
Well said and I agree.  Jesus was the savior of man, not the savior of Abraham's seed or any other sect.
John J Bernard Added Nov 27, 2017 - 4:37pm
Tom;

Exactly - all men. Of course Scripture reveals the Pharisees and Sadducees rejected him out of hand. Many, if not most, rejected him as the Messiah but there were also many Jews who did - and do to this day.
John J Bernard Added Nov 27, 2017 - 4:37pm
...who did accept him as the Messiah, that is...
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 8:16pm
That’s odd.  I received notification of new comments but nothing is new here.
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 27, 2017 - 9:59pm
Your post does invoke some interesting questions and observations concerning the concept of being "anti-Christ".
 
I completely agree that the term is greatly misunderstood and misused.  It was never a reference to one person; a historical or prophetical bogey-man coming to gobble us up or wage an apocalyptic war on Christians.  The term is indeed a description of the worldly working against Christ's teachings, kingdom, and Church.
 
I would not however put someone who simply denies Christ (as the Messiah, or the Son of God) in the category of "anti Christ".  If that is the definition, then the vast majority of the world is "anti Christ".
 
It is my belief that this term is reserved for those who actively seek to do harm to Christ and His Church.  I think the gospel generally reserves the term for egregious offenders.  The early Roman government, authorities, and pagans sought to punish Christians for their beliefs and destroy the Church if possible.  Government entities today do the same in seeking to force Christians to act against their beliefs of suffer financial ruin.  There is nothing new under the sun.  The cycle of sin and anti-Christian persecution is a circle.
 
With that in mind, you can be anti-Christ even while you think you are serving Him.  Self-delusion and false doctrine can go a long way in serving Satan.
 
Matthew 7:21 (NIV) "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
 
Also with that in mind, you can be anti-Christ without even believing in Him; your secular actions being so against his teachings or detrimental to his Church.  Mass murder might fit that bill.
 
>> The fact is, the anti-Christ game has been played by Jews that operate within mainstream media/Hollywood and educational curriculums since at least the early 1980s.
 
You have a solid point here in identifying the mainstream media, Hollywood (the Entertainment industry), and education system (especially higher education) as being major organized players against the interests of Christ.  Anyone denying these industries have an anti-Christian bias and even a hostility to Christians is lacking intellectual honesty.
 
As to the point that these industries are staffed or controlled by Jews, I cannot say.  I see them more as staffed and controlled by the secular left.  Most Jews you see in these industries are (I suspect) JINOs (Jews in Name Only).  They are just leftist secular atheist, not believing or giving much thought to the God of their forefathers.
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 27, 2017 - 10:13pm
By, the way... all of John J Bernard's comments are right on the money.
 
The parable of the wedding feast is particularly relevant to this discussion. Matthew 22:1-14
 
Those who had been initially invited (the Jews) to the wedding banquet (heaven) declined the invitation even beating and killing the servants sent to remind them.  So the king (God) invited any and everybody.  The banquet hall was filled but not even all who came were allowed to stay; but only those who attired themselves properly.
 
Jesus concluded the parable with...
 
Matthew 22:14 (NIV) "For many are invited, but few are chosen."
 
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 27, 2017 - 10:16pm
JK >> That’s odd.  I received notification of new comments but nothing is new here.
 
Hopefully a Mitchka dropping/contribution properly disposed of. :)
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 27, 2017 - 10:23pm
I think I’m out, I can’t compete with the Bible stuff.
 
It’s been too long since Sunday School.
A. Jones Added Nov 27, 2017 - 11:00pm
even the ones who crucified him.
 
It was pagan Romans, not Jews, who crucified Jesus.
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 27, 2017 - 11:29pm
>> It was pagan Romans, not Jews, who crucified Jesus.
 
It was the Romans, it was the Jews... it was me. If you want to blame anyone; I'm as guilty as they come.
 
When you figure that out... you get it.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Nov 28, 2017 - 8:18am
Very informative about the target="_blank">mysteries of the Bible. If Adam's son married his sister, we are all the same.
John J Bernard Added Nov 28, 2017 - 8:35am
Incest isn't forbidden in the Bible until Leviticus 18.

The theory is that by then, the physical world had become genetically corrupt by sin, and finally the taking away of the protective canopy during the flood.

By the time Leviticus was written, the likelihood of birth defects and a weakened humanity were greatly increased.

So yes; Adam certainly married a relative which is a lot closer than we would today - even given that we are all related to Adam.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 28, 2017 - 11:34am
Thank you for the wise and thoughtful comments, Lynn.
 
We generally agree.  In an attempt to add clarity to my reference of the 'biblical version' of anti-Christ - well, like so much scripture it can be riddled with layers of meanings.  For me?  I guess I interpret such as those who seek to demean and destroy Christianity (or anything else in their way for that matter) to fit the term 'anti-Christ'.  To be ignorant is to be benign.  It is the malignancy of international anti-Christianity that is metastasizing existentially and that is what concerns me.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 28, 2017 - 12:29pm
I don't regard Jesus as the Messiah. I'm not sure about this anti-Christ thing and how much it matters to Christians.
 
Anyway, glad John Bernhard jumped the ship and went evangelical. The Catholics have a climate change weather g-d for a pope now.
 
Maybe Purcell is the anti-Christ. May Jesus rescue his soul ..... with Zyklon B.
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 28, 2017 - 12:52pm
There are indeed layers of meaning in scripture.  That (to me) is one of the joys of studying.  You come back and read something years later and find a whole new (additional) layer you hadn’t considered before.
 
>> I guess I interpret such as those who seek to demean and destroy Christianity (or anything else in their way for that matter) to fit the term 'anti-Christ'.
 
I would agree with that statement.
 
>> To be ignorant is to be benign.
 
Less so with this one, though I can see (and respect) that opinion.
 
Jesus instructed us to resist (to the point of death - our death) those who are anti-Christ (those who would destroy us and have us deny Him or His teachings).
 
Concerning those who would not believe when the gospel is presented he told his diciples "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." (Matthew 10:14)  Just move on...
 
>> It is the malignancy of international anti-Christianity that is metastasizing existentially and that is what concerns me.
 
Me too... it's bad and will get much worse before it gets better.
 
But! That is nothing new.  When we look at the world and the power aligned against us; things look insurmountable.  The Church suffered greatly and was always on the verge of being wiped out by the early Roman Empire.  It's not that bad in this day and age... yet.
 
The summation of the Book of Revelation is that the sum-total of the world is anti-Christ and against you (Christians), but in the end God wins and if you are faithful you will share in that victory.
John J Bernard Added Nov 28, 2017 - 12:59pm
Fortunately, the state of the world and even the Church is not something we need to fret about.
 
Our only assigned mission is to share the Gospel. All other exhortations deal with how we conduct ourselves, individually, while here.
 
It is a given (and attested to in Scripture), that both the world and the Church will continue to spiral downwards as the End approaches. That, is God's concern, rather than ours.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 28, 2017 - 3:11pm
So, who is the current candidate for the role of anti-Christ?
 
And, why did the identification of the coming anti-Christ produce the wrong candidates?
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 28, 2017 - 3:22pm
>> So, who is the current candidate for the role of anti-Christ?
 
Read above... there is no candidate (at least within this discussion).  Anti-Christ is not a, one, single person.  We're dealing with an adjective here, not a noun.
 
"...that term is greatly misunderstood and misused.  It was never a reference to one person; a historical or prophetical bogey-man coming to gobble us up or wage an apocalyptic war on Christians.  The term is indeed a description of the worldly working against Christ's teachings, kingdom, and Church."
 
>> And, why did the identification of the coming anti-Christ produce the wrong candidates?
 
Because men are fallible and always in search of a bogey-man to throw rocks at.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:12pm
"Read above... there is no candidate "
 
" It was never a reference to one person; "
 
Now, how many Christians named a living person as the Anti-Christ since 1880?? How and why did they do this so many times and failed?
 
I am asking, directly, if predictions about such persons are phony, at best, since millions believed in the currently selected person and he turned out not to be the one. Do we then think that the Battle of Armageddon is also not literal given the place for the battle?
 
Let us also interject the fact that the Jehovah Witnesses have predicted the Second Coming, several times, the last about 1953, yet they claim to be able to glean prophecy from the scriptures.
 
Then, there are the faith healers of the early part of the last century who claimed to heal persons in the revival tents around the US. 
 
Why are we seeing so many phony predictions and information derived from the scriptures?
 
The notion that "because men are fallible" prompts us to wonder why we should believe in any thing thrown from the nearest pulpit or revival tent.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:26pm
My problem with Jesus' second coming is that I'm never at home. He leaves one of these packet delivery service notes. 'Your soul be damned. You find it in hell.'  But I hate it to pick it up there. Too many Democrats.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:36pm
Blasphemer!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:41pm
Oh, my g-d. Why are Nazis so touchy? How dare I ridicule your beloved Democrats? I did not even allude to you being a choir boy victim.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:42pm
Well this is bah mitzvah angst if there ever was any.
John J Bernard Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:43pm
There are two uses of the term "Anti-Christ" in Scripture; One is clearly referring to the "spirit of anti-christ", being as that is the phrase used.

The Second use, is clearly singular and speaking of an individual.

In fact; he is but one of a false Trinity; The Anti-Christ, the False Prophet and the Beast.
 
John J Bernard Added Nov 28, 2017 - 4:46pm
rycK the JFK Democrat; the number of predictions made in the past 2,000 years is a very long and illustrious list.

The number of candidates floated today, is amazingly long. All have been and remain wrong.

There is much that needs to happen before he is "introduced" and it will be impossible to miss him when he does make an appearance. Scripture is replete with signs/characteristics and events surrounding this "man of lawlessness" that is yet to come.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 28, 2017 - 5:12pm
A man of lawlessness? Isn't that transphobic? What if the beast is genderfluid like Michelle Obama? Or a complete pussy like Purcell? The beast will need a safespace whe ze is called a 'man'.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 28, 2017 - 5:22pm
Now you're just trying to hurt my feelings.  Please, Goldsteen, don't reduce the conversation to excrement slinging, again. 
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 28, 2017 - 5:31pm
Before I "shake the dust off your feet"...
 
>> Now, how many Christians named a living person as the Anti-Christ since 1880??
 
Quite a few I'm sure.  It is my belief that those who did were wrong.
 
>> How and why did they do this so many times and failed?
 
Why do men fail at anything; physical, theological, or otherwise?  Lack of preparation, study, bias...
 
I've failed at many things... I'm sure I'm wrong about something relating to my faith (maybe this).  If being 100% correct is a requirement for salvation; heaven will be a mighty lonely place.  I don't think it is.  The stuff you must be right about is a short (but important) list.  Who is an/the anti-Christ isn't on it.
 
Even John (whom I have great respect for) and I disagree on there being a specific person being THE Anti-Christ.  I don’t even believe the Beast and False Prophet (mentioned in Revelation) are literal individuals either.  But, I respect John's opinion.
 
>> I am asking, directly, if predictions about such persons are phony
 
Phony is in the heart of the predictor.  Are those who believe what they say phony, if they end up being wrong?
 
>> Do we then think that the Battle of Armageddon is also not literal given the place for the battle?
 
I do (believe it is NOT literal).  It comes from the Book of Revelation which is pretty well "not literal".
 
>> Let us also interject the fact that the Jehovah Witnesses have predicted the Second Coming, several times, the last about 1953, yet they claim to be able to glean prophecy from the scriptures.
 
I'm not a Jehovah's Witness nor even remotely literate of their beliefs, prophecy, etc...
 
Anyone predicting the exact day of the Second Coming is a fool at best. 
 
"... about that day or hour (of the Second Coming) no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36)
 
>> Then, there are the faith healers of the early part of the last century who claimed to heal persons in the revival tents around the US.
 
Irrelevant to the term anti-Christ or discussion there-of...
 
>> Why are we seeing so many phony predictions and information derived from the scriptures?
 
Because "Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." (Matthew 7:13)
 
Some (wrong predictions) are intentional (meant to mislead).  Some are misinterpretations.  The sum of those equals "so many".
 
>> The notion that "because men are fallible" prompts us to wonder why we should believe in anything thrown from the nearest pulpit or revival tent.
 
The account is there (in the gospel, not necessarily the pulpit).  Seek... don't... Believe... don't... use your free will for whatever purpose you like.
 
"Small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:14)
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 28, 2017 - 6:44pm
John J
 
"There is much that needs to happen before he is "introduced" and it will be impossible to miss him when he does make an appearance. "
 
[1] that gives us no information. 
[2] many times we have been warned of his imminent approach and they were all false. 
 
What can we say about those who make predictions that do not come to pass??
John J Bernard Added Nov 28, 2017 - 8:13pm
We can say that they are taking liberties Scripture doesn't allow....or simply acting with partial information.
 
None of us knows who He is, in advance - period.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 28, 2017 - 8:45pm
Amen.
Billy Roper Added Nov 28, 2017 - 9:59pm
According to the last book of the Bible, the anti-Christ will come preaching global peace, unity, and multiracial brotherhood. Those who promote such have already chosen their side.
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 28, 2017 - 10:27pm
BR >> According to the last book of the Bible, the anti-Christ will come preaching global peace, unity, and multiracial brotherhood.
 
I'm wrapping up an exhaustive Bible study of the Book of Revelation and remember the beast and false prophet rallying worldly kings to their cause... 
 
Being a bit of a bible scholar, can you direct me to the verses you base this on?
Billy Roper Added Nov 29, 2017 - 8:06am
Okay, aside from the happy ending foretold in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, the character of the AntiChrist and his strategy is described in "he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads" (Rev. 13:16), without which they cannot buy or sell. And the whole Earth worships the beast. The dissenters will be those who do not fall into line with the new world order of multiracial peace. Jesus, on the other hand, said that he did not come to bring peace, but a sword. He came to start a fire, and what does he care if it is kindled already?
John J Bernard Added Nov 29, 2017 - 10:16am
BR - I am not sure you can attach a racial aspect to that part of Scripture; "...small and great, rich and poor, free and bond.." That is simply saying all of mankind.

The world government (so called), that the Anti-Christ will head for a short time is simply the nations willingly submitting themselves to him regardless of race, social status etc...it is in fact saying that men regardless will be drawn to him.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 10:39am
John, Billy is all about the race.  It’s kinda his main focus.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 11:39am
Jeffrey,
 
"Billy is all about the race."
 
If this is accurate, can you blame him?  There is already at least one nation that hates men like Billy and myself, and you for that  matter, Jeffrey, even when he/we aren't talking race or pointing out how and why Jews are regularly expelled from nations.
 
He's not all about race, not in my opinion.  He can speak for himself but in a world like this, where White men are increasingly persecuted and worse, I'm glad we have men like Billy doing what he does on a daily basis.  My only regret is that I haven't done more myself. 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 12:14pm
Tom:
Now you're just trying to hurt my feelings.
You have a sense of humor. 
 
I personally would have found it cooler if the article had more quotes from different people throughout antiquity and middle ages who used the word 'antichrist' in different context with their own meaning. So we could have all played and 'applied' the contradicting attributions to modern day groups and people. You pick the Jews, Kelly the Nazis, I pick Angela Merkel, and the sane people the Democrats.
 
Johnson:
Being a bit of a bible scholar, can you direct me to the verses you base this on?
I thought Roper did: the last book of his bible, Mein Kampf!
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:01pm
...and this year's anti-Christ award goes to (envelope opening)..._____ (commemorated by a gold plated menorah trophy)
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:15pm
Me? *push everybody aside while storming the stage, ungraciously ripping the menorah out of the hollywood slut's hands*
"I want to thank all my enemies. *sob* Without your hate and anger I would not stand here tonight. Thank Satan for his unwavering support of himself. A special thank you goes to the old bucks in the dark corner of this room. Without you, dear Elderly of Zion this award would not have been rigged in my favor" *tears, sobs, sulphorous clouds*
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:23pm
@Tom Purcell
 
”If this is accurate, can you blame him?”
 
That depends, Tom.
 
There’s nothing wrong with taking pride in who you are and your heritage.  I’m Irish (well, Czech-Irish but primarily Irish) and I don’t take it all that seriously.  But a lot of my relatives do.  There’s nothing wrong with that.
 
But, Billy takes the whole “white” thing to an extreme.  
 
“There is already at least one nation that hates men like Billy and myself, and you for that matter, Jeffrey,”
 
I think I’m OK, Tom.  If you are talking about Israel according to deniers on-line I’m at least an honorary Jew.  Apparently I “think like Jew,” whatever the fuck that means.
 
“even when he/we aren't talking race”
 
Well, Billy primarily talks about race, to be honest I can’t think of an occasion where he didn’t but I’ll give him a small benefit of the doubt.  I suppose somewhere along the line he wrote or said something that didn’t discuss race.  I’ll give you some credit, Tom, you don’t always talk about it.  It’s irrelevant where I am concerned, I don’t believe in “races.”
 
“or pointing out how and why Jews are regularly expelled from nations.”
 
Well, I’ve said it before, Tom, Jews are hardly the first or last people to be persecuted and/or kicked out of countries.  The Huguenots, the Moriscos, English Catholics, Native Americans, all of those come immediately to mind.  It’s part of the human condition, Tom.  People persecute and/or drive out those different from them, even those that look the same.


Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:24pm
Benjamin, I don’t particularly like you....but, I have to admit, that was funny.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:25pm
"Tom, Jews are hardly the first or last people to be persecuted and/or kicked out of countries.  The Huguenots, the Moriscos, English Catholics, Native Americans, all of those come immediately to mind."
 
109 times?  That record is held firmly by Juden. 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:31pm
Kelly: Thank you. I actually do not think that I dislike you. But for me your personality and your ideology are two different things. I think you take leftism too seriously (which is why you can't be honest discussing politics), but who am I to judge.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:31pm
I haven’t counted them up, Tom.  I don’t really feel the need to.  I’d say that indigenous people suffered far more than Europen Jews before the 20th Century.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:33pm
Awe, Ben Gurion Jewstein and Jewey Kelly are making up.  Cute!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:45pm
That’s funny, Tom.  Look, just like most deniers I meet on-line you associate me as a Jew.
 
I always have a hard time trying to decide if that’s a lack of imagination or lack of intelligence.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:47pm
A spade is a spade.  You referred to yourself as a Jew-thinking honorary Jew.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 1:49pm
LOL, read it again, Tom.  Deniers refer to me as a Jew, I don’t take that label upon myself.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:05pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”Kelly: Thank you. I actually do not think that I dislike you.”
 
Good.  Perhaps we can hit the reset button....and agree our ideologies will not agree.
 
 
“But for me your personality and your ideology are two different things. I think you take leftism too seriously (which is why you can't be honest discussing politics), but who am I to judge.”
 
I actually wasn’t particularly political until the Thump got elected.  
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:17pm
I actually wasn’t particularly political until the Thump got elected.
Maybe that's it. As I said, I used to be a leftist. I grew up with liberal, politically engaged parents. I always was political. So the venom and the claim that everything is now utterly Hitleresque does not wash with me.
I have trouble with Merkel, though, and I can't relax either. Officially she claims to be a conservative, but she is a leftist, with the dark side of the socialism in which she was raised (her family moved voluntarily to the east to support the dictatorhip when she was a child).
I was happier under the government that claimed to be leftist (red-green), but catered to all groups in society, also to conservatives. Nobody was persecuted for phony 'hate crime' allegations then.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:22pm
It's fun  to imagine HRC and Merkel are one in the same witch, using transformation spells to act as either/or.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:24pm
They paint similar phony expressions on their faces...that's the distinct physical similarity that's often stood out to me.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:32pm
I think that Thump reverts back to his original form of being a giant, orange anus when he is asleep or tweeting.  You can also shadows of it when he is trying to speak in complete sentences.
 
I think that’s why his wife stayed in New York for so long.  If I was her I’d stay as far away from that giant, orange anus as long as I could.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:37pm
Well isn't it a shame that already in one year, an "orange anus" is a better president than this country has had in at least 3 decades.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:42pm
Not that he couldn't screw it up...but if he does what he must do for the sake of his own kin and country, he'll not veer off course. 
 
He must, no matter what, stop the rampant immigration, foremost of refugees and from across the southern mainland, stabilize the nation economically and socially, put healthcare and education on the right course, and solidify our military defenses.  Then he'll be an historic, iconic president.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:46pm
@Tom Purcell:
 
”Well isn't it a shame that already in one year, an "orange anus" is a better president than this country has had in at least 3 decades.”
 
LOL, that’s hysterical, I never credited you with a good sense of humor.
 
Thanks, Tom.  That brightened my workday.
 
Wait, I just read your next comment, you weren’t joking???
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:47pm
He's got a long way to go.  A man has to hope.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:49pm
Jeff: I know you will find that authoritarian, even though it comes with a 'please': Could you please stop using insults?
 
I am writing on a computer that is probably infested with a computer virus which the government passed through parliament a couple of months ago, called Bundestrojaner.
 
There is a new agency ZITiS that was created this year solely to listen to our electrical devises. ZITiS is not anserable to the police, not even to the secret service. It has a start budget of 10 million euro this year (sure as hell that will rise).
 
No government, not even Russia and China, asks google more often to bury content.
 
I always have to be careful not to give my opinions in real life anymore. I could not say anything positive about Trump without risking job, family and friends. It is not a choice. I once even proactively smeared a conservative politician that I like just not to appear conservative. You can't imagine the pressure.
 
And you talk about suffering from a tweet here and there and the wrong skin color "orange" (which is racist btw).
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 2:58pm
It’s not about suffering from a tweet now and again, Benjamin.  The man is genuinely dangerous.  The presidency is not a place to learn “on the job.”  Mistakes from a president have serious consequences.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:04pm
Kelly: So has CNN told you that person x is dangerous and you must fight him/her? You know who also says that all his enemies are not wrong, but dangerous: every single dictator, including Hitler.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:05pm
Donald J. Trump is probably the first president that has noticeable leadership qualities and has been a successful leader before being elected as president of the U.S., since FDR.  That said, I think FDR did the U.S. and western civilization great misdeeds, but he did have leadership qualities that a leader of a nation ought to possess. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:27pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”Kelly: So has CNN told you that person x is dangerous and you must fight him/her?”
 
One, I don’t watch CNN.  I do read it but I also read Fox News.  One must stay balanced.
 
Two, why is the assumption that I “fight” Trump?  I oppose him and his policies but I’m not a crazed Antifa looking to battle Nazis in the street.  That didn’t really work out well the last time and simply encourages repression.  It also gives conservatives, Right-Wingers and Trumplings a chance to play the pity party routine.   I have no issues with protesters or counter-protesters....if they keep it peaceful.
 
I do it the Democratic way.  I vote, I gave money to causes (when I have it) and I keep track of what’s going on.
 
You have some really strange views about liberals, Benjamin.  We aren’t all crazed Antifa looking to collect the scalps of Right-Wingers.
 
“You know who also says that all his enemies are not wrong, but dangerous: every single dictator, including Hitler.”
 
Trump is dangerous.  Even other Republicans are starting to get the picture.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:30pm
Jeffrey Kelly
 
 
Trump is dangerous.  Even other Republicans are starting to get the picture.
 
Hillary would not have been dangerous? She was easily bribed by the Russians. 
 
Even JFK Democrats read the picture. 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:33pm
I don’t want to derail Tom’s thread by discussing politics, gentlemen.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:34pm
Sorry, Tom, this is partly my fault.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:43pm
My apologies, all.  I suddenly realized the direction this was heading.  If Tom is OK with it we can tilt off-topic.  Otherwise we may want to take this elsewhere.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:44pm
Go for it I'm not offended.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:46pm
OK.  I just wanted to make sure you don’t mind if we go off-topic.  I don’t care on the stuff I write....I’m liberal about it : D.....but I know it annoys other authors when we go careening off in another direction.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:49pm
Jeffrey is not bothered about derailing your threat. He doesn't want to discuss it (which is fine). He also whiteknighted like this in the last article of 'even a broken clock'. As far as I'm concerned we were on topic all along: the anti-christ, i.e. liberals.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 3:57pm
Jeff: I'm not married with Trump. But you know I came out straight with some real dangers Merkel poses. I have to explain too much to give you more meat, but I tried to give some real stuff.
 
Your argument is: Trump is dangerous because x and y say so and some are Republicans. That is not an argument. Have journalists be convicted on spurious grounds like in Germany and Turkey? Oh, no Trump said that CNN is garbage (and it is). Leftist: "Equally bad". Did Trump or Clinton say he wants to shut down news outlets? I remember that Clinton wanted to shut down Drudge and Breitbart. Did Trump also say he wants to shut down media outlets? Oh, no, not equally bad. Oops.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 4:13pm
Actually, I took it to something you wrote, Benjamin.  I think it’s rude to derail other people’s articles.  BTW, EABC thanked us for moving on.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 4:17pm
So y'all really are a thing again?  Good for you.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Nov 29, 2017 - 4:25pm
Tom: Let's call it 'quit'. You can check the  article of EABC and the comment thread. There was not even anything to derail and my comments were based on his. I don't care.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 29, 2017 - 4:37pm
“Jeffrey and Benjamin - thanks for taking your discussion off-line. Probably better to follow up on one of your own posts and the discussion chain associated with it. Thanks for being respectful.”
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 4:45pm
The two of you are kinda like the T & P of WriterBeat.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 29, 2017 - 4:46pm
(Terrance & Phillip)
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 29, 2017 - 9:34pm
Hopefully, back on topic...
 
Revelation has many characters in leagues with the dragon (Satan).  They generally include...

The (Sea) Beast (associated with the Roman Empire and all anti-Christ governments)
The (Land) Beast or False Prophet (associated with Pagan and Roman religious authorities and all anti-Christ false teachers)
Babylon the Great or The Harlot (associated with the city of Rome and the worldly enticing men with riches, fame, and pleasure)

 
Of these only one the Beast (Sea Beast) is generally associated with being THE anti-Christ.  It's the one with multiple heads, one with a fatal would that miraculously heals.
 
There is a tendency to take any and all ominous descriptions found in Revelation and apply them to THE Anti-Christ.  The latter part of Revelation 13 (including verse 16) is a initial introduction and description of the False Prophet.
 
And I agree with John B that this "is simply saying all of mankind" will follow where the False Prophet directs them... in this case to worship the original Beast (whether he be the anti-Christ or not).
 
All are anti-Christ as for as being a description (not necessarily a proper noun).
Dr. Rupert Green Added Nov 29, 2017 - 10:55pm
Tom is acting as though he has a male member in his ass. He appears to not comment on brothers' works. What is that about?
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 30, 2017 - 11:03am
I comment on quality, intelligent work and respectful, intelligent comments.  I do not respond to jungle noise, Rupert.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 30, 2017 - 11:06am
Thank you for those comments, Lynn.  I appreciate the "all of mankind" but I also contemplate the fact that men who wish to remain beasts, men that reject Christ and God himself cannot be saved.  One must first save himself, right?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 30, 2017 - 11:54am
There is nothing new in this thread so we know, again, nothing about the AC. All predictions from Revelation and others parts of the scriptures have been false to date. 
 
We must wait. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 30, 2017 - 11:57am
Fair enough, ryck.  My primary issue is how often the term 'anti-Christ' is misused. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Nov 30, 2017 - 12:50pm
Tom
 
Nice thread and you covered the spectrum of thoughts and actions about the AC. I agree with your comments. We must wait. 
Lynn Johnson Added Nov 30, 2017 - 1:52pm
>> I appreciate the "all of mankind" but...
 
I think you and I are in complete (or near complete) agreement on the matter.  I apologize if I’ve left any doubt concerning the necessity of Christ in the equation of salvation.
 
"all of mankind" simply means a majority of men from all walks of life, all cultures, all races, all various earthly distinctions will follow the Beast and reject Christ.
 
By the same token a much smaller subset (few) of "all of mankind" will choose to follow Christ.
 
>> I also contemplate the fact that men who wish to remain beasts, men that reject Christ and God himself cannot be saved.
 
We (each and every person who draws breath on earth) have until our last day/breath to cast aside the world (our beastly selves) and embrace Christ.  Once we die, the matter is settled for eternity.
 
Many think or pretend Jesus said "I am one of the many ways and paths to heaven and the father.  I sure hope you choose me." (found nowhere in the Bible)
 
Jesus DID say "I am THE way and THE truth and THE life. NO ONE comes to the Father except through ME." (John 15:16)
 
THE equals ONE and only ONE.
 
NO ONE means other paths chosen lead to destruction.
 
Jesus is IT... there is NO other way to salvation.  Not Allah, not Buddha, not following the law of Moses, not being the Pope, not being really really good... Just Him, Just One Way...
 
>> One must first save himself, right?
 
Yes.  Absolutely!  A drowning man cannot save another drowning man.  Step 1... save yourself by latching on to THE ONE true Savior...
 
As Paul instructed the Philippians "continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling".
 
Good post and discussion.
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 30, 2017 - 3:29pm
Thanks, gentlemen.  I look forward to future discussions.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Nov 30, 2017 - 4:09pm
@Tom. "I comment on quality, intelligent work and respectful, intelligent comments.  I do not respond to jungle noise, Rupert."
 
Is the assertion that there are unintelligent people on WB, or individuals whose level of intellect is below yours? That jungle mention is ticklish. Its a jungle in Africa  but a forest in america.  Tarzan was in the African jungle ruling the hapless savages. Would wonder how one from a jungle found his or her way on WB. We must do something about those illegal and ignorant natives crossing the WB borders with their pseudo intellectualism aka jungle noise?
Tom C. Purcell Added Nov 30, 2017 - 4:33pm
Intellect is highly subjective.  It depends on the company.  Einstein would have seemed pretty smart to a lot of mush minds until Werner Von Braun entered the room. 
 
And if you're analogizing me as Tarzan - no, you cannot be cheetah the monkey.  I don't swing from that vine.  /:() 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Nov 30, 2017 - 10:01pm
Never had the need to know Werner. The stuff he did was no monkey business.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Nov 30, 2017 - 11:22pm
@Tom Purcell:
”Einstein would have seemed pretty smart to a lot of mush minds until Werner Von Braun entered the room.“
 
Sure, Tom.  As if you would know.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 1, 2017 - 6:34am
@Jeffrey. "@Tom Purcell:
”Einstein would have seemed pretty smart to a lot of mush minds until Werner Von Braun entered the room.“
 
Sure, Tom.  As if you would know."
 
Very astute on preceding. I am noticing that while Tom threw a name out there, I presented the readership with a link to the scholarly pedigree of the named individual. Indeed, as earlier ststed, I was ignorant of Werner.
 
@Tom. Now, who would you say was monkeying around?  Not to make any accusation, but to teach the need for mindfulness in our diction/communication.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 9:12am
@Doctor Rupert Green:
”Very astute on preceding. I am noticing that while Tom threw a name out there, I presented the readership with a link to the scholarly pedigree of the named individual. Indeed, as earlier ststed, I was ignorant of Werner.”
 
In a way the father of the German Rocket Program became the father of the US Rocket Program.
 
In a way Werner was lucky his expertise was badly needed.  The slave labor that built the V-1 & V-2 cost many their lives.  The prisoners that built the rockets were kept underground in horrific conditions. I believe Werner always denied knowing about the conditions of the workers, which is ridiculous.  He could easily been prosecuted for War Crimes (many of the prisoners were POWs) or Crimes Against Humanity (the overall conditions and many of the workers were foreign civilians).
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 1, 2017 - 10:02am
@Jefferey. "In a way Werner was lucky his expertise was badly needed.  The slave labor that built the V-1 & V-2 cost many their lives.  The prisoners that built the rockets were kept underground in horrific conditions. I believe Werner always denied knowing about the conditions of the workers, which is ridiculous.  He could easily been prosecuted for War Crimes (many of the prisoners were POWs) or Crimes Against Humanity (the overall conditions and many of the workers were foreign civilians)."
 
Astounding on above. US will supporter war criminals if it is their war criminals. No castigation of US, but banks across the world accept the money of dictators who rape and pillage their countries, even offering them asylum.
 
Was our giving Werner life as opposed to death beneficial to humankind? The greater good eh? 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 10:57am
@Dr. Rupert Green:
”Astounding on above. US will supporter war criminals if it is their war criminals. No castigation of US, but banks across the world accept the money of dictators who rape and pillage their countries, even offering them asylum.”
 
Google “Operation Paperclip.”  That was the operation organized to get Nazi German scientists out of Europe and to the US after the war.  Truman wanted the scientists vetted for war crimes and such but this was ignored.  

“Was our giving Werner life as opposed to death beneficial to humankind? The greater good eh?”
 
In the end, the pragmatic answer is yes.  I understand why they did it, even if I cannot condone it.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 1, 2017 - 10:59am
Rupert,
 
If you wish to improve communication between others, do not make jungle noise.  Speak like a civilized human being, learn tact, manners, and perhaps then you won't be scolded and compared to jungle-dwelling primates.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:02am
Fucking hell, Tom.  Was that really necessary?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:08am
Not necessary, but I'm not trying to hurt or spare anyone's sensitivities.  Each time Rupert comments on my posts, he begins and persists with grotesque, pornographic comments. 
 
"What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we have here....which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it. I don't like it anymore than you do."
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:24am
Not with me, he doesn’t.  We are on different sides of the political fence but that doesn’t mean he isn’t an interesting man to discuss things with.
 
Is there a reason why you have to sink to moronic racism when you reply back?  I can see something snarky, hell, I often do that myself.  But to drop it to that level demeans him as a human being and makes you look petty.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:26am
...just like most tweets make President Trump look petty according to mainstream media?  At the risk of appearing petty to sheep like yourself, I'll hold my ground and call it like I see it. 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:33am
*cough* Tom is neither the President nor Werner von Braun. *whisper* Different ball park.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:38am
@Tom Purcell:
”...just like most tweets make President Trump look petty according to mainstream media?”
 
They are.
 
“At the risk of appearing petty to sheep like yourself, I'll hold my ground and call it like I see it.”
 
That’s fine, Tom.  I sometimes forget that I shouldn’t expect anything resembling real human behavior from you.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:39am
True, different ball parks.  But we're all white Christians and are often lumped together and demonized anyway. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:40am
Nothing wrong with white people or Christians, Tom.  You?  You are something completely different.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:40am
Not sure what "real human behavior" implies but okay! 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:40am
Even i find a good deal of Trump's tweets petty. Not so petty as the reaction from the media, of course.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:42am
@Tom Purcell:
”Not sure what "real human behavior" implies but okay!“
 
Real humans don’t demean others because of the color of their skin or how they worship.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:43am
Kelly: You mean a mensch.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:44am
That's not why I demeaned Rupert.  Hey, he started it!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 12:18pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
 
Taken literally, yes.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 1, 2017 - 12:40pm
"Rupert,
 
If you wish to improve communication between others, do not make jungle noise.  Speak like a civilized human being, learn tact, manners, and perhaps then you won't be scolded and compared to jungle-dwelling primates." Tom.
 
Tom. I am glad to be of assistance to you to help you get that shit off your chest. Deciphering your subtle coding in the reference to jungle was the trick.   Provide me proof of my tactlessness. Is it that Blacks are still seen as monkeys in the jungle in your neck of the woods?
 
"Not necessary, but I'm not trying to hurt or spare anyone's sensitivities.  Each time Rupert comments on my posts, he begins and persists with grotesque, pornographic comments. " 
Interestingly, a racial stereotype of Blacks that informed the law against interracial marriage was that of the grotesque big Blacks.
 
Oh well! Circumcised Jews were also seen as wanting to destroy fair White Christian maidens.  Do you know why Whites had a fascination with Blacks' monsters to the extent that when they had a lynching party castration was always a fare/treat at such events?
 
Yes Tom, Please provide the evidence of underlined preceding.
 
I was wont to think I am an amiable chap who brings out the best in all participants here, even those professing extreme views.
 
 
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 1, 2017 - 12:46pm
Amiable chaps don't begin their comments with, "Tom is acting as though he has a male member in his ass. He appears to not comment on brothers' works. What is that about?"  This is what I referred to as "jungle noise."
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 1, 2017 - 1:03pm
"  Each time Rupert comments on my posts, he begins and persists with grotesque, pornographic comments. " 
 This is what I referred to as "jungle noise."
 
Funny a one time event is taken as empirical evidence to warrant your claim. If I recall correctly, you do not comment on my work. Not a problem.   However, I commented because of the disrespect you were flaunting when Autumn informed you to abide by the rule.
 
I could clearly detect your, "Go shove it up you.. b." I dont know if that is characteristic of you, but I did respond to jolt you of your unconscious rude response.
Now with this response, I see something may be eating you. I am ready to offer my assistance, as will other members here who appreciate your perspective, to help correct the problem.
 
Oh, was it you who wrote about the Vikings and I informed you that you left out Black Vikings? My apology if my response provided the rude awakening that Jesse Owens modeled to Hitler.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 1, 2017 - 1:55pm
Dr. Rupert Green
 
I think you are out of line
 
jmnsho
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:31am
@ Ryck. How? If one is to be in line, then s/he has to be shown the errant way in order to "get back in line."
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 2, 2017 - 12:23pm
Dr Green,
 
"Tom. I am glad to be of assistance to you to help you get that shit off your chest. Deciphering your subtle coding in the reference to jungle was the trick.   Provide me proof of my tactlessness. Is it that Blacks are still seen as monkeys in the jungle in your neck of the woods?"
 
 Insolent, race baiting and more. This out of line
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 2, 2017 - 12:34pm
I just unsubscribed. My goodness is that thread dead!
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 2, 2017 - 12:54pm
Ben,
 
Some posts need to be chopped. 
 
jmnsho
Donna Added Dec 4, 2017 - 3:05pm
Tom,
It's fun  to imagine HRC and Merkel are one in the same witch
They are not, we are selective also..
Why insults us witches?? Hello, welcome back, congrats on all of the personal achievements! )0(
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 3:11pm
Donna,
 
Very nice to hear from you.  No offense to witches at all!  I suppose I had the image and tune of the Wicked Witch of the East & West in mind.  ;)  "I'll get you, my pretty!"  HRC on a bicycle
 
Thank you very much for the congrats.  May wisdom and love fill the voids of your recent losses.
mark henry smith Added Dec 4, 2017 - 3:57pm
If you don't mind, a Christian with some Jewish blood, a black butt, a Swiss mind, a witch at Salem for an ancestor, and Irish luck would to interject.
 
Tom, I am always appreciative of your comments and writing. You passion for your beliefs is commendatory. But I would ask you, and all of these people who feel hate in your hearts to think about what the real message of Christ was. All of this talk about Satan and Armegeddon, and all of this talk about them or those not being worthy, contradicts what Christ was all about.
 
The people who wrote these things were not Christ. They were sinful men with sinful visions of life, as we all are to some degree. Let's not forget that in this life we are all condemned to sin. Who amongst you knows where your righteous love ends and your sinful love begins?
 
He did say that he did not come to save this world, but the souls of men (people). Those souls are found in all people of all colors, races, religions, creeds, on and on. I don't think he would say that there is one of us who has ever been born that is not worthy of salvation. And I don't think Jesus would care if you advocated for him, if you held to the principles he found most precious, love, healing, forgiveness, peace, and charity.
 
Don't all of you know the parable of The Good Samaritan? Talk is cheap, actions matter. Don't be at Christ. Be in Christ. This is a man who rather than let himself be saved by the sword, died on the cross and forgave all who led him to that fate. He didn't curse and scream and plead for mercy. He wondered why his father had forsaken him, maybe, from what I know that is only in the book of Mark, not the other gospels.
 
We live in a world where people have been sold an idea that their comfort is worthy of any action. Where greed is seen as a good investment strategy, where bigotry is painted as protecting the homeland from foreign invaders. In Christ there are no foreign invaders, there are only souls waiting to be claimed by love.  
mark henry smith Added Dec 4, 2017 - 4:00pm
And Tom, thanks for commenting on my post and Benjamin too. I love both of you. Sorry.
Mircea Negres Added Dec 4, 2017 - 4:19pm
I don't know if Yeshua bar Yosef was the Moshiach (Messiah) because I wasn't alive back then or present during the events he supposedly took part in. At worst, that makes me a skeptic, but definitely NOT the anti-Christ, even though my battalion chaplain once warned my best friend to stay away from me because I was supposedly going to lead him to Satan. That was because I did not go to the two-faced chaplain's pathetic happy-clappy bullshit Sunday services and rebutted his pathetic attempts to "save my soul" while he ignored "good Christians" who bullied my friend- and whom I threatened with death if they did not stop bullying, in any of the twenty ways I knew to kill a man back then... It is debatable whether Yeshua bar Yosef (no, his name wasn't Jesus Christ) was the Savior, but not so much to say the man had some very advanced and good ideas about how to make the world a better place during a bad time in its history.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 5:19pm
Mircea,
 
I don't blame skeptics whatsoever, especially with so much anti-Christian sentiment and propaganda nowadays.  Many disparage the Bible as merely a book, but it's more than that.  Faith is a complicated thing, and I believe even some open skeptics are discreetly, if not secretly faithful.  It's actually more harmful to one's reputation to be openly Christian, than to be openly skeptical in today's America.  
 
...even though my battalion chaplain once warned my best friend to stay away from me because I was supposedly going to lead him to Satan. That was because I did not go to the two-faced chaplain's pathetic happy-clappy bullshit Sunday services and rebutted his pathetic attempts to "save my soul" while he ignored "good Christians" who bullied my friend- and whom I threatened with death if they did not stop bullying, in any of the twenty ways I knew to kill a man back then... "
 
LOL!
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 4, 2017 - 6:02pm
Tom C.
 
"... Faith is a complicated thing,"
 
Faith arrives at truth without proof. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:04pm
"...truth without proof." 
 
Like I said - complicated.  :)
John Minehan Added Dec 4, 2017 - 10:58pm
Let's see, Mary the Mother of G-d (the Theotokos), was a Jew, in fact, an Orthodox Jew.
 
Her son became a Rabbi.  Which meant he was a Pharisee.  (Not that he didn't spend a lot of time arguing with them, but that is part of the Rabbinate, going back to His older contemporaries Hillel and Shammai and continuing down to the Bal Shem Tov and the Gaon of Vilna.)
 
That pretty much seals the fact that he was, as far as his human nature was concerned, a Jew.
 
    
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 5, 2017 - 1:21am
Marko
 
a Swiss mind
 
I'm the anti-christ and proud of it LOL. That would never qualify me as a good American, I guess ;-)
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 6:58am
Stone - that makes two of us then. It's a bit like Spartacus!
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 6:59am
rycK - faith arrives at fiction without fact.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 12:11pm
John,
 
My interpretation of the biblical section that includes, "he is a Jew that is one inwardly" means that those who walk around saying they're Jewish, are not necessarily Jewish. 
 
Those who inhabit modern Israel are Kahzarian tribal peoples that claimed Judaism as their religion under King Bulan of the Kahzarian empire.  They also claimed a "holocaust" in WWII.  These are Talmadists, really.  Not Jews.  Did God not instruct us to beware?

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