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You're a mean one, Mr. Trump

You really want to steal

You are twitty as a tweeter, you just want to cop a feel, Mr. Trump

You're a bad example with no sex appeal!

 

A French philosopher of the 18th century, Joseph de Maistre, created the quote for our times. "Every nation gets the government it deserves". If that statement is correct, what does it say for the United States that we have ended up with two competing parties in Congress who see only evil in the opposition, and will not ever compromise with the enemy. Then add to the top of this noxious mess a flippant amateur provocateur who believes whatever image was shown to him on the TV during the past 5 minutes. To me, it says that we've arrived at the perfect reflection of the American character.

 

You're a monster, Mr. Trump

Your soul's a lump of coal

Your lies ooze out like butter, your conscience is a black hole, Mr. Trump

I wouldn't trust you with a nuclear code at your control!

 

George Orwell was incredibly prescient. "War is Peace, and Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.  For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable – what then?” The current administration clearly states its belief in alternate facts. Who cares if photographic evidence shows his inauguration crowd was smaller than Obama's? Fake news! What does it matter if the President tweets videos that have been debunked because they fit his preconceived idea of the enemy! It's not the videos that are important, it is the threat that they represent. So much falsity being slathered upon the national sandwich, day in, day out. And still his unthinking supporters celebrate each put down of the elite, reveling in their strong ignorance that sustains their belief in their dear leader.

 

You're a foul one, Mr. Trump

Your hair is an orange pile

Your support has been expressed for an accused pedophile, Mr. Trump

Given a choice between the two of you, I'd curl up in a ball of denial!

 

Donald Trump has succeeded in establishing an agenda for his peers. Forget the pledges of the campaign, where he promised to sustain and never cut the programs depended upon by his supporters. Forget his pledge to give Americans really, really good health care. "It’ll be better health care, much better, for less money.” Then he abdicated his power of the bully pulpit to the machinations of the Republicans in Congress who tried to demolish all aspects of the Affordable Care Act and replace it with an ersatz version that would enable the reestablishment of inadequate insurance plans whose only benefit was a lower premium cost. He became fixated upon the prospect of giving the American people the most massive tax cut in history, only to again delegate all details to the slim Republican majority in Congress. Their baby, being birthed through a c-section since they can't afford the time for a normal delivery, showers the GOP donor class with huge windfalls, while leaving very little golden shower to tinkle on the normal taxpayers of this nation. But to hear the cheerleaders in Congress, the rocket fuel given to the economy will cause economic pyrotechnics to stimulate the US economy in an orgy of growth. As far as trickle-down economics go, fool me once, shame on you (Reagan tax cuts). Fool me twice, shame on me (GWB tax cuts). Fool me 3 times, what the hell is going on here anyway?

 

You're a vile one, Mr. Trump

You won't even leave a crumb

You take thousands from your students while considering them dumb, Mr. Trump

The three words that best describe you are as follows, and I quote

"Skim, scam, scum"!

 

One campaign pledge Donald Trump made has been fulfilled. He has upset the order in Washington. In so doing, he has revealed that much of the overhead of the Federal Government really is needed in order to prevent chaos from overwhelming this nation. Through his unmitigated folly in denigrating the State Department, and in attempting to ghost this agency by neglecting to nominate diplomats, we are now celebrating all of the winning we are doing in international affairs. North Korea has been pacified by the bellicosity of the fire and fury style unleashed against them. Saudi Arabia has settled long-term issues with its neighbors Qatar and Yemen. Our long-time allies in Europe are hailing the improvement in relations with Washington after the years of neglect from previous administrations. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought today was opposite day.

 

You're a rotter, Mr. Trump

You love to share weird plots

You deny that you'll get richer but we connect the dots, Mr. Trump

Your soul is an appalling mixture of conceit shot through with hypocrisy,

Vanity, and insecurity all mangled up in tangled up knots!

 

Now it's been more than a year since the election. The true believers see only unsullied fulfillment of their dreams, though their leader has turned their dreams into nightmares. Still, they cannot see through their Fox induced haze to notice that not only is the Emperor buck naked, he's leading a parade of those who are taking off their clothes to follow his example. Meanwhile, those of us who use objective criteria to analyze performance, are concerned that the inconsistency, the depravity, and the rashness of our leader will end up destroying our democracy and will result in mass loss of life due to the wars he will call forth. Not even the Greeks could imagine a tragedy of such immense proportion due to hubris. May we live in interesting times.

 

We'll let Mr. Geisel have the last set of words.

You nauseate me, Mr. Trump

With a nauseous super "naus"!

You're a crooked dirty jockey and you drive a crooked hoss, Mr. Trump

You're a three decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwich with arsenic sauce!

 

Posted first on my blog https://evenabrokenclock.blog

 

Comments

Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 2:15pm
LOL, EABC, you have a way with words.  My compliments to the writer!!!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 2:19pm
To add to this heap of nauseating trash, Trump is likely going to name Jerusalem the Capitol of Israel.  It isn’t a done deal....yet.....but, why not?  After all, it’s guaranteed to piss off the Muslim governments in the region.  That’s like throwing raw meat to the base.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/politics/trump-israel-considering-jerusalem-capital/index.html
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 2:20pm
Flying Junior Added Dec 1, 2017 - 3:06pm
Speaking of hurting those who voted for him, (and many of the rest of us,) the tax bill looms large on the immediate horizon.  When the deficit inevitably explodes it will trigger automatic budget cuts.  One of these cuts will surely be to Medicare.  Seniors will feel the pain as Medicare premiums go up, benefits go down and most likely supplemental insurance premiums will increase significantly.  This could easily crowd out budgets for food, clothing and housing.
 
But good guy, Bob Corker is all for it.  As long as the measure is budget neutral, (not counting the harm done before the triggers take place,) then why not balance the tax giveaway to the uber-wealthy on the backs of seniors?  It's the republican way.
 
No difference at all between the two parties, right?  You know who you are.
Bill H. Added Dec 1, 2017 - 3:17pm
EABC - Very entertaining!
I don't see CNN as "Fake News". They are simply spending most of their time reporting on Trump's lies and antics, because there never seems to be a day (or hour?) that goes by without another "ohh no, here we go again!".
He also does his best to piss-off and alienate the mainstream news services, and even throw insults at specific reporters, therefore the reason for many of the reporter's obvious dislike for him.
I will admit that MSNBC tends to lean left, but on the other hand, Fox News is at the moment, way to the right of most sources. I imagine when Sinclair Broadcasting begins their reign, Fox will seem neutral.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 3:32pm
@Flying Junior:
I’ve gotten to the point where I just say, “Go ahead and do it already.”
Even A Broken Clock Added Dec 1, 2017 - 4:22pm
Hope I've set off a good earworm. If a song or poem has good bones, I can do a decent job of pirating it.
 
I feel like saying "A pox on both your houses". The dysfunction of both parties in Congress led us to the point where a self-obsessed pinhead could be elected President. Now they are having to live down to the reality. Yes, it is incredible, but the party in nominal control is providing the fix of applying a leech to the revenue side of the budget and hoping that the bleeding will save the patient.
Bill H. Added Dec 1, 2017 - 5:06pm
 
Trickle down was tried before on several occasions and we all saw the result.
Leroy Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:49pm
And yet he has accomplished more than O in less than one year.  Oh!  How can that be?  Your worst nightmare must be an improving economy.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 1, 2017 - 11:56pm
@Leroy:
What has he accomplished?
Bill H. Added Dec 2, 2017 - 1:21am
I would ask the same.
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:54am
EABC - a great piece of writing. I greatly enjoyed it.
There is something wrong with a system that produces two unelectable people to chose from and then proceeds to elect the most unelectable of the two.
Trump is creating a mixture of disbelief, outrage and scorn in Europe. They think he is a dangerous buffoon. It certainly has diminished the standing of America.
Maureen Foster Added Dec 2, 2017 - 5:12am
I think Trump is far more professional than Obama.  Only a flippant amateur would release hardened terrorists for an American military deserter.  Seeing the whole country is interested in what the president thinks about the news of the day, I think it’s great he provides access to those thoughts.  Can you name one thing that’s actually worse since Trump became president? 
 
Don’t say “race relations,” it was under Obama’s watch we had all those riots.
 
Don’t say “the economy,” take a look at the stock market.
 
Don’t say “partisan rancor,” it was just as bad while Obama was president. 
 
What can you say?
wsucram15 Added Dec 2, 2017 - 8:47am
OMG..this is hysterical. 
Maureen..you are entitled to your opinion.  Thanks.
Leroy..what you are seeing is because of Obama at least in the jobs area.  Trump has not had the opportunity to impact that market yet.  In fact much of what he show ponied at the beginning of his term is now defunct.
I will give him the credit for the rise in the market, why not?  Its all Wall Street.
The newest legislation is going to hurt more than it helps, not right away but it will.  Lets see how it plays out.  If you dont make A LOT of money you will feel the burn within the next two years. Except for a handful of states and parts of the bill may not be legal since my understanding is some states get credits while others do not.  But it was amended at 12-1 am so I am not quite sure of the changes yet.
 
We'll see.
Dino Manalis Added Dec 2, 2017 - 8:47am
People and businesses are hopeful, the economy seems to be strengthening and the Senate passed tax cuts last night.  Fewer regulations help, too,  and the GDP has picked up to over 3%.  Much remains to be done, but Trump is learning and improving, it's about time Democrats start working with the president, a former Democrat.  We should be talking with the Russians in pursuit of world peace and stability!
wsucram15 Added Dec 2, 2017 - 8:48am
Gotta saqy this again..new meaning to the Grinch...awesome writing.  :) :)
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 2, 2017 - 8:58am
@Maureen Foster:
”I think Trump is far more professional than Obama.”
 
Really?  Huh?
 
“Seeing the whole country is interested in what the president thinks about the news of the day, I think it’s great he provides access to those thoughts.”
 
Sure.  So, when he lies his ass off and his staff has to run around behind him to clean it up, when he tweets things that look like policy decisions and his staff have to run around behind him to explain that it wasn’t or when he insults leaders of other countries and damages relations with them, you think that’s great?
 
“Can you name one thing that’s actually worse since Trump became president?”
 
Race relations.

“Don’t say “race relations,” it was under Obama’s watch we had all those riots.”
 
Sorry, already did.  

“Don’t say “the economy,” take a look at the stock market.”
 
The Dow Jones Industrial sat under 6500 when Obama took office.  When Obama left office it was at 20,000.  Obama saw an increase of over 11,000,000 jobs during his presidency.

“Don’t say “partisan rancor,” it was just as bad while Obama was president.”
 
Partisan rancor increased when the Tea Party flooded the House in 2010.  They had no interest in compromise.  John Boehner, the old Republican Speaker of the House, said in an article I read recently that he, the Democratic Party leadership and Obama worked out a very good bipartisan bill on taxes and welfare reform in 2011.  Boehner talked his party into voting for it.  The bill was getting ready to be introduced when the Tea Party faction broke away and leaked the details.  This made Republicans shy away and state they would not vote for it.  With the Republican majority in the house there was no way the bill could pass.  Both Obama and the Democrats felt betrayed, having eaten up a lot of political capitol to get as far as they did.
 
It cracks me up when the Republican Party whines that the Democratic Party plays the opposition party, that’s all they did for eight years.

“What can you say?”
 
I say Trump sucks. 
wsucram15 Added Dec 2, 2017 - 9:16am
Touche' Jeffrey..whoooo hoo!!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 2, 2017 - 9:20am
Why, thank you, wsucram15.  BTW, like you I saw that the Senate got their act together last night and actually passed their version of a tax bill last night.
 
I bet the Koch brothers are so pleased.
George N Romey Added Dec 2, 2017 - 10:50am
The tax bill will only hasten the decline of the middle and upper middle class:
wsucram15 Added Dec 2, 2017 - 10:51am
I know right? I should have been there to fight this. Not that it would have done any good, but I should have been in DC all week.  My Congressman's office even called me.  I did what I could from home but I do better when I am there.  Just too much with the fire and going back and forth with my grandkids, getting stuff re-routed and ready for Christmas and being at the far away hotel I am staying at.
 
The bill they passed was not the tax bill in writing but the amended bill written by hand. Also some of the things are questionable that were proposed for us. Lets see what happens.  
Anyway...Here you go..a jingle for you about the Koch bros-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbykzqJ6ens

 
Even A Broken Clock Added Dec 2, 2017 - 11:27am
Thanks, everyone, for your comments. As for Maureen's comments, many of you have already provided good responses. Let me add a few more comments on how things have gotten worse.
 
As was noted, America's standing in the world has taken a serious decline. Though the Trump true supporters in the US applaud Trump's outspoken use of the Twitter platform, this weeks retweeting of the videos from the far right group in Britain invoked severe rebukes from our closest ally. That is symptomatic of the decline in the standing of America, and is definitely worse than before.
 
The effectiveness of our diplomatic efforts has declined precipitously since Trump replaced Obama. Donald Trump believes he alone can provide the guidance to the rest of the world, so we don't need ambassadors, we don't need specialists in the State Department, we don't need to participate in treaties. This has not only gotten worse with Trump, it is a clear and present danger to the nation due to this amateur's bungling.
 
The understanding that science provides guidance on matters of policy has gotten worse with Trump. Donald Trump has surrounded himself with sycophants who share his disdain for science and his policies that he is implementing (or in most cases, reversing existing policy) are causing pollution to be worse, threatening endangered species with extinction, and all in the name of increased monetary profits.
 
I could go on and on with so many things where the transitory policies of Donald Trump have made things worse, but I don't want this to turn into a separate post.
 
Thanks for commenting though, Maureen. I appreciate your comment even if I agree with none of its statements.
Even A Broken Clock Added Dec 2, 2017 - 11:31am
Jeannie - that is a great parody! I don't put much of anything on Facebook but that is going on my own page.
Tubularsock Added Dec 2, 2017 - 11:33am
Even A Broken Clock, an excellent piece of work! Depressing for sure but if the shoe fits and it does.
 
Tubularsock believes that we got what we as a people deserved. In order for a nation to only have two desperately dysfunctional individuals be presented as possible leaders just shows how low in the barrel we are floating.
 
This is all just a reflection of our society and its decline.
 
And the amazing thing is that THERE IS NO ONE on the political horizon who even looks like a possible candidate for the future. And maybe that only shows us .... there isn’t a future!
wsucram15 Added Dec 2, 2017 - 11:41am
EABC...I know I love that little song.  I put it up now and again on twitter. It will go up again today.  Those nazis are going to destroy the US. They really are.
 
HEY I HAVE A QUESTION..SINCE TRUMP AND TEAM BYPASSED THE LOGAN ACT AND  No one is GOING TO PROSECUTE ON THAT, WHY ISNT SOMEONE ELSE MOVING ON  OUR ALLIES, EITHER FROM CONGRESS OR THE PEOPLE?
They were private citizens..why not? 
George N Romey Added Dec 2, 2017 - 11:50am
I agree that we may be in for 8 years of Trump. Both parties serve up nothing more than whorish corporate shrills. At least Trump provides cheap entertainment for the masses that increasingly no longer have enough disposable money for a movie or football ticket.
Leroy Added Dec 2, 2017 - 12:16pm
"Leroy..what you are seeing is because of Obama at least in the jobs area.  Trump has not had the opportunity to impact that market yet."
 
I remember the election between Bush the Senior and Clinton.  Bush made the stupid comment that the economy was improving but that we didn't know it yet.  Shortly after the election and before Clinton assumed the presidency, the numbers starting showing improvement.  The MSM credited Clinton.  When asked how that might be, it was said that the economy was improving based on the expectations of a Clinton administration.   Say what you want, but Trump is the president and the economy is showing signs of improvement.  You can argue whether or not it is real, but it is by the same standard under O.  Trump gets the credit.
 
"I will give him the credit for the rise in the market, why not?  Its all Wall Street."
 
Actually, I do give O credit for that. The cash giveaway to Wallstreet has been highly successful for the rich.  I give Trump credit for trying to change it.

"The newest legislation is going to hurt more than it helps, not right away but it will.  Lets see how it plays out." 
 
Sometimes the best government is the one that does the least.  Clinton got little done when the Republicans were in power.  It had a lot to do with his success.  I am not optimistic that I will feel any relief, but, on the surface, it does appear that it is a tremendous benefit to the middle-class.  It is not so advantageous to the rich and, in particular, to the blue states (or should I say blue cities) where it tends to make the rich pay a little more.  Hopefully, it puts the final dagger into ObamaCare.
 
We are witnessing a rare moment in history where the parties have reached an inflection point.  The Democrat party once was the party of the rich and the party of the rich slave owners.  It morphed into the party of victimhood and came to represent the downtrodden.  Now, it has moved on to be the party of Wallstreet, again the party of the rich, the new slave owners.  Yes, tax reform might hurt the high-income people and especially the Wallstreet bankers.  That is why the Democratic party is howling over the tax reform.  It is the blue states/cities that will be hurt.  Musk will be punished as well.  It might well spell the end of Tesla as we know it.  He can no longer depend on government handouts (as long as the credits have not been reinstated).  His credit is running dry.  He hasn't performed even with government subsidies.
Leroy Added Dec 2, 2017 - 12:30pm
"What has he accomplished?"
 
Quite a lot, actually. 
 
1. The nomination and installation of conservative federal court judges and, in particular, one Supreme Court judge.  The impact will sting the Democrats for decades.  If he gets to nominate two or three more Supreme Court Judges as will likely be the case, his impact will be felt for forty years.  That's a serious accomplishment, although it might not be the direction that you prefer.
2. The economy.  You can argue all you want, but the numbers show improvement and it is happening under Trump's watch.
3. Regain in respect across the globe.  You can say the opposite, but all one has to do is look at the reception he has been given by the Chinese, Indians, and the Middle East.  Europe is not on board.  It pretty much embraces the same self-destructive notions as our left, so it is understandable.
4. The Deep State is the only thing preventing better relations with Russia.  I have great hopes that cooperation with Russia will lessen the tensions across the globe.
5. He's come the closest to resolving the issue with the Norks.
6. He's ended many burdensome regulations.
7. Tax reform.
8. End of the Caliphate aspirations
9. Syria
10. Afganistan
 
That's my short list.
wsucram15 Added Dec 2, 2017 - 2:05pm
EABC...Trump is in NYC today and received a very unwelcome reception by a very LARGE crowd chanting "lock him up".  Its going to get worse..the marches planned are enormous.  2/3 of the country wants nothing to do with him...I dont care what anyone on here says, I talk to republicans who dont like him.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:05pm
@Leroy:
”1. The nomination and installation of conservative federal court judges and, in particular, one Supreme Court judge. The impact will sting the Democrats for decades. If he gets to nominate two or three more Supreme Court Judges as will likely be the case, his impact will be felt for forty years. That's a serious accomplishment, although it might not be the direction that you prefer.”
 
It isn’t. Essentially he’s ended diversity with his nominations. He’s also basically allowing the Heritage Foundation to do his dirty work for him, he’s put into place some judges that are highly unqualified and some of his nominees have some rather personal things in their background that are troubling.
 
Also, with conservative judges it’s more likely (though not a certainty) that repressive voter laws and things like gerrymandering will remain in place. I don’t know about you but restricting the voting franchise is a bad way to run a Democracy.
 
“2. The economy. You can argue all you want, but the numbers show improvement and it is happening under Trump's watch.”
 
Actually, all of those good numbers are lingering from the Obama Administration. We need to give Trump through his first year to see what his effect will be. I’ll give him credit for the impressive run by the stock market.
 
“3. Regain in respect across the globe. You can say the opposite, but all one has to do is look at the reception he has been given by the Chinese, Indians, and the Middle East.”

:)
Sure.
The Chinese are busy playing him like a fiddle so of course they will like him.
 
“Europe is not on board. It pretty much embraces the same self-destructive notions as our left, so it is understandable.”
 
Actually Europe is annoyed with the fact that Thump is tossing out years of hard work and decade old alliances.
 
BTW, that little quip about the left was funny, Leroy. I liked the fact that it was kinda understated so it took a sec to get it.
 
“4. The Deep State is the only thing preventing better relations with Russia.”
 
So, it’s cool with you that the Russians interfered with the election? That’s a funny thing for someone on the right to think, I thought you guys were more patriotic.

Or is your patriotism fluid, like your religious beliefs?
 
“I have great hopes that cooperation with Russia will lessen the tensions across the globe.”
 
I actually agree with you but Putin needs to put an end to Russia’s interference in other country’s elections, stop the aggression in the Ukraine and generally behave. It would also help if he would stop being such a repressive force in his own country, I think the Russians suffered enough of such things under centuries of rule by the Czars and decades of rule by the Communists.
 
“5. He's come the closest to resolving the issue with the Norks.”
 
Aren’t “norks” the Australian slang term for breasts? That’s.....a little weird, Leroy.
 
I’m just messing with you, Leroy. Yes, ratcheting up tensions in the region with someone who has nuclear weapons is a sure fire way for the world to come to an end. Well, silver lining, it would mean that Trump wouldn’t finish his first term.
 
To paraphrase Monty Python, always look on the bright side of life, Leroy. Words to live by.
 
“6. He's ended many burdensome regulations.”
 
Thus setting the table for the next depression.
“7. Tax reform.”
 
I’m looking forward to my extra hundred bucks per month....while the Koch Brothers make out like bandits. Well, the rich need that extra money for....something. It’s sure as hell isn’t to reinvest in the economy.
 
“8. End of the Caliphate aspirations”
 
The Caliphate hit a wall in 2015 and started to tank in 2016.....under the previous administration. Kinda weird for a dude who was accused of being a closet Muslim....what do I know, I don’t watch Infowars or read Breitbart.
 
“9. Syria”
 
Well, collusion does have its rewards.
 
“10. Afghanistan”
 
BTW, my spellcheck corrected you.
Hey, aren’t we sending more troops there?
 
Leroy Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:43pm
"BTW, my spellcheck corrected you."
 
1. It is not surprising that you would prefer to see liberal judges.  Nevertheless, like it or not, it is an accomplishment.  We have Harry Reid the thank for the speedy approvals.
 
2. See my previous comment.
 
3. He does have respect with the countries that matter.
 
4. We mess with them.  They mess with us.  There is a good chance that we hacked ourselves and planted Russian fingerprints (figuratively).  So, are you saying the Republicans shouldn't try to work with the Democrats because the Democrats are a bunch of wackos?  Of course not.  There is nothing wrong with working with world governments to try to solve world problems, even if you have fundamental disagreements.  The US should try to solve problems with the Russians for the betterment of the world just as the Republicans should work together with Democrats in the best interest of the US, even if they are wackos.
 
I agree that all countries should stop interfering with other countries elections, such as what O did with the Brexit vote.  I think it is disgraceful how the Russians played the Democratic candidate for president.  How much did they bribe them with, $145 million? more? 
 
5. It's better than kicking the can down the road for our children to solve.  I wonder what the negative spin will be if he pulls a Nixon.
 
6. Why would removing senseless impediments to business lead to a depression?
 
7. Seems to me that the rich get penalized, especially the rich liberals.  That seems to be the issue with the Democrats.
 
8. It was going nowhere until Trump changed the rules of engagement.
 
9. Idem
 
10. Idem
 
Great.  Just what we need--another grammar queen :)
 
BTW, with my engineering degree, I received a free, lifetime license to butcher the English language of which I make liberal use.
 
 
Bill H. Added Dec 2, 2017 - 5:04pm
Looks like Trump's latest tweet concerning the Flynn issue may open up even more problems for Trump. He hadn't mentioned anything before about knowing that Flynn had lied to the FBI.
Leave it to Trump to sink his own boat via Twitter!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 2, 2017 - 5:38pm
@Leroy:
”1. It is not surprising that you would prefer to see liberal judges.”
 
I want to see a working Democracy.  Don’t you?  
 
“Nevertheless, like it or not, it is an accomplishment.”
 
Well, I guess ruining the judiciary for decades to come is a kind of accomplishment.
 
“We have Harry Reid the thank for the speedy approvals.”
 
That’s right we do......for being forced to break a partisan deadlock.
 
Look, I’m not blaming the Republican majority for doing it.  It makes sense.

“2. See my previous comment.”
 
What about it?  The numbers speak for themselves.  We need a year of “Trumpism” to see if it works or not.  If he adds 5.5 million jobs through his first four years then I’ll give him credit for it.  I give him credit for the current high number on the stock market.

“3. He does have respect with the countries that matter.”
 
LOL, he does?  Europe doesn’t matter?  Well, that’s surprising.
China doesn’t respect him.

“4. We mess with them. They mess with us.”
 
I don’t care about, I worry about what they do this country.  Because I’m a patriot, Leroy.  You aren’t?
 
“There is a good chance that we hacked ourselves and planted Russian fingerprints (figuratively).”
 
LOL, you’ve been watching to much Infowars, Leroy.  Maybe the ghost of Kennedy did it.  Or Adolf Hitler.  Maybe lizard people from the 8th dimension.
 
“So, are you saying the Republicans shouldn't try to work with the Democrats because the Democrats are a bunch of wackos?”
 
The only whacko I see is currently infesting the White House, Leroy.  Well, and the Trumplings that support him.
 
“There is nothing wrong with working with world governments to try to solve world problems, even if you have fundamental disagreements.”
 
Sure....as long as it doesn’t involve blatant interference that interferes with our or anyone else’s basic democratic process, Leroy.  Putin needs to stand down and start working with instead of interfering with countries.  
 
“The US should try to solve problems with the Russians for the betterment of the world”
 
Not if involves bending over without Putin at least buying us dinner first.  After all, that’s only polite.
 
“just as the Republicans should work together with Democrats”
 
So, don’t you think the Republicans should have worked with the Democrats during the last administration, Leroy?  For the betterment of the country?  Or is that only a one way street?
 
So, does working with Democrats involve letting them help with drafting legislation?  Or letting them read it before trying to ramrod it down their throats?  Or are the Democrats supposed to meekly sit there like good little boys and girls?
 
“in the best interest of the US, even if they are wackos.”
 
I know that the Republicans are whackos, Leroy.  After all, they gave us the Trump.

“I agree that all countries should stop interfering with other countries elections, such as what O did with the Brexit vote.”
 
LOL, so, a President expressing an opinion about something is interfering? Look, had Putin simply left an endorsement of Trump on the table I would’ve been fine with it.  Expressing a wish is not interference and Obama was only one of many that did so, including many world leaders.  In the end it didn’t matter.
 
 
“I think it is disgraceful how the Russians played the Democratic candidate for president. How much did they bribe them with, $145 million? more?”
 
Um, did you mean to say “paid?”  Look, I’m not a grammar Nazi....I wouldn’t be a Nazi of any stripe, after all, I’m planted on the left end of the political spectrum.....but “played” doesn’t make sense in that context.


“5. It's better than kicking the can down the road for our children to solve.”
 
If Trump starts a war then there won’t be a can, roads or children to kick said can down said road.
 
“I wonder what the negative spin will be if he pulls a Nixon.”
 
If he manages to do what neither Democrat or Republican Presidents could do then I will applaud him for it.
 
Nixon, for all of his many, many, many......many X 20 faults, was an experienced politician who understood international politics.  He also had experienced people around him to help. The orange clown
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 2, 2017 - 5:50pm
Cont....
has so much turnover and turmoil in his administration it’s lucky Thud gets a schedule of his daily activities in the morning.  Or that he would read it.
 
“6. Why would removing senseless impediments to business lead to a depression?”
 
Leroy, what do you think Bush did during the first seven years of his presidency?  Why do you think we had the worst depression since the Great Depression?

“7. Seems to me that the rich get penalized, especially the rich liberals. That seems to be the issue with the Democrats.”
 
LOL, I think your spellcheck messed up again.  I think you meant to say “Koch Brothers” instead of “rich liberals” and “Republicans” instead of “Democrats.”

“8. It was going nowhere until Trump changed the rules of engagement.”
 
Oh, good grief.
Leroy, here is a timeline of US involvement in the war against ISIS.  I’m not going waste my time summarizing it for you:
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/timeline-us-policy-isis
Leroy Added Dec 2, 2017 - 5:59pm
Jeffrey, I never said you were a NAZI.  Wherever did you get that idea?
Leroy Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:02pm
"He hadn't mentioned anything before about knowing that Flynn had lied to the FBI.
Leave it to Trump to sink his own boat via Twitter!"
 
You're a little behind the times, Bill.  He fired him for lying to Pense.  It is only a small leap to know that he lied to the FBI.  Again, it is the triumph of hope over experience.
 
Did I make any mistakes, Jeffrey?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:10pm
I always get a bit frustrated when I have written an article and people don't comment or only comment the equivalent of 'huh?'.
 
I don't want to do this here. There is something that asks for more than 'huh?', I guess.
 
I guess the article is like a ride through the Trump presidency touching on stuff that EABC doesn't like....and a slew of insults, but that's okay (extra leeway for liberals).
 
I like that the shit poems are italic. It makes it easier to not read. Hm...can't speak about the interior policy stuff. I literally skip all articles that have to do with American interior politics in German media - which is 80% at least so they can avoid talking Merkel - so ....hm..... maybe some of it is right.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:33pm
@Leroy:
”Jeffrey, I never said you were a NAZI. Wherever did you get that idea?”
 
Well, I believe you called me a grammar queen.  The term I’ve always seen is “grammar Nazi.”  I’m neither one but my mind substituted “Nazi” for “queen.”
 
My apologies.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:34pm
Kelly: The Jerusalem thing is still a rumor. No wonder that CNN pointed you to it.
 
Nevertheless it would be great.
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:50pm
Maureen - you really think that a President tweeting fascist propaganda is professional?
Supporting the trophy hunting of endangered species is professional?
Calling foreign leaders derogatory names is professional?
Wow!!
We have a new definition of professional.
What we see from over here is a dumb, narcissistic buffoon who is behaving like a clown, throwing tantrums, telling blatant lies, and has brought America into disrepute.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 2, 2017 - 7:05pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”Kelly: The Jerusalem thing is still a rumor. No wonder that CNN pointed you to it.”
 
I also confirmed that through the “Times of Israel,” Benjamin.  A Greek Jew I’m friends with passed that along to me after I asked him about it.  Do you have any issues with that publication?
 
It hasn’t happened...not yet, anyway.  The current Ambassador to Israel certainly favors the move.

“Nevertheless it would be great.”
 
No, it would not.
Bill H. Added Dec 2, 2017 - 10:28pm
 
A small leap??
He knew all along!
Buh-bye, Orange Buffoon!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 2, 2017 - 10:55pm
Kelly: I have a problem with all publications. Let's skip the story ignoring rumor mill CNN conversation.
 
What's the problem with it? Only because its raw meat for his Jewish base (remarkable that the reincarnation of Hitler tries to please his Jewish base - Hitler ain't what he used to be)? How would your life even be changed if gays married ... eh... capitals were correctly recognised as such?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 12:23am
@Benajmin Goldstein:
”What's the problem with it?”
 
It will force the Muslim countries around Israel to condemn the action, the same with the UN.  I say it’s a given that terrorist activities will increase around the city, forcing the Israelis to react.  This will increase the possibility that the IDF will commit atrocities against the Muslim population.
 
The various terrorist groups around the area will use it as a new point in their recruitment efforts.  I can see funding and support increasing for these various groups from the various Muslim governments in the region because public opinion will force some type of response.  
 
The short answer is that it will add a further destabilizing factor to an already unstable region.  It will force the more moderate Muslim governments to sever their official and unofficial contacts with the Israeli government.
 
It will also further isolate the US from its European allies.
 
I’m sure I'm missing something.
 
“Only because its raw meat for his Jewish base (remarkable that the reincarnation of Hitler tries to please his Jewish base - Hitler ain't what he used to be)?”
 
If Netanyahu has any common sense (that'll be the day), he’ll contact Thump and tell him to leave it.
 
“How would your life even be changed if gays married ... eh... “
 
Huh?  What does that have to do with anything?
 
“capitals were correctly recognised as such?”
 
Israel already has an internationally recognized capital, it’s called Tel Aviv.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 3, 2017 - 3:46am
Kelly:
It will force the Muslim countries around Israel to condemn the action, the same with the UN.
Two components:
1) The US seeing Jerusalem as the capital forces Muslim countries to condem it. Huh?!?
2) The UN will vote against the veto power USA
 
terrorist activities will increase
...in Jerusalem because the US does something. So are you saying that groups who are violent should be catered to no matter how logical their ambitions are? Should the fist replace the argument? If so we all should agree on it, be more violent and kill off this Hamas/Fatah/Hizbollah garbage.
 
possibility that the IDF will commit atrocities against the Muslim population.
The IDF is famous for killing civilians wantonly. They also eat Palestinian children. It's all true.
 
I can see funding and support increasing...
They all hold back right now. They would need a better argument for more violence. It's all true.
 
...because public opinion ....
So are you saying that irrational, violent terror supporter types are not a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny minority among Muslims? Oops.
 
force the more moderate Muslim governments to sever their official and unofficial contacts with the Israeli government.
What forces? Why am I not "forced" to kill government officials until they change immigration laws?
 
It will also further isolate the US from its European allies.
What a hogwash. There is no isolation of the US. And if making Jerusalem would piss off all these antisemites in Europe, so be it!
 
Jerusalem is Israel's capital. And how would your life change if your government papers reflect that?
 
 
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 8:21am
Benjamin
It may be the "capital" of Israel, but most government and business is done in Tel Aviv for practical purposes. Current US policy dictates Tel Aviv as the capital- honestly why we decide this is beyond me.   Control I suppose. 
However, right now, Trump is said to be deciding that Jerusalem will be capital and positioning embassy in Tel Aviv.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 3, 2017 - 8:33am
wsucram15 No, most government departments are in Jerusalem, so is the parliament. Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv, is the capital. Washington, not New York, is the capital of the US. A majority is not always right.
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 10:24am
Talk to Mattis then..it was is testimony.  Ill stick with him thanks.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 10:54am
@Benjamin Goldstein:
 
”It will force the Muslim countries around Israel to condemn the action, the same with the UN.
Two components:
“1) The US seeing Jerusalem as the capital forces Muslim countries to condem it. Huh?!?”
 
The key is recognition, Benjamin.  Not “seeing.”
If the US “recognizes” Jerusalem as the Israeli capital by moving its embassy there it will essentially end any future negotiations over the city’s status, at least as far the US is concerned.  
 
“2) The UN will vote against the veto power USA”
 
?

“terrorist activities will increase
...in Jerusalem because the US does something.”
 
Yes.
 
“So are you saying that groups who are violent should be catered to no matter how logical their ambitions are?”
 
No.
 
“Should the fist replace the argument?”
 
No.
 
”If so we all should agree on it, be more violent and kill off this Hamas/Fatah/Hizbollah garbage.”
 
OK.

“possibility that the IDF will commit atrocities against the Muslim population.
The IDF is famous for killing civilians wantonly. They also eat Palestinian children. It's all true.”
 
You said it, not me.

“I can see funding and support increasing...
They all hold back right now. They would need a better argument for more violence. It's all true.”
 
That’s right.  It’s good we agree on this.

“...because public opinion ....
So are you saying that irrational, violent terror supporter types are not a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny minority among Muslims? Oops.”
 
Why did you type “oops?”  Did you spill something on yourself?

“force the more moderate Muslim governments to sever their official and unofficial contacts with the Israeli government.
What forces? Why am I not "forced" to kill government officials until they change immigration laws?”
 
Is that something you want to do??????

“It will also further isolate the US from its European allies.
What a hogwash. There is no isolation of the US. And if making Jerusalem would piss off all these antisemites in Europe, so be it!”
 
Well, that’s a rational position to take.  It’s good to make far-reaching political decisions on emotional reaction.

“Jerusalem is Israel's capital. And how would your life change if your government papers reflect that?”
 
You’re right.  In fact, I don’t know why I care at all.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:29am
will essentially end any future negotiations
Why should it? Are Arabs economically and militarily independent then? Why would an embassy upset people more than, say, the Iraq war? Why would there be not a way for Arabs to change their minds? Do you believe in the Arab culture?
 
A UN condemnation is a vote in the security council. The US has a veto right.
 
You’re right.  In fact, I don’t know why I care at all.
I'm skipping some of your responses above because they are too short to understand what position you hold.
 
And I realize that you don't mean the quoted bit exactly verbatim. But you kinda open the door a bit to address a possible misunderstanding. I'm turning this around in my mind for some time. So it's just a theory. I think it could explain why you feel that I'm after you all the time.
 
I basically think we are psychologically two different types. I just make the categories:
Type A: leader type/rebel type/outcast
Type B: follower type
 
Because the word leader is too glossy it is often associated with superior. I don't mean that. I also don't mean that type A is more intelligent. In fact both types are independent of intelligence. More women tend to be B, but B is also the majority of men. We are tribal.
 
What strikes me in conversations with people on the left (AND some on the right) is that arguments of the form 'from A follows B' are never made during an entire discussion. This is what drives Type A individuals crazy. So they start asking, bordering on harrassment. 
 
But here is the thing. Type B can in different conversations argue 'from A follows B'. They just happen to be topics where the individual actually holds the position of his leadership/peers. The individual has then arrived by himself at the conclusion that is also professed by his group. It is easier to argue for a position one holds.
 
I believe you like holocaust debates because you arrived on your own at the position that the holocaust happened. You are comfortable there. You become instantly logical.
 
In everyday life, Type B arrives at most of his daily positions on his own. Type B is in praxis, in everyday decisions, just as rational as type A.
 
The last argument from wsucram15 is
Talk to Mattis then..it was is testimony.  Ill stick with him thanks.
Reliance on a leader replaces the argument here too. Again this is fine. It is just also the reason why type A individuals (mis)understand type B individuals as authoritarian.
 
 
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:56am
Damn..I just gave you a reference where I got the quote I used from. Assume much? Only stupid people assume things especially about people they do not know.  Its always been my advantage.
 
 Take the classification shit somewhere else. 
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 1:13pm
EABC..I posted this on Twitter...it was too good not to.  It just was. 
I will remove the content if you like..but its just the poem with your blog.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 1:24pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”will essentially end any future negotiations
Why should it? Are Arabs economically and militarily independent then? Why would an embassy upset people more than, say, the Iraq war? Why would there be not a way for Arabs to change their minds?”
 
You don’t see the issues? Or, do you see them and dismiss them?

“Do you believe in the Arab culture?”
 
I don’t get your point.
 
“A UN condemnation is a vote in the security council. The US has a veto right.”
 
Sure. But, the UN will still make a condemnation public even if it is not passed. There will be news releases about it so even if it is not passed as a resolution the language will still make it out.
 
“You’re right. In fact, I don’t know why I care at all.
I'm skipping some of your responses above because they are too short to understand what position you hold.”
 
Do you actually want me to explain myself better?
 
“And I realize that you don't mean the quoted bit exactly verbatim. But you kinda open the door a bit to address a possible misunderstanding. I'm turning this around in my mind for some time. So it's just a theory. I think it could explain why you feel that I'm after you all the time.”
 
You have my full, undivided attention....for about a minute. Then I have stuff I need to get to.

“I basically think we are psychologically two different types. I just make the categories:
Type A: leader type/rebel type/outcast
Type B: follower type”
 
Going by what you wrote below, you are the “A,” I am the “B.”
 
“Because the word leader is too glossy it is often associated with superior. I don't mean that. I also don't mean that type A is more intelligent. In fact both types are independent of intelligence. More women tend to be B, but B is also the majority of men. We are tribal.
What strikes me in conversations with people on the left (AND some on the right) is that arguments of the form 'from A follows B' are never made during an entire discussion. This is what drives Type A individuals crazy. So they start asking, bordering on harrassment.”
 
Well, you seem to have figured out what your problem is.
 
“But here is the thing. Type B can in different conversations argue 'from A follows B'. They just happen to be topics where the individual actually holds the position of his leadership/peers. The individual has then arrived by himself at the conclusion that is also professed by his group. It is easier to argue for a position one holds.”
 
OK.
“I believe you like holocaust debates because you arrived on your own at the position that the holocaust happened. You are comfortable there. You become instantly logical.”
 
OK.
 
“In everyday life, Type B arrives at most of his daily positions on his own. Type B is in praxis, in everyday decisions, just as rational as type A.”
 
Fascinating.
OK, so, I’ll just address this in one go:
 
I have been both follower and leader, depending on the circumstances. I think most people do this, though you may find some people more inclined to either. I also dislike ready made classifications because to me it’s too easy, it allows for no nuances of personality or circumstances.
 
For example, there is this annoying thing at work (and other places) to assign personality types as “colors,” blue, orange, etc. I play along with this because I have to but it irks me every time I’m forced to play along. I’m not a “color,” I’m a person and depending on the circumstances or what I’m feeling at the time I can move all along this “color” spectrum.
 
So, really, to me, your classification of me is irrelevant, primarily because you don’t know me personally. You only know what I’ve shown you in my comments and the articles I’ve written. There are whole facets of me that I don’t discuss here, either because I’ve chosen not to reveal them and may in the future or I figure it’s no one else’s business except for my own. I think the people that write here do the same, choosing what they will talk about versus what they won’t.
 
So, times up. I’ve got some other things I need to do now.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 3, 2017 - 1:38pm
Jeff: Alright. Categories are of course fuzzy and I sure as hell wouldn't assign you colours. Of course the types only reflect debates about public affairs.
I also only give three things away male, Jewish, German. Anything else is private.
I will leave the other points with the UN and so because you wouldn't have time anyway.
Even A Broken Clock Added Dec 3, 2017 - 5:57pm
Jeanne - thanks for the retweet. I've avoided using twitter myself but more exposure is good.
 
Jeffry and Benjamin - very interesting discussion. It is amazing where some of these discussions can go after they start out with the topic of an original post. Jeffry, one thing I would say about one of your comments. You say that you have not revealed much of yourself via this forum. I would say that each of us who actively participates in posting and commenting do indeed reveal much of their inner nature. It is the external image of our everyday lives that most of us do not reveal. And some of us even reveal more (I'm thinking about the latest post from Wendy about her life).
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 6:07pm
EABC:
Yes, we do reveal much of ourselves.  But, I think some are more open than others, we all set internal boundaries that we don’t cross.
Leroy Added Dec 8, 2017 - 5:53pm
Record low unemployment for manufacturing.
Record low unemployment for Hispanics.
Seventeen-year low unemployment rate.
2.2 Million jobs added since the election.
228,000 non-farm payroll jobs added in November.
 
I don't know if the #NeverTrump crowd can stand it if the American people keep winning.   With lower business taxes, Trump just might accomplish what he said he would do.  I haven't been this optimistic for a long, long time.  I'm out of the workforce by no choice of my own, and I keep having people calling me wanting to work.  Ok.  It has only been two calls but neither was solicited.  I'm told that they just can fill the positions with qualified people.
 
Maybe a lunatic is just what we need.  Looks like you #NeverTrumpers need to find another tactic.
Even A Broken Clock Added Dec 9, 2017 - 11:27am
Leroy, you are correct that the economy has continued the expansion that began early in 2009. It has been a slow and steady increase during that time. Donald Trump has presided over the last 11 months of this monolithic increase. Asserting that all of this is due to his policies is assuming just a bit much, I believe.
 
Sorry that you had not had success in getting hired again, and hope you are able to get back into the workforce. But I seriously question the beneficial boost to employment that will come out of the repatriation of foreign money and the lowered corporate tax rates and the elimination of depreciation periods for equipment purchases (has anyone seen whether buildings will have reduced depreciation periods?). My own expectation is that 80-90% of all corporate cash savings will go to debt repayment, increased stock dividends, and stock buyback. Then you can look at the remainder of the cash that will be spent on domestic growth, and realize that you are paying for that growth by $150 billion per year of foregone tax revenues. Pretty expensive growth.
 
We seriously needed tax reform and simplification. But what we got was a half-assed, scribbled in the margins bill that will keep lawyers and accountants in business for many years to come, but will barely touch real growth in the US economy.
wsucram15 Added Dec 9, 2017 - 11:51am
EABC...Rah Rah!!!  Hey January 20th..come on out in a city near you.

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