Huge Success for Trump!!!

Huge Success for Trump!!!

Trump has successfully reduced taxes and given a massive pay hike to all the rich and wealthy and corporations – like himself!!

 

Great news for the rich!!  Fabulous job!!

 

Where’s the money coming from??

 

Well by giving huge amounts of money to the rich the economy is stimulated! They wouldn’t dream of stashing their loot away offshore would they? They won’t spend it on themselves! They will invest it in the economy! The economy will grow and that will pay for it.

 

The rich will get much richer and invest.

 

Of course they will.

 

So that’s good news then. The poor or middle class people won’t be donating to the wealthy will they? Public services will not have to be cut, will they? There will be no extra borrowing of a trillion or two?? And Trump, or his rich business chums and politicians, will not benefit at all, will they??

 

What good news!!

 

Ever feel duped???

Comments

opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:09pm
Sometimes I despair at the gullibility of people. Are we back to trickle down? Isn't that searching for spare change down the back of the sofa in order to buy a loaf?
Tubularsock Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:22pm
No op, we are NOT down to trickle down again. This tax bill is called a Full-Stream and the gullible will view it as working because when they are pissed on this hard they'll start to "eat the yellow snow"!
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:30pm
Tub - and we all know that the yellow snow has more nutrients than the white snow. They should be grateful!
Bill Kamps Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:30pm
opher, I dont understand your point.  You sound as though the voters are in favor of the tax bill, voted for it, and are therefore ignorant of its contents.  Not true.  I have not seem any examination of the tax plan that doesnt conclude what you have concluded, it is a good plan for the rich and powerful.  That is who runs out country, as well as all the other countries.  Why shouldnt the tax plan benefit those who run the country? why should anyone be surprised?
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 3:41pm
Bill - I'm not surprised at all. The rich and powerful support the rich and powerful. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. That'll go on until the poor have had enough. What is surprising about that?
The only thing that is surprising to me is that many of the poor still support the billionaire who is feathering his own nest.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 2, 2017 - 4:15pm
opher, humans are able to hold and support competing ideas in their brain simultaneously.   They want more government services, and they want lower taxes.  People want more jobs, but hate corporations.  People like Trump and Putin but dont like what they do and stand for.  On one level it makes no sense, and on another level it all makes perfect sense.
 
My point is that no one has been "duped" by the tax bill.  The only people that say this is good for the average person are the people in Congress, and every voter knows better than the believe them. 
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 4:26pm
Bill - I take your point. But I bet you that there are a lot of poor and middle class Americans who have fallen for it and still think that tax cuts for the rich is a good idea.
Boy have they been duped.
Perhaps this cynical approach by the Republicans will have an impact on the voting patterns later. If they haven't been duped they'll vote the selfish and greedy out of office.
Dino Manalis Added Dec 2, 2017 - 4:42pm
The House and Senate still have to mend their differences and come up with final legislation they will have to vote on again.  The whole point is to cut business taxes, the Senate version actually raises taxes on the wealthy.Trump hopes to sign the final version by Christmas.  Many people and businesses are expecting tax cuts.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:06pm
Bill "Mein" Kamp sez: as though the voters are in favor of the tax bill, voted for it, and are therefore ignorant of its contents.  Not true.-Oh, that's right it was the 3-5 million illegal immigrants that elected the clown car squad into office with "their guy" touting "tax reform" and "helping them out" so they did indirectly vote for it.  The same group hasn't been screaming at those they've elected, either. So, yup....ignorant, but not just of specific content. It was allowed to happen virtually unchallenged.
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:15pm
Dino - so the wealthy won't get a huge Christmas present!! What a drag!! They'll have to wait for New Year!! I bet that makes them mad!!
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:17pm
Jeff - those immigrants want the rich to be happy! They are very religious; they want the wealthy to have a happy Christmas. It is the time of giving. They work in the fields all day so that they can give more to the elite. Salt of the earth.
Leroy Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:33pm
Where were you, Opher, when O was giving money to Wall Street via QE?  Unless you were able to heavily invest in the stock market, you lost out.  The rich got richer under O.  The policies started by O continue today because every time they try to raise rates, the market declines.  It was O that got us into this situation.  The rich continue to get richer.
 
Who knows what will happen with the new tax plan.  On the surface, it greatly expands the standard and child deductions?  How is that for the high-income earners?  The plan, the last I heard, was to eliminate the state and local tax (SALT) deductions.  The rich are the only ones that will exceed the standard deduction, so, it seems to me that they will pay more taxes. 
 
I'm skeptical.  Every time there is a tax cut, for some reason it never applies to me, except under Reagan.  I did get a modest cut in taxes under Reagan.  I don't believe that it has any semblance to O where if you like your taxes you can keep them.  I think it will cut taxes of the middle class and small businesses.
opher goodwin Added Dec 2, 2017 - 6:39pm
Leroy - that's it - the rich get richer!! That's how it works. Both parties represent the rich. It's no wonder they get richer. It is just that sometimes it is more blatant than at others.
So instead of hiding it; put it upfront. Give them big tax breaks. The Bahamas needs more money. Stuff the poor. Who cares for schools. What's the point of educating the masses. It just creates competition and makes them troublesome.
Give the rich what they deserve - everything!
George N Romey Added Dec 2, 2017 - 10:12pm
No worries the Fed can just foot the bill by buying treasuries with magic money. They’re already doing it now. Once you hit $20 trillion plus in debt you have to face the fact that it will never be repaid. Trump knows that so he’s doing another RR and Obama nearly doubling the debt. No one will care.
Bill H. Added Dec 2, 2017 - 10:41pm
Trump finally accomplished (almost) one of his goals, to make things better for his empire and his children at the expense of the American people (mostly his voter base). The elimination of the estate tax is a godsend for his kids (saving them $564 million dollars). Also, he will greatly benefit due to a 25% rate for pass-through businesses, and repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax (saving Trump $31 million dollars).
As I have always said, it's all about him and not about us.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 3:51am
George - licence to print?? It's a shame that ordinary folk don't have the same facility. That would be nice wouldn't it?
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 4:03am
Bill - I'm quite shocked. You are not really suggesting that Don and his family will benefit from this legislation? That would surely be unethical. You'll be suggesting next that the senators will benefit from passing it.
Surely politics works for the good of the people?
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 4:03am

Trump finally accomplished (almost) one of his goals, to make things better for his empire and his children at the expense of the American people (mostly his voter base). The elimination of the estate tax is a godsend for his kids (saving them $564 million dollars). Also, he will greatly benefit due to a 25% rate for pass-through businesses, and repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax (saving Trump $31 million dollars).
As I have always said, it's all about him and not about us.
So it looks like this bit of legislation alone could net Trump and his family in excess of $600 million according to Bill.
I wonder if anyone has done any research on how much the various Senators stand to make out of this tax reform? I wonder who is going to pick up the tab for their swimming pools, yachts, condos and lifestyle?
Neelon Crawford Added Dec 3, 2017 - 5:03am
Much like the Democrats, the Republicans prefer a progressive tax system, meaning the more you make the higher percentage you pay.  Not to mention the fact the top rate will remain unchanged from what it was when Obama was in the White House.  In short, you should read what’s in the Bill before opining about the Bill. 
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 7:19am
Neelon - Ha Ha - when the rich stand to make a killing at the expense of the poor, no matter how you dress it up, it is immoral.
Do you deny that Trump and his family will personally make $600 million from this?
A progressive tax system for the Republicans means that the rich progress.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 3, 2017 - 8:03am
Wow, Jeff personal insults now.  I didnt vote for any of these people, so why the personal insults ?  So because I dont believe the politicians I am a member of Hitler's party?  How did you make that leap ?  Did I say the tax plan was a good idea? C'mon read what people write before you slam them.
 
Sure the politicians get elected because they make promises that cant be delivered.  I guess that is duping people if you will.  The problem is that there are no politicians that will do the right thing, so whomever you vote for, you are getting screwed.  
 
when the rich stand to make a killing at the expense of the poor, no matter how you dress it up, it is immoral.
 
opher, tell me when in history this wasnt happening ?  You can go back to the times of the pyramids, and things were always skewed towards the rich and powerful.
 
 
 
George N Romey Added Dec 3, 2017 - 8:17am
Trickle down doesn’t work. It will only blow a bigger hole in the deficit. Get ready for another doubling of the debt.
Leroy Added Dec 3, 2017 - 9:08am
There's the automatic assumption by the Trump haters that ANYTHING Trump does is bad and benefits only the rich.  We saw what O did.  It has only benefitted the rich, but anything that O did was good, according to the Trump haters.
 
The tax bill, if it does what it is supposed to do, will benefit small businesses.  That's a good thing!  It will reduce middle-class taxes.  That's a good thing!  It will eliminate the O penalty.  That's a good thing!  Plus, it will pay for about a third of the tax cuts.  It will make big business more competitive.  Together with removing overly burdensome regulations will be an enormous benefit to employers, which indirectly benefits you the employee.  What's not to like?
 
Would someone please tell me how this benefits the rich?  All I hear is that Trump must be opposed no matter what he does because that is what a liberal is supposed to do.
 
May I suggest that you Trump haters try to be at least a little bit objective.
 
How many mistakes did I make this time, Jeffrey, the grammar queen?
George N Romey Added Dec 3, 2017 - 9:16am
Leroy I give you Obama was a total loser. Want to blame someone for Trump, Obama number one culprit. Unless you were a Wall Street swindler.
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 10:20am
Leroy..on this point, Ill give you that on Obama.  HOWEVER, this was BAD. REALLY BAD..and it was done at the behest of Trump.
Its not completed yet, but pretty much.
But George..you cant blame Obama for Trump..he is his own monster.
 
Opher- the voter approval rating on this bill is (depending on the polling you rely on if any) somewhere between 25 and 36%.  Which leaves as usual the majority of the country pissed.  You would not believe the momentum in the last 24 hours against Trump and the republican party.   Right after Christmas I will be in both New York and DC for huge rallies (its cold out in January).  Yesterday Trump was in NYC and thousands of people greeted him with "Lock him up!"  (someone sent me the video).  Its going to be bad in DC as well.
This was a political move, it was strategic and since they voted on a unwritten bill..literally anything can happen now.  Anything.
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 10:23am
Ps I gave you a thumbs up..not Trump or the republicans in this instance.  Sneaky shits.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 3, 2017 - 10:44am
Did anybody expect that the riches suddenly get humanist ?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 3, 2017 - 10:46am
BTW there's no difference between Obama, Trump, Macron or Merkel or or or.
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:10am
Yes SEF..they are all the same.
Bill H. Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:15am
Trump is totally using his position to his advantage in many ways, aside from tax changes.
Here is (was) an example of using a State Department website to promote Mar-a-Lago,  (a privately owned business with membership fees) as the "Winter White House". This was an archive, and has since been taken down as you can see in the current link:
https://share.america.gov/mar-a-lago-winter-white-house/
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:17am
@Leroy:
”How many mistakes did I make this time, Jeffrey, the grammar queen?”
 
Wow, where’d that come from?  
 
Leroy, let it go.  I mentioned that my spellcheck corrected something of yours, that’s all.  Relax.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:31am
Politicians and CEO's are drug addicts for power and "importance". Otherwise it can't be explained that old men still grab any $ they can although they already can swim in it like Uncle Scrooge.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:46am
Bill - there have been examples of good governing that did not just suck up to the rich. The post-war Labour government brought in socialist policies that were great. They brought in the NHS and did a lot for the country.
We need people with the same idealistic zeal.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:46am
Leroy - I can't believe you can still support him.
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:59am
BillH..  Trump is doing EXACTLY what Putin did in his first electoral  year, its just taking Trump longer because of the resistance.   No one on here ever listens and then they come up with it later, but this guy is an autocrat.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 3, 2017 - 12:24pm
wsu, well Trump would like to be an autocrat.  The problem is that he cant make laws, the Congress does it.  It is also more difficult for Trump to ignore the Constitution than for Putin.  You saw what happened with the visa executive order, it gets taken to court and overturned.  When was the last time anything Putin wanted taken to court and overturned?
 
opher, there are of course degrees of sucking up to the rich.  But the tax code in the US was never written for the poor.  The rich get the big breaks, sometimes like the sugar tariff, for very tiny groups of the rich.  In fact the poor pay no income tax in the US, so it is pretty impossible to give them a tax break.  They do pay Social Security and Medicare tax, which is very regressive to the poor.
 
As wsu says, the tax bill is very unpopular with the voters.  You can say voters were duped by voting these people into office, but then we can say the same about Obamacare, where my insurance premium went up by almost 3x. 
 
Leroy, it is complex to say the tax bill will reduce middle class taxes. Complex because not everyone is treated the same.  Middle class in New York is treated much differently than middle class in Texas, because of the loss of the deductability of state and local taxes.  That is a big hit to most in the middle class in states with income taxes.  Some who run small businesses will benefit, but others not.  Like all tax changes some will benefit, some will lose.  While some in the middle class will benefit, nearly all the losers are in the middle class, while the rich will nearly all benefit.
 
 
Jeff Michka Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:11pm
Bill Kamp cries:Wow, Jeff personal insults now.  I didnt vote for any of these people, so why the personal insults ?-OH, SO YOU DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANYBODY IN OFFICE, EH?  Well someone did, and I believe those people are culpable. AND you say: Like all tax changes some will benefit, some will lose.-As long as it's the uberwealthy that win, it's okay?
Bill Kamps Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:16pm
Jeff, you need to stop putting words in my  mouth and start actually reading what people write.  Where do you get the idea that I like the current tax bill ?
 
As long as it's the uberwealthy that win, it's okay?  What shit, I never said this.
 
All politicians are crooks, and the tax bill benefits the rich.  How much clearer do I have to say it. 
 
No I have not voted in more than 10 years, so how can you accuse me of voting for these clowns?
George N Romey Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:27pm
Bill I’ve come to the conclusion voting for anyone in these 2 parties is useless. Ultimately Trump is taking credit for the same economy Obama did. Let’s see how this one works out for Trump in light of that,
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:32pm
Jeanne - I am amazed that 25%-36% actually support it - talk about lambs to the slaughter. He must be laughing his head off.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:33pm
Stone - they might be basically the same but there are certainly differences and nobody else is quite so crass or blatant about it. He's taking the piss.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:35pm
Bill H - it is the completely blatant way he is doing it that is so infuriating. He's taking everybody for mugs.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:36pm
Jeanne he is most definitely an autocrat. A dangerous man.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:37pm
I bet I know who will win and who will lose.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:38pm
George - you are assuming there will be a long-term.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 3, 2017 - 2:47pm
Bill Kamps admits: No I have not voted in more than 10 years, so how can you accuse me of voting for these clowns-figures.-can't even accuse you of voting.  Can Bill say "I, Bill Kamp is part of the problems in the US?"  You are, but I'm sure you'll have a whole pile of excuses for not voting...excuses, not reasons.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 3, 2017 - 3:12pm
Jeff, i dont know why you are on my case, but I am going to stop responding to you.   If I vote for someone you would be on my case who I voted for, if I dont vote for any of these crooks, then that is my  fault also.  So we are done.
Leroy Added Dec 3, 2017 - 4:27pm
"Leroy I give you Obama was a total loser. Want to blame someone for Trump, Obama number one culprit. Unless you were a Wall Street swindler."
 
I agree, George.  Even if one bought into his agenda, he is still a loser.  He will go down as the least effective president in American history.  The reason?  He chose executive orders to accomplish his agenda rather than working through Congress.  He was lazy.  Now, everything he did is being undone.  He has no legacy.  I never got the impression that he had any passion for the job.  He was the answer to Bush the Junior.  Trump is the answer to O.  Again, it is the hope and change that O promised but couldn't deliver.
Leroy Added Dec 3, 2017 - 4:33pm
"Leroy, it is complex to say the tax bill will reduce middle class taxes. Complex because not everyone is treated the same. "
 
Bill K., it seems to me that the issue is that everyone IS treated the same.  If one lives in a red state and owns a 3,000 sq ft house, he will likely be below the standard deduction, unless he lives in a blue city.  If another lives in NYC with a similar house, he may well be above the standard deduction, especially when considering the local taxes.  I admit it is a little unfair, but, even still, most Americans will fall below the standard deduction and therefore the middle class should feel most of the tax cut (aside from businesses).  I'm skeptical, but that is how I read it.
Leroy Added Dec 3, 2017 - 4:38pm
"Leroy..on this point, Ill give you that on Obama.  HOWEVER, this was BAD. REALLY BAD..and it was done at the behest of Trump.
Its not completed yet, but pretty much."
 
WSU, why is it BAD, REALLy BAD?  
 
"Leroy - I can't believe you can still support him."
 
Opher, he has been bigly (I know that is not proper, JK) successful as outlined in an earlier post.  Your worst nightmare would seem to be that he carries out his campaign promises.  That is why I continue to support him.  I don't like him personally, but, he had done what he said he would do, or, at least, he has tried.  Congress wants to get rid of him as much as you do.  That is another reason to support him.
wsucram15 Added Dec 3, 2017 - 4:49pm
Leroy..
First of all, OConnell has already stated (aside from all the other bad press) that it will be impossible to assure all Americans get these tax cuts.
What..Really?
The cuts that were specifically requested by Trump and worked on by his "finance director" were the ones that wll allow him to profit enormously while the genpop suffers as the ones who do get deductions gradually drop off.   Deductions we used to get no longer exist.
The deficit is never going to recover is we Slash taxes..Reagan tried it and I believed in him..it did not work then and it wont work now.
 
I was really against this and I work on taxes..but hey, he is your guy so  you live with it...Im doing what I can to upend it.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 5:12pm
@Leroy:
”Even if one bought into his agenda, he is still a loser. He will go down as the least effective president in American history. The reason? He chose executive orders to accomplish his agenda”
 
As of October 2017 Trump signed more executive orders in the first year of his presidency than any president in the last 50 years.
 
What was that about choosing to use executive orders to advance his agenda....?
 
“rather than working through Congress.”
 
Partisan politics stagnated the last few years of Obama’s presidency.
 
Why?
 
Because the Tea Party that swept into Congress had no interest in compromise.
 
Why?
 
Because they were more interested in throwing raw meat to their constituency than working with Congress.  Even members of their own party, I relayed how Boehner worked out a very comprehensive bill with Obama, the Democrats and members of the Republican Party.  Boehner had his faults, of course, but he was old school and wanted bipartisanship whenever possible.  Instead the Tea Party members sabotaged it, leaving Obama embarrassed, the Democrats furious and the Republicans scurrying for cover.
 
 “He was lazy.”
 
LOL, yeah, Trump is the model for hard work.  
 
So, how many golf trips has Trump taken versus Obama in the first year of his presidency, Leroy?
 
“Now, everything he did is being undone.”
 
As will Thud’s, mercifully after only one term.  We couldn’t survive another.
 
“He has no legacy.”
 
As will Thud, in three years.
 
BTW, Leroy, you can drop the petty pouting over the grammar stuff.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 5:43pm
Leroy - OK - I get that. I hate his programme, his tactics and his attitude. I think he is dangerously unbalanced and psychologically flawed. He's a billionaire supporting billionaires. How is that attractive?
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 5:46pm
Jeffrey - I hope you're right. The sooner his damaging policies are dumped the better. I guess we have to endure until then - unless there's a way of getting rid of him.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 6:02pm
@Opher:
 
Trump’s approval ratings are hovering in historically low numbers.  He benefited in the last election by third party voters and a disliked Democratic nominee.  He also benefited from low voter turnout.
 
That isn’t to say he couldn’t get his act together and pull it out, maybe get another term.  I hope not, because then his true legacy will be a reactionary Supreme Court that could damage this country for decades.  More importantly Thump’s lower court appointments will increase, making the judiciary much more Right-Wing.
 
Presidents come and go.  In the end Thud could get eight years but I doubt it.
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 6:05pm
Jeffrey - from what I see from here he'll be lucky to go through this term. I've never seen such a poor performance. He's making a mockery of America. So crass and uncouth.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 6:12pm
I agree, Opher.  He’s a boorish, overgrown man child that screeches and pouts when he doesn’t get his way.  He tweets more than a prom queen that got stood up by the prom king and later found him making out with her best friend.
 
The problem is that he has a visceral appeal to a decent percentage of this country.  Lord knows why, he’s a crass, rich New Yorker.  He benefits from sliming down to the level of the gutter, throwing raw meat to his beloved Trumplings.  
 
The thing is, he doesn’t care about them.  He has nothing in common with them.
 
It’s an attraction I’ll never get.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 3, 2017 - 6:14pm
Bill Kamp cries: As long as it's the uberwealthy that win, it's okay?  What shit, I never said this.-Why is it WB RIGHTISTS DON'T REALIZE A QUESTION MARK ON THE END OF A SENTENCE INDICTS A QUESTION.  Try answering, instead of getting all huffy "I won't respond." From the perspective of the posed question, you didn't answer, so you were all set to not respond.  You didn't.  And somehow this is my fault?
opher goodwin Added Dec 3, 2017 - 6:21pm
Jeffrey - me neither.
Leroy Added Dec 3, 2017 - 8:25pm
"As of October 2017 Trump signed more executive orders in the first year of his presidency than any president in the last 50 years.
 

 
What was that about choosing to use executive orders to advance his agenda....?"
 
Many of them were to undo EOs by O.  Many others were to turn back regulations implemented by non-elected agencies.
 
"Partisan politics stagnated the last few years of Obama’s presidency."
 
Just shows you how inept O was.  Other presidents worked with both sides such as Johnson and Reagan.  He was just too lazy.  It's hard work and, above all, you have to work with people.  He wasn't exactly a people person.
 
"Why?
 
Because the Tea Party that swept into Congress had no interest in compromise."
 
Reminds me of ObamaCare crammed down the Republicans' throats.
 
"Why?
 
Because they were more interested in throwing raw meat to their constituency than working with Congress.  Even members of their own party, I relayed how Boehner worked out a very comprehensive bill with Obama, the Democrats and members of the Republican Party.  Boehner had his faults, of course, but he was old school and wanted bipartisanship whenever possible.  Instead the Tea Party members sabotaged it, leaving Obama embarrassed, the Democrats furious and the Republicans scurrying for cover."
 
The Tea Party wants to change what is wrong with politics. 
 
 “He was lazy.”
 
"LOL, yeah, Trump is the model for hard work."
 
He ran rings around Clinton during the campaign.  He has more stamina than any president I have observed. 
 
"So, how many golf trips has Trump taken versus Obama in the first year of his presidency, Leroy?"
 
That's petty.  I'd wager that Trump actually accomplishes something, much like Reagan.
 
“Now, everything he did is being undone.”
 
"As will Thud’s, mercifully after only one term.  We couldn’t survive another."
 
Don't think so.  ObamaCare was a disaster.  That's easy to do away with.  Tax cuts, on the other hand, are difficult to take away.

“He has no legacy.”
 
"As will Thud, in three years."
 
The triumph of hope over experience.  If O can be re-elected, anyone can.
 
"BTW, Leroy, you can drop the petty pouting over the grammar stuff."
 
"He tweets more than a prom grammar queen that got stood up by the prom king and later found him making out with her best friend."
Leroy Added Dec 3, 2017 - 8:27pm
"Leroy - OK - I get that. I hate his programme, his tactics and his attitude. I think he is dangerously unbalanced and psychologically flawed. He's a billionaire supporting billionaires. How is that attractive?"
 
Show me where his policies support billionaires more than others.  How is he different than O?
Leroy Added Dec 3, 2017 - 9:09pm
"First of all, OConnell has already stated (aside from all the other bad press) that it will be impossible to assure all Americans get these tax cuts.
What..Really?"
 
So what?  Since when has any tax bill guaranteed everyone gets a tax cut or an increase?  Of all the tax cuts, the only one that really cut my taxes was under Reagan.  All others either increased my taxes or was so insignificant that it is not worth mentioning.
 

"The cuts that were specifically requested by Trump and worked on by his "finance director" were the ones that wll allow him to profit enormously while the genpop suffers as the ones who do get deductions gradually drop off."
 
Prove to me that he initiated to benefit himself.  How stupid do you think he is? 
 
"Deductions we used to get no longer exist."
 
If you are complaining, you must really be a high income earner.  Yes, the state and local taxes can no longer be deducted, but the standard deduction doubles and the child deductions increased.  It is difficult for most American taxpayers to exceed the current standard deduction and now it will double.  The current standard deduction for a married couple is $12,700.  If it increases to $25,400 and you are in a 28% tax bracket, that's a few thousand dollars.  The vast majority of taxpayers will pay less, unless there is something I don't know about.
 

The deficit is never going to recover is we Slash taxes..Reagan tried it and I believed in him..it did not work then and it wont work now.
 
"It's never going to recover period.  Bush made sure of that and O doubled down.  We are beyond the tipping point.

 
"I was really against this and I work on taxes..but hey, he is your guy so  you live with it...Im doing what I can to upend it." 
 
You are against anything Trump.  If he implemented policies that reduced unemployment to zero, you would find a problem with that.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:15pm
@Leroy
 


As of October 2017 Trump signed more executive orders in the first year of his presidency than any president in the last 50 years.
 

 
What was that about choosing to use executive orders to advance his agenda....?"
 
Many of them were to undo EOs by O."
 
 
But, wouldn't the great negotiator be able to work with Congress and the Senate to do this without EO's?  
 
 
"Many others were to turn back regulations implemented by non-elected agencies."
 
You don't know how regulatory agencies work, do you?
 
Basically legislation gets passed by elected representatives and signed into law.  Regulatory agencies write policy around this legislation so that the laws can be put into practice.  Regulatory agencies are perfectly legal and their policies mostly upheld by the courts.
 
"Partisan politics stagnated the last few years of Obama’s presidency."
 
"Just shows you how inept O was.  Other presidents worked with both sides such as Johnson and Reagan."
 
Sure.  But when the opposition party actively refuses to work with you it's hard to get things done.  The Tea Party had no interest in actually working with the president or frankly,even with non tea party members of their own party.
 
 
"He was just too lazy."
 
Really?  What do you think the root cause of that laziness was?
 
 
"It's hard work and, above all, you have to work with people.  He wasn't exactly a people person."
 
 
LOL, and Trump is?????
 
"Why?
 
Because the Tea Party that swept into Congress had no interest in compromise."
 
"Reminds me of ObamaCare crammed down the Republicans' throats."
 
The funny thing is that Obamacare was essentially a Republican compromise.
 
"Why?
 
Because they were more interested in throwing raw meat to their constituency than working with Congress.  Even members of their own party, I relayed how Boehner worked out a very comprehensive bill with Obama, the Democrats and members of the Republican Party.  Boehner had his faults, of course, but he was old school and wanted bipartisanship whenever possible.  Instead the Tea Party members sabotaged it, leaving Obama embarrassed, the Democrats furious and the Republicans scurrying for cover."
 
"The Tea Party wants to change what is wrong with politics."
 
By breaking the government?  
 
The funny thing is, the Tea Party tapped into that populist sewer hovering just below American Society to put themselves into power....then lost control of it.  Trump was never one of theirs.  Hell, Trump is manipulating the Republican Party but he's hardly a dyed in the wool Republican.  

 
 “He was lazy.”
 
"LOL, yeah, Trump is the model for hard work."
 
"He ran rings around Clinton during the campaign.  He has more stamina than any president I have observed."
 
Well, he certainly golfs a lot.  I guess that says something.
 
"So, how many golf trips has Trump taken versus Obama in the first year of his presidency, Leroy?"
 
"That's petty."
 
Thanks, I'm trying to emulate Trump.  I figured it works
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 3, 2017 - 11:16pm
Damnit, ran out of room for all of my comment.
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 3:45am
Leroy - tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy that will immensely benefit himself.
Shutting down environmental monitoring.
pulling out of Paris agreement.
Retweeting fascist propaganda.
Inciting hatred.
Promoting division.
Belligerence instead of diplomacy when dealing with potential nuclear adversaries.
Behaving like an arrogant, crass thug instead of a Statesman.
Misogynistic attitudes.
Tax evasion.
Racism.
Is that enough?
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 3:49am
Jeffrey - Trump represents that callous, uncaring attitude that I see in the far right. The effect he has on the country is pernicious.
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 3:51am
The Tea Party are viewed with utter disbelief from over here. They are nutcases.
At least Obama was eloquent and statesmanlike. He spoke of fairness, justice and tried to get a decent health care programme for the poor and some regulation on guns. Compared to this buffoon he was a genius.
Leroy Added Dec 4, 2017 - 6:22am
"The Tea Party are viewed with utter disbelief from over here. They are nutcases."
 
The Tea Party started out as citizens wanting their government back; i.e.; a government that respected the Constitution.  What nutcase wants self-rule?  The citizens should have no say in the government, right? That's the progressive liberal mantra. It was neither Democrat nor Republican in the beginning.  The Tea Party has some similarities with Trump.  They both realized they couldn't win as a third party.  They both highjacked the Republican party.  There's another similarity.  Both have been maligned so much, few people will admit to being supportive of the Tea Party.
 

"At least Obama was eloquent and statesmanlike. He spoke of fairness, justice and tried to get a decent health care programme for the poor and some regulation on guns. Compared to this buffoon he was a genius."
 
O is a smug elitist who lies and bullies to get his way.  I don't care for liars and elitists.  Trump may be wealthy, but he is not elitist.  O is anti-American.  He is anti-white and pro-brown.  He believes white man must pay for his past sins.  Racial tensions increased under O. Trump is a patriot, for better or worse.  He brought people of color into the party.  That's how he won.  When O spoke of fairness and justice, he meant handouts to lure them to the voting booth.  He lied his way to get ObamaCare passed.  Said it would save us money.  BS.  He knew he was lying.  He did zero for healthcare.  Obamacare is for insurance.   If you like your nonsense, you can keep your non-sense...period.
Leroy Added Dec 4, 2017 - 6:34am
"Leroy - tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy that will immensely benefit himself."
 
How does it benefit the wealthy?  Can you give me examples?  I don't think you can answer that question.  It should benefit small businesses.  How is that bad?  The US has some of the highest business taxes in the world.  What's wrong with making the US more competitive?  Afraid of competition?  Personally, I never saw the logic of taxes businesses.

"Shutting down environmental monitoring."
 
Typical anti-Trump nonsense.

"pulling out of Paris agreement."
 
HOO-rah!

"Retweeting fascist propaganda."
 
Fascist because you say it is fascist.  Progressives are quick with the F word these days.  It's wearing pretty thin.

"Inciting hatred."
 
It's the anti-Trump crowd.  Wakeup.  Look at this post.

"Promoting division."
 
Idem

"Belligerence instead of diplomacy when dealing with potential nuclear adversaries."
 
What did previous presidents accomplish with the NK other than kicking the can down the road for someone else to deal with.  I wonder what your complaints will be if he is successful.  "Beginning NK into the fold of decent nations is so fascist," I can imagine.
 

"Behaving like an arrogant, crass thug instead of a Statesman."
 
Are we talking about O or Trump here?

"Misogynistic attitudes."
 
You mean like MO and Clinton proclaiming that women who voted for Trump betrayed their gender?

"Tax evasion."
 
Why is he not in jail.  More BS.

"Racism."
 
O is the ultimate racist, along with Pocahontas.

"Is that enough?"
 
No.
wsucram15 Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:02am
Leroy..see you in January.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:05am

The taxes are too high. 
Leroy Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:50am
"Leroy..see you in January. "
 
Have a good trip!
Leroy Added Dec 4, 2017 - 10:15am
One little-known amendment that was added to the tax bill by Democrats was one that precludes businesses from deducting sexual harassment claims as business expenses that are subject to non-disclosures.  That's a good thing.  It also puts Congress in the hot seat with their slush fund that settles sexual harassment claims at taxpayer expense.  How can you oppose this tax bill?  Are you a misogynist?  Ok.  Just playing the progressive liberal game.  It was actually an attempt to accuse the Republicans as being misogynists if it had been rejected.  It backfired and the Republicans accepted the amendment.  Now the Democrats, by their own game, are now the misogynists for voting against it.  It also shows that the Democrats took an active part in the bill.  It can no longer be claimed that it was one-sided.
 
 
Micahel Dolan Added Dec 4, 2017 - 10:30am
So Crooked Hillary and Crooked Billy and Crooked Chelsea-are getting a gift from our President. The Clinton Mob family owes Trump for giving Benghazi Hillary a good day.
 
BTW-Hillary may have to use that new money in-order to pay her criminal lawyer.Guilty of Treason  -Hillary-SEE-YA.    
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 10:43am
Leroy - defend him all you like. The man is a fascist arsehole of the worst kind.
With the environment being destroyed and global warming kicking in the least we can do is monitor what is going on. This attitude of let it burn disgusts me.
Money is not the be-all and end-all.
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 10:44am
Micahel - are you a robot?
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 10:45am
rycK - give more to the rich why not? Who needs schools, roads, defence and healthcare anyway?
Mike Haluska Added Dec 4, 2017 - 10:48am
opher - 2 questions:
 
1) How do you give a "tax cut" to people who DON'T PAY TAXES?
2) If a group of people (Top 10%) are ALREADY PAYING 70.9% of the total amount of taxes, what's your problem with them getting the majority of a tax cut benefit?
 
Go take your "Class Warfare" arguments back to the UK where they belong!
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 12:46pm
Thank you Mike.
I think you summed it up. So many people who are on the poverty line earning not even enough to pay taxes and so few earning so much that their taxes make up the bulk as the inequality gap rises and the rich get richer while the poor get poorer.
They are laughing their heads off at you Mike.
I wonder what Trump will do with his extra $60 million?
Glad I'm in England. But they play the same game here too. The rich con everyone the same and the sheep fall in line.
Baah Baah Baaah
Leroy Added Dec 4, 2017 - 2:19pm
I sometimes wonder, Opher, if you might be the real Chris Steele.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 4, 2017 - 2:29pm
Michael
 
"So Crooked Hillary and Crooked Billy and Crooked Chelsea-are getting a gift from our President. The Clinton Mob family owes Trump for giving Benghazi Hillary a good day."
 
They have gotten away with crime, sleaze, graft, bribes and such for decades.  A lot of dirt bags owe Billy the Bimbo Banger and Queenie a bunch and may fall on their rusty swords to protect them. 
 
 This is the kind of crap that killed democracy in Athens some 27 centuries ago: demagoguery and sleaze. 
 
jmnsho
Mike Haluska Added Dec 4, 2017 - 3:49pm
opher - let's take a look at your statement:
 
"So many people who are on the poverty line earning not even enough to pay taxes and so few earning so much that their taxes make up the bulk as the inequality gap rises and the rich get richer while the poor get poorer."
 
Exactly what is the "poverty line" in the US?  In 2015, the poverty threshold for a family of four was $24,257.  This family is "entitled" to an additional $28,000 in benefits (food, housing, etc.)  So - according to the infinite wisdom of the Welfare State creators (Socialists & Democrats) $52,000 in wages and direct benefits is considered "poor" - how does that compare to the rest of the world?  Can you explain why someone would rather go to work and earn $20/hour doing construction when they get the equivalent of $28/hour in "entitlements" TAX FREE???
 
Since the Welfare State was created in 1964, the US has spent over $20 TRILLION on welfare assistance programs.  Has "poverty" been reduced?  Have drugs/alcohol abuse subsided?  Has public schooling for the poor improved?  Has public housing for the poor improved?  The answer to all of the above is a resounding NO!!!   
 
If sanctimonious welfare proponents like yourself actually CARED about the poor you would stop worrying about "Income Gaps" and start dismantling your personal government job creating machine - the Welfare State!!!
 
Dave Volek Added Dec 4, 2017 - 4:52pm
Mike
If someone can $24/per hour on welfare, why then are there millions of Americans working for wages a lot less than that?
 
Your math does not seem logical.
 
Dave
 
Dave Volek Added Dec 4, 2017 - 4:55pm
Sorry
I someone can EARN $24/hour . . .
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 4, 2017 - 5:59pm
Mike
 
"Since the Welfare State was created in 1964, the US has spent over $20 TRILLION on welfare assistance programs.  Has "poverty" been reduced?  Have drugs/alcohol abuse subsided?  Has public schooling for the poor improved?  Has public housing for the poor improved?  The answer to all of the above is a resounding NO!!!   "
 
This obvious statement of fact, which omits crime and support of illegal aliens [who vote] , two precious attributes for the left, carries no weight.
 
The leftist point is: Just take all you can from the 'rich' even if they are middle class because the government knows best how to spend your money. Just Grunt and Grab. 
 
jmnsho
Cliff M. Added Dec 4, 2017 - 6:26pm
Continued "Trickle on Economics". Take everything and piss on everyone else. The one positive is it will expediate the GOP's exit and demise.
Cliff M. Added Dec 4, 2017 - 6:38pm
  This latest scam could wind up being the catalyst for the next recession. When consumers start losing some of their largest itemized deductions along with another rise in health insurance costs they will retrench.So far it has been impossible for the Gop to put positive spin on this attrocialism.
opher goodwin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 7:02pm
Mike - I think Dave is right. Your maths does not add up. I am unfamiliar with the welfare system in the USA But I hear the same gripes here in the UK. Undoubtedly some people scam the system but most don't. Most people want to work.
I think we are going to have to get used to a different world. We don't need everybody working. Automation and robots have taken over. We don't need everybody working while we have machines. That age has passed.
We have to move on. It isn't about hard graft anymore.
We don't need thousands of soldiers when we have much more efficient drones. We don't need thousands of factory workers, or miners. Machines do it better.
The profits go to the bosses. The workers are on the scrapheap.
We either retrain into caring professions, education and health or we put them on welfare.
The bosses profits go through the roof. They need taxing to pay for the health, schools, roads and welfare.
The alternative is revolution.
Times have changed.
George N Romey Added Dec 4, 2017 - 7:51pm
No one on welfare in the US makes $24 an hour. It’s absurd that someone would be dumb enough to believe that lie.
Cliff M. Added Dec 4, 2017 - 7:56pm
The welfare system in the U.S. has turned into a generational trap. The move to the next level is worse and is the working poor. Since the recession most of the jobs that have been created fall into this class.Earnings amount to enough for a mere existence disqualifying those from any government existence. The health insurance available at this level affords minimal help where Medicaid pretty much covers everything. The cost of living also varies greatly from the coast's to middle America. The minimalisation of many "bread Winner " jobs has greatly exacerbated this situation. A large infrastructure program which creates millions of decent paying jobs would trim the ranks of those on the dole but the tax scam should gum up the chances of this happening. This tax bill should get the middle screaming. From no help since the recession to shouldering the pain and burden of the Washington swamp swindle. This pill is not going to be swallowed easily.
Flying Junior Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:13pm
Hi Leroy,
 
Your comment that I wished to address is a little bit upstream on the thread.

What was that about choosing to use executive orders to advance his agenda....?"
 
Many of them were to undo EOs by O.  Many others were to turn back regulations implemented by non-elected agencies.
 
I think that even if it is largely symbolic, the decision to reduce the Bear Ears and Grand Staircase Escalante National Monuments is just plain mean-spirited and typical of the scorched earth policies that Trump supports.  Bear Ears has not had an oil well since 1992.  It may be economically feasible in the future with fracking and more roads.  But right now it is one of the least developed natural sites in the U.S.  Coal mining in the Grand Staircase Escalante is not financially viable in particular because of the lack of demand for coal.
 
This hell-bent drive to undo everything that Obama ever did, (and in the latter case something Clinton did in 1996,) is not a healthy way to run a country.  It panders to those who wish to polarize and defeat political opponents rather than work together in a spirit of unity and compromise.  The Bundy crowd.  The politics of divide and conquer.
 
That's one of about a million reasons why we hate the Trump.
Bill H. Added Dec 4, 2017 - 10:05pm
Trump went to Utah today and was able to convince his brain dead supporters that drastically shrinking the size of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase Escalante national monuments is beneficial to the citizens of Utah. Of course the only ones to benefit from this will be the oil companies and the mining industry and have been lobbying for this for many years. 
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:08am
The polarisation continues. Instead of common sense we see partisan stances no matter what the cost.
I agree with Flying Junior - there is madness at work. No matter what the logic people believe whatever they want to believe. Instead of building on the good things in previous administrations it is a rip it up and tear it down policy no matter what. If the other side did it then it has to go.
It is mean spirited, expensive, daft, dangerous and infantile. But it comes straight out of the demonization of the other side. Obama and Clinton are painted as evil incarnate - Lock Her Up! Trump is a madman - impeach him!
The truth is not as clear as that.
As FJ said the policies of Trump - tax, environmental relaxation of laws - will benefit the rich and the big oil corporations but his supporters are so exercised about Obama and Clinton that they aren't thinking. They fall for the rhetoric and suck it up.
The oil, fracking and coal will be extremely bad for the environment but Trump does not care. Cash is all that matters. The poor and desperate will not benefit. It will be the rich and oil companies that make a killing. The environment will suffer.
It's become a game. Both sides cheer each other on. Logic and reason are the losers. Passions run high. Fury drives it....... And Trump is orchestrating the hatred and riding the wave, lining his pockets in the process, dealing out the fake news and inflammatory tweets and treating everyone with disdain.
It's not a pretty sight.
Mike Haluska Added Dec 5, 2017 - 11:31am
Dave - the answer to your question:
 
"If someone can $24/per hour on welfare, why then are there millions of Americans working for wages a lot less than that?"
 
is that most Americans still have a sense of self-worth, decency and work ethic and prefer to remain their personal freedom and responsibility.  Historically, most Eastern European immigrants to the US considered it shameful to accept hand-outs in any form - most still do.  Even during the Great Depression, Federal Assistance was made only to the indigent and elderly.  This was changed in 1964 when the Welfare State legislation was passed.  
Mike Haluska Added Dec 5, 2017 - 11:38am
opher - your statement:
 
"I think we are going to have to get used to a different world. We don't need everybody working. Automation and robots have taken over. We don't need everybody working while we have machines. That age has passed."
 
is 99.99% rationalization for abdication of personal responsibility. 
 
If anything, we as a race and as a civilization need work as a means to achieving true self-worth and actualization (not the social science "feel-good" crap) now more than ever!  Until "robots start engineering, designing and building robots" humans have jobs to do.  It is no different today then back when the whalers got put out of business by the petroleum industry, the buggy whip manufacturers were made obsolete by the automobile, etc. 
 
Mike Haluska Added Dec 5, 2017 - 11:41am
George - NOBODY said that people on Welfare "earn" $24/hr.  If you take the dollar value all of the "entitlements" (direct cash payments - SNAP, rent subsidy, food, medical, etc.) it is the equivalent of earning $24/hour.
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 12:14pm
No Mike - I cannot agree. While previous waves of mechanisation caused huge social upheaval (first chucking people off the land into factories and then out of factories into other work) They still left the need for the masses to be employed - this current wave of automation will do away with the need for any large workforce. There will not be enough employment just building drones and robots to employ everybody. Those robots will replace huge swathes of people and be far more efficient and productive.
We either address this or just blame the people who have been chucked on the scrapheap.
I would suggest:
a. A three day week
b. Retraining into caring and support industries - teaching, nursing, social care, counselling, etc.
c. Retraining into improved leisure activities
d. Restructuring of taxation system to provide for a more equal society.
I'm afraid the present work ethic went out with the dinosaurs. This is the threshold of a new world. We either accommodate it and create a fair society in which all people profit from the automation bonanza or we get a divided society of billionaires and paupers and huge social unrest.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 5, 2017 - 1:16pm
Opher
 
"The oil, fracking and coal will be extremely bad for the environment but Trump does not care."
 
These are not facts, they are political vectors whose proposed tax revenues will benefit the left, the Greens and other variants. 
 
There is ZERO proof that CO2 is affecting the environment despite what phony scientists from East Anglia say. Their models are frauds, they cannot predict anything, the models do not run in reverse so they could at least 'predict' the past and they do nothing. Rachel Carson was a fraud and Al Gore, a simpering dupe at best saying that the ice would melt at the North Pole and the ocean would rise 200 ft by 2012 thus burying Florida under 185 feet of water. Do they wear diving gear at Disney World now?
 
"This is the threshold of a new world. We either accommodate it and create a fair society in which all people profit from the automation bonanza or we get a divided society of billionaires and paupers and huge social unrest."
 
Reading some history, we can find that there has never been a time in which we saw a fair society and one that was devoid of billionaires  at any time. 
 
Communism and all the phony socialist variants of that disease have all failed and the voters now seem to want a different form of government. 
 
Learn to live with the new world  if Trump is successful in generating phenomenal new growth.  The kind of blithering demagoguery we hear and read about today is of the form and kind that wrecked 'democracy' in Athens 26 centuries ago. 
 
In this country we have had enough of slugs like Obama, who added some $10T to the debt and the pundits and sob singers now howl about adding one more $1 T from Trump?
 
We need to cut government by 1/4 or more and dump phony departments like Ed., EPA, half of DOT, and more. 
 
Then we can have great growth at zero deficit!
 
Vote against the left!
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:32pm
rycK - I do not agree with a single thing you spout. It is all brainwashed garbage straight out of the propaganda machine. Your vision and facts are simply ridiculous. What a fascist state that would create.
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:33pm
Oh and we need to get rid of billionaire parasites. Nobody ever earns that much money except through greed and exploitation.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:38pm
Yep. Or we might as well delete the word "work" off our vocabulary.
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:46pm
Too true Stone. All that hard work on the golf course.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:52pm
Opher 
 
"rycK - I do not agree with a single thing you spout. It is all brainwashed garbage straight out of the propaganda machine. Your vision and facts are simply ridiculous. What a fascist state that would create."
 
I did not expect you to. 
 
"Oh and we need to get rid of billionaire parasites. Nobody ever earns that much money except through greed and exploitation."
 
Note even leftist icons like Soros, Buffett, Bezos, and Gates?
Are they parasites or benefactors and role models for the left?
[Apparently it okay for the left to have millions [Kennedy Klan, Obama, Clintons.....]
 
Sounds like the whine of Lenin in the old days in prison in Siberia after most of his family was executed. 
 
Trump is three things that ought to spark fear into the soggy little minds of the tax-whoring left:
 
[1] He is not a politician; Trump hates those slugs.
[2] He is not a Republican. He is going to get rid of many. 
[3] He is not a conservative. He is a business person. 
 
Those three things should make the lefties shudder in their soggy, tight  bloomers. This is going to be worse than any mere Fascism. This is going to put capitalism in control. Like Brexit and its effect on the EU, your world is going to crumble. 
 
Have a nice day
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 4:35pm
rycK - those people you mention, I know them, they are no icons of mine. I don't pigeon-hole too well. I just believe in fairness, tolerance and justice. I don't go for selfishness and greed. These people creaming off the top should reduce the prices of what they are peddling and pay their employees more. Then they wouldn't be 'screwing' so much money out of everyone. Oh for a progressive tax system that creates fairness.
opher goodwin Added Dec 5, 2017 - 4:38pm
rycK - Trump does make me shudder but that's because he's a hate-monger, liar, racist fascist, environmental trasher, a narcissist and arrogant buffoon with his finger on the nuclear trigger. My contempt knows no bounds. He's making a mockery of America.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 6, 2017 - 12:48pm
Opher,
 
"He's making a mockery of America."
 
Obama, a community organizer [whatever that might be] is an embarrassment to the US. He spent some $10T dollars in debt, more than all presidents before him, pushed through a phony health care bill, acted like a coward in the Middle East and was clearly a racist by allowing Holder and  Van Jones to make political decisions putting blacks, Islamo-Fascists, terrorists, illegal aliens and other criminals  above whites in legal operations. He was one of the worst leaders in the world ranking just below Hitler, Chamberlain, Ortega, Beria, Lenin, Mao and Mugabe and Edie Amin. He's made a mockery of America.



My contempt knows no bounds for losers like Labour in the UK, Liberal Democrats in the US, terrorists, Greens, and people like Merkel; and other losers like Van Rompuy,  the wet mop, whose political bias knows no bounds. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 7, 2017 - 4:37am
 
I deplore the tax cut that has passed Congress. It is not an economic policy tax cut, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with supply-side economics. The entire purpose is to raise equity prices by providing equity owners with more capital gains and dividends. In other words, it is legislation that makes equity owners richer, thus further polarizing society into a vast arena of poverty and near-poverty and the One Percent, or more precisely a fraction of the One Percent wallowing in billions of dollars. Unless our rulers can continue to control the explanations, the tax cut edges us closer to revolution resulting from complete distrust of government.
 
Paul Craig Roberts
opher goodwin Added Dec 7, 2017 - 5:29am
rycK - No sorry - I am no lover of the greedy selfish system that satisfies an elite and is quite happy to let the majority suffer. I want a much fairer society that works for everyone and not just the strong and wealthy. I want a caring society thanks. Give me Obama and Labour any day over Trump and the Tories.
opher goodwin Added Dec 7, 2017 - 5:31am
Jeffry - amazingly I completely agree with you. It is a disgusting self-serving move that is aimed at making the rich richer.
George N Romey Added Dec 7, 2017 - 10:31am
For those that don't know Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Treasury Secretary under RR and former writer for the WSJ.  I doubt this tax bill will do much to stimulate the economy.  It will give a bigger platform for politicians to go on cable news and scream about the deficit. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 7, 2017 - 10:47am
Opher, Jeffrey, George:
 
"rycK - No sorry - I am no lover of the greedy selfish system that satisfies an elite and is quite happy to let the majority suffer."
 
So, perhaps, the EU is acceptable to you? Or the PRC or Cuba?
 
Railing against the rich with obvious bias and hatred does nothing to change the system that has been in place for 5000 years in spite of Lenin, Mao and other losers.
 
Two facts:
[1] corporations do NOT pay taxes as those are mere costs that are incorporated into the price. 
[2]  jobs, not the phony government type, are provided by corporations that are efficient while government is slow, sloppy and corrupt.  
 
Any attempt to ameliorate the 'suffering' of the majority has led to disaster.
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:02am
Railing against the rich with obvious bias and hatred does nothing to change the system that has been in place for 5000 years in spite of Lenin, Mao and other losers.
 
Slow down there little fella!
 
I merely quoted Paul Craig Roberts' article to which I provided a link and George correctly pointed out "was Assistant Treasury Secretary under RR and former writer for the WSJ." Also an Editor for the same publication. Hardly a loser. 
 
When you get that jerking knee under control check back with us.
 
Off you go now, mind the gap between train and platform. BUH-Bye.
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:58pm
Jeffry
 
"Slow down there little fella!" [??]
 
Did you slow down here with your far-left-wing platitudes??
 
" In other words, it is legislation that makes equity owners richer, thus further polarizing society into a vast arena of poverty and near-poverty and the One Percent, or more precisely a fraction of the One Percent wallowing in billions of dollars"
 
When you get your  jerking knee under control check back with us
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 7, 2017 - 7:09pm
Did you slow down here with your far-left-wing platitudes?
 
Were you born obtuse or have you worked at it your whole life? Either way it worked out fine because you're obtuse tonight. Little fella.
 
AGAIN, I merely brought attention to an article written by PCR who was Assistant Treasury Secretary under Ronald Reagan (R) and former writer and editor for the WSJ.
 
One imagines if its gotten so bad there in the land of the formerly free that a Reagan administration official is concerned perhaps others might be too. 
 
You have a great evening. And tidy up your Ayn Rand shrine while you're at it. 
 
Little fella.
Don Added Dec 7, 2017 - 10:39pm
MYTH #1: They’re cutting taxes on millionaires while raising them for the middle class and the poor.
FACT: Middle-income Americans are the biggest winners under the tax bill.
MYTH #2: Tax cuts will blow up the budget deficit.
FACT: Budget deficits depend on economic growth, not tax policy.
MYTH #3: Millions will lose health insurance.
FACT: Ending the Individual Mandate does not take insurance away from anyone or make insurance unaffordable.
MYTH #4: Social Security, Medicare, and the social safety-net will get defunded because we cut taxes.
FACT: Tax cuts do not mean any spending falls
MYTH #5: The bill creates a tax break for private jets.
FACT: The bill simply codifies the existing taxes on jets.
MYTH #6: The bill takes money away from schools and teachers.
FACT: The Senate bill expands the deduction for teachers and increases funding for schools
MYTH #7: The bills will bankrupt graduate students and hurt people with college debt.
FACT: The higher standard deduction makes the student loan deduction irrelevant, and grad students will likely benefit from the change in the way tuition is charged.
From Seven Myths About the GOP Tax Reform Breitbart 4 Dec 17
Considering that Trump gives his salary away--that he is going to pay some of his family's and staff legal fees--thaqt he can't manage his business for eight years, I personally believe he is making one hell of a financial sacrifice to MAGA.  I also believe those who think he is doing this for personal gain are stupid, disingenuous and have their head up their butt. 
opher goodwin Added Dec 10, 2017 - 6:15pm
rycK - I'm very happy with the EU thanks. 50 times better than on our own thanks. I look at the figures. Cooperation not competition.
Cuba would most probably be great too without US sabotage. As would some of the South American countries. It now looks as if China is set to overtake the USA as the world's leading economy. While the greedy, selfish, inequality of America eats itself up. The super-rich get richer and the poor go to the wall and you defend it.
No give me a pleasant, caring society on the democratic socialist side, like Scandinavia any day.
Life in America is one of division, hatred and extremes. It creates you violence that is accepted. A sick society.
opher goodwin Added Dec 10, 2017 - 6:16pm
Don - believe what you like. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. A country of great inequality; a sick country of violence and hatred. No thank you.
opher goodwin Added Dec 10, 2017 - 6:18pm
Don - Brietbart - the biggest dispenser of lies in the world. You can't get more right-wing than that.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 11, 2017 - 11:24am
Opher
 
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. A country of great inequality; a sick country of violence and hatred. No thank you."
 
A stale platitude some 120 years old. 
 
"Brietbart - the biggest dispenser of lies in the world. You can't get more right-wing than that."
 
The NYT is the biggest Propaganda Machine on the planet: 
 
Krugman of the NYT Lets Spend Some More!!
 
““If we don’t act swiftly and boldly,” declared President-elect Barack Obama in his latest weekly address, “we could see a much deeper economic downturn that could lead to double-digit unemployment.” If you ask me, he was understating the case.”[1]-- Fighting Off Depression By Paul Krugman Op-Ed Columnist Published: January 4, 2009
 
[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/opinion/05krugman.html
 
The New York Times—aka the Walter Duranty Papers has an all-encompassing and circuitous track record of apologizing for any form of big government as long as  it involves huge spending and high taxes.
Today, the Times’ famous anti-economics economist Paul Krugman grinds on with his unbridled respect for John Maynard Keynes, trumpeting a plan for more government and printing money and astronomical deficits.
In its twice weekly turn of the leftist canonical crank, their igNoble Leechette, blessed with insights and the arcane ability to divine the particulars of Depression government policies, will now recite for us the only words that matter to a leftist politician:
 
Tax and Spend.
 
The rest of this article is hopeless, stuffed to the gunwales with mind-numbing tautological fluff, but it may have some interesting twinks and turns that might amuse us.  Check out the link.
 
Krugman Keynesian Stooge:
 
 
[1] a reduction in interest rates and
[2] Government investment in infrastructure.
 
Maybe you can tell us that Obama didn't follow this idiot as he spent $10 trillion dollars on nothing and doubled the national debt. Obama made the right choices???
 
As for violence, check out the 10 biggest cities in the US for crime, drug addiction, sloth perversions and more. This is the realm of the Leftist Democrat. 
 
As for the NYT's most famous writer:
 
The NYT annually celebrates the 'hono'r and synthetic dignity  of that celebrated Communist stooge and liar and winner of  Walter Duranty, the Pulitzer Prize for the NYT.