No Palestine, Only Israel - 70 Years Later

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The Balfour Declaration: This 1917 document is proof of the Zionist conspiracy that originated with Theodore Herzl in 1891, and British compliance to the name of Rothschild. This concept is most often presented as bate taken by the conspiracy theorist's wild imagination yet, the words are plain English and the promise made with The Balfour Declaration was fulfilled with the establishment of Israel (Zion) in 1947.

 

The deception began with an illusion of a two-state solution, but the invaders saw it as their territory and theirs alone. Why?  For various reasons it was simply the Zionist's land of choice, over Madagascar, Siberia and other potential locations. The Jews regarded Palestinians as vermin.  Zionists have been willing to disrupt, displace, terrorize and murder innocent people that were peacefully inhabiting the land before the concept of Zionism was dreamt up.  Many elitist Jews continue to regard Arabs and Palestinians as subhuman and will not relent until they are eradicated from their corrupt, racist state called Israel.

 

Black Area Represents Palestinian Land from 1947 to Present

 

By the strong arms of Britain, America and financed by German spoils of war and U.S. treasure, from the get go Israeli politicians made sure that Palestine received mere pockets of territory by suffrage only.  These oppressed pockets continue to shrink and remain terrorized by Israelis, 70 years later.  Like tiny islands amongst rising waters, there is no sanctuary for these Palestinians, and little hope.

 

The invaders have made sure that only the Jewish nation of Zion/Israel established itself.  Since 1947, the Middle East has been in turmoil – turmoil that has reached as far as Russia, England, France and the U.S. mainland.  Would the World Trade Center Towers still be standing, if Israel was not?  This turmoil would be highly unlikely if the western powers did not arbitrarily choose to displace Palestinians in favor of Jews and the establishment of Israel. To date there is no Palestine, only Israel…only the terrorist, racist state of Israel.

 

 

In 1961, Benjamin H. Freedman delivered an historic speech at The Willard Hotel. It was a speech that warned the west about the transgressions that will lead to WWIII, and how corrupt conspiracies have shaped the world you live in.  This speech must be absorbed if you want a glimpse behind the curtain – if you want perspective that can help to fill glaring voids in 20th century American history.  Freedman was a former Jew that spent millions of his own dollars attempting to bring the truth to the world.  He explains Zionism clearly, and he describes the impact of The Balfour Declaration and both world wars.

 

Why would the world in which we live not be built on conspiracies?  Conspiracies are how wars begin and end, how markets rise and fall and it’s a social being’s natural instinct – to conspire.  Conspiracy is a measure of survival instinct for any intelligent, social animal.  If chimpanzees and gorillas conspire to take the land of rival tribes, and they do, then why wouldn’t humans conspire on a greater scale?  The Ashkenazi (Jew) is cleverer than the chimp and gorilla, in my opinion, and has conspired to take what is not his since Mayer Amschel Rothschild. 

Comments

Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 4, 2017 - 1:29pm
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Mircea Negres Added Dec 4, 2017 - 1:51pm
Tom, apparently Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, the first modern Saudi king, once replied to a journalist who asked him what he thought about the establishment of Israel in Palestinian territories, the king answered with a question "If the Germans killed the Jews, why didn't they (the UN) give them land in Germany?" Eretz Israel (the official name, as opposed to Zion) was a country born out of European and American guilt and inflicted upon the Palestinian population (who were the majority in the land back then, as opposed to the Jews, which made up less than 18% as I remember it) because it served geopolitical interests and at the time was easier to execute against Arabs than Europeans. The telegram you pasted may date to 1917, but its reality took another 31 years and a shitload of blood to realize. One thing I believe to be true, that is the existence of Israel being reliant upon American help, but American existence and well-being not being reliant upon Israeli (or Jewish) help. Think on my last sentence, and if you feel so strongly, then do something about it, though I must caution it is not bound to end in rose petals and triumphal parades... Nice post.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 2:04pm
Thanks for the insight, Mircea.  Bare with a brief metaphoric burst...
 
The pursuit of truth is a path littered with obstacles, distractions, dead ends, detours and traps.  One grows wiser by pressing onward, and one becomes more grizzled for it, but Mount Truth only gets steeper and more treacherous the higher we climb.  We have to be careful, right? 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 4, 2017 - 2:11pm
I love how you included a 9/11 picture in this article. Who would have thought that Palestinians were behind it? .... oh, wait. We play the "Muslims can't be guilty it's all the Jews" game. It will make the left very, very happy!
 
Purcell, I think you should not only support the Democrats openly, but also save them ... from insects!
john guzlowski Added Dec 4, 2017 - 2:34pm
Oh, no, you're back!
 
Waiter, check please.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 2:50pm
I didn't get personal...the hybrid Jews did.  Interesting.
Mircea Negres Added Dec 4, 2017 - 4:02pm
Tom, in my experience actual Jews do not believe the establishment of the State of Israel was a function of global (well, American and West European governments, but they were the most powerful back then) guilt over the Holocaust and practical geopolitics manifested in the United States being the first member of the United Nations to officially recognize the country as legally established, even though that's what happened. In fact, most of the Jews I've ever discussed this with think it was a mixture of diplomatic efforts and God's will that made Israel a reality... The truth is Jews wanted a state of their own ever since their expulsion from Judaea by the Romans and after Theodore Hertzl increasingly pushed to make it come true, whether by hook or by crook- and Jewish land acquisitions prior to the establishment of Israel (along with their overseas supporters) bear this out. I'm not against Jews having a place of their own. Far from it, in fact. I am however against the continued dispossession of the Palestinians and Jewish play of the "We are victims of the Holocaust, so give us money and land" card most Christians buy, which is bullshit. So yeah, we have to be careful, lest the stinky truth offends sensitive ignorant or deceitful nasal passages of those who try to deceive us in turn.   
Dino Manalis Added Dec 4, 2017 - 4:52pm
Arab countries should recognize Israel to hasten Palestinian independence, while Palestinian authorities have to stop violence themselves to show they're responsible.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 5:11pm
I see your point, Dino, but my question to you is, why should Arab countries recognize Israel?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 4, 2017 - 6:09pm
Looking at the map and its progressive land shrinkage over time we can ask: Does trading land for Peace make any difference in this case??
 
Obviously, no. Arafat was offered everything he could hope for by Peanut Jimmy and he turned him down. They do not want peace, obviously .
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 7:52pm
 Eretz Israel (the official name, as opposed to Zion) was a country born out of European and American guilt [Wrong] and inflicted upon the Palestinian population (who were the majority in the land back then [Wrong], as opposed to the Jews, which made up less than 18% as I remember it)
 
You are pathetically ignorant of the history of that area.
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 7:58pm
why should Arab countries recognize Israel?
 
They don't have to do so. They merely have to cease firing rockets into Israel and trying to "wipe Israel off the map" and cease rewarding the families of terrorist who like to blow themselves up in hotel lobbies, wedding ceremonies, discotheques, etc. If they stop that, it doesn't matter if they choose to recognize Israel or not. However, as a matter of pure economic self-interest, it would help the respective populations of those Arab countries if they could trade and interact freely with a pro-west, pro-technology, pro-individual rights, pro-democracy powerhouse like Israel.
 
Free trade is always good.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:03pm
It makes more sense to move Zion to Antarctica, than it does for Palestinians or anyone other than rich and preferred Ashkenazim to accept Israel as a nation.  Put yourself in the shoes of a displaced (or worse) Palestinian 1947 forward.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:19pm
@Tom Purcell:
”The Balfour Declaration: This 1917 document is proof of the Zionist conspiracy that originated with Theodore Herzl in 1891, and British compliance to the name of Rothschild. This concept is most often presented as bate taken by the conspiracy theorist's wild imagination yet....”
 
You forgot the various clarifications put out by the British government over the next three decades, Tom. Specifically these were called the “White Papers:”
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/brwh1922.asp

You can read it for yourself but it essentially says that it was not the intention of the British government to create a solely Jewish state, it limited the scale of Jewish emigration due to “absorbative capacity” and reduced the size of the mandate.
 
https://ecf.org.il/issues/issue/1428

The “Passfield White Paper of 1930” stated that the lack of arable land prevented large numbers of Jewish emigrants and accordingly put quotas on Jewish numbers. This was amended slightly in 1931.
 
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/brwh1939.asp

The British White Paper in 1939 (just as Nazi persecution of German and Austrian Jews was really heating up) rejected the idea of partition as impractical, limited Jewish emigration to 75,000 over five years, limited the ability of Jews to purchase land and made any future increases subject to Arab approval. In other words, it put the brakes on the Balfour Declaration.
More later.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:21pm
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/brwh1922.asp
 
 
Sorry, had an issue saving my original comment with the links.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:21pm
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There.  You can click them now.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:24pm
More later?  More what?  More irrelevant details from WB's top ranking Shabbos Goy?  You're off the point with this 'White Paper' business.  Interesting details, yes but that's all. 
 
Of course documents were drawn up to cover everyone's shady tracks, that's no surprise.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:25pm
Tom, you didn’t provide everyone with the full history.  I’ve corrected your oversight.
 
Yes, there will be more later.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:29pm
Why thank you for gracing us with oversight correction.  We all fever for more of your comments on a Tom C. Purcell article.
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:32pm
More irrelevant details from WB's top ranking Shabbos Goy?
 
Most people on this site would agree:
Better a Shabbos Goy than a White Trash Nazi Faggot.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:35pm
Tom, my assumption is that if you write articles you want people to comment, yes?  I saw holes in what you provided us.
 
The Balfour Declaration is only part of the story, I provided the rest.  Even that is by no means the only thing we could add to the whole.  I admit that my knowledge is by no means complete on this subject.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:36pm
Don't be jealous, A. Jones, you might be just as Jewey as Mr. Kelly - but I don't know you that well yet. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:36pm
Tom defaults to his favorite mode.....
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:38pm
Ah, well.  We’ll get past this need of yours to lower yourself to a brain dead racist.  I’ll soldier on, Tom.  We can learn more about this together.
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:39pm
Put yourself in the shoes of a displaced (or worse) Palestinian 1947 forward.
 
They weren't displaced. They left at the instigation of Arab leaders (religious and political) in 1948 hoping the combined might of the invading Arab armies would crush the new state of Israel. Whoops! The Arab armies lost. And no other Arab country would absorb the 500,000+ Arabs who left Israel. No surprise there.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:40pm
Comments are fine, Jeffrey, but you have made yourself a parasite on any article of mine.  I could write that the sky is blue to the human eye, and you would tell me what I left out or that I was totally wrong. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:42pm
The funny thing is that if the Arabs hadn’t invaded we would probably have an independent Palestine today.
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:43pm
Arafat was offered everything he could hope for
 
Arafat was also offered everything he could hope for by Ehud Barak – except, of course, the "right of return." There were originally about 500,000+ Arabs who left Israel in 1948 and turned themselves into so-called "Palestinian refugees." But today, there are over 7 million of them.
 
Apologists want Israel to absorb 7 million Arabs who hate Jews and Israel itself? Not going to happen.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:44pm
A. Jones,
 
"They weren't displaced. They left at the instigation of Arab leaders..." 
 
Leaving at the "instigation of Arab leaders" doesn't count as displacement?   
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:44pm
@Tom Purcell:
”I could write that the sky is blue to the human eye, and you would tell me what I left out or that I was totally wrong.”
 
Actually, I don’t think I’d have a problem with that one.
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:46pm
Leaving at the "instigation of Arab leaders" doesn't count as displacement?
 
No. "Displacement" = "Not by choice."
 
"Leaving at the instigation of Arab leaders (political and religious) = "By choice."
 
Not ALL Arabs left. Only some of them. Those who left, left by choice. Those who remained, remained by choice.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:46pm
That's it, isn't it A. Jones, twisted interpretation of facts and the use of coded language... "they left at the instigation of" - bologna!
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:52pm
The evidence that they left at the instigation of their own Arab leaders is overwhelming. That's one reason Arab media propagandists have to work so hard to invent the fantasy of a "Palestinian people" (never existed) governing, living, and working in a land called "Palestine" (never existed). Educated Arab intellectuals know this is nonsense and have said so many times . . . even IF they oppose Israel. They might have other grounds for opposing the formation of the Jewish State but the mythical existence of a "Palestinian Nation" governed by "Palestinians" isn't one of them.
 
One of your many psychological problems, faggot, is that you allow your Jew-hatred to preempt historical research.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:54pm
lol
Dave Volek Added Dec 4, 2017 - 8:56pm
Another conspiracy theory is that all these Muslim regimes need Israel to blame all their local problems on the Jews.
 
Sewage system in Kabul broken down: blame the Jews!
Street lights out in Tripoli: blame the Jews!
 
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:02pm
Ya never know who might be up to what over there!
B.E. Ladin Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:06pm
Have you even been to Israel, or the Middle East for that matter?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:12pm
Nope.  Why?  Illuminate me with how & why that matters.
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:48pm
British Palestine Mandate: Text of the Mandate
(July 24, 1922)
 
The Council of the League of Nations
 
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and
 
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing nonJewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and
 
Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and
 
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and
 
Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and
 
Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and
 
Whereas by the aforementioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League Of Nations; confirming the said Mandate, defines its terms as follows:
 
ARTICLE 1. The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.
 
ARTICLE 2. The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of selfgoverning institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.
A. Jones Added Dec 4, 2017 - 9:50pm
The above excerpt is from 1922, long before WWII or any hypothesized war guilty on the part of Europe or the U.S.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 5, 2017 - 1:26am
We will probably never know what the real intention of the creation of Israel was, but for sure it created a power base for the US in the Middle East. The rest might just be religious covering blather.
 
That's probably why the Kurds, as being a way bigger people, never had a chance to get their own country. They would have (had) the same right. And they were never subject to the question if they really are an own people or not.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 5, 2017 - 1:45am
I wonder how any of this is relevant to anything. I mean there were a lot of articles about Israel on Writer Beat, many critical, and all better researched than this one and now everybody is commenting HERE.
 
I can't even read it. So I go for the pictures. Two out of three are outright silly: 9/11 has nothing to do with Israel and there was never a Palestine land; there was an Ottoman Empire. Who bothers to read the text after this?
A. Jones Added Dec 5, 2017 - 4:56am
That's probably why the Kurds, as being a way bigger people, never had a chance to get their own country.
 
The reason the Kurds don't have their own country is that a supposed "Kurdistan" would overlap actual, real countries. Israel was created out of partitioned territory originally ruled by the Ottoman Empire for 400 years until the Empire disintegrated after WWI and it was taken over by the British. Since there was never a "Nation of Palestine", Israel overlapped no other pre-existing country when it was created. Of course, you've already gleaned that insight from reading the above text on the British Mandate of Palestine.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 5, 2017 - 6:15am
True, but don't forget that the Kurds have been settling in the area for thousands of years, and the countries of Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Syria at least have been created in their borders only recently, in case of Syria and Iraq, even by their former colonists....
Bill Kamps Added Dec 5, 2017 - 6:27am
The reason the Kurds don't have their own country is that a supposed "Kurdistan" would overlap actual, real countries.
 
The Kurds didnt get a "real country" when the land was divided after WWI.  The boundaries of the real countries were drawn after WWI, before then there really was no Iraq, Turkey's borders were unclear, as was Persia's.   They could have just as easily created a Kurdistan out of a piece of the Ottoman Empire, but like most colonial partitions, the local populations often didnt have much  say in the matter.
 
Nearly all countries have been formed by taking land from "someone else" at some point in history.  Whether that someone else lived in "real countries" as Jones describes it, whether it was part of an empire, or whether it was just occupied by people who got there first, like Native Americans, someone else almost always was there first and either got pushed aside or assimilated.  When people have resisted, it is a source of friction and potential violence.  Its how history works.
 
Before 1900 the boundaries of the European countries were in flux, moving about as various wars were fought, the boundaries of the US was in flux as various parts were taken from Native Americans, traded with Europeans, or taken from Mexico. 
 
It is nonsense to say that a county is invalid because its land was taken from someone else, when most countries have been formed this way.  The boundaries as we know them today have moved quite a lot over the centuries.  Through a combination of force and diplomacy, boundaries are determined, and enforced with the cooperation of a country's allies. 
 
Force and diplomacy is how Israel was created, just like most other countries we recognize today. 
 
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 12:03pm
It's different when two nations/two peoples fight over a piece of land.  The establishment of Israel is the epitome of dishonor with deceit.   Ashkenazi snakes I tell ya!
Bill Kamps Added Dec 5, 2017 - 12:09pm
Tom, people have been fighting over pieces of land for a long time, Israel is just one of the latest examples.  The US fought the Native Americans how many times before they  were pushed aside? 
 
In many of instances of country creation, deceit was part of the process.  Im not saying that the creation of Israel, or the US support of it, was done honorably.  Simply that this is not at all unique in the history of how countries get formed. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 12:21pm
Perhaps it's not the first, Bill, but shouldn't we, as civilized people, try to make it the last?
 
I totally understand where you're coming from but I take an alternate perspective:  "Others were liars and deceivers before them" is a perspective that yields to evil men.  Well, "Evil men are part of this world.  It is the indifference of good men that presents the greatest danger to mankind."
 
It's like people I used to work with in the business world that lived their daily lives in fear of being fired or told to pay another exorbitant fee to some government entity.  Good people would often say, "I'm just glad I have a job" and "it could be worse".   Ok, that's well and good.  What about, "it's good but should be better" and "I'm glad I have a job but certain things aren't right and I want to make the environment better, or get a better job."?
Bill Kamps Added Dec 5, 2017 - 12:51pm
Tom, we can try to do better but some of it is inevitable given past history.  The MidEast and Africa have both suffered from colonial boundaries that had little to do with how local people were distributed.  This has created countries, with majority/minority blocks that are traditional enemies, ie not people that would normally form a country together. 
 
In the case of Israel, there was no place to put it, without  pissing a lot of people off.  We can debate whether it was a good idea in the first place, but once it was decided to do it, then its going to suck for one group or another. 
 
As you point out, the creation of Israel, while relatively recent, is not something that happened in our generation.  We continue to deal with the fallout, but also with situations like Iraq which is an unstable country given how it was created. 
 
Unfortunately our leadership continues to blunder about.  After helping to over throw leaders in Iraq, Egypt, and Libya we now wonder why we cant get North Korea to the bargaining table.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 5, 2017 - 1:27pm
 
Bill K. 
 
"Unfortunately our leadership continues to blunder about.  "
 
I suppose we have had nothing else since about 1780. 
 
Ever notice that the ME was built on a 5000 year history of strong men heading strong tribal groups and then 15 centuries of Islam with a schism and with more strong men and every time we take down a strong man to 'win the hearts and minds of the people' like Diem, Marcos, Hussein, Quadaffy, Mubarak, etc. we arrive at a fine mess with strong men again in control. 
 
In some distant time we may have to concede that forcing Jeffersonian Democracy upon tribal masses and warring religious types was not a very good idea. 
 
jmnsho
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 1:31pm
@Tom Purcell:
”For various reasons it was simply the Zionist's land of choice, over Madagascar, Siberia and other potential locations.”
 
Well, considering that Madagascar and Siberia are pretty inhospitable places I don’t know why Zionists would want to go there.
 
There were studies done about the feasibility of Madagascar as a “Jewish Home” in the 1930’s.  The Poles took a hard look at it but the island was not a suitable place for millions of Europeans in the 1930’s.  It simply couldn’t support them.  The French governor of the island opposed it for that reason.
 
Siberia wasn’t a possibility because the Czars created the “Pale of Settlement” to hold its Jews.  The Bolsheviks released the Jews from this and did create a “Jewish Republic, the autonomous Oblast called “Birobidzhan,” located close to the Chinese border.  It never attracted many Soviet Jews and Stalin directed purges against its Jewish leadership in both the 1930’s and after WW II.
 
Interesting sideline of history, the Polish Government clandestinely aided Jewish terrorist groups in Palestine in the 1930’s.  They aided them in order to force the founding of a Jewish State so they could send their Jews there.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 1:39pm
Yes there were many Europeans that wanted Zion for the Jews.  I'm happy to ship American Jews to Zion.  The thing is, no honorable man has advocated for what happened to the Palestinians.  No righteous man, IMHO, can say what's happened to Palestinians at the hand of Zionists is just. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 5, 2017 - 1:53pm
" No righteous man, IMHO, can say what's happened to Palestinians at the hand of Zionists is just. "
 
Not even when the Palestinians shower thousands of missiles upon Israeli citizens? What should Israel do? Trade more land for a promise of 'peace,' for which the Palestinians will never conform?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 2:01pm
@Tom Purcell:
”The thing is, no honorable man has advocated for what happened to the Palestinians. No righteous man, IMHO, can say what's happened to Palestinians at the hand of Zionists is just.“
 
The problem is, Tom, that Israel tried in the past to work with the Palestinians on a two-state solution but got their hand slapped.  As a consequence their attitudes hardened, made worse by terror attacks against their people.
 
The Arabs and Palestinians messed this up in the beginning by attacking Israel at its founding....and losing.  Had everyone accepted the foundation of Israel then it’s likely we would have two states today.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 5, 2017 - 2:32pm
In some distant time we may have to concede that forcing Jeffersonian Democracy upon tribal masses and warring religious types was not a very good idea. 
 
I hope that time comes fast enough. But there's not really democracy which is the attempt but economic and geostrategic reasons.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 2:42pm
Ryck,
 
To put it bluntly, Zion started it.   It's hard to tell them to not hit back.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 2:43pm
So, what’s your solution, Tom?  What would you do with Israel?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 2:52pm
Just off the cuff - I'd have the Ashkenazim start packing, cease all reparations-related payments and cut off the modern Pharisees from European and American monies.  Under my authority, a comprehensive global initiative would take place so that decent family folks, assuming there are some in today's Israel, have some choice in the matter.  Maybe some prefer emigration to Easter Island for their salvation, maybe Siberia is where most of them belong, maybe some of them actually belong elsewhere to begin with.  The process would include international collaboration, it would have to be mapped out and accomplished in phases.    
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 2:55pm
What would you do with Israel’s nuclear weapons?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 2:59pm
And what would I do with all the kosher salt n stuff?  Don't worry, the nukes and such would be accounted for by each and every means.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:20pm
So, then, the answer is exile to the Easter Islands and Siberia.  For their.....salvation.
 
What about Jews in other countries, say the US?  Will you allow them to stay?  After all, they didn’t displace anyone, they were already here.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:23pm
Like I said, comprehensive.  Not inhumane.  American Jews would certainly stop receiving benefits and reparations just for being Jewish, but I believe in general fairness.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:27pm
Not sure I get your answer.  Would US Jews (and others) be allowed to stay?  Or would they also have to go into exile?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:34pm
The answer won't be the same for everyone, and I have no malice for the man of good will, even if his last name is Jewish.  I don't personally endorse condemnation without trial, and that's why comprehensive yet purposeful, strict protocols would create each file.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 3:38pm
So, there are, approximately, about 14 million Jews living today.
 
Each would be subjected to a litmus test?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 4:11pm
Plus you.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 4:26pm
So, essentially, anyone Tom dislikes will be included in the list of the guilty.
 
Got it.
 
So, just me?  Or my family as well?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 4:30pm
So, essentially, what have we learned?
 
Tom wants to scrutinize every Jew on earth and make a determination on their guilt and innocence.  Just the fact they are Jews is enough to immediately place them under investigation, unless said person is an Israeli.  Tom wants to be the arbiter of guilt or innocence, again, based upon the immediate assumption that because they are Jews they deserve it.
 
And me.  Can’t forget me.
 
So, Tom, would my sentence only be passed down by you?  Would I have a chance to appeal?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 5, 2017 - 4:36pm
Antagonist.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 4:41pm
I really try to understand people like you, Tom.  It’s outside of my experience. I don’t really get it.  
 
It’s why I ask questions, so that I can get your point of view.  I don’t see how someone normal can get this way.  I know something somewhere had to make you this way.  
A. Jones Added Dec 5, 2017 - 8:38pm
 I don’t see how someone normal can get this way.
 
Simple.
 
First, you start with someone normal. Then you subtract 1) reason, and 2) moral compass, and voilà! A Tom C. Purcell appears.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 5, 2017 - 8:50pm
@A. Jones
 
I wonder, does the Hitler love fest come first or is it the antisemitic aberration?
 
 
A. Jones Added Dec 6, 2017 - 6:26am
@ J. Kelly:
 
It's the uniforms. Has to be.
 
No closeted homosexual with secret BDSM cravings can resist black leather boots and tight-fitting blazers with the lightning-bolt, runic "SS" symbols on them.
 
You might be over-thinking this thing.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 6, 2017 - 6:39am
LOL
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 6, 2017 - 10:27am
It doesn't sound like you really want to learn.  Y'all prefer to throw stones.   I take no pleasure in knowing, that a day will come when you will find the validity in my words.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 6, 2017 - 11:15am
A. Jones asks: Don't be jealous, A. Jones, you might be just as Jewey as Mr. Kelly - but I don't know you that well yet.-In short, until you're willing to kiss Nazi Tom's "Furher Ring," he has to wear a condom.  Gets to "know you better," bare...AND A. Jones also notes: It's the uniforms. Has to be.-LOL Yup.  Nazi Tom and a couple of his nazi side kicks here used to go on about how spiffy the nazi uniforms are.  You're "on target" with slicing up WB's resident Nazi/Third Reich romantic, Nazi Tom Purcell.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 6, 2017 - 11:45am
@Tom Purcell:
”It doesn't sound like you really want to learn. Y'all prefer to throw stones.”
 
Actually, Tom, I was to some degree being sincere.  I really do want to figure out what happened to you.  
 
“I take no pleasure in knowing, that a day will come when you will find the validity in my words.”
 
What validity?
Tom, you only see one side.
 
Even then your perception is flawed by....whatever this is.
 
I can actually see both sides of this.  On the one hand I understand why the Israelis do what they do, persecution stretching back centuries will change the way that a person or group of people think.  They consider this their country and will do what they feel is best and their security concerns are legitimate.  Being attacked hours after declaring statehood by Arabs and continuing to face repeated calls for destruction by the same is no way to earn trust.  It also doesn’t help that repeated attempts to fix this on behalf of the Israelis has been repeatedly rebuffed.
 
OTOH none of this excuses Israeli excesses and atrocities against the Palestinians.  They want their own state, they don’t want to live under Israeli rule or be an Israeli puppet.  There are millions of Palestinians living as refugees in the surrounding countries and elsewhere, they also want to go home.  The Gaza Strip is essentially a Palestinian Ghetto.
 
So, this is where we stand.  I support a two-state solution but I’m pessimistic that it will ever happen.  What’s going to make it worse is the expected announcement by Thud declaring Jerusalem the Israeli capital and moving the US embassy there.
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 6, 2017 - 12:51pm
Yup, in just a few minutes he's supposed to make the announcement.   No, I don't only see one side, I'm just unafraid to acknowledge which side is in the wrong.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 6, 2017 - 1:41pm
@Tom Purcell:
“Yup, in just a few minutes he's supposed to make the announcement.”
 
What do you think of that?
 
“No, I don't only see one side, I'm just unafraid to acknowledge which side is in the wrong.”
 
Sure.  I’m positive your negative perceptions of Jews in general have nothing to do with it.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 6, 2017 - 3:15pm
He was elected to make important decisions in the interest of the American people.  I hope that's what this is.  This is a situation where, I have to trust and hope that the president and his advisors know something that I do not.  Surely, they must.  However, there is enormous opposition to this announcement, internationally. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 6, 2017 - 4:30pm
There is no reason why a sovereign nation cannot select a place for their capital in their own territory and allow other sovereign nation place their embassies there. 
 
We have no embassy or consulate in sordid rat holes like Gaza for obvious reaaons. Our choice. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 6, 2017 - 4:51pm
@rycK the JFK Democrat:
”There is no reason why a sovereign nation cannot select a place for their capital in their own territory and allow other sovereign nation place their embassies there.”
 
Except that the city is disputed, both sides claim it, there have been UN Resolutions to this affect and that the disposition of Jerusalem was always considered part of the peace process.  Not to mention that the city is sacred to three major religions.
 
By doing this Trump essentially thumbed his nose at the whole world.

“We have no embassy or consulate in sordid rat holes like Gaza for obvious reaaons.”
 
 
Is the obvious reaaon that the Israeli blockade turned it into a hell hole?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 6, 2017 - 5:41pm
Except that the city is disputed
That's silly Jeff. Not even al Quaida, Hamas and co claim that the entire city is disputed. I would say none of it deserves dispute. The Arabs have lost the six day war which they started. Shame on them. Now, suck up!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 6, 2017 - 5:54pm
I should note that the tipping point of the escalation was not reached with the first shot. The war started with Nasser amassing his troops on the border and refusing to withdraw them for days.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 6, 2017 - 5:55pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”That's silly Jeff. Not even al Quaida, Hamas and co claim that the entire city is disputed.”
 
How about East Jerusalem?  Is that disputed?
 
“I would say none of it deserves dispute. The Arabs have lost the six day war which they started. Shame on them. Now, suck up!”
 
Hey, whatever I say on this is irrelevant.  I’m just some American dude, none of this should mean anything to me.
 
Of course, I’m not the one to worry about.  I’m sure that Al-Qaeda, Hamas and co will make their displeasure known to all parties involved.
 
I say, fuck it.  The US should pull our aid, bug the hell out and tell those kids to have fun.  I’m sure that Israel and the Arabs can figure out a solution all on their own.  Why should American treasure and possibly lives be flushed down the toilet?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 6, 2017 - 5:59pm
Jeff: I agree with your last post 100%! (BTW I would scrap all foreign aid).
A. Jones Added Dec 6, 2017 - 7:00pm
It doesn't sound like you really want to learn.
 
It doesn't appear that you have anything to teach.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 6, 2017 - 7:39pm
By whose goad do you harass me, A. Jones?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 6, 2017 - 8:04pm
Careful, A. Jones.  I sense that Tom is getting ready to either:
1) Call you a Jew.
2) Accuse you of being a shabbos goy.
 
You will carry that label with you into eternity.
A. Jones Added Dec 6, 2017 - 11:00pm
Careful, A. Jones.  I sense that Tom is getting ready to either:
1) Call you a Jew.
2) Accuse you of being a shabbos goy.
 
Oy vey ist mir. Anything but that.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 6, 2017 - 11:25pm
LOL
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 7, 2017 - 12:38am
Jeffrey
 
The US should pull our aid, bug the hell out and tell those kids to have fun.  I’m sure that Israel and the Arabs can figure out a solution all on their own.
 
Exactly. But what does dump Trump do ?
 
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/06/donald-trump-us-jerusalem-israel-capital
 
I have the impression that Trump and his MIC gang really want war at all cost - either in NK or anew in the ME. And if all that isn't enough why not take on Russia directly ?
 
Stupid fucking creeps.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 7, 2017 - 6:14am
It is sad that the Palestinians are seen and treated as subhumans, and the spineless UN lets it happen. Other countries are destroyed for broaching a UN resolution, but Israel is allowed to without sanction. President Trump may get his WWW3. Israel had hope to get its wish by electing a Jewish person as US president. However, for good reason, the American people has in its unwritten constitution, no Jew as president. SO WE NOW THE US AS A MEMBER OF THE  UNITED STATES OF ISRAEL.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 7, 2017 - 10:51am
Tom,
 
"Ryck,
 
To put it bluntly, Zion started it.   It's hard to tell them to not hit back."
 
To put it bluntly the lauded UN created a sovereign state. I dispute the existence of NOKO too and think their system is evil, but such a nostrum of disrepute has no basis in law. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:03am
I don't think Zion and North Korea are comparable in this context.
 
You're best point is that the UN established a sovereign state.  But then the question is; what is the UN?  What comprises the UN, how was it established, and whom is excluded?  The UN is not God.  It's an arbitrary, shaky overseer at best.  I value the intent but the UN as an organization is an outdated, failed entity.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:04am
Jeffery,
 
"@rycK the JFK Democrat:
”There is no reason why a sovereign nation cannot select a place for their capital in their own territory and allow other sovereign nation place their embassies there.”
 
Except that the city is disputed, both sides claim it, there have been UN Resolutions to this affect and that the disposition of Jerusalem was always considered part of the peace process.  Not to mention that the city is sacred to three major religions.
 
List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
 
This is politics. Everything on this list could equally apply to North Korea, Cuba, Mozambique, Haiti, etc. This is politics, only.
 
By doing this Trump essentially thumbed his nose at the whole world.
 
We have every right to ignore the war-mongering terrorists in Gaza and other countries that support Hamas and other variants of terrorism. We can put our embassy and consuls anywhere we please and the Arabs can just protest and bawl, signifying nothing. 


“We have no embassy or consulate in sordid rat holes like Gaza for obvious reaaons.”
 Is the obvious reaaon [sic] that the Israeli blockade turned it into a hell hole?"
 
Apparently, the salient fact that Gaza fired thousands of missiles at Israel, for good humanitarian reasons we must believe, are not an act of war or terrorism but a quest for justice?
Most sites of pure Hell were made by the locals : Cuba, Gaza, NOKO, Haiti, USSR, PRC, etc. 
 
The conduct of the Palestinians is such, obviously, that they cannot conduct or orchestrate a decent government. They are losers. The UN should then pull their 'charters' as sovereign states and make them protectorates under some phony UN Rule and administered by the UN in the manner of a drug rehab facility. 
 
Jeff Michka Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:04am
Nazi Tom the deleter...Too Jewish for you, Nazi?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:05am
Rupert, with exception to the disparaging comments on president Trump, I agree with your last comments.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:07am
Delete what, Michka?
Jeff Michka Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:21am
Comments, Nazi.  Send them off to "virtual Belsen?"
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:21am
I didn't delete any comments.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 12:02pm
@rycK the JFK Democrat

List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israe
 
rycK, if you click the thing that looks like a paperclip at the top of the comment box, you can drop a link in it.  This will allow someone to click the link instead of copying and pasting, like so:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Israel
Make sure your cursor is blinking where you want it or it will default to where your cursor is located.

“This is politics. Everything on this list could equally apply to North Korea, Cuba, Mozambique, Haiti, etc. This is politics, only.”
 
Of course it’s politics.  Are you saying that politics are irrelevant?

“By doing this Trump essentially thumbed his nose at the whole world.

We have every right to ignore the war-mongering terrorists in Gaza and other countries that support Hamas and other variants of terrorism. We can put our embassy and consuls anywhere we please and the Arabs can just protest and bawl, signifying nothing.”
 
So, putting American lives at risk means nothing to you?  Because it may start in Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem but it won’t end there.  
 
 
 
“We have no embassy or consulate in sordid rat holes like Gaza for obvious reaaons.”
Is the obvious reaaon [sic] that the Israeli blockade turned it into a hell hole?

“Apparently, the salient fact that Gaza fired thousands of missiles at Israel, for good humanitarian reasons we must believe, are not an act of war or terrorism but a quest for justice?”
 
Doesn’t matter what you call it, rycK.  By doing this Trump gave another reason for those missiles to fly.....and the IDF to respond.  More people will die because of Trump doing this.
 

“The conduct of the Palestinians is such, obviously, that they cannot conduct or orchestrate a decent government.”
 
How do you know?  They haven’t been allowed to govern.
 
“They are losers.”
 
So they should suffer.  What else are they rycK?  Subhumans?  Animals?  Hhhhhhhhmmmmm, Muslims?  Brown-skinned?  Am I getting to the root here, rycK?
 
“The UN should then pull their 'charters' as sovereign states and make them protectorates under some phony UN Rule and administered by the UN in the manner of a drug rehab facility.”
 
So, like a camp.  See, that’s convenient and there is so much precedent we could invoke here.  We can consider concentration camps, gulags, reservations....so many choices to pick from.  
 
What do you think, rycK?  Maybe Trump’s various companies can build them and we can make a profit off them.  Use the healthy for labor...hey, there’s precedent for that, too.
 
You disgust me, rycK.  
 
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 12:30pm
I think the reason for 9/11, all these Islamist wars, the Islamic private killings (e.g. honor killings) and so on is that Muslims are used to always get what they want when they just threaten enough violence.
 
It will only stop when we finally draw a line. Let it escalate a bit as long as they are militarily weak and can learn! Otherwise we will see the rise of well-armed dangerous savages who will really be dangerous. They must learn not to get always what they want. We are allowed to draw Mohammet if we wish, we determine our capitals on our own, we pray at our holy sites and we locate embassies where we wish. None of this is a Muslims business.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 7, 2017 - 1:35pm
Ben
 
I think the reason for 9/11, all these Islamist wars, the Islamic private killings (e.g. honor killings) and so on is that Muslims are used to always get what they want when they just threaten enough violence.
 
Let's leave out 9/11....there's different views on that...but fact is that in the last century since 1953 Iran the West has done everything possible to hassle the Muslims in every way from economics to religion.
 
I call that an economic crusade. And I remind people that all we knew in medieval times from numbers to medicine we had adopted from them.
 
When you minimize and oppress a whole community for so long, what do you expect ? I have lived in Muslim Africa for 20 years, and I have never experienced hassles, even when I pointed out I'm atheist - for some the worst that is.
 
It's all economy, and religion is the PERFECT means to mobilize people for whatever purposes. Why ? Because that way you reach the huge percent of illiterates that still are around.
 
No written PR can ever beat that.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 1:43pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”It will only stop when we finally draw a line. Let it escalate a bit as long as they are militarily weak and can learn!”
 
How do you propose to teach them?
 
“Otherwise we will see the rise of well-armed dangerous savages who will really be dangerous.”
 
Are all Muslims dangerous savages or just the ones you determine to be dangerous savages?
 
“They must learn not to get always what they want.”
 
Neither should Jews.
 
“We are allowed to draw Mohammet if we wish,”
 
So, offending other people’s religions, that’s fine?  I don’t really know that much about Judaism or even if you are a practicing Jew, Benjamin.  But, if you were a practicing Jew, would you be OK for someone defaming your religious beliefs?
 
“we pray at our holy sites”
 
Are Muslims and Christians also allowed to pray at their holy sites?  Because Jerusalem is a sacred city for both of the above.
 
“and we locate embassies where we wish.”
 
LOL
 
“None of this is a Muslims business.”
 
You may think so but they don’t.  They don’t give a shit what your opinion of the matter is.
 
Jews and Israel are not the center of the fucking universe, Benjamin.  The situation is far more complicated than what you and that douchebag rycK think.
 
Luckily I know Jews that are not like you otherwise I’d start to think that Tom has a point. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 7, 2017 - 1:50pm
Jews and Israel are not the center of the fucking universe
 
Sure not. They are a tiny people in a tiny place and don't deserve more attention than the Navajo in the US which live in a reservation....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 7, 2017 - 1:53pm
BTW: I notice that Jews and Israel are a heavy subject in the US but not here in Europe (except Germany). They live here also, sure, but who cares ? They do their business, we do ours, and that's it. We are used to their snobbish behavior here in Switzerland towards us, but then we think: Oh what the hell, let them think they're better than us. As long as they don't aggress us verbally, that's ok.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 7, 2017 - 1:57pm
BTW: Jews have one problem. They're not social. They have never understood that if they mix up with the local population and open up they will get much more sympathy and understanding for whatever cause.
 
When you think you're better than the rest you don't get many friends. The US makes that experience right now. And they don't even need Jews for that ;-)
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 1:59pm
How do you propose to teach them?
By not giving in!
 
Are all Muslims dangerous savages or just the ones you determine to be dangerous savages?
The latter because they are.
 
Neither should Jews.
What unusual thing do Jews ask of others? Name ONE THING!
 
So, offending other people’s religions, that’s fine?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
But, if you were a practicing Jew, would you be OK for someone defaming your religious beliefs?
Are you deaf?!? The Jewish bible is always portraited as violant garbage. Jesus came along to tell us to behave already! Nobody does ever object to that. It's okay!
 
Are Muslims and Christians also allowed to pray at their holy sites?
Please, use google. Unlike Jews both Christians and Muslims are allowed to pray on all of their holy sites. Jews are not allowed to pray on the Temple Mount because Muslims forbid it (and no they don't have a legit claim - Mohammet was NEVER in Israel).
 
They don’t give a shit what your opinion of the matter is.
Is this a desease like BSE? I mean liberalism. We don't need to ask you and your Muslims if we want to speak our mind.
 
Jews and Israel are not the center of the fucking universe, Benjamin.
Jeffrey Kelly is.
 
The situation is far more complicated than what you and that douchebag rycK think.
You are far more simple than us.
 
Luckily I know Americans who are no antisemites and who don't have to evoke their 'friends' to hide it.
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:03pm
BTWII:
 
I had a friend in primary school called David Zucker. At that time I didn't know what a Jew is. But one day he told me that his parents would like not to see me at their house anymore. I asked why. And David said: "We go to the same school, but my parents say you're not like me. I don't know. But I can come to you, can I ?"
 
I'll never forget that and only understood it much later.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:07pm
Ben Gurion Goldsteen makes a decent case for why most of the world is fed up with world Jewry.  There is a reason the term, 'Synagogue of Satan' exists.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:11pm
SEF: I don't understand the parents of your schoolfriend. You may understand them now. I just think that they are stupid. There are just as many snobbish Christians and atheists.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:13pm
Ben Gurion Goldsteen makes a decent case for why most of the world is fed up with world Jewry.
I'm happy to help. I don't have to be liked.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:15pm
Ben
 
To make it clear once again: We're not antisemites here. Many are not against the individual, but against the politics of their government (or outer influence) !
 
But most of us don't like
 
a) god's own people
b) god's own country
c) we're better than the rest
 
(BTW The US AND Israel have much in common in those....)
 
...and an antisemite is also one who is against Arabs. Because Jews and Arabs are as related genetically through the millenia.
 
This is politics for profit and influence. But nobody realizes that.
 
Thanks xxx I'm neither American not Jewish ;-)
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:17pm
That's true, Benjamin, you don't have to be liked.  You just have to be Jewish, right?  To get what you want?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:20pm
Thanks xxx I'm neither American not Jewish ;-)
But admit it! You want to be one of god's own people in one of god's own countries (he runs a franchise now). What is English for 'atheistischer Penisneid'? ;-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:20pm
Ben
 
(excuse my German, guys)
 
So, und jetzt für alle Juden: Ich hab genug von dieser Diskussion. Netanyahoo spricht ja nicht für alle, vor allem nicht für die aufgeklärten Leute von Tel Aviv. Ich habe meinen Standpunkt dargelegt, und genug ist. Warte noch darauf, dass mir mal ein Jude in Zürich auf mein "Guten Morgen" eine längere Antwort gibt....sorry ;-)
 
Ich möchte diese Welt gerne kennenlernen, um besser zu verstehen, aber man gibt einem keine Chance, nur Ablehnung.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:24pm
Ich glaub dir unbenommen, dass die Juden in Zürich komisch sind. Es gibt immer alle möglichen Subkulturen. Ich hab schon in mehreren Orten in Europa gewohnt und jedes Dorf und jede Stadt hat einen anderen Schlag. Die Wiener gelten auch als abgehoben, wenn du mal Österreicher fragst. Ich komme hier auf WB auch oft arrogant rüber, aber das ist auch ein bisschen Strategie. Man muss in wenigen Worten Leute mal zu einer Aussage bewegen. Das in die Enge treiben ist aber natürlich total arrogant. Das überträgt sich nicht auf meinen Alltag.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:25pm
SEF: We don't have to aplogize for our German on this threat. Purcell wishes so hard to be a German. It is just as much as we can offer him: a sense of belonging.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:28pm
Nope.  I'm proud to be of Norman ancestry, as the record shows.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:30pm
Thank goodness. I am openly racist towards the Swedes.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:34pm
Good news for your sex life. Muslims love Swedish pussies.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:34pm
@Stone. "I had a friend in primary school called David Zucker. At that time I didn't know what a Jew is. But one day he told me that his parents would like not to see me at their house anymore. I asked why. And David said: "We go to the same school, but my parents say you're not like me. I don't know. But I can come to you, can I ?""
 
One of my sons attended Bronx High School of Science, one of NY elite public school. He was invited to a Bar Mitzvah one of his classmates. When the mother came to pick him up, she indicated I was invited. The Jews and the Caribbean Americans have a wonderful relation.
Mircea Negres Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:38pm
Tom, I just had a discussion with my father, about what I am not quite sure, suffice to say that it seemed to me to be a melange of recent past (last two years), present and what was implied as a question about what I thought of the future. In the end, I answered in Romanian, "ce ar fi putut sa fie, nu a fost. Ce este, poate va fi..." Translated, it means "what might have been, was not. What there is, might be." Given the way the world was and what it became, chances are very good that what it is might evolve in what it might be. However, much like beauty, that depends on what the eye(s) of the beholder has or more accurately, will have to say to each of us about whatever bothers what's left of our senses. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:42pm
@Goldstein, The enlightened should provide enlightenment and not have the seeker of truth go a fishing--babel fishing.
 
Ich glaub dir unbenommen, dass die Juden in Zürich komisch sind. Es gibt immer alle möglichen Subkulturen. Ich hab schon in mehreren Orten in Europa gewohnt und jedes Dorf und jede Stadt hat einen anderen Schlag. Die Wiener gelten auch als abgehoben, wenn du mal Österreicher fragst. Ich komme hier auf WB auch oft arrogant rüber, aber das ist auch ein bisschen Strategie. Man muss in wenigen Worten Leute mal zu einer Aussage bewegen. Das in die Enge treiben ist aber natürlich total arrogant. Das überträgt sich nicht auf meinen Alltag.
 
Translation: I believe you at liberty, that the Jews in Zurich are funny. There are always all possible subcultures. I've lived in several places in Europe and every village and every town has one and
 
 Ic
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:46pm
When the Jews were doing all that horrible things to the Germans. no one spoke up. Now the Germans are doing all that horrible things to the to the Jews and no one is speaking up.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 7, 2017 - 2:48pm
@Tom. The only thing I said of President Trump is that he may get his WWW3. Where will be the capital of the Ununited States of Israel?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:08pm
LOL, I’m an antisemite???????
 
: D
 
Tom, in your professional opinion, you know, as an antisemite, do you consider me an antisemite?
 
: D
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:09pm
Kelly: At least you are a narcist. Of all the points you address this one.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:23pm
What’s a “narcist?”
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:26pm
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:29pm
I’ve actually only seen it spelled “narcissist.”  
 
You actually taught me a new, easier way to spell that, Benjamin.  Good for you.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:31pm
Jeff, I'm not a dictionary. Spell as you please. You are a native speaker.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:32pm
Jeff: What unusual thing do Jews ask of others? Name ONE THING!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:33pm
@Dr. Rupert Green:
”When the Jews were doing all that horrible things to the Germans. no one spoke up. Now the Germans are doing all that horrible things to the to the Jews and no one is speaking up.”
 
?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:36pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”Jeff: What unusual thing do Jews ask of others? Name ONE THING!”
 
Ignore the rights of Palestinians to Eastern Jerusalem.
 
Do I win a prize?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:40pm
No, you just failed. Muslims will punish Tom when they find him in bed with another twink Swede in a Muslim country. They demand other people to abide to their rules. Jews don't do that.
 
Right to Eastern Jerusalem. Please, don't pretend to be stupid. I don't have patience for idiocy.
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:50pm
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 3:59pm
Tom, you didn’t answer my question:
In your professional opinion as an antisemite, am I an antisemite?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 7, 2017 - 4:01pm
Jeffrey Kelly
 
"In your professional opinion as an antisemite, am I an antisemite?"?
 
Religion baiting?
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 7, 2017 - 4:02pm
You're right.  I didn't answer your question. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 7, 2017 - 4:04pm
Tom C. Purcell
 
Good for you.  They are race-baiters and hate religious folk. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 4:07pm
@Tom Purcell:
Why not?
 
@rycK the JFK Democrat
What do you mean by “they?”
 
On a personal note, I couldn’t care less what someone’s religion is.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 7, 2017 - 4:10pm
@Jeffrey. It's an anology of the slaughter. It does not take deep understanding to get what is being said?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Dec 7, 2017 - 4:25pm
@Dr. Rupert Green:
It’s odd.  I don’t think it fits.  My opinion only, of course.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 7, 2017 - 6:07pm
Bennie Goldstien sez: I'm happy to help. I don't have to be liked-Don't worry, you're not.-And it has to do with your politics, not perceived (by Nazi Tom) faith.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 7, 2017 - 11:31pm
@Jeffrey. "@Dr. Rupert Green:
It’s odd.  I don’t think it fits.  My opinion only, of course."
 
You got the gist. That is why you asked the question regarding my missattribution. Has our society lost the ability to conjure. Could today's society watch television  by listening to a radio broadcast. In the days, a killing scene was depicted by a drawn weapon and a cut away. Now people has to see the head blown off and blood spilling for them to understand a killing scene.
A. Jones Added Dec 8, 2017 - 3:54am
Thank God, POTUS officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. I feel like dancing in the street, you know, the way Palestinian Arabs did after 9-11.
 
Now all Trump has to do is officially recognize the PLO as a terrorist organization and I can say that 2017 was a good year.
 
Happy Hanukkah to Thomas Purcell, William Roper, Rupert Green, Jurg Friedli, and sundry other anti-Semites and history ignoramuses on Writer Beat. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 8, 2017 - 5:36am
@Jones
"Happy Hanukkah to Thomas Purcell, William Roper, Rupert Green, Jurg Friedli, and sundry other anti-Semites and history ignoramuses on Writer Beat. "
 
I wonder if the British had used the terrorist designation against the early settlers' uprising there would be a US? What of the Anti federalists? If they were so designated, would we have this right to label people we choose as accorded by the Bill of Rights? What of the South African freedom fighters? Would Blacks be still under apartheid if they were designated terrorist? 
 
The salient point here is the Jewish people suffered hell under the Germans. Why did they do that horrible thing to them? Why did the people of the world not help the Jews, a question of lamentation  by current Jews.  HOW CAN THE JEWISH PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE GOD'S CHOSEN AND ARE INFLICTING SUCH OPPRESSION ON A PEOPLE, AFTER THEY HAVING EXPERIENCED THE SAME HELL, EXPECT THE WORLD TO SIT BY AND DO NOTHING?
Is your anti-Semite designation one designed to have me retract my two for a manhole. Well, the people of the world could be seeing what pissed off the Germans.
 
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 8, 2017 - 11:25am
A Jones
 
"Thank God, POTUS officially recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. I feel like dancing in the street, you know, the way Palestinian Arabs did after 9-11.
 
Now all Trump has to do is officially recognize the PLO as a terrorist organization and I can say that 2017 was a good year."
 
111% on both of those. We can stop letting the slimy terrorists dictate policy to the progressives in our government.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 8, 2017 - 11:51am
Dr. Green
 
"The salient point here is the Jewish people suffered hell under the Germans. Why did they do that horrible thing to them?"
 
Joshua 6:21
 
Ref: "The book of Joshua states that Israel destroyed the people of Jericho, "both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey" (6:21), which may imply the killing of the babies, depending on how "young and old" is interpreted."--https://www.namb.net/apologetics/joshua-s-conquest-was-it-justified
 
KJV
 
"21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."
 
Now, who would call this genocide??
 
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 8, 2017 - 11:58am
The first idiot was shot now. Praise the lord! Bring it on!
 
All the lefty commentators at German newsblog ZEIT online are wailing that the Muslims don't have better weapons. These poor devels have to throw stones. Awwwwwe.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 8, 2017 - 12:00pm
Oh, its hilarious Muslims in countries that have nothing to do with Israel are on the streets. Why? Idiots!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 8, 2017 - 12:06pm
Hey, the German media is now claiming that Trump is sick and short of collapse because the Jerusalem speech was not delivered with a clear enough voice. Same media did not mention one Hillary Clinton blackout. Strange how urgent the removal of Trump is now that he is so pro-Jewish (which is unusual for 'literally Hitler').
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 8, 2017 - 12:13pm
Fun fact: Russia had recognised West Jerusalem as Israel's capital earlier this year.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 8, 2017 - 2:39pm
A Jones sez: Happy Hanukkah to Thomas Purcell, William Roper, Rupert Green, Jurg Friedli, and sundry other anti-Semites and history ignoramuses on Writer Beat. -Nice holiday wish to the WB gentlemans antisemite club.  But will ask, what did Dr. Green say that made him an antisemite in your mind?  Curious. 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 8, 2017 - 3:06pm
Ben
 
Thanks for the translation :-)
 
I mean, "en principe", I can not judge Jews as I said because I never got to know any.
 
If I were to accuse and judge them it would be like I'd say all Blacks are primitive, and then I'd neglect that my wife is African, and the fact that I've been welcomed in Africa as a White like I've never before in a Western country (no, not for money, I tell you).
 
I'm sure that the majority of Jews are the same as we are - not extremist but fucking normal people. People don't pray all day in Tel Aviv.
 
Let's separate politics and the regular guy. We do that here too, no ?
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 8, 2017 - 3:11pm
Jones
 
Happy Hanukkah to Thomas Purcell, William Roper, Rupert Green, Jurg Friedli,
 
You found my name on the net, ok. But that's about it. I have read your arrogant comments on other writers here, and I don't intend to reply to you.
 
That's all.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 8, 2017 - 3:13pm
BTW Ben:
 
Check out KenFM on YT. It's an excellent channel on world affairs, but unfortunately only on German.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Dec 8, 2017 - 3:18pm
BTWII:
 
When we accuse the Jews to have taken over Arab land (on request of the colons), why don't we accuse ex-Europeans to have taken over native Americans land ?
 
Why do todays Americans close borders when they themselves were immigrants ?
 
Times they're a changing....
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 8, 2017 - 4:07pm
If I were to accuse and judge them it would be like I'd say all Blacks are primitive, and then I'd neglect that my wife is African
Lol That would be very bad for your marriage (Haussegen).
 
People don't pray all day in Tel Aviv.
No. And if they did that would be no problem either. Well, okay, their wives would complain after a while.
 
We do that here too, no ?
I don't know. Ridiculing Tom is very tempting.
 
I recently watched a Jebsen video about Wikipedia. Although I was interested in the content and I trusted his research there, I was already put off by his background music. He also needs to drink three liter coffee less per hour - and I am even fine with Ben Shapiro's speed. Of course, there is also issues with the quality of the content. I compare it to InfoWars. Achgut.de has also a YouTube channel, but somehow nothing in Germany really thrills me when it comes to the media. I think that I just belong to a too small political minority to be served. I only read enemy media or foreign press.
 
Yes, times they are chaning. And our media doesn't bother to show the view of the Arabs who are happy to live in Israel. They just act as if Hamas and Fatah were the vox populi of the Arabs. They are not. And the media would never show so much understanding for Pegida as they show for aggressive mob protesters who pretend to speak for all Arabs.
A. Jones Added Dec 8, 2017 - 6:37pm
what did Dr. Green say that made him an antisemite in your mind?  Curious. 
 
Fair enough. I'll file Rupert Green under the category of "history ignoramuses", and not "anti-Semites."
Tom C. Purcell Added Dec 8, 2017 - 6:42pm
Oh good, A. Jones...so you'll write a more informative, more accurate, more moving article on this subject?  Ya know, to set all of the anti-Semites and ignoramuses straight?
A. Jones Added Dec 8, 2017 - 6:43pm
to have taken over Arab land
 
You're claiming the disintegrated Ottoman Empire, which was controlled by the British under a mandate government between 1918 and 1948 was "owned" by the Arabs? You're wrong. You're historically wrong, and you just don't know what you're talking about.
 
Tell us, Jurg. Are you simply ignorant of the facts? Or are you in denial over them? The distinction between those two cognitive states is this:
 
The former can be corrected by education; the latter, only by psychoanalysis.
A. Jones Added Dec 8, 2017 - 9:37pm
@Jeffrey Kelly: "LOL, I’m an antisemite"
 
Purcell might have meant to write, "Auntie Semite."
 
"Auntie Semite" was a character invented by novelist Frank Baum in The Wizard of Oz, but he replaced her with the more mid-western, less Jewish character of "Auntie Em."
A. Jones Added Dec 8, 2017 - 9:40pm
to set all of the anti-Semites and ignoramuses straight?
 
Been there, done that. Reread the post above with the excerpt regarding the British Palestine Mandate of 1922.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 9, 2017 - 2:00am
"what did Dr. Green say that made him an antisemite in your mind?  Curious. 
 
Fair enough. I'll file Rupert Green under the category of "history ignoramuses", and not "anti-Semites.""
"what did Dr. Green say that made him an antisemite in your mind?  Curious" (Jeff)
 
Thanks Jeff. I will take history ignoramus over anti-Semite, even though I made no substantive historical contribution to the discussion. I do note how concerned individuals , even Jews, are cowered into silence with the designation.  I will still ask: How did the people of the world sit back and watch what happened to the Jewish people? Is their present treatment of the Palestinians informative of the question? 
 
A. Jones Added Dec 9, 2017 - 3:27am
even though I made no substantive historical contribution to the discussion
 
Actually, you've made no contribution of any kind whatsoever to this thread. But most of your statements — those that are intelligible — rest on historical falsehoods. 
 
It is sad that the Palestinians are seen and treated as subhumans, and the spineless UN lets it happen.
 
Wrong. The UN is one of the strongest supporters of Palestinian Arabs.
 
Other countries are destroyed for broaching a UN resolution, but Israel is allowed to without sanction. 
 
Historically wrong. Israel has received much censure from the UN for defending its right to exist and to subdue terrorism.
 
for good reason, the American people has in its unwritten constitution, no Jew as president. 
 
What "unwritten contract"? Sounds like an antisemitic statement to me. I’ll revise my former post to include you, again, in the antisemite category, as well as the historical ignoramus one. Congratulations.
 
“When the Jews were doing all that horrible things to the Germans. no one spoke up.”
 
Huh?
 
It's an anology of the slaughter.
 
What slaughter? Another ignorant statement derived from ignorance of history.
 
Has our society lost the ability to conjure.
 
“Conjure”? I take it English is not your first language. Do you have a first language?
 
I wonder if the British had used the terrorist designation against the early settlers' uprising there would be a US?
 
The word "terrorism" was first used in print in the late 1790s, at least 20 years after the War of Independence.
 
You have no ability to “conjure”. The early settlements were British colonies. Arabs don’t live in “Jewish colonies.” You’re like someone trying to watch TV by listening to the radio.
 
What of the South African freedom fighters? Would Blacks be still under apartheid if they were designated terrorist? 
 
Black “freedom fighters” were, in fact, often labeled as terrorists, including Mandela. 
 
The salient point here is the Jewish people suffered hell under the Germans. 
 
They also suffered under the Poles, the Russians, the Ukrainians, the Hungarians, and many others. You have no “salient point.”
 
HOW CAN THE JEWISH PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE GOD'S CHOSEN AND ARE INFLICTING SUCH OPPRESSION ON A PEOPLE, AFTER THEY HAVING EXPERIENCED THE SAME HELL, EXPECT THE WORLD TO SIT BY AND DO NOTHING?
 
You have it backward. It is Palestinian Arabs who inflict oppression on Jews, especially if the Jews are young, secular, and leftist. Those kinds of Jews are the favorite targets for Palestinian terrorism. Then when they are blown up in hotel lobbies, discos, and falafel joints, it is the world that stands by and does nothing for the victims.
 
Question: What sort of "doctor" are you?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 9, 2017 - 5:48am
"“When the Jews were doing all that horrible things to the Germans. no one spoke up.”
 
Huh?
 
"It's an anology of the slaughter."
 
The reverse happened.  Even Mickey mouse knew this.

"What slaughter? Another ignorant statement derived from ignorance of history."
 
The slaughter of the Jewish people
 
"Has our society lost the ability to conjure."
 
If you had the ability to conjure/ employ allusion you would not have made comments in bold.
 
"Question: What sort of "doctor" are you?"
 
I have long known that when ignorant is bliss, this folly to be wise.
Thus I make no pretense at being wise, rather I  mostly question to seek wisdom. Additionally, I couch my responses in figure of speech. 
 
Please my above response to derive understanding to the rest of your s.
 
Oh yes, I love your following bolded responses.
 
What would you say of your supporter who let aggressors use phosphor bombs on you?
It would appear the UN is being a false friend of the Palestinians so as not to have the Arabs unite if Israel inflict harsher punishment on them (Palestinians).
 
"It is sad that the Palestinians are seen and treated as subhumans, and the spineless UN lets it happen.
 
Wrong. The UN is one of the strongest supporters of Palestinian Arabs."
A. Jones Added Dec 9, 2017 - 11:26pm
What would you say of your supporter who let aggressors use phosphor bombs on you?
 
Do some research before sticking your foot in your mouth and attempting to speak. There are no "white phosphorus bombs". White phosphorus is used in two different kinds of shells: a smoke-screen shell for obscuring troop movements in enemy urban areas; and an incendiary shell used in rural areas for marking. The use of the latter kind of shell in urban areas would be lethal to civilians but guess what? Israel has never used white phosphorus incendiary shells in urban areas; it has only used white phosphorous smoke-screen shells, especially during its incursion into Gaza in 2009 during Operation Cast Lead.
 
The British "Observer" newspaper even issued a retraction of its accusation that Israel had deployed incendiary shells over civilian population centers in urban environments in Gaza. 
 
There's nothing illegal about using smoke-screen shells in urban environments.
 
Groups such as Human Rights Watch rely on Palestinian Arab sources for their information. It's obvious from those reports that they are fabrications or staged for the benefit of the western press. Moreover, Hamas (which controls Gaza) has access to its own white phosphorus incendiary shells sourced from China, Russia, and Iran. Would Hamas intentionally use its own civilians, including children, as targets, for the sake of blaming the IDF? Yes, it would. Just as Hamas has no problem using women and children as human shields or in hiding caches of weapons under schools and hospitals.
 
So much for the white-phosphorous disinformation.
 
It would appear the UN is being a false friend of the Palestinians so as not to have the Arabs unite if Israel inflict harsher punishment on them (Palestinians).
 
The UN not only sends money to the PA and Hamas but usually votes in favor of Palestinians on many issues.. The consistent objectors in these votes have been the U.S., the UK, and Australia. You can verify this by checking the voting records of member nations.
 
I couch my responses in target="_blank">figure of speech.
 
Your English isn't strong enough to use figures of speech correctly. For example, you've misused the word "allusion", just as you've misused the word "conjure."
 
Stick to making clear, intelligible, literal statements.
 
Since you've admitted being neither an M.D. nor a Ph.D., there's no reason for anyone here to continue the farce of calling you "Dr."
 
Going forward, I'll call you "Rupee".
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Dec 10, 2017 - 1:31pm
A. Jones
 
"Groups such as Human Rights Watch rely on Palestinian Arab sources for their information."
 
That is because they do not need the truth while propaganda sources are available.
 
Nice post. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Dec 10, 2017 - 5:05pm
There have been many here who got a lift from their Johnson by continually being the gramma police. Not me. I apologist for my faulty construction and for deviating from the orthography, etymology, syntax, and prosody that is the construct of gramma.  i find WB a great relief from writing to help clients attaining. terminal degrees. I do include some malapropism to help those unknowing of my modem operandi get a hard from being able to correct someone. Far be it for me to deprive anyone of same.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 10, 2017 - 7:02pm
Dr. Green sez: There have been many here who got a lift from their Johnson by continually being the gramma police...and the remainder of that comment!! LOL
A. Jones Added Dec 10, 2017 - 8:51pm
 I do include some malapropism to help those unknowing of my modem operandi
 
Well, lawdy, lawdy, lawdy! I do believe you be a "dim, dere's, and dat's" kinda guy.
Jeff Michka Added Dec 11, 2017 - 3:41pm
A Jones: LOL

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