Muslims Are Warriors

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A Muslim woman shows her affection for a fighter.

 

Jihad is the worst thing about Islam. Jihad is the best thing about Islam. This article will offend Westerners across the board from left to right.

 

As early as I can remember I had Muslim friends. As a child there was no time to reflect what makes Muslims Muslims, what characteristics I liked and which ones I didn’t like. Naturally, it took me a while to even notice that some of my childhood friends were Muslims.

 

The media does not openly discuss cultural differences. Many people in the Western World don’t have much exposure to Islam. So I can only reflect my own very subjective, personal experience. It taught me some of the things that Muslims do better than Westerners: generosity, friendliness, charm, humor, (some of their) family values, loyalty, cheekiness, religiosity, traditionalism, and unflinching support for whatever help you need.

 

Better known are their handicaps: You have to talk them out of weird conspiracy theories all the time; you are likely to be one of the first to normalize homosexuality in conversations with them; there is no understanding for democratic ideas and you see a myriad of yucky social problems more prevalent in the Muslim community than in others (pedophilia, rape, criminality ….).

 

Since the Salman Rushdie fatwa and more so since 9/11 the West is in conflict with Islam, but we are too dishonest to acknowledge it. Bush spoke about ‘war on terror’ and even that was too honest for the left that subsequently called everything terror to dilute the notion. Soon the word Islamism was popularised and never defined. What ideas are the bad ideas? The demarcation is lost in the taboo. Anti-Islam activists try to separate ‘ideas’ and ‘people’ to eschew the confrontation. Ultimately, when pressed by the left they all throw the towel and claim that the idea, the ideology, the thing they fight against is really the jihad.

 

This white-lie dishonesty is again met with more dishonesty. The left will go on to ignore all Islamist wars and pretend that the only problems are terror attacks in the West. As we are all forced to accommodate left-wing madness, I use the word Islamism whenever Islam sucks. My white lie is that I claim to have separate concepts for Islam and Islamism. Many people tell that lie. As if this was not enough, Islam is in an honesty crisis itself.

 

Let’s shed some light on this!

 

For about a year or so, I actually had distilled a concept for Islamism or the crisis of Islam. In the light of day it is the conceptualization of the flaws, the things that went wrong. I will come to this later. For now, I want to start with the long-standing traditional Islam.

 

Traditional Islam is anything but a dishonest culture, rather the opposite. The often quoted concept of taqiyya does not mean deception. It is the realistic idea that under a foreign rule one may have to hide one’s religion, practice in secret and, yes, resort to white lies. It is fairly innocent. The fact that the holy book does even talk about it and its only acceptable application speaks for the honesty of Islam.

 

Traditional Islam does not only rule when white lies can be told, it also goes into great detail when violence is acceptable. For this discussion, I want to leave the civil and family law aspects of sharia aside and talk about war, about jihad.

 

The world is split in two lands: dar al-Islam and dar al-harb, the land under submission and the land of war. You may have an epiphany right now about my taqiyya explanation. Muslims in the land of the (yet to be had) war can tell white lies if, and only if, they face danger.

 

Islam is also very clear about when jihad is called. Either is a proper caliphate established, led by a descendent of the Prophet to engage dar al-harb on the battlefield, or the ummah faces an actual attack. After the fall of the Ottoman Caliphate, its resurrection can be expected at the end of times when the final battle is called upon in all Abrahamic religions.

 

If you can accept that Islam is a warrior culture, it gets easier to deal with: Don’t attack Muslims! Yet both the right and the left don’t understand this. The right goes on and on about violent passages in the scripture. They don’t understand that a warrior culture that dishes out brutal, merciless responses to enemy attacks and that shows ultimate graciousness, generosity and loyalty to allies is exactly the kind of culture you want to live in and to be friends with. It is easy to be an ally of Muslims.

 

The (benevolent) left on the other hand denies the sheer fact that Islam is anything but a religion of peace. Given their Marxist background, which they often fail to understand, they don’t have any intellectual tools to explain the world other than their materialist, economic reasoning. It is often comical how they must ignore blatantly stated motivations of other people in a variety of social settings.

 

If you talk to Pakistanis or look at their social media accounts, you will find that it is not even much of a matter of piety or national pride that makes them enjoy the killing of enemies, it is the joy of the joy. They love it!

 

pakistan.gifPakistan TV channels unapologetically relish in the death of Indian soldiers

 

But what is wrong, what went wrong, what do I conceptualize as Islamism? Islam is in moral decline and fails to identify her enemies correctly. Islam declines from a lower place than our culture. There were always the pitfalls of antisemitism, sharia oppression and lack of democratic principles, and yet, although starting from a lower place, it is a decline.

 

The root of evil was laid in Egypt during the second World War when the country was in alliance with another then already corrupted warrior culture, the Germans. An anti-imperialist movement emerged that distributed Hitler’s Mein Kampf. It’s name: the Muslim Brotherhood. Inspired by the Nazis, they took on the emasculated victimhood culture laid out in Mein Kampf, which declared Germans a victim of parasitic Jews. Soon other socialist sources of inspiration were found. They all had in common that they riled people up for a revolution and declared the smallest dislikes attacks against their people, attacks which legitimise jihad.

 

Notoriously pragmatic and hands-down, the Brotherhood left the path of traditional Islam to gain power and influence across the world. They were intellectual. They did not only take ideas from the West, they were also psychologically savvy enough to find its weaknesses. The goal was never to engage in traditional war, not even in terrorism, but to infiltrate the West and make use of its weaknesses, which became more and more obvious. So they departed from traditional Islam a second time and tried to present themselves as Westerners.

 

To keep the jihad legitimization alive they had to find a niche to fit in, the anti-imperialism rhetoric of the Nazis to rally allies against the French and the British was no longer enough. They had to pose as a ‘minority’ like blacks, women and gays.

 

Either consciously or subconsciously, the strategy adapted to the West and most suitable to infiltrate that effeminate culture, has become to adopt female fighting strategies. As a result of evolution women battle for status in their hierarchies by attacking other people’s reputation, ostracize foes and get higher authorities (usually from the parallel male hierarchy) enraged enough to do the physical attacks for them.

 

So instead of taking up arms this once proud warriors, run their mouthes, spin conspiracy theories, found one media outlet after the other, buy entire university departments to rewrite history, form whiny pressure groups, and produce an endless string of hoax crime claims. Their coy representatives don’t admit their alliances and constantly put women out into the public that claim to be hyper-modern while their demands are aimed at improving the image of Islam and further the jihad fueling victimhood cult. Because emasculation does not go down well with all warriors, there is an effort to psychologically appeal to childhood memories. Rallies are held over disliked cartoons and the sissy anti-islamophobia hotline in Great Britain is even given the name ‘Tell Mama’ (no joke).

 

Many Westerners don’t even realise that we have an entirely effeminate public discourse now, which replaces arguments with ad hominem attacks on reputation and appeals first and foremost to women and emasculated beta-males. The Muslim mass immigration is called a refugee crisis of thirty-year old ‘children’, focus of the US political debate is put on the DACA ‘minors’, every intellectual dissent may hurt feelings and violence is always bad.

 

The original pacifism of the early Muslim Brotherhood in the 1940s was purely organisational. They did not believe to have the weaponry to battle dar al-harb directly. Given their inferior military position they are now appealing to the Western feminine discourse and claim to be peace absolutists – whenever Western troops advance and only then.

 

This entire degradation through emasculation in order to fit into the Western political discourse and to pose as jihad-worthy attack victims was paralleled by military defeats against Israel. Most significant was the loss of the Six-Day War in 1967 that shamed them so much that Syria experienced a coup d’etat in 1970 and Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser’s health deteriorated rapidly leading to his demise (also in 1970).

 

Tides changed in 1973 with the Yom-Kippur War. The Arabs punched way above their weight class and won. Being Jewish myself I apologize for the following ice-cold analysis at this point, which is on purpose free of moral considerations. Israel and the West claim that Israel won, but by their own goals and really all standards the Arabs won. 2,656 Israeli soldiers could be killed (about 2 in every thousand Jewish males in Israel at the time) which is terrific for a religion whose founder demanded the extermination of all Jews shortly before his death. Prime Minister Golda Meir was forced to resign in shame. Egypt’s president Sadat was not removed and soon a bold wish list would emerge as the ultimate trophy, the ‘peace process’.

 

Israel lost the war by accepting Egypt’s submission and not dictating hard terms. If Sadat had been removed, some democratic institution enforced and a visible change had been brought about to mark a victory, the world would have believed it. Instead Israel left with minor demands, asking for girly protections and a base-line recognition. This is all very sensible and was the raison d’être for Israel’s military engagement, but it is not the language a warrior culture understands. It commands no respect.

 

It is not even the language men in the rest of the world understand. There are not as many antisemites as there are UN pseudo-antisemites. These phony on-camera pussies, who talk love and peace to feminine or effeminate ears, are all impressed by the Arab’s military prowess and demand that the trophy, the ‘peace process’, ‘Camp David Accords’, and what not, to be handed over. 'You work down the wish list or you are against the precious "peace"’, they whine to the public, but when they meet an Arab colleague in the men’s room, they will tap on his shoulder and utter, ‘badass war’, ‘good fight’, ‘yeah, tough, considering your weapons’.

 

How do we solve this? I personally believe that the Western left is far too deep down in their ideology to change. The nefarious thought leaders will continue to whip up ‘the revolution’ by encouraging the Muslim Brotherhood victimhood-induced jihad. The naive followers cannot cope with the very idea of a warrior culture. It is not even in the repertoire of their intellectual tools, tools that only allow them to understand the world in economic terms.

 

The sensible must engage warriors as warriors. We must communicate like them, not like the Brotherhood. The Obama apology tour translated to a display of weakness. The unapologetic embassy movement by Trump is understood as taking away a part of their trophy. Foreign aid is seen as appreciation for firing rockets because the payments come in bigger numbers whenever Israel is forced to respond. The response to the lie ‘You deliberately kill x many children every week’ should not be ‘They were less’, ‘It wasn’t deliberate’ , ‘We are sorry.’ and so on. Warriors rather understand, ‘We have down different numbers, but if you send more stone and molotov cocktail throwers, we are more than happy to kill them, too!’

 

I believe we have to enlighten the warriors. Muslims have been handed a raw deal by the Brotherhood. They must understand that their masterminds abuses their cultural sentiments to stage the overdue Marxist revolution through jihad. Islam stands on the crossroads: Do they want to be an honest, manly and proud warrior culture that can face the challenges of its time, the establishment of democracies and the resolve of their plenty social problems? Or will they descend into dishonest victimhood wussies that must call ‘Tell Mama’ when the wrong gender pronouns become a dramatized attack to the ummah in need of a jihadi reprisal?

 

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Comments

Dino Manalis Added Dec 26, 2017 - 5:16pm
For the most part, Muslims are still backward and need stability and world pressure on regimes for economic and democratic reforms without destabilizing them.
Tamara Wilhite Added Dec 26, 2017 - 7:42pm


Islamic terrorism is NOT due to modern hijacking by Communism. The faith itself is inherently violent when practiced in a fundamental form. The proof includes:


* Coptic Christians in Egypt getting murdered on a regular basis by Muslims whipped up by imams' sermons.

They're 10% of the population now - used to be 90% - numbers whittled down as they're slowly victimized, oppressed and subject to violent pogroms by Muslims to scare many into converting.


* Christians and atheists in Pakistan regularly targeted for Islamic terrorist attacks.


The violence against the unbelievers in Islamic states is justified because their unbelief is seen as an affront / offense to Muslims, and like social justice theology, an offense to the one is equated to an attack on all unbelievers.

Pakistan's courts have even sent people to death for blasphemy for citing Christian dogma when challenged as to what they believe. Their sin, the justification for the violence against, them is the same - Islam will only tolerate unbelievers if they thoroughly submit to third class taxes in an oppressive regime designed to pressure them a dozen ways to convert.

And denying them the right to self-defense and committing terrorism periodically against them is seen as moral, since it will scare some into converting to Islam for their literal safety. This is why Shariah law mandated by the Koran says it is illegal for any non-Muslim to own a weapon and forgiving any Muslim murderer who can say the victim was a blasphemer.


* The odds that a Muslim will become a terrorist is directly correlated to their fundamentalism.


No one is afraid of Buddhist monks hurting anyone. No one is afraid of a fundamentalist Sikh. The threat of fundamentalist Christians is overblown by liberal secularists who say a half dozen Christian murderers in as many years is proof the faith is bad, but ignore several hundred Islamic terrorist attacks around the world from car bombings to knife attacks to vehicular Jihad in Sydney a couple days ago.


No, the West just writes off nearly every Islamic terrorist event as a crazy lone wolf attack, don't blame the ideology, just be terrified of your neighbors suddenly and randomly murdering people, instead of an ideology that calls its members to conquer the world until all is in submission (the word Islam), whose founder was a warlord and personally beheaded hundreds, kept sex slaves and led war parties.

Yet you blame modern Islamic terrorism on modern Western politics, Communism and social justice spreading there. The only case of this was the US fomenting Islamic fundamentalism in Afghanistan against Russia. No, that's the 5% - the other 95% is the Islamic faith itself.


* Islam's spread across the whole planet except Indonesia by violent conquest.


We talk about the Muslim world as a monolith. It isn't. Sunni and Shia regularly kill each other. Sunni and Shia periodically kill Sufi and Almaddhiya Muslims. A peaceful religion wouldn't have such frequent sectarian violence Christianity abandoned generations ago.

Nor would it have spread almost entirely by violent conquest. The exception of Indonesia was simply because the island geography made Islamic military conquest there like the one that killed a hundred million Hindus and Buddhists in India impossible.
Leroy Added Dec 27, 2017 - 1:50am
Excellent article, Benjamin!  Helps me understand the Brotherhood better.  Helps me understand Huma Abedin and her purpose.  No doubt she will find another legislator to latch on to.  She's modern, fashionable, beautiful, and tied to the Brotherhood.  She would have been joined at the hip of Hillary, had she won. 
Maureen Foster Added Dec 27, 2017 - 4:37am
Muslims are Muslims.  To be sure, some believe in Jihad and choose to be warriors, others want peace and stability.  They are a diverse people and labeling them all “warriors,” is downright ugly. 
 
“I believe we have to enlighten the warriors. Muslims have been handed a raw deal by the Brotherhood.”
 
I have some good news to report, the Brotherhood is no longer in power in Egypt.   
opher goodwin Added Dec 27, 2017 - 4:46am
The idea of labelling anyone 'warrior' is archaic. There is nothing good about being a 'warrior' in this modern age.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 27, 2017 - 5:06am
Thank you, Leroy! Yes, Huma Abedin will find her way either to another legislator or to the media/entertainment. In the worst case (for them) she would emerge as an activist. But I think she is too precious for that.
 
Thank you, Tamara, for this long and thoughtful comment.
- Coptic Christians have slowly dropped in numbers over the centuries. As I have stated above Islam has a lot of social problems and the discrimination, sometimes progroms, is real. This is, however, not in line with Islamic morals that ask Muslims to leave Christians alone and only to take a special tax, the jizya, from them.
- Christians and atheists in Pakistan are expected to practice their faith in private (or in the latter case to be silent about it). This is indeed in line with traditional Islam. I don't condone this. My point is that the majority of violence and recruitment practices are based on a very different set of ideas now which asks for Jihad. Things have sped up in the 20th century. Egypt may have taken centuries to convert. Lebanon just fell to Islam in no time because they put the narrative out there that they were under attack.
-committing terrorism periodically against them is seen as moral
No, it isn't. Even the harshest polls asking for 'can violence be justified' indicate that hardly anybody thinks a different faith is reason enough to attack somebody.
The odds that a Muslim will become a terrorist is directly correlated to their fundamentalism.
No, actually it isn't. It is directly linked to being in the victimhood mode. Didn't some of the 9/11 attackers even sleep with prostitutes before the job?
an ideology that calls its members to conquer the world until all is in submission
No, Islam expects a final battle at the end of times. They do not expect to conquer the entire world. There is always a dar al-Islam and a dar al-harb.
 
Terrorism was hardly a thing before the Muslim Brotherhood. Muslims are traditionally only allowed to engage in jihad if it is ordered by the Kalif. Something like a 'lone wolfe' (inspired by the ideology) is not sanctioned in the old Islam. You get your orders to fight and don't be proactive unless you are attacked. The problem are people who tell Muslims that they are attacked all the time.
 
Maureen: The Brotherhood does not have to hold offices in Egypt to gain influence. Yes, Muslims are people. I am just explaining the larger emergent characteristics. Some cultures are nomadic, other cultures are agricultural, another culture is into fishing, and Islam is by and large a warrior culture.
 
Opher: I was not aware that warrior is seen as offensive. It is still the best term for my purpose.
opher goodwin Added Dec 27, 2017 - 9:04am
Benjamin - we need to do away with warriors. The world has had its fill of eager zealots full of adrenaline and fired up on ideology dispensing violence. What we need are people as fired up about peace, solving problems and protecting the planet.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 27, 2017 - 9:09am
Opher: We also need warriors as long as there are bad actors around.
Dave Volek Added Dec 27, 2017 - 11:33am
Benjamin
This was an excellent article in that it paints a different picture of Islam than what one is used to seeing in the media. I can't say that I agree with everything in your article, but when this kind of honest perspective is a good place to start building a better understanding. 
Dave Volek Added Dec 27, 2017 - 11:39am
Tamara
 
Muslim terrorists are killing far more Muslims than Christians or Jews. The media has a tendency to under report Muslim victims and over report non-Muslim victims.
 
For people of this terrorist mindset, religion is an ostensible reason their actions. They are more concerned about power and control over others rather than the "will of God." Part of that control is their ability to convince young men and women to strap on explosives and blow themselves up.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 27, 2017 - 12:52pm
Dave: Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I always try to be as honest as possible very obviously taking into account to p*ss everybody off. ;-)
 
The media has a tendency to underreport the Islamic violence whenever that is possible. Chinese victims are just as hidden as Muslim victims. It is because they CAN. If there was no language barrier we would hear about terror attacks every single day.
opher goodwin Added Dec 27, 2017 - 2:03pm
Benjamin - you're not after setting them on Mel Gibson are you?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 27, 2017 - 2:06pm
Opher, I don't know enough about Mel Gibson to understand your question.
mark henry smith Added Dec 27, 2017 - 2:13pm
Very good analysis of Islamic thinking in the modern world, and I agree Benjamin, that the world needs warriors, people willing to fight and die to protect basic freedoms. And I support the Israeli willingness to do this, as I reject their techniques in dealing with the people they have power over in the occupied territories. But that is not my point here.
 
My point is that Islam is not a culture. It is many cultures based on the many countries in which it has become the dominant religion. Judaism is a culture. Christianity is not a culture. Socialism is not a culture. Nazism was and is not a culture. These other movements are religious and social in nature, but they do not rise to level of culture. Blackness is not a culture. African-American is not a culture. It's a made-up identity meant to distance blacks in America from pursuing the values that are paramount to success in the US. The tribal affiliations of American blacks and how they see themselves is so diverse that it caused Colin Powell to say, I am not and will not accept being called African American. (paraphrase)
 
The reality of Judaism is that all Jews regardless of race, nationality, etc... are accepted as Jewish. That's a culture. It's the same for Italians and Iranians. The religious question does not create cultural identity, only muddies it. How strange that we can call Christianity a culture when we have churches that exclude people of the same faith but of a different color? The same with Islam. Both prophets were all about inclusion of the faithful, (except women for some reason, although Mohammed worshiped his wife and Christ was closer to Mary Magdeline? than just about all the disciples) not exclusion based on externalities that have nothing to do with the quality of your character.
 
Faith is not to be judged by the crosses you wear, but by the crosses you bear. 
 
You are a quality character in my estimation, Benjamin, as one warrior to another. Peace and love.     
aCultureWarrior Added Dec 27, 2017 - 2:35pm
Some "warrior" your false prophet/pedophile Mohammed was Ben.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/46/fd/7f/46fd7f733822d28e91f4cd6b2468251d.jpg
 
aCultureWarrior Added Dec 27, 2017 - 2:38pm
opher goodwin Added Dec 27, 2017 - 2:39pm
Ben - Opher: We also need warriors as long as there are bad actors around. 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 27, 2017 - 3:57pm
m h smith: Thank you for this very flattering comment.
the world needs warriors, people willing to fight and die
Jihad is the best thing about Islam. Muslims understand that there are things worthier than our lives.
 
I am under the impression people have difficulties to define the words religion, culture and social movement. I don't feel that we should explore this on this comment section. Maybe you feel like writing up your thoughts systematically as an article?
 
How strange that we can call Christianity a culture when we have churches that exclude people of the same faith but of a different color?
By and large, the intolerance of Christians is a myth. Peace and love.
 
For those who wonder why aCultureWarrior posts an image about pedophilia, you should know that he is a Roy Moore fan. Just kidding.
Mohammet's credentials as a warrior are not contested.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 27, 2017 - 8:11pm
Interesting article, Benjamin.
Christianity also prophesies an END Times Battle. It's called Armageddon.
It appears Trump's devoted base of Christian Evangelicals who adore and support him without question, just what he wants, are ecstatic with his Jerusalem Embassy move because it brings the world closer to Armageddon.
Seems they are doing the Devils work and don't realize it.
 


And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (false beliefs about God in Judaism, Christianity & Islam, written some 500 years before Islam, the 3rd arm of the Jewish religious record appeared) 
 
For they are the spirits of DEVILS, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth (the 1%, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Senators, CEOs, and other Idols of the People) and of the whole world, (the rest of Humanity) to gather them to the Battle of that Great Day of God Almighty. (the war is already underway between Judaism, Christianity and Islam leading to the climax of that Great Day) 
Behold, I come as a thief. (when you least expect it) 
Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 
Revelation 16:13-16
Armageddon was derived from Har Megiddo, located in Judea and Samaria of occupied Palestine 2000 years ago. Israel as a kingdom disappeared some 800 years before Jesus walked in that area during the occupation.

Har Megiddo/Armageddon still exists as a physical place in this material world, but is now under the control of temporal Israel re-created from the Bible after an absence of some 2800 years. After all those years, the occupation of Judea and Samaria in Palestine is still an unresolved, violent, open wound in the Middle East and this material world.

aCultureWarrior Added Dec 28, 2017 - 12:25am
Now that it's been established that the false prophet Mohammed was a pedophile (in his late 40's he married 6 year old Aisha and 3 years later "consummated" the so-called marriage when she was the ripe old age of 9.  For those of you who don't understand what consummated means, 52 year old Mohammed raped a 9 year old girl).
 
But wait, there's more!
 
Mohammed was a mass murderer as well as being a pedophile:
 
Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Muhammad and Mass Murder
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Muhammad_and_Mass_Murder
 
Filthy barbarians.
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 28, 2017 - 6:07am
Cormier: Thank you, Ray! As far as I remember the return of Christ and the Armageddon are not the devil's work and that nothing, not even moving holy embassies, can rush that. You quote yourself that Jesus comes like an unexpected thief. Jesus also adviced not to fear it.
 
aCultureWarrior: I don't condone mass murder and pedophilia. Child marriage is indeed one of the social problems that must be resolved. It can't be done with infantilization ('Tell Mama') and narcissist victimhood cult. Mohammet's warfare became ever dirtier the older he became.
 
Both marriage with more than four women and declaring war was a privilege of the Prophet. With the end of the Ottoman Empire the sunnis lost their caliphate (the shia have lost theirs before - the by far largest group, >85% of shia Muslims, believes that the twelve successors of Mohammet have already come and gone). Consequently, some of Mohammets behavior is not accepted by anybody lesser than him. This moral can be used for a Muslim theology that points out that Mohammet is the perfect moral example and yet he must not be followed in everything. Unfortunate behavior can be declare as a privilege.
opher goodwin Added Dec 28, 2017 - 6:08am
ACW - Yep the Koran is full of culturally repugnant things - but so is the Old Testaments - let's smash a few babies heads on rocks.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 28, 2017 - 6:10am
Opher: Could you please quote the Quran and the Jewish bible where they advertise your leftwing abortion theology? Thanks in advance.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 8:22am
The problem is not Muslim or Christian. It's that naive belief in religion altogether that makes that shit possible.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 28, 2017 - 8:58am
Benjamin, I think I know the English Language well enough, and this says to me it's 3 DEVILS leading the world to Armageddon through the kings of the Earth. Brackets are my interpretation.
 
I'm certainly open to considering other interpretations if others volunteer any, but I think the words are quite explicit.
 
For they are the spirits of DEVILS, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth (the 1%, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Senators, CEOs, and other Idols of the People) and of the whole world, (the rest of Humanity) to gather them to the Battle of that Great Day of God Almighty. (the war is already underway between Judaism, Christianity and Islam leading to the climax of that Great Day) 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 9:25am
Ben
 
I forgot to thank you for that article. Also in the name of my wife, which is Muslim and doesn't attack people every day..., but also in the name of my business partner and dear friend in Senegal, which is also Muslim, and could show as an example for humanism.
 
Best greetings from an Atheist LOL
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 28, 2017 - 9:30am
You quote yourself that Jesus comes like an unexpected thief. Jesus also adviced not to fear it.
 
Correction: I quote the Bible
The Believers know it and don't fear it.
Those going through life oblivious to what's happening in this big World beyond the individual with blinders on, don't know, and will not be ready when Christ does come like a thief in the night. Surprise!
 
I believe the Old Testament term from the Book of Daniel, "abomination that makes desolation" in the spirit of the letter in our Time, means 'A-bom-i-Nations' The "i" is for the 2 Nations that think International Law is for the other Nations to follow, but not them. They're exceptional!
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 9:31am
Ray
 
There are 2 possibilites:
 
1. You think these scriptures realize.
2. You think these scriptures are being realized.
 
Which is your thought about it ?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 28, 2017 - 10:29am
SEF: Thank you, too. Best greetings to your wife and your Senegalese friends.
Cormier: Not for any argument, but for my sheer curiosity, can you tell me which verse talks about the devils coming out of the mouths? I find the book of revelations a difficult read and I'm not so well-versed in it?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 10:34am
Thanks Ben :-)
mark henry smith Added Dec 28, 2017 - 12:46pm
When we start believing that things will happen, and start seeing signs, there's a good chance they will happen, and that's by design.
 
Listen, please, Christ said very little in comparison to what was said about him by people who never knew him.  I do believe he said that he did not come to save the world, but the souls of men, because it makes sense. Only through the salvation of the souls of men/women do we have any chance at saving this world. ARMAGEDDON are you kidding me? I was watching the news and some woman was all excited that it was starting, so ready to watch the suffering of people she doesn't like and then meet her maker. I would have advised her to go smash her head against some rocks.
 
Economists know that the best way to make something in economics is to convince people that it will. The market will soar, if enough people believe that, it does. But to make it tank, that can happen just as quickly, if people feel there is an alternative for their money. The reason the market has been so beneficial is that alternatives have been stripped of returns. Hasn't it occurred to people that interest rates might have been kept artificially low by the purchasing of private bonds by the government to keep the market attractive. What is it that I heard, that the wealth of the 500 richest people in the world rose by a trillion dollars last year. Try to wrap your mind around that.
 
As far as Mohammed and his child brides, let's not imagine that we were in his haram and know what went down. Attitudes were different then and rape wasn't what it is today, and the idea of children being sexual creatures wasn't verboten, because only an idiot would think they aren't. So many children are fascinated by sex, they just don't understand it, all the implications. But this myth were creating that children have to be protected from learning about sex is exactly what a porn culture wants, to have sex be this dirty, little secret, a sporting event, a desire over which we have no control.
 
The Good Samaritan. Athiest, give me your hand in good faith and I will respect that hand more than a religious man who turns his back on the needy because he believes he can see evil in frogs coming out of the mouths of blasphemers. Or devils. I've never seen a devil, but I've met some really rotten cooks who couldn't even boil a frog.        
mark henry smith Added Dec 28, 2017 - 12:49pm
And now that I think about it, it was the hundred richest people in the world. And nobody supports abortion. They only support slavery less.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 28, 2017 - 12:49pm
S-E please rephrase your question. I don't get it?
 
Benjamin the verse is cited with my original post.
The link is live to Revelation in the KJV
Revelation 16:13-16
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 9:43am
Ray
 
What I meant is: Do ancient scriptures realize by any "wonder" or are they being realized on purpose to get some specific results ? You see, you can make people believe anything, and when something arrives "on time" they are already prepared for it...
 
Imagine a hologram of Jesus that appears over South America and Africa. What would people who have never been to school think ?
 
A wonder !
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 9:51am
BTW: To me, religion is bullshit. Evil. Why ? Because the educational part "Love thy neighbor" is NOT followed by those hypocrit believers. They pray for the sake of praying, for themselves and because they've been taught to do that. How many of them give a shit about starving people around the world and do something ? Nofucking body almost. I'm engaged in Africa for more than 20 years now, and I know quite a few "Christian" organisations there.
 
They stay in luxury apartments or houses and write reports.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 9:54am
BTW2 Ray: Sorry, that subject raises my temper. Not against you.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 29, 2017 - 10:23am
Cormier: Thanks for the quote and the link.
m h smith: The book Revelation of John (Armageddon) is indeed the most controversial of all biblical books. It makes for great psychodelic literature, but its canonisation was heavily contested. All important theologians took issue with it. The Syrian orthodox church does not include it in the bible. The Russian and Greek orthodox churches leave the writing in the text, but had reached an agreement to never refer to the text in the mess. German Lutherans and Catholics have no formal agreement, but treat it like the Russian orthodox church.
Nice words about the priority of rescuing souls. This is left to g-d, or for the Christian Holy Ghost, as g-d closes the heart of some. It is also god that opens the hearts. We are in charge of saving our own souls as selfish as that sounds, it is enough of a job to do.
We now know the devastating psychological effects of sex with children. It was not known in Mohammet's time.
Jesus said you recognise a tree by its fruit. That's a good image. An atheist who does good has better chances of getting his heart opened by g-d in the course of his eternal life than a hypocrite. No need to rush. No need to try to save the souls of others.
SEF: I also see an issue with people trying to project their ideology on ancient scripture. I think the Book of Revelation is most appealing to those who use the bible as a Rohrschach test. It's scatchy enough. It is much harder to accept and *partly) reject the ideas of other (ancient or modern) than it is to bend the ideas to one's own liking.
Yes, Ray, most certainly does not dwell in luxury as a hypocrite. I think he tries his best. When Ray and I disagree, it is because I feel that he is not reading the scripture as is, but as he wants it to be.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 10:57am
Ben
 
Humans should meanwhile  be enuff intelligent ... or .. empathic to know how the world should work. But they don't. Why ? Because we're animals.
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 29, 2017 - 2:31pm
More background on the military prowess of the Arabs during the Yom Kippur War:
http://writerbeat.com/articles/7622-Operation-Badr-s-Bad-Surprise-Arab-Deception-in-the-Yom-Kippur-War
Jeff Michka Added Dec 29, 2017 - 6:17pm
aCW sez: Now that it's been established that the false prophet Mohammed was a pedophile-You mean Muhammed is Roy Moore?  They shoulda "vetted" him better. LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 7:07pm
What is a "false" prophet ? Why wasn't there another "prophet" since Mohammed ? Think. Jesus was a hippie, Mohammed was a pedophile, Moses liked spaghetti and god likes mountain bikes. If there's no written proof for all that, call me.
John Minehan Added Dec 29, 2017 - 7:27pm
I don't know.
 
Some of this makes sense, but a lot of this is wide of the mark.
 
Like Catholicism, Islam (both Sunni and Shia) have borrowed a lot of cultural tropes from the populations that adopted the faith.  In Afghanistan, in the old days, being a good Muslim was equated to following Pashtunwalli . . . even though many elements of Pashtunwalli    (like Badal forced marriages to settle blood feuds) is contrary to Islam.  Things like FGM are not Islamic and are cultural borrowings.
 
BUT, since the 1980s of so, more fundamentalist Muslims (Deobandis from Pakistan and Wahabis from the KSA, for example) have been teaching a more fundamentalist Islam.  They have earned an audience where things like Pashtunwalli seem to be in the process of being displaced. 
 
It is, at a very simple level, President Obama's comment about people clinging to their guns and their religion in hard times.  But it is also an artifact with a strong historical pedigree. 
 
It is not unlike how a reformed Christianity in the early 16th Century displaced the Clan System in the Lowlands of Scotland or how German peasants wound up rising against their Lords in the Peasants' Wars in the 1520s.
 
Ever since the Ottoman Caliphate ended in 1923, the Dar-al-Islam has tried a number of political dispensations: Arab Monarchies; Dictatorships. Arab Socialist States . . . and none of them has had the Legitimacy of a Caliphate.
 
I suspect there will be a Caliphate by the middle of the next decade.  IS could not have grown as it did if there were not a perceived need for it.
 
However, I think the PRC and Russia lean towards Iran in the hope that a Shia Caliphate, built around Iran will at heart be something close to a Westphalian nation state and will never be truly legitimate or revolutionary.  (The current crisis in Iran may indicate that this will not work.)    
John Minehan Added Dec 29, 2017 - 7:40pm
The trick to understanding the Yom Kippur War is to understand that Sadat wanted to push the Israelis into negotiations by pushing it to the wall militarily.  He was, however, not trying to win as Nasser was in 1967 . . . . 
John Minehan Added Dec 29, 2017 - 7:41pm
Another good thing to keep in wind about 1973 is that it created VAST tensions between the USA and the USSR.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 29, 2017 - 8:40pm
John Minhan: Thank you for your informative comments.
 
I don't understand what is off the mark. You say that Islam borrowed from other cultures, but you find it off the mark that I say it borrowed some aspects of socialist culture. Some fighting words like 'eurocentrism' can clearly be traced to Marxist intellectuals.
 
Islam, like Judaism, is always fundamentalist. The basis of the debate is the scripture and not an institution like the pope or a church; Martin Luther called the concept 'sola scriptura' (only the scripture counts). The word is almost always used wrongly. What does Wahabism actually bring to the table? You may mean the trend to stricter adherence to sharia across the Muslim world since 1979. This is, however, neither a particular sect nor fundamentalism.
 
Almost every Iranian is a twelver shia Muslim. There will definitely be no shia Caliphate. I'm under the impression that the Iranians are quite fed up with their regime. I rather expect a revolt.
John Minehan Added Dec 29, 2017 - 9:07pm
"Islam, like Judaism, is always fundamentalist."
 
And yet . . . Judaism no longer stones adulterers even though that remains in the Torah.  Judaism is also VERY far from being "sola scriptura," in that it accepts an "Oral Torah."  (And Lutheranism, gave Catholicism the concept of a Magisterium.) 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 29, 2017 - 9:23pm
S-E F, your rephrased question was still inexact and vague, but as I interpret your words, this is a recent, not ancient, example of 'scripture' and the question you pose?
target="_blank">The Kansas City Times, September 13, 1976
target="_blank">“He came to town for the Republican National Convention and will stay until the election in November TO DO GOD'S BIDDING: To tell the world, from Kansas City, this country has been found wanting and its days are numbered […] He gestured toward a gleaming church dome. “The gold dome is the symbol of Babylon,” he said.” […] He wanted to bring to the Public’s attention an “idea being put out subtly and deceptively” by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia.”
 
It's taken over 40 years, but that 1976 FUTURE is NOW with the Revelation of the details GENERALLY unfolding in the spirit of the letter. The World is finally waking up to see Trump just may hasten “its days are numbered” part of the 1976 Public record.
 
Certainly for me, if not for you, watching the Revelation in the unfolding news events being broadcast these 41 years later GENERALLY in the spirit of that 1976 letter, as you pose, "when something arrives "on time" they are already prepared for it..."
 
BTW: To me, religion is bullshit. Evil. Why ? Because the educational part "Love thy neighbor" is NOT followed by those hypocrit believers.
 
Everyone can spot a hypocrite. You may equate "religion" with God, but don't discount God because some People don't practice what they preach. Christ knew/knows those hypocrites long before you identified them.
You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
This people draws close to me with their mouth, and honours me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
 
Christ is addressing those words to those who claim to believe, not Atheists like you.
 
The warning is already in the record, "Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.
 
Then all the hypocrites will be snared and exposed.
 
I agree with this comment by Benjamin downstream, "An atheist who does good has better chances of getting his heart opened by g-d in the course of his eternal life than a hypocrite."
 
And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority do you these things? and who gave you this authority?
And Jesus answered and said to them, I also will ask you one thing, which if you tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things.
 
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say to us, Why did you not then believe him?
But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet.
 
And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said to them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
But what do you think? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and did not go.
Which of the two did the will of his father? They say to him, The first. Jesus said to them, Verily I say to you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
 
Jesus spoke Truth to Power.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 29, 2017 - 10:01pm
Benjamin, this is weird! I feel the same way, only opposite to you. :-)
"When Ray and I disagree, it is because I feel that he is not reading the scripture as is, but as he wants it to be."
 
With your interest in the verses from Revelation concerning Armageddon posted up stream, the words in the brackets are my reading of the scripture as is. Do we agree or disagree? If I'm not telling it like it is, what's your version of the word?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 30, 2017 - 2:21am
John Minehan: Sola scriptura as opposite to a reliance on an interpreter. How did lutheranism give catholicism the magisterium. There is no Magisterium in Lutheranism.
 
Ray: No, you don't take the words as is. A king is a king and not a senator, businessmen or whatever. A dragon is a dragon. A beast is a beast ...
My version of the Book of Revelations is that I don't recognise it. I think it's only a drug-influenced writing.
John Minehan Added Dec 30, 2017 - 7:04am
"How did lutheranism give catholicism the magisterium. There is no Magisterium in Lutheranism."
 
That might surprise Lutherans. 
 
How else do Early Church Fathers (like Augustine) enter the mix?  Indeed, how does Luther's Table Talk?  In fact, per people like Richard John Neuhaus and Andrew Greeley, Lutheran/Catholic dialogue popularized the term around the time of the Second Vatican Council.  
John Minehan Added Dec 30, 2017 - 7:13am
"Almost every Iranian is a twelver shia Muslim. There will definitely be no shia Caliphate. I'm under the impression that the Iranians are quite fed up with their regime. I rather expect a revolt."
 
They rather expected that in 1989, around the time Ruhollah Khomeini died.  It didn't happen. 
 
They rather expected that in 2009.  It didn't happen.
 
It might happen now.  It might not.  Probably what it turns on is the degree to which Iranian expansionism has impacted the poor and the working class in Iran, who have tended to support the current government more than the intelligentsia and the commercial class.   
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 30, 2017 - 8:20am
Benjamin, that's where you fundamental literalists miss the message and the spirit of the letter. God is not limited to the Old Testament and lives today. Kings have been replaced by Presidents and Prime Ministers. The CEOs are kings in their own realms
 
[15] And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, [...] -Revelation 6
 
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. (real birds are not unclean or hateful)
[3] For ALL nations (Israel & the US included) have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. -Revelation 18
 
As you see upstream in my reply to S-E F one line taken from the September 13, 1976 Kansas City Times Public Record says, "He gestured toward a gleaming church dome. “The gold dome is the symbol of Babylon,” he said.”"
 
This happened 25 years later;
REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST: 19/11 to 9/11
 
"A beast is a beast ...My version of the Book of Revelations is that I don't recognise it."
In other words it is, but is not to you, yet is!
 
[8] The beast that you saw was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. -Revelation 17
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:13am
Ray
 
god ..... lives today.
 
How do you define "life" ?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:17am
All that Shia and Sunni shit is no more than brainwashing and the dummies of the world fall for it. Allah is Allah. So all these people are in need to explain the difference of one Allah to the other....
 
That's why I say religion is bullshit. It kills more people than makes them "sociable".
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:20am
BTW: Same was the case with Catholics and Protestants. When you were a woman with red hair in the 15th century you were lucky to survive and not be burned at stake as a "witch"....
 
Same "god", but different interpretations led to the death of millions of people.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:25am
Ray
 
Sorry, I didn't refer to your comment to me.
 
But did it ever occur to you that the scriptures are not a self-fulfilling prophecy but some people or groups work for the goal to make them happen ?
 
Humans trying to play "god" is not a new thing.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:44am
Minehan:
That might surprise Lutherans. 
No, it doesn't. They know that they have no Magisterium. Rebellion against the institutions on the basis of the scripture is the core. I think it is the rebellious nature of fundamentalism that calls for all the slander against it. I don't know Neuhaus and Greely, but Lutherans have nothing to do with the Magisterium. Try to specify what you refer to when you say Augustinus or table talk. I don't understand it.
What was expected in Iran 2009? I don't think the interim Mahdi representation stick has washed off. The shia won't expect another man with Mohammet's privileges anytime soon.
 
Ray: This is where you Rohrschach test Christians miss the message and the spirit. It is blatantly obvious which ideas you project back. The bible did not write about Donald Trump. Ask another Rohrschach test Christian about the revelation and he will say it is about Hillary. It is not. You agree or disagree with ideas, you don't just blatantly lie about them so as to make them fit your wishes.
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:46am
Minehan: I meant to write the Mahdi representation shtick is no longer working.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:22pm
Now Benjamin you are being deliberately disingenuous.
Of course the Bible doesn't mention Trump or Putin, both of whom I was not aware of in 1976 when this Vision was published, "target="_blank">He came to town for the Republican National Convention and will stay until the election in November TO DO GOD'S BIDDING: To tell the world, from Kansas City, this country has been found wanting and its days are numbered […] He gestured toward a gleaming church dome. “The gold dome is the symbol of Babylon,” he said.” […] He wanted to bring to the Public’s attention an “idea being put out subtly and deceptively” by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia.”
 
The KANSAS CITY TIMES did a follow up report on ALL SOULS DAY, November 2, 1976. When the TV movie 'THE DAY AFTER' Kansas City was incinerated in a Nuclear Holocaust appeared in 1983, most likely, I was the only Human on Earth, including the newspaper reporters, to note target="_blank">at the END, the movie pauses at the very same picture frame THE KANSAS CITY TIMES chose for the target="_blank">ALL SOULS DAY record 7 years earlier.
Any way you look at it, that HISTORICAL FACT is a confirming SIGN for our Generations, the World has arrived at this point of Decision, of an “idea being put out subtly and deceptively” by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia.”                                                                                                 Multitudes! Multitudes in the Valley of Decision. The Day of the LORD IS NEAR in the Valley of Decision.
 
Obviously, you do not or will not recognize, "this country has been found wanting and its days are numbered" as the 1st two parts, of the 3 part 'Writing on the Wall" from Daniel 5 and the Captivity of Babylon recorded some 2600 years ago in the Jewish Tanach.
The whole world saw The Writing on the Wall for the 1st TIME at the same TIME, with the Global Financial Meltdown-Economic Pearl Harbour in September of 2008, even if the world does not recognize it as such.
 
The 3rd part of the Writing on the Wall tells of the decline of Babylon, the 1st Biblical model of the Nation that reaches Imperial Military-Economic Superpower Status, and the rise of Persia
Ancient Babylon is now Iraq, and ancient Persia is now Iran.
The US is the latest, greatest of all the Nations reaching Imperial Military-Economic Superpower Status in the 2600 year old Biblical Babylonian superstructure.
The TAIL struck the HEAD, causing the unravelling of the Earthly Babylonian superstructure/infrastructure in violation of International Law, undermining the Global Order in place since the end of WWII, ushering in the Law of the Jungle to the Middle East and this World.
 
The Iranian Revolution happened in 1979, 2-1/2 years after the record in the 1976 KANSAS CITY TIMES Timeline.
All the chaos in the Middle East since then, including the carnage in Syria, is the consequence of the vain attempt to reverse that God ordained, repeat of History, as a SIGN for our Generations the Time may soon be up.
 
The Trump government has announced to the world, the next target for regime change by the US is Iran. Trump is following the same US WAR PLAN brought out weeks after 9/11, to change regimes in Iraq, Libya, Syria and finally Iran.
target="_blank">Former NATO Supreme Commander, US General Wesley Clark blew the whistle on those 2001 US War Plans in 2007, years before the 2011 Arab Spring, the regime change in Libya, and the attempted regime change in Syria.
Republican Bush did Iraq, Democrat Obama did Libya, but failed in Syria, and now Trump is leading to the END game of those 2001 US War Plans.
At a minimum, this is circumstantial evidence there really is a DEEP STATE pulling the strings behind the Republican-Democratic-Trumpian facade?
But the real Deep State is described in Revelation 16 cited above.
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:00pm
Ray
 
All you say seems true. I have seen the Wesley Clark video, I know Noam Chomsky's works and I know Kissinger and the sorts. But this has nothing to do with religion. It's a giant ego trip by a group of people who never see the real world.
 
There are no self-fulfilling prophecies by anyone. It's more probable that some people wilfully make them happen. When a guy has all the money in the world, what's left ? An entry into history books.
 
That's their motivation. Although....in 10'000 years even that history will be forgotten ;-)
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:16pm
Cormier: I can't even read your comment. I'm not disingenious. Whatever current stuff you project on the bible is bullocks. The bible contains some time-tested wisdom encapsulated in legends, historical writings and sayings. The ancient scribes did not talk about YOU. G-d did not lead their hands to pinpoint the message on YOUR times.
 
The problem why so many find the bible boring is because some people quote without explaining what they actually want to say. I don't breed over your comment for ages to figure out what the hell you even want to get across. A beast is a beast. A dragon is a dragon. Rome is Rome. Prophecies about the future that fail have failed. Deal with it!
 
ISIS had the same problem. The Amageddon was said to be a battle against Rome, meaning the Roman Empire. To pretend that the Koran has no flaws they started to call everything 'Rome'. Washingon is Rome. Moscow is Rome. Israel is Rome. No, stupid, Rome is Rome.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:21pm
I think even when my PC has a virus I will find a word in the bible that says "sickness and death will come upon you". Interpretation is endless.
Stephen Hunter Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:29pm
Very thorough depiction Benjamin. It is complicated and no simple solution, that is for sure. 
Starts with understanding why people think the way they do, and you have done a good job of helping me with this. 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:43pm
Stone eater, people forget what happened just decades ago, and are ignorant of ancient History for the most part. History was my favourite Subject in High School. I paid attention.
 
What is religion when the Book tells us, all of us, you and I, Russians, Americans, Chinese, all Peoples, all Nations and all tongues, were Created in the Image and Likeness of God, for the Good or Evil?
 
Then religion is no more than habits or traditional ways of looking at things in the unfolding Revelation.
 
[18] And the nations were angry, and your wrath is come...... Revelation 11
 
How should I think and question these few words saying so much to me?
We can see in this real material world the Nations are angry and getting angrier, or the people within those Nations. It's the people acting out the wrath of God.
In the Old Testament it says God creates Good and Evil, makes War and Peace.
 
What I know and experienced in my Faith since I came alive to God in me 42 years ago, in the New Testament, the God and Father of Jesus is ALL Good, a Peace Maker, a Healer, a Forgiver of Sins or shortcomings, and a Guiding Light in Pleading the cause of the Poor.
The World is still operating by the Old Testament ways, of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, taking great pleasure in the destruction of the wicked.
[11] Say to them, As I live, says the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel? -Ezekiel 33
 
Only the individuals who accept the Christ of the New Testament and live the Love in word and deed, with no hypocrisy, will see the evidences of God in them and the World.
If the others can't be bothered to look for God, they won't find God. We all have Free Choice in our Thoughts.
 
I can't speak for others in what they seek in their Faith, but my goal in Christ is to realize this,
[21] To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:53pm
Ray
 
Sorry, I can't follow that. It makes no sense to me. I try to be a "good" man, but I don't need any god or educational book for that. I can see myself what is needed where and what not.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 30, 2017 - 2:13pm
And the vision of everything has been to you like the words of a sealed book, which they give to one who can read, saying, "Now read this," and he shall say, "I cannot, for it is sealed." -Isaiah 29:11

 
Then I'll have to keep on looking for the way and language to be clearer. I think my English is explicit and plain, so that anyone who can read should understand the essence or gist of it.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 30, 2017 - 2:15pm
Hunter: Thank you very much. That's very kind.
 
Cormier: Yes, it wasn't about Rome. It also happens that much of the stuff in the Book of Revelations was never seen before. You see 'writings on the wall' where there are none. I have not understood your comment with the samish picture/movie frame of Kansas City, but I'm sure the incident wasn't mentioned in the Book of Revelations. We have no dragons and beasts with escaping frog-like spirits that rush to the King of Thailand and the King of Saudi Arabia. Kings are Kings, now and then.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 30, 2017 - 3:45pm
Goldstein: you are so 1 dimensional with a narrow, not expansive mind.
You say, You see 'writings on the wall' where there are none. "
Obviously, you do not or will not recognize, "this country has been found wanting and its days are numbered" as the 1st two parts, of the 3 part 'Writing on the Wall" from Daniel 5 and the Captivity of Babylon recorded some 2600 years ago in the Jewish Tanach.
 
If you don't understand my English, maybe you understand Hebrew?
בֵּלְשַׁאצַּ֣ר מַלְכָּ֗א עֲבַד֙ לְחֶ֣ם רַ֔ב לְרַבְרְבָנ֖וֹהִי אֲלַ֑ף וְלָֽקֳבֵ֥ל אַלְפָּ֖א חַמְרָ֥א שָׁתֵֽה: (the rich and connected)

 
 
אִשְׁתִּ֖יו חַמְרָ֑א וְ֠שַׁבַּחוּ לֵֽאלָהֵ֞י דַּֽהֲבָ֧א וְכַסְפָּ֛א נְחָשָׁ֥א פַרְזְלָ֖א אָעָ֥א וְאַבְנָֽא: (It's the Economy, Stupid!)

 
בַּהּ־שַֽׁעֲתָ֗ה נְפָ֙קָה֙ (כתיב נְפָ֙קָו֙) אֶצְבְּעָן֙ דִּ֣י יַד־אֱנָ֔שׁ וְכָֽתְבָן֙ לָֽקֳבֵ֣ל נֶבְרַשְׁתָּ֔א עַל־גִּירָ֕א דִּֽי־כְתַ֥ל הֵֽיכְלָ֖א דִּ֣י מַלְכָּ֑א וּמַלְכָּ֣א חָזֵ֔ה פַּ֥ס יְדָ֖א דִּ֥י כָֽתְבָֽא: (The Writing on the Wall)

 
דְּנָ֖ה פְּשַֽׁר־מִלְּתָ֑א מְנֵ֕א מְנָֽה־אֱלָהָ֥א מַלְכוּתָ֖ךְ וְהַשְׁלְמָֽהּ: (God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it.)

 
תְּקֵ֑ל תְּקִ֥לְתָּא בְמֹֽאזַנְיָ֖א וְהִשְׁתְּכַ֥חַתְּ חַסִּֽיר: (You were weighed on the scales and found wanting.)

 
Don't say I see "writing on the wall" that isn't there. That story was recorded some 2600 years ago. It was on September 13, `1976 The Kansas City Times published this script, “He came to town for the Republican National Convention and will stay until the election in November TO DO GOD’S BIDDING: To tell the world, from Kansas City, this country has been found wanting and its days are numbered.
That's the 'Writing on the Wall' from the original record. If you refuse to see it, there's nothing I can do about that.
 
פְּרֵ֑ס פְּרִיסַת֙ מַלְכוּתָ֔ךְ וִֽיהִיבַ֖ת לְמָדַ֥י וּפָרָֽס: Your kingdom has been broken up and given to Media and Persia.

 
That was a prophecy concerning Ancient Babylon 2600 years ago.
Ancient Babylon is now Iraq, and Ancient Persia is now Iran.
Do you not see in this present World, Babylon/Iraq is broken up and in fact, under the influence of Persia/Iran after the brutal 8 year war Saddam started with Iran in 1980, when he was a useful tool for US/Israeli interests, to nip the '79 Iranian Revolution in the bud?
 
If you can't see that in Today's Real Material World, then you can't see.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 30, 2017 - 4:28pm
Cormier: No, I don't have a drug mudged expanded mind like the John who wrote the Revelation of John. I really prefer a narrow one.
 
The Mene Tekel Parsin writing does not refer to the acocalypse AT ALL. The days of king Belshazzar were numbered and he was slain the same night when the actual writing (a writing on the wall is a writing on the wall) appeared.
 
No I have to read your excerpt from the holy Kansas City Times. Some dude cited the bible. Newsflash: The bible with the menetekel story is not a secret. In German it is a common word for a mysterious prediction.
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Menetekel
 
I really prefer not to 'see' nonsense. The menetekel story was not meant to be about today. This is actually superstition. You could also argue like this for astrology. The moon in the house of whatever does not cause war even though you will find some cases in history when such a position coincided with a new war.
 
To go back to Islam. I think this kind of superstition exists there too, but there are less prophecies to reach that level of delusion. You had Isis gathering in Dabiq/Syria where they thought the final battle would commence (in Judaism/Christianity it's expected in Har Megiddo/Israel) until they were chased off the ground again.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 30, 2017 - 7:14pm
Now you're really getting confused. The Writing on the Wall account comes from the Jewish Old Testament, not the New Testament Book of Revelation. And you're becoming disconnected from Reality citing "the holy Kansas City Times."
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 30, 2017 - 11:41pm
Ray: I would love to see a straw poll how many people think whether I or you are confused here.
 
Islam, anybody?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 31, 2017 - 4:58am
Ray
 
 I think my English is explicit and plain, so that anyone who can read should understand the essence or gist of it.
 
It is ok for a non-Anglophone like me, but your Bible citations aren't. But that's ok.....
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 31, 2017 - 7:43am
I swear to g-d that my above prediction that Iran rather sees a revolt than a shia Caliphate was based on personal experience with everyday Iranians.
 
Now, whispers can be heard that our mainstream media was hiding for some time a new fresh protest wave. According to this blog post they are massive and the revolutionary guard shows signs of disloyalty (though some shot protesters apparently).
 
If the story is true, Iranians might get ready to rumble. And the lack of media interest indicates that this is uncalled for by the Western military. Apparently, those media sources who look at it are so Marxist that they still can't figure out what materialist, economic issue is behind it (just listening to the stated motives is an intellectual challenge unsurmountable for the left; all issues must be economics).
Leroy Added Dec 31, 2017 - 8:42am
The left's worst nightmare is a democratic regime chance.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 31, 2017 - 10:37am
Leroy, I think it isn't their nightmare. They literally can't think about the going-ons because their ideology is far too close-minded.
 
Despite the Russia-collusion hoax reporting, most liberals are by and large still in the cold-war anti-imperialism mode. Iran is a Moscow satalite and the current regime replaced one that was less anti-American.
 
So the old alliance is with the dictatorship. The intellectual leaders may soon pick up the support for the uprising, if a success is likely, because revolution. The leadership of the left is not anti-imperialist, they are just pro-socialist. That's why they had the alliance with Russia in the first place (they are also not pacifist).
 
Now the followers have not changed alliances yet and they have to reorganize their minds while betting on the winning horse whoever that is.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 31, 2017 - 1:43pm
I think this is an Israeli-US joint venture inciting for another colour revolution, as the US has done with all the former Soviet Republics.
 
In 2007, former Supreme NATO Commander, US General Wesley Clark blew the whistle on US War Plans that came out only weeks after 9/11 to change regimes in Iraq, Libya, Syria and at the END, Iran.
 
Republican Bush did Iraq. Democrat Obama did Libya, attempted but failed in Syria, and now Trump going after Iran.
 
This is just the latest development in that ongoing 2001 US War plan until the END.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 31, 2017 - 1:51pm
US MSM never report there are trials going on in Kiev that produced evidence the right sector in the Maidan protests were shooting both Protesters and Police.
 
Looking at many video available in YouTube, if American protesters were ever that violent, the Police would unleash the war equipment they now have to Police US Cities on them, with no regard to collateral damage.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 31, 2017 - 1:51pm
Ray
 
Completely agree ! Happy New Year....despite all that shit.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Dec 31, 2017 - 2:38pm
John Minehan Added Dec 31, 2017 - 3:15pm
Iran is interesting.
 
Unlike 2009, reporting indicates that this is centered in the poor and working class (who tend to support the Islamic Republic generally and particularly supported the populist Ahmadinejad then) , unlike the protests in 2009.  This could be a significant problem.
 
On the other hand, these problems appear to be economic, rather than a political matter as in 2009.
 
My guess is if the Islamic Republic cracks down (HARD!!) on the protests . . .  but implements palpable economic reforms . . .  if will survive this quite well.
 
If the Islamic Republic follows what the PRC did about Tiananmen Square they should have no real issue.  On the other hand, if they do what the Shah did in 1978, they have a BIG problem.  
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 31, 2017 - 3:26pm
And here come the anti-imperialists with their utterly predictable conspiracy theories.
 
As I said the leftist followers are still in the old alliances. They cannot intellectually comprehent that people rise up in their Moscow satelite paradises and have ideal instead of financial problems. The intellectuals tools are simply lacking. They were weight on the scales and found wanting. The days of the anti-imperialists are counted.
 
There are CIA driven protests. The regime changes resulted all in failed states because of the incoherent popular support. However, all Iranians that I come across seem to share a strong dislike against the regime. They are like Cuban Americans, actually much more averse to the regime of their country of origine. This is not just a CIA farce.
 
Yet, I don't say that they will be neccessarily successful. The regime may have enough organisational control over the military and police forces to quell the upheaval. I'm still optimistic for the long run. Muslims are warriors.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 31, 2017 - 3:30pm
Minehan: No, the poor are now simply more visible. We are constantly lectured by the leftist media how educated and above the cities are where the protests take place. Iran is doused with discontent and it is political, not economic. The media just cannot understand that there are other issues than what Karl Marx gave them as intellectual tools. As stupid as it sounds. They don't have read Marx, but they were indoctrinated through the ideology of their peer group. They don't understand the situation at all.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Dec 31, 2017 - 3:32pm
BTW It is also a farce that they always call the candidate who offers more government handouts 'moderate' while demonising the politicians who are not so much into a big state. The latter is always dangerous although the human rights record is completely the same.
mark henry smith Added Jan 2, 2018 - 1:00pm
Benjamin, you sure know how to poke a hornets' nest.
 
Back to the point of this post. Muslims are warriors. Jews are warriors. Christians aren't supposed to be warriors, our hero let himself be killed rather than let himself be defended, but we're warriors anyway despite the obvious hypocrisy. Religion and politics are the fields assigned to hypocrites, since being good at it in the social sphere requires it.
 
Jimmy Carter was the most Christian president we ever had. All you Christians raise your hand if you liked Carter. Reagan was about as Christian as a Dalmatian, but fundamentalists loved him for him untelligence. And Trump? The most Christian thing he ever said was saying that he knew Roy Moore would lose all along and that's why he didn't support him.
 
Listen, my friends, the lesson in The Middle East and around the world is don't defy the American oil companies, because they have deep pockets and long memories. Nationalize our industry, will ya' Mouseda? well let's see how you like our CIA. The alliance between big oil and our military ventures is like milk and cookies. We don't punish dictators, we punish dictators who won't go along with the program.
 
So Iranian intellectuals hate the fundamentalist state, because let's face it, fundamentalists take the fun out of everything they get their control of. Sex, it must be done this way and only this way, along with everything else we say. But most people are like dogs, they want to be told what to do within reason, as long as they get their treats, a pat on the back now and then, and a little rough housing. Iran is having problems in the treats department right now. Whether the people decide someone can do better is to be seen. But I doubt it. No one knows how to play rough more aggressively than a true believer and that's why the rest back down.
 
That's true for Israel. Saudi Arabia. On and on. But not for women.          
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 2, 2018 - 2:24pm
m h smith:
Benjamin, you sure know how to poke a hornets' nest.
It's a gift.
 
the lesson in The Middle East and around the world is don't defy the American oil companies
The broken record again. No the oil price is very low. Nobody cares anymore. BTW no oil in Afghanistan.
 
The media is still very pro-regime at the moment so as not to disgruntle the time-frozen anti-imperialists. The success of the protesters will decide whether CNN will announce that the uprising was the best thing since sliced bread or if they declare whether Westerner shutting the fuck up was the right thing to do all along.
 
It is not some "intellectuals" who rebel. People do and many.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 2, 2018 - 3:23pm
The Taliban eliminated opium production as being anti-Islamic. Once the CIA and Americans got back in there, opium production is way up there again.
 
CNN incites in the most subtle ways, war with Russia
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 2, 2018 - 4:01pm
Cormier: Yes, I am also unhappy about how this Afghanistan war was conducted. Killing of some of the Taliban as a punishment for 9/11 (or the lack of cooperation in the prosecutions of the terrorist backers) would have done the job.
 
The Taliban really got it right to ban the drugs. The Koran forbids alcohol or drinking drugs. Of course that had a reason. Mohammet was in a hundred wars. The inhibition to kill fellow human beings goes after the first, maybe second act.
 
He did not want his people to get high by any means. Nowadays, the word 'drink' is used to reinterpret the Koran so as to smoke and chew drugs instead. That's not what the Koran had in mind and it is very bad for the culture.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 2, 2018 - 4:13pm
Goldstein: Interesting to see you using the Bible verse you reject in my comments upstream. "They were weight on the scales and found wanting."
 
Personally I believe "There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man."
Mark 7:15; Matthew 15:11
mark henry smith Added Jan 3, 2018 - 11:22am
Now let's be clear, Afghanistan was merely the beginning of a neocon movement to restructure The Middle East. You first had to go after the people responsible and their keepers before launching attacks on the real target, who had nothing to do with the terrorist plots.
 
Once a war is begun, people turn blind. Has anyone thought about how the riots might have stimulated the Gulf of Tonkin farse to begin a war (sorry, police action) to get the country to focus on something that the status quo found less threatening? There is nothing more galvanizing than a war and more destructive to the collective goal of liberal democracy around the world. And that is the goal of all good people, a more inclusive, more equitable, more sustainable world order, and it has to be the world. No one can solve the problems we face without world participation.
 
Warriors fight against pollution (heard a report about the Ganges and the massive amount of plastic pollution), against global warming, the CO2 emissions keep rising, the slavery that keeps people in economic dependency around the world. We fight with out hands, our mouths, our feet, our teeth, with the very fiber of our souls.    
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 3, 2018 - 11:47am
For those looking beyond self into the larger world, this is how I see the unfolding public demonstrations happening in Iran, as posted in The New York Times;
Report: US, Israel sign secret pact to tackle Iran nuclear and missile threat
Israel and the United States have secretly signed a far-reaching joint memorandum of understanding providing for full cooperation to deal with Iran’s nuclear drive, its missile programs and its other threatening activities, an Israeli TV report said.

 
The document was signed on December 12 at the White House, culminating intensive talks between representatives of the major Israeli and American intelligence and defense hierarchies, headed by the US and Israeli national security advisers, H. R. McMaster and Meir Ben-Shabbat, respectively, the Channel 10 report said Thursday.
 
In government, the plans to disrupt other Nations would have already been made and filed for the Day of Implementation.
 
This reads like a typical CIA driven event, not unlike colour Revolutions the US orchestrates in other parts of the world.
 
In 2007, former Supreme NATO Commander, US General Wesley Clark, blew the whistle on the CIA/Pentagon Plans brought out just weeks after 9/11, to change regimes in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and at the END, Iran.
 
Republican Bush did Iraq, Democrat Obama did Libya, but failed in Syria. Trump is now doing Iran.
 
This is enough to make one think there really is a Deep State pulling the strings behind the Republican-Democratic-Trumpian facade."
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 3, 2018 - 1:37pm
m h smith: Afghanistan cannot be explained with oil. There are other equally detestable profiters of the military industrial complex that want to do the 'nation building'. I think the name 'neocon' has worn out. Let's just call it the Bush entourage.
No one can solve the problems we face without world participation.
Behind this glib propaganda are people who simply seek world domination.
 
Comier: Try to talk to Iranians yourself! Take a taxi and talk to the driver. It is not some conspiracy.
Tamara Wilhite Added Jan 4, 2018 - 10:18pm
 

Dave Volek The fact that Sunni and Shia have been killing each other on a massive scale since Mohamed died and BOTH of those sects regularly murder Sufi and Almaddi Muslims is proof Islam is inherently violent. 
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 5, 2018 - 9:57am
Tamara: Thank you for making that point. I have left out shariah in the article above so that it does not grow too long.
 
The reason for some of the shia sunna hostility is the law that a Muslim may never leave his faith. This is punishable by death. Since both sects claim that the other was once Muslim, but fell from the true umma of Islam this has led to unleashed violence in the past.
 
It is also the reason for the persecution of the Ahmadiyyah who claim to have a new prophet after Muhammet. The Sufi stray also a bit from mainstream Islam. I have never heard of Almaddi Muslims. Muslims have an easier time with complete strangers, even atheists, than with apostates. That's a problem.
 
For the shia sunni conflicts today one should know that most of them are geopolitical. The 'Cold War' was never really over with regards to alliances. Broadly speaking sunni are Washington affiliates and shia are Moscow affiliates. You see this play out in Syria and Yemen at the moment.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 5, 2018 - 10:55am
Benjamin, you keep on drawing me into this discussion as it expands.
 
Reading this, "The reason for some of the shia sunna hostility is the law that a Muslim may never leave his faith."
 
Reading those words of yours registered a similar generic reality among different cultures.
I find is curious how Jews, especially vis a vis the Palestinian conflict, call other Jews, "self-hating Jews" as if they left the Tribe. I'm not saying it's the same, but similar.
 
It's amazing how the same thing can be said in other words and yet remain unrecognizable to the other in discussion or argument.
 
Reading this from you, "For the shia sunni conflicts today one should know that most of them are geopolitical. The 'Cold War' was never really over with regards to alliances. Broadly speaking sunni are Washington affiliates and shia are Moscow affiliates. You see this play out in Syria and Yemen at the moment."
 
Here it is 41 years later, and you bring out the details of events happening "Today" confirming the Spirit of this vision from September 1, 1976.
He came to town for The Republican National Convention and will stay until the Election in November to do God's bidding: To tell the world from Kansas City, this Country has been found wanting and it's Days are numbered [...] He gestures toward a gleaming church dome. "The gold dome is the symbol of Babylon," he said. [...] He wanted to bring to the Public's attention an "idea being put out "subtly and deceptively" by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia."
 
It was the Soviets in 1976. Russia-gate anyone? Real or not?
 
The Writing on the Wall from Babylon
1. God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it.
2.You were weighed on the scales and found wanting
3. Your kingdom has been broken up and given to Media and Persia/Iran
 
Daniel didn't know then, what "Media" means Today.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 5, 2018 - 11:17am
Yes, Jews who crap on Israel instead of checking what accusation is true and what is a lie are traitors. The concept of treason is not foreign to any single group. I'm sure you have already penned articles to explain how Trump is not a 'real Christian' in your opinion.
 
Daniel did not write about Kansas or the US. I don't know if it carries any message at all. It is a typical horror story: somebody is warned of his death shortly before it happens.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 5, 2018 - 11:20am
Comier: Having said that I find that Jesus' time shared a lot with our times. If anything useful can be learnt by superficial bible readers, it is in the gospels. But only if they learn to read the texts as they were meant.
mark henry smith Added Jan 5, 2018 - 1:04pm
Just because I argue for world cooperation, does not mean I'm arguing for a homogenous world government. But how do we fight pollution that knows no borders from within borders? How do we fight slavery that knows no borders from within borders? How do we fight wildlife habitat distruction that knows no borders from within borders?
 
The hypocrisy of your argument is obvious, Benjamin. You accept the right of Israel and the United States to go outside of their borders and assassinate enemies they have deemed worthy of elimination without the permission of the nation where the action will take place, without any legal proceeding, without any international guidance, and yet you do not want to permit such behavior in other areas that are equally threatening.
 
Shame on you.  
mark henry smith Added Jan 5, 2018 - 1:13pm
And how are we to believe the verdicts of government in one area and not another? What does free speech mean? What does science mean?
 
We are living in an age much like the one Jesus lived in. It is a time of amazing abundance and struggle against a world order. But the enemy is not a government. It is consumerism and blind adherence to a system of transport and power that has taken control of reasonable limits on it's hegemony. China is becoming the world leader, ascending to a position is believes is its historic destiny. They have a leader who behaves like an adult, not a child tweeting pet peeves as policy.
 
To have things change the system that sustains the status quo has to be annihilated, and that is where we're headed, in my humble estimation. Saudi Arabia created 9/11. Saudi Arabia created Osama Bin Laden. Saudi Arabia created ISIS. Saudi Arabia is Israel's partner in the destabilization and  reconstruction of The Middle East. More power to them. 
mark henry smith Added Jan 5, 2018 - 1:19pm
But let's not turn a blind eye to the harm they are willing to do to US interests around the world in pursuit of those goals. Liberal democracy, like Christianity (and the two go hand-in-hand) are in serious decline because they require a belief in basic human decency and a belief in the ability of the spirit to be reformed by love and kindness. Is this a Jewish principle? Is this a Muslim principle? Is this a communist principle? 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 5, 2018 - 2:01pm
m h smith: You will only identify the enemy and the pressing problems correctly if you lose your belief in basic human decency. People lie to you. Gullibility is not the basis of democracy, or Judaism, or Christianity, or Islam. It is the basis of socialism and tyranny.
 
No, I would not mind a Pakistani sniper taking out a terrorist in Berlin without legal whatever. I don't see your point. In fact, Germany is quite thankful that troops stormed our country to remove the Nazi government against its permission or an international committee hawking over it.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 5, 2018 - 3:53pm
"Daniel did not write about Kansas or the US." That is Detraction and Deflection attempting to evade Reality!
 
Actually Daniel did write about the US but he didn't know it. Daniel is dead. God lives, the same God who inspired Daniel 2600 years ago. This world does need more People like Daniel, a "dissolver of doubts."
 
I picked up on what Daniel wrote and wrote 'THE KING'S TERRIFYING NIGHTMARE' totally consistent with this sentence in the 1976 Kansas City Times Public Record, "He gestured toward a gleaming church dome. "The gold dome is the symbol of Babylon," he said. It identifies the US as the Last Days Babylon in the king's terrifying nightmare. Americans and the World are only now waking up to see.
 
While Daniel had no clue about the US or Kansas, or what MEDIA would mean in current Times, neither did I know in 1976 when I gestured toward the Golden Church Dome, Gold loving Trump with his golden mop, would be the head/dome of the US in current Time.
 
You are attempting to restrict God to the Jewish Old Testament, limiting what God can do while it's called Today.
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
Matthew 22:29-32; Mark 12:24-27
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 5, 2018 - 4:22pm
Comier: You know that the bible demands the death penalty for fortune tellers. Be careful! The first will be the last.
 
It's interesting how you think the g-d of the old testament is different from the god of the new testament. How many gods do you have? Your entire superstitious insistance that g-d detailed the fate of mankind in a deterministic fashion is very pagan-like. The 'g-d of the living' phrase just says that Jesus believed in an afterlife, like all pharisees.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 5, 2018 - 5:34pm
I'm glad that I'm not a Christian. It makes no sense to me. The last time I checked Jesus did not change a letter of the law. Now, fortune telling is in and, if we give Christianity another twenty years, Jesus himself will become an apple tree.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 5, 2018 - 5:48pm
The Mosaic Law demanded the death penalty for Adultery too, and I would think there are more Adulterers than fortune tellers.
 
Jesus obviously thought just because it's written in the Bible, doesn't mean you have to act on it, or he would have agreed with the Scribes and Pharisees, tempting him about the woman caught in the act, she should be put to death.
 
"It's interesting how you think the g-d of the old testament is different from the god of the new testament."
g_d of the OT, god of the NT.
Seems by the letter, you think they're different. No wonder you don't grasp the Spirit of the letters appearing on this screen.
 
Genesis says in the 1st line, " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." God of the Old Testament created the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, telling Adam 'it's all Good. Don't mess with the tree with the knowledge of evil on it. You don't want to have to deal with it.'
In the 6000 years since then, it's been watered down to the 'Apple Tree' so that people don't know the left hand from the right.
 
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. -Isaiah 45:7
 
The God and Father of Christ Jesus in the New Testament, is all Good, a Peacemaker, Healer, and Lover of Truth and Justice, especially for the poor. (Sermon on the Mount -Matthew 5). The people in this super materialistic world don't want to know.
 
"These things say the Amen, the Faithful and True witness, the beginning of the creation of God;"  -Revelation 3:14

 
A beginning in Genesis of the Old Testament and A beginning of the creation of God in the New Testament.
 
For Humans on Earth, God is not the God of the spiritually dead, but of the living.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 5, 2018 - 6:14pm
For those who lost track. Cormier deleted his last comment. My last comment is a resonse to the following comment with the tree in it which is a changed republished version of the deleted comment.
 
Cormier: I'm sorry, but you quote wrongly all the time. The Sermon of the Mount tells what kind of people are blessed by Jesus. It does not say that g-d is only good. I also find it irritating that you think the bible talks about two different gods. You shall have no god but god, commands the bible. I also find this fortune telling on basis of the bible strange.
 
BTW my styling of the word g-d with the hyphen just follows a Jewish-English tradition. It does not even exist in my native language and I'm not consistent. It does not matter.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 5, 2018 - 7:55pm
It was deleted to correct minor typos and re-posted as you can see..
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 5, 2018 - 9:45pm
Cormier:
For Humans on Earth, God is not the God of the spiritually dead, but of the living.
I just realise that your religion is not Christian. It is not even Abrahamic. This has nothing to do with Islam. This is false prophecy.
 
For all who don't understand the reference, I quote gospel of Matthew:
31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, 32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
 
Jesus spoke about life after death, the resurrection, quoting how G-d introduces himself to Moshe with the names of the souls who were still alive. Comier contradicts and says Abraham is dead and with him the Jewish faith.

 
Indeed, Cormier, Jesus G-d is not your G-d, for G-d is the G-d of the living, the G-d of the eternal souls, the G-d of the ressurection of the dead. But you shall have no G-d beside G-d. Maybe you join Jesus' G-d?
 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 5, 2018 - 9:59pm
Jesus said unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when you shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 6, 2018 - 4:52am
Now, this is bordering on anti-Christianity. Jesus never discouraged people from praying and sprit does not mean to throw the bible under the bus and use excerpts for fortune telling.
The first will be the last.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 6, 2018 - 5:29am
I must admit that I find Cormier's take quite scary and I'm quite down to earth, but it's also hilarious.
 
G-d does no longer resurrect all the dead, but only some dead, and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not among them. The Lord promised them to become a great people, but singles them out to leave them dead. Somehow he draws a pseudo-bible story with a woman out of his magician hat to say that she and others shall stop praying at some time, probably because she, like Abraham, will be dead dead. And with the dead dead the bible is also dead. You can't make that up!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 6, 2018 - 5:31am
The advantage of Cormier's faith is that it makes the bible much shorter. The downside is that you leave the religion.
David Montaigne Added Jan 6, 2018 - 6:43am
While I don't agree with everything in the article, I still found many of the concepts in it insightful.  But it doesn't change my expectation that Islam will eventually try to conquer the feminized, entitled, and apathetic populations of the West.  When economic collapse eventually occurs, some populations will be willing to die and some will be ready to submit.  As you can tell from my book titles, I think prophecy has warned us about this upcoming clash.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 6, 2018 - 8:16am
Goldstein: You're becoming unhinged. You make 3 consecutive comments to discredit me for quoting verbatim, Jesus' words in the Bible with no personal comment, calling that anti-Christianity.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 6, 2018 - 8:58am
What is anti-Christianity is the Israeli government financially supporting the various 3rd Temple movements wanting to reinstate animal blood sacrifice as the atonement for sin.
That is giving Christianity the finger!
 
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 6, 2018 - 9:23am
Montaigne: Yes, I also see little chance to avert an escalation. I assume we will submit. Christians and Jews will live as a minority in a Muslim world. The scary thing are the specifics. Can Islam treat apostates and people who challenge the religion intellectually treat with respect in future? Can we still live in a free and democratic society when the atheists have sold us out?
 
Cormier: I correct myself. You did not say what you quote and I did not find it instantly. It's John 4:21. I still don't know what this quote has to do with the rest here. I refer to your Rohrschach Fortune Teller Chrisitianity as anti-Christian because it goes against what Jesus taught: The souls rise from the dead and the living souls of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are mentioned to support that claim. He did not declare these people dead and much less so Judaism.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 6, 2018 - 9:39am
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
 
Other than your extreme bias against me, Benjamin, I do not see how you can interpret my citing of the verse above verbatim as me denying Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not among them. All that is in your imagination.
This also springs from your anti-RayJC.
"The advantage of Cormier's faith is that it makes the bible much shorter"
That depends on your point of view?
 
In my Faith, I believe the Spirit of this letter, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." This is the last line in the Gospel of John.
 
From that perspective, the Bible is short, but the Spirit of God the Bible is all about, is Everlasting!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 6, 2018 - 10:03am
Comier:
...me denying Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not among them...
I have no idea what you mean, but I have given the context of your quote and explained it in detail above. You used it to say that the Torah does not count. That is crazy.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 6, 2018 - 10:45am
Remember US Senator John McCain's ditty he hummed and sung, "bomb. bomb .bomb Iran?
 
The US Pentagon came out with a War Plan weeks after 9/11 to change the Iranian Government in 2001. We are subjected to Western government propaganda, and to understand the Truth, it has to be looked at from different angles.
 
This is Alternative to the Corporate controlled News Media. Interesting video accompanying the audio, Well worth the 28 minutes to watch it if you want to know before Trump's "Calm before the Storm" of "Fire and Fury." Trump's words, not mine!
 
'We Need to Talk About the Iran Protests'
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 6, 2018 - 10:51am
Cormier: As I mentioned before shia Iran has been a Moscow satelite for some time (since 1979) and since then the elites want a regime change. That does not alter the fact that Iranians themselves are genuinely angry about their government. I have yet to see an Iranian who does support the regime. Are your experiences different?
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 6, 2018 - 11:30am
And as I mentioned before, you pointing that out is the revelation of detail in the General outlook in the 1976 view, target="_blank">He wanted to bring to the Public’s attention an “idea being put out subtly and deceptively” by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia.”
 
Have you seen a Palestinian who does support the Brutal 50 Year Israeli Military Dictatorship ruling over them? Do the ordinary Saudi Citizens support the regime still having Public be-headings, or are they too afraid to make Public Statements? Or the Public support for the Egyptian regime jailing all opponents to the regime?
 
Hypocritical, Political, Selective concern for "human rights' won't cut it anymore, now that the Spirit of this letter is become current, 'Saying, We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which is, and was, and is to come; because You have taken to Yourself Your great power, and has reigned.'
Revelation 11:`17
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 6, 2018 - 11:37am
I know a gazillian Palestinians who want to be part of Israel. Even the PLO puts out studies that show a thin majority for it. The question is not even clear because most want some autonomy and some kind of federalism. Your 'brutal' smear is stupid as fuck.
 
The Saudis are much more down with their regime than the Iranians. What's the point with Egypt? They are mixed. Question to you: Would you think it's the CIA if these Saudis and Egyptians take to the street? Is it the CIA when the Hamas shoots rockets into Israel? The CIA does something, not everything. The Iran thing is genuine.