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I don't like the USA. Precisely....

 

I don't understand how 320 million people can think that THE USA is the best place in the world to live - because I see - cops kill unarmed people in a car, fast food chains sell food that is hazardous to your health, natural forests are being opened for fracking or oil drilling, a mighty complex of military and economy called MIC wants to control ----- secure as they say ---- the world ?

 

Freedom ? Hah !

 

Maybe Americans (actually, America is NOT only the USA, so much for geography) really think that in the end they must bomb the world into democracy.

 

Hmmm.....democracy ?

 

Has never existed, really, as Communism or Socialism never existed, as god....

 

Ok, let's leave it at that ;-)

 

We can talk endlessly about the US. I mean, what IS the US ? A wide place where Europeans, Asians settled because they thought that the natives who were already there don't need that space. Genocide (shhh....no talk about the holocaust.....)

 

And then all these mixtures declared that place "god's own country".

 

That's a long time ago, and the US constitution was surely well-meant, but it doesn't work anymore.

 

Romantics don't play and the neocon assholes who are destroying the "American dream" (did it exist ? I doubt it...for the majority...PR) will not work for the good of the people. They work for themselves.

 

So my plea for 2018 is: Wake up, USA. Revive the spirit of 68. Find out who is working for you really. And you won't find that out using TV ;-)

 

BTW: Putin may be a power guy, but he's a realist. Think about it. Sometimes the devil is in YOUR house ;-)

Comments

opher goodwin Added Dec 28, 2017 - 10:39am
Stone - it does have it's good side too. The countryside is wonderful and varied. The people are (mainly) very friendly, welcoming and generous. It has energy, great music, style (mainly emanating from blacks) and is very efficient.
I've lived there and thoroughly enjoyed myself. I've hitched and driven from coast to coast and Canada to Mexico. Fabulous.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 10:48am
Oph
 
I've lived in Frisco, NYC, Modesto, San Diego and Miami, but I only felt homy in Frisco. I'm not queer, but this was the only place I thought, hey, this is cool, and people are open. Not in Santa Barbara or Portland, Oregon, nope, Frisco was my place :-)
 
1980......
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 10:49am
....and: When I talk of a country, I don't think about nature. Of course the US is very beautiful !
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 10:52am
BTW: There are 2 places in my life: Calgary, Alberta, and Aria, New Zealand. 2 years in both..and the result is that I'm able to write here LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 10:57am
BTW2: The nicest people I met in the US was not in a city, but in a village called Belt, Montana. First: Curious. Swiss ? What ?! Second: Shiit man ! Never had that here. Want a beer ?
 
And I don't remember the rest, only the wakeup by a flashlight of the cops because we slept in our car on a parking lot...
Dino Manalis Added Dec 28, 2017 - 12:07pm
Happy; Healthy; and Prosperous 2018!
Tracy Kolenchuk Added Dec 28, 2017 - 12:46pm
I don't think 320 million people in the USA believe the USA is the best country.... But if one of them says it's be best country, there are plenty of amplifiers.  And if one of them, or someone else, says it is not, there are plenty of deniers. 
 
In truth country is not even well defined, such that useful comparisons can be made country wide.  Many states in the USA are 10 times larger than some countries. Should we really compare the USA, with over 320 million to Sweden or Switzerland with less than 10 million each?  The USA is comparable in size (in the same order of magnitude) to Europe, not to any country in Europe.  
 
Best is also a very wide swath or measurement.  Clearly the USA is very, very low on many measures of best, and very high on others. If we want to determine which is 'best', we need to define best.  
 
People who claim the USA is the best suffer from multiple blindnesses.
 
Chris Crawford Added Dec 28, 2017 - 12:58pm
Evaluating a country as large as the USA is well-nigh impossible. I doubt that anybody really knows the country. We have a huge range of people spanning just about every possible combination of attributes. 
 
On the down side, there are lots of things for Americans to be ashamed of, the most glaring of which is its political system, which has been unravelling for twenty years and is now so bad that one wonders if it can possibly get any worse. The best assessment of the Republican Party I have seen is a political cartoon showing Satan stuffing its soul into a bag as the Republican Party asks, "So, I get to keep Congress and the White House for the next four years, right?" 
 
I can't say that the Democratic Party is a shining beacon of virtue, but it hasn't sold its soul to the devil. The best assessment of the Democratic Party is Will Roger's statement from 80 years ago: "I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." 
 
Yes, the government has been captured by the wealthy and they have been grabbing an increasingly large share of the GDP for 30 years now. They spend enough money on propaganda to keep the middle class thinking that this is the best possible course of action. Yes, there are some truly reprehensible people on the far right, and yes, Mr. Trump is far and away the most destructive President in American history. And yes, a great many American Christians would make Jesus Christ blush with shame. Look how many Alabamans supported a child molester for Senate.
 
On the plus side, though, if you can look past the vicious politics, Americans are by and large generous, friendly, and possessed of true goodwill. They are easily the best nationality in the world for creating wealth. They are artistically creative and technologically innovative. American culture is celebrated all over the world and is insidiously ubiquitous. Photos of ISIS fighters wearing T-shirts and baseball hats demonstrate the power of American culture. 
 
Yes, American culture can be crass; the Disney empire epitomizes the crass abuse of culture for money. But at the same time, Mickey Mouse remains the most widely recognized fictional character on the planet. Some German fighters during World War II had Mickey Mouse painted on them -- and Disney couldn't collect a pfennig of license fees from them!
 
America's Golden Age spanned the fifty years starting around 1940. It teamed up with the Soviet Union to defeat the Nazis, then set up a new world order based on the most enlightened geopolitical thinking in history. Its creation of the United Nations, the new global economic system, the encouragement of free trade, the brilliant strategy it used to defeat the USSR in the Cold War, and its championing of human rights were unprecedented and represented huge steps forward. Of course, Mr. Trump is doing everything he can to destroy the products of this Golden Age, but it remains something that Americans can be proud of.
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 28, 2017 - 1:49pm
I live where I live
I didn't plan it that way
But since it's my home
I might as well stay
If you think your home better
You are welcome to say
But over here or over there
Matters not to me
In either case of either place
I ask: Just let me be
 
George N Romey Added Dec 28, 2017 - 3:49pm
The US is the most diverse country on Earth. Even Americans can’t agree which part or parts is/are the best. Maui Hi and Montgomery AL are about unlike as possible other than a common language.
 
Its diversity makes it the greatest place on Earth. From big cities to tiny towns. Don’t confuse the land and the government.
 
Because of our diversity it’s a near impossible place to govern. Even talented politicians with honorable intentions, assuming we could actually find them would find ruling like herding cats.
opher goodwin Added Dec 28, 2017 - 6:41pm
Stone - I loved Frisco too. Great vibe. Very liberal. Free and easy.
opher goodwin Added Dec 28, 2017 - 6:42pm
Tracy - quite right. The difference between States is as big as the differences between European countries. There's all sorts. Some good. Some bad.
opher goodwin Added Dec 28, 2017 - 6:45pm
George that is the problem. The diversity is enormous. North and South, coast to coast, the interior, the cities, the country. What a conundrum.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 28, 2017 - 8:04pm
Chris
 
Good comment. I don't hate Americans as long as they stay where supposed to - in their own country (I mean their hailed glorious army). As tourists and friends welcome anytime. But get off the back of the rest of the world playing armed school teacher while nothing works at home LOL
 
Leroy Added Dec 28, 2017 - 9:13pm
Everybody likes to take pot shots at the US.  That should tell you something.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 4:18am
George
 
Don’t confuse the land and the government.
 
I don't, but.....the government is elected by the land, is it ? I haven't been in the US since 2000, a long time. But from what I read and hear, it has changed for the worse. Only you would know better who live there.
 
Same in Europe. Life has gotten worse here too, and the reason why very many in Europe have a negative view of the US is because we see our refugee crisis to be the fault of US wars in the ME and regime changes.
 
Now, we know that US politicians are as stupid and ego-driven as politicians are generally, no matter where, but if they had said "Hey, sorry, we fucked up in the ME and therefore we take responsability for it and accept a couple of millions of refugees - we have the space" US image around the world would be MUCH better.
 
To be honest helps sometimes.
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 29, 2017 - 4:41am
But as you say Stone, nothing works here. I mean such a dreadful place where cops kill innocents at random, where the people worship money and materialism and wed to their narrow parochial view of the world.... why subject these poor souls to such a nightmare?  They might just be better off to stay where they are?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 4:55am
TBH
 
Ask the TV stations which broadcast US/Mexican/Brazilian telenovelas to the illiterate poor of the world to make them believe that up north material paradise rules ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 4:56am
BTW:
 
such a dreadful place where cops kill innocents at random, where the people worship money and materialism and wed to their narrow parochial view of the world
 
Americans themselves tell me that and our media tells the same. If I'm wrong, correct me :-)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 5:01am
BTW2:
 
Instructed people in the world know that the US is no better than Europe, Asia or Africa when you have no educational background. You'll "make it" nowhere.
 
But media supports the image of the US "where you can make it" although only a small percentage really gets to something. Here people are starting to learn Chinese. Because they see chances there. Just another illusion .... ?
The Burghal Hidage Added Dec 29, 2017 - 7:07am
Stone - I dont try to pretend that these things dont happen at all. That would be foolish, but just the same it does not do to let stand a narrative that is presented which grossly distorts the reality.  If all one ever looks for is the bad chances are this is what will be found.  
 
Yes,illusions. There is no paradise. We create our own illusions, ergo we create our own paradise.
George N Romey Added Dec 29, 2017 - 8:04am
SEF the 2 party system only serves up bad choices. Americans feel this need to vote for one of them.
 
As you plainly see on WB too many Americans still think the right R or D will make the US “great again”.  I don’t see the US ever giving up on this pipe dream.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 8:51am
George
 
Agree. IF you had a real political system instead of a corporate dictatorship you'd have MORE political parties to choose from. That would be a progress.
George N Romey Added Dec 29, 2017 - 8:57am
SEF the real smart Americans were the ones that didn’t stand in line for hours to vote for Trump or Clinton-2 peas in a pod growing on different trees. On election night smart Americans watched movies on Hula.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 9:04am
George
 
I'm dead-sure that there's a LOT of Americans who gave a shit about The Bitch or The Orange Buffoon. But how can they get their voice across ? This ain't 67, when people took the streets.
 
Americans are the same stupid consumer sheep as we Europeans.
George N Romey Added Dec 29, 2017 - 10:22am
SEF the brainwashing begins early.  School age children are taught that Washington, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, JFK, etc. were all angels.  They never hear about their seedy sides.  They are taught the US is the supreme defender of fairness, goodness and Democracy. They are taught we elect our officials fairly and they go to Washington to perform the peoples' work.
 
The MSM often parrots the propaganda or at least to their liking.  It often takes getting totally hosed by the system (like me) or intellectual curiosity to want to discover the truth.  At least half of Americans if not more have no desire to really understand how the world and their government really works.  Some sit on their lazy ass and watch CNN/MSNBC or Fox News and think they are "informed." Cue in some of the crowd here on WB.
 
The guards at the concentration camps to calm down the Jews would tell them that they would all be taking a shower, even though the Nazis just put them through the most harrowing and inhumane transport.  Most believed what they were told despite evidence otherwise all around (including the smell of burning flesh) .
 
Chris Crawford Added Dec 29, 2017 - 10:44am
Mr. Romey, you have pushed one of my hot buttons with your comment that there is little difference between Ms. Clinton and Mr. Trump. I have written a lengthy but simple explanation of why this is wrong; I have posted it as a new article. 
Bill H. Added Dec 29, 2017 - 11:41am
SEF - I can see exactly how many in other countries can view the US in a negative fashion. I have many overseas friends, along with having many conversations on ham radio over the years.
Lately, we have seen some excellent examples here on WB of "Americans" who portray the apex of negativity and hate that is tearing this country apart from the gut.
I hope you understand that most Americans are good people and that we are hoping that the present situation we are in will go away and allow us to make the changes required to once again unite us with ourselves and the rest of the world as part of the world community and world good.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 6:08pm
Bill
 
I hope you understand that most Americans are good people and that we are hoping that the present situation we are in will go away and allow us to make the changes required
 
I hope so too, although I see no sign. I recall 1969 where lots of young Americans took the street against Vietnam. I was thrilled and happy to see political conscience. Today I see nada of this, while the US is starting wars and bombing around as if the planet was theirs. This makes me and a lot of us angry and sad.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 6:10pm
there is little difference between Ms. Clinton and Mr. Trump
 
True. IF there is, what is it ? Have the wars and the foreign meddling stopped ?
Chris Crawford Added Dec 29, 2017 - 6:12pm
I maintain that there are huge differences between the two. I just wrote up a simple explanation of that here:
http://writerbeat.com/articles/19919-Clinton-ne-Trump
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 6:13pm
BTW: Just a remark: Don't come around bringing Russia or China as an excuse. These two sure have ambitions too, seen their size and economic power, but they don't have n military bases around the world and haven't started wars thousands of miles away from their homeland in "self-defence". Sorry to be so blunt - but it's the truth.
Stephen Hunter Added Dec 29, 2017 - 7:04pm
Stone, I agree with everything you say, however believe that this mindset only exists in 30% of Americans. (out of their own lack of understanding of how the world works and thinks) The elitists stoke the fire of discontent of this 30%.  But they are just barely hanging on and had to get very strategic using the unbalanced electoral process, to get control back in the last election. This few will try and continue to manipulate the rules of the game as time marches forward. The Trump thing is just a distraction as the elite wrestles back some control. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 29, 2017 - 7:28pm
Stephen
 
I'm afraid you're right. I would really wish that Trump could clean the swamp, as he said, but I doubt very much. That swamp probably brought him to power ;-)
Stephen Hunter Added Dec 30, 2017 - 7:36am
me too Stone, i was hoping however just another clever use of imagery to rile up the 30%. 
George N Romey Added Dec 30, 2017 - 8:22am
Stephen is correct. This is nothing more the in crowd of elites fighting against the out crowd of elites. The 30% are simply dumb enough to pay for a ticket to watch in the game in real time.
Bill Kamps Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:33am
Stone, it always baffles me why you waste so much energy bashing the US.  Whether you are right or wrong, you cant change anything, and whether the US changes or not affects you very little.  Seems like a lot of negative energy being spent for no good purpose.  You move to the beach to get away from this crap, and then you immerse yourself in a steady rant against the US.  Surely you have better things to do.
 
Peace in the New Year to you!
Stephen Hunter Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:46am
Bill, i do not see this article as wasted energy. What is wrong with stating and debating what the problems one sees in a nation are, when that nation has so much effect on the world? 
We are all one on this planet.
Ram Bam Added Dec 30, 2017 - 9:55am
Since the US is so gawd-awful, why do you stay? Which nation does a better job in your lofty opinion?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 10:09am
Bill
 
whether the US changes or not affects you very little.
 
No. Every action the US does affects us Europeans. We have a refugee crisis due to US wars, and we feel being forced into a confrontation with Russia through NATO, which is in fact a US commanded organization.
 
And wherever I will be myself, I have a lot of family and friends in Europe who will stay there, even when I'm gone. And that's what worries me.
 
I don't care what China or India do on a geopolitical stage, because that doesn't make as high waves as any stupid Trump tweet about the Rocket Man, or other Kindergarten stuff he lets out.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 10:12am
BTW Bill
 
You're right, I bash the US. But I do that only in the hope that people wake up and start to think. And there's a lot of mindful people on WB, but - funny, most of them are women. Too many John Wayne's are still around LOL
George N Romey Added Dec 30, 2017 - 11:06am
SEF out of our more than 241 in existence its only been over the past ten years that its become acceptable to highly question our government.  I remember back in 2001 anyone that would have suggested 9/11 was some kind of inside job or our government had a hand in it, direct or indirect would be ostracized out of society.  Today increasingly Americans believe that at the minimum there is more to the story than the "official" version. 
 
Older adults tell me all the time that at some point in their lives they realized that their parents as well meaning as they could be were often full of crap.  But as a child, teenager, or young adult you assume your parents to be wise and all knowing.  Until you hit about age 40.  Takes time to realize the talking heads have empty heads.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:08pm
George
 
So there's hope :-)
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:19pm
Mr. Romey, you wouldn't by any chance happen to be one of the many Russian paid trolls in St. Petersburg, would you?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:21pm
Chris
 
What's your problem ? Tell me, I can help LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:23pm
BTW:
 
"Mr. Romey" is an appreciated writer here and, as I hear from my GRU sources, he's not a Russian troll. He was hired by the US to go to Russia and actively troll against the USA LOL
 
Jeez, man, really. Wake up.
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:24pm
The hypothesis that some of the people here are paid Russian trolls is entirely plausible, albeit completely unprovable. Their general denigration of the American system is certainly consistent with the strategies used by the Russian trolls. Perhaps some of the more cynical commenters here can demonstrate their good faith with some constructive proposals. They need not offer praise of this country -- that's a waste of time.
George N Romey Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:27pm
SEF I wish I was. Russian agents live pretty damn good. Another person living their life glued to watching CNN.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:29pm
albeit completely unprovable.
 
Ok, so forget it then. Tell you what: You're quite new here but distribute a lot of bla bla and accusations. You got your POV, others have theirs. No reason to start babbling about trolling only because you get short of arguments. Your view is ok to you - let others have their view.
 
If not I might get the impression that you're an American troll.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:33pm
BTW: Leave Mr. Romey alone on my articles. Why don't YOU write an article to show your intellect ? He has written a lot here, and they have substance. If you want to take on someone, take on me. I'm in the mood for it - and I'm not anglophone. So you've got a head start.
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:35pm
So neither of you can respond to my suggestion. That suggests that your purpose here is not to offer reasoned discussion of issues. 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:37pm
Russian agents live pretty damn good.
 
I bet LOL. Wish I could speak Russian or Chinese. Actually, here in Europe, more and more people start learning Chinese (imagine their "alphabet"...) in the hope to make it there !
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:39pm
BTW: I'm sure some NSA guy doesn't sleep under a bridge ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:41pm
So neither of you can respond to my suggestion. That suggests that your purpose here is not to offer reasoned discussion of issues. 
 
Hm....well articulated, indeed. Then...what was your suggestion to which subject exactly and what was is founded on ?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:44pm
BTW: You're not clear. You hail the US but at the same time you damn Trump for "destroying" American values. These values have been destroyed long before Trump. Do you remember FDR's warning about the MIC ?
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:45pm
My suggestion was:
 
"Perhaps some of the more cynical commenters here can demonstrate their good faith with some constructive proposals."


What policy proposals can you offer? Would you like to see the USA reduce its military presence around the world? Reduce the size of its military forces? Refrain from shoving the prime minister of Montenegro out of the way? Refrain from praising thugs and dictators? Take a more multilateral approach to international relations? Do you have anything to offer other than bitching and moaning?
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:47pm
"Do you remember FDR's warning about the MIC ?"
 
That was Mr. Eisenhower.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:51pm
Chris:
 
Would you like to see the USA reduce its military presence around the world? Reduce the size of its military forces?
 
Yes.
 
Refrain from shoving the prime minister of Montenegro out of the way? Refrain from praising thugs and dictators?
 
Yes. Why ? Because it's none of your business what happens 10'000 miles from home.
 
Is that clear enough ? The US would NEVER allow any nation to meddle into its affairs on their continent. The US might think it is a wonderful construct. In reality it is not a nation but a pile of immigrants since 200 years - from EVERY continent. And that remark
 
Refrain from shoving the prime minister of Montenegro out of the way? Refrain from praising thugs and dictators?
 
shows that arrogance. You want to rule the world but look down on the rest of it. You start wars but don't accept refugees coming from those wars although you ARE a country of immigrants.
 
Want more ?
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:54pm
BTW: The US is a dictatorship. And the dictator is money.
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 12:58pm
OK, that's a good start, but you seem to think that I approve of all of the actions of America. In fact, I opposed the invasion of Iraq from the very beginning, I think that it was extremely rude for Mr. Trump to shove the prime minister of Montenegro out of his way, and I am appalled at Mr. Trump's embrace of thugs and dictators. We appear to be in agreement on those points. 
 
I disapprove of your feckless whining and moaning about how bad the USA is. Yes, the USA has done many evil things; what could it do better? For example, policy towards the Ukraine is a complicated business. The country is mired in the deepest corruption and is riven geographically. Russian actions make matters worse. What is the best course of action by Europe and the USA? We could discuss those difficulties at great length.
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:12pm
Chris
 
Yes, the USA has done many evil things; what could it do better? For example, policy towards the Ukraine is a complicated business.
 
You see, that's exactly the problem. Ukraine, Russia or any other country is independent and doesn't need US intervention in any way.
 
We here in Europe have Russia as a neighbor. And Russia was never an aggressor here, in fact, they fought Hitler's armies and had tremendous losses. The US is over the Atlantic.
 
What I say is: We Europeans should
 
a) quit NATO (cold war is over, another story....)
b) get an economic partnership with Russia
c) build our own defense force (DEFENSE....)
 
You guys can do the same with South America and Canada, and everyone can have a loose partnership with Asian nations.
 
But as long as the US behaves like the boss of the world with more than 700 military bases everywhere, no trust with other nations can be established. The US is not a partner anymore for us. It is a country which we fear.
 
You see, some in the US have that empire dream. Take the US$/oil binding vs. BRICS. The world is in movement, and no empire has ever lasted. Either the US gets back to reality and modesty, or it will destroy the planet, Be it by a war using nukes against Russia or China, or by imploding first (social unrest, inequality, race problems etc.) and THEN starting war as a destraction for the people at home (see Falkland/UK for that matter).
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:31pm
"And Russia was never an aggressor here, in fact, they fought Hitler's armies and had tremendous losses."
 
Well, you certainly have an unconventional perception of history. Perhaps you should refresh your understanding of the history of Eastern Europe in the postwar period. 
 
The USA in the immediate postwar period was unquestionably a force for the betterment of humanity. It fostered a multilateral system through the United Nations and a series of economic institutions. It spent a great deal of money helping Europe recover from the devastation of World War II. It provided defense security against Soviet expansionism. It's absolutely true that it screwed up on a number of occasions, such as Vietnam and its numerous invasions of small countries. But on balance, its positive contributions to world peace exceeded its injurious policies until this century. Under the second President Bush, the USA greatly harmed the global peace, and although Mr. Obama managed to hinder the downward spiral, Mr. Trump has greatly accelerated the deterioration of the American contribution to humanity. 
 
You have a somewhat simplistic view of international relations. I suggest that the first adage for you to embrace, and keep repeating to yourself, is this: "It's always more complicated than you think."
Stone-Eater Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:44pm
The USA in the immediate postwar period was unquestionably a force for the betterment of humanity.
 
The Marshall plan (WWII) boosted US economy. And Prescott Bush and others were admirers of Hitler. Nazis Wernher von Braun and Oppenheimer made their career in the US. Remember Halliburton and Cheney ? Flatten a country and then get the contract to rebuild it.
 
You have a somewhat simplistic view of international relations. I suggest that the first adage for you to embrace, and keep repeating to yourself, is this: "It's always more complicated than you think."
 
I don't know how old you are but you certainly have a higher opinion of yourself as is realistic. Have fun here but that's it from my side.
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 1:54pm
Um, Mr. Oppenheimer was most certainly NOT a Nazi. Perhaps you are thinking of something else. 
 
In any event, you certainly seem to have some very odd beliefs. 
George N Romey Added Dec 30, 2017 - 2:07pm
SEF American business played both sides until 1943. When called to account for their actions in 1946 they played their best Sergeant Schultz routine.
Edward Miessner Added Dec 30, 2017 - 3:22pm
SEF, "the "American dream" (did it exist ? I doubt it...for the majority"
 
Actually it did work for the majority from 1945 until about 1973. A factory worker---a FACTORY worker!---was able to support a stay-at-home wife and more than two kids while owning a house in a decent neighborhood. Affluent wags called them the "booboisie" but back then the majority certainly had it good. Nowadays? Not so much; and the cause is not just neoconservatism but also neoliberalism that became in vogue when Reagan and Thatcher came into office in the US and the UK.
Chris Crawford Added Dec 30, 2017 - 3:34pm
Yes, the Gini Index for the USA bottomed out during the period you describe. It started to rise again with Mr. Reagan's presidency and has continued to rise to levels more commonly associated with kleptocracies than developed nations. 
Edward Miessner Added Dec 30, 2017 - 3:47pm
Chris,
 
From what I remember reading, you are exactly right! And the the GOP in Congress has demonstrated that the US is basically a kleptocracy now and in its decadence, which according to James Traub, is the last stage before collapse
George N Romey Added Dec 30, 2017 - 3:49pm
Edward the American Dream worked for the first 30 years because the lessons of the Depression were still in the American psyche. Moreover policy was driven towards full employment, wage growth and social mobility.
 
By 1970 the Middle Class represented about 75% of Americans and was its most prosperous in history. Rather than being elated by a soaring Middle Class the corporate and financial elites saw it as a threat to their financial well being. Neoliberalism started with RR and has been followed by both parties since then. Prior to the 70s business had been apolitical for the most part. Then the 80s saw the rise of lobbyists and PACs.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Dec 30, 2017 - 10:13pm
The USA in the immediate postwar period was unquestionably a force for the betterment of humanity.
 
Rah rah ra sis boom bah go team go we're number one USA USA USA!!
 
 It fostered a multilateral system through the United Nations
 
And then rigged the game with the so-called Security Council.
 
and a series of economic institutions
 
To ensure USD hegemony. More game rigging. 
 
It spent a great deal of money helping
 
Change spent to Lended or Lent.
 
Even if all your assertions were true then how did DUHfuckingmerica become the existential threat to the planet it is now? 
 
although Mr. Obama managed to hinder the downward spiral
 
Your glorious leader Barry loved drones and their use multiplied geometrically under his reign from even their massive abuse by the nut before him. 
 
Off you go now, mind the gap between Train and platform, Bye. Have a great day. C-YA!
 
Stone-Eater Added Dec 31, 2017 - 5:10am
Edward
 
 neoliberalism that became in vogue when Reagan and Thatcher came into office in the US and the UK
 
Yep. True.
Michael B. Added Dec 31, 2017 - 9:22am
Uh-huh...I'm going to close out the new year and be nice. Have a Happy New Year, you communist Russophiles! LOL
Stone-Eater Added Dec 31, 2017 - 11:06am
Michael
 
Thanks, for you too, you goddamn USophile LOL
A. Jones Added Jan 1, 2018 - 11:28am
It's a matter of comparison.
 
Most Americans look at Africa and see nothing but grinding poverty (always with its hand out to the west demanding aid), constant corruption at all levels of government, low-tech-low-productivity, racial intolerance based on minute differences in melanin concentration, religious intolerance based on minute differences in dogma, discrimination against women, and lots of massacres with machetes.
 
Aside from that, it's a great place to live, and I do have to admit that the Sahara is very beautiful.
Edward Miessner Added Jan 3, 2018 - 2:55pm
George,
 
"Rather than being elated by a soaring Middle Class the corporate and financial elites saw it as a threat to their financial well being."
 
Spot on. And the saw it as such as far back as 1968, if not further. Have you ever read The Powell Memorandum? It dates from that year. And at least some Republicans were always trying to revoke the New Deal down to its last remnants.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 5, 2018 - 6:00pm
A. Jones
 
Good comment. Quite ironic. But there are good places to live seen the size of 11,677,239 square miles :-)

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